1.5mil plus i was told, not sure if the fella from Northern was trying to steer me away as it would impact speers point.Originally Posted by ForeverRed
1.5mil plus i was told, not sure if the fella from Northern was trying to steer me away as it would impact speers point.
I?ve done some checking, for an established ground anywhere between $300.000 & $600.000
Football NSW synthetic field guideline says $1.7m. You can probably take $300k off that for the fencing, lighting and equipment costs they have included, if you think you can use what you?ve already got. Oh yeah, and that guideline was published 2017, so you can add to that the sh!# ton of increase in construction costs since then. You wouldn?t get change from $1.5-2.0m. I haven?t look at the report in detail, but ForeverRed maybe you could have a look and add it to the things that you have checked. https://footballfacilities.com.au/wp...ds-v2-2017.pdf
You are a mill out Red
I can only go off what I read, it states an established ground, lighting, drainage etc can be done for $600 g
One or two grounds won?t do much more good, better off spending the money on drainage, cheaper and more likely to have benefit to the whole community then a white elephant fenced off to a select few. Harry Edwards used to be one of the worst pitches for wet weather, but played games all yesterday as far as I know. The other problem is that a lot of our grounds are built on floodplains, look at Federal Park, Walker Field, Cardiff etc. so it?s very common for them to flood.
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So all Cardiff would have to do is cut back the funding on a few of those mercenary signings, find a few blokes happy just to play for the badge and you could potentially have your very own all weather playing surface. Performances might improve on the pitch as well
great idea, so if i halve the mega dollars being paid, in 600 years we will have the cash to do a synthetic pitch.So all Cardiff would have to do is cut back the funding on a few of those mercenary signings, find a few blokes happy just to play for the badge and you could potentially have your very own all weather playing surface. Performances might improve on the pitch as well
Just doing some quick calculations.
Based on LMRFF advertised costings for Fast5s comp - I assume this is the best money maker.
To play $90 per team ($180), for 20 minute halves (45minutes) means it makes $240 an hour for a pitch. LMRFF have 12 pitches (no idea on their usage) but let’s say 8 of them get used to be generous. That’s roughly $2000 an hour. For say let’s start at 5pm until 10pm (5 hours). Making $10,000 a night.
Would be nice to have 5 nights a week covered - 50K a week. Let’s say we operate it 40 weeks of the year - that will bring in $2 million dollars.
As for the full size pitches - let’s just assume there’s maybe 2 matches able to be played each night on each of the 2 fields.
$340 for one field x 2 =$680.00 x 2 games = $3360 a night. Again let’s assume we do this Monday -Friday - $17000 a week. We assume this is only during season of say 20 weeks to account for all levels. Is $340,000 a season for weekday evenings.
Let’s say we can play 5 games per pitch, per day over the weekend. $3,340 a weekend. For 20 weeks - 68,000.
All up to about $400,000 if you’re getting games on all the time.
Anyway. How does one invest in Fast5s?
Also take into account all the jets youth and development teams that use the big pitches from 7am each day.
I am amazed they haven?t put another lot of synthetic pitches in the Maitland area. I would think the Tarro fields would be a good venue. Only needs to be 5 training fields and 2 full size pitches.
Yehp, I think I confused myself with trying to figure out how much LMRFF make and how it could be viable for clubs/associations to invest in their own.
I think the ability to play the fast 5s would be the biggest contributing factor to the viability of such a project.
Or the operation of a ‘summer comp’ can help cover the costs of community clubs using the facilities during the winter.
We already have a facility for the “elite”. If clubs do go ahead with artificial, I think it needs to have community clubs/teams in mind.
I’m not sure there’s a model that satisfies everyone.
Whoever funds it will want to recover their outlay and that will lead to funded clubs/teams utilising it more than community teams. But it’s a step in the right direction.
2023 total revenue for the Speers Pt facility was approx $1.9m that included all pitch use and cafe.
Great investment. You can get your money back in 1 year. Profit from there onwards
There are many many many more things you can do with a parcel of land that size that generate more that $2m revenue thats for sure.I would be shocked if its making much profit at all.The financials are out there somewhere I cant remember if the insurance cost for the venue was separate from the rest of the organisation but if it hasnt increased at least 25% since then I would be shocked.They do re-lay the pitches more often than I thought as well.The on cost of needing to do that would probably deter local clubs from going to synthetic.
As said before after speaking with Northern and Lake Mac they both pushed us away from even contemplating it.
Northern maybe because it would/could be in opposition.
Lake Mac don't want the cost of maintenance as it's their land.
Interesting.
I think for it to be in all stakeholders interest it would need to be association and Local council.
Eg. If say Edgeworth NPL decided to put in an artificial pitch - it ain’t benefiting anybody but them. They would utilise it 75% of the time. And leasing it out occasionally would give them very little revenue - making it solely an investment for their club.
It would need to be say a joint initiative. Eg. Lambton Jaffas could liaise with council to develop wallarah and blackley oval to have up to 3 pitches (rough size based on nearby Arthur Edden pitch size). Then up to Northern or Newcastle football to chip in. Eg if Northern chip in, it could benefit northern operated teams/competitions and wet weather postponements. Or Newcastle football - who could use it to benefit community football/zone league
For viability and revenue purposes I think it needs to have fast5 capability or similar non trademarked equivalent. One field is equivalent to 10 - fast 5 size pitches - so you could have a very similar set up to LMRFF. 2 pitches and 10 Fast 5s. Over winter - utilise the fast 5 pitches for grassroots/junior washouts. And over summer - run 2 x 12-15 week competitions.
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Would need to be private land Newcastle and Lac Mac Councils are against putting in synthetic on their fields.
Just for reference costwise: the redevelopment of Harold Knight at Gateshead (pitch, sheds, supporting infrastructure, the lot) is $4.5m.
Newcastle council isn't. They are looking at converting one as a test to see how it goes, how to manage the condition and access etc
Do you know which club will be playing out of that new facility?It looks great so far.
I know you are using Wallarah as an example but I think council have made it clear they wont be taking community fields and cutting off access to them.Wallarah/Blackley service cricket as well as the high school.Id say synthetic would only be an option at a club that is fenced off so it was used just for football (like Edden or Magic park). this would then limit alternative uses for it and take away any potential revenue.The only realistic option of Newcastle ever having a Speers Point type facility would be in the redevelopment of the trotting track/showground/council depot areas.And even then football is going to have to have its shit together to have any chance of getting a spot.
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