2017/18 Squad Thread

[MFKS]

FFS You ****s

We have a thread for goalkeeping debate

Use it

[plague]

Like all players, he needs to keep improving and play well to get a spot.


Yep, that's exactly how it works at the Jets.


Exactly.

[Grimario]

How is he punished? If he is the best keeper he will get the gig.
Like all players, he needs to keep improving and play well to get a spot. Having an ordinary 2nd keeper is a terrible thing, puts no pressure on to keep form.
Having 2 keepers worthy of playing 1st team football is very healthy for the team.

Also i think Mullen might have something to say about Duncan being the only one "punished"

Not to mention Hoff/Vujica/Cowburn who won't be playing left back anytime soon either.


And playing favourite's isn't a new thing. Mullen was terrible at right back but kept getting picked as coaches favourite. Moss is clearly a Merrick favourite.

[plague]

FFS You ****s

We have a thread for goalkeeping debate

Use it

I'm still sifting through redtube videos to see who sets a better wall and their respective diving ability.

You can't just waltz into that thunder dome without your info all on point.

[RAM]

Moss is a good addition.

Duncan and him will provide each other with good competition. Nice to see us sign a genuine no.1 for once. Puts pressure on Duncan, and Duncan's incumbency puts pressure on Moss.

[steve136]

Ffs some of you people...

Complain all year that Jones couldn't succeed because he didn't build his own squad, then complain when Merrick brings in one of his own guys :yawn:

[GazFish35]

Gotta love the foz... complain for years about our goal keeping ranks, we finally have two good, starting goal keepers on our books and there are people unhappy about it because the keeper who was a part of our leaky defence might struggle to get a 1st team run.

this.

[MFKS]

I'm still sifting through redtube videos to see who sets a better wall and their respective diving ability.

You can't just waltz into that thunder dome without your info all on point.

RedTube???

Make sure you using a VPN if on work equipment buddy

[plague]

Who the hell has been 'complaining about our keepers for years'?

The debate was always about the better of 2 decent keepers.

Duncan was pretty much blame free on the foz for last year.

Now we've got 2 decent ones again and the debate is going to be between them.

[plague]

RedTube???

Make sure you using a VPN if on work equipment buddy

I own the company.

[MFKS]

Ffs some of you people...

Complain all year that Jones couldn't succeed because he didn't build his own squad, then complain when Merrick brings in one of his own guys :yawn:

I think that was me

And I ain't complaining about Moss signing except for the fact we use to find ways of putting it past him regardless of how shit we were

Other than that he ain't bothering me

[MFKS]

I own the company.

RedTube??

Well sponsor the Jets then

[Jeterpool]

I also think it's a very good signing. It increases the overall quality in the squad.

[The Dunster]

We have serious problems if anyone thinks Duncan is a walking startup.

Great signing.

We have serious problems if we think Moss is a starting Keeper. He's well known to have extended runs of poor form and I don't see it changing with a move to the Jets.
I can see this getting ugly if Duncan feels the clubs playing favourites with Moss. Unless Moss is just looking for a holiday - then he's chosen the right club.

[borat]

Gotta love the foz... complain for years about our goal keeping ranks, we finally have two good, starting goal keepers on our books and there are people unhappy about it because the keeper who was a part of our leaky defence might struggle to get a 1st team run.

Didn't realise I needed study past armchair opinion from keeping threads/abominations before casting a view on a new signing. Possibly I should have clarified the number of f*cks given first.

I am sure changing the keeper from the last placed team with the 7th placed team keeper is going to solve all.

[borat]

We have serious problems if we think Moss is a starting Keeper. He's well known to have extended runs of poor form and I don't see it changing with a move to the Jets.
I can see this getting ugly if Duncan feels the clubs playing favourites with Moss. Unless Moss is just looking for a holiday - then he's chosen the right club.

This.....and then some.

The foz brains trust fapping away at signing a keeper well past his use by.
He was honking last season and no other club would sign him..........and here come the Jets.

But keeper was that big pressing issue that needed fixing

[Bon]

RedTube??

Well sponsor the Jets then

Probably should, we pay to watch our team get fvcked pretty hard every week..

[Wilso8948]

I do have to laugh at the irony of Merrick telling everyone he loves to build teams up from attacking players to defensive ones and then racing out and signing a GK the following week.

[plague]

RedTube??

Well sponsor the Jets then

Jets are used to ****ing everything so could be a match made in heaven.

[plague]

Aaaahhhh gosh darn it Bon got in first.

Well in sir.

[Grimario]

I do have to laugh at the irony of Merrick telling everyone he loves to build teams up from attacking players to defensive ones and then racing out and signing a GK the following week.

Well, we need a GK... and he has history with this bloke. There are also a bunch of other clubs needing GK's, some of them offering guaranteed starting roles so why wouldn't he use his history to get it done ASAP?

[Grimario]

Probably should, we pay to watch our team get fvcked pretty hard every week..

RedTube is free, mate.


So I've heard.

[borat]

I do have to laugh at the irony of Merrick telling everyone he loves to build teams up from attacking players to defensive ones and then racing out and signing a GK the following week.
Certainly seems like the first job was to take care of one of the boys. Vince Lia nailed on as next signing. #Nixreveloution

[Jeterpool]

Others available within the league are, off the top of my head, Galekovic, Bray, Sorenson, Reddy, Kennedy, Arcaba, Italiano. Out of interest to everyone, who would you have looked to sign? I thought Cisak myself.

The keeper situation did need attention. We needed a second keeper. Signing Kennedy or Arcaba would have resulted in comments of "signing same dross as last year". Signing Bray or Italiano would have drawn "While cheap it isn't going to put pressure on Duncan". Instead we've gone with the comments we'd have got for Moss, Galekovic or Reddy that we are seeing now.

When the whole recruitment picture becomes clearer later this year, then we will know whether it's a good pick up or not.

There's a lot of unknowns - how much Moss is getting paid (which may sway people's views one way or another) and how much remains available to recruit players.

[leftrightout]

Others available are, off the top of my head, Galekovic, Bray, Sorenson, Reddy, Kennedy, Arcaba, Italiano. Out of interest to everyone, who would you have looked to sign?

The keeper situation did need attention. We needed a second keeper. Signing Kennedy or Arcaba would have resulted in comments of "signing same dross as last year". Signing Bray or Italiano would have drawn "While cheap it isn't going to put pressure on Duncan". Instead we've gone with the comments we'd have got for Moss, Galekovic or Reddy that we are seeing now.

When the whole recruitment picture becomes clearer later this year, then we will know whether it's a good pick up or not.

There's a lot of unknowns - how much Moss is getting paid (which may sway people's views one way or another) and how much remains available to recruit players.

I thought it was a good signing and then read this and now i think its an even better one!

[borat]

Others available are, off the top of my head, Galekovic, Bray, Sorenson, Reddy, Kennedy, Arcaba, Italiano. Out of interest to everyone, who would you have looked to sign?

The keeper situation did need attention. We needed a second keeper. Signing Kennedy or Arcaba would have resulted in comments of "signing same dross as last year". Signing Bray or Italiano would have drawn "While cheap it isn't going to put pressure on Duncan". Instead we've gone with the comments we'd have got for Moss, Galekovic or Reddy that we are seeing now.

When the whole recruitment picture becomes clearer later this year, then we will know whether it's a good pick up or not.

There's a lot of unknowns - how much Moss is getting paid (which may sway people's views one way or another) and how much remains available to recruit players.

I would have signed Arcaba. He provides good competition without wasting salary cap $$$ on a bench warmer (be it Duncan or Moss). Only the clubs in the ACL need 2 out right #1's imo.

In all likelihood we are spending a lot more on Moss than Kennedy in the salary cap, without any of the loyalty allowance. That's less to spend in the midfield/CB where we need it most.

In saying that

Its likely Ernie just doesn't rate Duncan. He may have seen weaknesses and targeted him in the past, and figures it's worth spending the money there. So has gone out and signed another #1. And as new manager he has every right and makes sense to go with a keeper he trusts.

I personally don't agree and certainly don't buy the argument that this has anything to do with competition or Duncan is the incumbent.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Anyone thought about a Dura return? Would we take him?

[borat]

Anyone thought about a Dura return? Would we take him?

Wow.......did you watch him play this year?

The only way I would sign Dura is if we also gained access to the hot tub time machine.

[Jeterpool]

I would have signed Arcaba. He provides good competition without wasting salary cap $$$ on a bench warmer (be it Duncan or Moss). Only the clubs in the ACL need 2 out right #1's imo.

In all likelihood we are spending a lot more on Moss than Kennedy in the salary cap, without any of the loyalty allowance. That's less to spend in the midfield/CB where we need it most.

In saying that

Its likely Ernie just doesn't rate Duncan. He may have seen weaknesses and targeted him in the past, and figures it's worth spending the money there. So has gone out and signed another #1. And as new manager he has every right and makes sense to go with a keeper he trusts.

I personally don't agree and certainly don't buy the argument that this has anything to do with competition or Duncan is the incumbent.

Can see your point :thumbsup:

[Jetmaster]

Why do we keep PC protecting these kids?

If he wants to be a top keeper Duncan needs to experience a bit of pain - if he hasn't got the stomach to fight for his position, and win over the new coach, off you go son.

Remember Craig Johnston being told he was shit by Jack Charlton - went out and trained and proved him wrong.

Give BK his due....there was a stage where everybody in Newy hated him and he fought on and on.

You need two keepers. What if Duncan snapped an ACL in preseason?

Some are never happy on this foz....

http://ceticismo.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/hardy-har-har.jpg

[lquiquer]

Others available within the league are, off the top of my head, Galekovic, Bray, Sorenson, Reddy, Kennedy, Arcaba, Italiano. Out of interest to everyone, who would you have looked to sign? I thought Cisak myself.

The keeper situation did need attention. We needed a second keeper. Signing Kennedy or Arcaba would have resulted in comments of "signing same dross as last year". Signing Bray or Italiano would have drawn "While cheap it isn't going to put pressure on Duncan". Instead we've gone with the comments we'd have got for Moss, Galekovic or Reddy that we are seeing now.

When the whole recruitment picture becomes clearer later this year, then we will know whether it's a good pick up or not.

There's a lot of unknowns - how much Moss is getting paid (which may sway people's views one way or another) and how much remains available to recruit players.

Out of that lot I would have kept Arcaba

[MFKS]

I would have signed Arcaba. He provides good competition without wasting salary cap $$$ on a bench warmer (be it Duncan or Moss). Only the clubs in the ACL need 2 out right #1's imo.

In all likelihood we are spending a lot more on Moss than Kennedy in the salary cap, without any of the loyalty allowance. That's less to spend in the midfield/CB where we need it most.

In saying that

Its likely Ernie just doesn't rate Duncan. He may have seen weaknesses and targeted him in the past, and figures it's worth spending the money there. So has gone out and signed another #1. And as new manager he has every right and makes sense to go with a keeper he trusts.

I personally don't agree and certainly don't buy the argument that this has anything to do with competition or Duncan is the incumbent.

Ok if old mate Moss is being signed as Merrick dont want Duncan as No1 as he dont rate him or whatever negative view Merrick may have on Duncan then it aint a signing that says one is no 1 and the other no 2

If Eugene arrived then i would say we had signed him as No 1 or if we signed Vukoshit we had signed a No 1

Moss on the other hand aint a certain no 1. To me the battle is on and both candidates are just as much in the mix for the gigI

It like Bert Merrick has decided to bring someone of equalish ability for Duncan to compete for the role

Smart move getting both the keepers on their toes

[white city]

It like Bert Merrick has decided to bring someone of equalish ability for Duncan to compete for the role

Smart move getting both the keepers on their toes[/QUOTE]

Member i agree with you here, not only is he competition for Duncan he is also a professional with many years experience which is the influence we need in our club strong professional characters who know what it means to work hard to achieve your results.

first class signing as Merrick described a first class character. if these are the type of professionals we will be signing then there is already an improvement. good job Merrick!

[borat]

Ok if old mate Moss is being signed as Merrick dont want Duncan as No1 as he dont rate him or whatever negative view Merrick may have on Duncan then it aint a signing that says one is no 1 and the other no 2

If Eugene arrived then i would say we had signed him as No 1 or if we signed Vukoshit we had signed a No 1

Moss on the other hand aint a certain no 1. To me the battle is on and both candidates are just as much in the mix for the gigI

It like Bert Merrick has decided to bring someone of equalish ability for Duncan to compete for the role

Smart move getting both the keepers on their toes

For any other coach I would agree. Not for Merrick. You can put your house on Moss starting in goal.

Moss has no reason to move and risk his NZ team spot otherwise.

[Mark325]

For any other coach I would agree. Not for Merrick. You can put your house on Moss starting in goal.

Moss has no reason to move and risk his NZ team spot otherwise.

We don't know though if big mate at Phoenix let Moss know he had no intentions of him being a first team player, so Moss decided to come here with a coach he knows and with a chance at some first team football again

[parksey]

Gotta love the foz... complain for years about our goal keeping ranks, we finally have two good, starting goal keepers on our books and there are people unhappy about it because the keeper who was a part of our leaky defence might struggle to get a 1st team run.

Yeah this.

[parksey]

I would have signed Arcaba. He provides good competition without wasting salary cap $$$ on a bench warmer (be it Duncan or Moss). Only the clubs in the ACL need 2 out right #1's imo.

In all likelihood we are spending a lot more on Moss than Kennedy in the salary cap, without any of the loyalty allowance. That's less to spend in the midfield/CB where we need it most.

In saying that

Its likely Ernie just doesn't rate Duncan. He may have seen weaknesses and targeted him in the past, and figures it's worth spending the money there. So has gone out and signed another #1. And as new manager he has every right and makes sense to go with a keeper he trusts.

I personally don't agree and certainly don't buy the argument that this has anything to do with competition or Duncan is the incumbent.

Yeah we should have re-signed Arcaba, the man who's pushing 30, has played only one game in the league and when he did he nearly conceded every time he had the ball at his feet.

Good way to get the new era off and running.

[MFKS]

Yeah we should have re-signed Arcaba, the man who's pushing 30, has played only one game in the league and when he did he nearly conceded every time he had the ball at his feet.

Good way to get the new era off and running.

Do you actually watch the games

He played v Gypos where he seemed to think he had all day with the ball but luckily didn't get punished for it

He then played against Roar when Hoffman got sent. Bloke was easily our best player that night and showed he had the ability to play at this level.

So what exactly what games do you watch??

[parksey]

Do you actually watch the games

He played v Gypos where he seemed to think he had all day with the ball but luckily didn't get punished for it

He then played against Roar when Hoffman got sent. Bloke was easily our best player that night and showed he had the ability to play at this level.

So what exactly what games do you watch??

Alright, sorry.

He's played two games, and should have been anywhere near the team sheet after the first.

[Frodo]

Arcaba isn't HAL standard. He knows it as well.

Moss is exactly what we need. Will start until Duncan improves his weaknesses and takes the next step. Duncan will be better for it and so will we as a club.

[turbojetfireV8]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4661697/keeper-glen-moss-joins-jets-photos-poll/?cs=3398


"... so changing environments and moving to a Club that will not accept anything less than top results and playing finals football next year is something that has got me naturally excited.”

So just how did Bert get him to sign without him even realising who we are?? :roflz:

[MFKS]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4661697/keeper-glen-moss-joins-jets-photos-poll/?cs=3398



So just how did Bert get him to sign without him even realising who we are?? :roflz:

Hopefully it means the Chinese Lightsalesman has threatened executions for all those involved in case of another failure.

We can only hope they actually have some heart and play with the passion required

[leftrightout]

Only the clubs in the ACL need 2 out right #1's imo.

I disagree with this, how is Duncan ever going to perform his best if he never feels like he has to? He can turn up each week and play 90 minutes regardless of how his form is because there is no one else. Will you really see him work hard and improve? he has no reason to!

Also what if he goes down with an ACL injury on a Thursday training session with a game on the Saturday coming up?

There should be more than 1 quality player capable of playing each position in the starting 11 and goal keeper shouldn't be an exception.

[plague]

I disagree with this, how is Duncan ever going to perform his best if he never feels like he has to? He can turn up each week and play 90 minutes regardless of how his form is because there is no one else. Will you really see him work hard and improve?

I guess that backup striker at Barca is the reason Messi is as good as he is.
What's his name again I can't remember.

Maybe as a paid professional footballer Duncan takes great pride in his preparation and performance.
You seem make a lot of negative assumptions about a the bloke.

Not everyone wants to coast through life.

Maybe Duncan works his ass off at training and has the best attitude of any player in the whole squad.

and fwiw I know people on here see it as 'whingeing' but I agree that the signing of Moss is a good thing but also 'hope' we haven't committed too much cap space etc.

These are legitimate questions, not whinges.

[Wilso8948]

I guess that backup striker at Barca is the reason Messi is as good as he is.
What's his name again I can't remember.

Maybe as a paid professional footballer Duncan takes great pride in his preparation and performance.
You seem make a lot of negative assumptions about a the bloke.

Not everyone wants to coast through life.

Maybe Duncan works his ass off at training and has the best attitude of any player in the whole squad.

and fwiw I know people on here see it as 'whingeing' but I agree that the signing of Moss is a good thing but also 'hope' we haven't committed too much cap space etc.

These are legitimate questions, not whinges.

I rather you talking shit than talking so much sense like this post. It's more entertaining.

[Frodo]

I guess that backup striker at Barca is the reason Messi is as good as he is.
What's his name again I can't remember.

Maybe as a paid professional footballer Duncan takes great pride in his preparation and performance.
You seem make a lot of negative assumptions about a the bloke.

Not everyone wants to coast through life.

Maybe Duncan works his ass off at training and has the best attitude of any player in the whole squad.

and fwiw I know people on here see it as 'whingeing' but I agree that the signing of Moss is a good thing but also 'hope' we haven't committed too much cap space etc.

These are legitimate questions, not whinges.

Paco Alcacer. Spanish International Striker was coveted by many teams after scoring goals for a rubbish Valencia Team. Cost 30 Million Euros.

He still scored 7 goals this year as well.

What was your point on this again? Backups are a waste of money. Idiotic.

[plague]

What was your point on this again? Backups are a waste of money. Idiotic.

Well my bigger point is that I wished people read the posts before responding.

But obviously I've got to aim a little lower.

[The Dunster]

So if you have two keepers of equal ability and they both do equally well at training who do you give the nod come game day ? This is where the shit starts because one player will know that even if they do as well as the other at training or sometimes better - they still won't get picked to play.

This is the problem. There's way more politics when it comes to selections than many here seem to realise. Coaches doing deals with player managers or a common associate are not unusual.

[leftrightout]

You seem make a lot of negative assumptions about a the bloke.

He did play in goals for the team with the worst defence in the league. A lot of people here make negative assumptions of all of our back line, why does Duncan get a free pass from that?

[MFKS]

He did play in goals for the team with the worst defence in the league. A lot of people here make negative assumptions of all of our back line, why does Duncan get a free pass from that?

Because by and large he wasn't the bloke responsible that often for glaring **** ups.

2 times he ****ed up dramatically.

His form was sufficient enough he kept us getting raped by more

Nearly all weeks he was in our top 3 performance wise

As has been mentioned before goalkeeper is least of our problems

Most seasons he our star player and if not he close too it

[leftrightout]

Because by and large he wasn't the bloke responsible that often for glaring **** ups.

2 times he ****ed up dramatically.

His form was sufficient enough he kept us getting raped by more

Nearly all weeks he was in our top 3 performance wise

As has been mentioned before goalkeeper is least of our problems

Most seasons he our star player and if not he close too it

I thought accepting "sufficient enough" form was one of your biggest problems with our fans?

[plague]

He did play in goals for the team with the worst defence in the league. A lot of people here make negative assumptions of all of our back line, why does Duncan get a free pass from that?

Where does Duncan get a free pass?

Biraz was behind a terrible backline too and we all loved him and gave him player of the year didn't we?

If anything his attitude was the one that needed questioning but it sure didn't hurt his ability on the pitch. Bloke was great imo.


I think Duncan is a good enough keeper.
I think Moss is a good enough keeper.


Not entirely sure what else you want from me on this one.

[MFKS]

I thought accepting "sufficient enough" form was one of your biggest problems with our fans?

?? I not have any issue with Duncan last season
IMHO he our best player

The 10 failures in front of him though on my hit list

Seeing as you want to bag him then please explain how Duncan a contributing issue in our poor form last season from your perspective ??

Enlighten us all

[borat]

I guess that backup striker at Barca is the reason Messi is as good as he is.
What's his name again I can't remember.

Maybe as a paid professional footballer Duncan takes great pride in his preparation and performance.
You seem make a lot of negative assumptions about a the bloke.

Not everyone wants to coast through life.

Maybe Duncan works his ass off at training and has the best attitude of any player in the whole squad.

and fwiw I know people on here see it as 'whingeing' but I agree that the signing of Moss is a good thing but also 'hope' we haven't committed too much cap space etc.

These are legitimate questions, not whinges.

This

And Barca don't have the problem of signing a decent midfield and defence to replace the dross they have, all within a salary cap.

FFS we came stone motherless last and our number 1 signing priority is a 2nd keeper. It's like upgrading the windows in your house while it's burning to the ground.

The club should be signing the best 2nd keeper they can, providing they are on min wage, young and can be developed. Not wasting money on keepers well past their prime.

[Couscous]

Aside from Roar and City, do any other clubs have two No.1s?

[plague]

FFS we came stone motherless last and our number 1 signing priority is a 2nd keeper.

I think there's a difference between our 'number 1 priority' and the first bloke we sign.

If Moss was a value signing (and age 34 isn't past his prime for a keeper is it) then that's good business.
Merrick has stated a #10 is his priority.

Happy to let that one play out.

[The Camel]

This

And Barca don't have the problem of signing a decent midfield and defence to replace the dross they have, all within a salary cap.

FFS we came stone motherless last and our number 1 signing priority is a 2nd keeper. It's like upgrading the windows in your house while it's burning to the ground.

The club should be signing the best 2nd keeper they can, providing they are on min wage, young and can be developed. Not wasting money on keepers well past their prime.

Who said it was the No. 1 signing priority? It may just have been the easiest one to get completed. We needed a Keeper, one was available that wanted to come that the coach has worked with before and does not have to do due diligence on with regards to personality type, how well he trains, performance etc. we signed him. End of story.

I think it is a good thing that we have signed an experienced professional to work alongside a young keeper in Duncan. Merrick has described Moss as a model professional, how is it a bad thing that Duncan spends 12 months learning how to better prepare himself? We have not signed Moss long term, what is the point of signing another young keeper to sit on the bench that will not develop as he won't play. I would rather be in a position that either Moss is starting and teaching Duncan skills on how to train and prepare, or Duncan starts and if he gets injured we have a hugely experienced guy who can step straight in and it won't all be a massive shock to him.

[The Camel]

Not to mention that the club is finally rid of the stench of Ben Kennedy. This is a joyous occasion

[pv4]

Moss is a comfort signing for Merrick and I'm all for giving the manager some comfort at a new club where he wasn't allowed to overhaul the coaching staff (like others we were negotiating with wanted).

Graham Arnold has made comfort signings at every club he has gone to, and it's always worked out well for him.

Let Merrick have his men. If he fails, it's more of a reason for him not to do a Mark Jones and claim it wasn't his (shit) squad. If he doesn't fail, we can say surrounding himself with these types of blokes is one of the reasons why.

[Jeterpool]

I think there's a difference between our 'number 1 priority' and the first bloke we sign.

If Moss was a value signing (and age 34 isn't past his prime for a keeper is it) then that's good business.
Merrick has stated a #10 is his priority.

Happy to let that one play out.

Agree. We're starting to paint the picture. I'll wait until it is finished before I judge

[Jeterpool]

Not to mention that the club is finally rid of the stench of Ben Kennedy.

Along with about 64% of the material for the Foz in the process

[pv4]

Do you actually watch the games

He played v Gypos where he seemed to think he had all day with the ball but luckily didn't get punished for it

He then played against Roar when Hoffman got sent. Bloke was easily our best player that night and showed he had the ability to play at this level.

So what exactly what games do you watch??

Wait, so you are saying porksey was wrong? :oops:

[MFKS]

Moss is a comfort signing for Merrick and I'm all for giving the manager some comfort at a new club where he wasn't allowed to overhaul the coaching staff (like others we were negotiating with wanted).

Graham Arnold has made comfort signings at every club he has gone to, and it's always worked out well for him.

Let Merrick have his men. If he fails, it's more of a reason for him not to do a Mark Jones and claim it wasn't his (shit) squad. If he doesn't fail, we can say surrounding himself with these types of blokes is one of the reasons why.

If Merrick failed it won't be down to signing blokes like Moss

Bert is going to fail because of the systematic problems that have crippled our club

It is his job to address and rectify them

It ain't going to happen over night

Bert can be measured where we are in 2 years time not now not in 6 months not in 12 months

Where we are in 2 years time

Because making the playoffs isn't his job. It to un**** the cluster **** this club is and get us in a position to succeed

[MFKS]

Along with about 64% of the material for the Foz in the process
The day Kanta puts pen to paper it just a sideways shift

If Raheem comes back he can also get a piece of the action

[leftrightout]

?? I not have any issue with Duncan last season
IMHO he our best player

The 10 failures in front of him though on my hit list

Seeing as you want to bag him then please explain how Duncan a contributing issue in our poor form last season from your perspective ??

Enlighten us all

I don't want to bag Duncan, i think he is an alright goal keeper. But i think anyone who thinks he should be our number 1 keeper outright is not aiming high enough.
I am also not saying Moss is significantly better, i just think having two keepers to push each other is a good thing. It was someone else who said that Duncan was being punished by signing Moss. I disagree i think it can only be a good thing for the club and now "sufficient form" or best of a bad bunch, shouldn't be good enough from either keeper.

[MFKS]

I don't want to bag Duncan, i think he is an alright goal keeper. But i think anyone who thinks he should be our number 1 keeper outright is not aiming high enough.
I am also not saying Moss is significantly better, i just think having two keepers to push each other is a good thing. It was someone else who said that Duncan was being punished by signing Moss. I disagree i think it can only be a good thing for the club and now "sufficient form" or best of a bad bunch, shouldn't be good enough from either keeper.

Well then I suppose we both on the same page.
I think the signing is good as it should keep Duncan honest and help his development if he retains the No1 over Moss

I also assume we haven't spent big signing him and Bert is keeping funds for the areas that needs improvement Central Midfield for a start

[Roundball Enthusiast]

If Merrick failed it won't be down to signing blokes like Moss

Bert is going to fail because of the systematic problems that have crippled our club

It is his job to address and rectify them

It ain't going to happen over night

Bert can be measured where we are in 2 years time not now not in 6 months not in 12 months

Where we are in 2 years time

Because making the playoffs isn't his job. It to un**** the cluster **** this club is and get us in a position to succeed


I'm pretty sure the job of making the finals/winning shit is the Managers Job.

"It to un**** the cluster **** this club is and get us in a position to succeed" - is the job of the CEO...

Just FYI.

[MFKS]

I'm pretty sure the job of making the finals/winning shit is the Managers Job.

"It to un**** the cluster **** this club is and get us in a position to succeed" - is the job of the CEO...

Just FYI.

Making the finals isn't the job of the manager

Getting an effective football club happening is his job.

Getting an effective football club and finals will come

It not about outcome it about process
Stop putting the cart before the horse

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Making the finals isn't the job of the manager

Getting an effective football club happening is his job.

Getting an effective football club and finals will come

It not about outcome it about process
Stop putting the cart before the horse

Stop telling the cart to do the horses job.

ffs.

[hawk]

Stop telling the cart to do the horses job.

ffs.

winner

[StannyCFCJET]

I disagree with this, how is Duncan ever going to perform his best if he never feels like he has to? He can turn up each week and play 90 minutes regardless of how his form is because there is no one else. Will you really see him work hard and improve? he has no reason to!

Also what if he goes down with an ACL injury on a Thursday training session with a game on the Saturday coming up?

There should be more than 1 quality player capable of playing each position in the starting 11 and goal keeper shouldn't be an exception.

Agreed Birraz was soo good because BK was pushing him all the way

[turbojetfireV8]

didn't Birraz rush back with half his front teeth broken so BK didn't get a foothold in goals?? :blink:

[Frodo]

Agreed Birraz was soo good because BK was pushing him all the way

The member goes and makes a stupid comment about it 'not being the managers responsibility if we make the finals or not' and then you come along with this drivel.

You two are like the Batman & Robin of saying unintelligible comments when trying to make reasonable points. aka 'Foot in mouth disease' or 'Type before you think syndrome'.



So by the same logic in regards to Moss, if we sign Keogh or Taggart or Krishna would you and the member be disappointed? We already have 1 striker, do we really need another one who is as good or better?

[MFKS]

The member goes and makes a stupid comment about it 'not being the managers responsibility if we make the finals or not' and then you come along with this drivel.

You two are like the Batman & Robin of saying unintelligible comments when trying to make reasonable points. aka 'Foot in mouth disease' or 'Type before you think syndrome'.



So by the same logic in regards to Moss, if we sign Keogh or Taggart or Krishna would you and the member be disappointed? We already have 1 striker, do we really need another one who is as good or better?

How did i make stupid comment??

I couldnt give two ****s if we make the semis next season
I more interested that Bert starts building a competent functioning team

That my interest in next season


You plebs who want to measure whether Bert is a success or failure based on whether he can get these shit players into the playoffs are the ones living in delusion

[StannyCFCJET]

The member goes and makes a stupid comment about it 'not being the managers responsibility if we make the finals or not' and then you come along with this drivel.

You two are like the Batman & Robin of saying unintelligible comments when trying to make reasonable points. aka 'Foot in mouth disease' or 'Type before you think syndrome'.



So by the same logic in regards to Moss, if we sign Keogh or Taggart or Krishna would you and the member be disappointed? We already have 1 striker, do we really need another one who is as good or better?

We had two keepers pushing each other in training and games so that the other one performed when picked. Miller said it Birraz said it and BK said it so jog on Frodo

[Frodo]

How did i make stupid comment??

I couldnt give two ****s if we make the semis next season
I more interested that Bert starts building a competent functioning team

That my interest in next season


You plebs who want to measure whether Bert is a success or failure based on whether he can get these shit players into the playoffs are the ones living in delusion


You tried to make that point but failed when you said this:

Making the finals isn't the job of the manager

which is a stupid comment.

I think you meant to say that Ernie has more important things to worry about straight off the bat than just making the finals. Finals football should be secondary to rebuilding this broken club. Is that correct?


Because making finals football, when that becomes the aim for our club, is very much Bernie's job!:thumbsup:

[Frodo]

We had two keepers pushing each other in training and games so that the other one performed when picked. Miller said it Birraz said it and BK said it so jog on Frodo

Alright, so you might want to read your original post again.


Agreed Birraz was soo good because BK was pushing him all the way

That extra 'o' makes it read that you were being sarcastic and BK was useless. Which seems to be the opposite of what you intended.

[MFKS]

You tried to make that point but failed when you said this:


which is a stupid comment.

I think you meant to say that Ernie has more important things to worry about straight off the bat than just making the finals. Finals football should be secondary to rebuilding this broken club. Is that correct?


Because making finals football, when that becomes the aim for our club, is very much Bernie's job!:thumbsup:

Nope i pretty certain i said it right

Making the finals has become the fuvking holy grail for this club

Lets just cut the bullshit with that

Lets just get a competent functioning club

**** results
**** league tables

If we get a competent functioning club results will come playoffs will be made trophies won etc

But no we want to make it all about making the ****ing top 6 as a bench mark on success failure instead of actually just doing what we should be doing to give ourselves the opportunity to succeed

[Frodo]

Nope i pretty certain i said it right

Making the finals has become the fuvking holy grail for this club

Lets just cut the bullshit with that

Lets just get a competent functioning club

**** results
**** league tables

If we get a competent functioning club results will come playoffs will be made trophies won etc

But no we want to make it all about making the ****ing top 6 as a bench mark on success failure instead of actually just doing what we should be doing to give ourselves the opportunity to succeed

I'll humour your ridiculousness here then.

Define, if you will, what classifies a club as 'functioning competently'?

And which clubs are competent and which ones aren't?



Also, if we shouldn't use the finals as barometer of success what should we use?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I'll humour your ridiculousness here then.

Define, if you will, what classifies a club as 'functioning competently'?

And which clubs are competent and which ones aren't?



Also, if we shouldn't use the finals as barometer of success what should we use?

Mongrel.

[Jetmaster]

So enough of this banter. NBN confirmed tonight that Mariners have not yet signed BK.

The bigger news is they are interested in Hoole.

[MFKS]

I'll humour your ridiculousness here then.

Define, if you will, what classifies a club as 'functioning competently'?

And which clubs are competent and which ones aren't?



Also, if we shouldn't use the finals as barometer of success what should we use?

Smurfs Victree Perth Heart WsW Roar

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Smurfs Victree Perth Heart WsW Roar

1445

Making the finals isn't everything though.. You have to be a competent club... Run efficiently...

Don't worry about making the finals... Just be competent and efficient...

Looks like teams who make the finals are automatically competent and efficient..

Seems odd.

[Frodo]

Smurfs Victree Perth Heart WsW Roar

Yeah, you failed to argue your point with that one. You want to be well run and would be happy to miss the finals in order to do so but picked the clubs who made the finals as the clubs you want to emulate? You are correct, however you haven't convinced anyone that making the finals should be something we aim for.


To help you along, there are 3 clubs (us, marinators and Kiwis) who are run like a joke. We don't have any real plans in place other than buy rejects and hope they do better than the guys last year. We all deserve to be relegated at some point.

Adelaide, Citeh and Roar are the next 3 who are having a poor run by mismanagement but have enough intelligent people in them to stay competitive and keep up with the current level of the A league. Citeh should be stronger given the advantages they have as a club but can't get their act together yet and become a force in the league. Adelaide need to prove that this year was just a blip and Roar need to settle their owner situation.

Shitney, Wanderers, Victory and Perth have a style of play, a name for themselves that attracts good players and are driving the league forward.





Merrick needs to make us somewhat competitive on the field in order to attract better players next year.

Gypo CEO needs to sort us out behind the scenes so that we can get these better players to actually sign and be happy.
He also needs to get 15000 people to games somehow. Merrick needs to help him by playing good football but it's Lawrie's job to run us properly.

If we make the finals this year, or the year afterwards than that will go along way to putting bums on seats. Get the crowd numbers up and keep them coming back, It's easier to make money with a large crowd coming here every week rather than charging people double and just having 5000 show up each fortnight.

So finals football, whilst definitely NOT guaranteeing we are being run better, is both a helping factor and a good barometer of a club being run well. If we don't make the finals, although it doesn't mean we aren't moving in the right direction, could hinder us finding better players and slow us down in our progress.



There's no point getting rid of these players on stupid contracts if we can't attract anyone better! We will just keep paying overs for players and never get anywhere. At some point we just need to work hard and become a bit better with the players we have, improve the roster the season after and repeat until we are champions of Europe.

[parksey]

This

And Barca don't have the problem of signing a decent midfield and defence to replace the dross they have, all within a salary cap.

FFS we came stone motherless last and our number 1 signing priority is a 2nd keeper. It's like upgrading the windows in your house while it's burning to the ground.

The club should be signing the best 2nd keeper they can, providing they are on min wage, young and can be developed. Not wasting money on keepers well past their prime.

Surely you are trolling.

[Mark325]

So enough of this banter. NBN confirmed tonight that Mariners have not yet signed BK.

The bigger news is they are interested in Hoole.

would rather moss then him honestly

as long as we don't sign him I'm happy, don't wanna see him back at our club

[plague]

without even trying to rationalise the Members posts, I'm assuming his point is along these lines.
1. A well run club should 'expect' to make the finals every year.
2. A well run club making the finals every year should be aiming to win the comp.
3. Wanderers made the finals this year but would consider their season a failure.
4. If we finished on the same points as them this year we'd consider the same season a success.


CEO and Manager (pretty much because there doesnt seem to be anyone else working t the Jets anymore) are in charge of making the club realistically make the semis every year on their way to competing for the title.

I honestly believe thats a much bigger (and infinitely more important) task than just making the semis in year one or two.

Because (hopefully) a well run club with realistic aspirations can change CEO, Manager, Marquee players without ever dropping into the turd bucket where teams like us reside at the moment.

Id love to see the club at the same level as Brisbane, WSW, Victory where it personnel turnover doesn't seem to create any real drama.

[MFKS]

without even trying to rationalise the Members posts, I'm assuming his point is along these lines.
1. A well run club should 'expect' to make the finals every year.
2. A well run club making the finals every year should be aiming to win the comp.
3. Wanderers made the finals this year but would consider their season a failure.
4. If we finished on the same points as them this year we'd consider the same season a success.


CEO and Manager (pretty much because there doesnt seem to be anyone else working t the Jets anymore) are in charge of making the club realistically make the semis every year on their way to competing for the title.

I honestly believe thats a much bigger (and infinitely more important) task than just making the semis in year one or two.

Because (hopefully) a well run club with realistic aspirations can change CEO, Manager, Marquee players without ever dropping into the turd bucket where teams like us reside at the moment.

Id love to see the club at the same level as Brisbane, WSW, Victory where it personnel turnover doesn't seem to create any real drama.
Thanks buddy

At least there is one smart man on the foz who understands it

[hawk]

Id love to see the club at the same level as Brisbane, WSW, Victory where it personnel turnover doesn't seem to create any real drama.

Dreamin. They're big clubs who wanna have a crack. We dont

[plague]

Thanks buddy

At least there is one smart man on the foz who understands it

im not sure someone needs to be 'smart' to understand you.

maybe just a little more 'off centre'.

cheers though.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

im not sure someone needs to be 'smart' to understand you.

maybe just a little more 'off centre'.

cheers though.

Not all of us have children to filter The Members posts through to decrypt the dribble he posts.

Thanks for the info though.

[MFKS]

im not sure someone needs to be 'smart' to understand you.

maybe just a little more 'off centre'.

cheers though.
So you saying I really need a translator ??

[Wilso8948]

So you saying I really need a translator ??

There's a lot of things you need. A translator is fairly low on the priority list. Plague is doing a pretty good job right now. Even if he is your multi.

[Jetmaster]

So enough of this banter. NBN confirmed tonight that Mariners have not yet signed BK.

The bigger news is they are interested in Hoole.

Put this in last night but it got lost in the ongoing rant above.

HOOLE TO THE GYPOS POSSIBLE....farken.

[MFKS]

Put this in last night but it got lost in the ongoing rant above.

HOOLE TO THE GYPOS POSSIBLE....farken.

Didn't get lost

Can't his agent find him a deal in the Hungarian 3rd division if the impending moves to the Bernabau Old Trafford Parc Des Prince fall through??

[lquiquer]

Didn't get lost

Can't his agent find him a deal in the Hungarian 3rd division if the impending moves to the Bernabau Old Trafford Parc Des Prince fall through??

I hope he signs with gypos.....

[Wilso8948]

I actually think he'd be a bit of a loss. Shit attitude yes but something a decent manager and some age may change. I felt he was a scapegoat for last years shit and actually creates a fair few chances. A decent striker would have put away a few of these which we didn't have last season. He's Aussie and wouldn't be on crazy money. Would provide good depth out wide and handy coming off the bench running at tired legs if we had signed a superior winger to him. I honestly believe he will grow into a very capable A league player. Unfortunately many people (including himself) have much higher expectations of him which I think contributes to previously mentioned attitude issue.

[Jetmaster]

His problem is an agent turning his head. When we first tried to swap him with Carney the agent said it would be a step backwards and his next move would be Europe.
Then when he gets an offer it gets knocked back because of offers in Europe. If he goes to the Mariners I can see him doing a Hearfield.

[MFKS]

His problem is an agent turning his head. When we first tried to swap him with Carney the agent said it would be a step backwards and his next move would be Europe.
Then when he gets an offer it gets knocked back because of offers in Europe. If he goes to the Mariners I can see him doing a Hearfield.

Ducking pies being thrown at him??

[lquiquer]

Ducking pies being thrown at him??

Hair dryers and combs....:rof:

[Grimario]

Guess we aren't in for Nichols then...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/6bllak/western_sydney_wanderers_star_mitch_nichols/

[MFKS]

Guess we aren't in for Nichols then...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/6bllak/western_sydney_wanderers_star_mitch_nichols/

Like the comment

BUTTERS YOUR GROUNDED

[leftrightout]

Could mean we sign him for cheaper... is it too soon to think like that? haha

[Nou Camp]

Could mean we sign him for cheaper... is it too soon to think like that? haha

that's was my initial thought
a lot of the players do it, he just got caught

[borat]

Certainly seems like the first job was to take care of one of the boys. Vince Lia nailed on as next signing. #Nixreveloution

http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/92595768/Vince-Lia-could-be-next-Wellington-Phoenix-player-Ernie-Merrick-swoops-for

[The Dunster]

Ernie needs to get someone like Nathan Burns back to the Jets - not blokes that merely make up the numbers like Lia.

[Jeterpool]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/92595768/Vince-Lia-could-be-next-Wellington-Phoenix-player-Ernie-Merrick-swoops-for

Any recruitment of Lia in my opinion would be a step backwards from Poljak. If he were to come in, we'd be relying on him, Brown or Kanta to be slotting in next to Ugarkovic. None of those options fill me with a great deal of confidence.

[white city]

Ernie needs to get someone like Nathan Burns back to the Jets - not blokes that merely make up the numbers like Lia.

that article is pure speculation and alot of facts wrong. Since when did merrick coach finkler and barbarouses before pheonix? he wasnt at victory the year before!

i very much doubt Lia will be his next signing. he would be easy to acquire so if true he would have been signed already.

[MFKS]

I just don't see how we can offer Kanta a deal and offer Lia a deal

It either one or the other not both

[lil_masi]

I just don't see how we can offer Kanta a deal and offer Lia a deal

It either one or the other not both

Correct.

BTW Kruse and Holland have left their club

[Tommyjet]

Correct.

BTW Kruse and Holland have left their club

Perfect. Sign them up bernie

[Jeterpool]

Correct.

BTW Kruse and Holland have left their club

Really!!!! Got a link? Griff will bring Jimmy home.

And if I had to have a punchable face in the team it'd be Kruse over Nichols. He's at least playing for the socceroos and he has pace. Did Merrick have him at Victory?

[lil_masi]

Really!!!! Got a link? Griff will bring Jimmy home.

And if I had to have a punchable face in the team it'd be Kruse over Nichols. He's at least playing for the socceroos and he has pace. Did Merrick have him at Victory?

Yes Merrick got Kruse to Victory when his career took off.

It's on twitter. The pfa have released a statement basically saying the Chinese club were not fulfilling their financial obligations. Players are now free agents

[Jeterpool]

Yes Merrick got Kruse to Victory when his career took off.

It's on twitter. The pfa have released a statement basically saying the Chinese club were not fulfilling their financial obligations. Players are now free agents

Go hard at those 2 and Burns.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Go hard at those 2 and Burns.

These two, Burns and BFK.

We're done and into the 6, maybe even the 4.

[rhysd]

http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/92595768/Vince-Lia-could-be-next-Wellington-Phoenix-player-Ernie-Merrick-swoops-for

Linked about every player, pure speculation article!

[Wilso8948]

I thought Holland was very poor in his stint at Adelaide bar his final game. Was surprised he wasn't in the national team selection until he came home and showed me why.

[MFKS]

These two, Burns and BFK.

We're done and into the 6, maybe even the 4.

Settle the **** down

We could have CR7 Iniesta Ibra Messi in our side and **** things up

[Wilso8948]

Realistically we should make our final visa signings Baro and FBK. Another possibility in Carrusca. All 3 have excelled at top clubs. I realise they are being released from said clubs for a reason but they are seriously far and above what we have on our books.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Jimmy Holland? Would finally buy a kit if we got him

[Tommyjet]

I thought Holland was very poor in his stint at Adelaide bar his final game. Was surprised he wasn't in the national team selection until he came home and showed me why.

I thought he was starting to find his feet there just before he left. I dont think he and isais worked very well together and were constantly moving into and patrolling the same areas.

[Jeterpool]

I thought Holland was very poor in his stint at Adelaide bar his final game. Was surprised he wasn't in the national team selection until he came home and showed me why.

Would you sign him?

I think perhaps because he was played too deep? Isaias is probably better as a single holder but he was holding back. And he had Makarounas next to him as well. I thought his first game agaisnt us he was solid.

[MFKS]

Realistically we should make our final visa signings Baro and FBK. Another possibility in Carrusca. All 3 have excelled at top clubs. I realise they are being released from said clubs for a reason but they are seriously far and above what we have on our books.

WTF??

If the basis for signing a ViSa player is success at a HAL club then maybe

But let's put some faith in Bert's contacts delivering a 2017 Carlos Hernandez or Fred or Bonovecia etc

Someone no **** has heard of coming in and carving it up

I been watching a lot of the LaLiga and La Liga 2 highlights thanks to BeIn Sports

Go get some of those blokes and find the next Diego Castro

They can play and would kill it in this league the blokes at the lower end of LaLiga and the Upper end of LaLiga 2

[borat]

Linked about every player, pure speculation article!

I didn't say it wasn't speculation, I just posted the link. No different to the baseless speculation linking us to Milligan/FBK/Messi

[Wilso8948]

WTF??

If the basis for signing a ViSa player is success at a HAL club then maybe

But let's put some faith in Bert's contacts delivering a 2017 Carlos Hernandez or Fred or Bonovecia etc

Someone no **** has heard of coming in and carving it up

I been watching a lot of the LaLiga and La Liga 2 highlights thanks to BeIn Sports

Go get some of those blokes and find the next Diego Castro

They can play and would kill it in this league the blokes at the lower end of LaLiga and the Upper end of LaLiga 2

In my opinion both FBK and Baro have both also "carved it up"

[borat]

I must say, am surprised that after repeated years of signing Neville nobodies, that there are so many willing to beleive we stand any chance of Burns/FBK/Kruse etc

I feel you will be slightly disappointed when we do sign the likes of Lia/Tratt and co.

I would predict, bar the 1 marquee No #10 we sign, all our signings will be older journeymen types with the spin given that these are tougher experienced players we need.

[Wilso8948]

Would you sign him?

I think perhaps because he was played too deep? Isaias is probably better as a single holder but he was holding back. And he had Makarounas next to him as well. I thought his first game agaisnt us he was solid.

Based off his stint in Adelaide no.

[borat]

Realistically we should make our final visa signings Baro and FBK. Another possibility in Carrusca. All 3 have excelled at top clubs. I realise they are being released from said clubs for a reason but they are seriously far and above what we have on our books.

Realistically 1 Visa player will be an unknown Chinese player, you can put your house on that.

[borat]

Would you sign him?

I think perhaps because he was played too deep? Isaias is probably better as a single holder but he was holding back. And he had Makarounas next to him as well. I thought his first game agaisnt us he was solid.

Jimmy would be a success at the Jets imo.....but the money is better spent up the park

[borat]

I just don't see how we can offer Kanta a deal and offer Lia a deal

It either one or the other not both

I don't beleive we can do any better, that's why.

[Jeterpool]

I must say, am surprised that after repeated years of signing Neville nobodies, that there are so many willing to beleive we stand any chance of Burns/FBK/Kruse etc

I feel you will be slightly disappointed when we do sign the likes of Lia/Tratt and co.

I would predict, bar the 1 marquee No #10 we sign, all our signings will be older journeymen types with the spin given that these are tougher experienced players we need.

Would you put Georgevski and O'Donovan in that boat? Georgevski is one of the better left backs in the league and O'Donovan has consistently reached double figures for goals - something just 2 players have done in the Jets in 12 years.

For me, they're statement's of intent.

[Jeterpool]

We've got 5 spots left to fill.

I'd be looking at Ansell, Holland, Kruse, Burns and Foreign #10.

I know we need to bring in a Chinese player so that complicates my theory - perhaps as a guest player?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

We've got 5 spots left to fill.

I'd be looking at Ansell, Holland, Kruse, Burns and Foreign #10.

I know we need to bring in a Chinese player so that complicates my theory - perhaps as a guest player?

Can we fit those under the cap?

Mullen, Nobby and BK should free up a lot.. But we still have Brown, Kokko, Boogs taking a fair chunk.

Kruze and/or Holland will want massive $$ Holland moreso...

[borat]

Would you put Georgevski and O'Donovan in that boat? Georgevski is one of the better left backs in the league and O'Donovan has consistently reached double figures for goals - something just 2 players have done in the Jets in 12 years.

For me, they're statement's of intent.
No I wouldn't. But I still think you are sugar coating those 2 players and what impact they will have.

I would say firstly they are an improvement on what we had so in that respect they are good signings.

But don't let the GF change the fact that Georgievski wasn't wanted at MV and Lost his position to Broxham for most of the season. He is a good LB but well down the best in the league imo. Still an improvement for us

O'Donnovan is good, but be honest we took the striker off possibly the only team in the comp worse than we are. I hope it works out and we give him the support he will need.

It's not like we came out and beat SFC/MC/MV to the signing of a top player. That would be a statement of intent. All we have done is worried the bottom 4 teams that we might be more competitive

[borat]

Who said it was the No. 1 signing priority? It may just have been the easiest one to get completed. We needed a Keeper, one was available that wanted to come that the coach has worked with before and does not have to do due diligence on with regards to personality type, how well he trains, performance etc. we signed him. End of story.

I think it is a good thing that we have signed an experienced professional to work alongside a young keeper in Duncan. Merrick has described Moss as a model professional, how is it a bad thing that Duncan spends 12 months learning how to better prepare himself? We have not signed Moss long term, what is the point of signing another young keeper to sit on the bench that will not develop as he won't play. I would rather be in a position that either Moss is starting and teaching Duncan skills on how to train and prepare, or Duncan starts and if he gets injured we have a hugely experienced guy who can step straight in and it won't all be a massive shock to him.

I wonder how Lawrence Thomas is ever going to improve with Matt Acton as the No 2.......

I guess it's a luxury we can afford and Victory can't. Will be interesting to compare squads come Rd 1.

[Hunter403]

James Holland or Robbie Kruse anyone? Both free agents as of today

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/socceroos-pair-robbie-kruse-and-james-holland-will-enter-the-transfer-market-as-free-agents-20170518-gw7pss.html

[Jeterpool]

Can we fit those under the cap?

Mullen, Nobby and BK should free up a lot.. But we still have Brown, Kokko, Boogs taking a fair chunk.

Kruze and/or Holland will want massive $$ Holland moreso...

I wouldn't count Kennedy because his contract was subsidised. There wouldn't be as much there.

I put up a post before and said, as a rough guess*

Mullen = Georgevski
Nordstrand = O'Donovan

Poljak = Holland (remember, Adelaide fit him under the cap)
Hoole + BK outside cap = Ansell
Foreign 10 = Marquee
Haliti + Cooper = Moss
Ma Leilei = Kruse

There is also the $300,000 increase in the salary cap from $2.6 to $2.9 million

* I've got zero idea on this and it's an assumption and a stab in the dark

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I wouldn't count Kennedy because his contract was subsidised. There wouldn't be as much there.

I put up a post before and said, as a rough guess*

Mullen = Georgevski
Nordstrand = O'Donovan

Poljak = Holland (remember, Adelaide fit him under the cap)
Hoole + BK outside cap = Ansell
Foreign 10 = Marquee
Haliti + Cooper = Moss
Ma Leilei = Kruse

There is also the $300,000 increase in the salary cap from $2.6 to $2.9 million

* I've got zero idea on this and it's an assumption and a stab in the dark

Seems to make sense to me. Rough guess based on ability etc.

Still plenty of clubs with spots free for Kruze and Holland, unfortunately.. Means someone else will more than likely get them.

Perth, City, Adelaide, Brisbane have plenty of space and $$ still to use...

[Jetmaster]

Socceroos must be screened by Smurfs and Citeh first before other clubs can make bids.

[MFKS]

* I've got zero idea on this and it's an assumption and a stab in the dark

That's ok

This is the internet

Everyone is an expert

[parksey]

I thought Holland was very poor in his stint at Adelaide bar his final game. Was surprised he wasn't in the national team selection until he came home and showed me why.

Agreed, he was dire and one of the reasons why Adelaide were so poor too.

[pv4]

Agreed, he was dire and one of the reasons why Adelaide were so poor too.

I felt it was more to do with him not working in with isiais well tbh. I hold higher optimism for him if he played in with Stevie UG

[Tommyjet]

I felt it was more to do with him not working in with isiais well tbh. I hold higher optimism for him if he played in with Stevie UG

I agree

[white city]

I agree

i would take both, Kruse would definitely be a priority . Make Kruse the Australian Marquee his wages pretty much need to be out of the cap. i would take Holland however i dont think we will even make a play with Brown in there i believe he will partner Stevie Ug in midfield under Merrick

that would leave us a foreign #10 and Chinese attacker (1 of those marquee wages)

that then leaves us with the need of a CB, Spira has been mentioned just dont know the sort of wages he would be fetching?

[Jeterpool]

I think, if he ends up in the A-League, Kruse will end up at Roar. They need to replace Broich, Borello and Maclaren.

[leftrightout]

I think, if he ends up in the A-League, Kruse will end up at Roar. They need to replace Broich, Borello and Maclaren.

He didn't leave Brisbane in very good circumstances last time. A lot has changed at the club since but he may not want to go back?

[leftrightout]

The names being thrown around are crazy... why are we all thinking we have a chance with these guys? Is there a sense of optimism here? I really hope for once we aren't let down and we sign some of these good names being thrown about

[Jeterpool]

The names being thrown around are crazy... why are we all thinking we have a chance with these guys? Is there a sense of optimism here? I really hope for once we aren't let down and we sign some of these good names being thrown about

This is the first off season under Ledman, McKinna and Merrick so lets see what they can do. Merrick has a reputation in the game and I think he will target players to help us win

And why shouldn't we target these players? Do we want to target lesser players straight off, whinge we didn't target better players and spend the whole season complaining about the dross we are watching?

Lets show some ambition for once. Change the culture around the club.

[Jeterpool]

He didn't leave Brisbane in very good circumstances last time. A lot has changed at the club since but he may not want to go back?

Right, I didn't recall that.

[leftrightout]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/robbie-kruse-james-holland-china-contracts-pfa-reveals-staggering-money-owed-to-australians/news-story/b5460839d341369221069a01395d5f88

Some very interesting comments from Griff... I take from that we are definitely in the market for a marquee!

[leftrightout]

Right, I didn't recall that.

Yes he left before the Ange revolution.
When he first played brisbane as a victory player he just got thumped by everyone, i remember it was pretty spiteful!

[borat]

I think, if he ends up in the A-League, Kruse will end up at Roar. They need to replace Broich, Borello and Maclaren.

Kruse is nailed on for Victory imo, if he were to return that is

[plague]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/robbie-kruse-james-holland-china-contracts-pfa-reveals-staggering-money-owed-to-australians/news-story/b5460839d341369221069a01395d5f88

Some very interesting comments from Griff... I take from that we are definitely in the market for a marquee!

Isn't it just refreshing to get some honesty and opinion out of someone in management rather than the dross 95% of them spit out at regular intervals.

Hail Griff.

[white city]

Kruse is nailed on for Victory imo, if he were to return that is

look i think it you are 100% correct if its not back in europe it will be at one of the bigger clubs of the a-league. its just nice to Griff giving us fans some hope that we want to be competitive in the player market

[leftrightout]

Kruse is nailed on for Victory imo, if he were to return that is

Victory already have 2 marquees for next year, Kruse would certainly be a marquee.

[MFKS]

Victory already have 2 marquees for next year, Kruse would certainly be a marquee.

He be the Tim Cahill marquee

If the Sydney and Melbourne teams can't get that up he be the Chinese Refugee Marquee where HAL clubs save Aussie players from CSL clubs

Rules get amended for the Sydney and Melbourne teams

[pv4]

I think, if he ends up in the A-League, Kruse will end up at Roar. They need to replace Broich, Borello and Maclaren.

On that theme, Ibini has gone to the MLS & SFC will almost certainly let Holosko go. I can't see them not enquiring about Kruse.

Back on the Holland at Adelaide, proving porksey wrong thing, having heard from some Adelaide fans the general consensus from them was Isiais was playing as the deep midfielder with Holland asked to basically replace Mauk as the 8, and that's why Holland looked quite poor. They all point to one game right at the end of Holland's Adelaide time when Isiais was out, and Holland played the deep midfielder, and they all reckon Holland looked superb that game.

Let Holland be the "Isiais", and let Stevie UG be the "Mauk", and I predict good things.

[The Dunster]

He be the Tim Cahill marquee

If the Sydney and Melbourne teams can't get that up he be the Chinese Refugee Marquee where HAL clubs save Aussie players from CSL clubs

Rules get amended for the Sydney and Melbourne teams

Agreed.

[leftrightout]

the Chinese Refugee Marquee where HAL clubs save Aussie players from CSL clubs

I love it!!! hahahaha

[leftrightout]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/premier-league-players-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-the-season/news-story/842bc948a5a908b25a6d9cabe934f4d4

Any names that interest?

Yaya? He is 34 now good age to come here!

[borat]

Victory already have 2 marquees for next year, Kruse would certainly be a marquee.
They have 1

Troisi hasn't signed yet and may not.

[borat]

On that theme, Ibini has gone to the MLS & SFC will almost certainly let Holosko go. I can't see them not enquiring about Kruse.

Back on the Holland at Adelaide, proving porksey wrong thing, having heard from some Adelaide fans the general consensus from them was Isiais was playing as the deep midfielder with Holland asked to basically replace Mauk as the 8, and that's why Holland looked quite poor. They all point to one game right at the end of Holland's Adelaide time when Isiais was out, and Holland played the deep midfielder, and they all reckon Holland looked superb that game.

Let Holland be the "Isiais", and let Stevie UG be the "Mauk", and I predict good things.

SFC do have 2 marquees already, Bobo and Ninkovic got an upgrade

[borat]

This is the first off season under Ledman, McKinna and Merrick so lets see what they can do. Merrick has a reputation in the game and I think he will target players to help us win

And why shouldn't we target these players? Do we want to target lesser players straight off, whinge we didn't target better players and spend the whole season complaining about the dross we are watching?

Lets show some ambition for once. Change the culture around the club.

Proof is in the pudding. Otherwise is just the usual BS delivered every year

[Roundball Enthusiast]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/premier-league/premier-league-players-out-of-contract-at-the-end-of-the-season/news-story/842bc948a5a908b25a6d9cabe934f4d4

Yaya? He is 34 now good age to come here!

MSL or China

[leftrightout]

MSL or China

Charlie Adam?

[Mark325]

Kanta given a 1 yr contract

[hawk]

Kanta given a 1 yr contract

Awesome. We will be ok for 9th now. Thanks red and blue jerks

[leftrightout]

Awesome. We will be ok for 9th now. Thanks red and blue jerks

Don't stress he won't play much... when he isn't injured, he is suspended.

[hawk]

Don't stress he won't play much... when he isn't injured, he is suspended.

stress? lozl. Cafe factor 0. We will be sh1t again and this is just another shit/choice decision. enjoy

[pv4]

SFC do have 2 marquees already, Bobo and Ninkovic got an upgrade

Ibini & Ninkovic's wages that were in the cap this season would well and truly cover whatever Kruse would be asking I'd assume.

[Bon]

stress? lozl. Cafe factor 0. We will be sh1t again and this is just another shit/choice decision. enjoy

You seem pretty calm hawk.. You been getting your trenchcoat, telescopic lens and getting out to the ZPL games again? :gent:

[Roundball Enthusiast]

You seem pretty calm hawk.. You been getting your trenchcoat, telescopic lens and getting out to the ZPL games again? :gent:

Certainly haven't seen the trench coat perusing the far fence line of Lance York.... Unfortunately.

[StannyCFCJET]

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/news-ben-kantarovski-commits-for-another-campaign/kn8qaht72ggn1u83pwkr9rlfq


FFS another Player stealing a living in the Aleague

[borat]

Ibini & Ninkovic's wages that were in the cap this season would well and truly cover whatever Kruse would be asking I'd assume.

Not a chance.

Kruse is on a massive salary in China. It's what lured him from Leverkusen.

Stubbins signed Ninkovic for 240k and beat SFC in the process. When Tinks went under Ninkovic went back to SFC and took their deal.

I beleive Ibini's loan salary was quite low as he took a modest salary to sign with Brugge.

[plague]

FFS another Player stealing a living in the Aleague

wow, that dude is still only 25.

injuries had cost him. poor bugger.

hope he brains it this year.

[StannyCFCJET]

wow, that dude is still only 25.

injuries had cost him. poor bugger.

hope he brains it this year.

Even when Fit he offers nothing to the team

[plague]

Even when Fit he offers nothing to the team

hey man you can hate all you want.

im cheering for a comeback.

[StannyCFCJET]

hey man you can hate all you want.

im cheering for a comeback.

After 5 years of nothing ive given up on Kanta. Happy to be proven wrong but nothing suggests I will

[plague]

After 5 years of nothing ive given up on Kanta. Happy to be proven wrong but nothing suggests I will

good for you guy.

give yourself a big old pat on the back if he blows another knee.

[MFKS]

So I take it **** all really has changed at the club.

Merrick is in for a surprise when he realises how shit the squad is

Can't believe he filling it with more junk

Gee whiz Bert

[Hunter403]

I like Kanta but he needs to leave Newcastle and get out of his comfort zone. Nothing challenges him here. All his friends and family are close, everything is familiar. Too easy, no struggle

[Mark325]

I like Kanta but he needs to leave Newcastle and get out of his comfort zone. Nothing challenges him here. All his friends and family are close, everything is familiar. Too easy, no struggle

if he's to be believed he got interest from other clubs and he honestly would've been better taking the risk with his career and giving one of them a go. considerin if he crashed and burned somehwere else we'd probably take him back in a heartbeat i see no reason for him not to give it a run and actually free us up the spot to sign someone a bit better

his biggest asset is versatility but cowburn offers the same thing, you could argue who's better or worse but if ya got one we don't need two

[The Dunster]

if he's to be believed he got interest from other clubs and he honestly would've been better taking the risk with his career and giving one of them a go. considerin if he crashed and burned somehwere else we'd probably take him back in a heartbeat i see no reason for him not to give it a run and actually free us up the spot to sign someone a bit better

his biggest asset is versatility but cowburn offers the same thing, you could argue who's better or worse but if ya got one we don't need two

Cowburn is nowhere near the class of Kanta. Never will be. As for versatility it doesn't matter - Cowburn is simply not of the standard we require - at any position. I'm not saying he's not good or doesn't put in the effort - just that he's not proven himself yet and had plenty of time to do so. He'll make a great state league player in the near future. We can do much better - and Kanta with subsidies / concessions is a better choice.

[StannyCFCJET]

Cowburn is nowhere near the class of Kanta. Never will be. As for versatility it doesn't matter - Cowburn is simply not of the standard we require - at any position. I'm not saying he's not good or doesn't put in the effort - just that he's not proven himself yet and had plenty of time to do so. He'll make a great state league player in the near future. We can do much better - and Kanta with subsidies / concessions is a better choice.

Your Kidding Cowburn at present is Head and Shoulders above Kanta in every way except slide tackling

[Mark325]

Cowburn is nowhere near the class of Kanta. Never will be. As for versatility it doesn't matter - Cowburn is simply not of the standard we require - at any position. I'm not saying he's not good or doesn't put in the effort - just that he's not proven himself yet and had plenty of time to do so. He'll make a great state league player in the near future. We can do much better - and Kanta with subsidies / concessions is a better choice.

That's not me arguing who's better out of Kanta or cowburn, it's more me saying that we already have Cowbie signed and he offers the versatility of Kanta, plus I wanna see Kanta move on for his own good as well to see if he can grow outside of this club who haven't done much for him the past bunch of years

[Grimario]

http://footballcentral.com.au/os-aussies-market/#.WR9Y_-rSXqB


Let's get speculation going so the herald has some material.

[Grimario]

Not a chance.

Kruse is on a massive salary in China. It's what lured him from Leverkusen.

Stubbins signed Ninkovic for 240k and beat SFC in the process. When Tinks went under Ninkovic went back to SFC and took their deal.

I beleive Ibini's loan salary was quite low as he took a modest salary to sign with Brugge.

Kruse is on no salary in china... that's the whole reason he's available because of months without pay.

[MFKS]

Kruse is on no salary in china... that's the whole reason he's available because of months without pay.

He will get paid though

His club are notorious for late payment

If they don't pay they will get relegated etc

So Kruse will get his cash just a little late

That being said he needs a new club

Now assuming we qualify for Russia he missed out last time through injury

Whereabouts he go will be dictated by where he can play and impress Ange

Being that Bert coached him before we are not as far out of the picture as one may think

[borat]

Kruse is on no salary in china... that's the whole reason he's available because of months without pay.

Read the Herald today, he was signed for 2mill a season in China. There is no way he is accepting anything less than marquee here.

[lquiquer]

A close sauce of I spotted James Holland at the Junction today

[The Dunster]

Alistair Quinn ? What happened to him ? Went to Holland played for a few years as a junior then in 2nd tier of senior football in Holland - then came back to Brisbane to play in the domestic league.
He's only 24 or so and can play as either a left or right back. Unless he's injured he'd be well worth a trial with the club.

[plague]

I like Kanta but he needs to leave Newcastle and get out of his comfort zone. Nothing challenges him here. All his friends and family are close, everything is familiar. Too easy, no struggle

and how exactly did you come up with this hot take?

[plague]

A close sauce of I spotted James Holland at the Junction today

Yeah I read that somewhere.

[Hunter403]

What Plague? You think he is challenged here? Really?

[plague]

What Plague? You think he is challenged here? Really?

I don't know, you're the one with the knowledge on all things Kanta apparently.

im just wondering how you know this. If hes a mate and has confided in you then great, or if you are in the profession of analysing people from afar on their mental state then thats also cool.

otherwise i think you're observations of him are biased and uninformed.

thats why i asked for clarity.

[The Dunster]

Who needs a challenge ? It's a job and the idea is to make as much as you need for the least possible effort. So I think Kanta is doing well enough.

[Wilso8948]

Mariners targetting Baro

[leftrightout]

http://footballcentral.com.au/os-aussies-market/#.WR9Y_-rSXqB


Let's get speculation going so the herald has some material.

Would take Wilkshire for sure!
Would he need to be marquee? Guys like Valeri have come home and not been.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Would take Wilkshire for sure!
Would he need to be marquee? Guys like Valeri have come home and not been.

35.

No thanks.

We're also good in the Defending/Holding Mid space.

[The Camel]

35.

No thanks.

We're also good in the Defending/Holding Mid space.

We are definitely NOT good in the DM space. We have Ugar and a bunch of guys who are not A League standard. Look at every championship team in recent years and they have had absolute quality in the 2 DM roles. O'Neill and Brilliante (and Dimitrejevic), Milligan and Valeri are just 2 recent examples. It is the engine room of every top team

In saying that I don't think Wilkshire is the answer to that problem

[The Camel]

http://footballcentral.com.au/os-aussies-market/#.WR9Y_-rSXqB


Let's get speculation going so the herald has some material.

In the Attackers in that List Duke, Yeboah and Kruse are definitely players I would like to see in Newcastle

In the Midfielders Holland, Ryan Williams, Chris Herd (although after him backing out on Perth I think there are other issues there)

And out of those defenders only James Meredith is one I would rate highly but we do not really need another left back

[Roundball Enthusiast]

We are definitely NOT good in the DM space. We have Ugar and a bunch of guys who are not A League standard. Look at every championship team in recent years and they have had absolute quality in the 2 DM roles. O'Neill and Brilliante (and Dimitrejevic), Milligan and Valeri are just 2 recent examples. It is the engine room of every top team

In saying that I don't think Wilkshire is the answer to that problem

By "good" I mean, we have plenty of players on contracts in that area. So no chance of strengthening unless we throw away $$.

[leftrightout]

In the Attackers in that List Duke, Yeboah and Kruse are definitely players I would like to see in Newcastle


:popcorn:

[borat]

We are so not signing anyone decent, bar a marquee

Mark my words, we will end up with a marquee, a stack of older unwanted a-league players.....but will have the best 2nd keeper in the league.

[plague]

We are so not signing anyone decent, bar a marquee

Mark my words, we will end up with a marquee, a stack of older unwanted a-league players.....but will have the best 2nd keeper in the league.

hashtagmovingforward

[The Camel]

I was thinking of Euopean based Aussies that may be available for loan. Chris Ikonomidis just spent half a season in Denmark. I reckon the Jets could do a lot worse than trying to get a season long loan for him.

[Frodo]

Complete speculation but i reckon we resigned Kanta because Merrick knows we won't be able to sign players better this year. Now don't take that as a compliment to Kanta but a sign that Merrick is a realist and knows that although there are better players available we don't have the ability to sign them up for our club other than paying them way more than they are worth. Which is the problem when you win more spoons than games.

I reckon we will have a small and slightly improved squad next season but aren't going to be beating clubs like Adelaide, Perth and WSW to half decent players available. I think we will be signing the Shannon Cole and La Rocca's this off season and hoping for mid table next year.
Which is amazing.. Wait, i mean terrifying! Terrifying is the word I wanted.


Here's hoping Plague is correct and those Bundesliga Giants knew what they were talking about when they took a little gander at young Benjamin. Maybe he could transition into a CB in 3-5-2 and only have to spray passes to Wingbacks and Def Mid's?

[The Dunster]

Complete speculation but i reckon we resigned Kanta because Merrick knows we won't be able to sign players better this year. Now don't take that as a compliment to Kanta but a sign that Merrick is a realist and knows that although there are better players available we don't have the ability to sign them up for our club other than paying them way more than they are worth. Which is the problem when you win more spoons than games.

I reckon we will have a small and slightly improved squad next season but aren't going to be beating clubs like Adelaide, Perth and WSW to half decent players available. I think we will be signing the Shannon Cole and La Rocca's this off season and hoping for mid table next year.
Which is amazing.. Wait, i mean terrifying! Terrifying is the word I wanted.


Here's hoping Plague is correct and those Bundesliga Giants knew what they were talking about when they took a little gander at young Benjamin. Maybe he could transition into a CB in 3-5-2 and only have to spray passes to Wingbacks and Def Mid's?

The concessions received are probably why Merrick signed Kanta - as he's going to have less impact on the cap than alternatives. Without the concessions, he'd probably be looking for a new club

As far as a improved squad I really don't know. History suggests that the gap between the haves and have not clubs gets greater every season. I think the wooden spoon is a given for the Jets - but if we can at least not make it official until the last week of the new season that will be good enough.

My standards and expectations of this club were lowered several years ago.

[StannyCFCJET]

The concessions received are probably why Merrick signed Kanta - as he's going to have less impact on the cap than alternatives. Without the concessions, he'd probably be looking for a new club

As far as a improved squad I really don't know. History suggests that the gap between the haves and have not clubs gets greater every season. I think the wooden spoon is a given for the Jets - but if we can at least not make it official until the last week of the new season that will be good enough.

My standards and expectations of this club were lowered several years ago.

Im still expecting top 6 as I do every year. What's the point in accepting defeat and expecting another spoon. Lets remain positive until the Usual Jets **** it up again and then we can abuse this basket case of a club again

[Frodo]

The concessions received are probably why Merrick signed Kanta - as he's going to have less impact on the cap than alternatives. Without the concessions, he'd probably be looking for a new club

As far as a improved squad I really don't know. History suggests that the gap between the haves and have not clubs gets greater every season. I think the wooden spoon is a given for the Jets - but if we can at least not make it official until the last wekk of the new season that will be good enough.

My standards and expectations of this club were lowered several years ago.

I think we can easily achive 7th/8th next season with almost the players we currently have signed if Merrick gets some tactics sorted out early and everyone plays to their level. Add 3 more decent signings and we should be fine to avoid the spoon next year IF Merrick gets the system right AND the players deliver.

Then, in the next off season, we would be able to attract a better calibre of player without burning the entire salary cap on a few players. In order to attract better players we need to be more attractive, we may just have to settle with a few players we don't love and get them to play to their best in order to find better replacements.

Holosko is willing to drop his wages down from marquee just to stay at sydney and play in Asia next year. That's the best thing to happen to the A league for many years and what we should aspire to. We need to improve the club/league enough so that players want to come in here to play, not just to get paid like the Cahills and Bridges and ADPs of yester year.

[Frodo]

Im still expecting top 6 as I do every year. What's the point in accepting defeat and expecting another spoon. Lets remain positive until the Usual Jets **** it up again and then we can abuse this basket case of a club again

It's up to the players/club to aim for the top 6.

We can assume they are going to be rubbish all we want. We have little-to-no impact on the playing squads ability to win games. We just foot a portion of the bill.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

I was thinking of Euopean based Aussies that may be available for loan. Chris Ikonomidis just spent half a season in Denmark. I reckon the Jets could do a lot worse than trying to get a season long loan for him.

We already have that type of role player in Clut

[StannyCFCJET]

It's up to the players/club to aim for the top 6.

We can assume they are going to be rubbish all we want. We have little-to-no impact on the playing squads ability to win games. We just foot a portion of the bill.

I have to hope the fans who Turn up every week every year make some sort of difference.

[StannyCFCJET]

We already have that type of role player in Clut

Who needs to up his game dramatically if he wants to feature under Bernie Skerrick

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Who needs to up his game dramatically if he wants to feature under Bernie Skerrick

Not to harp on and necro the dead Manager, but Bernie is a completely different Manager to Bones..

I think we'll see players used differently this season than last.

[StannyCFCJET]

Not to harp on and necro the dead Manager, but Bernie is a completely different Manager to Bones..

I think we'll see players used differently this season than last.

Yeah but when chosen Clut wasnt anymore then Average and yes I like Clut and realise Jones was inpet

[Jeterpool]

Not to harp on and necro the dead Manager, but Bernie is a completely different Manager to Bones..

I think we'll see players used differently this season than last.

Hoff is going back to striker...isn't he.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Yeah but when chosen Clut wasnt anymore then Average and yes I like Clut and realise Jones was inpet

Clut and/or Kokko & others looked shit because of the positions they were played in. And the people played around them. Hard to judge off little game time.

New season, hopefully new approach and time for these guys to step up their game significantly, regardless.

We got the spoon with the squad we had, so everyone needs to step up.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Hoff is going back to striker...isn't he.

We can only hope. :rof:

[OmeletteDuFromage]

I think we can easily achive 7th/8th next season with almost the players we currently have signed if Merrick gets some tactics sorted out early and everyone plays to their level. Add 3 more decent signings and we should be fine to avoid the spoon next year IF Merrick gets the system right AND the players deliver.

Then, in the next off season, we would be able to attract a better calibre of player without burning the entire salary cap on a few players. In order to attract better players we need to be more attractive, we may just have to settle with a few players we don't love and get them to play to their best in order to find better replacements.

Holosko is willing to drop his wages down from marquee just to stay at sydney and play in Asia next year. That's the best thing to happen to the A league for many years and what we should aspire to. We need to improve the club/league enough so that players want to come in here to play, not just to get paid like the Cahills and Bridges and ADPs of yester year.

So much for that....

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/holosko-leaves-sydney-fc-sky-blues-marquee-leaves-aleague-champions/news-story/26ccb1a3d99c1ed7f3b67bbc031513c3

[Roundball Enthusiast]

So much for that....

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/holosko-leaves-sydney-fc-sky-blues-marquee-leaves-aleague-champions/news-story/26ccb1a3d99c1ed7f3b67bbc031513c3

:lulzturtle:

So we can officially NEVER listen to anything this guy says again.

That head knock messed with him more than we first thought...

[The Dunster]

Hoff is going back to striker...isn't he.

Only if Bayern Munich are willing to loan him out to us next season. :gent:

[white city]

So it was mentioned that A.Baro is considering offers from Mariners, Jets and Adelaide>

what are everyone's thoughts on Baro, considering he will take a foreign spot, meaning our attacking third will only allow for a chinese and aussies.

[The Camel]

So it was mentioned that A.Baro is considering offers from Mariners, Jets and Adelaide>

what are everyone's thoughts on Baro, considering he will take a foreign spot, meaning our attacking third will only allow for a chinese and aussies.

I thought he was excellent for Victory and would be a great acquisition for us.

Considering the foreign thing. I guess it would depend on who we have leads on. Considering the Aussie talent seemingly available is Kruse, Burns, Holland, Yeboah, Antonis if we can fill the spots with these calibre of Aussie (big stretch considering our history I know) then it is a good signing. It also depends if the club has intentions on trying to let Kokko return home, this could possibly already be in the works meaning we have an extra foreign spot available.

[white city]

are you only speculating on Kokko or know of something. i was hoping to see him given a chance possibly in a front 2, however these days it is very unlikely seeing anyone play a front 2.

yeah as a player i would be happy with Baro, however our chances of signing 1 of those aussies you mentioned are very slim, therefore i feel we need to keep our foreign spots open for the front third.

[The Camel]

are you only speculating on Kokko or know of something. i was hoping to see him given a chance possibly in a front 2, however these days it is very unlikely seeing anyone play a front 2.

yeah as a player i would be happy with Baro, however our chances of signing 1 of those aussies you mentioned are very slim, therefore i feel we need to keep our foreign spots open for the front third.

Just speculating Re: Kokko. I just would not be surprised to see him return home during the off season.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

are you only speculating on Kokko or know of something. i was hoping to see him given a chance possibly in a front 2, however these days it is very unlikely seeing anyone play a front 2.

yeah as a player i would be happy with Baro, however our chances of signing 1 of those aussies you mentioned are very slim, therefore i feel we need to keep our foreign spots open for the front third.

Jones publicly stated the club were trying to move him on

[Grimario]

Jones publicly stated the club were trying to move him on

Yeah, in January window... and it was Jones who was punted. Ernie was pretty successful when he had a larger lump in Allsopp up front and played his best striker out wide, so maybe we will see that happen with both Roy and Kokko together.

[pv4]

Ernie was pretty successful when he had a larger lump in Allsopp up front and played his best striker out wide, so maybe we will see that happen with both Roy and Kokko together.

I thought similar until Bodi* reminded me that Allsopp was fairly mobile for a big lump, which is something that Kokko doesn't exactly seem to be.

[The Dunster]

So it was mentioned that A.Baro is considering offers from Mariners, Jets and Adelaide>

what are everyone's thoughts on Baro, considering he will take a foreign spot, meaning our attacking third will only allow for a chinese and aussies.

He was released by Melbourne Victory. Not much more to know really is there. He's either not up to their standards or he doesn't represent good value.

[pv4]

He was released by Melbourne Victory. Not much more to know really is there. He's either not up to their standards or he doesn't represent good value.

I think you'll find he got moved on so they could use visa spots for attackers, and replaced him with a pretty bloody good CB in Rhys Williams.

[Wilso8948]

He was released by Melbourne Victory. Not much more to know really is there. He's either not up to their standards or he doesn't represent good value.

Who still made the GF and are light years infront of where we are. He was replaced by an Aus CB and really squeezed out of their squad. Could do worse than take players from 1 of the top 2 squads in the league last year.

[leftrightout]

He was released by Melbourne Victory. Not much more to know really is there. He's either not up to their standards or he doesn't represent good value.

He was a centre back for the 2nd best team which had the 2nd best defence in the league.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Just speculating Re: Kokko. I just would not be surprised to see him return home during the off season.

Yeah but that surely unsettles Kokko even the tiniest bit.

[MFKS]

He was a centre back for the 2nd best team which had the 2nd best defence in the league.

Yep

So why would we want him??

I reckon our defence isnt the greatest issue.
It the midfield.

Blokes there need to be muc much better

Not NPL standard like Kanta and NPL standard like Ugarkovic and iceland standard Brown etc

Fix this area. We keep more ball and blokes there are better at taking the pressure off the backline

[Wilso8948]

Yep

So why would we want him??

I reckon our defence isnt the greatest issue.
It the midfield.

Blokes there need to be muc much better

Not NPL standard like Kanta and NPL standard like Ugarkovic and iceland standard Brown etc

Fix this area. We keep more ball and blokes there are better at taking the pressure off the backline

Because He's far better than what we have. I agree that other areas need further strengthening but don't shy away from the fact this bloke would be a huge improvement on what is there at the moment.

Why not sign him and strengthen the other areas too?

[The Dunster]

Who still made the GF and are light years infront of where we are. He was replaced by an Aus CB and really squeezed out of their squad. Could do worse than take players from 1 of the top 2 squads in the league last year.

So if he comes to the Jets will it be as a marquee signing ? Or will the club just pay him twice what Melbourne were offering him and give us more reasons to hate the club - if possible.

[The Dunster]

I think you'll find he got moved on so they could use visa spots for attackers, and replaced him with a pretty bloody good CB in Rhys Williams.

Williams was pretty ordinary at Glory.

[ForeverRed]

So it was mentioned that A.Baro is considering offers from Mariners, Jets and Adelaide>

what are everyone's thoughts on Baro, considering he will take a foreign spot, meaning our attacking third will only allow for a chinese and aussies.

way to slow

[StannyCFCJET]

Yep

So why would we want him??

I reckon our defence isnt the greatest issue.
It the midfield.

Blokes there need to be muc much better

Not NPL standard like Kanta and NPL standard like Ugarkovic and iceland standard Brown etc

Fix this area. We keep more ball and blokes there are better at taking the pressure off the backline

So your happy with only Boogs as the only experienced CB then??

[hawk]

Our backs are leaky as and is a big issue. We need a hard cvnt at DM as well a solid back 4. Then work on the attacking 5

[lquiquer]

Yep

So why would we want him??

I reckon our defence isnt the greatest issue.
It the midfield.

Blokes there need to be muc much better

Not NPL standard like Kanta and NPL standard like Ugarkovic and iceland standard Brown etc

Fix this area. We keep more ball and blokes there are better at taking the pressure off the backline

So you saying we should sign Milligan?.....and can play CB if needed....

[baldrick]

Not NPL standard like Kanta and NPL standard like Ugarkovic and iceland standard Brown etc


I'd be ok if we played like Icelanders. Hard as f*cking nails those boys.

[borat]

So your happy with only Boogs as the only experienced CB then??

Need to set your sights way lower. Merrick has been scouting players at Bentleigh Greens. Been to their last few games apparently.

[borat]

Yep

So why would we want him??

I reckon our defence isnt the greatest issue.
It the midfield.

Blokes there need to be muc much better

Not NPL standard like Kanta and NPL standard like Ugarkovic and iceland standard Brown etc

Fix this area. We keep more ball and blokes there are better at taking the pressure off the backline

Agreed

Not much point having 500k of your salary cap standing there at CB as attack after attack stream through.

I would be happy for another Jackson like Signing at CB for competition but that's all.

[leftrightout]

Agreed

Not much point having 500k of your salary cap standing there at CB as attack after attack stream through.

I would be happy for another Jackson like Signing at CB for competition but that's all.

I would like Nick Ansell, he fits your bill.

Baro is obviously a good player but i do agree that that foreign spot could be used better elsewhere on the park. There is enough quality Aussies out there that we could look at.

[Jetmaster]

Need to set your sights way lower. Merrick has been scouting players at Bentleigh Greens. Been to their last few games apparently.

That would be a good trick seeing he has been in Europe since before his appointment.

[The Camel]

That would be a good trick seeing he has been in Europe since before his appointment.

Would not matter anyway as you can use the Rookie allowance to sign an NPL player that is in excess to the 23 man squad and outside the salary cap. IE Brennan and Alwright

[borat]

That would be a good trick seeing he has been in Europe since before his appointment.
Has been back a couple of weeks at least

[Wilso8948]

Has been back a couple of weeks at least

reported he flies in tomorrow.