2020 Premier Club SAP

[Aegon]

I think anonymity of clubs makes debate surrounding any issues actually focussed on the issue at hand and what people deem acceptable or not.
Naming clubs brings in the cheap, slandering comments. Which does nothing to address issues. If you’re not happy to say what you’re saying in Facebook where people know your name, I don’t think you should be saying it here.

Focus should be on what’s working, what’s not, what’s improving players and what’s next for development with real examples.
Turning it into a dick waving contest about clubs achieves nothing.

Great post.

[londonboy]

some clubs def send around surveys for SAP parents that are pretty detailed. some of the questions are pretty specific regarding coaching and how the club is run.

not sure what they do with the info but they def ask for it. hopefully they get constructive feedback and act on it.

This is interesting - great idea I think. I love the idea of clubs engaging with their stakeholders, and hope that any constructive feedback is taken on board. SAP is still pretty new and everyone is learning, so I think its a great idea involving parents on ways to improve.

[londonboy]

Except Jaffas - 1/3 or more players in both age groups have been culled. At least they did it very early and gave parents enough time to find other clubs for their kids. Although from what I have heard the Cooks hill 10's NET team next year will have a lot of the boys from Jaffas 9's this year.

It's a shame these kids won't continue on in SAP, as I am sure some of this years weaker teams would have benefited next year from having boys who have had a year of coaching at Jaffas. Obviously these boys will continue under the guidance of RH in the NET program, but I'm sure there will be a few clubs who are disappointed not to have these boys trialling with them. At least they'll get to still play with their mates from this year.

[plague]

Except Jaffas - 1/3 or more players in both age groups have been culled. At least they did it very early and gave parents enough time to find other clubs for their kids. Although from what I have heard the Cooks hill 10's NET team next year will have a lot of the boys from Jaffas 9's this year.

Are they only running one team in 10's next year? They are def running only one 11's too yeah?

[Aegon]

Are they only running one team in 10's next year? They are def running only one 11's too yeah?

99% sure they are running one 11's team.
Running 2 x 10's teams still but 1/3 of the 18 players have not been retained for next year and have been replaced.

[Yaa Yaa]

99% sure they are running one 11's team.
Running 2 x 10's teams still but 1/3 of the 18 players have not been retained for next year and have been replaced.

That’s very harsh by them, what happened to results don’t matter and development? Seems to me Jaffa’s are all about winning if they have replaced that many.
Kids at this age are still growing and haven’t reached their potential and the kids they have cut might just develop over next year or 2 and become the better ones.
Looks to me like they went on a cutting frenzy in both grades.

[traffic light]

Yep. Seems pretty far-fetched.


Just a little lol
I swear some people in here will just make anything up to slander another club, why always pick on magic? Because they are the benchmark and keep winning?
“Winning at all cost”
how do they do that? By coaching kids to perform better? I guess everyone hates the successful clubs.

It happened and you 2 muppets obviously werent there. So before you try to protect Tragic and the win at all costs disgrace that the club is best check your facts starting with the U9s coaches.

Best you 2 idiots leave before other people start believing your lies.

[londonboy]

It happened and you 2 muppets obviously werent there.

Of course it happened mate. It was just after Harry Kane got that late winner for Weston Workers. The Magic coaches were furious because from their view (on the opposite side of the pitch) Harry Kewell was well offside. Thankfully, Sepp Blatter was there to issue everyone a red card, and we all went to the pub for a singalong. Amen.

[Duzmzn]

of course it happened mate. It was just after harry kane got that late winner for weston workers. The magic coaches were furious because from their view (on the opposite side of the pitch) harry kewell was well offside. Thankfully, sepp blatter was there to issue everyone a red card, and we all went to the pub for a singalong. Amen.

blah hahaha lololoohahaahahhhhh

[Duzmzn]

On a more constructive note, What are peoples views on SAP being Changed to 1 x 60min games with each half being 30mins. Next year. Memo from Northen.

[traffic light]

Of course it happened mate. It was just after Harry Kane got that late winner for Weston Workers. The Magic coaches were furious because from their view (on the opposite side of the pitch) Harry Kewell was well offside. Thankfully, Sepp Blatter was there to issue everyone a red card, and we all went to the pub for a singalong. Amen.

Listen to this pedo

[londonboy]

On a more constructive note, What are peoples views on SAP being Changed to 1 x 60min games with each half being 30mins. Next year. Memo from Northen.

That’s quite the change. Is this from U9s upwards? My initial thoughts are that it’s a big change, particularly for 8 year olds coming in from community football.

Does this also mean teams won’t play each other as often? The draw will be interesting.

[londonboy]

Listen to this pedo

You are too sharp and witty for me Traffic Light. I submit.

[Game_over]

On a more constructive note, What are peoples views on SAP being Changed to 1 x 60min games with each half being 30mins. Next year. Memo from Northen.

I agree with Londonboy, My son will be starting U9 SAP next year and it will be a big jump for him coming from community to now play 60min. I guess the question is, what's the benefit?

[Yaa Yaa]

It happened and you 2 muppets obviously werent there. So before you try to protect Tragic and the win at all costs disgrace that the club is best check your facts starting with the U9s coaches.

Best you 2 idiots leave before other people start believing your lies.

Hahahhah get off the glass barbie traffic light... you seem to have a malfunction and flashing yellow.

[Negative Police]

On a more constructive note, What are peoples views on SAP being Changed to 1 x 60min games with each half being 30mins. Next year. Memo from Northen.

Is this a mandate or is it to be reviewed and voted on?

And the above is ridiculous. Yes 1 Broadmeadow coach was sent for coaching on both sides of field and over zealous actions. Not sure why they'd bother. Only junior footy.

[Aegon]

On a more constructive note, What are peoples views on SAP being Changed to 1 x 60min games with each half being 30mins. Next year. Memo from Northen.

Hadn’t seen anything along these lines yet.

Hard to know what to make of it without more detail about the competition behind it. It could be good it could be bad.

[Negative Police]

Hadn’t seen anything along these lines yet.

Hard to know what to make of it without more detail about the competition behind it. It could be good it could be bad.

Cuts out the hour wait in between games which is good. Less game time all up.

[londonboy]

Cuts out the hour wait in between games which is good. Less game time all up.

Less matches is the issue for me. Based on this season I’m guessing it will go from 44 scheduled matches (2 games over 22 weeks) to 22. While kids will be playing longer matches, the different experience they get in those 44 games helps their development.

It’s unlikely that NNSWF will split the draw from the start, so you may have half of those 22 games against weaker opposition. 30 min halves could also mean some very big scores, which isn’t good for anyone.

Perhaps NNSWF might use ‘results’ from this season for u10s and u11s and do the draw based on this? It will be complete guesswork for u9s as they’ll have no idea who are the strongest and weakest teams.

Elsewhere in the world kids this age play 50-60+ games a season, with clubs constantly looking for friendly matches and tournaments to give their kids more game development. If SAP cuts back to 22 games it’s a backward step in my opinion.

Hopefully clubs will recognise this and arrange lots of midweek friendlies or SAP gala days/weekends to make up the difference.

[plague]

I'd say 1 x 60 min match is more of a logistics issue with there being another new age group to fit into the weekend.
Hopefully they group teams that are equal level to play each other and they have no byes/mandated weeks off (esp for 11's).


Remember, this program is supposed to be about the training not just the games and with a few teams heading back out to the facility next season the emphasis might be back on the teaching/teachers.

[Yaa Yaa]

Less matches is the issue for me. Based on this season I’m guessing it will go from 44 scheduled matches (2 games over 22 weeks) to 22. While kids will be playing longer matches, the different experience they get in those 44 games helps their development.

It’s unlikely that NNSWF will split the draw from the start, so you may have half of those 22 games against weaker opposition. 30 min halves could also mean some very big scores, which isn’t good for anyone.

Perhaps NNSWF might use ‘results’ from this season for u10s and u11s and do the draw based on this? It will be complete guesswork for u9s as they’ll have no idea who are the strongest and weakest teams.

Elsewhere in the world kids this age play 50-60+ games a season, with clubs constantly looking for friendly matches and tournaments to give their kids more game development. If SAP cuts back to 22 games it’s a backward step in my opinion.

Hopefully clubs will recognise this and arrange lots of midweek friendlies or SAP gala days/weekends to make up the difference.

Oh they know who the strong and weak teams are in both grades don’t worry.
In the 9s grade there is 1 lambton team, 1 Olympic team, 2 magic teams, 1 valentine team, 1 lakes team and 1 Jaffa’s team.

And I was intrigued about this coach being sent off that you speak of so I asked around,
For the record he wasn’t sent off at all, Richard Heartly had a whinge about it and looking for excuses because his boys were played off the park and was looking for someone to blame and decided to take it out on a coach for coaching on other side of field away from RH and his coaches.
So is that not allowed in under 9s?? Does it matter what side of the pitch they coach from?
Don’t get me wrong this page has some helpful things and that’s why I joined but when some of you get on here and start hammering coaches that let’s face it coach because they have a child playing and not because they make big bucks.
These coaches are required to give their weekends up and get coaching certificates, plan sessions that are up to SAP standards,
Train the kids twice a week, 2 games of a weekend and then cop shit from people on the sidelines and on forums.
If any of you can do a better job then step up, if not shut up and let the coaches coach, end of the day it’s under 9s/10s and you’re not going to get GVE or Ernie merrick coaching your kids so stop being so petty over the smallest things.
If coaches have a disagreement ok so what, if a coach gets asked to coach on other side again no biggie, let’s not be high school kids and gossip girls and blow it out of proportion and try talk about the important matters.
This isn’t just aimed at you London boy but it’s your comment I was replying to for the start of the comment is all, more aimed at traffic light and Negative police.


Enjoy the sun ☀️ It’s a nice day out ✌🏿

[Yaa Yaa]

Now I ask you parents what do you want from the program for your kids?
Do you want fun? Do you want competition? Do you want development? Value for your rego cost?

Winning comes with development, if Australia keeps going the way they are going in football we are going to fall further behind the rest of the world. Just take a look overseas, or even better have a look at Australian teams at youth level. You know they keep scores and play for trophies overseas at this age group yeah?

Do you know what happens to kids around this age group that think they are a good side and then travel for tournaments overseas? They get embarrassed that’s what, because our mentality is different to theirs, we are happy to not hurt kids feelings by not keeping scores, we are happy to not have semi finals etc, we don’t have the winning mentality of overseas countries and we are falling behind.

Kids need to learn to win and lose, it’s part of life. When they grow up and go for a job will they get the job because they tried? Or will the person that performs best get the job?
I for one don’t baby little billy after a loss, I tell him he wasn’t good enough and needs to work harder and be better, he’s not going to get a blue ribbon for trying because I don’t want to hurt his feelings.

In schools they try not to give ribbons at carnivals so kids feelings aren’t hurt, are we hurt from not winning back then dads?
But they proceed to give out awards at assembly for English and math?
So everyone’s a winner in sport but not in math and English, only the smart ones are winners hmmm

[Aegon]

Remember, this program is supposed to be about the training not just the games and with a few teams heading back out to the facility next season the emphasis might be back on the teaching/teachers.

I don't agree with this part, the training is there to support the games. The games are where the boys put into practice what they are learning and are of the most benefit in their development.

[Retired01]

[QUOTE=Yaa Yaa;229488]Now I ask you parents what do you want from the program for your kids?
Do you want fun? Do you want competition? Do you want development? Value for your rego cost?

As a parent the program should be fun but that comes from talented coaching to provide that you either have that ability or not and unfortunately my son has some weeks cranky about training or bluntness of his coach but coaches are learning too here so I need to support them too and as mentioned before I have to stand up if I could do better. I have only seen one club who manage this and they have the best teams in U10s imo. I saw one of their boys get hurt the other week and their whole team checked on him and the coach had to shoo them away when they scored it was a group celebration and tbo they cop the least baggings in this forum.
Competitiveness - I'm sick of hearing no winners or losers, the kids know and coaches play to the fact of what happened in game 1 each week. Unfortunately some kids have taken to bashing teams off the park in game 2 which I cannot confirm ids a child or coaching issue and wont go so I support 1 game next season or put some referees in there with some f**king accountability before someone gets seriously hurt for Christ sake we pay enough for the privalige of this competition.

[plague]

I don't agree with this part, the training is there to support the games. The games are where the boys put into practice what they are learning and are of the most benefit in their development.

hey look man, i aint writing the songs im just singing from the hymm book the pastor gave me when i signed up.

i think a good question on how much winning 'should' matter is how kids that were picked in the TSP this year were somehow deemed not good enough for a spot in their club team for next year. how can you be picked out as one of the top few skill wise then somehow not get a run in a team?
add to that the limited spots available in inner city teams for next year and these kids maybe wont even get a spot in the program?


its a weird one.

[plague]

In 10's this year if they had a top 4 it would not be made up of the 4 teams that play the best football.
if thats what you want to reward then ok.
im happy to let the kids develop for another 2 seasons before they get cutthroat, who knows, by then the best football might get the best results.
again, the kids know if they won or lost. the kids try to win every week.
im happy for NNSW to not have it be the 'focus' of the program.

as for 'back in my day we had finals etc'.
well guess what, we were crap at football back in those days too.

[Retired01]

i think a good question on how much winning 'should' matter is how kids that were picked in the TSP this year were somehow deemed not good enough for a spot in their club team for next year. how can you be picked out as one of the top few skill wise then somehow not get a run in a team?
add to that the limited spots available in inner city teams for next year and these kids maybe wont even get a spot in the program?


its a weird one.

If you read back in this forum you will see many comments where coaches reiterated that in their opinion the best kids weren't actually picked for TSP coaches from multiple clubs said they weren't consulted at all and they only assumed it was a political exercise of some sort. Its going to happen as it did at our club for next season and it will with others. Welcome to Newcastle football for all you newbies

[plague]

If you read back in this forum you will see many comments where coaches reiterated that in their opinion the best kids weren't actually picked for TSP coaches from multiple clubs said they weren't consulted at all and they only assumed it was a political exercise of some sort. Its going to happen as it did at our club for next season and it will with others. Welcome to Newcastle football for all you newbies

Haha fair point.

[onlooker]

I donÂ’t talk scores with my daughter, sometimes her team matches the boys some times they donÂ’t, but what I do talk to my daughter about is her accountability for her game. Being a goalkeeper we focus on how she helped her team when in possession, her positioning, her attitude and focus. We talk a lot about the individual aspects of being a goal keeper and also he role in the team..

she is 11 and playing her first year as a full time keeper and being a keeper myself IÂ’m pretty straight up with her about her games, her mother and grandparents do the coddling so they balance it out.

The reason I donÂ’t speak scores with her is for the fact some times the boys are just that much better and they can run up a score where she couldnÂ’t do much about it as long as she is doing the basics right and putting herself in the right positions then thatÂ’s all I can ask, some she will save some she wonÂ’t. Nature of the position.

Example of this on Sunday south Cardiff put a few past her in the first half she was a bit down dejected which resulted in her not doing her job to 100% of her ability.. quick chat at half time with a few things pointed out she had a much better second half and second game for that matter.

As long as she is learning each week performing better then the week before and becoming more consistent. Then IÂ’m happy with what she is getting out of this SAP program.

[Dontknowmuch]

Now I ask you parents what do you want from the program for your kids?
Do you want fun? Do you want competition? Do you want development? Value for your rego cost?

Winning comes with development, if Australia keeps going the way they are going in football we are going to fall further behind the rest of the world. Just take a look overseas, or even better have a look at Australian teams at youth level. You know they keep scores and play for trophies overseas at this age group yeah?

Do you know what happens to kids around this age group that think they are a good side and then travel for tournaments overseas? They get embarrassed thatÂ’s what, because our mentality is different to theirs, we are happy to not hurt kids feelings by not keeping scores, we are happy to not have semi finals etc, we donÂ’t have the winning mentality of overseas countries and we are falling behind.

Kids need to learn to win and lose, itÂ’s part of life. When they grow up and go for a job will they get the job because they tried? Or will the person that performs best get the job?
I for one donÂ’t baby little billy after a loss, I tell him he wasnÂ’t good enough and needs to work harder and be better, heÂ’s not going to get a blue ribbon for trying because I donÂ’t want to hurt his feelings.

In schools they try not to give ribbons at carnivals so kids feelings arenÂ’t hurt, are we hurt from not winning back then dads?
But they proceed to give out awards at assembly for English and math?
So everyoneÂ’s a winner in sport but not in math and English, only the smart ones are winners hmmm


What a load of dribble this post is.

This is nothing more than a parent who wants to put their kid up on a pedestal at the youngest age possible for their own benefits.

Kids know who wins and who loses, you don't need a table or 'play for trophies' to make kids better footballers or to prevent Australia from falling further down the world rankings. Its parents like the Magic coach they have been discussing on this forum that are the reason why we can't have competition winners in this country at a young age. Too many parents make it about themselves rather than the kids, its unfortunate but a reality that isn't going to change.

Let your kids play as much as possible, encourage them and keep challenging them the rest will work its self out.

[Yaa Yaa]

Well at least you got your forum name right because clearly you don’t know much 😉


And the other comment about we weren’t that good “back in our day”? quarter finals in the 2006 World Cup wasn’t too shabby, most of the team playing EPL compared to how many now? Yeah maybe do a little study before you reply with silly uneducated comments.

[plague]

Well at least you got your forum name right because clearly you don’t know much 😉


And the other comment about we weren’t that good “back in our day”? quarter finals in the 2006 World Cup wasn’t too shabby, most of the team playing EPL compared to how many now? Yeah maybe do a little study before you reply with silly uneducated comments.

Did you just put 'Do a little study' right next to 'quarter finals in the 2006 World Cup'.

Looks like ill need to book a table for 2 at the library.

[Dontknowmuch]

[QUOTE=Yaa Yaa;229507]Well at least you got your forum name right because clearly you don’t know much 😉


Is that It?

Must have hit the nail on the head then.

Take my advice Yaa Yaa there will be plenty of time to tell your mates how many trophies your kid wins once they get to 12's

[Yaa Yaa]

Quarters, last 16 same thing.
You get the drift, I’ll try be more specific for you Next time cobber 😉

[plague]

Quarters, last 16 same thing.
You get the drift, I’ll try be more specific for you Next time cobber ��

but even then, you say winning is important at U/9 level, but here you are celebrating not winning. which is it?

but your point isnt without merit as far as that 'golden generation' is concerned. they were truly great players, but how did they get there? it always seems it was done at the club/individual level. and the shitshow that is the FFA has failed terribly since then to find the next generation and the one after that and the one after that, all of whom should be better than their predecessors.

we went from 74 to 06 with nothing to show, and although we keep qualifying are we any better now?

im happy for the governing body to overhaul a system that wasnt working. we might not agree with parts of it, but you only have to look at Germany and Japan as far as organisations that put forward big bold long term plans. both of their programs are working, heres hoping ours does too.

[Yaa Yaa]

but even then, you say winning is important at U/9 level, but here you are celebrating not winning. which is it?

but your point isnt without merit as far as that 'golden generation' is concerned. they were truly great players, but how did they get there? it always seems it was done at the club/individual level. and the shitshow that is the FFA has failed terribly since then to find the next generation and the one after that and the one after that, all of whom should be better than their predecessors.

we went from 74 to 06 with nothing to show, and although we keep qualifying are we any better now?

im happy for the governing body to overhaul a system that wasnt working. we might not agree with parts of it, but you only have to look at Germany and Japan as far as organisations that put forward big bold long term plans. both of their programs are working, heres hoping ours does too.

Come on now let’s be a little realistic, we won’t be winning the World Cup anytime soon because In Australia we don’t put football/soccer 1st, too many sports to compete with. But why are we not producing any more EPL stars since that generation? Maybe Mooy who’s not really setting the place on fire. Sad to see

I feel winning and loosing is important as kids learn to win and fail at same time, prepares them for the real world.
Opinions are like assholes I guess we all have them 👌

[plague]

Come on now let’s be a little realistic, we won’t be winning the World Cup anytime soon because In Australia we don’t put football/soccer 1st, too many sports to compete with. But why are we not producing any more EPL stars since that generation? Maybe Mooy who’s not really setting the place on fire. Sad to see

I feel winning and loosing is important as kids learn to win and fail at same time, prepares them for the real world.
Opinions are like assholes I guess we all have them ��


agree we wont be winning it anytime soon, but Japan has a 100 year plan to win everything. its an amazing undertaking, and already paying off in the womens game and their national league (which were all part of the same plan).
i think everyone in this discussion agrees that winning and losing is an important part of life, but im happy for NNSW to not make it the 'focus' of the program in those early years.



as for no EPL stars, totally agree, but dont forget we have Daniel Arzani who according to many is the greatest player in the history of football. lets hope the SAP program unearths 1000 little Arzanis every year to take the footballing world by storm.
now excuse me while i smoke some more of this crack..........

[The Dunster]

Come on now let’s be a little realistic, we won’t be winning the World Cup anytime soon because In Australia we don’t put football/soccer 1st, too many sports to compete with. But why are we not producing any more EPL stars since that generation? Maybe Mooy who’s not really setting the place on fire. Sad to see

I feel winning and loosing is important as kids learn to win and fail at same time, prepares them for the real world.
Opinions are like assholes I guess we all have them ��

There's not as much incentive to be the best anymore because you can make a very comfortable living in the A-League. In the past there was no grey area - you either made it as a player overseas or you played part time in Australia and worked 9 to 5 to pay your bills.

[Duzmzn]

That’s quite the change. Is this from U9s upwards? My initial thoughts are that it’s a big change, particularly for 8 year olds coming in from community football.

Does this also mean teams won’t play each other as often? The draw will be interesting.

Yes to your questions. It is only a proposal at the moment because more teams and players and not enough grounds.

[Negative Police]

Oh they know who the strong and weak teams are in both grades don’t worry.
In the 9s grade there is 1 lambton team, 1 Olympic team, 2 magic teams, 1 valentine team, 1 lakes team and 1 Jaffa’s team.

And I was intrigued about this coach being sent off that you speak of so I asked around,
For the record he wasn’t sent off at all, Richard Heartly had a whinge about it and looking for excuses because his boys were played off the park and was looking for someone to blame and decided to take it out on a coach for coaching on other side of field away from RH and his coaches.
So is that not allowed in under 9s?? Does it matter what side of the pitch they coach from?
Don’t get me wrong this page has some helpful things and that’s why I joined but when some of you get on here and start hammering coaches that let’s face it coach because they have a child playing and not because they make big bucks.
These coaches are required to give their weekends up and get coaching certificates, plan sessions that are up to SAP standards,
Train the kids twice a week, 2 games of a weekend and then cop shit from people on the sidelines and on forums.
If any of you can do a better job then step up, if not shut up and let the coaches coach, end of the day it’s under 9s/10s and you’re not going to get GVE or Ernie merrick coaching your kids so stop being so petty over the smallest things.
If coaches have a disagreement ok so what, if a coach gets asked to coach on other side again no biggie, let’s not be high school kids and gossip girls and blow it out of proportion and try talk about the important matters.
This isn’t just aimed at you London boy but it’s your comment I was replying to for the start of the comment is all, more aimed at traffic light and Negative police.


How can kids have fun as you like to pretend but have 2 coaches barking orders. ridiculous. Just let them play and theyll work it out.

For the new system how about teams play 1 team for 30 mins at half time the teams swap.

[Negative Police]

In schools they try not to give ribbons at carnivals so kids feelings aren’t hurt, are we hurt from not winning back then dads?
But they proceed to give out awards at assembly for English and math?

Wrong again. Ribbons for 1st 2nd 3rd. Champion sports people get a trophy.

[Negative Police]

I donÂ’t talk scores with my daughter, sometimes her team matches the boys some times they donÂ’t, but what I do talk to my daughter about is her accountability for her game. Being a goalkeeper we focus on how she helped her team when in possession, her positioning, her attitude and focus. We talk a lot about the individual aspects of being a goal keeper and also he role in the team..

The reason I donÂ’t speak scores with her is for the fact some times the boys are just that much better and they can run up a score where she couldnÂ’t do much about it as long as she is doing the basics right and putting herself in the right positions then thatÂ’s all I can ask, some she will save some she wonÂ’t. Nature of the position.

As long as she is learning each week performing better then the week before and becoming more consistent. Then IÂ’m happy with what she is getting out of this SAP program.
yep


What a load of dribble this post is.

This is nothing more than a parent who wants to put their kid up on a pedestal at the youngest age possible for their own benefits.

Kids know who wins and who loses, you don't need a table or 'play for trophies' to make kids better footballers or to prevent Australia from falling further down the world rankings. Its parents like the Magic coach they have been discussing on this forum that are the reason why we can't have competition winners in this country at a young age. Too many parents make it about themselves rather than the kids, its unfortunate but a reality that isn't going to change.

Let your kids play as much as possible, encourage them and keep challenging them the rest will work its self out.

Spot on

[Duzmzn]

agree we wont be winning it anytime soon, but Japan has a 100 year plan to win everything. its an amazing undertaking, and already paying off in the womens game and their national league (which were all part of the same plan).
i think everyone in this discussion agrees that winning and losing is an important part of life, but im happy for NNSW to not make it the 'focus' of the program in those early years.



as for no EPL stars, totally agree, but dont forget we have Daniel Arzani who according to many is the greatest player in the history of football. lets hope the SAP program unearths 1000 little Arzanis every year to take the footballing world by storm.
now excuse me while i smoke some more of this crack..........

You better put that Crack through a sifter so you dont get any crap in it.

[Onehunglow]

Oh they know who the strong and weak teams are in both grades don’t worry.
In the 9s grade there is 1 lambton team, 1 Olympic team, 2 magic teams, 1 valentine team, 1 lakes team and 1 Jaffa’s team.

And I was intrigued about this coach being sent off that you speak of so I asked around,
For the record he wasn’t sent off at all, Richard Heartly had a whinge about it and looking for excuses because his boys were played off the park and was looking for someone to blame and decided to take it out on a coach for coaching on other side of field away from RH and his coaches.
So is that not allowed in under 9s?? Does it matter what side of the pitch they coach from?
Don’t get me wrong this page has some helpful things and that’s why I joined but when some of you get on here and start hammering coaches that let’s face it coach because they have a child playing and not because they make big bucks.
These coaches are required to give their weekends up and get coaching certificates, plan sessions that are up to SAP standards,
Train the kids twice a week, 2 games of a weekend and then cop shit from people on the sidelines and on forums.
If any of you can do a better job then step up, if not shut up and let the coaches coach, end of the day it’s under 9s/10s and you’re not going to get GVE or Ernie merrick coaching your kids so stop being so petty over the smallest things.
If coaches have a disagreement ok so what, if a coach gets asked to coach on other side again no biggie, let’s not be high school kids and gossip girls and blow it out of proportion and try talk about the important matters.
This isn’t just aimed at you London boy but it’s your comment I was replying to for the start of the comment is all, more aimed at traffic light and Negative police.


Enjoy the sun ☀️ It’s a nice day out ✌🏿
Well said, the next lot of NPL parents look like they'll be as amped up as the current lot. Calm down and enjoy watching your kids play and don't forget, coaches and TD's from all clubs talk amongst themselves. Over zealous parents are our favourite subject and if you carry on like a perpetual dick, we won't hesitate move your kid on. We'll just find another one.

[Yaa Yaa]

Well said, the next lot of NPL parents look like they'll be as amped up as the current lot. Calm down and enjoy watching your kids play and don't forget, coaches and TD's from all clubs talk amongst themselves. Over zealous parents are our favourite subject and if you carry on like a perpetual dick, we won't hesitate move your kid on. We'll just find another one.

Exactly, and totally agree.

It’s because most of them are trying to live through their kids.
I see it happen all the time and like I said previously, unless you think you can do a better job and step up then sit down and shut up.
I don’t think I’ve seen many kids that play SAP at the moment have fathers that made it as footballers, so unless you are Robbie Middleby who’s son plays SAP locally zip it because you have done f&$k all in the game just like me, hence why I don’t go criticising my sons coach, or the opposing coach.
You’re a spectator and there’s a reason why you’re behind the fence.

On that note it’s the last weekend of SAP and I for one am glad the break is coming, what will some of you obsessed dads do now in the off season without having a coach or club to bag because your poor son lost to a better team? Oh wait the kids are probably signed up for cricket or touch footy which I’m sure you can gossip about 🤦*♂️

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[Aegon]

And I was intrigued about this coach being sent off that you speak of so I asked around,
For the record he wasn’t sent off at all, Richard Heartly had a whinge about it and looking for excuses because his boys were played off the park and was looking for someone to blame and decided to take it out on a coach for coaching on other side of field away from RH and his coaches.

I've been at the Jaffas v Magic games this year and didn't even notice this incident.

And to be fair, RH tells his own teams coaches not to coach from the sidelines. He ran a trial game between Olympic and Jaffas a couple of weeks ago where he banished all the coaches from the sidelines so the kids could step up and make their own decisions (good or bad) and talk between themselves on the field to organise themselves.

It was a big ask for 8-10 year olds but I think it is way more beneficial than having coaches on both sides of the field (which 1 of the magic teams has done both times we played them) barking out instructions constantly to the boys on the field.

[Aegon]

Now I ask you parents what do you want from the program for your kids?
Do you want fun? Do you want competition? Do you want development? Value for your rego cost?

I want my son to enjoy his football, to be well coached and for him to show continued improvement in his game.

Luckily all 3 of the above were achieved this year. Both Jaffas 9's coaches seem like great blokes who have a good rapport with the kids.

My biggest concern before he started in SAP was that it may be too much football and that he would lose his enjoyment. The opposite ended up occuring as all he cares about is football. He's either kicking the ball around the house or outside, playing with his match attax cards, playing FIFA on PS, watching games or highlights or asking me constant questions about who the top 5 midfielders are in the world, etc, etc.

It drives the wife mad but I am happy to support him doing something he loves. If he loses his love for the game I'd let him stop playing or go play another sport in a heart beat.

My criticisms of this program are not to do with coaching, results, etc but more to do with poor planning and preparation from Northern. The draws were very late before the season and at the half way point. There are pointless weekends off the cater for other programs, a lack of oversight at speers point and not having the balls to step up and come up with a clear direction for consistent approaches to the program by the clubs. Too many decisions are left for individual clubs to determine themselves which results in clubs having balanced teams, A & B teams, 1 or 2 teams and not providing proper game leaders, etc, etc.

I also haven't witnessed any poor parent behavior throughout this whole first season, the only real issues I have seen at all have been by coaches/managers criticizing the game leaders.

[Aegon]

Yes to your questions. It is only a proposal at the moment because more teams and players and not enough grounds.

I thought this was going to be an issue - but with the Jets Youth moving to Hunter Sports High I wonder if the LMRFF will have more ground availability to support the increased number of teams.

[londonboy]

I want my son to enjoy his football, to be well coached and for him to show continued improvement in his game.

Luckily all 3 of the above were achieved this year. Both Jaffas 9's coaches seem like great blokes who have a good rapport with the kids.

I agree with this for my son also. My boy has loved every minute of SAP and has had great coaching throughout. His coaches genuinely care about the kids development and seem good blokes as well. My impressions of all the coaches across the board is that every single one of them are doing their best, which I have no doubt the vast majority of parents appreciate.

[/QUOTE] My criticisms of this program are not to do with coaching, results, etc but more to do with poor planning and preparation from Northern. The draws were very late before the season and at the half way point. There are pointless weekends off the cater for other programs, a lack of oversight at speers point and not having the balls to step up and come up with a clear direction for consistent approaches to the program by the clubs. Too many decisions are left for individual clubs to determine themselves which results in clubs having balanced teams, A & B teams, 1 or 2 teams and not providing proper game leaders, etc, etc. [/QUOTE]

I think this is fair enough as well. Apart from some of the recent stuff, my take on this forum is that most of the posts are around peoples observations on SAP and ways for NNSWF to improve. I see no issue if people see something they don't like about how NNSWF run SAP and air it, as long as its constructive. I think most people on here take that approach, and the majority will try and offer up some type of solution or ideas to improve things. Some are good, some less so, but ultimately I just think it shows people care and want this thing to work.

[londonboy]

asking me constant questions about who the top 5 midfielders are in the world, etc, etc.

Did Matt Ridenton make the top 5??

[londonboy]

I thought this was going to be an issue - but with the Jets Youth moving to Hunter Sports High I wonder if the LMRFF will have more ground availability to support the increased number of teams.

Perhaps they will consider midweek matches, maybe for the older age groups? It might mean clubs having to move training days around, but could be workable.

[plague]

I don’t think I’ve seen many kids that play SAP at the moment have fathers that made it as footballers, so unless you are Robbie Middleby who’s son plays SAP locally zip it because you have done f&$k all in the game just like me, hence why I don’t go criticising my sons coach, or the opposing coach.


So you're the guy who never comments on food at a restaurant, or your political leaders, or the fortunes of the Jets (well I guess Robbie Middleby is also very qualified there too). Funnliy i do see a lot of parents who are ex-NSL or NPL players. Its pretty funny seeing kids find out their teammates dad played top level football, its like they've just seen a dinosaur in the flesh for the first time.

Like it or not, parents are stakeholders. They are asked to pay a good amount of money and give up time to help support the program (fundraisers, ground duties, reffing, scheduling work around getting their kids to training and games). I agree with the point of not bagging techniques of the coaches, but apart from one or two on here no one is going after them. Old mate who wanted a go a the Magic coach on the 'wrong' sideline just wanted a go at that club. His gripe has nothing to do with SAP.
(besides, ive seen multiple teams have coaches on both sides of the park, ive seen coaches videoing games, none of it has ever bothered anyone).


I agree with Aegon that most of the frustration has been with NNSW as far as scheduling/long term planning has been concerned.
Again, i dont see too many people bagging individuals, or clubs (unless they had a pre-arranged bias) and i certainly dont see any on here screaming about how their little Johnny is gonna be the next Joel Griffiths and that your little Johnny isnt even good enough for the gypos.

[Aegon]

Did Matt Ridenton make the top 5??

He doesn't make top 5 at the jets :)

[Jim]

Exactly, and totally agree.

It’s because most of them are trying to live through their kids.
I see it happen all the time and like I said previously, unless you think you can do a better job and step up then sit down and shut up.
I don’t think I’ve seen many kids that play SAP at the moment have fathers that made it as footballers, so unless you are Robbie Middleby who’s son plays SAP locally zip it because you have done f&$k all in the game just like me, hence why I don’t go criticising my sons coach, or the opposing coach.
You’re a spectator and there’s a reason why you’re behind the fence.

On that note it’s the last weekend of SAP and I for one am glad the break is coming, what will some of you obsessed dads do now in the off season without having a coach or club to bag because your poor son lost to a better team? Oh wait the kids are probably signed up for cricket or touch footy which I’m sure you can gossip about 🤦*♂️

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You are closest thing to the parent you've described above.

What idiot regards a parents playing days to their sons ability. No need to answer.

Ive seen fantastic talent from non playing dads. Its amazing. Can you get anything right

[Yaa Yaa]

You are closest thing to the parent you've described above.

What idiot regards a parents playing days to their sons ability. No need to answer.

Ive seen fantastic talent from non playing dads. Its amazing. Can you get anything right

Well haven’t you misread the comment dumbo.
Who’s comparing the parents playing days to sons ability idiot? I said unless the parents know more about football and coaching than the COACH sit down and shut up and don’t bag him.
But carry on dumbo I mean Jimbo 🤦*♂️

[londonboy]

http://www.westonfc.com.au/index.php/news/1512-calling-all-coaches

Weston have created a coaching academy, for all new or experienced coaches to gain experience under their TD and NPL coaches. It doesn’t seem to be exclusive to only coaches at Weston either.

[Jim]

Well haven’t you misread the comment dumbo.
Who’s comparing the parents playing days to sons ability idiot? I said unless the parents know more about football and coaching than the COACH sit down and shut up and don’t bag him.
But carry on dumbo I mean Jimbo ��*♂️
Yes you did, "If parents arent Middleby shutup". Did you finish school?

What a great parent. Docs should pay you visit. You need mental help. As many on here have noticed you are a jerk. Leave already.

[Yaa Yaa]

Yes you did, "If parents arent Middleby shutup". Did you finish school?

What a great parent. Docs should pay you visit. You need mental help. As many on here have noticed you are a jerk. Leave already.

Ohhhh come on Jimmy

Did you read the whole comment or just the words you could understand?

Maybe I’m still at school.

It’s not funny making jokes about mental illness, your nasty comment could make me very upset and I could hurt myself so don’t be a bully Jim, were you bullied at school Jim? I think you were Jim, but I’ll be your mate Jim, just don’t call me a jerk okay Jim.
We good Jim? Are you still there Jim?

Can’t believe you want my kids taken off me because I said parents shouldn’t abuse coaches if they don’t have a football background, that’s a bit harsh Jim, I like my kids Jim and don’t want Doc’s to take them Jim. You’re a mean person Jim.
Is Jim your real name? Or is it Jimmy?

Jimmy the joker 🃏

[Bremsstrahlung]

Boring.

[traffic light]

yaayaa cant handle being hated lol.

[Negative Police]

more to do with poor planning and preparation from Northern. The draws were very late before the season and at the half way point. There are pointless weekends off the cater for other programs, a lack of oversight at speers point and not having the balls to step up and come up with a clear direction for consistent approaches to the program by the clubs. Too many decisions are left for individual clubs to determine themselves which results in clubs having balanced teams, A & B teams, 1 or 2 teams and not providing proper game leaders, etc, etc.

And now a rumour, no evidence as yet as Northern wont let us know until the week before, that there may one game per week adds to the unkown.

Having a weak B squad is a revenue raiser

[YewYew]

And now a rumour, no evidence as yet as Northern wont let us know until the week before, that there may one game per week adds to the unkown.

Having a weak B squad is a revenue raiser

My boy will play at a club with only 1 SAP team next yr. u9. Who decides if a club has only 1 team? Why wouldn’t all clubs have 2 teams to get the revenue?

[Aegon]

And now a rumour, no evidence as yet as Northern wont let us know until the week before, that there may one game per week adds to the unkown.

Having a weak B squad is a revenue raiser

One game per week? TBH as much as I think more games is better for the boys development, The gap between games is a bloody nightmare the quality of gameplay is nearly always worse from both teams in the 2nd game. Maybe 1x 60min game would be better? Who knows?

The thing I can’t wait to see is if northern change it to 1 game rather than 2 will they reduce their fees for less game time? I doubt it.

[Aegon]

My boy will play at a club with only 1 SAP team next yr. u9. Who decides if a club has only 1 team? Why wouldn’t all clubs have 2 teams to get the revenue?


Each club decides. Some clubs cant attract enough good players to field 2 teams. Other clubs field 2 teams with A & B squads which I think is rubbish and and obvious revenue raiser. I’d rather see a club with 1 decent team than 2 average ones or a terrible B squad.

To be completely honest. I think all clubs should have 1 team.

[plague]

Each club decides. Some clubs cant attract enough good players to field 2 teams. Other clubs field 2 teams with A & B squads which I think is rubbish and and obvious revenue raiser. I’d rather see a club with 1 decent team than 2 average ones or a terrible B squad.

To be completely honest. I think all clubs should have 1 team.

i think the issue here is that by U/13's, clubs need to have one squad of maybe 15-16 kids for NPL youth. If they go the next 2 years with one SAP squad of 9 or 10 kids, where do these extra players come from?
if all inner city clubs do this you are going to be looking for maybe 50-60 kids to fill NPL squads and it will come from kids outside the SAP system. If SAP is supposed to be the premier program then only having half your NPL squad filled with SAP kids probably lowers the overall skill level of NPL.

as someone who saw the A and B squad thing happen this year, it was tough on the B kids. but in 2 years time (if they hang in there*) they should still have superior skills to other kids their age and should also be more qualified to play NPL.

the clubs that dont have an official A and B team prob arent gonna mix up their squads next year in the name of parity. they have kids that play well together and i agree they should stick together.


*have been told our club is retaining 95% of the kids from SAP this year. they want to see these kids improve, and resisted the temptation to go out and 'strengthen' the B team. i think the act of loyalty is awesome, and it may result in some further bad results next year. but by 13's, they'll have 20 kids with 3 or 4 years of SAP training to go forward with.

plenty of people know the Jaffas have only one team next year. so where do they think the rest of their 13's will come from when the time for more players is upon them?

[plague]

One game per week? TBH as much as I think more games is better for the boys development, The gap between games is a bloody nightmare the quality of gameplay is nearly always worse from both teams in the 2nd game. Maybe 1x 60min game would be better? Who knows?

The thing I can’t wait to see is if northern change it to 1 game rather than 2 will they reduce their fees for less game time? I doubt it.

1 x 60min game will be better for them anyway. agreed the break kills them. most weeks its one training run and 1 x competitive match anyway.
do the draw, pit club against club, and let the team coaches decide which team plays which on the day.

[Negative Police]

Each club decides. Some clubs cant attract enough good players to field 2 teams. Other clubs field 2 teams with A & B squads which I think is rubbish and and obvious revenue raiser. I’d rather see a club with 1 decent team than 2 average ones or a terrible B squad.

To be completely honest. I think all clubs should have 1 team.

1 team would be good but if 2 competitive teams can be had then ok.

As i suggested earlier if 4 teams are together on hub day have 1 60 min game and have teams swap at half time.

24 rounds and less weekends off, only the middle of school hols. Washouts give a rest.

[Onyatoes]

1 x 60min game will be better for them anyway. agreed the break kills them. most weeks its one training run and 1 x competitive match anyway.
do the draw, pit club against club, and let the team coaches decide which team plays which on the day. I have just spent 15mins I won't get back reading the shite within these threads from dick parents espousing their views on Junior football. You will all look back at the comments in a couple of years after Little Johnny gets cut or becomes tired of it or probably once NNSW Football or Jets or whoever pulls the rug out from underneath you and feel rather embarrassed that you a) gave opinion on something devoid of knowledge or fact or....b) invested so much time to eventually kid your kid to an NPL club where he gets flicked at 18. Give them a ball, find a park and some like minded kids and let them play. Stop living your lives through your kids. Stop listening to Gospels from people like Richard Hartley or some other anonymous TD. The comments here are friggin hilarious.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Bit harsh (don’t know if plagues snippet was just the last comment or if you’re quoting him as an example), there is is some constructive conversation and a good portion of comments are aimed at what works well and what doesn’t.
Parents are entitled to care and the general football community should care how these programs are operating and if they are working. Constant evolution and improvement is desired outcome in any setting and this is no different.
The whole local forum is a place for like minded people to discuss things. As long as the comments are not defaming, personal vendettas from faceless keyboard warriors I don’t have a problem with what is being discussed. We can be talking about AA H grade or under 15s D grade or NPL First grade, whatever. If something isn’t of interest to you, don’t bother reading or commenting. But I think I speak for many when I say I don’t want to be reading 2+ keyboard warriors having personal attacks at each other or their clubs, take it to Facebook.

[Onehunglow]

I have just spent 15mins I won't get back reading the shite within these threads from dick parents espousing their views on Junior football. You will all look back at the comments in a couple of years after Little Johnny gets cut or becomes tired of it or probably once NNSW Football or Jets or whoever pulls the rug out from underneath you and feel rather embarrassed that you a) gave opinion on something devoid of knowledge or fact or....b) invested so much time to eventually kid your kid to an NPL club where he gets flicked at 18. Give them a ball, find a park and some like minded kids and let them play. Stop living your lives through your kids. Stop listening to Gospels from people like Richard Hartley or some other anonymous TD. The comments here are friggin hilarious.


If you do your home work you'll see that "people like Richard Hartley" had a major hand in the early junior and youth development of Ben Kantarovski, James Virgili, Jacob Pepper and Jason Hoffman.

[Onyatoes]

If you do your home work you'll see that "people like Richard Hartley" had a major hand in the early junior and youth development of Ben Kantarovski, James Virgili, Jacob Pepper and Jason Hoffman.
And.......... a list of kids in their dozens whom he broke in two who were all just as good if not better. Not just Richard, he is a good coach in the main but there are many who are better than him locally. Just let kids play and leave the experts to their mirrors and their egos. Football has gone backwards since the whole curriculum rubbish was thrust upon zones and associations via the Dutch revolution of Han Berger. We are experiencing the outcome of that when our Joey's lose to Myanmar and Socceroos cannot beat Thailand. Local football is a blip on the radar nationally and a microscopic dust particle internationally. They are spending millions in India and China and with A League clubs controlling broadcast revenues now, the FFA will need to fund international programs via........the kids.....again. I hope all are savvy enough to ensure you get value. I will bail out of this forum now, good advice. My kids have moved on and playing at good clubs in good programs. I just sit away from the fabricated football experts each season.

[plague]

wait, isnt this you?


Same old story for The Jets. Owned the game and couldnt capitalise. I know it may appear that I am carrying an agenda but when they are paid to play I figure footballers are open to criticism. I will lighten the load and add a little anonymity. Whichever NZ international passed that ball back to Melb for Troisi to slot home a pearler should not play again. He is off the pace, one dimensional and not a professional footballers ass. He is to The Jets what Robbie Krusre is to The Socceroos. Just sayin. #RidentinOUT



so what you're saying is that we need to pay these SAP kids in order to be critical?


personally i think we should just give the Jets a ball and let them play.
thankfully i havent wasted 15 mins of my time reading dick spectators espousing their views on A-League football.

all i can suggest is that you stay very very clear of the birds and tennis thread homie because its gonna really cause you some heartache.


good day sir.

[plague]

seriously though dude just dont read the thread. the internets a big place. you dont need the stress.
if you feel the need to single out my post on the length of the game as some sort of example of out of control parents then you prob need to express what your real gripe with me is.

[Negative Police]

Dude thinks parents have no idea how ordinary their kids are. Maybe we are surprised they can do something ok. Maybe except one who thinks its important to win every week.

There's no delusions that theyll make it to the heights of ZPL. But most of the chat that you read was how the program can operate more efficiently for the local masses. The only talk about "elitism" was what coaching skills or training kids may need. Hearsay nothing else.

There's no Armageddon or future. Just beautiful unemployment because everyone will have a degree for no jobs. Itll be 8 hours of gaming, some soft drugs (kids over 12) and 3 hours of football a week. Then we can return to physical long ball as it will still be Australia's best chance to get somewhere.

Happy with reality?

[Game_over]

I've been following this thread for a few weeks now and while there are some comments that are a bit over the top, for the most part I've found it valuable. As a new parent entering into the world SAP with my son it has been helpful to hear some of the ups and downs before the start of the season.

We are really happy with the club we chose, and while I have no disillusions that my son is the next Ronaldo or Messi, I do know that I want to give him every opportunity to be the best possible footballer he can be. At this point in time I think the SAP program is the best option we have, its not perfect but its something.

I think written comments about parents trying to live through their children or negative comments about specific coaches or TD's just brings the level of discussion down, and I think as adults we can be better than that.

[Aegon]

I've been following this thread for a few weeks now and while there are some comments that are a bit over the top, for the most part I've found it valuable. As a new parent entering into the world SAP with my son it has been helpful to hear some of the ups and downs before the start of the season.

We are really happy with the club we chose, and while I have no disillusions that my son is the next Ronaldo or Messi, I do know that I want to give him every opportunity to be the best possible footballer he can be. At this point in time I think the SAP program is the best option we have, its not perfect but its something.

I think written comments about parents trying to live through their children or negative comments about specific coaches or TD's just brings the level of discussion down, and I think as adults we can be better than that.

Best of luck to Junior in his first year of SAP, I hope he enjoys it as much as my own son has.

[londonboy]

I also heard Cooks Hill were looking at entering an u9 team.

It turns out Cooks Hill are having an U9 SAP team next year. Trials at No.4 Sportsground Wednesday 18 September.

[Negative Police]

Looks like the 30 min halves is going ahead for 2020. Only 1 game.

Thats 25% less game time unless they add in a couple of rounds

[londonboy]

Looks like the 30 min halves is going ahead for 2020. Only 1 game.

Thats 25% less game time unless they add in a couple of rounds

With a bit of reflection I’m starting to think the one, longer game per week might be better than the two games. The 40 min break always meant the second game took a while to get going, and having only one game to focus on may prove a better for the kids.

I’d still love to see every team play against each other, regardless of club affiliation. If there are 25% less games there has to be scope for additional matches at some point, and having those clubs with two good teams playing against each other can only make SAP better.

Would occasionally having midweek games at Speers Point instead of training be a bad thing? If the Emerging Jets are going elsewhere you’d assume they’ll be pitch availability. It might also provide some opportunity for the NNSWF coaches to be more actively involved with the clubs who choose not to train at Speers Point. Perhaps occasional midweek rounds could be earmarked as “observation games” or something similar?

[YewYew]

I’d still love to see every team play against each other, regardless of club affiliation. If there are 25% less games there has to be scope for additional matches at some point, and having those clubs with two good teams playing against each other can only make SAP better

all teams in the comp don’t play each other? In community you get club team blue vs club team red. Why not in Sap?

[Negative Police]

all teams in the comp don’t play each other? In community you get club team blue vs club team red. Why not in Sap?

nope. Some clubs played each other 3 times and some not at all. In the first round there were double ups before all teams played.

Fixtures bloke not bright. The second round saw some teams pitted against equal strength teams.

[The Dunster]

I don't get the opposition to kids playing a 30 min half. The Jets A-league squad has been playing 30 min halves for the past seven seasons.

[Retired01]

nope. Some clubs played each other 3 times and some not at all. In the first round there were double ups before all teams played.

Fixtures bloke not bright. The second round saw some teams pitted against equal strength teams.

I have limited knowledge of the whole situation but IMO the clubs let down the "fixtures bloke" The comp was split into 2 sections and within the stronger competition many clubs then had an A and B team. That then led to 1 competitive game and 1 game where you would get 10 - 15 goals scored against that weaker side
We are not all lucky like Olympic and Magic to have 20 strong kids but the clubs are causing just as many issues and IMO letting parents and kids down.

[Aegon]

I have limited knowledge of the whole situation but IMO the clubs let down the "fixtures bloke" The comp was split into 2 sections and within the stronger competition many clubs then had an A and B team. That then led to 1 competitive game and 1 game where you would get 10 - 15 goals scored against that weaker side
We are not all lucky like Olympic and Magic to have 20 strong kids but the clubs are causing just as many issues and IMO letting parents and kids down.

Not even just that.

I think the point Londonboy was trying to make is that club teams do not play each other and there were several clubs that you don't play at all.

In the first half of the draw Jr's team played 2 teams twice.

By the time the draw finished they had played 4 teams 3x, 2 teams 2x, a couple of teams once without playing some of the teams at all.

[Dontknowmuch]

Not even just that.

I think the point Londonboy was trying to make is that club teams do not play each other and there were several clubs that you don't play at all.

In the first half of the draw Jr's team played 2 teams twice.

By the time the draw finished they had played 4 teams 3x, 2 teams 2x, a couple of teams once without playing some of the teams at all.

Why is it a concern who your kids team is playing. Its just development it's not a competition, the kids don't care who they do or don't play, if they do it's only because of the garbage they have heard coming out of their parents or coaches mouths. Just worry about them playing each weekend not who they are playing. If clubs want their own teams to play against each other do it every training session. It's not a competition you don't have to play each team the same amount of times.

Let NNSW do the organising and let the coaches do the coaching. Parents should just worry about getting their kids to and from training and games and how they can afford next years ridiculous rego fees as well as offering as much encouragement along the way.

[Aegon]

Why is it a concern who your kids team is playing. Its just development it's not a competition, the kids don't care who they do or don't play, if they do it's only because of the garbage they have heard coming out of their parents or coaches mouths. Just worry about them playing each weekend not who they are playing. If clubs want their own teams to play against each other do it every training session. It's not a competition you don't have to play each team the same amount of times.

Let NNSW do the organising and let the coaches do the coaching. Parents should just worry about getting their kids to and from training and games and how they can afford next years ridiculous rego fees as well as offering as much encouragement along the way.

Did I say it was a concern? Nope.

The only concern I have around scheduling is that it was released so late for both halves of the draw.

For Part 1 (Rounds 1-11) it was released a week before the games started.

For Part 2 (Rounds 12-22) it was released with less than a weeks notice.

For those who wanted to plan things around the game times it made it very difficult.

[Retired01]

Why is it a concern who your kids team is playing. Its just development it's not a competition, the kids don't care who they do or don't play, if they do it's only because of the garbage they have heard coming out of their parents or coaches mouths. Just worry about them playing each weekend not who they are playing. If clubs want their own teams to play against each other do it every training session. It's not a competition you don't have to play each team the same amount of times.

Let NNSW do the organising and let the coaches do the coaching. Parents should just worry about getting their kids to and from training and games and how they can afford next years ridiculous rego fees as well as offering as much encouragement along the way.

The kids don't care who they play? Go and talk to them and their coaches. Everytime we play Olympic or Magic the kids are buzzing and ready for a big game and I have friends in other teams who rev up for certain teams too.
Listen to the boys chat between games and their body language it can be fear or total lack of interest due to results from the other team. I genuinely have concern for parents whose child is getting repeatedly flogged each week to and applaud splitting the competition 2nd round. But I still disagree with clubs putting themselves before the kids. In the supposed top group there were some clubs. Valentine, Egdeworth, New Lambton where the divide was huge and the disregard for the lower team is not something I support.

[plague]

In the supposed top group there were some clubs. Valentine, Egdeworth, New Lambton where the divide was huge and the disregard for the lower team is not something I support.

a bit of context here because the use of the word 'disregard' is wrong (even though i dont disagree with your overall point). As ive said before our club played an A and B team this year.

Last year our club in U/9 had 2 really competitive teams, but at the start of the year a lot of people commented that one team was def 'stronger' than the other. Over the course of the season both teams always trained together (mini games were a mix of both teams) and pushed each other. As a result by the end of the year both teams were considered pretty even and the program was considered a success.

This year teams were pretty much split down the middle and joined (1/2 9's each from last year in one team, the new kids and the rest in the other). The hope was that the players in the 'B' team would respond like the previous year and push everyone at every training session. Again, both teams were mixed for training and were only separated on game day. But this year the response was not the same and there became a def divide between the levels of the kids performance. There were quite a few mitigating factors, like broken arms, illness, extended holidays that all affected the one team more than the other.

Now, heres where i have an issue with the word 'disregard'. Every kid from both teams have been picked for next year. Word is one kid didnt want to stay, and another is dropping back to his own age group. But everyone else has been offered a spot (no idea if every accepted), and the gaps have been filled with NET and ID kids.
Our club made a decision to stick with their own local kids and not have open trials, despite game day 'results'. I have no idea if the club will be doing A and B again next year but everyone now knows that the new season starts with everyone on the same level. If they get to training and put in the effort then who knows what will happen. But they've been given a shot, so not sure what else the club can do for now.

So is it more of a disregard to drop kids at the end of each year for the shiny new ones that club shop?
Is it more of a disregard to just cut 1/2 your kids from the program because you only want one team?


again, this is all supposed to be about having 15-16 well trained kids available for U/13's and up when games 'actually' matter. Our club feels it will have ticked that box. Im not 100% behind every decision, but it is what it is, and i dont know any clubs that are doing it perfectly.

[Jim]

Why is it a concern who your kids team is playing. Its just development it's not a competition, the kids don't care who they do or don't play, if they do it's only because of the garbage they have heard coming out of their parents or coaches mouths. Just worry about them playing each weekend not who they are playing. If clubs want their own teams to play against each other do it every training session. It's not a competition you don't have to play each team the same amount of times.

Let NNSW do the organising and let the coaches do the coaching. Parents should just worry about getting their kids to and from training and games and how they can afford next years ridiculous rego fees as well as offering as much encouragement along the way.

Ok just keep playing inter clubs games. See its stupid. At least play all the clubs before doubling up or breaking away.

And the bigger problem was having stronger teams playing weaker team more often. No need to start whining about winning or parents.

[Jim]

Now, heres where i have an issue with the word 'disregard'. Every kid from both teams have been picked for next year. Word is one kid didnt want to stay, and another is dropping back to his own age group. But everyone else has been offered a spot (no idea if every accepted), and the gaps have been filled with NET and ID kids.
Our club made a decision to stick with their own local kids and not have open trials, despite game day 'results'. I have no idea if the club will be doing A and B again next year but everyone now knows that the new season starts with everyone on the same level. If they get to training and put in the effort then who knows what will happen. But they've been given a shot, so not sure what else the club can do for now.

So is it more of a disregard to drop kids at the end of each year for the shiny new ones that club shop?
Is it more of a disregard to just cut 1/2 your kids from the program because you only want one team?


again, this is all supposed to be about having 15-16 well trained kids available for U/13's and up when games 'actually' matter. Our club feels it will have ticked that box. Im not 100% behind every decision, but it is what it is, and i dont know any clubs that are doing it perfectly.

Having a closed shop could be problematic. There are some good lads in community 9s this year. Dont they deserve a chance to further their abilities if they are superior then some of the lads from this year?

[plague]

Having a closed shop could be problematic. There are some good lads in community 9s this year. Dont they deserve a chance to further their abilities if they are superior then some of the lads from this year?

well there you go. thats the conundrum isnt it?
there isnt a right or wrong answer here. reward the kids who have had 2 years and been loyal or move them on for something that will get the club better 'results' in the short term?
just to clarify though im only aware of inhouse trials for their 11's team next year. Not sure what the policy was for new 9's and 9's going to 10's. The trials were kids from SAP, NET and community football. From reports that wasnt the original plan but the club was happy with the kids from within their own club and felt no need to look elsewhere.

was also told that they are trying to get another program going for kids who missed out on SAP in order to keep kids who are motivated and interested and giving them more training options than just the standard 1 session per week in community football. not sure of the details though but again, the club are at least trying something.

[Dontknowmuch]

Ok just keep playing inter clubs games. See its stupid. At least play all the clubs before doubling up or breaking away.

And the bigger problem was having stronger teams playing weaker team more often. No need to start whining about winning or parents.

Whats the benefit of playing every club or team an equal amount of times? I get that variety is always a good stimulant but its not the only one, if the Inter club game was giving them a competitive game then why not keep playing them. It's a Skill's Acquisition Program. Most the learning should be done at training and the game only used as a measuring stick as to what was learnt last week and what needs attention before next week to improve the individual not win the game. Doesn't sound so stupid

[plague]

Whats the benefit of playing every club or team an equal amount of times? I get that variety is always a good stimulant but its not the only one, if the Inter club game was giving them a competitive game then why not keep playing them. It's a Skill's Acquisition Program. Most the learning should be done at training and the game only used as a measuring stick as to what was learnt last week and what needs attention before next week to improve the individual not win the game.

this.

[Jim]

Whats the benefit of playing every club or team an equal amount of times? I get that variety is always a good stimulant but its not the only one, if the Inter club game was giving them a competitive game then why not keep playing them. It's a Skill's Acquisition Program. Most the learning should be done at training and the game only used as a measuring stick as to what was learnt last week and what needs attention before next week to improve the individual not win the game. Doesn't sound so stupid

Your original comment was stupid and training isnt even in this convo... And i didnt advocate playing everyone equally. yawn....I said play each once then break away instead of doubling up on some and not seeing other teams at all. why bother... Actually you must know everything so you must play for Australia

[Dontknowmuch]

Your original comment was stupid and training isnt even in this convo... And i didnt advocate playing everyone equally. yawn....I said play each once then break away instead of doubling up on some and not seeing other teams at all. why bother... Actually you must know everything so you must play for Australia

Why do you need to see other teams? I know your answer, don't worry it's why I made the point. It's a bit sad.

[Jim]

Why do you need to see other teams? I know your answer, don't worry it's why I made the point. It's a bit sad.

So you think you know what im thinking? You have no idea as most would know. Best jog on and leave the football talk for the rest of us.

[Dontknowmuch]

So you think you know what im thinking? You have no idea as most would know. Best jog on and leave the football talk for the rest of us.

Ok i leave the football talk to gurus like you who think its necessary for 10 year olds development to play every team in the comp.

[Jim]

Ok i leave the football talk to gurus like you who think its necessary for 10 year olds development to play every team in the comp.

Bout time! Now Where were we.

Is New Lambton dropping out of 11s and 12s NET for 2020?

[Aegon]

Bout time! Now Where were we.

Is New Lambton dropping out of 11s and 12s NET for 2020?

I’d heard they are keeping NET, but not 100% sure

[plague]

I’d heard they are keeping NET, but not 100% sure

I heard the exact opposite.
Heard they were getting out of NET altogether.
Bit I ain't 100% sure either.

[Aegon]

I heard the exact opposite.
Heard they were getting out of NET altogether.
Bit I ain't 100% sure either.

we've covered enough territory to be 100% right between us :rof:

[londonboy]

Adamstown have confirmed they’ll only field one team in U11 SAP next year.

“UNDER 11 SAP ANNOUNCEMENT for 2020

Adamstown Rosebud Football Club has reviewed its position regarding the U11 SAP competition in 2020 in light of the recent briefing paper from NNSWF and has resolved to field one team only. This team has now been filled from our 2019 U10 SAP squads.

We acknowledge and appreciate all of those players that have submitted expressions of interest for the 2020 U11s SAP team, however we will not be holding trials and apologise for any inconvenience that this may have caused”

[londonboy]

“in light of the recent briefing paper from NNSWF”

Is this available to read anywhere? I assume this is where the information on the one 30 minute game next season came from?

[Jim]

“in light of the recent briefing paper from NNSWF”

Is this available to read anywhere? I assume this is where the information on the one 30 minute game next season came from?

I cant find it in 30 seconds of intense Google search.

[Arsenal222]

hey look man, i aint writing the songs im just singing from the hymm book the pastor gave me when i signed up.

i think a good question on how much winning 'should' matter is how kids that were picked in the TSP this year were somehow deemed not good enough for a spot in their club team for next year. how can you be picked out as one of the top few skill wise then somehow not get a run in a team?
add to that the limited spots available in inner city teams for next year and these kids maybe wont even get a spot in the program?


its a weird one.


Which Club cut a TSP player

[Retired01]

Which Club cut a TSP player

Jaffas dropped a TSP Kid.
The comment above is a very significant comment and flows on from previous conversations...Coaches have commented they believe the best kids weren't picked for TSP. Rumour has it Magic and Olympic are sticking by their current boys and wont be trialling. Its been stated here New Lambton are sticking with theirs and will only trial for the odd position but this also supports the distribution of talent too into other clubs.

[Arsenal222]

Jaffas dropped a TSP Kid.
The comment above is a very significant comment and flows on from previous conversations...Coaches have commented they believe the best kids weren't picked for TSP. Rumour has it Magic and Olympic are sticking by their current boys and wont be trialling. Its been stated here New Lambton are sticking with theirs and will only trial for the odd position but this also supports the distribution of talent too into other clubs.

I think we need to get the facts right, I know the boys in the Jaffas and no TSP were dropped.

[YewYew]

I think we need to get the facts right, I know the boys in the Jaffas and no TSP were dropped.

don’t know much about TSP. Are kids chosen from all clubs or mainly just the big ones? eg good kid from Azzuri vs good kid from Jaffas. Does Jaffas kid get picked?

[londonboy]

don’t know much about TSP. Are kids chosen from all clubs or mainly just the big ones? eg good kid from Azzuri vs good kid from Jaffas. Does Jaffas kid get picked?

Information I was sent some time ago on TSP said:

"The TSP (Talent Support Program) exists to simply provide opportunities for talented players to train more often with experienced SAP coaches. The benefit of this is simply to provide more opportunities for players to develop to help players to reach their potential. Players are both identified by NNSWF Technical Advisors who attend hub training sessions and match days and players are also recommended by club coaches and Technical directors.

We may have trials if we believe this is necessary however we may not need to if we believe we have identified enough players for this program. Numbers depend on how many players we can facilitate with coaches etc. Does not matter where players play we try to identify who we believe are the most talented"

I received this third or fourth hand so cannot verify how accurate it is, but this apparently came directly from NNSWF.

Interestingly, I noticed that NNSWF are actually advertising for TSP coaches at the moment: https://northernnswfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Talented-Player-Pathway-Coaching-Positions-Advertisement.pdf

[Arsenal222]

Information I was sent some time ago on TSP said:

"The TSP (Talent Support Program) exists to simply provide opportunities for talented players to train more often with experienced SAP coaches. The benefit of this is simply to provide more opportunities for players to develop to help players to reach their potential. Players are both identified by NNSWF Technical Advisors who attend hub training sessions and match days and players are also recommended by club coaches and Technical directors.

We may have trials if we believe this is necessary however we may not need to if we believe we have identified enough players for this program. Numbers depend on how many players we can facilitate with coaches etc. Does not matter where players play we try to identify who we believe are the most talented"

I received this third or fourth hand so cannot verify how accurate it is, but this apparently came directly from NNSWF.

Interestingly, I noticed that NNSWF are actually advertising for TSP coaches at the moment: https://northernnswfootball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Talented-Player-Pathway-Coaching-Positions-Advertisement.pdf


As I understand it this time last year the clubs were asked to identify and nominate players to go to TSP trials, the players then had to trial over a period of time before NNSW selected their final TSP squad.

[londonboy]

As I understand it this time last year the clubs were asked to identify and nominate players to go to TSP trials, the players then had to trial over a period of time before NNSW selected their final TSP squad.

Yes, that's what I heard as well. It sounds like NNSWF might rely more on their own scouting and club recommendations for next years TSP, and only use trials if they don't think they have enough kids. This makes sense - much better to observe kids over the season and get feedback from coaches who see them week in, week out, than rely on trials.

[YewYew]

Adamstown have confirmed they’ll only field one team in U11 SAP next year.

“UNDER 11 SAP ANNOUNCEMENT for 2020

Adamstown Rosebud Football Club has reviewed its position regarding the U11 SAP competition in 2020 in light of the recent briefing paper from NNSWF and has resolved to field one team only. This team has now been filled from our 2019 U10 SAP squads.

We acknowledge and appreciate all of those players that have submitted expressions of interest for the 2020 U11s SAP team, however we will not be holding trials and apologise for any inconvenience that this may have caused”

Word is Rosebud were told by Northern they could only have 1 U11 SAP team. The club are v. Pissed off. Why can some have 2 teams and others 1? Why do Northern get to say?

[Aegon]

Word is Rosebud were told by Northern they could only have 1 U11 SAP team. The club are v. Pissed off. Why can some have 2 teams and others 1? Why do Northern get to say?

Ya, if that is true it is very poor. If one club are told they can only have a single team, all clubs should only be allowed a single team.

It should not be a case of different rules for different clubs.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

TSP will be available for both 10's and 11's next year in the SAP.

Well done Northern in creating more opportunities for the better players to train together and improve their skills under more experienced coaches. Hopefully they don't restrict the numbers to only one squad but increase to 2 if the quality is there.

[plague]

Word is Rosebud were told by Northern they could only have 1 U11 SAP team. The club are v. Pissed off. Why can some have 2 teams and others 1? Why do Northern get to say?

ive got a feeling that NNSW wanted every club to have one team in 11's (our club was originally going to 1 team but changed later in the process).

Most clubs just didnt listen to them.

[Retired01]

ive got a feeling that NNSW wanted every club to have one team in 11's (our club was originally going to 1 team but changed later in the process).

Most clubs just didnt listen to them.

Why would clubs like Magic and Olympic want to reduce to 1 team? They have the best group of kids in the 10s and will filter out the some next season for enforcement of 1 team.
I cant believe clubs chose to go to 1 team this year as they will need to recruit next season.

[Aegon]

Why would clubs like Magic and Olympic want to reduce to 1 team? They have the best group of kids in the 10s and will filter out the some next season for enforcement of 1 team.
I cant believe clubs chose to go to 1 team this year as they will need to recruit next season.

It depends on numbers really.
Jaffas picked 13 (I think) for their single 11's team and I would think by Under 13's NPL they would select about 16 players?

The risk though is if any of the original 13 boys selected get picked up by the Jets then clubs might be looking at having to pick up more players whilst losing the best they currently have.

The flip side of it is, Olympic and Magic will now have somewhere in the vicinity of 22 players that they will need to reduce down to 16 from Under 12's SAP to Under 13's NPL. That's potentially 6 kids that will need to find NPL spots at other clubs.

[Retired01]

Without saying it previously you have reinforced my point
Magic and Olympic keep squads for 11s and 12s the Jets poach from both clubs and they end up close to their needs without any heartache.

Can anyone confirm Olympic didn't trial?

[plague]

Why would clubs like Magic and Olympic want to reduce to 1 team? They have the best group of kids in the 10s and will filter out the some next season for enforcement of 1 team.
I cant believe clubs chose to go to 1 team this year as they will need to recruit next season.

exactly.
ive no idea behind NNSW wanting to cull kids, and good on clubs for sticking by their kids they've already invested time into.
2 teams for 11 and 12 sets up a well trained squad for NPL 13's. It seems pretty straight forward to me.

[plague]

The risk though is if any of the original 13 boys selected get picked up by the Jets then clubs might be looking at having to pick up more players whilst losing the best they currently have.


add to this the kids that just dont want to play higher level soccer after 12's.
add to this the kids who leave Jaffas to go play NPL somewhere else.
add to this the kids who got cut already and dont want to go back to a club that did them like that.

none of my business but i think its a shame that Jaffas have gone this approach.
its also not entirely their fault either with how much information was coming out from NNSW about the structure for next year. they made a decision early and went with it.
also if the games are all that then they're gonna have 4 on the bench each week for one 60 min game are they gonna get the game time they need. you can already hear the complaints from little Johnnys parents about paying so much cash for their kid to get a tan on the bench.

[Jim]

also if the games are all that then they're gonna have 4 on the bench each week for one 60 min game are they gonna get the game time they need. you can already hear the complaints from little Johnnys parents about paying so much cash for their kid to get a tan on the bench.

4 on bench is a ridiculous

[Aegon]

4 on bench is a ridiculous

Whilst I agree n sentiment, that is on the rare occasion when all players are available.

Aegon Jr's team probably had their full complement only a handful of times this season and played frequently with no subs.

[Yaa Yaa]

TSP will be available for both 10's and 11's next year in the SAP.

Well done Northern in creating more opportunities for the better players to train together and improve their skills under more experienced coaches. Hopefully they don't restrict the numbers to only one squad but increase to 2 if the quality is there.

Who says they are being coached by more experienced coaches?
I’d rather Glen Moore’s knowledge and even Gary Wilson whom I’ve seen coach at SAP level over some kid at NNSW that’s done a coaching course 🙄

[THEBIGCHEESE]

Who says they are being coached by more experienced coaches?
I’d rather Glen Moore’s knowledge and even Gary Wilson whom I’ve seen coach at SAP level over some kid at NNSW that’s done a coaching course 🙄

The coaches at TSP this year wasn't some kid who has done a coaching course. One of them has over 3 years in the emerging jets programme and is coaching in the Jets academy.

[londonboy]

Hopefully they don't restrict the numbers to only one squad but increase to 2 if the quality is there.

The information from NNSWF suggested the limits on TSP players may be the number of coaches available to facilitate them. Presumably if they get enough coaches then all the kids they’ve highlighted as being good enough will be accommodated.

There will be more room at the LMRFF too, with the Emerging Jets going elsewhere.

[Yaa Yaa]

Anyone know of any summer comps for the kids in the SAP ages? The one at Adamstown is apparently canceled I was told.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

The information from NNSWF suggested the limits on TSP players may be the number of coaches available to facilitate them. Presumably if they get enough coaches then all the kids they’ve highlighted as being good enough will be accommodated.

There will be more room at the LMRFF too, with the Emerging Jets going elsewhere.

That would be great. Giving more players access to train at Speers Point with the best players can only be a good thing.

[londonboy]

Anyone know of any summer comps for the kids in the SAP ages? The one at Adamstown is apparently canceled I was told.

Mayfield Juniors are running one at Stevenson Park for U8/9s. ItÂ’s due to start next week, so not sure if they have spots left.

Other than that, SAP Fast 5s at Speers Point, or I think Tiligerry and Maitland might be running something.

[Barry Dawson]

Check out New Lambton webpage

[Aegon]

Trials for 2020 squads should now all be completed. Have all the squads announced their selections?

Have teams stayed loyal to their existing players or have their been wholesale changes?

Jaffas 9's released 6 players, Olympic released 3 players & Magic have apparently retained the majority of their players.

There is lots of rumours about discarding the 2 game (20min halves) per weekend format in favour of a single longer game (30min halves).

With the Jets leaving the LMRFF it'll be interesting to see whether there are more SAP games played at Speers Point and maybe more oversight from NNSWF.

When do all the teams start training? Late this year or early next year?

[onlooker]

Trials for 2020 squads should now all be completed. Have all the squads announced their selections?

Have teams stayed loyal to their existing players or have their been wholesale changes?

Jaffas 9's released 6 players, Olympic released 3 players & Magic have apparently retained the majority of their players.

There is lots of rumours about discarding the 2 game (20min halves) per weekend format in favour of a single longer game (30min halves).

With the Jets leaving the LMRFF it'll be interesting to see whether there are more SAP games played at Speers Point and maybe more oversight from NNSWF.

When do all the teams start training? Late this year or early next year?


4/10 from the HV 11’s girls team left 2 took up a spot with the Jets, 1 was a son of one of the departing coaches and my daughter has moved on to play for Macquarie Football..

Her team starts trying on the 28th of October till early December then back into it Late January

[plague]

apparently our club offered all current players their spot back and filled the rest with NET kids (they arent running NET next year).
Squads have increased in line with NNSW direction of bigger field/more players on pitch and one game per week.
no idea if there will be a distinct A and B team, but one team played really well last year and def want to stay together so cant see the point of breaking them all up.
personally am happy as there are a bunch of good kids who maybe didnt have the best of seasons in games that have not been discarded due to results. the kids all have something to offer and the club should be applauded for sticking with them. hopefully its another year of growth and improvement for everyone.


no official training due before at least christmas but they all want to get together pre-christmas for a hang so club will prob do something light.
most of the parents were happy to give the kids a break for football for a bit and let them do other sports or do nothing at all.

[Yaa Yaa]

Magic have trials for next seasons 10s and 11s SAP teams on Tuesday 15th of October at magic park.

[Aegon]

Magic have trials for next seasons 10s and 11s SAP teams on Tuesday 15th of October at magic park.

I thought they had offered positions to existing players for the 10's?

If any of the current players are dropped for new players at this late stage they'll struggle to find another club :(

[plague]

I thought they had offered positions to existing players for the 10's?

If any of the current players are dropped for new players at this late stage they'll struggle to find another club :(

i think it would be more to do with needing more players for bigger squads next season. most clubs are picking up at least 4 new kids (on top of any gaps they get from kids leaving).
Without knowing them personally, from seeing a lot of their games this year id be shocked if the coaches were the type to kick good kids out. Their whole coaching group are fantastic imho.

[Aegon]

i think it would be more to do with needing more players for bigger squads next season. most clubs are picking up at least 4 new kids (on top of any gaps they get from kids leaving).
Without knowing them personally, from seeing a lot of their games this year id be shocked if the coaches were the type to kick good kids out. Their whole coaching group are fantastic imho.

Bigger squads makes sense for the 11's, however the 10's (last years 9's) both had 10 players if I remember correctly. From what I have been told from a Magic parent all the players had been offered to retain their position however they hadn't announced squads. So, unless players are leaving the club I wouldn't see how they have any spaces.

[Yaa Yaa]

Bigger squads makes sense for the 11's, however the 10's (last years 9's) both had 10 players if I remember correctly. From what I have been told from a Magic parent all the players had been offered to retain their position however they hadn't announced squads. So, unless players are leaving the club I wouldn't see how they have any spaces.

They aren’t cutting players from what I know but need to add to the 11s squad for next season.
The current 9s have a few players that can play 9s again as they are only 8 and some kids have other commitments that might not allow them to play next season. Not sure exactly what but could be either moving or overseas holiday during football season so there are a few spots open in 10s for next season and more in the 11s.
This years 9s only had 9 players in each squad.

[Aegon]

They aren’t cutting players from what I know but need to add to the 11s squad for next season.
The current 9s have a few players that can play 9s again as they are only 8 and some kids have other commitments that might not allow them to play next season. Not sure exactly what but could be either moving or overseas holiday during football season so there are a few spots open in 10s for next season and more in the 11s.
This years 9s only had 9 players in each squad.

Thanks for the clarification. Makes perfect sense :)

[Yaa Yaa]

Thanks for the clarification. Makes perfect sense :)

No worries.
The current 10s only had 8 players in 1 side and 9 in the other and need to fill a fair few spots as they are running 2 teams next season not 1 in the 11s SAP. Majority of the current 9s have been retained by the club I’m told. They aren’t cutting anyone as they were a very good age group but some may not be able to play next season and some are only 8 as I said so they are giving kids a chance to have a trial for remaining spots.

[Yaa Yaa]

Anyone know how much rego is around the clubs for SAP kids? Does it vary much from club to club or are they similar?

[Aegon]

Anyone know how much rego is around the clubs for SAP kids? Does it vary much from club to club or are they similar?

2019 fees for Jaffas were $780 fees + about $300 for uniforms

However sponsorship and active voucher ended up reducing the fees by $200 I think.

So roughly $900 ?

[Jardelsimage]

2019 fees for jaffas were $780 fees + about $300 for uniforms

however sponsorship and active voucher ended up reducing the fees by $200 i think.

So roughly $900 ?

wtf !!!!!!

[Yaa Yaa]

2019 fees for Jaffas were $780 fees + about $300 for uniforms

However sponsorship and active voucher ended up reducing the fees by $200 I think.

So roughly $900 ?

So pretty similar to what we paid at magic. Think from memory Olympic was there abouts as well.

[YewYew]

No worries.
The current 10s only had 8 players in 1 side and 9 in the other and need to fill a fair few spots as they are running 2 teams next season not 1 in the 11s SAP. Majority of the current 9s have been retained by the club I’m told. They aren’t cutting anyone as they were a very good age group but some may not be able to play next season and some are only 8 as I said so they are giving kids a chance to have a trial for remaining spots.

Will Magic have 9 or 10 players in each U10/11 team? And do they have set keepers?

What about other clubs? Do Northern push clubs to get set keepers at these ages?

[YewYew]

So pretty similar to what we paid at magic. Think from memory Olympic was there abouts as well.

Yep. Bit cheaper at some other clubs, but $1K + for the big boys.

[YewYew]

Trials for 2020 squads should now all be completed. Have all the squads announced their selections?

Have teams stayed loyal to their existing players or have their been wholesale changes?

Jaffas 9's released 6 players, Olympic released 3 players & Magic have apparently retained the majority of their players.

There is lots of rumours about discarding the 2 game (20min halves) per weekend format in favour of a single longer game (30min halves).

With the Jets leaving the LMRFF it'll be interesting to see whether there are more SAP games played at Speers Point and maybe more oversight from NNSWF.

When do all the teams start training? Late this year or early next year?

Rosebuds retained a few for U10 and got some new blood in I heard.

[Yaa Yaa]

Will Magic have 9 or 10 players in each U10/11 team? And do they have set keepers?

What about other clubs? Do Northern push clubs to get set keepers at these ages?

What I know is that the next years 10s will have 9 players again and the 11s will most likely have 11 players as they have 9 starters don’t they? 2 subs.
I know our coach was looking for a keeper but if a good keeper wasn’t found another field player would come in and just rotate like they did this year and hopefully gain one the following year if any came along when they go to 11 players or he would go and search for one. The boys coach was pretty open about his plans with us parents for next season.

[plague]

I know our coach was looking for a keeper but if a good keeper wasn’t found another field player would come in and just rotate like they did this year

How did the kids/parents go with this?
Because one of Plague Jnrs mates was in a team with no set keeper and there were plenty of parents not at all happy they were paying for their kid to be in goals.

To be fair they were unaware of this before the season started and I've been told a keeper has been picked for their team next year.

[londonboy]

How did the kids/parents go with this?
Because one of Plague Jnrs mates was in a team with no set keeper and there were plenty of parents not at all happy they were paying for their kid to be in goals.

To be fair they were unaware of this before the season started and I've been told a keeper has been picked for their team next year.

This is a tricky area I think. In my opinion, no kid should be asked (or nominated) to play in one position for the whole season. The kids are 8/9/10 years old and should be able to play every position to better understand the game. Even the most enthusiastic goalkeeper will ask to play outfield at some point, and why shouldn’t they? Of course, all parents would love their kid to play in their preferred position, but SAP is about development and kids won’t develop if they aren’t exposed to different facets of football.

Once kids get to 13/14 they should probably look at specialising in one or two positions, but even then things can change radically in teenage years. David De Gea was a striker until 14 years old; Rio Ferdinand was a striker until he was 16; Wan Bissaka a winger until 18 etc.

I get some kids trial as a goalkeeper and know what they are getting into. I’m just not sure clubs should be looking for specific goalkeepers at such a young age.

[plague]

This is a tricky area I think. In my opinion, no kid should be asked (or nominated) to play in one position for the whole season. The kids are 8/9/10 years old and should be able to play every position to better understand the game. Even the most enthusiastic goalkeeper will ask to play outfield at some point, and why shouldn’t they? Of course, all parents would love their kid to play in their preferred position, but SAP is about development and kids won’t develop if they aren’t exposed to different facets of football.

Once kids get to 13/14 they should probably look at specialising in one or two positions, but even then things can change radically in teenage years. David De Gea was a striker until 14 years old; Rio Ferdinand was a striker until he was 16; Wan Bissaka a winger until 18 etc.

I get some kids trial as a goalkeeper and know what they are getting into. I’m just not sure clubs should be looking for specific goalkeepers at such a young age.

the whole way along we've had keepers who want to play the position and pretty sure all do some sort of outside goalie training.
none of the outfield players want to be keeper and the keeper doesnt want to play outfield.
the kids on the field get moved around a fair bit, and ive def noticed a few teams that do it to. totally agree with mixing it up.

during club training the keepers all have to do the same outifeld drills as everyone. good footwork and basic control is essential for them anyway.

[londonboy]

none of the outfield players want to be keeper and the keeper doesnt want to play outfield.


I’d be really surprised if those kids in goal all the time don’t have occasional desires to play outfield. No 8/9 year old wants to play in goal the whole time, particularly when the kids in front of them are good and they have nothing to do in 75% of the games they play in.

I’m 100% behind all kids in SAP do the same training drills etc, but if the team is just going to play them in goal, what’s the point? If you want them to play in goal all the time train them for it. You say the kids are doing outside additional goalkeeper training - so, the parents are essentially paying double. Their kid has to play in goal every week, but the club don’t train them specifically. It just doesn’t make sense.

[Aegon]

I’d be really surprised if those kids in goal all the time don’t have occasional desires to play outfield. No 8/9 year old wants to play in goal the whole time, particularly when the kids in front of them are good and they have nothing to do in 75% of the games they play in.

I’m 100% behind all kids in SAP do the same training drills etc, but if the team is just going to play them in goal, what’s the point? If you want them to play in goal all the time train them for it. You say the kids are doing outside additional goalkeeper training - so, the parents are essentially paying double. Their kid has to play in goal every week, but the club don’t train them specifically. It just doesn’t make sense.

With Jaffa’s SAP, like their NPL youth, the goalkeepers do an extra nights training at the clubs expense (apparently everyone pays a little extra in fees for the goalie training).

Can’t remember who the goalie trainers are though.

[londonboy]

With Jaffa’s SAP, like their NPL youth, the goalkeepers do an extra nights training at the clubs expense (apparently everyone pays a little extra in fees for the goalie training).

Rightly so. I’m not a fan of 8/9 year olds playing in goal all the time, but if they want to/have to then regular, specific training is a must. Throwing a few balls at them every now and then at training, or just before a game, isn’t enough if you expect them to play in such a unique position every single game.

[Yaa Yaa]

How did the kids/parents go with this?
Because one of Plague Jnrs mates was in a team with no set keeper and there were plenty of parents not at all happy they were paying for their kid to be in goals.

To be fair they were unaware of this before the season started and I've been told a keeper has been picked for their team next year.

We were all fine with it mate, the kids all got fair game time in all positions on the field.
I remember some games kids begging the coach the go in goals and some not so keen 😂
What I’ve noticed is most kids make their choice before they hit 13s and some go in goals because they can’t get picked on the field but are really good in goals so they take that role on.
Or sometimes you have that one kid that just loves being in goals from a very young age, but they are rare.

[onlooker]

Speaking as a parent of a full time goal keeper albeit she is 11 so a little older then the age bracket you are discussing. I can tell you as much as she loves playing in goals there is always the desire to play half a game every so often on the field. And generally half a game here or there is just enough to keep her happy..

Her club this coming season trains 3 nights a week and one night she will be doing goal keeper training at no extra cost ( outside the rego I’m sure it’s included in there somewhere)

I think it’s important to encourage those kids with a desire to play in goals and give them every opportunity to do so, but also continue their development on the park as they could easily comeback next season and say I don’t want to do that anymore.

[londonboy]

Speaking as a parent of a full time goal keeper albeit she is 11 so a little older then the age bracket you are discussing. I can tell you as much as she loves playing in goals there is always the desire to play half a game every so often on the field. And generally half a game here or there is just enough to keep her happy..

Her club this coming season trains 3 nights a week and one night she will be doing goal keeper training at no extra cost ( outside the rego I’m sure it’s included in there somewhere)

I think it’s important to encourage those kids with a desire to play in goals and give them every opportunity to do so, but also continue their development on the park as they could easily comeback next season and say I don’t want to do that anymore.

100% agree with this. Great there is dedicated training as well.

I think the one half in goal idea is a happy compromise, even at U9, U10 etc. If a kid is keen to play as a keeper let them do one half a week in goal and the other out on the pitch. It means they spend most of the time in goal but also get to develop their outfield skills as well. Other kids will have to spend a half in goal every once in a while, but most kids this age would be happy enough with that.

[londonboy]

West Wallsend looking for SAP coaches for next season, with the intention of fielding teams in 9-11 years.

[Aegon]

West Wallsend looking for SAP coaches for next season, with the intention of fielding teams in 9-11 years.

Hopefully they manage to get squads. They've left it very late though.

[londonboy]

Hopefully they manage to get squads. They've left it very late though.

Yes, I agree. That said, I heard that most U9 SAP trials were well attended, so there’s probably still a few keen kids out there who haven’t got a spot yet. U10 and U11 might be more difficult with both SAP and NET teams likely to have selected the better kids already.

[Yaa Yaa]

Richard Heartly left Jaffa’s and now back at Jaffa’s 🤔
Sneddo must have re opened the cheque book 👀

[Jim]

Does he still run NET as per his position with NF?

[YewYew]

Does he still run NET as per his position with NF?

Yea. He doubled up on the job last year as well as being SAP TD for Jaffas & Olympic. Not being involved with Olympic again next year I heard.

And Magic have got a new SAP TD as well I heard. Don’t no who.

[YewYew]

Does he still run NET as per his position with NF?

Scrap what I just said - RH has resigned from NF. Gonna be JAFFAS Head of Football only. Oversee all junior and youth.

Big loss for NF.

[Yaa Yaa]

Yeah he resigned. Must be big coin on offer to do that and leave his post at NF after being involved for so long.
Magic have 2 TDs now, one for SAP and one for NPL.

[Aegon]

Yeah he resigned. Must be big coin on offer to do that and leave his post at NF after being involved for so long.
Magic have 2 TDs now, one for SAP and one for NPL.

I think the two TD's (or similiar) are essential. Lots of clubs are establishing a SAP coordinator or SAP TD due to the extra administration, co-ordination and specified training the younger kids require.

Also, Yaa Yaa and Yew Yew, both from Magic, way too confusing, it took me too long to realise there were 2 separate accounts.....

With regards to NF initiatives like NET, holiday programs, Specialised training squads, etc. I am only assuming but I think RH would have to step away and the new NF TD would have to take over. Part of RH's justification for leaving Jaffas & Olympic was that he didn't have enough time to focus on NF programs and be the SAP TD for both clubs. Seeing that he is now in a position with Jaffas with more responsibility than just SAP, I can't see how he could manage those programs as well.

I personally think it's a great outcome for Jaffas, as polarising a figure as he can be, his emphasis on development and the players that have emerged under his guidance are hard to dispute.

[YewYew]

Yaa Yaa and Yew Yew, both from Magic, way too confusing, it took me too long to realise there were 2 separate accounts.....
.

Nothing to do with Magic me. One kid at Edgy, another West Wallsend and two in between clubs! I know people around the scene though. People like to chat.

[Aegon]

Nothing to do with Magic me. One kid at Edgy, another West Wallsend and two in between clubs! I know people around the scene though. People like to chat.

Apologies, I thought you had reference Magic previously.

[Yaa Yaa]

Nothing to do with Magic me. One kid at Edgy, another West Wallsend and two in between clubs! I know people around the scene though. People like to chat.

Yeah it is confusing sorry.
Just reference to my mate from the Gunners Ozil 🤣

[plague]

wait? did that summer SAP comp out at the facility get cancelled?

[Aegon]

wait? did that summer SAP comp out at the facility get cancelled?

No idea, did any SAP teams actually join? I don't think there was much incentive to.

[londonboy]

wait? did that summer SAP comp out at the facility get cancelled?

I know the Adamstown one didn't happen because of a lack of numbers - perhaps the same happened there?

[londonboy]

Richard Heartly left Jaffa’s and now back at Jaffa’s

Anyone know the sort of hours RH put in at Newcastle Football per week? I’d imagine he’d coaching most week nights and weekends, plus a bunch of admin. With the experience he brought that’s going to be a big gap to fill for NF. I’m sure a lot of the stuff he did wasn’t on his job description either.

[londonboy]

Does he still run NET as per his position with NF?

Interesting to see what happens with NET in the future. I recall seeing Magic and other clubs advertising trials for NET from U10-12 which specifically mentioned RH’s involvement. No doubt the likes of Magic won’t need to rely on NF coaching for their teams, but some of the other smaller clubs in NET would have leaned heavily on RH.

[Retired01]

My god
Jaffas is turning into a retirement village for old teachers

[YewYew]

Youse Magic SAP boys going to Speers Point for some training? https://northernnswfootball.com.au/south-wallsend-jsc-womens-premier-league-to-move-to-broadmeadow-magic-fc/

Lots of teams gonna be using the Magic parks now. Where is the Magic training facility mentioned?

[londonboy]

Where is the Magic training facility mentioned?

I'm guessing this is referring to the outer grounds at Magic Park. They recently had floodlights installed and were dedicated for senior training last year (SAP is part of the Magic senior club)

[YewYew]

Interesting to see what happens with NET in the future. I recall seeing Magic and other clubs advertising trials for NET from U10-12 which specifically mentioned RH’s involvement. No doubt the likes of Magic won’t need to rely on NF coaching for their teams, but some of the other smaller clubs in NET would have leaned heavily on RH.

Talk at Speers Point today that NET will run next yr but not after. Northern reps say NF don’t have a RH replacement lined up and that will mean NET dies a death in 2021. Hard on those clubs with no SAP.

[Dontknowmuch]

Talk at Speers Point today that NET will run next yr but not after. Northern reps say NF don’t have a RH replacement lined up and that will mean NET dies a death in 2021. Hard on those clubs with no SAP.

This is absolute garbage

[londonboy]

This is absolute garbage

Yep, I was told NET will continue on as normal.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

This is absolute garbage

Agreed. Complete garbage. Newcastle Football will carry on with their commitments and are in the process of looking for a replacement.

[Retired01]

2020 Training Commencement

I'm keen to know what clubs are doing about starting training next year if anyone would like to share.

[Yaa Yaa]

2020 Training Commencement

I'm keen to know what clubs are doing about starting training next year if anyone would like to share.

Magic will be doing about 1 night a week leading up till the Rockdale trial in December which is a yearly thing they do which hosts games from 9s SAP up to 1st grade on same day and then break for Xmas and new year and I assume will start after Aus day long weekend.

[Aegon]

Jaffas haven't announced dates yet.

If it follows last years plan, they will return to training in the week school starts back up in 2020.

[onlooker]

2020 Training Commencement

I'm keen to know what clubs are doing about starting training next year if anyone would like to share.

My daughter has moved to Macquarie Football this year and training started as of last Monday (28/10) and a trial game against the Jets was scheduled for the Sunday (27th/10) not sure if it went ahead tho as we were away.. so they have training up until Christmas with possible trial games and then start again early January..

[YewYew]

My daughter has moved to Macquarie Football this year and training started as of last Monday (28/10) and a trial game against the Jets was scheduled for the Sunday (27th/10) not sure if it went ahead tho as we were away.. so they have training up until Christmas with possible trial games and then start again early January..

how does your daughter find Macquarie compared to Hunter Valley? Is there a difference in coacing or player skills across the team/club?

[YewYew]

Magic will be doing about 1 night a week leading up till the Rockdale trial in December which is a yearly thing they do which hosts games from 9s SAP up to 1st grade on same day and then break for Xmas and new year and I assume will start after Aus day long weekend.

this seems very early to start. what kids doing other codes? sounds like they miss out on training.

[YewYew]

Agreed. Complete garbage. Newcastle Football will carry on with their commitments and are in the process of looking for a replacement.

i wasn't saying it was fact - just that nnswf reps were saying it. The region needs a strong Newcastle Football. I don't know why NF dont just get there own SAP licence. They've go the set-up for it. they could just transfer NET over.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

i wasn't saying it was fact - just that nnswf reps were saying it. The region needs a strong Newcastle Football. I don't know why NF dont just get there own SAP licence. They've go the set-up for it. they could just transfer NET over.

Newcastle Football competed in NNSWF state titles and played against Mac Football, Hunter Valley and the Emerging Jets up to 4 years ago (could be a year out). They then adopted the NET programme as they felt it was the best way forward and NNSWF set up there SAP version as Newcastle SAP while Newcastle Football ran NET.

I suppose different people have different views on what is best for the kids. Newcastle Football = NET and NNSWF = SAP.

[Dontknowmuch]

i wasn't saying it was fact - just that nnswf reps were saying it. The region needs a strong Newcastle Football. I don't know why NF don't just get there own SAP licence. They've go the set-up for it. they could just transfer NET over.

I think your missing the point of why Newcastle Football have a NETT program. The SAP program is not be all and end all of football development, if you ask some its quite the opposite actually and no where near the same cost's.

[onlooker]

how does your daughter find Macquarie compared to Hunter Valley? Is there a difference in coacing or player skills across the team/club?

The first thing she noticed was how the trials were set up.. Macquarie had everything ready to go before they got there and hunter valley were setting up well past the start time...
The second thing was the amount of players at each trial HV had 12 players at there trials including some who hadnÂ’t played before and Macquarie had twice if not 3 times as many..

[Reds Forever]

I think your missing the point of why Newcastle Football have a NETT program. The SAP program is not be all and end all of football development, if you ask some its quite the opposite actually and no where near the same cost's.

From memory the whole NET v SAP issue was due to Newcastle Football wanting to push more kids through the program not just 2 teams per age group.

This led to NNSW allowing them to have 3 teams for a while but they wanted more.

Therefore they created NET to allow more teams and kids through the programs. Newcastle Football wanted more players as felt that only 2 teams per age group was not enough to fill NPL squads in u13.

I agree with this opinion. However with SAP now moving over to clubs this is increasing number of players through SAP and I am unsure why there is any need for NET.

[Aegon]

From memory the whole NET v SAP issue was due to Newcastle Football wanting to push more kids through the program not just 2 teams per age group.

This led to NNSW allowing them to have 3 teams for a while but they wanted more.

Therefore they created NET to allow more teams and kids through the programs. Newcastle Football wanted more players as felt that only 2 teams per age group was not enough to fill NPL squads in u13.

I agree with this opinion. However with SAP now moving over to clubs this is increasing number of players through SAP and I am unsure why there is any need for NET.

Clubs that have SAP teams (except for new Lambton last year) did not field NET teams. So it seems like the baton is being passed to clubs like Mayfield, Kotara South, Stockton, Cooks Hill, South Wallsend, etc.
It’s good of those clubs are being supported in coaching by the TD of Newcastle Football,to help develop their players.

[Negative Police]

Clubs that have SAP teams (except for new Lambton last year) did not field NET teams. So it seems like the baton is being passed to clubs like Mayfield, Kotara South, Stockton, Cooks Hill, South Wallsend, etc.
It’s good of those clubs are being supported in coaching by the TD of Newcastle Football,to help develop their players.

Yep. And there are players going into SAP from NET teams and some the other way so its a useful comp for development.

NET will be around for a while yet.

[YewYew]

I think your missing the point of why Newcastle Football have a NETT program. The SAP program is not be all and end all of football development, if you ask some its quite the opposite actually and no where near the same cost's.

What would you put your kid in? And why?

Are there better NET teams? Like, does one club always get the best kids?

[YewYew]

Clubs that have SAP teams (except for new Lambton last year) did not field NET teams. So it seems like the baton is being passed to clubs like Mayfield, Kotara South, Stockton, Cooks Hill, South Wallsend, etc.
It’s good of those clubs are being supported in coaching by the TD of Newcastle Football,to help develop their players.

But Magic got SAP and NET @ 10/11/12 right? And Cookers now running SAP and NET?

Can any club do SAP? I read it called Premier Club sap. Does that mean just NPL and newfm?

[YewYew]

The first thing she noticed was how the trials were set up.. Macquarie had everything ready to go before they got there and hunter valley were setting up well past the start time...
The second thing was the amount of players at each trial HV had 12 players at there trials including some who hadnÂ’t played before and Macquarie had twice if not 3 times as many..

Sounds like Mac much better run. I guess they will be much stronger than HV this year, unless jets take all there best girls

[plague]

But Magic got SAP and NET @ 10/11/12 right? And Cookers now running SAP and NET?

Can any club do SAP? I read it called Premier Club sap. Does that mean just NPL and newfm?

theres no better program between the 2. way more important to make sure the kid gets a good coach (and by good i mean one sticking to the core skills rather than coaching just to win games).

we were sold on SAP being a requirement of all NPL teams to run, and NEWFM that wanted to/qualified for (not sure what qualified meant). New Lambon has it, Kahibah was supposed to have it but didnt. have heard Cooks Hill is starting up this year. someone on here is involved with Garden uburbs and wanted it, but their club wast 'allowed' (which sucks if a club is dedicated to doing it).

in the 3 years of SAP s far our club has had kids come and go, go to NET and prefer it, come from NET and prefer it, and come from community football because they were good enough to walk in.

again though, cannot stress enough at the difference in coaching. overwhelming majority are really good/great.

[Aegon]

theres no better program between the 2. way more important to make sure the kid gets a good coach (and by good i mean one sticking to the core skills rather than coaching just to win games).

we were sold on SAP being a requirement of all NPL teams to run, and NEWFM that wanted to/qualified for (not sure what qualified meant). New Lambon has it, Kahibah was supposed to have it but didnt. have heard Cooks Hill is starting up this year. someone on here is involved with Garden uburbs and wanted it, but their club wast 'allowed' (which sucks if a club is dedicated to doing it).

in the 3 years of SAP s far our club has had kids come and go, go to NET and prefer it, come from NET and prefer it, and come from community football because they were good enough to walk in.

again though, cannot stress enough at the difference in coaching. overwhelming majority are really good/great.

The main two differences are
Volume of training/games.
Coaching requirements.

Last year in 9/10 age groups the SAP kids were scheduled to play 40-44 games with training beginning either later in the previous calendar year or at the start of the school year. Training can be 2-3 times per week for SAP whilst NET is 1-2 sessions per week. NET plays a 14 game season.

Most SAP teams have a TD or SAP co-ordinator that oversee the coaches that are mainly coaching to a specific curriculum. NET can be a mix of club and parent coaching that can be dictated by the club/coach.

[onlooker]

Sounds like Mac much better run. I guess they will be much stronger than HV this year, unless jets take all there best girls

Jets have taken some and WPL teams shave taken others.. but still have a good core from last years team from what I can tell, a second girl has come over from HV and some talented kids having their first go at SAP!! They played a trial game against Charlestown U/11 boys on Monday and played some really good football so can only hope they keep improving as a team with more training and games together..

[Yaa Yaa]

theres no better program between the 2. way more important to make sure the kid gets a good coach (and by good i mean one sticking to the core skills rather than coaching just to win games).

we were sold on SAP being a requirement of all NPL teams to run, and NEWFM that wanted to/qualified for (not sure what qualified meant). New Lambon has it, Kahibah was supposed to have it but didnt. have heard Cooks Hill is starting up this year. someone on here is involved with Garden uburbs and wanted it, but their club wast 'allowed' (which sucks if a club is dedicated to doing it).

in the 3 years of SAP s far our club has had kids come and go, go to NET and prefer it, come from NET and prefer it, and come from community football because they were good enough to walk in.

again though, cannot stress enough at the difference in coaching. overwhelming majority are really good/great.

Development comes with winning games,(even trainers at the license courses tell you that) goes hand in hand unless you are say that one Lake Macquarie sap team that just booted the ball up the field every chance they got. But they also set their pitch up for that if you noticed how they marked the keepers box so they could near shoot from goal kicks 🤷*♂️ And coach encouraging it 🤣

Anyway did anyone see the new guidelines NSW football just released for Sydney SAP? As of 2021 a under 9s and up SAP coach will require a minimum B license to coach 9 yr olds 🤦*♂️
What a load of crap that is, I hope NNSW don’t follow suit because I’ll tell you now we will lose a lot of players and coaches.
$4k to get a b license and who’s going to pay for that? Clubs are reluctant to pay for coaches c license as it is and they are only $1200.
SAP rego in Sydney is upward of $2200 for SAP and more for NPL, it’s just become ridiculous.
No way the best kids are being picks for these programs but only the ones that their parents can afford it. Most Regos in Newcastle vary from $900 to $1200 from what I’ve heard.
In the next few years we will lose more and more kids to AFL and NRL because $200 will get you a full rego in those codes, something has to change at the top before it gets out of hand.

[Aegon]

Development comes with winning games,(even trainers at the license courses tell you that) goes hand in hand unless you are say that one Lake Macquarie sap team that just booted the ball up the field every chance they got. But they also set their pitch up for that if you noticed how they marked the keepers box so they could near shoot from goal kicks ��*♂️ And coach encouraging it ��

They definitely weren't the only team to play like this. The most annoying part of it is the clubs that are playing the football that they are supposed to according to the curriculum seem to instruct their players and game leaders that kids will be blown for offside if it's blatant. Then you'll play against teams where they are not playing offside at all. Our boys then can't understand why they aren't getting pulled up for offside and have to try and change the way they think mid game.


Anyway did anyone see the new guidelines NSW football just released for Sydney SAP? As of 2021 a under 9s and up SAP coach will require a minimum B license to coach 9 yr olds ��*♂️
Wow, most clubs in Newy only require the skills coaching course don't they? I know some aim for C license or for coaches who commit to getting their C license though.


SAP rego in Sydney is upward of $2200 for SAP and more for NPL, it’s just become ridiculous.

Makes me feel a little better about my sons fees this year :)


No way the best kids are being picks for these programs but only the ones that their parents can afford it. Most Regos in Newcastle vary from $900 to $1200 from what I’ve heard.
In the next few years we will lose more and more kids to AFL and NRL because $200 will get you a full rego in those codes, something has to change at the top before it gets out of hand.

Yeh, it's not right at all. There will definitely be kids missing out because their parents can't afford to pay that amount of money.
As you say above as well about losing players, how is the code going to attract new players with those sort of prices? Try telling parents in league stronghold areas that their son may be a gifted player in NRL and Football but to make the step up in one code you'll have to pay thousands vs in the other that will be relatively free.

Which one will they choose?

[plague]

Development comes with winning games,(even trainers at the license courses tell you that)

oh for sure.
but what is becoming clearer and clearer the longer this program extends is that the more skillful teams, who are sticking to the curriculum are the ones winning the most games.

a hoof ball bash team will get a win here and there but the best teams in the older age group are creating a gap on the bash and barge brigade.
this is only going to become more evident as they get older.

the best clubs are doing it right. winning with good football is the goal here and plenty of teams are doing it that way.

[plague]

They definitely weren't the only team to play like this. The most annoying part of it is the clubs that are playing the football that they are supposed to according to the curriculum seem to instruct their players and game leaders that kids will be blown for offside if it's blatant. Then you'll play against teams where they are not playing offside at all. Our boys then can't understand why they aren't getting pulled up for offside and have to try and change the way they think mid game.

thats on the clubs and refs to sort that out.
all clubs are given the rules each season. pretty much every week our club needs to ref the club sends an email asking for volunteers and attaches a copy of the rules.
granted, we'd all love to see people other than mums and dads do it, but majority of them that ive seen have played and know the rules. if its blatant as you say, get your coach and/or a NNSW official to talk to the ref. if its done in a non abusive and civilised way it should benefit everyone.

if its coaches and parents just yelling shit from the sidelines to the ref mid game then yeah that wont end well. ive seen that up close more than a few times.

[Aegon]

thats on the clubs and refs to sort that out.
all clubs are given the rules each season. pretty much every week our club needs to ref the club sends an email asking for volunteers and attaches a copy of the rules.
granted, we'd all love to see people other than mums and dads do it, but majority of them that ive seen have played and know the rules. if its blatant as you say, get your coach and/or a NNSW official to talk to the ref. if its done in a non abusive and civilised way it should benefit everyone.

if its coaches and parents just yelling shit from the sidelines to the ref mid game then yeah that wont end well. ive seen that up close more than a few times.

I think our coaches have been directed not to address other clubs game leaders regardless of rulings, etc. What normally happens is that the coaches have to deal with it at half time or when defensive players are subbed. The result is though that it pushes the goalies back deeper in their box as the defenders have to drop deeper to defend blatently offside players.
That's contrary to what the players are trained for, e.g.
Goalies playing a high sweeping role, Defenders pushing to half way when attacking, etc. It ends up splitting both teams up with bigger gaps between the players and less passing play.

Again - it comes back to poor direction from the clubs and a lack of direction and control from NNSWF.

[plague]

Again - it comes back to poor direction from the clubs and a lack of direction and control from NNSWF.

Every time I've reffed I've spoken to both coaches pre-game and asked if they had any questions. First year I told them how I was going to get offside as if noticed it was a point of confusion for many.

After that, zero concerns. I'd love to see a NNSW rep (out at the facility) talk to refs pregame to make things clear. There are plenty of tracksuits walking around each game day. Again, they'd prob only need to talk to each ref once a year but it would prob save a lot of grief.

[Aegon]

Every time I've reffed I've spoken to both coaches pre-game and asked if they had any questions. First year I told them how I was going to get offside as if noticed it was a point of confusion for many.

After that, zero concerns. I'd love to see a NNSW rep (out at the facility) talk to refs pregame to make things clear. There are plenty of tracksuits walking around each game day. Again, they'd prob only need to talk to each ref once a year but it would prob save a lot of grief.

Ya I agree. The offside and drop off rules seem to be the most inconsistently applied. Only other weird one is that some game leaders have allowed direct free kicks to be scored.

I'd also love to see the NNSW reps get involved, at the least it would get them off their phones when they should be paying attention. However most of the young blokes I have seen there have no idea about SAP anyway.

[Dontknowmuch]

[QUOTE=Yaa Yaa;232486]Development comes with winning games,(even trainers at the license courses tell you that) goes hand in hand unless you are say that one Lake Macquarie sap team that just booted the ball up the field every chance they got. But they also set their pitch up for that if you noticed how they marked the keepers box so they could near shoot from goal kicks 🤷*♂️ And coach encouraging it 🤣

My god what a poor comment. Without losing/failure no-one will reach there full potential in anything winning/success helps and trainers at licences courses won't tell you development only comes from winning or success that is complete garbage. What they will tell you that competitive parents like yourself will stunt their kids development and the kids of competitive parents are more likely not to reach their full potential and generally get lost to the game. Parents that focus on what other teams do during the game are purley result orientated, you should be thankful that different teams offer different experiences for your child's team to deal with it's all part of their development. Stop worrying about results and winning and let your kids enjoy their football.

[Retired01]

[QUOTE=Yaa Yaa;232486]Development comes with winning games,(even trainers at the license courses tell you that) goes hand in hand unless you are say that one Lake Macquarie sap team that just booted the ball up the field every chance they got. But they also set their pitch up for that if you noticed how they marked the keepers box so they could near shoot from goal kicks ��*♂️ And coach encouraging it ��

My god what a poor comment. Without losing/failure no-one will reach there full potential in anything winning/success helps and trainers at licences courses won't tell you development only comes from winning or success that is complete garbage. What they will tell you that competitive parents like yourself will stunt their kids development and the kids of competitive parents are more likely not to reach their full potential and generally get lost to the game. Parents that focus on what other teams do during the game are purley result orientated, you should be thankful that different teams offer different experiences for your child's team to deal with it's all part of their development. Stop worrying about results and winning and let your kids enjoy their football.

As an Ex soccer Player myself and watching SAP week in week out for the past few years. I can honestly say the rule book is out the window. I have witnessed.
- Parents yelling at Referees
- Coaching sledging coaches and referees (Even a basic rule where I saw a coach yell at the opposition coaches for cheating on offside when the boy was in his own half)
- Children back chatting referees
- parents sledging opposition children
- Tackles which belong on rugby fields
- Karate kicks
- kicked from behind

Many times it all goes unpunished or a simple free kick. The rules in this so called competition are non existent.
We all talk amongst ourselves as parents between clubs as a lot of us grew up a similar ages and played with and against each other.
You pay the money or get left behind but we people aren't impressed with this standard.

[Dontknowmuch]

[QUOTE=Dontknowmuch;232***]

As an Ex soccer Player myself and watching SAP week in week out for the past few years. I can honestly say the rule book is out the window. I have witnessed.
- Parents yelling at Referees
- Coaching sledging coaches and referees (Even a basic rule where I saw a coach yell at the opposition coaches for cheating on offside when the boy was in his own half)
- Children back chatting referees
- parents sledging opposition children
- Tackles which belong on rugby fields
- Karate kicks
- kicked from behind

Many times it all goes unpunished or a simple free kick. The rules in this so called competition are non existent.
We all talk amongst ourselves as parents between clubs as a lot of us grew up a similar ages and played with and against each other.
You pay the money or get left behind but we people aren't impressed with this standard.

This is all from the win at all costs culture that parents are portraying. It doesn't surprise me with the comments from some on here.

[Yaa Yaa]

[QUOTE=Yaa Yaa;232486]Development comes with winning games,(even trainers at the license courses tell you that) goes hand in hand unless you are say that one Lake Macquarie sap team that just booted the ball up the field every chance they got. But they also set their pitch up for that if you noticed how they marked the keepers box so they could near shoot from goal kicks 🤷*♂️ And coach encouraging it 🤣

My god what a poor comment. Without losing/failure no-one will reach there full potential in anything winning/success helps and trainers at licences courses won't tell you development only comes from winning or success that is complete garbage. What they will tell you that competitive parents like yourself will stunt their kids development and the kids of competitive parents are more likely not to reach their full potential and generally get lost to the game. Parents that focus on what other teams do during the game are purley result orientated, you should be thankful that different teams offer different experiences for your child's team to deal with it's all part of their development. Stop worrying about results and winning and let your kids enjoy their football.
My god you’re a clown.You clearly live up to your group name and still can’t separate their from there.
You wouldn’t know the 1st thing about football judging by your comments.

[Dontknowmuch]

[QUOTE=Dontknowmuch;232***]
My god you’re a clown.You clearly live up to your group name and still can’t separate their from there.
You wouldn’t know the 1st thing about football judging by your comments.

Is that all?

A grammar lesson. Bit disappointed.

[cobra23]

[QUOTE=Yaa Yaa;232486]Development comes with winning games,(even trainers at the license courses tell you that) goes hand in hand unless you are say that one Lake Macquarie sap team that just booted the ball up the field every chance they got. But they also set their pitch up for that if you noticed how they marked the keepers box so they could near shoot from goal kicks ��*♂️ And coach encouraging it ��

My god what a poor comment. Without losing/failure no-one will reach there full potential in anything winning/success helps and trainers at licences courses won't tell you development only comes from winning or success that is complete garbage. What they will tell you that competitive parents like yourself will stunt their kids development and the kids of competitive parents are more likely not to reach their full potential and generally get lost to the game. Parents that focus on what other teams do during the game are purley result orientated, you should be thankful that different teams offer different experiences for your child's team to deal with it's all part of their development. Stop worrying about results and winning and let your kids enjoy their football.

i wouldn't be putting my kid through this SAP program just to muck around and enjoy it , way to expensive for that!!
my son has been in this system for a couple of years now and he quite likes the disciplined side of things, he gets a lot more enjoyment developing and being part of a group of kids that want to learn and become better footballers.
his community team was all about having fun and all that , but that was for the kids who don't see them selves going further. and believe me a lot of them did like not losing week in week out .. ( that's not fun)

[YewYew]

Clubs that have SAP teams (except for new Lambton last year) did not field NET teams.

Magic are fielding SAP & NET teams next year, but what im told is they can't get numbers to fill all spots in NET for 10s and 11s. maybe SAP has vacuumed up all the kids that go alright and theres not enough to go round?

[Aegon]

Who knows, maybe the attitude of not seeking victory and excellence is what encourages mediocrity in today’s society?

I don’t personally follow the win at all costs mantra but I definitely think we’re kidding ourselves if we don’t think the kids understand the concept of winning and losing even when scores are not kept. Jr and his mates would know the exact score of every game even in U6 Mini-Roos and they were happy or upset depending on that.

What I completely disagree with though is the result over development ethos. All the players should continually taught the right skill set and be encouraged to utilise it in games. There is no point teaching the boys about ball control, beating a player 1v1, touch and pass, etc if then you get to a game and throw a big fast kid up front and then kick long all game.

[Aegon]

Magic are fielding SAP & NET teams next year, but what im told is they can't get numbers to fill all spots in NET for 10s and 11s. maybe SAP has vacuumed up all the kids that go alright and theres not enough to go round?

For 10’s that would be 25-30 players and 11’s would be 30-35. That’s a lot of kids in each age group for a club who are even selective in Mini-Roos.

[plague]

im still staggered that people dont seem to understand that of course everyone wants to win the games, but that winning the games by playing good football and using the skills you are taught in training is the whole damn point of the program.
if teams/players/coaches/parents just want to win games at any cost then SAP probably isnt for them. SAP isnt the be all and end all. there are other pathways, and kids will succeed via programs other than SAP.

[Reds Forever]

Magic are fielding SAP & NET teams next year, but what im told is they can't get numbers to fill all spots in NET for 10s and 11s. maybe SAP has vacuumed up all the kids that go alright and theres not enough to go round?

Keep in mind that Magic Youth run the NET and Magic NPL do SAP. Two separate clubs with one Junior club and other the Seniors.

[YewYew]

What I completely disagree with though is the result over development ethos. All the players should continually taught the right skill set and be encouraged to utilise it in games. There is no point teaching the boys about ball control, beating a player 1v1, touch and pass, etc if then you get to a game and throw a big fast kid up front and then kick long all game.

I saw jaffas do this last year though. Big fast kid up top, coaches kid, and loads of long ball. Guess those kids who got cut from jaffas probably played mids & never touched the ball!

[YewYew]

Keep in mind that Magic Youth run the NET and Magic NPL do SAP. Two separate clubs with one Junior club and other the Seniors.

Who you kidding? 95% kids in magic sap comes from junior club. The pretend two clubs thing is bs

[YewYew]

For 10’s that would be 25-30 players and 11’s would be 30-35. That’s a lot of kids in each age group for a club who are even selective in Mini-Roos.

People say not many kids showed for sap trials though at 10s n 11s.

[plague]

I saw jaffas do this last year though. Big fast kid up top, coaches kid, and loads of long ball. Guess those kids who got cut from jaffas probably played mids & never touched the ball!

In 10's?

[Reds Forever]

Who you kidding? 95% kids in magic sap comes from junior club. The pretend two clubs thing is bs

Number of kids from U12 Net(Juniors) to U13 NPL(Seniors) says differently.

[YewYew]

In 10's?

Nuh - 9s. 1 team who try to play, 1 who kicked long to the big boy. But on here they say loads now gone from 9s. $$ says they from the long ball team

[YewYew]

Number of kids from U12 Net(Juniors) to U13 NPL(Seniors) says differently.

That don’t mean nothing. Magic juniors in 8s go to magic sap. Facts

[Jim]

I saw jaffas do this last year though. Big fast kid up top, coaches kid, and loads of long ball. Guess those kids who got cut from jaffas probably played mids & never touched the ball!

Well i watched the 10's this year and saw both the 9's in between.

This is the same kid that also played in goals, left & right mid like the rest of the players? So he scored some goals big deal. They played a decent passing game as well.

Sounds like you have a problem and need some therapy. Grow up and get over it.

[Jim]

That don’t mean nothing. Magic juniors in 8s go to magic sap. Facts

Magic do not grow juniors. They get them in from other clubs including at 8's. No wonder no one likes the culture of your club. Fact

[plague]

Nuh - 9s. 1 team who try to play, 1 who kicked long to the big boy. But on here they say loads now gone from 9s. $$ says they from the long ball team

cant say i spent too much time watching Jaffas 9's but their 10's are really good. good bunch of kids and coaches and they have always played football from day 1.
was really disappointed that they went to 1 team next year as they had a really good bunch of kids. have heard a few of them have got spots (some in really good teams). Good on them. as a parent id hate to see my kid left without a team through no real fault of their own.

[YewYew]

Well i watched the 10's this year and saw both the 9's in between.

This is the same kid that also played in goals, left & right mid like the rest of the players? So he scored some goals big deal. They played a decent passing game as well.

Sounds like you have a problem and need some therapy. Grow up and get over it.

Chill Jimbo. I ain’t picking on jaffas, I saw lots of teams last year and all had the same. Magic long balled to quick kids up front, Maitland long balled to big kids, Valo direct as well. Edgy tried to play but when playing big teams the long ball come out. Teams wanna win so go direct vs better teams. I saw jaffas more than any other team and they did it most. 🤷*♂️

[YewYew]

Magic do not grow juniors. They get them in from other clubs including at 8's. No wonder no one likes the culture of your club. Fact

Jimmy jimmy - you ain’t following this well. Magic nothing to do with me - I’m saying they raid the junior club for players and others saying they different clubs. 🤷*♂️ Magic is Magic. Junior / senior don’t mean shit.

[Yaa Yaa]

Magic do not grow juniors. They get them in from other clubs including at 8's. No wonder no one likes the culture of your club. Fact
You’re a deadset clown and have no idea what you’re talking about.
90% of Magic’s SAP kids have come from the juniors so stop talking shit.
I know my son has been there with the same teammates since under 6/7s with a couple added this year.
Why does everyone put magic down? Because they are successful I’m guessing.
Our coach informed us that all the kids will be retained for SAP and only need to add 4 players for next years 11s and I know the 10s kept their boys also and were more than happy with kids they had.
I just don’t get this agenda against magic and I’m glad I took my son there to play.

[Yaa Yaa]

Chill Jimbo. I ain’t picking on jaffas, I saw lots of teams last year and all had the same. Magic long balled to quick kids up front, Maitland long balled to big kids, Valo direct as well. Edgy tried to play but when playing big teams the long ball come out. Teams wanna win so go direct vs better teams. I saw jaffas more than any other team and they did it most. 🤷*♂️

Not sure which magic team you watched but I never seen this and I watched the 9s and 10s. Yeah the odd kid might panic from time to time and pump one long and what’s wrong with that? They are only 9 and 10 and still learning but the coaches never encouraged it like you think.

[Goatscheese]

You’re a deadset clown and have no idea what you’re talking about.
90% of Magic’s SAP kids have come from the juniors so stop talking shit.
I know my son has been there with the same teammates since under 6/7s with a couple added this year.
Why does everyone put magic down? Because they are successful I’m guessing.
Our coach informed us that all the kids will be retained for SAP and only need to add 4 players for next years 11s and I know the 10s kept their boys also and were more than happy with kids they had.
I just don’t get this agenda against magic and I’m glad I took my son there to play.

You should have a look at their U13 NPL team almost all of them are not the players in their NET team last year that also came through SAP. In fact 3/4 of their U13 NPL team came from Macquarie SAP

[Yaa Yaa]

You should have a look at their U13 NPL team almost all of them are not the players in their NET team last year that also came through SAP. In fact 3/4 of their U13 NPL team came from Macquarie SAP

I heard it may have been because of the jets not being able to play those kids a year up in Sydney Comp and some of them have come to magic and not sure how competitive they were tbh as I never seen them play.
It’s a stupid idea to have 9s/10s sap and play under the senior set up and then 11s & 12s goes net and under juniors set up, dumbest thing I’ve heard, glad it’s changing.
But on a comment I read earlier on this forum ive heard it’s true the seniors and jrns don’t have a good relationship so that could be a factor.

[YewYew]

It’s a stupid idea to have 9s/10s sap and play under the senior set up and then 11s & 12s goes net and under juniors set up, dumbest thing I’ve heard, glad it’s changing.
But on a comment I read earlier on this forum ive heard it’s true the seniors and jrns don’t have a good relationship so that could be a factor.

Wait, u saying that magic SAP 11 & 12s r under the junior club NET management???? Or just that sap managed by seniors and NET by juniors?

Agree 100% tho - any club managing development teams under two set ups ain’t doing something right.

Why don’t Juniors and seniors get on?

[plague]

Agree 100% tho - any club managing development teams under two set ups ain’t doing something right.


this problem isnt exclusive to Magic. NNSW changed the SAP/development structure. Instead of trying to change all development programs they drew a line at U/9's in 2018. SAP is supposed to be run by the seniors as it is the direct pathway from 9's to NPL.
NNSW set up that structure.

[plague]

You should have a look at their U13 NPL team almost all of them are not the players in their NET team last year that also came through SAP. In fact 3/4 of their U13 NPL team came from Macquarie SAP

i think you also need to realise that a lot of kids 'want' to play for Magic. Its not like they are kidnapping kids off the street and bundling them into vans to go play for them.
They are one of the top teams reputation wise for success so kids who do well prob want to give themselves the best chance as they get older. If they go trial or are good enough for someone to notice them then why should it be anyones business whether they go play for Magic/Olympic or Jaffas.

Also, in SAP theres one club that has some terrific players and no pathway to NPL. in 2 years time those kids are gonna be looking for a club in the highest grade. A bunch of kids are gonna end up in those types of clubs, and none of it will be the kids fault. and if magic/olympic/jaffas etc offer them a spot i honestly dont see the issue.

[Aegon]

i think you also need to realise that a lot of kids 'want' to play for Magic. Its not like they are kidnapping kids off the street and bundling them into vans to go play for them.
They are one of the top teams reputation wise for success so kids who do well prob want to give themselves the best chance as they get older. If they go trial or are good enough for someone to notice them then why should it be anyones business whether they go play for Magic/Olympic or Jaffas.

Also, in SAP theres one club that has some terrific players and no pathway to NPL. in 2 years time those kids are gonna be looking for a club in the highest grade. A bunch of kids are gonna end up in those types of clubs, and none of it will be the kids fault. and if magic/olympic/jaffas etc offer them a spot i honestly dont see the issue.

Has there been any talk within NL from parents about intentions at U13’s? It’d be a hard choice to leave a club after spending 4 enjoyable years there.

[Captain_Carl]

You should have a look at their U13 NPL team almost all of them are not the players in their NET team last year that also came through SAP. In fact 3/4 of their U13 NPL team came from Macquarie SAP

Fact Check time:
Broadmeadow Magic U13 NPL Squads ... number of boys from Macquarie SAP
2019 - 3
2020 - 4

[plague]

Has there been any talk within NL from parents about intentions at U13’s? It’d be a hard choice to leave a club after spending 4 enjoyable years there.

yeah one of those tough ones.
its not the clubs fault, they would love to be in NPL im sure (same prob gonna happen with Cooks Hill once they start up SAP too i assume).


Kids are pretty loyal to each other and esp the coaches. without speaking for anyone else id say they'll stick together for 12's SAP (if picked) then go where the best opportunities are. Most kids/parents have connections with other clubs and a few of them have already been asked about the future.

as fantastic as the club has been theres not much else can be done when the kids just want (and are good enough) to play at the highest levels.

[Goatscheese]

i think you also need to realise that a lot of kids 'want' to play for Magic. Its not like they are kidnapping kids off the street and bundling them into vans to go play for them.
They are one of the top teams reputation wise for success so kids who do well prob want to give themselves the best chance as they get older. If they go trial or are good enough for someone to notice them then why should it be anyones business whether they go play for Magic/Olympic or Jaffas.

Also, in SAP theres one club that has some terrific players and no pathway to NPL. in 2 years time those kids are gonna be looking for a club in the highest grade. A bunch of kids are gonna end up in those types of clubs, and none of it will be the kids fault. and if magic/olympic/jaffas etc offer them a spot i honestly dont see the issue.

I'm not saying anything about kids going over to other clubs, but I am saying that the statement of Magic keeping their junior players from SAP/NET into NPL isn't true, they don't keep many of them at all.

[Yaa Yaa]

I'm not saying anything about kids going over to other clubs, but I am saying that the statement of Magic keeping their junior players from SAP/NET into NPL isn't true, they don't keep many of them at all.

So because 1 team has done it 1 year you make out they never do it? Right got it 🤦*♂️ What about the 9s 10s 11s 14s and so on? Oh just because the 13s broke a trend they are stealing players and stacking sides. Unbelievable

[Aegon]

I'm not saying anything about kids going over to other clubs, but I am saying that the statement of Magic keeping their junior players from SAP/NET into NPL isn't true, they don't keep many of them at all.

That's hard to base that on anything tangible. NET has only been around for a few years and club SAP hasn't been around long enough for any kids to be old enough to move into NPL yet.

If you are referencing Zone SAP's then Magic is far from alone in bringing in Newcastle/Macquarie SAP players into their club at U13's.

[Aegon]

Fact Check time:
Broadmeadow Magic U13 NPL Squads ... number of boys from Macquarie SAP
2019 - 3
2020 - 4

How many Magic NET boys have made the squads?

Don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking Magic for bringing in zone SAP kids. was just interested in what sort of numbers from the NET team are actually making it through after Newcastle/Macquarie SAP kids have been selected. Same would happen at Olympic, Jaffas, Edgy, etc.

[Aegon]

Jaffas are much better organised for the start of next year.
Training days and times are locked in with all SAP teams training at the same time and place starting late January.
Pre season games are all scheduled for each weekend in Feb with an intra club season launch day happening the week before the season starts.
Fees have been broken down into 5 or 6 monthly payments to make it less of a burden.
Uniform sizing and ordering has already taken place.

Only thing left really is for the 9's and 10's players to find out which team they are in and who their teammates will be.

[Goatscheese]

So because 1 team has done it 1 year you make out they never do it? Right got it 🤦*♂️ What about the 9s 10s 11s 14s and so on? Oh just because the 13s broke a trend they are stealing players and stacking sides. Unbelievable

You're the one making wild claims, I'm just proving you wrong. It only needs to happen once to debase your claim.


That's hard to base that on anything tangible. NET has only been around for a few years and club SAP hasn't been around long enough for any kids to be old enough to move into NPL yet.

If you are referencing Zone SAP's then Magic is far from alone in bringing in Newcastle/Macquarie SAP players into their club at U13's.

I don't care if Magic keep all their SAP and NET players or gets rid of all of them at the end of each year. I'm just pointing out that it isn't true that they always keep their players.

[Captain_Carl]

How many Magic NET boys have made the squads?

Don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking Magic for bringing in zone SAP kids. was just interested in what sort of numbers from the NET team are actually making it through after Newcastle/Macquarie SAP kids have been selected. Same would happen at Olympic, Jaffas, Edgy, etc.

The majority are from the SAP teams (including Emerging Jets players for 2020 season). Only 4 from Magic U12 NET team.

[Aegon]

The majority are from the SAP teams (including Emerging Jets players for 2020 season). Only 4 from Magic U12 NET team.

Makes sense. SAP play and train a lot more than NET players. You'd have to think it gives them more of a leg up.

[Yaa Yaa]

You're the one making wild claims, I'm just proving you wrong. It only needs to happen once to debase your claim.



I don't care if Magic keep all their SAP and NET players or gets rid of all of them at the end of each year. I'm just pointing out that it isn't true that they always keep their players.

What are you on about goose? who said they “always” keep their players? No club can “always” keep their players, what a stupid moronic comment that is.

[londonboy]

Pre season games are all scheduled for each weekend in Feb with an intra club season launch day happening the week before the season starts.

Who are Jaffas playing their pre-season games against? I think pre-season is a great time to play against teams you wouldn't normally come up against - Sydney, Central Coast, even mid-North Coast teams. I know travel can be a hassle, but I'd see mini trips away as a team bonding / learning opportunity for kids this age.

[QUOTE=Aegon;232734] Fees have been broken down into 5 or 6 monthly payments to make it less of a burden. [QUOTE=Aegon;232734]

Great idea. This should be rolled out across all SAP teams. I'd be surprised if some clubs didn't have to chase up fees at the end of each season, so something like this would probably make their lives a hell of a lot easier too.

[londonboy]

The majority are from the SAP teams (including Emerging Jets players for 2020 season). Only 4 from Magic U12 NET team.

Are these kids being actively recruited, or are they attending open trials and getting selected that way? Hopefully the Magic kids not selected are able to find somewhere to play elsewhere.

Anyone know if clubs help kids not retained at their clubs to find somewhere else to play? If these kids have been at a club for a long time it would be nice to know clubs still look out for them, even if they don't have a place for them anymore. Everyone knows everyone in the Newcastle football world, so I hope a few calls are made and kids are helped on their way.