2020 Premier Club SAP

[Yaa Yaa]

Are these kids being actively recruited, or are they attending open trials and getting selected that way? Hopefully the Magic kids not selected are able to find somewhere to play elsewhere.

Anyone know if clubs help kids not retained at their clubs to find somewhere else to play? If these kids have been at a club for a long time it would be nice to know clubs still look out for them, even if they don't have a place for them anymore. Everyone knows everyone in the Newcastle football world, so I hope a few calls are made and kids are helped on their way.

I know our club offered kids not selected in SAP opportunities to play in the net program or community sides.

[traffic light]

You’re a deadset clown and have no idea what you’re talking about.
90% of Magic’s SAP kids have come from the juniors so stop talking shit.
I know my son has been there with the same teammates since under 6/7s with a couple added this year.
Why does everyone put magic down? Because they are successful I’m guessing.
Our coach informed us that all the kids will be retained for SAP and only need to add 4 players for next years 11s and I know the 10s kept their boys also and were more than happy with kids they had.
I just don’t get this agenda against magic and I’m glad I took my son there to play.

Listen to this grub trying to back up the grub club. Wouldnt expect anything less.

You poach well before 9 & 10s. But the worst thing about the filthy culture is the win at all costs, play like grubs when you lose and arrogant when you win. I dont see this very often from other clubs.

As above you grabbed most 2020 13s from SAP and kept 4 Net players. bye grub

[Yaa Yaa]

Listen to this grub trying to back up the grub club. Wouldnt expect anything less.

You poach well before 9 & 10s. But the worst thing about the filthy culture is the win at all costs, play like grubs when you lose and arrogant when you win. I dont see this very often from other clubs.

As above you grabbed most 2020 13s from SAP and kept 4 Net players. bye grub


Hahahahahha Sounds like someone’s kid has either been cut or spanked by magic, I can taste the saltiness through the phone 🤣🤣🤣 on ya bike loser. Club champions. 🏆 #magic

[Goatscheese]

What are you on about goose? who said they “always” keep their players? No club can “always” keep their players, what a stupid moronic comment that is.

I know so please stop making silly claims.

[Yaa Yaa]

I know so please stop making silly claims.
You know nothing!! Just like to spread rumours about magic because you have some agenda against them. Hate all you want but it’s pretty pathetic that you’re so infatuated with SAP football and to me it just stinks of either you or your son being rejected by them at some point. I can understand a rivalry when they get older but to have so much hate for a club at SAP and NPL level is beyond me. Build a bridge and get over it.

[Aegon]

You know nothing!! Just like to spread rumours about magic because you have some agenda against them. Hate all you want but it’s pretty pathetic that you’re so infatuated with SAP football and to me it just stinks of either you or your son being rejected by them at some point. I can understand a rivalry when they get older but to have so much hate for a club at SAP and NPL level is beyond me. Build a bridge and get over it.

Mate, you're not doing yourself any favours. You're just feeding the trolls. No club is perfect at the end of the day.

[plague]

Excellent, can I join in.

Here is my Barnyard, i own it.
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/73/2c/74/732c7468768d2c77c8c95f6418a1703d.jpg

and here is a recent photo of my dad, who obviously is much bigger than all your dads.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/98/87/bb/9887bb3f3d0ef4f052443ac888fe5269.jpg

cheers,
Plague.

[Yaa Yaa]

Mate, you're not doing yourself any favours. You're just feeding the trolls. No club is perfect at the end of the day.

I’m not trying to do myself a favour, I just can’t understand a person calling SAP and NPL teams “grubs” they are kids ffs. He cries about poaching but has he ever thought a kid may wanna play for them and has approached magic or gone to their trials? I bet he wouldn’t be calling them grubs if he wasn’t hiding behind his keyboard 😉 carry on. Just looked on the other forums (ZPL)and he calls the suns grubs also hmmmm is there a pattern here?

[Dontknowmuch]

I’m not trying to do myself a favour, I just can’t understand a person calling SAP and NPL teams “grubs” they are kids ffs. He cries about poaching but has he ever thought a kid may wanna play for them and has approached magic or gone to their trials? I bet he wouldn’t be calling them grubs if he wasn’t hiding behind his keyboard 😉 carry on. Just looked on the other forums (ZPL)and he calls the suns grubs also hmmmm is there a pattern here?

With the winning culture you go on with on here, if you are a coach or some type of rep of Magic then i could probably get why you could be called a 'grub'. With your mentality i hope you don't coach any kids it will only ruin any chance they have of being the best they can be. There are plenty on here offering you advice might need to start thinking about taking some.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

Just out of curiosity. With the Jets academy needing a U13 team for the 2021 and I would suggest most of the players from the Emerging Jets who have just joined NPL clubs would be the better players in that age group and could be selected do the clubs have any plans put in place to replace the Emerging Jets kids in 2021 that have joined their club this season?

[pastor399]

Just looked on the other forums (ZPL)and he calls the suns grubs also hmmmm is there a pattern here?

There is a pattern, but I don't think it is the one you are implying.

[Yaa Yaa]

With the winning culture you go on with on here, if you are a coach or some type of rep of Magic then i could probably get why you could be called a 'grub'. With your mentality i hope you don't coach any kids it will only ruin any chance they have of being the best they can be. There are plenty on here offering you advice might need to start thinking about taking some.

Coach? No don’t have the patience, but I reckon I might know a little bit more than you about the game, just a little 😉

[Yaa Yaa]

There is a pattern, but I don't think it is the one you are implying.

Yeah I think it may be, I’m not Macedonian myself but I find them great people, I look forward to a kebapi roll every week 😍

[traffic light]

Nice to see the parent of the year having a cry. Sad thing it's true.

Talking of patterns why do some of the kids at your club cry when they lose? It's only a game with no points. Pathetic culture and arrogance will do that.

Bit like some of their supporters on here hey yaa. great song too. Troll? lol god no that happens when you cant see the truth. Just observation and if you cant handle it then back to the grubhouse. Now for the win at all cost parent of the year to reply, carn!

[Yaa Yaa]

Nice to see the parent of the year having a cry. Sad thing it's true.

Talking of patterns why do some of the kids at your club cry when they lose? It's only a game with no points. Pathetic culture and arrogance will do that.

Bit like some of their supporters on here hey yaa. great song too. Troll? lol god no that happens when you cant see the truth. Just observation and if you cant handle it then back to the grubhouse. Now for the win at all cost parent of the year to reply, carn!

Hahaha ok I’ll bite, cry when they lose? 🤣🤣🤣 where do you come up with this crap? I don’t remember seeing anyone in our side cry over a loss, can’t speak about the other teams but didn’t notice anyone. You must keep a close eye on these things. But a kid crying because he’s lost a game is “pathetic culture” 🤦*♂️ They are 9 and 10yrs old you imbecile, they cry when they lose on a game of Fortnite or what ever they play on their PlayStation these days.
You really do have issues don’t you? “Grubhouse” hahahah wtf is that? Are you a SAP player by any chance judging by your comments I don’t think I’m far off. “Win at all costs” another brilliant comment 🥴

[Doopche]

Nice to see the parent of the year having a cry. Sad thing it's true.

Talking of patterns why do some of the kids at your club cry when they lose? It's only a game with no points. Pathetic culture and arrogance will do that.

Bit like some of their supporters on here hey yaa. great song too. Troll? lol god no that happens when you cant see the truth. Just observation and if you cant handle it then back to the grubhouse. Now for the win at all cost parent of the year to reply, carn!

Pathetic culture? Grubhouse? Not sure if that’s even a word but anyway. Win at all costs? You got all that from seeing a kid cry at a game? How about you pull your head in and let the kids enjoy their football and make their own mistakes and learn from them without you dickhead dads carrying on worse than the kids on a football forum about 10yr olds. Half of you probably never kicked a ball in your lives.

[plague]

Pathetic culture? Grubhouse? Not sure if that’s even a word but anyway. Win at all costs? You got all that from seeing a kid cry at a game? How about you pull your head in and let the kids enjoy their football and make their own mistakes and learn from them without you dickhead dads carrying on worse than the kids on a football forum about 10yr olds. Half of you probably never kicked a ball in your lives.

wait, i didnt think Traffic Light has a kid in the current SAP setup does he?
just thought it was some deep down hatred of one particular club and just goes thread to thread throwing shit up against a wall.
i mean, im bored as **** by it but hes caping up for his cause and you gotta admire the blokes dedication.
most people would have taken the hint 10 pages ago but little buddys still here, plugging away.

[The Dunster]

If the kids are happy with SAP that's all that matters. If the kids aren't happy then changes need to be made. It's that simple.
The dickhead parent element might have changed format but it's still something the game needs to eliminate.

[Aegon]

If the kids are happy with SAP that's all that matters. If the kids aren't happy then changes need to be made. It's that simple.
The dickhead parent element might have changed format but it's still something the game needs to eliminate.

Dickhead parents are in every sport at every age, its not something that can be eliminated.
It can however be influenced by each club proactively, unfortunately it doesn't always have the same re-enforcement from club to club.

I've been very happy with how Jaffas have communicated this through to parents from day 1 and there are some active club officials who will have words with parents/families if they are being too vocal on game days.
There has been repeated emphasis on no coaching from the sidelines from parents, even to the extent of discouraging the coaches from instructing the players during the game. The latest newsletter was quite clear that poor parent behavior will be detrimental to a child's future selection.

Jaffas and Olympic had games last year where the coaches from both teams were banished from the sidelines and the players had to run subs themselves and figure out everything on their own. it was probably some of the best football I have watched.

[Captain_Carl]

Just out of curiosity. With the Jets academy needing a U13 team for the 2021 and I would suggest most of the players from the Emerging Jets who have just joined NPL clubs would be the better players in that age group and could be selected do the clubs have any plans put in place to replace the Emerging Jets kids in 2021 that have joined their club this season?

Charlestown have taken 8 of the Emerging Jets into their U13 squad for 2020 so if a number of them get re-selected in Jets for 2021 it will leave a bit of a hole.

[Yaa Yaa]

Charlestown have taken 8 of the Emerging Jets into their U13 squad for 2020 so if a number of them get re-selected in Jets for 2021 it will leave a bit of a hole.

😱 what other clubs outside Magic are signing players that didn’t come from net or SAP? How dare they do that. 🙃

[hamburgler]

Jesus this forum is becoming a joke

[Retired01]

Ive been amazed by the crap that has been written back and forth by keyboard warriors to simply make themselves feel important. To bring this back to something which may actually assist in improving the program for the KIDS and COACHES.
What do you dislike or is a great benefit of the program?

Likes
After following since 9s I feel the base skills have improved considerably of the boys.
Splitting of the competition last year into tiers

Dislikes
Disregard of rules and safety of players during games (dangerous fouls, abuse of referees and players by parents) which cannot be policed while impartial referees are not used.

[plague]

Dislikes
Disregard of rules and safety of players during games (dangerous fouls, abuse of referees and players by parents) which cannot be policed while impartial referees are not used.

yeah without wanting to get into any more finger pointing, im not sure neutral refs are gonna stop dickheads being dickheads. as discussed before, a better presence from NNSW (esp at the facility) talking to refs pre-match and stepping in if they see any bullshit going on would prob be just a big a benefit.


on that though, and we've all got 'stories' about it, but ive been really impressed with the coaches, parents and players. the scene is really good and as they get older the kids are all getting to know their opponents, and build relationships with other clubs. there isnt any of that old school 'hatred' that a lot of the older generation probably pine for. there are some really super talented kids out there and it would be awesome to see them in Jets colours (or better) in the future.

[Yaa Yaa]

Ive been amazed by the crap that has been written back and forth by keyboard warriors to simply make themselves feel important. To bring this back to something which may actually assist in improving the program for the KIDS and COACHES.
What do you dislike or is a great benefit of the program?

Likes
After following since 9s I feel the base skills have improved considerably of the boys.
Splitting of the competition last year into tiers

Dislikes
Disregard of rules and safety of players during games (dangerous fouls, abuse of referees and players by parents) which cannot be policed while impartial referees are not used.

Likes- quality of players, better quality of games once grouped 2nd half of season, coaches and training is of high standard.

Dislike- no refs agree, parents coaching kids from sidelines but I’m sure that’s common in every sport and biggest dislike is the rego costs, could be a bit cheaper for say some parents that don’t have a spare $1000 sitting around for under 10s football.

[Retired01]

[QUOTE=Yaa Yaa;232868]Likes- quality of players, better quality of games once grouped 2nd half of season, coaches and training is of high standard.

Completely agree with this comment. But yet I hate how our kids are split into an A and B team. They are close in ability but yet still cant match Olympic and Magic in "Football" tactics and structure. We may have won some games against them but we didn't "outfootball" them. Rather rushed a mistake of theres or capitalized on their boys trying something new. Their boys don't seem to be of any great quality but yet their game play is so much better. Some clubs which made the top half have significant gaps between the A and B teams and surely 2 teams which lose 3 nil each week raises the standard of the club/players ability through the season rather than 1 winner and 1 who are completely demolished.

[Aegon]

Ive been amazed by the crap that has been written back and forth by keyboard warriors to simply make themselves feel important. To bring this back to something which may actually assist in improving the program for the KIDS and COACHES.
What do you dislike or is a great benefit of the program?

Likes
After following since 9s I feel the base skills have improved considerably of the boys.
Splitting of the competition last year into tiers

Dislikes
Disregard of rules and safety of players during games (dangerous fouls, abuse of referees and players by parents) which cannot be policed while impartial referees are not used.

Likes:
How much Jr enjoys it.
Quality of the coaching & players (opponents and teammates)
The amount of training and games. The more football the better for players development IMO, plus Jr hates the days where there is no football.
The pathway from SAP-Youth-NPL being more structured.

Dislikes:
Cost
NNSWF’s poor oversight, especially at the facility.
Parents having to be game leaders.

[traffic light]

Some clubs which made the top half have significant gaps between the A and B teams and surely 2 teams which lose 3 nil each week raises the standard of the club/players ability through the season rather than 1 winner and 1 who are completely demolished.

Teams were loosely graded therefore some teams eg B teams werent competitive and the grading was based on the U10s and the 9s followed suit.
Agree that A & B teams should at least be kept at similar strength.

[YewYew]

Been told bout some problems with SAP at Valo. Coaches, parents inc Robbie Middleby not happy & now club need new SAP coach.

[plague]

Been told bout some problems with SAP at Valo. Coaches, parents inc Robbie Middleby not happy & now club need new SAP coach.

multiple coaches across age groups or just a particular coach?

because ive heard a couple of clubs havent announced all their coaches yet either. nothing nefarious from what i understand just some people stepping down or changing teams within the clubs. especially in the older age group having a new coach now who may be be as experienced of knowledgeable may be an issue for the program.

[YewYew]

multiple coaches across age groups or just a particular coach?.

Only got told bout 1 coach in particular, but they said other problems with SAP management at the club

[Aegon]

Been told bout some problems with SAP at Valo. Coaches, parents inc Robbie Middleby not happy & now club need new SAP coach.

They have advertised for a new coach for next season - however prob best not names. I very much doubt that RM is involved as his son has moved to Newcastle Olympic for next year.
I have no idea what the background is behind any of this.

[Retired01]

If its last years SAP U10s Top Team. You will understand why he has been removed. Consistent issues all year and multiple complaints raised with NNSW and valo directly. One club removed there team from the field against them. He appeared to have no interest or ability in developing the kids. Only winning and encouraged basic direct football where the team only rushed every ball with very little thought.

That's my 2 cents anyway

[Dontknowmuch]

If its last years SAP U10s Top Team. You will understand why he has been removed. Consistent issues all year and multiple complaints raised with NNSW and valo directly. One club removed there team from the field against them. He appeared to have no interest or ability in developing the kids. Only winning and encouraged basic direct football where the team only rushed every ball with very little thought.

That's my 2 cents anyway

He's probably gone to Magic then?

[Negative Police]

He's probably gone to Magic then?

lol true. But being direct on occasion is ok.

[plague]

But being direct on occasion is ok.

if its the bloke im thinking of the football is not the problem. hes got some good players who have skill and are good kids, his tactics can be 'uncoached' pretty quickly.
i def have a problem the way he treats his own players and the officials though. that shit gonna get old real quick. he aint good enough or smart enough for any club to want him wearing their tracksuit.

[Yaa Yaa]

Not sure if Dontknowmuch and negative police are just fishing or actually clueless 🤷*♂️ Maybe their bums are still red raw from the spankings they copped. Would you like some chips with all that salt 🧂

[Aegon]

:trolls:

[Negative Police]

Not sure if Dontknowmuch and negative police are just fishing or actually clueless ��*♂️ Maybe their bums are still red raw from the spankings they copped. Would you like some chips with all that salt ��

wrong again long ball

We got you guys but im not gonna care or be that overbearing immature parent spouting how good 9 10 or 11 yo kids are.

You really shouldnt be around kids sport.

[Negative Police]

Anyone heard any info about formats for next year yet? We're almost sure it's going to be 1 game instead of 2.

[Aegon]

Anyone heard any info about formats for next year yet? We're almost sure it's going to be 1 game instead of 2.

Heard the exact same details. No confirmation yet though.

[onlooker]

I was told it’s 1 60min game next season.

[plague]

we were told its all but confirmed but NNSW still hasnt confirmed it.
which sounds about right.

[YewYew]

Some SAP fings I was told this week -

- Wallsend u9s selected 3 goalkeepers for there one team. One kid 7 yrs. Coach also a keeper

- Magic gonna train at Speers Point 2 times a week. Parents gonna be pissed

- Jaffas gonna run there own tsp for good kids who don’t make real tsp

- Cookers and Olympic v strict on ages - only 9 yrs kids can play in u9s. Magic / Edgy have lot of 8yrs kids in there new u9s

- New field at Speers Point now in but no line marking for sap. Kids still gonna have to use pizzas for area. Northern happy to take sap money but refuse to give kids proper pitch.

[Aegon]

- Jaffas gonna run there own tsp for good kids who don’t make real tsp

- New field at Speers Point now in but no line marking for sap. Kids still gonna have to use pizzas for area. Northern happy to take sap money but refuse to give kids proper pitch.

Can confirm the first. In SAP it is selective - no idea on numbers. In NPL Yth they are doing the same but all players will be welcome.

Not surprised at the second. The single most disappointing thing about SAP IMO is NNSWF lack of attention and support for it.

[londonboy]

New field at Speers Point now in but no line marking for sap.

Yes, I saw the new pitch last week and it’s lined out for a full size pitch. I hadn’t thought about it until now, but you are right - it would be very easy to put in penalty boxes in each half and make it much clearer for SAP games. Considering they’ll be lots more games with 9-11 SAP this year - plus more SAP training on those fields - it would make a lot of sense. I wonder if NNSW have even considered this??

[plague]

Can confirm the first. In SAP it is selective - no idea on numbers.

i dont understand this. so the one team of 11's they have is gonna get sliced again so the bestest of the bestest get more training?

[Jim]

i dont understand this. so the one team of 11's they have is gonna get sliced again so the bestest of the bestest get more training?

With only one team chances are theyll all get a ticket

[londonboy]

With only one team chances are theyll all get a ticket

You’d have to guess some of that team are already in the TSP so I think you’re right that the rest will be invited along. But if you don’t get invited, you can probably take that as a message that more is expected of you.

[YewYew]

Are parents of kids in 10/11 SAP being told they need to buy kids new kits again this year???? hearing some clubs now got sponsorship for training kits but instead of using that $$$ to lower fees or pay for kits parents having to pay for it :wtf:

[Barry Dawson]

If fees are reduced, who pays for the ridiculous payments some of these first grade players are receiving?
It is crazy what players are being paid in a competition that is at best NPL4 in Sydney.
How many NPL clubs actually embody their SAP players in their Club? Or are they just a necessary part of being an NPL Club and an additional revenue stream?

[plague]

Are parents of kids in 10/11 SAP being told they need to buy kids new kits again this year???? hearing some clubs now got sponsorship for training kits but instead of using that $$$ to lower fees or pay for kits parents having to pay for it :wtf:

All our kit is included in the SAP fee and has been since day 1.

New kit has been required every year due to
A) New players joining the squad every year.
B) Our kids growing out of their existing kit. Plague Jnrs stuff from last year hardly fits now and def won't get him through til September 2020.


Our club trains in their playing kit so as not to need 'extra' expense on more stuff.
Extra washing to do but that's kind of a first world problem.

[The Dunster]

Our club trains in their playing kit so as not to need 'extra' expense on more stuff.
Extra washing to do but that's kind of a first world problem.

Are the kids allowed to wear the strip of teams or countries they support to training? I had Wolverhampton, England Home / Away, and Man U - today kids would have much better access to these things and I'd guess they'd be a lot more affordable now as well.

[plague]

Are the kids allowed to wear the strip of teams or countries they support to training?

No.
SAP kit is required to train in.
There is actually an emphasis on player presentation be it uniform, combed hair, shoelaces, punctuality etc as these players need to learn about self respect and being ambassadors for their clubs.
It's a small thing but i think its a good thing to develop their attitudes as well as their footballing skills.

[The Dunster]

No.
SAP kit is required to train in.
There is actually an emphasis on player presentation be it uniform, combed hair, shoelaces, punctuality etc as these players need to learn about self respect and being ambassadors for their clubs.
It's a small thing but i think its a good thing to develop their attitudes as well as their footballing skills.

You don't fear that it will sap the creativity out of them ? Or is that something to be addressed later on when they are older ?
I guess the modern style of play is about everyone being on the same page - so it makes sense to have a robotic approach.
This is the case in most team sports now - certainly all football codes - it's rarely about individuals or improvising.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

No.
SAP kit is required to train in.
There is actually an emphasis on player presentation be it uniform, combed hair, shoelaces, punctuality etc as these players need to learn about self respect and being ambassadors for their clubs.
It's a small thing but i think its a good thing to develop their attitudes as well as their footballing skills.

100% AGREE. They should be proud to represent the club they are playing for. This as you says means looking respectable, turning up on time with a good attitude, drink bottle filled and a healthy snack. When they turn up on game day it should be in a training kit, tracksuit then get changed together as a group into the playing strip so they know the difference between training and games, help them mentally switch on and know whats expected from the club by wearing the shirt. This is also about teaching them life skills turning up to work on time with a good attitude, part of team etc.

[plague]

You don't fear that it will sap the creativity out of them ? Or is that something to be addressed later on when they are older ?
I guess the modern style of play is about everyone being on the same page - so it makes sense to have a robotic approach.
This is the case in most team sports now - certainly all football codes - it's rarely about individuals or improvising.

nah, the uniform stuff is just about setting standards. all kids need to have that shit drummed into them at one stage in their lives.

on field its a different story. our coach absolutely encourages the kids to be themselves, he wants their personalities to shine, and to express themselves on their field with their skills. our kids do pretty much zero 'team' setup. he wants them to think what they should do with the ball and where they should be without the ball. the best coaches in the program actually say very little during the games because they trust the kids to figure it out, and theres no value in yelling at the if they do something 'wrong'.

there are def kids in the program who look like they hate being there and who look scared they will be hit with a tyre iron if they do something wrong. however talented these kids are i doubt they will ever stick with it as it just looks like a miserable existence.

[YewYew]

combed hair.

Combed hair??? Who the hell gets to tell a kid about there hair in a soccer club?? It ain’t the army!

All the other stuff is cool, but combed hair is to far. Balotelli wouldn’t have lasted

[YewYew]

there are def kids in the program who look like they hate being there and who look scared they will be hit with a tyre iron if they do something wrong. however talented these kids are i doubt they will ever stick with it as it just looks like a miserable existence.

I’ve def seen this to. Some of these kids are being coached by there dad to and don’t look like they wanna be there. I feel bad for some of these kids. They’d prob be happy playing community but there dad’s want them doing SAP. The pressure kills the fun

[plague]

I’ve def seen this to. Some of these kids are being coached by there dad to and don’t look like they wanna be there. I feel bad for some of these kids. They’d prob be happy playing community but there dad’s want them doing SAP. The pressure kills the fun

exactly, they'd be 10x better players and have 10x more fun without the pressure.

as for the hair, its just about the details of being your best wearing the badge of your club. again, its not really about hair, but about just maintaining a standard.

to be fair though, and im not sure you have a kid around this age, but Plague Jnr and everyone he hangs with are all about that look.
little man wont sit down at the breakfast table without being as fresh as he can get.
not sure where he got it from cause that aint my thing. come to think of it our milkman is always dressed nicely................

[The Dunster]

nah, the uniform stuff is just about setting standards. all kids need to have that shit drummed into them at one stage in their lives.

on field its a different story. our coach absolutely encourages the kids to be themselves, he wants their personalities to shine, and to express themselves on their field with their skills. our kids do pretty much zero 'team' setup. he wants them to think what they should do with the ball and where they should be without the ball. the best coaches in the program actually say very little during the games because they trust the kids to figure it out, and theres no value in yelling at the if they do something 'wrong'.

there are def kids in the program who look like they hate being there and who look scared they will be hit with a tyre iron if they do something wrong. however talented these kids are i doubt they will ever stick with it as it just looks like a miserable existence.

Sounds like a great place for kids to develop their skills.

[plague]

Sounds like a great place for kids to develop their skills.

yeah ive got a huge amount of respect for my kids coach and make no mistake, there are plenty of other coaches at other clubs who do just as good a job. after a few years in the program now you can really see the clubs that understand not just football, but the kids themselves.

my kid has improved out of sight and his team play really good football and can hold their own with anyone in the program. but my first priority is the well being of my son. if coaches or teammates were treating him like shit he'd be out of there in a flash. no amount of winning is worth it.

[YewYew]

Northern have announced the u10 TSP squad for 2020. not sure on how many kids got a Guernsey. wud b interesting to know which clubs the kids came.

[Aegon]

Northern have announced the u10 TSP squad for 2020. not sure on how many kids got a Guernsey. wud b interesting to know which clubs the kids came.

Announced it? Haven’t seen anything? What about other age groups?

[YewYew]

Announced it? Haven’t seen anything? What about other age groups?

Yeah, Northern told clubs yesterday. I think clubs would have told the picked kids direct. I was told only bout u10s (9s from last year). I was told most kids from last yrs groups are staying on.

Northern say they will review through the season but it’s BS. Once kids are in they in for the stay

[Aegon]

Yeah, Northern told clubs yesterday. I think clubs would have told the picked kids direct. I was told only bout u10s (9s from last year). I was told most kids from last yrs groups are staying on.

Northern say they will review through the season but it’s BS. Once kids are in they in for the stay

Fair enough, as someone who watched an awful lot of SAP last year I'm extremely cynical about NNSWF's selections. The top end clubs played at speers point less than any of the others due to having their own field for hub days. Even when they were at speers point the Northern officials who did turn up spent more time on their phone or laying down in the shade then actually paying attention to the games.

I reckon there were about 5 or so boys from Magic, 3ish from Olympic, New Lambton & Jaffas, 1-2 from Edgy, Lake Mac, Azzuri & Maitland, 1 from valentine and maybe 1-2 others from the rest of the clubs who stood out enough to make it.

[plague]

Fair enough, as someone who watched an awful lot of SAP last year I'm extremely cynical about NNSWF's selections. The top end clubs played at speers point less than any of the others due to having their own field for hub days. Even when they were at speers point the Northern officials who did turn up spent more time on their phone or laying down in the shade then actually paying attention to the games.

I reckon there were about 5 or so boys from Magic, 3ish from Olympic, New Lambton & Jaffas, 1-2 from Edgy, Lake Mac, Azzuri & Maitland, 1 from valentine and maybe 1-2 others from the rest of the clubs who stood out enough to make it.

the TSP concept will be interesting this year as one kid who was playing 10's last year has been 'forced' back to play 10's again (he'd been playing up since day 1). He is outstanding on the ball and has pretty good vision and runs all day. Hes a proper star in the making, but because he was playing 10's last year and prob hasnt even started training with 9's, i doubt theres any chance hes made this TSP squad.
Hopefully once he plays against kids his own age and maintains his standards they will find a spot for him.

[londonboy]

the TSP concept will be interesting this year as one kid who was playing 10's last year has been 'forced' back to play 10's again (he'd been playing up since day 1). He is outstanding on the ball and has pretty good vision and runs all day. Hes a proper star in the making, but because he was playing 10's last year and prob hasnt even started training with 9's, i doubt theres any chance hes made this TSP squad.
Hopefully once he plays against kids his own age and maintains his standards they will find a spot for him.

Magic have three boys selected in the U10 TSP for 2020 - two from last years U9s and one who had been playing up in the U10s. On that basis I assume NNSWF have considered all age-eligible kids?

[Yaa Yaa]

If fees are reduced, who pays for the ridiculous payments some of these first grade players are receiving?
It is crazy what players are being paid in a competition that is at best NPL4 in Sydney.
How many NPL clubs actually embody their SAP players in their Club? Or are they just a necessary part of being an NPL Club and an additional revenue stream?

Hahaha at best NPL4 hey.
how many of those NPL 4 clubs ever made it to last 32 or 16 of FFA cup?

[Yaa Yaa]

Magic have three boys selected in the U10 TSP for 2020 - two from last years U9s and one who had been playing up in the U10s. On that basis I assume NNSWF have considered all age-eligible kids?

There’s some questionable selections might I say.
Like Ageon mentioned and I agree with him but only 3 from magic boys is a big question mark. Think a few from Olympic might have been thrown in by Leo to keep his mates there happy 😐 the kid that plague speaks of from lambton also made it I believe which I agree with but didn’t see the blonde kid up front name get picked who was very good also in that group. Not sure if there’s a quota they have to select a kid from every team but from what I seen last year there should have been more than 3 magic kids go out of the 15 or so selected 🤷*♂️

[Aegon]

There’s some questionable selections might I say.
Like Ageon mentioned and I agree with him but only 3 from magic boys is a big question mark. Think a few from Olympic might have been thrown in by Leo to keep his mates there happy �� the kid that plague speaks of from lambton also made it I believe which I agree with but didn’t see the blonde kid up front name get picked who was very good also in that group. Not sure if there’s a quota they have to select a kid from every team but from what I seen last year there should have been more than 3 magic kids go out of the 15 or so selected ��*♂️

Did your club send out the list of players selected? Did the names have clubs against them?

[Aegon]

From Jaffas, one boy selected in U10’s, three selected in U11’s.

[Yaa Yaa]

Did your club send out the list of players selected? Did the names have clubs against them?

No the coach informed us parents on who was selected. He mentioned a few kids names he recognised from other clubs and showed me the list.
Knew a few names as some kids go to school with each other.

[plague]

the kid that plague speaks of from lambton also made it I believe which I agree with but didn’t see the blonde kid up front name get picked who was very good also in that group.

the kid i spoke of in my recent post doesnt play for NL. but i think i know the 2 kids youre talking about but it wouldnt shock me if they only picked one of them.

[YewYew]

There’s some questionable selections might I say.
Like Ageon mentioned and I agree with him but only 3 from magic boys is a big question mark. Think a few from Olympic might have been thrown in by Leo to keep his mates there happy 😐 the kid that plague speaks of from lambton also made it I believe which I agree with but didn’t see the blonde kid up front name get picked who was very good also in that group. Not sure if there’s a quota they have to select a kid from every team but from what I seen last year there should have been more than 3 magic kids go out of the 15 or so selected 🤷*♂️

So people on here saying some of the best kids ain’t got picked & im told that list has a few SAP coach and SAP TDs kids names on it. Not saying they ain’t good enough but it’s a bad look if some best kids are being left out.

What are Northern picking kids on anyway? If I want my u9 kid in next yr what does he have to do?

[plague]

What are Northern picking kids on anyway? If I want my u9 kid in next yr what does he have to do?

at that age (and realistically every age up til 12) id not sweat too much on not being in those type of squads. the skills they teach at SAP are more than enough to deal with your kid is better off perfecting those core skills and by the time he gets to 13 he'll be getting chased by the good NPL clubs anyway.

as we've seen from the Jets and FFA cup, coming through A-League youth is no bigger advantage than being in a good NPL setup.

[YewYew]

Any1 got a opinion on the Newcastle Jets Skills Program? 20 wks but $500 sounds exy.

Any1 done it? Is the coaching up to scratch?

[traffic light]

Any1 got a opinion on the Newcastle Jets Skills Program? 20 wks but $500 sounds exy.

Any1 done it? Is the coaching up to scratch?

"The Newcastle Jets Skills Program (NJSP) is open to all players, no matter their playing experience or skill level."

Seems for the $$ and not so much identification

[Captain_Carl]

"The Newcastle Jets Skills Program (NJSP) is open to all players, no matter their playing experience or skill level."

Seems for the $$ and not so much identification

100% about the $$$

There are already ample means of talent identification for young players. This is quite simply designed to make parents think if their child is enrolled it is their way of being scouted for the Jets. Or to go further, if their child is not enrolled they will miss out on being scouted. The Jets need every dollar they can get. It is a club in trouble on and off the pitch.

[Aegon]

Any1 got a opinion on the Newcastle Jets Skills Program? 20 wks but $500 sounds exy.

Any1 done it? Is the coaching up to scratch?

From what I have heard, it’d be good for 7-8 year old to develop their skills heading into SAP.

After that? Pretty much pointless unless your child wants more training.

[YewYew]

I reckon there were about 5 or so boys from Magic, 3ish from Olympic, New Lambton & Jaffas, 1-2 from Edgy, Lake Mac, Azzuri & Maitland, 1 from valentine and maybe 1-2 others from the rest of the clubs who stood out enough to make it.

So there was 12 TSP kids picked in all for the 10s. Of the Big clubs 3 from Olympic, 3 from Magic, 1 from Jaffas. Other 5 frm New Lambton, Lake Mac, Weston, Edgy and Valentine. I was told no goalkeepers and that kids picked are similar type - small & skillful. Also got told that that clubs were involved in selecting kids by telling Northern who to look at. Northern would then only go and watch those kids. So if your club ain't told Northern about your kid then your kid ain't getting a look.

In 11s there was some changes from last year so Northern do change things a bit but not a lot.

[YewYew]

Anyone heard any info about formats for next year yet? We're almost sure it's going to be 1 game instead of 2.

Defo 1 game per week 30 mins halves.

[YewYew]

Any one know who coaches the tsp kids? Leo bertos wud be one, but are others Northern coaches or people brought in from clubs?

[Aegon]

So there was 12 TSP kids picked in all for the 10s. Of the Big clubs 3 from Olympic, 3 from Magic, 1 from Jaffas. Other 5 frm New Lambton, Lake Mac, Weston, Edgy and Valentine. I was told no goalkeepers and that kids picked are similar type - small & skillful. Also got told that that clubs were involved in selecting kids by telling Northern who to look at. Northern would then only go and watch those kids. So if your club ain't told Northern about your kid then your kid ain't getting a look.

In 11s there was some changes from last year so Northern do change things a bit but not a lot.

Seems a very strange way to go about it. The young boy from Jaffas who got in is a very handy kid in exactly the mold you described above. However there are a couple other boys at the exact same level of ability and one boy who is slightly different in that he is a slightly bigger kid who is strong on the ball but is an outstanding defender, I honestly thought if anyone got in TSP it would have been him.

TBF though. Trying to pick 12 out of 200+ SAP kids in each age group would be a nightmare. Especially when there is so many kids very close in ability.

[YewYew]

Seems a very strange way to go about it. The young boy from Jaffas who got in is a very handy kid in exactly the mold you described above. However there are a couple other boys at the exact same level of ability and one boy who is slightly different in that he is a slightly bigger kid who is strong on the ball but is an outstanding defender, I honestly thought if anyone got in TSP it would have been him.

I was told that jets are always looking for that no.10 player, so if a kid ain't Messi sized he might not get a fair go. Problem is that when you watch jets youth they are all the same players and they don't have any size or strength. And they get flogged most weeks.

if jets ain't looking to develop kids of different strength & positions then the future ain't gonna be very bright is it.

[Aegon]

I was told that jets are always looking for that no.10 player, so if a kid ain't Messi sized he might not get a fair go. Problem is that when you watch jets youth they are all the same players and they don't have any size or strength. And they get flogged most weeks.

if jets ain't looking to develop kids of different strength & positions then the future ain't gonna be very bright is it.

Seems a ridiculous way of working. Why not just select the best player for every position you need to field. Not everyone is destined to be an attacking player.

[Captain_Carl]

I was told that jets are always looking for that no.10 player, so if a kid ain't Messi sized he might not get a fair go. Problem is that when you watch jets youth they are all the same players and they don't have any size or strength. And they get flogged most weeks.

if jets ain't looking to develop kids of different strength & positions then the future ain't gonna be very bright is it.

The sad thing is that the Jets have always selected kids with great skill and after they enter the program they proceed to de-skill them and have them playing like robots.

[londonboy]

I was told that jets are always looking for that no.10 player, so if a kid ain't Messi sized he might not get a fair go.

I would be really surprised (and really concerned for the future of the game in this region) if this were true. Just look at the kids coming through at Chelsea at the moment - you have a 6ft 6" striker (Abraham), a 5ft 4" fullback (Lamptey) and the likes of Mount, James, Tomori around the 6ft mark. Size doesn't determine a good player, and it no longer determines the position you play either. There are plenty of 6ft 5" defensive midfielders and 6ft 3" wingers and full backs out there these days.

It would make very little sense for NNSW Football to only select a certain size/type of player on the off-chance they might become a 10 in the future. The whole point of these talented player pathways is to hopefully produce players that might be able to play for the Jets and beyond, so there would have to be a bigger picture. They have people like Neil Orr and Leo Bertos working there who have played at the highest level, so they'd understand the need for variety and different skill-sets.

[Aegon]

I would be really surprised (and really concerned for the future of the game in this region) if this were true. Just look at the kids coming through at Chelsea at the moment - you have a 6ft 6" striker (Abraham), a 5ft 4" fullback (Lamptey) and the likes of Mount, James, Tomori around the 6ft mark. Size doesn't determine a good player, and it no longer determines the position you play either. There are plenty of 6ft 5" defensive midfielders and 6ft 3" wingers and full backs out there these days.

It would make very little sense for NNSW Football to only select a certain size/type of player on the off-chance they might become a 10 in the future. The whole point of these talented player pathways is to hopefully produce players that might be able to play for the Jets and beyond, so there would have to be a bigger picture. They have people like Neil Orr and Leo Bertos working there who have played at the highest level, so they'd understand the need for variety and different skill-sets.

Hopefully those 2 have some input into the selections going forward, from what I have seen so far NNSWF have very little interest in being proactive with this.

[YewYew]

Hopefully those 2 have some input into the selections going forward, from what I have seen so far NNSWF have very little interest in being proactive with this.

Bertos gone now.

[YewYew]

Is it true that when kids reach NPL U12 they must play in there own age? So kids playing up ages will get held back down the track?

[Goatscheese]

Is it true that when kids reach NPL U12 they must play in there own age? So kids playing up ages will get held back down the track?

Well there isn't an NPL U12 comp but it is true that kids U12 or below can't play in an NPL/NewFm comp U13 and above. So a kid playing up every year will have to do two years of U12 and then can go into U13 once they are Under 13.

Nothing stops them from playing up to U16 again though and once they turn 15 can play first grade. See if you can work out Northern's logic.

[londonboy]

Well there isn't an NPL U12 comp but it is true that kids U12 or below can't play in an NPL/NewFm comp U13 and above. So a kid playing up every year will have to do two years of U12 and then can go into U13 once they are Under 13.

Nothing stops them from playing up to U16 again though and once they turn 15 can play first grade. See if you can work out Northern's logic.

https://footballnsw.com.au/biological-maturation/

The ‘biological maturation’ rule means it can work the other way, i.e. kids can play down a year if they are assessed as being physically immature for their age.

[Retired01]

Bertos gone now.

Why would Bertos be gone? Coaching an NPL club isn't a full time role

[Aegon]

Why would Bertos be gone? Coaching an NPL club isn't a full time role

Probably a conflict of interest though.

[YewYew]

Probably a conflict of interest though.

Yep. People on here already say he has selected kids from Olympic because of relationship with club, imagine a load of Weston kids start making TSP or train-on squads!

[Retired01]

HAHAHAHAHA You think anyone on here actually has any connection or influence at clubs? I really hope not. Trying to work out a lot of the comments on here is like an episode of the Simpsons. The Olympic and Magic kids get picked because they flog everyone each week and play better soccer. Have you seen their 11s play against each other last year was like watching 14s at some clubs. How can anyone question any selections from those clubs. Apologies for the rant but I really dislike people who make comments about things they have no idea. Just look at the finger pointing by the public the last few weeks around the fires. (Greenies, Sco Mo, Global Warming)

[Aegon]

HAHAHAHAHA You think anyone on here actually has any connection or influence at clubs? I really hope not. Trying to work out a lot of the comments on here is like an episode of the Simpsons. The Olympic and Magic kids get picked because they flog everyone each week and play better soccer. Have you seen their 11s play against each other last year was like watching 14s at some clubs. How can anyone question any selections from those clubs. Apologies for the rant but I really dislike people who make comments about things they have no idea. Just look at the finger pointing by the public the last few weeks around the fires. (Greenies, Sco Mo, Global Warming)

I don’t even know who was selected anywhere except Magic.
From what I know the best kid in last years 9’s at Magic was selected + a kid in last years 10’s who played up a year. The other boy was probably middle of the range at the club but his father has some NNSWF connections.
When it comes to last years 9’s Olympic squad they were nowhere near as strong as their 10’s group, there were definitely a couple of boys who were strong enough to be selected but they are definitely not head and shoulders above other boys at Magic, Jaffa’s, New Lambton, etc.

I can’t say whether they selected the best 12 kids in this age group or not because I don’t know who they selected 100%. What I do think is that the selection process is murky at best and I reckon I saw more SAP games last year than anyone at Northern did.

[YewYew]

Why would Bertos be gone? Coaching an NPL club isn't a full time role

Bertos gone: https://www.seek.com.au/job/40707454

[Aegon]

Bertos gone: https://www.seek.com.au/job/40707454

Wasn’t that Clayton Zane’s role? What was Bertos a technical advisor or something similar?

[Captain_Carl]

Wasn’t that Clayton Zane’s role? What was Bertos a technical advisor or something similar?

Aegon you are correct.

[YewYew]

Aegon you are correct.

But they advertising now? Maybe they want 2x TDs? Or is Zane going back to Jets???

[Yaa Yaa]

I don’t even know who was selected anywhere except Magic.
From what I know the best kid in last years 9’s at Magic was selected + a kid in last years 10’s who played up a year. The other boy was probably middle of the range at the club but his father has some NNSWF connections.
When it comes to last years 9’s Olympic squad they were nowhere near as strong as their 10’s group, there were definitely a couple of boys who were strong enough to be selected but they are definitely not head and shoulders above other boys at Magic, Jaffa’s, New Lambton, etc.

I can’t say whether they selected the best 12 kids in this age group or not because I don’t know who they selected 100%. What I do think is that the selection process is murky at best and I reckon I saw more SAP games last year than anyone at Northern did.

Ok let’s get something straight, the kid you speak of isn’t middle of the range, he’s one of the top 3/4 kids in that team and his selection has nothing to do with his father so stop being salty. If anything there should have been another 2/3 kids selected from that side and another from the other magic team as they were the best teams in Comp last year. Leo definitely had some pull on some Olympic kids selected because one kid has made the TSP that didn’t even get selected in the magic team when he trialed last season I’m told.

[Aegon]

Ok let’s get something straight, the kid you speak of isn’t middle of the range, he’s one of the top 3/4 kids in that team and his selection has nothing to do with his father so stop being salty. If anything there should have been another 2/3 kids selected from that side and another from the other magic team as they were the best teams in Comp last year. Leo definitely had some pull on some Olympic kids selected because one kid has made the TSP that didn’t even get selected in the magic team when he trialed last season I’m told.

Not salty at all. I watched both Magic teams on multiple occasions last year. From what I saw (and others expressed) he'd be very lucky to be in the top 5 in Magic 9's last year.
Even you say he is top 3/4 in that team, there were better players than him in the other 9's Magic team which would put him about mid range in his age group at his club.

I actually agree with you that there were others at Magic that were very unlucky not to be selected. However I'll be clear, apart from the Magic boys I don't know the list of 12 boys who were selected. But there were boys in multiple other clubs (especially New Lambton) who would consider themselves very unlucky as well.

[Yaa Yaa]

Not salty at all. I watched both Magic teams on multiple occasions last year. From what I saw (and others expressed) he'd be very lucky to be in the top 5 in Magic 9's last year.
Even you say he is top 3/4 in that team, there were better players than him in the other 9's Magic team which would put him about mid range in his age group at his club.

I actually agree with you that there were others at Magic that were very unlucky not to be selected. However I'll be clear, apart from the Magic boys I don't know the list of 12 boys who were selected. But there were boys in multiple other clubs (especially New Lambton) who would consider themselves very unlucky as well.

There’s another kid I believe would have been selected if not for his father from magic, he was picked I’m told but his father said no, so magic would have had 3 selected from same side and one playing up in 10s.

[Aegon]

There’s another kid I believe would have been selected if not for his father from magic, he was picked I’m told but his father said no, so magic would have had 3 selected from same side and one playing up in 10s.

I definitely would not have agreed with 3 Magic boys from the same side and none from the other being selected.

The main reason that Magic team is so strong is that they probably had the best player in the 9's age group last year playing in their midfield. I actually think the other Magic 9's team play better football and should have had 1, maybe 2 boys selected in the TSP.

Anyway, we're getting caught up in semantics, my main point is that the TSP selection process was really poor. If they weren't going to hold trials then they should have turned up to a lot more games in person. They are in paid positions for a reason. It's already clear to me that they didn't select the strongest players in last years strongest teams.

[Yaa Yaa]

I definitely would not have agreed with 3 Magic boys from the same side and none from the other being selected.

The main reason that Magic team is so strong is that they probably had the best player in the 9's age group last year playing in their midfield. I actually think the other Magic 9's team play better football and should have had 1, maybe 2 boys selected in the TSP.

Anyway, we're getting caught up in semantics, my main point is that the TSP selection process was really poor. If they weren't going to hold trials then they should have turned up to a lot more games in person. They are in paid positions for a reason. It's already clear to me that they didn't select the strongest players in last years strongest teams.

Better football? Ok that just clarified to me you don’t know what you’re talking about and sound like a salty father like I said.
It’s like saying Barca is only good because they have Messi, Juventus because they have Ronaldo. He’s part of that team and you saying it’s the only reason they are better is laughable and you sound so bitter.
Let me guess your son wasn’t selected?
I’m a fan of magic and I’m happy to see all 4 SAP teams doing so well but if you’re going to be biased I’ll chip in for what I see from the stands and my son doesn’t play in either team for record so I don’t have any bias opinions, just calling it as I see it.

[Aegon]

Better football? Ok that just clarified to me you don’t know what you’re talking about and sound like a salty father like I said.
It’s like saying Barca is only good because they have Messi, Juventus because they have Ronaldo. He’s part of that team and you saying it’s the only reason they are better is laughable and you sound so bitter.
Let me guess your son wasn’t selected?
I’m a fan of magic and I’m happy to see all 4 SAP teams doing so well but if you’re going to be biased I’ll chip in for what I see from the stands and my son doesn’t play in either team for record so I don’t have any bias opinions, just calling it as I see it.

Yes, better football. One the opposition got to grips with the very talented young lad in midfield it tended to break their game down. He has a go to move which he times very well where he manages to play the ball past defenders coming at him. Once the boys (or coaches) played to contain that he wasn't as effective. I witnessed on several occasions where the team went up a couple of goals very quickly but the game stagnates after that as the play continues to be channeled through the middle and the ball is turned over. The other team play more structured and focus a lot more play down the flanks with short passing between their players. They were much more pleasing to watch and were a threat to every team they played from start to finish. They seem to have better positional structure, probably down to different coaching, and involve all their players throughout the games.

Just because a team wins due to individual talent does not mean they are playing better football. Just look at how neutered Barcelona are when Messi doesn't play as a perfect example of what happens when teams rely on individuals as opposed to playing well.

How you derive that as salty is beyond me, I am not arguing for my son or that players from his club should have been selected as the club already has extra training plans in place for the best boys in each age group not selected in TSP. Missing out selection at this age means absolutely nothing as individuals will develop technically and physically at very different paces over the next few years. As long as the boys are being effectively coached and are enjoying it then I have no issues at all, I am 100% happy with everything being done at Jaffas.

NNSWF on the other hand...... Their lack of visibility, support and oversight have left me with lots of concerns and all I am saying is that I question their decision making process.

[Yaa Yaa]

Yes, better football. One the opposition got to grips with the very talented young lad in midfield it tended to break their game down. He has a go to move which he times very well where he manages to play the ball past defenders coming at him. Once the boys (or coaches) played to contain that he wasn't as effective. I witnessed on several occasions where the team went up a couple of goals very quickly but the game stagnates after that as the play continues to be channeled through the middle and the ball is turned over. The other team play more structured and focus a lot more play down the flanks with short passing between their players. They were much more pleasing to watch and were a threat to every team they played from start to finish. They seem to have better positional structure, probably down to different coaching, and involve all their players throughout the games.

Just because a team wins due to individual talent does not mean they are playing better football. Just look at how neutered Barcelona are when Messi doesn't play as a perfect example of what happens when teams rely on individuals as opposed to playing well.

How you derive that as salty is beyond me, I am not arguing for my son or that players from his club should have been selected as the club already has extra training plans in place for the best boys in each age group not selected in TSP. Missing out selection at this age means absolutely nothing as individuals will develop technically and physically at very different paces over the next few years. As long as the boys are being effectively coached and are enjoying it then I have no issues at all, I am 100% happy with everything being done at Jaffas.

NNSWF on the other hand...... Their lack of visibility, support and oversight have left me with lots of concerns and all I am saying is that I question their decision making process.

We must have been watching different teams then, so you’re going off a few games they played vs Jaffa’s and I’m going off what I seen week in week out? Pretty sure that talented midfielder missed a few games last year and they still managed to win games comfortably. But I guess you would know more from the 2 games you played them last year 👍 our groups train with one another often and even Training games so I do see them a fair bit. But carry on.😁

[Aegon]

O
We must have been watching different teams then, so you’re going off a few games they played vs Jaffa’s and I’m going off what I seen week in week out? Pretty sure that talented midfielder missed a few games last year and they still managed to win games comfortably. But I guess you would know more from the 2 games you played them last year �� our groups train with one another often and even Training games so I do see them a fair bit. But carry on.��

You do realise at the hub days the clubs play at the same location even if they aren’t playing together I saw them on multiple occasions. I never mentioned winning anywhere though as I was discussing how they played.
Never mind though, I am ending the conversation here as you are trying to find an argument or offence out of nothing.

[Yaa Yaa]

So let me get this right, a Jaffa’s kid dad is getting worked up about the other magic team that didn’t have a few players selected? I think you might be putting up a few smoke screens? Maybe you’re a magic dad or a good friend of a magic dad possibly?
Well we both agree that the other side should have had at least one picked but I wouldn’t swap any of the ones that were for them, I’d look at maybe swap one from the other club.
If I was to choose one I’d have to say the goalkeeper as he’s very very good in goals but wouldn’t make it on the field.
Anyway it’s no big deal if NNSW chose those kids as we have seen in the current 10s group kids were dropped after 1 season and replaced with others, so if you don’t perform they will replace you as we seen this year.

[Yaa Yaa]

O

You do realise at the hub days the clubs play at the same location even if they aren’t playing together I saw them on multiple occasions. I never mentioned winning anywhere though as I was discussing how they played.
Never mind though, I am ending the conversation here as you are trying to find an argument or offence out of nothing.
No argument from me, I’m just letting you know from someone that’s watching them train and play week in week out, I know they play at same venues but are you telling me you watch the magic games over your sons games? Hahaha well father of the year goes to you 🤣

[YewYew]

So let me get this right, a Jaffa’s kid dad is getting worked up about the other magic team that didn’t have a few players selected? I think you might be putting up a few smoke screens? Maybe you’re a magic dad or a good friend of a magic dad possibly?
Well we both agree that the other side should have had at least one picked but I wouldn’t swap any of the ones that were for them, I’d look at maybe swap one from the other club.
If I was to choose one I’d have to say the goalkeeper as he’s very very good in goals but wouldn’t make it on the field.
Anyway it’s no big deal if NNSW chose those kids as we have seen in the current 10s group kids were dropped after 1 season and replaced with others, so if you don’t perform they will replace you as we seen this year.

Geez Yaa Yaa. Ya bag out the other team at yr club & then want to swop this kid for that kid like ya playing FIFA. Ya then say a bloke is a spy or best mates with kids from that other magic team cos he has a different view to you. & u don’t know why people on here hate magic???

Worse thing is all this info you got make me think u one of the coaches. You say you ain’t but we all no.

Guess I best mates with aegon now!

[Yaa Yaa]

Geez Yaa Yaa. Ya bag out the other team at yr club & then want to swop this kid for that kid like ya playing FIFA. Ya then say a bloke is a spy or best mates with kids from that other magic team cos he has a different view to you. & u don’t know why people on here hate magic???

Worse thing is all this info you got make me think u one of the coaches. You say you ain’t but we all no.

Guess I best mates with aegon now!
Gee Wizz I think I might need a translator to read that comment. Did you go to school bud or just have a stab at English? I have a feeling you would be more comfortable with a crayon in your hand.
Yes you got me, I’m the coach 🤦*♂️ I guess that makes all of us coaches in this group because we all know so much.

[Yaa Yaa]

Bag out other team? Hahahah can you read? I’m the one that said they should have some kids in that TSP program but not in the place of the kids that were picked as they deserve their place and some unlucky to miss out. These kids all train together at magic so it’s not hard to see who the standouts are, you don’t have to be their coach to know that if you have some idea about the game. Go and read the thread again dumbo before making a fool of yourself. Go magic 😀

[YewYew]

Bag out other team? Hahahah can you read? I’m the one that said they should have some kids in that TSP program but not in the place of the kids that were picked as they deserve their place and some unlucky to miss out. These kids all train together at magic so it’s not hard to see who the standouts are, you don’t have to be their coach to know that if you have some idea about the game. Go and read the thread again dumbo before making a fool of yourself. Go magic 😀

The only 1 being a fool is u Coach Yaa Yaa. U spent all afternoon saying how much better the kids in yr team are & how you wouldn’t swop for kids in other team. ‘Only take keeper, but he’s rubbish on field’ blah blah. I hope the kids in the other team never end up being coached by u cos you ain’t gonna give them a fair go.

I never seen these kids play but some other say he likes the other team better & you go in. Bully boy. Bully coach. Soccer is about opinions. You ain’t the gospel so let people have there views.

[Yaa Yaa]

The only 1 being a fool is u Coach Yaa Yaa. U spent all afternoon saying how much better the kids in yr team are & how you wouldn’t swop for kids in other team. ‘Only take keeper, but he’s rubbish on field’ blah blah. I hope the kids in the other team never end up being coached by u cos you ain’t gonna give them a fair go.

I never seen these kids play but some other say he likes the other team better & you go in. Bully boy. Bully coach. Soccer is about opinions. You ain’t the gospel so let people have there views.

Hahahahahahaha oh dear 🤣🤣🤣 I said I wouldn’t swap the kids that have been selected in the TSP for ones that haven’t for the tsp side not the actual magic side you stupid fool, haven’t you got your wires crossed Hahahaha so you actually thought I was the coach of these kids and I didn’t want to swap “my players” for “their players” hahahahaha you really are an idiot aren’t you 🤦*♂️

[YewYew]

Hahahahahahaha oh dear 🤣🤣🤣 I said I wouldn’t swap the kids that have been selected in the TSP for ones that haven’t for the tsp side not the actual magic side you stupid fool, haven’t you got your wires crossed Hahahaha so you actually thought I was the coach of these kids and I didn’t want to swap “my players” for “their players” hahahahaha you really are an idiot aren’t you 🤦*♂️

Keep digging that hole Coach. The more edit your posts the more we no the truth.

Just hope there ain’t 2 many other magic parents reading this. It ain’t a good look to read what Coach thinks of yr kids. Have you told them to there face? Course you ain’t.

[Yaa Yaa]

Keep digging that hole Coach. The more edit your posts the more we no the truth.

Just hope there ain’t 2 many other magic parents reading this. It ain’t a good look to read what Coach thinks of yr kids. Have you told them to there face? Course you ain’t.

You should try the edit, helps fix spelling mistakes so people can understand you. A grown man that still can’t separate there from their*

Hahah they might see it and if they don’t I’ll show them so we can have a laugh at your expense , I don’t put up smoke screens like old mate ageon who’s said in a comment earlier he only knows what happens at magic and then says his kids at Jaffa’s 🤣 but knows all the players and teams and how they play 🤔 I also think you should stop talking for him or are you snuggled up next to him on the lounge, as he’s gone quiet since that comment ?hahaha

Gee I hope I don’t dig too big of a hole, the coach might bench my son 😱
All I know is if my son makes it or doesn’t make a TSP team I definitely won’t be going on social media to cry about it.
Anyway This has been fun, cheers for the laugh dumbo 🤙

[Doopche]

Well that was an interesting read lol.
Aegon that’s a bit harsh mate singling out certain 9 year olds and saying they don’t deserve to be there and only there because of their father.
Guys just relax a little, they are 9yrs old so let’s not get carried away with all the tsp stuff and let nnsw handle that and I’m sure at end of the day the right kids will be where they need to be when time comes around without fathers fighting on forums about which 9 yr old is better.

Now does anyone know when the SAP draw comes out? I’ve heard it’s a bit shambles at nnsw with coaches leaving and on holidays so they probably haven’t even made a draw yet.
I’ve heard it’s 1 game a week but are they grouping them in A and B on ability or just mixing it up again?
If they do group them like that will the teams that have 2 stronger teams from same club face one another or will you just end up playing the same opponents over and over throughout the year, because I remember some teams playing each other 3/4 times last season and others just once which wasn’t ideal in my opinion.

[Aegon]

Well that was an interesting read lol.
Aegon that’s a bit harsh mate singling out certain 9 year olds and saying they don’t deserve to be there and only there because of their father.
Guys just relax a little, they are 9yrs old so let’s not get carried away with all the tsp stuff and let nnsw handle that and I’m sure at end of the day the right kids will be where they need to be when time comes around without fathers fighting on forums about which 9 yr old is better.

Fair call, I probably shouldn't have singled out any individual.


Now does anyone know when the SAP draw comes out? I’ve heard it’s a bit shambles at nnsw with coaches leaving and on holidays so they probably haven’t even made a draw yet.
I’ve heard it’s 1 game a week but are they grouping them in A and B on ability or just mixing it up again?
If they do group them like that will the teams that have 2 stronger teams from same club face one another or will you just end up playing the same opponents over and over throughout the year, because I remember some teams playing each other 3/4 times last season and others just once which wasn’t ideal in my opinion.

SAP draw last year came out a week before the games started. No idea about the rest.

[Doopche]

Fair call, I probably shouldn't have singled out any individual.



SAP draw last year came out a week before the games started. No idea about the rest.
Yeah all good mate, just think we can all have our say just not single out individuals (especially kids that age)as we all probably know who they are, they play one another every week and I’m sure we all probably bump into one another out there throughout the year and even say hello but because our names are somewhat hidden on here we tend to not care so much, I’ve probably been guilty of a few silly comments early on last year as well.

On the season draw topic I think that’s garbage, I mean some people need to plan around this so some notice would be nice, my life doesn’t revolve around SAP and I work weekends and still like to have a social kick with mates so would love to know wtf they are doing so I can see if our games clash or not.
Pull your finger out NNSW!!
Sap draw should come out around same time as NPL draw.

[Aegon]

Yeah all good mate, just think we can all have our say just not single out individuals (especially kids that age)as we all probably know who they are, they play one another every week and I’m sure we all probably bump into one another out there throughout the year and even say hello but because our names are somewhat hidden on here we tend to not care so much, I’ve probably been guilty of a few silly comments early on last year as well.

On the season draw topic I think that’s garbage, I mean some people need to plan around this so some notice would be nice, my life doesn’t revolve around SAP and I work weekends and still like to have a social kick with mates so would love to know wtf they are doing so I can see if our games clash or not.
Pull your finger out NNSW!!
Sap draw should come out around same time as NPL draw.

Well it isn't even clear as to whether it's one game or 2 yet this year? There have been rumours, however nothing clearly communicated.

If they have decreased the games down to 1 each round, why didn't they also reduce some of the NNSWF portion of the SAP fees? If it is 1 x 60min game rather than 2 x 40mins each week they will be playing about 6-7 less hours of football, so less use of NNSWF facilities.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

No Leo anymore.

I wonder who will get blamed now for not picking kids????:yawn:

[Beaver]

Yes Leo has gone from NNSW I heard-dissapointing but with his new role at Weston , would have been in conflict of interest , NNSW technical dept in trouble no TD or assistant ??

[YewYew]

Has there been many sap trial games yet? Guess with school holiday ending means things gonna ramp up a fair bit now

[Aegon]

Has there been many sap trial games yet? Guess with school holiday ending means things gonna ramp up a fair bit now

Some clubs held a few at the end of last year.

Jaffa’s haven’t had any or started training, however every weekend in feb is booked for trials until the season starts in March.

[YewYew]

Yes Leo has gone from NNSW I heard-dissapointing but with his new role at Weston , would have been in conflict of interest , NNSW technical dept in trouble no TD or assistant ??

Wait, so Zane has left as well? So Northern & NF got no TD for the start of season???? NF especially gonna be a mess. Who’s running NET?

[YewYew]

Been told a few 9s sap coaches for next yr only have grassroots training tickets. Dont northern expect C license?

[Aegon]

Been told a few 9s sap coaches for next yr only have grassroots training tickets. Dont northern expect C license?

I think there is actually a SAP coaching course they need to do.

C licence is typically a club requirement.

[Aegon]

Wait, so Zane has left as well? So Northern & NF got no TD for the start of season???? NF especially gonna be a mess. Who’s running NET?

Yup, nnswf running like a well oiled machine :(

NF position is going to be really hard to fill considering what they are offering.

[YewYew]

Wait, so Zane has left as well? So Northern & NF got no TD for the start of season???? NF especially gonna be a mess. Who’s running NET?

So it confirmed that Bertos & Zane have left Northern and they now trying to get new TD: https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6605075/npl-leo-bertos-meeting-new-challenge-at-weston-bears/?cs=6188

Newcastle Football had general meeting yesterday. Any1 no if they said anything about new TD there???

[Aegon]

So it confirmed that Bertos & Zane have left Northern and they now trying to get new TD: https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6605075/npl-leo-bertos-meeting-new-challenge-at-weston-bears/?cs=6188

Newcastle Football had general meeting yesterday. Any1 no if they said anything about new TD there???

Makes sense now why the position hasnt been advertised. Need to fill the TD role first.
regardless, the timing for NNSW and NF is awful. I've already heard of some prospective NET teams pulling out in the youngest age group.

I hope the TSP boys are getting the training they deserve in the meantime.

[YewYew]

Makes sense now why the position hasnt been advertised. Need to fill the TD role first.
regardless, the timing for NNSW and NF is awful. I've already heard of some prospective NET teams pulling out in the youngest age group.e.

Wat NET teams have pulled out???

[Aegon]

Wat NET teams have pulled out???

Mayfield & someone else in U10's. I forgot who.

[Goatscheese]

Wat NET teams have pulled out???

Adamstown Juniors have pulled out on all but U12 all being done by the seniors club in the SAP comp now

[Yaa Yaa]

Any news on the seasons draw? Doesn’t the comp start at beginning of march? I asked the coach last week and he didn’t know either.

[Aegon]

Any news on the seasons draw? Doesn’t the comp start at beginning of march? I asked the coach last week and he didn’t know either.

If last year was anything to go by, it will be released a few days before the games start.

[YewYew]

Mayfield & someone else in U10's. I forgot who.

Got told mayfield jnrs are running a team in NET 10s but Stockton ain't. Still no TD at NF and NET teams no idea if they gonna be able to train at Wallarah like previous yrs. Season dont kick for community until May so still time but things look messy at NF.

[Yaa Yaa]

Hey Aegon what’s happening with Jaffa’s 9/10s SAP, advertising for players on their page today? Don’t they only have 1 team and are chasing 2/4 players this late in the year?

[Aegon]

Hey Aegon what’s happening with Jaffa’s 9/10s SAP, advertising for players on their page today? Don’t they only have 1 team and are chasing 2/4 players this late in the year?

With Regards to the 10's:
It looks like the second goalkeeper for the 10's pulled out at the last minute.
With the schedule changes this year the club were going to try and use the 1 keeper for both games, however the draft schedule has both 10's teams playing at the same time.

For the 9's, I am not 100% on this, but from what I heard, A coach had been sourced from a community team who was bringing over several players from that team. He had a late change of heart and the players (his son & friends) pulled out as well.
I have absolutely no idea how many boys are needed though.
The 9's definitely have 2 teams.

[Retired01]

[/QUOTE]For the 9's, I am not 100% on this, but from what I heard, A coach had been sourced from a community team who was bringing over several players from that team. He had a late change of heart and the players (his son & friends) pulled out as well.
I have absolutely no idea how many boys are needed though.
The 9's definitely have 2 teams.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like the new coach got their first taste of the new management style at Jaffas.

[Aegon]

Sounds like the new coach got their first taste of the new management style at Jaffas.

Or he didn’t realise how much time he was going to have to commit to. But, don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[Yaa Yaa]

Or he didn’t realise how much time he was going to have to commit to. But, don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

1 week with RH is enough to make any coach run 🤣

[YewYew]

Hey Aegon what’s happening with Jaffa’s 9/10s SAP, advertising for players on their page today? Don’t they only have 1 team and are chasing 2/4 players this late in the year?

Couple of TDs told me the quality of 9s this year is thin. & jaffas struggling to get 2 teams plus new lambton only got 1 says something. Any other clubs struggling with numbers in 9s?

[Aegon]

newcastle olympic establishes its own newcastle olympic football academy (https://newcastleolympicfc.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/newcastle-olympic-establishes-its-own-newcastle-olympic-football-academy/)

Newcastle Olympic wishes to announce the establishment of the Newcastle Olympic Football Academy (NOFA). The Academy (NOFA) will serve the needs of individual players regardless of age, team, or development phase. The training will be based on developing attributes that are consistent with NOFC’s philosophy and ethos regarding technical ability, work ethic, and personal character.

Interesting read - More and more clubs coming up with their own alternatives to the TSP. Are the clubs unhappy with the results being shown?

Edit - Fixed the link

[YewYew]

Newcastle Olympic establishes its own Newcastle Olympic Football Academy

Newcastle Olympic wishes to announce the establishment of the Newcastle Olympic Football Academy (NOFA). The Academy (NOFA) will serve the needs of individual players regardless of age, team, or development phase. The training will be based on developing attributes that are consistent with NOFC’s philosophy and ethos regarding technical ability, work ethic, and personal character.

Interesting read - More and more clubs coming up with their own alternatives to the TSP. Are the clubs unhappy with the results being shown?

cant open that link. are Olympic chasing that Jobe Wheelhouse $$$????

[Negative Police]

https://newcastleolympicfc.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/newcastle-olympic-establishes-its-own-newcastle-olympic-football-academy/

Similar to what the Jaffas have for their youth.

Yes. competing with other junior coaching "academies"

[Aegon]

Fixed the link sorry mate.

[THEBIGCHEESE]

newcastle olympic establishes its own newcastle olympic football academy (https://newcastleolympicfc.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/newcastle-olympic-establishes-its-own-newcastle-olympic-football-academy/)

Newcastle Olympic wishes to announce the establishment of the Newcastle Olympic Football Academy (NOFA). The Academy (NOFA) will serve the needs of individual players regardless of age, team, or development phase. The training will be based on developing attributes that are consistent with NOFC’s philosophy and ethos regarding technical ability, work ethic, and personal character.

Interesting read - More and more clubs coming up with their own alternatives to the TSP. Are the clubs unhappy with the results being shown?

Edit - Fixed the link

TSP has only just started for under nines so would be unfair to suggest that's the reason for that age. I think we should be asking why has this taken so long for clubs to implement these programmes and why is the price so high? TSP I was told last year $200-$300 for the season, these are talking about that price for an 6-10 week cycle. Also the players just training with the same kids as they train with so isn't this just another Skill Acquisition Session at an inflated price?

The best players from one club training with the best players of the others clubs (if NNSW have selected these for TSP) on the best facilities has to be better. Right?

[Aegon]

The best players from one club training with the best players of the others clubs (if NNSW have selected these for TSP) on the best facilities has to be better. Right?

In theory, yes.

In practice, I'm not sold yet, with the lack of leadership at NNSWF i think the extra coaching on offer at Olympic, Magic, Jaffas, etc is probably just as good if not better than what is on offer at NNSWF. Price difference is negligible.

[Aegon]

I should clarify that the Jaffas program isn't run by any of the age group coaches and is $90 per term.

[YewYew]

I should clarify that the Jaffas program isn't run by any of the age group coaches and is $90 per term.

So NPL coaches running jaffas Tsp? If true thats great

[YewYew]

TSP has only just started for under nines so would be unfair to suggest that's the reason for that age. I think we should be asking why has this taken so long for clubs to implement these programmes and why is the price so high? TSP I was told last year $200-$300 for the season, these are talking about that price for an 6-10 week cycle. Also the players just training with the same kids as they train with so isn't this just another Skill Acquisition Session at an inflated price?

The best players from one club training with the best players of the others clubs (if NNSW have selected these for TSP) on the best facilities has to be better. Right?

Yeah, agree with this. Isn’t that wot RH was doing at NF over the yrs? Is that gonna carry on now he gone?

[Negative Police]

So NPL coaches running jaffas Tsp? If true thats great

It's pretty close

[Negative Police]

Draft draw out. Havent seen it. Still trying to find grounds for some rounds.

[YewYew]

Draft draw out. Havent seen it. Still trying to find grounds for some rounds.

So Speers Point ain’t good enough anymore??? It can’t be booked out with the prices northern charge

[Aegon]

The draft draw is up on SportsTG website:

https://websites.sportstg.com/comp_info.cgi?a=FIXTURE&compID=***105&c=0-8304-0-0-0

[YewYew]

The draft draw is up on SportsTG website:

https://websites.sportstg.com/comp_info.cgi?a=FIXTURE&compID=***105&c=0-8304-0-0-0

So Wallsend got two teams in both 9s and 10s this year. Must have got a big walk up on trials. Maybe $600 fees paying off good?

West Wallsend and Cooks Hill new in 9s.

[Goatscheese]

So Speers Point ain’t good enough anymore??? It can’t be booked out with the prices northern charge

May also have something to do with the increase in teams, and use of Northern's other teams now they are all in Sydney

And since Northern own the grounds and manage the Comp surely they can ensure it is affordable enough for their own competitions.

[YewYew]

May also have something to do with the increase in teams, and use of Northern's other teams now they are all in Sydney

And since Northern own the grounds and manage the Comp surely they can ensure it is affordable enough for their own competitions.

Draw shows loads of games at club grounds. Lots more teams tho - Wallsend & Rosevuds both with 2x teams in 9s & 10s. Wear were those kids last yr? Community? NET? Ovver SAP?

[YewYew]

Wot have ppl been seeing in SAP trial games then? Saw Weston & Roosters on the weekend. Decent soccer on show in 10s and 11s. Both clubs doing good.

[northern_swan]

Last year the 9's and 10's were also using field 3 (grass pitch) which is currently out of action. This may explain the lack of available fields

[Aegon]

Wot have ppl been seeing in SAP trial games then? Saw Weston & Roosters on the weekend. Decent soccer on show in 10s and 11s. Both clubs doing good.

In last years 9's Lake Macquarie had one strong team and one very weak team, hopefully they have balanced the skills out across both teams this year to prevent what could potentially be some really lopsided games as they are now 60min rather than 40min games. Weston were probably the weakest of the NPL teams in the same age group so it's good to see their performances improving.

I only know trial details from a few clubs in this years 10's age group:

Jaffas did really well across all grades against Emerging Jets girls and Charlestown Azzurri.

Azzurri have one strong team "Sky" & one weaker team "Navy".

New Lambton recently done very well against Fraser Park in Sydney.
They have an A team "Navy" and a B Team "Gold".

Magic have been playing lots of trials and have been stronger than every team they have played except the CC Mariners A team.
Both teams very evenly distributed.

Maitland & Edgy both have an A team and a B team but I don't know which one is which.

Olympic have 2 evenly distributed teams as well.

Don't really know anything about the other teams at this stage.

[Aegon]

Last year the 9's and 10's were also using field 3 (grass pitch) which is currently out of action. This may explain the lack of available fields

100% correct, I had completely forgot about the construction work going on there. That's 2 fields out of action for what will still be an extended amount of time.

[ForeverRed]

In last years 9's Lake Macquarie had one strong team and one very weak team, hopefully they have balanced the skills out across both teams this year to prevent what could potentially be some really lopsided games as they are now 60min rather than 40min games. Weston were probably the weakest of the NPL teams in the same age group so it's good to see their performances improving.

I only know trial details from a few clubs in this years 10's age group:

Jaffas did really well across all grades against Emerging Jets girls and Charlestown Azzurri.

Azzurri have one strong team "Sky" & one weaker team "Navy".

New Lambton recently done very well against Fraser Park in Sydney.
They have an A team "Navy" and a B Team "Gold".

Magic have been playing lots of trials and have been stronger than every team they have played except the CC Mariners A team.
Both teams very evenly distributed.

Maitland & Edgy both have an A team and a B team but I don't know which one is which.

Olympic have 2 evenly distributed teams as well.

Don't really know anything about the other teams at this stage.

Wow, this dad has done his homework, sounds like you’re keen to win a trophy, funny stuff

[Captain Obvious]

Wow, this dad has done his homework, sounds like you’re keen to win a trophy, funny stuff
They don't play for trophies in SAP.

[Aegon]

Wow, this dad has done his homework, sounds like you’re keen to win a trophy, funny stuff

How is it even hard to know this info?
Friends have kids in other teams and Jr knows kids via family, school etc that play at other clubs.

But congrats to you on the snide comment, you’re the internet hero for the day.

[YewYew]

Yup, nnswf running like a well oiled machine :(

NF position is going to be really hard to fill considering what they are offering.

https://newcastlefootball.com.au/wp-...ll-Manager.pdf

NF re-advertising the TD gig - now called "Football Manager". Same hrs and $$ as the TD advert but they dropped the clinics and summer NET frm the job. Main NET still there which is good.

[scowling]

New Lambton recently done very well against Fraser Park in Sydney.
They have an A team "Navy" and a B Team "Gold".


Morning everyone - My name is Steve and I'm this years NLFC U9 SAP Coach - and also just a Dad.
I started reading this forum about this time last year when SAP popped up on my radar and I had no idea what it was (my oldest son was in the NET system) - this forum helped (yes, really!) explain to me what it was and some of the other "issues". There has been some back and forth - but I can tell you're all passionate about football.

Yes, we(NLFC) only have one U9 SAP team. We only had internal trials, until we couldn't find 10 players and then opened it up externally. Two players in the team did not play for NLFC last year. I won't add any commentary to the process. I think we only have one under-aged player.

I can only talk in detail to the U9s, but as Aegon says above - the U10s did well in Sydney against Fraser Park FC (at least when they worked out Sydney U10 SAP is 9v9.. not 7v7).
Most other teams in all age groups struggled against Fraser Park FC. It's painful to get to, but the facilities at FP are excellent.

The U9s lost both games (3-1, 5-2) against reasonably strong A and B teams. We would have faired better if the drop-off rule was applied more consistently.
We have played the NLFC U10 Navy team at training and they smashed us - the difference a year of SAP and a year of physical development makes.
We have a trial match this weekend against Wallsend U9s.

The kids are excited about starting their SAP journey and I'm happy enough to be along for the ride, seeing them get better and have fun so far has been great.

Cheers
Steve

[Aegon]

Morning everyone - My name is Steve and I'm this years NLFC U9 SAP Coach - and also just a Dad.
I started reading this forum about this time last year when SAP popped up on my radar and I had no idea what it was (my oldest son was in the NET system) - this forum helped (yes, really!) explain to me what it was and some of the other "issues". There has been some back and forth - but I can tell you're all passionate about football.

Yes, we(NLFC) only have one U9 SAP team. We only had internal trials, until we couldn't find 10 players and then opened it up externally. Two players in the team did not play for NLFC last year. I won't add any commentary to the process. I think we only have one under-aged player.

I can only talk in detail to the U9s, but as Aegon says above - the U10s did well in Sydney against Fraser Park FC (at least when they worked out Sydney U10 SAP is 9v9.. not 7v7).
Most other teams in all age groups struggled against Fraser Park FC. It's painful to get to, but the facilities at FP are excellent.

The U9s lost both games (3-1, 5-2) against reasonably strong A and B teams. We would have faired better if the drop-off rule was applied more consistently.
We have played the NLFC U10 Navy team at training and they smashed us - the difference a year of SAP and a year of physical development makes.
We have a trial match this weekend against Wallsend U9s.

The kids are excited about starting their SAP journey and I'm happy enough to be along for the ride, seeing them get better and have fun so far has been great.

Cheers
Steve

Welcome to the forum mate. Your son will love the program and will develop very well as a player.

[YewYew]

Morning everyone - My name is Steve and I'm this years NLFC U9 SAP Coach - and also just a Dad.
I started reading this forum about this time last year when SAP popped up on my radar and I had no idea what it was (my oldest son was in the NET system) - this forum helped (yes, really!) explain to me what it was and some of the other "issues". There has been some back and forth - but I can tell you're all passionate about football.

Yes, we(NLFC) only have one U9 SAP team. We only had internal trials, until we couldn't find 10 players and then opened it up externally. Two players in the team did not play for NLFC last year. I won't add any commentary to the process. I think we only have one under-aged player.

I can only talk in detail to the U9s, but as Aegon says above - the U10s did well in Sydney against Fraser Park FC (at least when they worked out Sydney U10 SAP is 9v9.. not 7v7).
Most other teams in all age groups struggled against Fraser Park FC. It's painful to get to, but the facilities at FP are excellent.

The U9s lost both games (3-1, 5-2) against reasonably strong A and B teams. We would have faired better if the drop-off rule was applied more consistently.
We have played the NLFC U10 Navy team at training and they smashed us - the difference a year of SAP and a year of physical development makes.
We have a trial match this weekend against Wallsend U9s.

The kids are excited about starting their SAP journey and I'm happy enough to be along for the ride, seeing them get better and have fun so far has been great.

Cheers
Steve

Good on ya Steve. Nice to have some1 prepared to put there name out there. Not like the rest of us! 🤣

I didn’t no that Sydney SAP plays 9v9 in 10s. Why ain’t Northern done this? No consistency even in nsw so no wonder FFA wanna start youth soccer from scratch.

How did yr boys go v Wallsend on the wknd? I heard Wallsend had good roll up for there trials so they should b stronger than last yr.

[scowling]

Good on ya Steve. Nice to have some1 prepared to put there name out there. Not like the rest of us! 🤣

I didn’t no that Sydney SAP plays 9v9 in 10s. Why ain’t Northern done this? No consistency even in nsw so no wonder FFA wanna start youth soccer from scratch.

How did yr boys go v Wallsend on the wknd? I heard Wallsend had good roll up for there trials so they should b stronger than last yr.

I'm very happy to have you kind folks know who I am. If you see NLFC U9s playing come up and say hi.

We played well in patches on the weekend. It was the first 60 minute game for us, and it showed in the last 10-15 minutes. For me too!
The end result was lopsided to us - 12-5, or 13-4 .. or something. It might have been the first run for the Wallsend kids, they had a couple of kids who stood out but the team as a whole looked like they were short on cohesion.

We've been working very hard on structure and getting our defenders playing the ball forward to advance the ball and getting our attackers to look to score - but when the kids were tired the structure fell apart and the passes got longer and less useful. ugh.
And the more lopsided it became the more ALL OF THEM wanted to score .. which assisted in the structural breakdown.
They're 8. They're kids. They had fun. They'll get better at it.

[YewYew]

when the kids were tired the structure fell apart and the passes got longer and less useful. ugh.
And the more lopsided it became the more ALL OF THEM wanted to score .. which assisted in the structural breakdown.

Sound a bit like the Jets LOL!

Mate its great that yr kids have got some1 trying to get them playing on the deck. Does yr team have set backs, strikers? Or do kids get to play all positions? Do u have some1 dedicated in goals?

[scowling]

Sound a bit like the Jets LOL!

Mate its great that yr kids have got some1 trying to get them playing on the deck. Does yr team have set backs, strikers? Or do kids get to play all positions? Do u have some1 dedicated in goals?

Like most young SAP teams we've got kids that were the best of their miniroo teams - they are used to winning, they're used to scoring goals. If you asked them, they're all strikers :D

However, for their football education, I'd like (and I have the backing of my TD) them to play in all the positions. We don't have a single player who has GK in their sights.
The GK for each game rotates through the group - each kid plays as GK for the whole game.

We currently start with a back 3 and a forward 3. We have 10 players, so with 3 on the bench we rotate them after 10 mins - replacing either the back 3 or front 3.
This gives each group of 3 some consistency of teammates outside/next-to each other during the game and hopefully promotes teamwork/combinations. It also allows each group of 3 some considerable block time in attack or defense during the game.
Each game the players rotate one spot in the lineup - so will get up to 3 games in a row in attack or defense to improve on the skills we're working on at training.

It sounds complicated; but for the moment it's doing what we want; allowing players some length of time playing in each position, but also getting the chance to play all over the park.

[Bull fighter]

Like most young SAP teams we've got kids that were the best of their miniroo teams - they are used to winning, they're used to scoring goals. If you asked them, they're all strikers :D

However, for their football education, I'd like (and I have the backing of my TD) them to play in all the positions. We don't have a single player who has GK in their sights.
The GK for each game rotates through the group - each kid plays as GK for the whole game.

We currently start with a back 3 and a forward 3. We have 10 players, so with 3 on the bench we rotate them after 10 mins - replacing either the back 3 or front 3.
This gives each group of 3 some consistency of teammates outside/next-to each other during the game and hopefully promotes teamwork/combinations. It also allows each group of 3 some considerable block time in attack or defense during the game.
Each game the players rotate one spot in the lineup - so will get up to 3 games in a row in attack or defense to improve on the skills we're working on at training.

It sounds complicated; but for the moment it's doing what we want; allowing players some length of time playing in each position, but also getting the chance to play all over the park.

Excellent coaching, every child should have exposure to every position at that age to help develop and gain an understanding of whats required in each role. Kudos.

[Goatscheese]

However, for their football education, I'd like (and I have the backing of my TD) them to play in all the positions.

Good to see, putting players in one position at this stage of their development harms them. Important to learn what other areas of the field are meant to do as well as giving them a better well rounded experience. I coached SAP two years ago and had one upset mother because I wouldn't always put him up front. Apparently he is a striker and always has been. 3 years of miniroos where it is 4v4 does not a striker make.

[YewYew]

Good to see, putting players in one position at this stage of their development harms them. Important to learn what other areas of the field are meant to do as well as giving them a better well rounded experience. I coached SAP two years ago and had one upset mother because I wouldn't always put him up front. Apparently he is a striker and always has been. 3 years of miniroos where it is 4v4 does not a striker make.

100% agree. I saw a lot of SAP last yr & some of the “big” clubs definitly had kids only playing one position. 1 Jaffas team had a boy up front all yr & there other had a boy as full back all yr. don’t get me wrong they were good players but u ain’t learning the game that way.

magic as well. I saw there 9s last yr a bit & one game there ‘A’ team got the runaround from Valo cos Valo players know different positions but magic kids only no 1 position. I ain’t bagging magic cos they got good kids but it look like they just looking to win. I’d like to no from coach Ya Ya whether he ever moves his kids about???

[scowling]

Good to see, putting players in one position at this stage of their development harms them. Important to learn what other areas of the field are meant to do as well as giving them a better well rounded experience. I coached SAP two years ago and had one upset mother because I wouldn't always put him up front. Apparently he is a striker and always has been. 3 years of miniroos where it is 4v4 does not a striker make.

We've definitely had some feedback from parents. But if we don't give them a whole field education they'll grow up being very one-dimensional. If (and of course, the chances are miniscule) they end up a pro, having a grounding in all positions from the age of 8 should help them fit into any system.

We have been very open with our parents what we are trying to accomplish this year, and how we are going to go about trying to accomplish it. So far we've had 100% buy-in. The hard times will come if/when we start losing a few games and IF parents grumble that we would have won but ....

I've told them that winning is not the primary goal at this stage - yeah, the SAP mantra - locking in the skills, getting a rudimentary football education and having fun are much more important than winning. Winning papers over some cracks sometimes.

Good constructive discussion this - thanks everyone, loving it.

[YewYew]

We've definitely had some feedback from parents. But if we don't give them a whole field education they'll grow up being very one-dimensional. If (and of course, the chances are miniscule) they end up a pro, having a grounding in all positions from the age of 8 should help them fit into any system.

We have been very open with our parents what we are trying to accomplish this year, and how we are going to go about trying to accomplish it. So far we've had 100% buy-in. The hard times will come if/when we start losing a few games and IF parents grumble that we would have won but ....

I've told them that winning is not the primary goal at this stage - yeah, the SAP mantra - locking in the skills, getting a rudimentary football education and having fun are much more important than winning. Winning papers over some cracks sometimes.

Good constructive discussion this - thanks everyone, loving it.

Are NL going to be training at Speers Point this yr? I no yr TD is part of the Northern coaching set up. Interested to no how involved Northern will be with NL SAP training

[Aegon]

Are NL going to be training at Speers Point this yr? I no yr TD is part of the Northern coaching set up. Interested to no how involved Northern will be with NL SAP training

Are many clubs still training at Speers Point?

I know Magic were considering it this year but the parents didn't want a bar of it. Traffic in and out of there in the afternoons can be painful.

[John S]

Hi guys how are we?

[John S]

Ok so 1st time poster. Don’t yell at me if I’m doing this wrong but this page was brought to my attention by one of the fathers at our club. Seems my club is copping a bit of unwarranted abuse on here from that YewYew fella and others. I’m happy to answer any questions you guys have about our boys as long as we do it like adults and not carry on like some of the guys on here.
I’d like to know who I’m speaking with but and not fake names as I’ve put my name to the post so fire away guys.

[Aegon]

Ok so 1st time poster. Don’t yell at me if I’m doing this wrong but this page was brought to my attention by one of the fathers at our club. Seems my club is copping a bit of unwarranted abuse on here from that YewYew fella and others. I’m happy to answer any questions you guys have about our boys as long as we do it like adults and not carry on like some of the guys on here.
I’d like to know who I’m speaking with but and not fake names as I’ve put my name to the post so fire away guys.

Welcome to the forum John, it might help if you indicate which club you are from. I'm not sure about what abuse you are referring to?

[John S]

I’m the coach at magic 10s SAP, the one yew yew keeps referring to. Seems like my team gets spoken a lot about in this forum from what I was told and now spent the morning reading. Apparently I’m all about winning, I don’t rotate players and so on. Every single one of my kids has played every position on the park and they all get the same amount of game time on the park. I also have a TD who monitors this. I do have a lot of talented kids in my side which I didn’t just go and poach from other clubs but have had 80% of them since under 6/7s. We don’t keep ladders and scores but I can’t stop the kids from keeping count during games. All this talk about only care about winning is a bit rich, I’ve never dropped kids from older teams when I’ve been short and never will and I’ve seen this happen at other clubs. I don’t think because I have some talented boys that I deserve some of the criticism myself and my team have copped in a few comments.
I’m doing my best to get these kids playing to a level that can hopefully get them noticed for the jets or any higher level possible and for me that’s my main goal and not winning a game 8-5 or whatever it may be. That yew yew goes on about a game vs Valentine we played last year, I remember the game well as it was the day my dog passed away and yeah the boys got beat. Not because they can’t play different positions, but because of an outstanding display from the Valentine goalkeeper that day, they got the better of us and the boys learnt a valuable lesson from that loss about how you can have most of the ball but lose the game on counter attacks. I was happy with that game as they needed that as part of their development.
I believe they learn more from loosing than winning at this age. Anyway I’m here now so feel free to ask me and I’ll be as honest as I can.

[Aegon]

I’m the coach at magic 10s SAP, the one yew yew keeps referring to. Seems like my team gets spoken a lot about in this forum from what I was told and now spent the morning reading.

Regardless of which team you're with, you're doing something right. The 2 Magic 10's team were right up there with the strongest teams in the age group. Thanks for giving your time to help contributing to the kids development.

I've heard nothing but good stories so far about the new SAP TD there as well.

[scowling]

Are many clubs still training at Speers Point?

I know Magic were considering it this year but the parents didn't want a bar of it. Traffic in and out of there in the afternoons can be painful.

From what I know we weren't given the choice to train over there consistently - which I believe is a change from last year.

NLFC Premier Group has booked out some slots at LMRFF to help with Alder and Novocastrian conditioning - however my U9 team has yet to run a session there.
We have 1 organised session with Northern supervision scheduled - with a coach debrief afterwards. I am unaware of any other formal interaction between Northern and NLFC in this respect.

[Aegon]

From what I know we weren't given the choice to train over there consistently - which I believe is a change from last year.

NLFC Premier Group has booked out some slots at LMRFF to help with Alder and Novocastrian conditioning - however my U9 team has yet to run a session there.
We have 1 organised session with Northern supervision scheduled - with a coach debrief afterwards. I am unaware of any other formal interaction between Northern and NLFC in this respect.

Do you know who from NNSWF is undertaking the sessions supervision and debrief?

I have been wondering who is NNSWF has been doing everything in the interim with Clayton & Leo moving on.

[John S]

Regardless of which team you're with, you're doing something right. The 2 Magic 10's team were right up there with the strongest teams in the age group. Thanks for giving your time to help contributing to the kids development.

I've heard nothing but good stories so far about the new SAP TD there as well.

Ok I’ve worked out how to reply to specific comments now I’m all good lol... sorry about the edit on last comment.
Cheers mate
I don’t think some parents realise the time we put in to coach these kids... it’s not just the Tuesday Thursday and game on weekend. We don’t do it for the money trust me. It’s very draining and time consuming and if yew yew thinks he can do a better job he’s more than welcome to come down and run one of my sessions 👍

[scowling]

Do you know who from NNSWF is undertaking the sessions supervision and debrief?

I have been wondering who is NNSWF has been doing everything in the interim with Clayton & Leo moving on.

Nope, sorry. Internal communications just mention "NNSWF’s Technical Advisors"

If I find out I'll let you know

[John S]

100% agree. I saw a lot of SAP last yr & some of the “big” clubs definitly had kids only playing one position. 1 Jaffas team had a boy up front all yr & there other had a boy as full back all yr. don’t get me wrong they were good players but u ain’t learning the game that way.

magic as well. I saw there 9s last yr a bit & one game there ‘A’ team got the runaround from Valo cos Valo players know different positions but magic kids only no 1 position. I ain’t bagging magic cos they got good kids but it look like they just looking to win. I’d like to no from coach Ya Ya whether he ever moves his kids about???

We don’t have an “A” team they are both even, and I’m the coach not yaa yaa... who may you be? Or you going to just tell little lies behind fake names? What do they call them? Keyboard warriors? Let’s be grown ups here shall we? I’ll start..
My name is John and I coach magic SAP, nice to meet you YEW YEW, vent all you like at me but can I ask whom I’m speaking to as you seem to think you know a lot about me and my team.

[sideline88]

Long time reader, first time commenting.

This is our first year for our young one being involved in the SAP program through one of the association run girls programs, in past years how have SAP teams being mainly Male driven found the involvement of the Girls within the program? Has it been a positive experience for the teams or seen as more step backwards in compete each play for the boys?

From what I know of the club SAP program it was originally ran by the associations and now almost fully transferred over to Clubs only? Is this something people can see with the current growth of female participation that there will also be a transition of the girls into a WPL club run program in the near future?

[THEBIGCHEESE]

I would like to continue the discussion on the moving player position as I believe that rotating players can be detrimental to their development.

Firstly rotating every week and every game. How is a 9-11 year old going to comprehend the differences and success between playing CB and RW where one requires a better passing range and more p[positional discipline than the other which would require dribbling, RWTB and 1v1. This would be confusing and slow the players learning. While I am not advocating 1 player in 1 position forever I do think that playing a player in a position for 3 weeks (example), giving them tasks and challenges for that position and the move them and explain the similarities and differences between the old position and new.

Secondly we constantly draw attention to never producing world class players and I don't know 100% for sure but i would suggest the following players had very little movement around the pitch Rooney, Mbappe, Ronaldo and I am pretty sure Firmino never practised his tricks at CB. So what is the answer creating all round players who are good a lot of different things or creating a great player who great at one thing, take music how many times did Slash play the piano?

[ForeverRed]

We don’t have an “A” team they are both even, and I’m the coach not yaa yaa... who may you be? Or you going to just tell little lies behind fake names? What do they call them? Keyboard warriors? Let’s be grown ups here shall we? I’ll start..
My name is John and I coach magic SAP, nice to meet you YEW YEW, vent all you like at me but can I ask whom I’m speaking to as you seem to think you know a lot about me and my team.
Imagine if yew yew was Truey 😂😂

[John S]

Imagine if yew yew was Truey 😂😂

Hahaha you have been reading my Facebook 😂😂

[The Dunster]

I would like to continue the discussion on the moving player position as I believe that rotating players can be detrimental to their development.

Firstly rotating every week and every game. How is a 9-11 year old going to comprehend the differences and success between playing CB and RW where one requires a better passing range and more p[positional discipline than the other which would require dribbling, RWTB and 1v1. This would be confusing and slow the players learning. While I am not advocating 1 player in 1 position forever I do think that playing a player in a position for 3 weeks (example), giving them tasks and challenges for that position and the move them and explain the similarities and differences between the old position and new.

Secondly we constantly draw attention to never producing world class players and I don't know 100% for sure but i would suggest the following players had very little movement around the pitch Rooney, Mbappe, Ronaldo and I am pretty sure Firmino never practised his tricks at CB. So what is the answer creating all round players who are good a lot of different things or creating a great player who great at one thing, take music how many times did Slash play the piano?

A lot of Goalkeepers started out as strikers.
A lot of great guitarists started out as drummers.

Does anyone know where Boogs played as a kid ? He's got a few traits that suggest he might have scored a few goals as a youngster.

[ForeverRed]

Hahaha you have been reading my Facebook 😂😂
West brom fan here mate, don’t get caught up with this site, it’s garbage

[scowling]

I would like to continue the discussion on the moving player position as I believe that rotating players can be detrimental to their development.

Firstly rotating every week and every game. How is a 9-11 year old going to comprehend the differences and success between playing CB and RW where one requires a better passing range and more p[positional discipline than the other which would require dribbling, RWTB and 1v1. This would be confusing and slow the players learning. While I am not advocating 1 player in 1 position forever I do think that playing a player in a position for 3 weeks (example), giving them tasks and challenges for that position and the move them and explain the similarities and differences between the old position and new.

Secondly we constantly draw attention to never producing world class players and I don't know 100% for sure but i would suggest the following players had very little movement around the pitch Rooney, Mbappe, Ronaldo and I am pretty sure Firmino never practised his tricks at CB. So what is the answer creating all round players who are good a lot of different things or creating a great player who great at one thing, take music how many times did Slash play the piano?

Good points BigCheese.
I can only speak for our team, and specifically in the U9 age group. I would imagine that in the next few years during the Skill Acquisition Phase they will head towards more targeted positions.

It is my/our first year of SAP and our method is a work in progress; however by having 3 weeks in a row of playing in a defensive position - either L/C/R defender - and practicing the positioning/disciplines of a defensive position during training at least 3 out of the 6 sessions in that 3 week period we're _hoping_ that this allow them to develop that side of their game.
Of course, the next 3 games/6 training sessions are going to be L/C/R attack, and then one whole game in goals to round it out.

My oldest son (U12 this season) played in a dedicated forward role through last season which had been identified as his strongest position the previous year in U10s. So I'd suggest there's still time to dedicate to specific position training before they hit NEWFM/NPL age.

It would be very interesting to know the development pathways of the players you mention (as well as others) - I can only assume, in unjustified optimism, that the FFA found during research that multi-positions in the SAP Phase was practised elsewhere and thus was worth including in the curriculum.... ha!

[John S]

West brom fan here mate, don’t get caught up with this site, it’s garbage
Ah yes 😜. Mate I just got sick of hearing about this page and people talking about me and the boys. So had to see for myself and if they would come out and stop hiding behind fake names. I’m approachable and if they think they know more and can do a better job name yourself and let’s see 🤷*♂️
I need a new assistant as the last one has work commitments and can’t help me anymore.

[YewYew]

We don’t have an “A” team they are both even, and I’m the coach not yaa yaa... who may you be? Or you going to just tell little lies behind fake names? What do they call them? Keyboard warriors? Let’s be grown ups here shall we? I’ll start..
My name is John and I coach magic SAP, nice to meet you YEW YEW, vent all you like at me but can I ask whom I’m speaking to as you seem to think you know a lot about me and my team.

Nice to meet ya John. Im Bill and I dont coach anyone any more. Used to do a bit at Argenton but work got in the way. I aint hiding behind nothing - everry1 on here is the same. Only this week people been naming themself!!

I dont you know but I seen yr team play & they r very good. I just asked a question about positions. I been backing magic on here for months until yr mate Ya Ya started up. I got kids who play and no how much work u coaches do. As I say i did it myself. We all on here to talk about the game so we sweet. I'll be yr assistant if you want. Yr mates Truey and Ya Ya can can assist me. LOL

[Hurricane]

Ah yes 😜. Mate I just got sick of hearing about this page and people talking about me and the boys. So had to see for myself and if they would come out and stop hiding behind fake names. I’m approachable and if they think they know more and can do a better job name yourself and let’s see 🤷*♂️
I need a new assistant as the last one has work commitments and can’t help me anymore.

Probably got sick of hearing about Liverpool 😲😲

[John S]

Probably got sick of hearing about Liverpool 😲😲
Hahaha you can never get sick of hearing about Liverpool 😉 he was also a Liverpool fan, I think 🤔 🤣

[John S]

Nice to meet ya John. Im Bill and I dont coach anyone any more. Used to do a bit at Argenton but work got in the way. I aint hiding behind nothing - everry1 on here is the same. Only this week people been naming themself!!

I dont you know but I seen yr team play & they r very good. I just asked a question about positions. I been backing magic on here for months until yr mate Ya Ya started up. I got kids who play and no how much work u coaches do. As I say i did it myself. We all on here to talk about the game so we sweet. I'll be yr assistant if you want. Yr mates Truey and Ya Ya can can assist me. LOL

Hahah I don’t know this Ya Ya is but he seems to know a lot about magic as well, things I didn’t even know lol I might have to do some detective work to find out who it is. Anyway some of you know me by the sounds of it and you know I tell it like it is and have nothing to hide. I love a shit stir and some banter with the best of them but keep the banter on me and not the boys if that’s cool. They are only kids and there is some special players there for their age, I’m just lucky I have them in my team and hopefully I can help them achieve their goals with my experience of the game 👍

[Aegon]

Hahah I don’t know this Ya Ya is but he seems to know a lot about magic as well, things I didn’t even know lol I might have to do some detective work to find out who it is. Anyway some of you know me by the sounds of it and you know I tell it like it is and have nothing to hide. I love a shit stir and some banter with the best of them but keep the banter on me and not the boys if that’s cool. They are only kids and there is some special players there for their age, I’m just lucky I have them in my team and hopefully I can help them achieve their goals with my experience of the game ��

Which team do you coach? When my young lad played your boys at Magic park you or the coach of the other team pulled my son aside and our teams goalie and told them how well they played. They boys were really happy to be recognised like that.
Regardless I’ll come introduce myself when Jaffa’s and Magic play.

This forum is actually quite good if you can drown out some of the OTT comments.

[John S]

Which team do you coach? When my young lad played your boys at Magic park you or the coach of the other team pulled my son aside and our teams goalie and told them how well they played. They boys were really happy to be recognised like that.
Regardless I’ll come introduce myself when Jaffa’s and Magic play.

This forum is actually quite good if you can drown out some of the OTT comments.

I coach the Red team bud, and we did that often last year because I appreciate talented kids and they deserve to be praised by opposing coaches when they do well. 👍

[Goatscheese]

Are NL going to be training at Speers Point this yr? I no yr TD is part of the Northern coaching set up. Interested to no how involved Northern will be with NL SAP training

Not this year, Northern is only getting clubs there twice this year with some compulsory session for coaches afterwards.


Do you know who from NNSWF is undertaking the sessions supervision and debrief?

I have been wondering who is NNSWF has been doing everything in the interim with Clayton & Leo moving on.

Probably their Technical Advisor Neil Orr until they appoint a new TD


Long time reader, first time commenting.

This is our first year for our young one being involved in the SAP program through one of the association run girls programs, in past years how have SAP teams being mainly Male driven found the involvement of the Girls within the program? Has it been a positive experience for the teams or seen as more step backwards in compete each play for the boys?

At this age there isn't too much difference. Will be more beneficial for the girls though, make them tough for when they go into WPL. I find boys are more likely to cry at this age from getting hit than girls.

[YewYew]

Was at Rockwell today & saw Bluebells 1st SAP games. 9s vs Wallsend close & competitive. 11s got toweled up by Edgy.

Any other games? Heard a few washed out.

[Aegon]

Was at Rockwell today & saw Bluebells 1st SAP games. 9s vs Wallsend close & competitive. 11s got toweled up by Edgy.

Any other games? Heard a few washed out.

Cooks Square was washed out yesterday so Maitland v Edgy in 9’s/10’s, Maitland v Olympic in 11’s & Jaffas v New Lambton in 10’s didn’t go ahead.

[Game_over]

Both Jaffas U9 teams played at Rockwell today, one team beat Cooks hill 7-4 and the other drew with New Lambton 5-5. Not bad for a group of boys that have only played about an hour of game time with each other.

[sapdad]

hi new to SAP been a long time forum reader.is it a good idea to posts scores?i didnt think they mattered at all.im more worried about the games i saw over the weekend where 2 teams playing side by side against apparently equal opposition were witches hats. it was seriously concerning the talent gap.if im paying the rego fees and my kids are that far behind id be talking to the club about the point of being in the program.

[sapdad]

also i think the refereeing is going to be an issue.from games that i saw the young kids doing it were using a different set of rules to what has now been introduced.not a great look and going to cause some issues.not the young refs fault but the blokes in charge would be best served giving them the correct information before sticking them out in the middle.

[Aegon]

hi new to SAP been a long time forum reader.is it a good idea to posts scores?i didnt think they mattered at all.im more worried about the games i saw over the weekend where 2 teams playing side by side against apparently equal opposition were witches hats. it was seriously concerning the talent gap.if im paying the rego fees and my kids are that far behind id be talking to the club about the point of being in the program.

The scores aren't really the focus of the program as nothing is officially recorded. However nearly every kid who played knows the exact score at the end of the game.
As long as the coaching focuses on development and not the end "result" I don't think it really matters whether scores are communicated or not.

With the disparity in teams, after round 11 NNSWF will structure the draw into a weaker and stronger draw to try and avoid these lopsided games.

On a positive note, the lopsided results tend to be more prevalent early in the 9's. As the kids develop the kids tend to balance out and the games get more competitive.

[Aegon]

also i think the refereeing is going to be an issue.from games that i saw the young kids doing it were using a different set of rules to what has now been introduced.not a great look and going to cause some issues.not the young refs fault but the blokes in charge would be best served giving them the correct information before sticking them out in the middle.

It is definitely an ongoing issue. All the game leaders in SAP are volunteers, but it looks like there are different interpretations or at least ways in which the rules are being communicated through to the people leading the games.
The main inconsistencies seems to always be around the drop off rule & offsides. Also, one of the other things I hate seeing is the game leader coaching their team on the field.

[sapdad]

The scores aren't really the focus of the program as nothing is officially recorded. However nearly every kid who played knows the exact score at the end of the game.
As long as the coaching focuses on development and not the end "result" I don't think it really matters whether scores are communicated or not.

With the disparity in teams, after round 11 NNSWF will structure the draw into a weaker and stronger draw to try and avoid these lopsided games.

On a positive note, the lopsided results tend to be more prevalent early in the 9's. As the kids develop the kids tend to balance out and the games get more competitive.

i was meaning is it a good idea for parents to be posting kids scores on the forum.im ok with however the kids process that info on gameday.the lopsided games i saw were U/11.thats what made me wonder what has been happening at some clubs for the last 3 years.

[sapdad]

It is definitely an ongoing issue. All the game leaders in SAP are volunteers, but it looks like there are different interpretations or at least ways in which the rules are being communicated through to the people leading the games.
The main inconsistencies seems to always be around the drop off rule & offsides. Also, one of the other things I hate seeing is the game leader coaching their team on the field.

the refs i saw yesterday were young kids who looked like they were doing a refs course out at the facility.they were doing a good job but our club had sent rules around for every parent to read and the offside rule and free kick rules were interpreted differently to what the rule sheet said.there were parents on both sides wondering what was going on.no one carried on because it wasnt really affecting the result but in close games if the referee doesnt know the proper rule people are going to have an issue and it wont really be the referees fault.there was a guy there talking to the referees before during and after the game but it didnt look like he knew the rule changes either.

[Aegon]

the refs i saw yesterday were young kids who looked like they were doing a refs course out at the facility.they were doing a good job but our club had sent rules around for every parent to read and the offside rule and free kick rules were interpreted differently to what the rule sheet said.there were parents on both sides wondering what was going on.no one carried on because it wasnt really affecting the result but in close games if the referee doesnt know the proper rule people are going to have an issue and it wont really be the referees fault.there was a guy there talking to the referees before during and after the game but it didnt look like he knew the rule changes either.

Ya, thats definitely weird. I've never seen game leaders be provided at the facility before and it makes sense that some of the interpretations would be different. the 9/10's SAp rules are different than the 11's rules which are different to NPL. Who knows which rule book they were working off?

[Aegon]

i was meaning is it a good idea for parents to be posting kids scores on the forum.im ok with however the kids process that info on gameday.the lopsided games i saw were U/11.thats what made me wonder what has been happening at some clubs for the last 3 years.

I think the 11's have 3-4 super strong clubs where the 60 min games might make the scoreline very lopsided.
The 10's don't seem to be as unbalanced and it's still way too early to tell whats happening in the 9's.

I'd hope that if the game is getting too out of control that a coach would swap some player roles around like defense is now attack and vice versa.

[scowling]

I think the 11's have 3-4 super strong clubs where the 60 min games might make the scoreline very lopsided.
The 10's don't seem to be as unbalanced and it's still way too early to tell whats happening in the 9's.

I'd hope that if the game is getting too out of control that a coach would swap some player roles around like defense is now attack and vice versa.

As a result of some of the trial matches and one of our U11's results yesterday - Our TD has sent out instructions as to what to do when the score is getting out of control. It revolves around how to get something for both teams out of the rest of the game.

Based on our first half yesterday we looked in need of some of the measures ;) - but some corrections at halftime saw us come back to level it up.

[sapdad]

Our TD has sent out instructions as to what to do

when youre flogging someone or getting flogged? Im not sure what the TD wants teams to do.because i watched a team yesterday who were putting a few away but continued to play really good football.it was great training for them and they werent trying to just run up and score.because one day soon theyll come up against a really good team and all those extra reps will do them good.

[scowling]

when youre flogging someone or getting flogged? Im not sure what the TD wants teams to do.because i watched a team yesterday who were putting a few away but continued to play really good football.it was great training for them and they werent trying to just run up and score.because one day soon theyll come up against a really good team and all those extra reps will do them good.

When you're the dominant team.
Whilst agreeing with you in principle, I'd argue that scoring double digit goals against an opposition that is just no longer in the contest is not great for learning outcomes (for either side).

My team learnt their lesson yesterday after going 4 down by halftime. Other teams will learn their lessons differently.

[sapdad]

When you're the dominant team.
Whilst agreeing with you in principle, I'd argue that scoring double digit goals against an opposition that is just no longer in the contest is not great for learning outcomes (for either side).


yes i can see all sides of the argument but can you share with us what is expected of your team if you do start to dominate.there was a bit of discussion on it yesterday from some of the parents. some thought that the opposition coaching staff (and even parents) needed to be shown whats expected of kids to succeed in this program, and if standards arent being met them knowing what to do.i know if my kid was very clearly behind his peers then id not be paying top dollar rego fees and take a different approach to seeing him enjoy his football.i saw a lot of miserable kids over the weekend it wasnt great.

[scowling]

yes i can see all sides of the argument but can you share with us what is expected of your team if you do start to dominate.there was a bit of discussion on it yesterday from some of the parents. some thought that the opposition coaching staff (and even parents) needed to be shown whats expected of kids to succeed in this program, and if standards arent being met them knowing what to do.i know if my kid was very clearly behind his peers then id not be paying top dollar rego fees and take a different approach to seeing him enjoy his football.i saw a lot of miserable kids over the weekend it wasnt great.

Direct quote:
10 goals ahead, change to 2-touch football. This forces our players to work smarter so they get more out of the game, and hopefully evens the match up. If we get 15 goals ahead then we take a player off the field.

I guess finding the balance between allowing the kids a chance to increase their skills and their football education and showing them they don't belong in this company is hard. I'm not sure we'll need to go this path with my team this year, but I'll be chasing up with the TD to ask more questions about it.

Personally, as coach, I'll be catching up with parents many times during the season and part of that will be giving them the information they will require to make a decision to continue at this level next season. That then informs their financial commitment.

I'd be concerned if your scenario above played out too many times - surely the blame lies with the process that allowed them to get this far?

[cobra23]

Can someone tell me,
The games that got washed out over the weekend, surly they will catch them up ?

[The Dunster]

Direct quote:
10 goals ahead, change to 2-touch football. This forces our players to work smarter so they get more out of the game, and hopefully evens the match up. If we get 15 goals ahead then we take a player off the field.

I guess finding the balance between allowing the kids a chance to increase their skills and their football education and showing them they don't belong in this company is hard. I'm not sure we'll need to go this path with my team this year, but I'll be chasing up with the TD to ask more questions about it.

Personally, as coach, I'll be catching up with parents many times during the season and part of that will be giving them the information they will require to make a decision to continue at this level next season. That then informs their financial commitment.

I'd be concerned if your scenario above played out too many times - surely the blame lies with the process that allowed them to get this far?

The majority of the kids in these programs are not going to even be good enough to play at NPL level. That's nobody's fault it's just simple arithmetic.
As far as A-league standard products go you could be looking at maybe one kid every five years or so that gets a start.

[sapdad]

I'd be concerned if your scenario above played out too many times - surely the blame lies with the process that allowed them to get this far?

yes, yesterday was the worst ive seen so far and with 2 teams playing side by side it stood out more.wed heard earlier in the day another good team put up a similar score so theres 3 teams in one day who copped a pretty fair hiding. again, this being the 3rd year most of these kids are in the program it asked the question of whats going on at some clubs. the counterpoint is (and after reading a lot of this forum) there needs to be enough availability for good kids to get into these programs, especially as they get older. to crack some of the good teams squads at age 11 isnt easy with limited number so theres a chance a lot of kids are outside the catchment and might not get the chance.id love to see some of the clubs who arent doing as well get more active in their recruitment and maybe encourage some inner city kids to travel a bit to get a chance.they can schedule training times around making it easier and if kids want it badly enough then you make it happen.not every club 5minutes from home has a spot for your kid.

[Aegon]

Can someone tell me,
The games that got washed out over the weekend, surly they will catch them up ?

Going off previous years, no. They don’t play catch up games.

[scowling]

yes, yesterday was the worst ive seen so far and with 2 teams playing side by side it stood out more.wed heard earlier in the day another good team put up a similar score so theres 3 teams in one day who copped a pretty fair hiding. again, this being the 3rd year most of these kids are in the program it asked the question of whats going on at some clubs. the counterpoint is (and after reading a lot of this forum) there needs to be enough availability for good kids to get into these programs, especially as they get older. to crack some of the good teams squads at age 11 isnt easy with limited number so theres a chance a lot of kids are outside the catchment and might not get the chance.id love to see some of the clubs who arent doing as well get more active in their recruitment and maybe encourage some inner city kids to travel a bit to get a chance.they can schedule training times around making it easier and if kids want it badly enough then you make it happen.not every club 5minutes from home has a spot for your kid.

My first thought was to limit clubs to one team per age group - artificially forcing the talent into the other clubs .. but I imagine the clubs with two teams would hate this. There's a reason they have two teams in 9s/10s/11s/12s

Maybe some of the older heads on the forum have had this discussion before? What's the solution guys ? :D

[sapdad]

The majority of the kids in these programs are not going to even be good enough to play at NPL level. That's nobody's fault it's just simple arithmetic.
As far as A-league standard products go you could be looking at maybe one kid every five years or so that gets a start.

i think this is the entire point of the program.get enough kids for each club to have a strong future NPL squad of home grown/developed talent.teams from this program are already travelling to compare themselves with kids in other areas.some are stacking up well others are at least seeing whats needed in order to make it.a strong NPL will produce more Jets level players than Jets youth will anyway if history is any indication.theres quite a few old time professional footballers with kids in this program and they seem to believe in it so just being a dad with a kid that loves football and fits into a team its enough for me.

[scowling]

The majority of the kids in these programs are not going to even be good enough to play at NPL level. That's nobody's fault it's just simple arithmetic.
As far as A-league standard products go you could be looking at maybe one kid every five years or so that gets a start.

Yeah I agree Dunster - out of a pool of what? 150 U9 SAP players this year(?) the chances are slim that one kid makes it all the way.
However I'd temper that with the thought that if we raised the overall level of skill (by whatever artificial means necessary) would we increase the chances of it happening? The numbers aren't a reason not to try are they?

[Negative Police]

These 60 minute games arent great for the competition that we have. At least when teams swap the score is reset and a chance to fix weakness.

[Captain_Carl]

The majority of the kids in these programs are not going to even be good enough to play at NPL level. That's nobody's fault it's just simple arithmetic.
As far as A-league standard products go you could be looking at maybe one kid every five years or so that gets a start.

Although the zone SAP in its its final year before club SAP is fully established from U9-U12 I want to give you some stats that may or may not surprise you. Last year in Macquarie U12s there were 3 teams, 38 kids in total. How many of those 38 are playing NPL this year? 36.

In Youth NPL we currently have 4 Lake Macquarie based clubs (Edgeworth, Lake Macquarie, Valentine, Charlestown), 4 Newcastle based clubs (Lambton, Broadmeadow, Hamilton and Adamstown) and 2 Hunter Valley based clubs (Maitland and Weston). There is also North Coast and Mid Coast but as none of them will draw upon kids from our local region let’s put them aside for a moment.

So we have 10 NPL teams and each U13 team can take a maximum of 16 players. Some clubs opt for 15 while some choose 16. Therefore we need anywhere from 150-160 kids each year to fill those 10 teams. Where will they all come from? Happy to hear everyone’s thoughts.

[Jim]

Yeah I agree Dunster - out of a pool of what? 150 U9 SAP players this year(?) the chances are slim that one kid makes it all the way.
However I'd temper that with the thought that if we raised the overall level of skill (by whatever artificial means necessary) would we increase the chances of it happening? The numbers aren't a reason not to try are they?

And how many in Sydney and Melbourne are also developing higher at a younger age? I agree you need to try and aim higher at all times.

If you arent in the big city, chances are much less for mine

[Jim]

Although the zone SAP in its its final year before club SAP is fully established from U9-U12 I want to give you some stats that may or may not surprise you. Last year in Macquarie U12s there were 3 teams, 38 kids in total. How many of those 38 are playing NPL this year? 36.

In Youth NPL we currently have 4 Lake Macquarie based clubs (Edgeworth, Lake Macquarie, Valentine, Charlestown), 4 Newcastle based clubs (Lambton, Broadmeadow, Hamilton and Adamstown) and 2 Hunter Valley based clubs (Maitland and Weston). There is also North Coast and Mid Coast but as none of them will draw upon kids from our local region let’s put them aside for a moment.

So we have 10 NPL teams and each U13 team can take a maximum of 16 players. Some clubs opt for 15 while some choose 16. Therefore we need anywhere from 150-160 kids each year to fill those 10 teams. Where will they all come from? Happy to hear everyone’s thoughts.

Another question.

How many will make it beyond nnsw npl?

[Captain_Carl]

Another question.

How many will make it beyond nnsw npl?

Some will get picked up by the bigger NPL competitions such as Victoria and NSW and out of, for example this year’s U13s perhaps 1 at the very most will make the A-League.

[sapdad]

So we have 10 NPL teams and each U13 team can take a maximum of 16 players. Some clubs opt for 15 while some choose 16. Therefore we need anywhere from 150-160 kids each year to fill those 10 teams. Where will they all come from? Happy to hear everyone’s thoughts.

im guessing 2021 will be an issue but from 2022 when the first group of SAP kids graduate from the program each club having 2 teams automatically has 22 kids to choose from to make a squad.the hope has always been that those 22 will be better prepared for NPL than previous generations due to the 4 years of structured training and games.Clubs with one SAP team are balanced out by some SAP clubs not having NPL youth so those kids should fill the gaps.add in the late bloomers,kids from ID's etc and the numbers should be there and hopefully each year the 13's entering NPL will be better prepared than the year before as the program evolves.
hopefully as the SAP kids hit the NPL and have 4 years of club loyalty the NPL clubs who arent keeping up with the SAP program will understand how serious some clubs take it and refocus.SAP clubs like Magic/Olympic/Jaffas/Edgy have a ready made youth squad sitting there.they'll be fine.

[Captain_Carl]

im guessing 2021 will be an issue but from 2022 when the first group of SAP kids graduate from the program each club having 2 teams automatically has 22 kids to choose from to make a squad.the hope has always been that those 22 will be better prepared for NPL than previous generations due to the 4 years of structured training and games.Clubs with one SAP team are balanced out by some SAP clubs not having NPL youth so those kids should fill the gaps.add in the late bloomers,kids from ID's etc and the numbers should be there and hopefully each year the 13's entering NPL will be better prepared than the year before as the program evolves.
hopefully as the SAP kids hit the NPL and have 4 years of club loyalty the NPL clubs who arent keeping up with the SAP program will understand how serious some clubs take it and refocus.SAP clubs like Magic/Olympic/Jaffas/Edgy have a ready made youth squad sitting there.they'll be fine.

I certainly agree that the new system is more likely to create loyalty to clubs and that is a good thing. What I don’t necessarily agree with is the new system is going to make boys better prepared for NPL. In the zone sap it was the best kids from every zone i.e. Newcastle, Macquarie, Hunter Valley plus the Emerging jets. In the new system it is the best from each club. The quality of coach will be the determining factor on how prepared or otherwise the players will be. There are certain age groups that go through the system that stand out more than others. I would encourage SAP parents to take their sons/daughters to watch some under 13 NPL games this season if possible. It would be the strongest age group To go through for some time as apart from Macquarie taking an extra team last year, the emerging jets boys have fallen into the system as well by default of being too young for the Sydney NPL.

[sapdad]

The quality of coach will be the determining factor on how prepared or otherwise the players will be.
i cannot agree with you more here.the difference in coaching enthusiasm, ability and intelligence has been massive.i think thats why some clubs have tied their SAP squads to their senior teams.some train in the same place, some go to the same pressos,some ballboy for 1st grade,some have exhibition games during NPL games.all to get the kids understanding what it takes.its these small things that the smart clubs are doing that will hopefully have an effect later on.



also agree on the NPL youth.saw a lot of Olympic and Magic especially over the last 2 seasons.as impressive as the kids are, the coaching staff have been equally as brilliant.a lot of the SAP coaches could do worse than spend some time watching some of these clubs and the way they treat their kids.

[Aegon]

I certainly agree that the new system is more likely to create loyalty to clubs and that is a good thing. What I don’t necessarily agree with is the new system is going to make boys better prepared for NPL. In the zone sap it was the best kids from every zone i.e. Newcastle, Macquarie, Hunter Valley plus the Emerging jets. In the new system it is the best from each club. The quality of coach will be the determining factor on how prepared or otherwise the players will be. There are certain age groups that go through the system that stand out more than others. I would encourage SAP parents to take their sons/daughters to watch some under 13 NPL games this season if possible. It would be the strongest age group To go through for some time as apart from Macquarie taking an extra team last year, the emerging jets boys have fallen into the system as well by default of being too young for the Sydney NPL.

Under the Zone SAP only about what... 50-60 kids were receiving the benefit of the training under that system?
The premier club system should provide a similar level of training to approx 250 kids.

Only a few clubs tended to get these players after the Zone SAP wrapped up which results in an unbalanced NPL Yth that stifles development through lack of a challenge.

[Captain_Carl]

Under the Zone SAP only about what... 50-60 kids were receiving the benefit of the training under that system?
The premier club system should provide a similar level of training to approx 250 kids.

Only a few clubs tended to get these players after the Zone SAP wrapped up which results in an unbalanced NPL Yth that stifles development through lack of a challenge.

The level of training is only similar if the standard of coaches is similar across the board. While not every coach in zone SAP was great they did tend to attract some of the better ones. I think in club SAP it will be a bit more hit and miss.

[sapdad]

The level of training is only similar if the standard of coaches is similar across the board. While not every coach in zone SAP was great they did tend to attract some of the better ones. I think in club SAP it will be a bit more hit and miss.

yes id like to think that one of the first things clubs do is appoint a (paid) TD with proper knowledge and experience so there is someone at club level teaching the coaches. individual SAP coaches are never going to be all fantastic, but if clubs prioritise the program and at least help the coaches along it should pay dividends.i think most of the good SAP clubs have TD's in place already as part of their youth setups.

[Aegon]

The level of training is only similar if the standard of coaches is similar across the board. While not every coach in zone SAP was great they did tend to attract some of the better ones. I think in club SAP it will be a bit more hit and miss.

I have zero experience with the zone SAP system, however feedback from friends who had kids go through the system or have them in Under 12's now. It's clear that the coaching was just as hit and miss there as it is in the clubs. Last years NNWSF Newcastle 11's definitely had issues with one of their coaches. Not sure if the same coach returned this year but the parents I know there are much happier with a new coach.
I don't know anyone who had kids go through HV but the feedback from the guys who had their boys in Macquarie and Newcastle (When NF ran it) was they had good years and bad years. Newcastle seemed to have a consistent message at least as they apparently turned out great midfielders year after year.

The clubs should have a vested interest in getting the right coaches or at least providing the best possible coaching oversight (TD's or SAP coordinators depending on the club title) as the end goal should be providing all the pre requisite skills for all these kids in the premier club SAP system to step up into the NPL (Or NL1) Youth system seamlessly.

[BS detecor]

All I want to say is 15/16 is the magic age.

I’ve seen kids who played community football until under 12s killing it in the Jets system now.
I’ve seen kids who played rugby league until under 12s killing it in the jets system now.
I’ve seen the next best thing who was a superstar SAP kid, maybe even an emerging jet who rides a skateboard or surfboard now because they are sick of the structure and the pressure they have been under since they were 8 years old.

It doesn’t matter how technically and tactically brilliant a child is at 9-12 years old, the most important thing at that age is for them to fall in love with the game so much that they want to play it every day.

A coach will have a small impact on whether a player makes it to A league level. The majority has to come from the fire within the player to succeed and the willingness to do more than the average kid to achieve it.

Let your kids fall in love with the game and don’t take it too seriously too soon

[Bull fighter]

All I want to say is 15/16 is the magic age.

I’ve seen kids who played community football until under 12s killing it in the Jets system now.
I’ve seen kids who played rugby league until under 12s killing it in the jets system now.
I’ve seen the next best thing who was a superstar SAP kid, maybe even an emerging jet who rides a skateboard or surfboard now because they are sick of the structure and the pressure they have been under since they were 8 years old.

It doesn’t matter how technically and tactically brilliant a child is at 9-12 years old, the most important thing at that age is for them to fall in love with the game so much that they want to play it every day.

A coach will have a small impact on whether a player makes it to A league level. The majority has to come from the fire within the player to succeed and the willingness to do more than the average kid to achieve it.

Let your kids fall in love with the game and don’t take it too seriously too soon

Best post in this forum 100% correct, passion and determination will trump everything in the long run.
Seen it all first hand, let the kids do what they want to do and things will work out just fine.

[sapdad]

All I want to say is 15/16 is the magic age.

I’ve seen kids who played community football until under 12s killing it in the Jets system now.
I’ve seen kids who played rugby league until under 12s killing it in the jets system now.
I’ve seen the next best thing who was a superstar SAP kid, maybe even an emerging jet who rides a skateboard or surfboard now because they are sick of the structure and the pressure they have been under since they were 8 years old.

It doesn’t matter how technically and tactically brilliant a child is at 9-12 years old, the most important thing at that age is for them to fall in love with the game so much that they want to play it every day.

A coach will have a small impact on whether a player makes it to A league level. The majority has to come from the fire within the player to succeed and the willingness to do more than the average kid to achieve it.

Let your kids fall in love with the game and don’t take it too seriously too soon

reading back through this forum ive seen this type of comment a lot.i think the type of person commenting on here is exactly as you say they should be.all the parents seem to want the best for their kids and want their kids passion for football to be the best experience they can get.i certainly dont want my kid getting yelled at every week or feeling like hes failing if they lose games.so hearing other parents opinions on coaches/clubs etc can mean making more informed decisions in the future to avoid such issues.from the second we were spoken to by our club about what the program actually is all about we understood what its there for and we are comfortable in where its headed.for sure other kids will come from outside the program to become stars.no one within SAP is saying this is the only way.likewise SAP kids are going to end up successful in other areas and credit the program with instilling some discipline and pride in themselves.sport is supposed to be fun and educational.my kid is having fun and learning and happy.thats all i want to see.

[YewYew]

Watched Edgy v Magic 9s 2day and saw a big gap between teams. Edgy real good. Didn’t see the ovver game but heard it was a bit closer.

Never stayed for 10s but got told magic put 20+ on one of the girls teams. That yr boys John S?

If true that ain’t no good for any1. Ain’t blaming magic kids but Northern got to sort that out. People on here already talking about cricket scores in matches last week to. Not a good look for Northern.

[Aegon]

Watched Edgy v Magic 9s 2day and saw a big gap between teams. Edgy real good. Didn’t see the ovver game but heard it was a bit closer.

Never stayed for 10s but got told magic put 20+ on one of the girls teams. That yr boys John S?

If true that ain’t no good for any1. Ain’t blaming magic kids but Northern got to sort that out. People on here already talking about cricket scores in matches last week to. Not a good look for Northern.

I watched one game today that ended up being won by 8 or 9 goals.

The game wasn’t completely dominated by any means but small sided football can be cruel in a 60 minute game.

[ForeverRed]

Westy 14s beat singleton 20 nil yesterday so it doesn’t get any better the olderr you get

[sideline88]

Watched Edgy v Magic 9s 2day and saw a big gap between teams. Edgy real good. Didn’t see the ovver game but heard it was a bit closer.

Never stayed for 10s but got told magic put 20+ on one of the girls teams. That yr boys John S?

If true that ain’t no good for any1. Ain’t blaming magic kids but Northern got to sort that out. People on here already talking about cricket scores in matches last week to. Not a good look for Northern.

Magic 10 Yellow Vs HVF girls would be the game in question. The second 10s magic boys were playing Edgeworth boys at the same time side by side.

The HVF girls are made up of mostly under 10 girls (and even one young under 9 ) not a single player from that group of girls has had any experience in the SAP program prior to this season. Game was very one sided indeed and agreed not a game that would have had Benefit for either team involved.

[YewYew]

Magic 10 Yellow Vs HVF girls would be the game in question. The second 10s magic boys were playing Edgeworth boys at the same time side by side.

The HVF girls are made up of mostly under 10 girls (and even one young under 9 ) not a single player from that group of girls has had any experience in the SAP program prior to this season. Game was very one sided indeed and agreed not a game that would have had Benefit for either team involved.

Y r HV girls 10s playing in the SAP 10s? Even Emerging Jets girls have there 11s in that comp. & they the best girls.

Some1 at Noethern has fcuked up. & those poor HV kids are the ones who suffering

[sideline88]

Y r HV girls 10s playing in the SAP 10s? Even Emerging Jets girls have there 11s in that comp. & they the best girls.

Some1 at Noethern has fcuked up. & those poor HV kids are the ones who suffering

Just to clarify, my comments are just what I know from having a daughter playing in this team at HVF. So numbers were short this year for them and the 11 girls almost non existent bar the exception of 2 girls as far as IÂ’m aware. So the team is an 11 girls made up of mostly under 10s players.

Regardless of this I think northern should have had the foresight to look at the ages and drop the girls down into the 9s SAP competition.