Are there any games scheduled for this weekend. You would think Northern would be driving this and rescheduling a whole round to this weekend
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Are there any games scheduled for this weekend. You would think Northern would be driving this and rescheduling a whole round to this weekend
Yes there are, quick look on Squadi will show which games are scheduled.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
heaps of washout games every night this weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Um, when there's downpours there's no games on so fields will still recover and have less catchups in short succession.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
There's a few on here who do this infantile stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
Heard Northern have now said get all games in over next two weeks but not all will be able to be played so they are using PPG to determine Phase 2.
Northern are now doing what they should've done the first time and we still could've got 14 games in for Phase 2 and unless one team loses all their games and the other wins all theirs there is no change to the make up of the 3 leagues.
Would like to know why Northern decided to finish Phase 1 and not just follow their own competition rules, which clubs were complaining to them about it?
Phase 2 will be one round only.Teams will play each other once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Northern should refund part of the clubs rego fees then. Less games played due to phase 2 reduction means less money they have to pay to council for ground hire and less payments for referees.
Will this happen or do they justify it by saying they had to use that money to pay for catch up games at Lake Mac synthetic.
I know because they said they want to finish all Phase 1 games instead of following their own rules and just deciding Phase 2 on PPG so Phase 2 will start later. But they have now said not all the games will be played so they will be doing PPG on Phase 1 anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by outsider
They should've just done that in the first place and Phase 2 could be starting next weekend with the originally planned 14 games.
Im usually pretty quick to defend NNSW but they have to admit they stuffed up here.They had procedures in place and the clubs all knew it but they once again changed direction and made things more difficult.As for any clubs complaining,they are the first people NNSW should ignore as they are only interested in themselves where as NNSW should be all about the whole program.Its a shame as the 2 round phase 2 would have been great but looks like we have to wait til next year again.
It is a real shame that phase 2 will only be the 1 round. If phase 2 started on the weekend of the 7/8 June, then it would have been completed the weekend of 6/7 September, GF played weekend 20/21 September, which seems reasonable. If NNSW were really worried about equity, base the relegation on PPG (the relegated clubs are already locked in anyways) and reset the points for Div 1 as well.
As others have said, nearly 30% of the league season wiped off is a bit hard to take.
Seems like NNSW (and clubs, to some extent) are happy to do less and less.
Less games, less training... and then somehow they expect to develop young players?
An 18 games season is ridiculous.
For what is worth, I'll be sending a complaint letter and a request for a partial refund.
A question without notice for the brains trust. My teenage son referees locally in the North Coast Football community competition. I noticed recently that there was a 10% 'fee' deducted from his referring wages each week. When I questioned NCF about this, the answer was that is to cover the 'cost of administration' for the referees department. Does NNSW do this for their refs? NCF wages match those published on the NNSW website LESS the 10% fee.
It seems very odd to me that the kids (and adults) are responsible for these costs and not registration fees from the players. Thoughts?
Yes they do and its just the cost of doing business IMHO.The refs get paid more than pretty much every other youth job and its tax free so they are well in front financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
When I was a ref, there were some fees associated with it. 10% sounds about right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
Clubs would pay cash on the day. Association would send a monthly statement.
I think it was acceptable as like a “finders fee” for them finding and allocating you the work.
I guess they need some funding to survive.
And each club used to do things differently with players too, especially with interdistrict comps, some clubs would say, add a bulk payment as part of rego to cover all match fees. Others would forgo this and teams would pay the referees per game. (Usually juniors were covered by club paying us and seniors was players passing the hat around haha).
I assume/hope things have become a bit more streamlined, but your post suggests otherwise.
Referees have been charged a percentage of their fees (10% currently)for as long as I can remember-nothing new-You will find that each referees branch will charge a fee including NNSW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
Any whispers on when phase 2 of PYL will actually start. With games still to be played this weekend will Northern try and start phase 2 the following weekend 14 June or will they give themselves an extra week to sort out the draw and commence on weekend of 21 June.
Poor that your club hasn't told you games to start the weekend 14th/15th JuneQuote:
Originally Posted by Box2Box
Latest Div 1 PPR table.
Attachment 1891
Obviously the 'ref dept' needs funding to survive, but I would question why it is not funded by the users of the service (players/parents via rego fees) rather than the providers of the service.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
I will agreeably disagree with others on this one. It fails the pub test for me.
Div 1 is locked in, wonder if northern will get on the front foot and start to map out the draw for at least div 1 while finalising the positions for Div 2 and 3 to then map out the draw for them divs. but why put common sense into the argument.
So has it been 100% confirmed that there will only be 1 round of games (7 matches) rather than 2 rounds (14 matches) for phase 2?
Yes, and it's stupid...they put this artificial deadline on themselves for not good reason...it would have been better to have canned the rest of phase 1...set all points to zero and start the proper season with home and away if they were concerned about datesQuote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
As the season gets close to the break thought I?d take a look at some lucky/unlucky teams (unlucky being relegated despite being in top 8)
Div1 the likely relegated: Weston, Cooks Hill, New Lambton and Mid Coast
13s
Unlucky: Mid Coast 6th (2 games in hand), New Lambton 7th (2 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (1 game in hand), Edgeworth 11th (1 game in hand)
14s
Unlucky: Mid Coast 4th (2 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (no games in hand)
15s
Unlucky: New Lambton 8th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: Maitland 9th (1 game in hand)
16s
N/A
18s
Unlucky: Cooks Hill 5th (1 game in hand), Weston 7th (3 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (2 games in hand) Edgeworth 10th (1 game in hand)
Div 2 ? I believe the top 4 Charlestown, South Cardiff, NIR & Belswans (staying in div 2)
Unlucky = top 4 team, being relegated to Div 3
13s
Unlucky: Rosebuds 1st (1 game in hand), Kahibah 4th (no games in hand)
Lucky: Belswans 5th (2 games in hand), NIR 9th (1 game in hand)
14s
Unlucky: West Wallsend 4th (no games in hand)
Lucky: Belswans 8th (2 games in hand)
15s
Unlucky: Kahibah 2nd (no games in hand)
Lucky: South Cardiff 5th (1 game in hand)
16s
Unlucky: Kahibah 4th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: NIR 6th (3 games in hand)
18s
Unlucky: Kahibah 4th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: NIR 7th (1 game in hand)
Assuming it is this ridiculous 7 game competition for phase 2, with it starting weekend of 14/15 June and having 1 week off in middle of July school holidays, the season for non semi finals teams is over on weekend of 3/4 August. This is to me is ridiculous. They could still do a proper phase 2 with 14 games and simply schedule some midweek fixtures. If the rain came then I accept that a ppg system would have to be implemented. But to not even try to do phase 2 properly is extremely disappointing.
I think there are 3 weekends set aside in phase 2 for weather related catchups.I agree with the 2nd phase being an issue but they simply cannot do mid week games and double headers due to lack of referees and travelling clubs not being able to get here (or Newcastle clubs playing away).Phase 1 should have been shorter and PPG used from the start but we are now here and just have to accept it.We can only hope that NNSW reads this forum and understands that they got this one wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Box2Box
Couldn't be any shorter but also should have just done PPG as per their own regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Doubt they will accept they got it wrong, hopefully clubs get into them over it, and I would also like to know if any clubs were going to Northern to insist all of Phase 1 games be played.Quote:
We can only hope that NNSW reads this forum and understands that they got this one wrong.
Who do you think pays the referee fees? :roflz:Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
If you don’t think that northern or the inter-district boards taking 10% of the appointed referee fees passes, then they’ll just drop the fees that refs get by 10% and charge the clubs that admin fee :roflz:
I was meaning they should have kept it at its original length and introduced PPG instead of extending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
And the reason they dont charge clubs is that its an extra layer of admin (for clubs and NNSW) because they cant charge every club flat fee because not every club gets the same amount of referees.The current system works fine I have literally not ever heard a complaint about the amount of money NNSW pays referees compared to other jobs those kids could be doing at those ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Yes that's what I am saying as well. PPG was already in the regulations as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
What? Why the condescending attitude? Of course rego fees are used to pay for the refs. Here's a thought though, just like every other department within NNSW (or any business for that matter) the revenue they receive is used to cover their expenses. If that means fees to players and NNSW cut goes up a couple of bucks a year then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Who is complaining about what the refs get paid? Typical internet strawman argument. I don't have an opinion on that really, but my son seems reasonably happy with what he gets paid. However, with the acute shortage of referees out there it might provide some evidence to the contrary. My beef is the model. As I said in the previous post - just like every other department within NNSW (or any business for that matter) the revenue they receive is used to cover their expenses. If that means fees to players and NNSW cut goes up a couple of bucks a year then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
You said your son is happy with his wages but your issue is they could be higher(due to the 10% fee being shown on the invoice).So if the fee wasnt disclosed on the wage slip you would never know and everyone would be happy.Also,the referees are paid out of the total NNSW revenue pool so technically clubs and players are already funding it.The fee goes back to the referees department within NNSW to run that side of the business.The more referees that sign up,the higher the NNSW wage bill so eventually clubs and players will pay more anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
Oh FFS, read my post again. Yes, if they were paid 10% less and therefore what the clubs were billed for the service went 100% to the referees I wouldn't have a problem. But they don't.
And no, they are not technically funding it, they are funding 90% of it.
Ok,so I will petition NNSW to not write the fee on the invoice and you'll be none the wiser and happier for it.Glad we fixed it together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
On another note we were told today that all 3 travelling clubs will be playing away in week 1 of phase 2 so no Newcastle based teams will be required to travel on short notice.No one is expecting games to be posted until mid week but it does give a small bit of clarity that there wont be any last minute long drives.Hope they have given those travelling clubs plenty of notice as well.
Getting rid of the 4 week pre-season cup could be a good idea. Clubs can organise friendly games before the start of the season if they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Phase 1 would finish by mid-May, with a strict rule about PPG in case games can't be completed.
This way, there would be plenty of time for a full 14 games phase 2 plus finals.
The way this season has been managed is utterly disappointing: they identified a problem, set rules to solve it in case it happened, and then ignored their own rules.
I don't understand why they mentioned "volunteer burnout", when PPG was actually the best way to avoid that?
Yeah f*ck it, those pesky regional teams can do the long drive at short notice. No doubt the promised 60/40 split for home/away regional team games will be another NNSW over promise under deliver BS again.
Yep, didn't read it. I knew I should have typed it slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
A straw man argument is a logical fallacy that involves misrepresenting someone else's argument to make it easier to attack or refute.