Div 1 is locked in, wonder if northern will get on the front foot and start to map out the draw for at least div 1 while finalising the positions for Div 2 and 3 to then map out the draw for them divs. but why put common sense into the argument.
Div 1 is locked in, wonder if northern will get on the front foot and start to map out the draw for at least div 1 while finalising the positions for Div 2 and 3 to then map out the draw for them divs. but why put common sense into the argument.
So has it been 100% confirmed that there will only be 1 round of games (7 matches) rather than 2 rounds (14 matches) for phase 2?
Yes, and it's stupid...they put this artificial deadline on themselves for not good reason...it would have been better to have canned the rest of phase 1...set all points to zero and start the proper season with home and away if they were concerned about datesOriginally Posted by Izzy
As the season gets close to the break thought I?d take a look at some lucky/unlucky teams (unlucky being relegated despite being in top 8)
Div1 the likely relegated: Weston, Cooks Hill, New Lambton and Mid Coast
13s
Unlucky: Mid Coast 6th (2 games in hand), New Lambton 7th (2 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (1 game in hand), Edgeworth 11th (1 game in hand)
14s
Unlucky: Mid Coast 4th (2 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (no games in hand)
15s
Unlucky: New Lambton 8th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: Maitland 9th (1 game in hand)
16s
N/A
18s
Unlucky: Cooks Hill 5th (1 game in hand), Weston 7th (3 games in hand)
Lucky: Valentine 9th (2 games in hand) Edgeworth 10th (1 game in hand)
Div 2 ? I believe the top 4 Charlestown, South Cardiff, NIR & Belswans (staying in div 2)
Unlucky = top 4 team, being relegated to Div 3
13s
Unlucky: Rosebuds 1st (1 game in hand), Kahibah 4th (no games in hand)
Lucky: Belswans 5th (2 games in hand), NIR 9th (1 game in hand)
14s
Unlucky: West Wallsend 4th (no games in hand)
Lucky: Belswans 8th (2 games in hand)
15s
Unlucky: Kahibah 2nd (no games in hand)
Lucky: South Cardiff 5th (1 game in hand)
16s
Unlucky: Kahibah 4th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: NIR 6th (3 games in hand)
18s
Unlucky: Kahibah 4th (1 game in hand)
Lucky: NIR 7th (1 game in hand)
Assuming it is this ridiculous 7 game competition for phase 2, with it starting weekend of 14/15 June and having 1 week off in middle of July school holidays, the season for non semi finals teams is over on weekend of 3/4 August. This is to me is ridiculous. They could still do a proper phase 2 with 14 games and simply schedule some midweek fixtures. If the rain came then I accept that a ppg system would have to be implemented. But to not even try to do phase 2 properly is extremely disappointing.
I think there are 3 weekends set aside in phase 2 for weather related catchups.I agree with the 2nd phase being an issue but they simply cannot do mid week games and double headers due to lack of referees and travelling clubs not being able to get here (or Newcastle clubs playing away).Phase 1 should have been shorter and PPG used from the start but we are now here and just have to accept it.We can only hope that NNSW reads this forum and understands that they got this one wrong.
Couldn't be any shorter but also should have just done PPG as per their own regulations.
Doubt they will accept they got it wrong, hopefully clubs get into them over it, and I would also like to know if any clubs were going to Northern to insist all of Phase 1 games be played.We can only hope that NNSW reads this forum and understands that they got this one wrong.
Who do you think pays the referee fees?
If you don’t think that northern or the inter-district boards taking 10% of the appointed referee fees passes, then they’ll just drop the fees that refs get by 10% and charge the clubs that admin fee
Middleby Gone
Lawrie Out
I was meaning they should have kept it at its original length and introduced PPG instead of extending.
And the reason they dont charge clubs is that its an extra layer of admin (for clubs and NNSW) because they cant charge every club flat fee because not every club gets the same amount of referees.The current system works fine I have literally not ever heard a complaint about the amount of money NNSW pays referees compared to other jobs those kids could be doing at those ages.If you don?t think that northern or the inter-district boards taking 10% of the appointed referee fees passes, then they?ll just drop the fees that refs get by 10% and charge the clubs that admin fee
Yes that's what I am saying as well. PPG was already in the regulations as well
What? Why the condescending attitude? Of course rego fees are used to pay for the refs. Here's a thought though, just like every other department within NNSW (or any business for that matter) the revenue they receive is used to cover their expenses. If that means fees to players and NNSW cut goes up a couple of bucks a year then so be it.Who do you think pays the referee fees?
If you don?t think that northern or the inter-district boards taking 10% of the appointed referee fees passes, then they?ll just drop the fees that refs get by 10% and charge the clubs that admin fee
Last edited by Izzy; 06-06-2025 at 09:31 AM.
Who is complaining about what the refs get paid? Typical internet strawman argument. I don't have an opinion on that really, but my son seems reasonably happy with what he gets paid. However, with the acute shortage of referees out there it might provide some evidence to the contrary. My beef is the model. As I said in the previous post - just like every other department within NNSW (or any business for that matter) the revenue they receive is used to cover their expenses. If that means fees to players and NNSW cut goes up a couple of bucks a year then so be it.
You said your son is happy with his wages but your issue is they could be higher(due to the 10% fee being shown on the invoice).So if the fee wasnt disclosed on the wage slip you would never know and everyone would be happy.Also,the referees are paid out of the total NNSW revenue pool so technically clubs and players are already funding it.The fee goes back to the referees department within NNSW to run that side of the business.The more referees that sign up,the higher the NNSW wage bill so eventually clubs and players will pay more anyway.
Oh FFS, read my post again. Yes, if they were paid 10% less and therefore what the clubs were billed for the service went 100% to the referees I wouldn't have a problem. But they don't.
And no, they are not technically funding it, they are funding 90% of it.
Ok,so I will petition NNSW to not write the fee on the invoice and you'll be none the wiser and happier for it.Glad we fixed it together.
On another note we were told today that all 3 travelling clubs will be playing away in week 1 of phase 2 so no Newcastle based teams will be required to travel on short notice.No one is expecting games to be posted until mid week but it does give a small bit of clarity that there wont be any last minute long drives.Hope they have given those travelling clubs plenty of notice as well.
Getting rid of the 4 week pre-season cup could be a good idea. Clubs can organise friendly games before the start of the season if they want.
Phase 1 would finish by mid-May, with a strict rule about PPG in case games can't be completed.
This way, there would be plenty of time for a full 14 games phase 2 plus finals.
The way this season has been managed is utterly disappointing: they identified a problem, set rules to solve it in case it happened, and then ignored their own rules.
I don't understand why they mentioned "volunteer burnout", when PPG was actually the best way to avoid that?
Yeah f*ck it, those pesky regional teams can do the long drive at short notice. No doubt the promised 60/40 split for home/away regional team games will be another NNSW over promise under deliver BS again.
Last edited by Izzy; 06-06-2025 at 02:44 PM.
Yep, didn't read it. I knew I should have typed it slower.
A straw man argument is a logical fallacy that involves misrepresenting someone else's argument to make it easier to attack or refute.
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