Reebok can still gtfo - A-League Kits Thread

[howardyou]

Howard - see below and tell me if it is still bullshit?





http://www.asianfootballfeast.com/a-...brisbane-roar/



The national club identity policy is a farce as-is, but if the FFA are going to let basically every non-cro ethnic tie through then it is a disgrace. Double standards everywhere. Normal service has resumed from the FFA, after what I thought was a huge positive change when Gallop came in.

I agree. I wan't aware of the history of the Brisbane club being dutch and directly linked through those teams.
Does seem like double standards. Seems like the FFA policy is "It's okay if the country is from Western Europe".

[MFKS]

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/...7ys7ppq8al.pdf

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/...a164o95ot6xc9u

I am aware of that policy. How is the policy to be abolished when the FFA prevented the Knights from wearing the shirt by making up some rule that it had to be an existing sponsor for the NPL on the shirt to **** them over??

Pretty certain the FFA will once again tighten the rules next year to make sure they can't try to use some loop hole in future.


As for their legal action the club are taking haven't seen something so laughable since the NT quoted the Geneva Convention.

Melbourne Knights FC can confirm the following events in order to explain the absence of a confirmed major sponsor and their appearance on the front of the Westfield FFA Cup shirt as announced here.



After submitting the kits to FFA more than two weeks before the club’s FFA Cup match against Olympic FC, the governing body questioned three of our four kit sponsors on the basis of the National Club Identity Policy, namely Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club Inc., Australian Croatian Association Melbourne and Australian Croatian Association Geelong.



After communication between the Club and the FFA, the club demonstrated that FFA Cup major sponsor Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club Inc. is acceptable under The National Club Identity Policy (NCIP). The federation then released a memo on Thursday 24th July (five days before the match) stating that they would “only approve a Club’s Playing Strip as it appeared in their Member Federation 2014 league or cup competition, at the time of qualification to the Westfield FFA Cup 2014.”



The memo, which was sent to CEOs of the respective state governing bodies by head of the Hyundai A-League Damien de Bohun, said the late rule change was due to “the context of this approval process, consideration has been given to the cost and timing issues involved in producing replacement or alternate Playing Strips for the Westfield FFA Cup 2014.”



Melbourne Knights FC Club Secretary Melinda Cimera wrote to FFA when submitting the ‘league kits’, which the Club was coerced and pressured into; “The National Club Identity Policy and your enforcement of it to deny a Club valuable financial support clearly demonstrates the failure of your vision of an assimilated football community, which fundamentally denies the reality of the game in this country,” Ms Cimera said.



Following the match, Melbourne Knights FC Vice President Pave Jusup lodged an official complaint to the Human Rights Commission under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 regarding the National Club Identity Policy which was accepted by the Commission and has been referred to the FFA for justification to the Commission.



Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club Inc. President Ange Cimera also lodged an official complaint to the Human Rights Commission under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 regarding the attempted application of the National Club Identity Policy against Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club and the maneuvering by FFA to prevent the club from supporting the Melbourne Knights Football Club by way of sponsorship branding. The Commission accepted the complaint and referred the complaint to the FFA.



Both complaints have been referred to the FFA who were given 21 days in which to respond as of a few days ago.



Melbourne Knights FC intends to see out the process handled by the Human Rights Commission in the hope of a resolution.



Failing that, the Club has already retained legal representation and is ready to challenge the FFA’s National Club Identity Policy in the Federal Circuit Court.



Should that situation eventuate, Melbourne Knights Football Club will call an Extraordinary General Meeting of all members to give more detailed information about the situation.



In the meantime, the Club’s FFA Cup specific web store, run by our Apparel Partner Macron, is now online and is ready to take orders from tomorrow onwards. The FFA Cup kits are able to be branded to have your preferred number and surname printed on the back of the shirt as part of the price which will be activated tomorrow afternoon.

[WolfMan]

The Holland thing is bullshit. The Roar design isn't a national strip. It is an orange strip. There are plenty of others worldwide.
E.G. Blackpool, Barnet, Dundee utd, Wolves, Newport county and that is just from the UK.

Wolves wear Old Gold my friend, and don't you 'effin forget it! ;-)

[GazFish35]

Probably not.

Cro shirt happens to look like thier flag, roar kit happens to look like a big pile of orange.
Dutch flag ain't no orange innit?

Orange is the colour of the Dutch royal family.
There's no green and gold in our flag but they are clearly "Aussie" colours.


The fact that this change can even generate such debate against the policy shows how poorly thought out it was.
If it's about protecting the image of the game and stopping negative ethnic influences then make a policy based on certain behaviours, don't word the policy in way that means the eastern European backed clubs have no wiggle room to make changes unless your planning to enforce the same strictness on all clubs.

How can the FFA let the roar make these changes but then quash anything another club plans to do?

[plague]

Orange is the colour of the Dutch royal family.
There's no green and gold in our flag but they are clearly "Aussie" colours.


The fact that this change can even generate such debate against the policy shows how poorly thought out it was.
If it's about protecting the image of the game and stopping negative ethnic influences then make a policy based on certain behaviours, don't word the policy in way that means the eastern European backed clubs have no wiggle room to make changes unless your planning to enforce the same strictness on all clubs.

How can the FFA let the roar make these changes but then quash anything another club plans to do?

They should just start their own comp. Probably only cost them several million.
then they can wear whatever the **** they want.
Simple really.

[MFKS]

Orange is the colour of the Dutch royal family.
There's no green and gold in our flag but they are clearly "Aussie" colours.


The fact that this change can even generate such debate against the policy shows how poorly thought out it was.
If it's about protecting the image of the game and stopping negative ethnic influences then make a policy based on certain behaviours, don't word the policy in way that means the eastern European backed clubs have no wiggle room to make changes unless your planning to enforce the same strictness on all clubs.

How can the FFA let the roar make these changes but then quash anything another club plans to do?

What would the differing demographics of ethnicity of say the Roar membership be?? Reckon the 10k or so members they have they would be lucky to have 1% of them being Dutch Australian/Dutch

Compare that with say the membership base of Melbourne Knights.
Reckon the base of their support would be conservatively 80-90% who are Croatian Australian /Croatian.

I would say any issues coming from the Melbourne Knights pushing the ethnicity angle would be based on the ethnicity of the overwhelming majority of their support

I would also say that these issues in relation to Roar have **** all to do with the ethnicity of their support as the Dutch are so far in the minority they are irrelevant

[pv4]

But how come a club of Dutch heritage is cool to pay homage to its history yet one of Croatian heritage can't?

[MFKS]

But how come a club of Dutch heritage is cool to pay homage to its history yet one of Croatian heritage can't?

Because the Croatian club is a shit stirring and looking for an argument.

[plague]

But how come a club of Dutch heritage is cool to pay homage to its history yet one of Croatian heritage can't?

But they can can't they? Just not in the way they would prefer.

[GazFish35]

What would the differing demographics of ethnicity of say the Roar membership be?? Reckon the 10k or so members they have they would be lucky to have 1% of them being Dutch Australian/Dutch

Compare that with say the membership base of Melbourne Knights.
Reckon the base of their support would be conservatively 80-90% who are Croatian Australian /Croatian.

I would say any issues coming from the Melbourne Knights pushing the ethnicity angle would be based on the ethnicity of the overwhelming majority of their support

I would also say that these issues in relation to Roar have **** all to do with the ethnicity of their support as the Dutch are so far in the minority they are irrelevant

Does the club identity policy mention anything to do with the ethnic make up of the club's membership? Or is it yet another "one size fits all" policy the FFA are rolling out.

If a policy is indeed a policy surely it needs to uniformly enforced. Brisbane have Dutch links, tenuous maybe, but they are there. Unless the policy dictates "levels of ethnicity" before the policy applies to your club then the policy needs to be applied to the roar in the same way as the knights or South Melbourne or magic or west wallsend.

It's not ethnicity that's the issue - it's ****wits - target anti-social behaviours, not ethnicity.

[MFKS]

Does the club identity policy mention anything to do with the ethnic make up of the club's membership? Or is it yet another "one size fits all" policy the FFA are rolling out.

If a policy is indeed a policy surely it needs to uniformly enforced. Brisbane have Dutch links, tenuous maybe, but they are there. Unless the policy dictates "levels of ethnicity" before the policy applies to your club then the policy needs to be applied to the roar in the same way as the knights or South Melbourne or magic or west wallsend.

It's not ethnicity that's the issue - it's ****wits - target anti-social behaviours, not ethnicity.

The policy doesn't target ethnicity. The FFA have spent the last 9 years keeping ethnicity out of the game.

I think you will find the only ones wishing to bring ethnicity into the football sphere again is Melbourne Knights.


Ethnicity has nothing to do with football. The FFA are well within their rights to keep it out of the game. The condemnation from people should be directed squarely at the Knights who wish to use the football club to celebrate Croatian Nationalistic values

[Pico]

Does the club identity policy mention anything to do with the ethnic make up of the club's membership? Or is it yet another "one size fits all" policy the FFA are rolling out.

If a policy is indeed a policy surely it needs to uniformly enforced. Brisbane have Dutch links, tenuous maybe, but they are there. Unless the policy dictates "levels of ethnicity" before the policy applies to your club then the policy needs to be applied to the roar in the same way as the knights or South Melbourne or magic or west wallsend.

It's not ethnicity that's the issue - it's ****wits - target anti-social behaviours, not ethnicity.

Could it be as simple as the policy does not apply to HAL teams as they are franchise businesses not social/member sporting clubs.

It should also be noted that at no point in the roar press release does it claim any Dutch origins for the decisions, at no point on their website do they lay claim to the lions clubs heritage, in fact they specifically claim that they were formed in 2005. The irony is that its only rival fans who insist that the roar are the lions and hence have to forever take forward their baggage.

[pv4]

But they can can't they? Just not in the way they would prefer.

Just not in the way that other ethnicities can.

Could it be as simple as the policy does not apply to HAL teams as they are franchise businesses not social/member sporting clubs.

It should also be noted that at no point in the roar press release does it claim any Dutch origins for the decisions, at no point on their website do they lay claim to the lions clubs heritage, in fact they specifically claim that they were formed in 2005. The irony is that its only rival fans who insist that the roar are the lions and hence have to forever take forward their baggage.

But said HAL franchises play in a professional comp (FFA Cup) alongside those other clubs.

I think you're focusing too much on the example of the Roar here. As Gaz said, the fact that these links and arguments can be so "easily" made shows the policy for what it is.

at MFAW who thinks MK are the only ethnic club, and Croatia the only ethnic nation, wanting in on the national scene.

MFAW - you may laugh at the legal case MK are putting together but what they have that the NT/Geneva convention didn't have was acceptance of their issue already, as seen in what you posted:

Melbourne Knights FC Vice President Pave Jusup lodged an official complaint to the Human Rights Commission under the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 regarding the National Club Identity Policy which was accepted by the Commission and has been referred to the FFA for justification to the Commission.

MK led the charge for the bs that happened regarding the NPLV, and won. It wasn't solely their issue, but they were the face of the fight. The same is happening here - I think you'll find many other ethnic clubs of varying ethnic bases will rally behind the Knights and the FFA will be deemed to be racist, will be forced to remove the NCIP, and clubs will be free to represent their ethnicity how they choose.

The issue from here is when your South Melbournes etc come through with legitimate, undeniable bids to expand the HAL, the FFA will hold a grudge against them and choose not to include them. But that's nothing new - they've been doing that since HAL inception.

The other issue is they target ethnics because they generalized that ethnics = anti-social behaviour. Which we all know isn't the case, because we know that dickheadry = anti-social behaviour. The fact that the FFA have gone and created this sh*tstorm tells me that when the NCIP is abolished, there will be backlash for sure.

I eagerly anticipate listening in on the stream of the next SU58 FFA Cup game

[GazFish35]

The policy doesn't target ethnicity.

What does it target then? The policy says ...... "provided that these components do not carry any ethnic, national, political, racial or religious connotations either in isolation or combination"


I can see how the knights breached the policy, no argument, but I can also see how a white prancing lion on an all orange badge breaches the policy too.

That's the issue, the policy can't be enforced fairly.

[MFKS]

What does it target then? The policy says ...... "provided that these components do not carry any ethnic, national, political, racial or religious connotations either in isolation or combination"


I can see how the knights breached the policy, no argument, but I can also see how a white prancing lion on an all orange badge breaches the policy too.

That's the issue, the policy can't be enforced fairly.

The policy targets keeping ethnicity and Football as two separate entities.


Just like the old chestnut sports and politics shouldn't mix etc



To me the Roar issue is drawing a rather long bow to claim the ethnic line.

Orange has been a key component of their image since they ditched that horrid maroon orange white farce they originally had when the HAL started.

The Lion has always been a part of their image since day 1 of the HAL.

To claim this evolution of their image it is ethnically aligned is drawing a really long bow when these elements have been a key part of their image for a while now

[MFKS]

at MFAW who thinks MK are the only ethnic club, and Croatia the only ethnic nation, wanting in on the national scene.


MFAW - you may laugh at the legal case MK are putting together but what they have that the NT/Geneva convention didn't have was acceptance of their issue already, as seen in what you posted:



MK led the charge for the bs that happened regarding the NPLV, and won. It wasn't solely their issue, but they were the face of the fight. The same is happening here - I think you'll find many other ethnic clubs of varying ethnic bases will rally behind the Knights and the FFA will be deemed to be racist, will be forced to remove the NCIP, and clubs will be free to represent their ethnicity how they choose.

The issue from here is when your South Melbournes etc come through with legitimate, undeniable bids to expand the HAL, the FFA will hold a grudge against them and choose not to include them. But that's nothing new - they've been doing that since HAL inception.

The other issue is they target ethnics because they generalized that ethnics = anti-social behaviour. Which we all know isn't the case, because we know that dickheadry = anti-social behaviour. The fact that the FFA have gone and created this sh*tstorm tells me that when the NCIP is abolished, there will be backlash for sure.

I eagerly anticipate listening in on the stream of the next SU58 FFA Cup game

Just because the humans rights panel have accepted the claims they have presented doesn't mean they are ANY certainties to win their case. Their are two sides to every argument and this panel has heard one side. It is now up to the FFA to respond and put forward their position.

As for your claims they are targeting ethnics.

Can someone explain to me why a football club in a multicultural country needs to be revolve around and identify as one particular ethnic group at the expense of the 200 or so other nationalities that form this country??


A forward thinking club would be looking to expand and diversify its base to include all peoples yet you have this particularly club that wishes to actually try and make itself more of an ethnically revolved entity than what it currently is.


As for MK's efforts to get changes to the NPL stopped well some of those changes have since gone through in other states without issues. Being the ring leader to harness the fears of change to garner support is more of a reflection of their attitude to the game in this country. Considering their club would probably be strong enough and big enough to adapt and prosper under the changes what exactly are their motivations to prevent something that is going to provide their club with opportunities to prosper??

[pv4]

FTR I fail to see how MK breached the policy with their FFA Cup kits. In history, Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club have contributed more to MK, and football in Australia, then I daresay any other sponsor featured on an FFA Cup kit.

As MFAW's post showed, the sponsor was accepted and approved as a legitimate sponsor:

After communication between the Club and the FFA, the club demonstrated that FFA Cup major sponsor Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club Inc. is acceptable under The National Club Identity Policy (NCIP). The federation then released a memo on Thursday 24th July (five days before the match) stating that they would “only approve a Club’s Playing Strip as it appeared in their Member Federation 2014 league or cup competition, at the time of qualification to the Westfield FFA Cup 2014.”

And the note from the NCIP on the issue (clause 4):

A Club must not use, advertise or promote (or permit any other person or entity to use, advertise or promote) any ethnic, racial, religious or political identifiers in connection or association with the Club. The prohibition in this clause 4 does not apply to the legitimate promotion of a Club Sponsor or the use of a name, logo or emblem that has been approved in accordance with clause 3.

So Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club was approved to be a legitimate sponsor, but the reason the FFA originally gave for not allowing MK to have them on their kits was they wouldn't allow new kits, and new sponsors, for "any" team for the FFA Cup (but let's ignore the fact that Brisbane Strikers had a new kit with new sponsors for it, shall we FFA?).

Let's think about this for a second though - the FFA originally told MK that no new sponsors would be allowed on kits for the Cup. Imagine you're Broadmeadow Magic, you go to, for example, Centennial Coal and say "hey, we're on the telly box next week for the FFA Cup. Sponsor us" and Centennial Coal say "wow, that exposure. We will give you $10k to put our logo on your jersey". Sounds like the ideal situation, right? An extra sponsorship for a one-off game, you can use those funds to hire caterers or maybe invest back into facilities or grassroots or whatever. And the FFA claim that it is not allowed, and will be prevented from happening? You wot m8? That actually sounds like the opposite of what the FFA would want to happen. If that hypothetical sponsorship thing happened, the FFA should be doing fxxxing backflips that they've created something from nothing (the cup) and the game is growing because of it.

So then after all that, the FFA a week or two later said "nah, it was the NCIP that stopped MK from doing it".

So tl;dr - FFA approve sponsor, say it passes the NCIP. FFA deny MK to use sponsor, say not allowed new kits and sponsors even though other teams had new kits and sponsors. FFA then said breached NCIP. Horsesh*t the lot of it.

[pv4]

TIL: MFAW wants to change the name of ChinaTown to AustraliaTown

[MFKS]

FTR I fail to see how MK breached the policy with their FFA Cup kits. In history, Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club have contributed more to MK, and football in Australia, then I daresay any other sponsor featured on an FFA Cup kit.

As MFAW's post showed, the sponsor was accepted and approved as a legitimate sponsor:



And the note from the NCIP on the issue (clause 4):



So Melbourne Croatia Soccer Club was approved to be a legitimate sponsor, but the reason the FFA originally gave for not allowing MK to have them on their kits was they wouldn't allow new kits, and new sponsors, for "any" team for the FFA Cup (but let's ignore the fact that Brisbane Strikers had a new kit with new sponsors for it, shall we FFA?).

Let's think about this for a second though - the FFA originally told MK that no new sponsors would be allowed on kits for the Cup. Imagine you're Broadmeadow Magic, you go to, for example, Centennial Coal and say "hey, we're on the telly box next week for the FFA Cup. Sponsor us" and Centennial Coal say "wow, that exposure. We will give you $10k to put our logo on your jersey". Sounds like the ideal situation, right? An extra sponsorship for a one-off game, you can use those funds to hire caterers or maybe invest back into facilities or grassroots or whatever. And the FFA claim that it is not allowed, and will be prevented from happening? You wot m8? That actually sounds like the opposite of what the FFA would want to happen. If that hypothetical sponsorship thing happened, the FFA should be doing fxxxing backflips that they've created something from nothing (the cup) and the game is growing because of it.

So then after all that, the FFA a week or two later said "nah, it was the NCIP that stopped MK from doing it".

So tl;dr - FFA approve sponsor, say it passes the NCIP. FFA deny MK to use sponsor, say not allowed new kits and sponsors even though other teams had new kits and sponsors. FFA then said breached NCIP. Horsesh*t the lot of it.

FFA run the game in this country. It is their prerogative to keep all matters of race religion etc completely out of the game. Their prerogative and rightfully so.

The change to the landscape and perception of this code has changed drastically thanks to the FFA by removing the ethnic lines it was once run upon. MK wish to go back to this way of being and wish to be as disruptive influence due to feeling wronged at the changes.

Very little stopping the MK from being non affiliated with the FFA ie join a church league or set up their own league where they have nothing to do with FFA at all and can be as racially orientated as they like.


You talk about their contribution to the game in this country but lets not forget the negative influence they had to hold the game back for 30 years whilst they ran their own race and did things their way and refused to broaden their club which was proved an epic failure.

[GazFish35]

Can someone explain to me why a football club in a multicultural country needs to be revolve around and identify as one particular ethnic group at the expense of the 200 or so other nationalities that form this country??

A forward thinking club would be looking to expand and diversify its base to include all peoples yet you have this particularly club that wishes to actually try and make itself more of an ethnically revolved entity than what it currently is.

you are so right. migrant groups shouldnt be allowed to gather under a common guise and support each other. if they do, once the rest of us reckon theyve had long enough to get used to living in a new country they should all forget their ancestory and fully assimilate then we can all be like each other and live in mono-cultural world.

if a club wants to saty insular and not prosper, tan that should be their choice.

if they wish to allow their fans to be violent dickheaeds, target that, not the clubs non-anglo roots