Everything about this Adam Goodes stuff is bad and sad.
Once again it just shows that no one wants to talk about racism, they only want to talk about other people talking about racism.
Everything about this Adam Goodes stuff is bad and sad.
Once again it just shows that no one wants to talk about racism, they only want to talk about other people talking about racism.
Who cares if they are a good or bad person?Originally Posted by The Dunster
That's like saying only polite women can reasonably expect not to be raped.
Very good point and I agree. But that's not what I meant.
What I meant by a good person is that the disrespect shown towards Goodes has nothing to do with his character or behaviour on or off the field.
The booing in this case is blatantly racist. If Goodes played not within the spirit of the game, disrespected people, or indeed acted like a lot of Rugby League players seem to off field - then I could understand him being booed by crowds.
Last edited by The Dunster; 30-07-2015 at 01:56 PM.
I can see points made on both sides of the debate yet I don't think any of it is correct.
it's disgraceful. i enjoy a good boo, whether it be matthew breeze, phil stubbins, every knights game, SD, the list goes on - but this is way too far.
the nonsense about he's a dirty player and he "stages for free kicks" doesn't wash. he's had 11 frees on him this year, nowhere near the top of the list, and the booing is worse than ever.
lets have a look - the man got called an ape, and somehow he is racist for drawing attention to it. if it was my kid i'd have clipped them round the ear and marched them down to the fence to apologise to the bloke - but now the girl's a martyr for jones, bolt and devine? jeeeeeezus this country is retarded sometimes.
then a bunch of crybabies in the carlton cheersquad can't handle a dance aimed at them in indigenous round - fmd. grow up you man children. cop it sweet and move on with your lives. people telling him to go back to the zoo...and then saying it's not racist, come on.
australia can't handle the fact that aboriginal people have been treated shockingly for the past 200 years, and now it's in their face thanks to adam goodes, they can't handle it and are looking for any excuse to deny there is a problem.
it's white people telling black people when they are allowed to be offended, and white people blindly ignoring that a great deal of the booing has to do with a shitstorm kicked up over aboriginal issues they refuse to notice exist. not free kicks.
and fer chrissakes - when the notoriously conservative AFL says you're racist, you probably are.
Example ?
http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/sport/...810d585bc8.htm
sums it up well.
all goodes has done is stood up for his rights to be treated with dignity and respect and that his culture recieves the same...... sadly that makes some in this country uncomfortable.
anyone who genuineky doesnt understand why aboriginal australia is still hurting take the time to watch Utopia by John Pilger. It's an eyeopener for some.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfhXIb0W1IU
Last edited by GazFish35; 30-07-2015 at 02:32 PM.
I'd say the labelling of 'everyone' who boos are racists.
I reackon there's a good percentage of people booing just because they are told not to boo.
Childish? yes. Bullying? Yes. Racist? Nah.
On the counter, if Goodes 'didn't call out that girl' then we wouldn't have a problem. Rubbish.
Goodes did exactly what we all in society should do, and that's call them out and shame them (edit: and hopefully educate them). The fact she had a poor mother and the cops/security were fairly heavy handed isn't Goodes' fault. Not at all.
The fact that Rebecca Wilson is on one side and Andrew Bolt/Miranda Divine are on the other means we are all losers.
Last edited by plague; 30-07-2015 at 02:48 PM.
Also, from memory didn't another Australian of the Year winner go in pretty hard on race back in the day?
Can't be 100% but thought it was someone a couple of years before Goodes. Anyway I doubt they are getting boo'd in their workplace every day.
On another point.
Anthony Mundine has been front and centre of indigenous issues for years and you'd have to say a LOT of people hate his guts but I don't remember anyone booing him being accused of being a racist. That's where this whole grey area exists.
For the record aside from the boxing sideshow persona he puts on to sell tickets I actually like Mundine and what he stands for.
I think it's because Anthony Mundine is not seen as a serious threat to racist Australian's. Adam Goodes though is a different story.
When Branch Rickey recruited Jackie Robinson for the Dodgers he did so because he was a wonderful athlete and indeed was the type of person many people would aspire to be. There were better baseballers out there [Paige and Gibson] but they were never an option because they could be stereotyped [ though through no fault of their own].
Goodes like Robinson avoids the racist stereotype and for that reason he's a serious threat to the racists.
Mundine [ Who I admire and understand is nothing like the character he portrays for the media] tends to get out of his depth on various issues and can be [ and indeed has been] used to enforce a sterotype that racist Australia are comfortable with.
Last edited by The Dunster; 30-07-2015 at 03:54 PM.
well said.
it is so hard to watch all of the so-called experts in the media come out and give their opinion on the whole thing. a bunch of middle-aged white men who just say things like "the best thing for goodes to do would be to ignore it" like it's something we should accept.
idiots who think it's ok for people to boo just because a lot of people are only doing it because they've been fed a false narrative of goodes being a dirty player or a cheat, or hates white people. they don't want to accept that it all started because of him proudly representing his people by doing that war dance and other people joining in is fueling people who are being racist.
too many australians are ignorant about this issue or just choose not to get involved. we should nuke the place from orbit.
peter fitzsimmons wrote a good article on it this morning. i always thought he was a bit of a kook because of his articles on football but he's done some good work lately.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/the-fitz...0150730-gin6zm
Although Fitzsimmons once again states the blindingly obvious and reignites his hate for Jones that stretches back decades, I still don't conpletely agree with the notion that 'we' (being 'white people') are upset because an indigenous bloke stood up for himself.
It's been going on for decades and celebrated accordingly from an overwhelming percentage of the population.
No one has copped this level of backlash.
Oh and for the record I'm just spitballing here. The ability for me to enter any sort of real debate on this is pointless as I've never called anyone an 'ape' nor have I ever been called an 'ape'.
For me to even begin to understand how that feels would be disingenuous.
My point has always been that everyone seems to deal with these things differently yet the loudest voices in this seem to want to form a neat line down the middle of the debate with a side that is 'right' and a side that is 'wrong'.
You must hate the Ayn Rand types almost as much as I do plague.
plus goodesy's a fkn legend
See I find this interesting.
Mundine is every bit the model sportsman (aside from the WWE antics) non drinker, family man, does a LOT of charity work yet we just dismiss him for some unknown reason.
And Craig Foster has weighed in (can a supernerdynerd post link pls).
He made a very good point in that if Goodes had done the war dance playing football, we'd pretty much all think it was awesome and we as a fanbase are the most passionate out of all the sports (#fanmade).
I'd say some people just hate athletes showing any level of individuality and flair outside of the skills of the game.
Go back and look at Jason Akermanis now THAT bloke copped some grief.
just remember what you're actually up against when you try and deal with this issue
before the internet these people existed in mostly silent, non-contactable stupidity
Ok I don't know who Ayn Rand is but I kind of hate everyone in my own weird way so probably yeah.
Enjoying reading everyone's take on this. Very interesting.
The issue I have is the holus bolus (sp?) approach, i.e all booers of Goodes are inherently racist.
If the boos are pre or post a racial slur or undertone, those booers are racist. Otherwise, the rest of the boo birds re doing and have done little to no wrong as far as I can see.
Get serious about racism. Start dishing out bans to backwards fans and players who deem it their right to denigrate those that aren't the same as them.
AFL and all sporting bodies have a chance to act in a manner reflective of the ugliness that fuels racism
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