The longer the rot is allowed to set in and make home, the harder it is to shake.
Years of sub-par performances and no light at the end of the tunnel.
As i write this, FS just showed Stubbins interview snippets. Definitely made some comments alluding to problems with management/"people higher up".
Good post.Originally Posted by redwah
As for the financial clout.
We are in a salary capped league. Our financial clout really means **** all.
Being well organised disciplined having a great team spirit /club culture and hard work will take you a long way in this comp. Hell one team we won't mention their name are reasonably successful in recent years having this despite constantly losing good players and hemorrhaging money.
We on the other hand have no plan and NFI on much at all.
If you honestly believe that financial clout means nothing then you are more deluded than I thought. Have a look at some of the squads assembled and the players some teams seem to have no problem attracting. We struggle to compete with other clubs despite this being a fantastic place to live.
Yeah I agree with the "club culture" bit and things like sacking your manager at the season launch isnt a great look. Rehiring a manager that shafted the club for another job does not instill confidence in the managments decision making process either. Your said club seems built on continuity and trust.....not much of that when the jets are involved.
MFKS is right on this one. Money doesn't mean much in this league. The salary cap means that any team can be competitive. Those other bags of d#$%s seem to do well every year with measly crowds, no funds and no one from the FFA giving a crap about them.
Also, since when is Newcastle as good a place to live as Melbourne, Brisbane or even Sydney if you're a professional footballer? We know it's great because we live here and know it's secrets but try convincing a Footballer moving to the EPL to go live in Cardiff or London and see where they would prefer to live?
I disagree about the money. It does have an impact in this league.
While accepting you have a salary cap, if you pay marquees who fall outside of the cap, you therefore have a greater average spend for the remaining players that fall under the cap.
In addition, you can spend more on attracting a better quality coach and staff, in addition to better paid administrators behind the scenes that can set the club up for success. You can also afford better facilities for your training.
You can have the anomalies like the Gypos who out perform their financial clout, but look at the clubs like Victory and Sydney - well backed, can attract better coaches, better facilities and attracting the bigger names. Yes, they have the lure and appeal of a capital city, but the money doesn't hurt either.
The Championship Chronicles - The Jetstream's review of the 2007/08 season. www.newcastlefootball.net/chronicles
What financial Clout gets you:
- Ability to pay for higher quality players (Marquee, Junior Marquee, Australian Marquee, +3 U21 players, Max amount of cap)
- Ability to higher a decent ****ing manager
- Ability to have a full staff of coaches, physios, axillary training staff.
- Shorter recovery periods for injuries due to paying for decent treatment
- Ability to decrease the quality of opposition teams by taking best talent.
Go jetties
Your 5th point is a great one. Look at what Victory have done to deny the Roar a hatful of goals this season.
What help would more money do with our board making decisions on who to hire? We had money last season and how much money did we spend on youth development or some new facilities for the physio's and doctors? More money wouldn't help us at all.
We need better players/staff to succeed but we need to be successful in order to attract them here! So, we need to do more with what we've got before we start using money as an excuse. The fact that Victory and Sydney have more money than us isn't the reason they are better than us this year is it? How much good has Sydney's money been for the last couple of seasons? They had a shitty board and all the money they spent didn't win them any trophies... They sorted out their board, hired a good coach with a clear view of what they wanted to do and now they are up the top of the table.
Sydney have more coin than most but are doing better without the most expensive player in A-League history and they signed a coach who lives in a caravan.
We don't need money, we need a ****ing clue.
Arnie is on a mil a season. And his coaching staff he brought along are on a dime too.
Believe me, Sydney needed money to get the setup they now have.
OK
Sydney have had the same board for the last few years.
Still lives in a caravan and has never won anything.
Please....money nothing to do with it....you are kidding. Salary cap or not money is everything in professional sport. If you can pay for better quality anything it shows. I'm pretty sure if we could afford a Barcelona youth coach like adelaide we get him over some expat pom who hasnt had much experience in higher levels or systems. We wouldn't have to hire a ground from the uni to train on, we'd have our own training facility. We wouldn't have to worry about crusty demons or monster trucks or Rugby league teams damaging the pitch. Money talks....we have none so we struggle to compete.
And i personally wouldnt go to either....its the red half of Liverpool or nothing.
You might be surprised to learn that there are lower league games on at Anfield all the time.
To those who say money is imperative in this League
Fact is for the last 3-4 years under Tinkler we have had the luxury of a Marquee and have been able to be reasonably well funded and in a lot of regards have been in a better position to prosper than other clubs in big cities. Sure this year costs are being cut but for the last 3-4 years we have had the opportunity to make every post a winner and sign whoever we liked
We have not got anywhere
All the money and opportunity Tinkler provided to us has been frittered away by the incompetence of those in charge of making the decisions.
As we have the lacking components of good admin> well organised >well coached> good culture > never say die attitude etc missing we have achieved what we have.
Mate if you think Tinkler put in bucket fulls you are kidding yourself....nearly as much as you do about Middleby having any real say in how said cash is spent.
The fact that heskey came here was good though if we could afford better scouting we could get a better marquee, if we could afford more wages we could have a better international marquee and a better Australian marquee thus improving the squad and hopefully the results leading to an improved reputation and better possibilities to sign better quality players....it all flows from money.
There was nothing wrong with the level of funds provided for a Marquee. Who else has been outspending us other than Smurfs the last few years for Marquee?? No one. The other clubs have just got better value from theirs.
Problem lies with the coaching scouting and management positions and the poor decisions they make. The decision to sign Heskey and then play the way GVE had us and not to Heskeys strength defies logic.
The decision to sign Culina was not a bad one as such. If we were getting the bloke who had been a Socceroos and Eredivse stalwart and not the injury riddled bloke we got. Unfortunately the brains of our club did not check that a bloke who was recently injured was fit to play before signing him.
Money is not required to be successful in this league at all. Brisbane have won 3 of the last 4 comps and aren't wealthy
You keep saying Middleby is the issue and you want a competent CEO, could it be that Tinks didn't pay what was needed there.
I'd argue that despite the onfield spending (marquee, etc), spending behind the scenes has been minimal. This is where we fall behind the big clubs. We always seem to be an injury prone club, are our strength and conditioning coaching staff any good, or were they the cheap option.
Was Stubbins the best we could get on the budget given?
What about the staff in the office. Do we have all the roles that we need in the club to connect with the community, to attract sponsors/investors and to run the club?
Could all those off field issues you keep raising be directly related to the amount of money Tinks/HSG wanted to spend to fill the positions?
Club funding and success runs much deeper than the onfield spending.
anyone who doesn't think money has a lot to do with success in professional sport is pretty dumb tbh
not that mfks actually believes what he's typing, it's just the unpopular opinion he's chosen to champion for the day
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