Except you didn't answer the question.
What part of being the Prime Minister has he 'struggled' with?
Remembering what the job of the PM actually is and the situation he was in when he inherited* it.
*and yes I mean when he knifed the incumbent.
Except you didn't answer the question.
What part of being the Prime Minister has he 'struggled' with?
Remembering what the job of the PM actually is and the situation he was in when he inherited* it.
*and yes I mean when he knifed the incumbent.
Policy
Public perception
Election Campaign
Leadership
It is easy to say he has achieved nothing as it is nigh on impossible to find a thing he has done well at
If he had half a brain he called an election 2 months after getting the gig.
He would have walked it
He didn't and ****ed every thing up for his party
Turnbulls issue is he is being held hostage by the RWNJ's of the liberals ie your Bernardi's, Christensen's, etc who won't let him push a more centrist agenda for policy direction. They never wanted him in the top job because Abbott was their boy and by hook or by crook they want him back.
LNP is going through exactly what Labor did with Gillard & Rudd, specific sections of their support base backing their pin up boys until the bitter end.
Unless Turnbull can get the entire party in line, he will get rolled. And then Abbott will return and the LNP will get smashed in the next election without Labor having to do a thing. All they will need do is play that 2014 interview Tones did the night before the polls where he said "No cuts no health, education, ABC or SBS". And we all know how that turned out.
I can see a Liberal party split happening down the line unless the right wing pull their heads in for the good of their party.
Entertaining for most of the general public to watch, especially when you remember how smug they all were two years ago watching Labor rip itself apart while trumpeting "That will never happen with us etc etc"
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Policy? Which policy did he stuff up on?Originally Posted by MFKS
Because the shit that was clogging the joint up was the same measures that were there before he got in the job.
The DD trigger that he used was an attempt to unblock the drain. He was hampered by senators outwardly saying "until you fix the issue I want then I'm voting everything down". Which is of course NOT the way the system should work (but hilariously of course that person who was causing the calamity got reelected so go figure).
So is it not 'leadership' that he attempted to change a fractured system?
Public perception, well geez, the hippies all loved him because he wasn't Abbott but they were never going to vote for him.
The media running the narrative always have their own favourites. Jones and Oakes having a whinge about Turnbull was all time considering they carried the water for Abbott and Rudd so hard. Of course they were going to be sad.
As with Dunster I too would be fascinated by the % of primary vote he (and shorten) collected because I'd be surprised if it's not bang on the average over the last 50 years.
Again, the campaign is what it is. The media bitched because he didn't do many interviews but that's self interest. He went for a conservative approach, not fire and brimstone or a party hat and clown shoes. Lot of people out there acting that he's done such a shut job but not really pinpointing any real faults.
Just a lot of personal issues which is more on them than it is the PM.
Anyway though. Onto the next bloke then.
Labor's primary vote is way down on previous elections, apparently their second lowest since ww2. Reason they picked up so many seats was preference flows due to the massive swings to the minor parties.
Would be nice if the big two recognised that a significant portion of the electorate can't stand either of them, hence the swing away from them in the last few elections. A good reason for the rise of the feral senate imo is the protest vote to keep the two major parties in line.
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Oh and btw - thanks a bunch Queensland.
You utter c*nts
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...03-gpxc2n.html
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Interesting.
Although your second point kind of illustrates how pointless the protest vote is because it flows back to the big 2 anyway.
Which we can argue the merits of that system all we like but if we accept it for the lower house we can't hate on it bringing Hanson back into the frame.
The fact that someone was refusing to vote the way the Liberal party wanted is not a case of the system not working at all
It is democracy working at its finest.
That person was elected to represent people on the platform of commitment to pursue certain values and ideals.
When they find themselves in a position of influence it is there right to pursue their goals
They were elected to do this. It is the combined efforts of political parties voting on mass for certain things whether the individual agree with the decision or not which circumvent this democracy the rest of the time.
If he wants to change a fractured system then he should put the Republic question on the agenda again and **** the Senate off
The current systems flaws are there for all to see in the last few elections
We go to just the HOR and let the government run the country and we don't have these problems
The system is already ****ed
On another note
Also anyone who wants to knock Pauline Xenophon etc neglect to accept democracy at work
These people run on things that people in this country identify with whether you agree with their views or not
These people are entitled to be represented
Nope.
You are completely wrong in this.
Wrong.
Absolutely wrong.
This is not how the system works.
Each representative is there to vote on the legislation put before them.
To deny a vote on the basis of another non related issue is an abuse of power.
Learn the system.
Again, you are wrong.
lol at her reaction to the 'Halal pack' comment last night.Oh and btw - thanks a bunch Queensland.
You utter c*nts
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...03-gpxc2n.html
Wonder what her stance is on Kosher foods?
PS All Pauline represents is peoples inner bigot...or the outer one.
Guess dumb phucks need their representatives too.
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Yep so all politicians vote accordingly with how they feel about legislation and never vote on party lines even if they personally disagree with the parties policy??
Ok
Politics is power buddy. When you are Xenophon or Lambie or Windsor or Oakshott etc the cards have been dealt and you have power you use it.
You use it to negotiate what you want.
Every pollie their is elected to get the best deal for their voters.
You rub my back I rub yours etc
Six elections (that's all the AEC website has):
Last edited by Couscous; 03-07-2016 at 10:14 PM. Reason: Six, not seven
Not quite.
2001 36.0%
2004 35.7%
2007 34.8%
2010 35.9%
2013 31.4%
2016 33.6%
again.
you're wrong.
you're not only wrong but you're doing that thing where you don't even read the post before mashing your face against the keyboard in order to get out a hot take.
the system is not designed to work that way.
the fact that pollies use their power to distort it doesn't make it right, and it isn't what I'm saying.
you might want to remember this next time you see a football team park the bus or play long ball football.
i mean the rules re the rules right, you should celebrate the fact teams twist it to their advantage right?
except, yanno, you don't do you?
stop telling on yourself.
Do the system is fundamentally flawed is that your point??
Because your original point about the rogue politicians the Liberals have to negotiate with to get legislation through is no different to the Government parties voting on part lines
Basically the lot of them are working against how the system is designed
The system isn't broken.
If you are trying to pass a supply bill, then that bill and only that bill should be debated and voted on.
You don't use the threat of not passing a supply bill to get money for submarines.
You table a seperate bill to deal with submarines.
Voting along party lines is slightly different because a party's position on an issue should be clearly defined before voting.
changing tact after you're in the room is the dick move, and that's what happened with these senators.
There's a difference.
So your saying that Xenophon seeing as he has found himself in a position of influence is wrong to take advantage of it and get as much as he can for his constituents and would rather he just sat back and watched the clock tick over until he is eligible for his Government perks whilst doing nothing to better the lives of his fellow countrymen??
Ok
Didn't realise he was voted in just to be a stooge and rubber stamp the government's legislation
Can we ignore all this shit for a moment and focus on the important stuff?
Like Laurie Oakes doing Sportsbet over.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...03-gpxhr0.html
What a legend.
I think Furns may have been referring to the two party preferred vote. Easily mixed up for most of us - including myself.
Last edited by The Dunster; 04-07-2016 at 10:27 AM.
What a champion!
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