2017/18 Squad Thread

[Jeterpool]

Some people around here will never be happy..

It makes me unhappy you think that way, Bon.

[StannyCFCJET]

Good Signing IMO Knows how to defend and can actually tackle without getting sent off. Will help defend set pieces as well.

[borat]

Sure, good options.

Especially Ansell.

However, no current Socceroo would come here.
Ansell is probably looking for an Asia/Euro deal after finishing up with Victory.

It's one thing to say they're available as options, but REALISTIC options, they are not.[\quote]

You have to be trolling. None current socceroos and even NTS is a former socceroo. All are just as likely to come to the Jets if we went for them, bar Spiranovic,

They wouldn't take the same coin as NTS, and we can't offer more, in our current situation.

If Boogs was gone, it'd be another story, and we could throw more at them.

You have got to be trolling. There are plenty of CB options available, and none are current Socceroos.

Why in gods name you think "in our current situation" we aren't offering NTS much is baffling. I would suggest an salary up with Kokko and Boogs is most likely.


2009-2012 Signed by Culina at the Jets on 250k a season. Had a year left on his contract but was moved on by GVE and took a payout to take a foundation spot at WSW


One of the Jets’ highest earners on about $250,000 a season, Topor-Stanley’s exit continued a major clean out of senior players.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/205134/reluctant-topor-stanley-goes-around-with-west-sydney/

2012-2016 Wanderers foundation player 2 year deal and extended for a 2nd 2 year deal. Was captain and still under contract when released to join Hatta Club in the UAE.


Topor-Stanley was one of the highest earners beneath the salary cap at the Wanderers
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/western-sydney-wanderers/why-western-sydney-wanderers-broke-a-club-rule-to-sell-nikolai-toporstanley-20161013-gs1sfa.html

2016-2017 Realeased by Wanderers from final year on contact and joined Hatta Club on a 1 + 1 year deal with


Popovic publicly gave his blessing for the defender to leave early to sign a lucrative contract with Hatta
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/western-sydney-wanderers/why-western-sydney-wanderers-broke-a-club-rule-to-sell-nikolai-toporstanley-20161013-gs1sfa.html

You know I don't know exactly what NTS salary is. But the chances that NTS suddenly decided to take anything less than 250-200k after 6 years on the gravy train is not realistic imo. He could have taken any number of lucrative deals, if not in the gulf then Thailand/Malaysia/Singapore etc.

[plague]

Some people around here will never be happy..

Signings like this make me deliriously happy.

[Frodo]

Let's just be happy the CEO didn't bring his mate Hutcho out of retirement to well and truly Eff' the club.



I will say though, this has been a pretty large cleanout from the start of last season to where we are now. Which many have been asking for over the last season or two. Hopefully we made better decisions with contracts this time round, but i'm not confident.

[The Camel]

Sure, good options.

Especially Ansell.

However, no current Socceroo would come here.
Ansell is probably looking for an Asia/Euro deal after finishing up with Victory.

It's one thing to say they're available as options, but REALISTIC options, they are not.

They wouldn't take the same coin as NTS, and we can't offer more, in our current situation.

If Boogs was gone, it'd be another story, and we could throw more at them.

You're kidding if you think NTS is not on a pretty big pay packet. I reckon we could have got Ansell for less coin easily

[The Dunster]

NTS started in 22 games in the UAE and played the full 90 mins in each of them.
He did not miss any games due to injury or suspension.

I think his experience alongside Boogs should form a very good partnership at the back for us which should clean up all our defensive woes from last season.
Boogs will be able to play with a lot more confidence as well knowing NTS is beside him - rather than be always in two minds worrying about a rookie or an a-league pretend defender fooking up.

For the first time in many years we will have a defence that will look imposing to our opposition.

[borat]

It's not like NTS ever contributed to a consistently successful A-league club, or had a hand in winning an ACL title. I see him as a solid upgrade over Mullen which isn't a bad thing. For those speculating over $$, we don't know what he's been offered, or whether he was just desperate to come home. How much was he on at his former club?

Ahhh did you watch his performances in his last season and a half at the Wanderers? I posted a link to an article dedicated to why the Wanderers couldn't wait to get rid of NTS. They even broke their club policy against mid season transfers just to move him on.

Maybe he will turn his form around to what he was at the start of his Wanderers career in 2012-2014........but I doubt it. And even if he could manage that, at age 32, how will that complement Boogs. The only way this makes any sense, as others have suggested, is if Boogs is being moved on.

Why did we not just sign Thwaite as we were going to.

[plague]

You're kidding if you think NTS is not on a pretty big pay packet.

Topor def taking that Newy chick discount.

He knows where it's at.

[MonkeyKplunk]

This x 50 billion.

Going to be some beautiful football this year at Matathon Stadium.

Get yer tickets early.

*Newcastle International Sports Centre

[Nou Camp]

You have got to be trolling. There are plenty of CB options available, and none are current Socceroos.

Why in gods name you think "in our current situation" we aren't offering NTS much is baffling. I would suggest an salary up with Kokko and Boogs is most likely.


2009-2012 Signed by Culina at the Jets on 250k a season. Had a year left on his contract but was moved on by GVE and took a payout to take a foundation spot at WSW


http://www.theherald.com.au/story/205134/reluctant-topor-stanley-goes-around-with-west-sydney/

2012-2016 Wanderers foundation player 2 year deal and extended for a 2nd 2 year deal. Was captain and still under contract when released to join Hatta Club in the UAE.


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/western-sydney-wanderers/why-western-sydney-wanderers-broke-a-club-rule-to-sell-nikolai-toporstanley-20161013-gs1sfa.html

2016-2017 Realeased by Wanderers from final year on contact and joined Hatta Club on a 1 + 1 year deal with


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/western-sydney-wanderers/why-western-sydney-wanderers-broke-a-club-rule-to-sell-nikolai-toporstanley-20161013-gs1sfa.html

You know I don't know exactly what NTS salary is. But the chances that NTS suddenly decided to take anything less than 250-200k after 6 years on the gravy train is not realistic imo. He could have taken any number of lucrative deals, if not in the gulf then Thailand/Malaysia/Singapore etc.

his wife/partner is from Newcastle

[MFKS]

Seriously, with the players we have recruited, it's very likely to be the tactics we employ.


It's not like NTS ever contributed to a consistently successful A-league club, or had a hand in winning an ACL title. I see him as a solid upgrade over Mullen which isn't a bad thing. For those speculating over $$, we don't know what he's been offered, or whether he was just desperate to come home. How much was he on at his former club?

That was in the past

FFS Mario Jardel was golden boot winner in all of Europe 3/4 years and 6 years after winning the last one he ended up at the Jets

Doesn't make signing Topor a good idea now based on that does it??

[borat]

his wife/partner is from Newcastle
Ok I can take that as a reason......but thats not what he said was it. You compare that with Kosta Barborouses who made it clear he was sacrificing salary for family reasons.

I would counter that he signed a 1 + 1 year deal at Hatta so he left, only October 2016, with the expectation he was staying 2 years. Only that Hatta declined to take up the extra year.

[MonkeyKplunk]

I reckon he's just coming back for a couple of seasons before he joins the Jaffas with the Griffs

[Jeterpool]

his wife/partner is from Newcastle

I was about to ask this question.

Would certainly aid his return.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

well **** me.

Im glad we've all found out that NTS is on a million $ a year and that he only came here for the $. He also never publicly said he wasn't happy in UAE.

Imagine if the jerks just openly said his salary & he made everyone aware that he was homesick and/or his wife is preggas and wants to return home.

We'd have nothing to bitch about other than his slow speed or shit ability!

[halo se7en]

That was in the past

FFS Mario Jardel was golden boot winner in all of Europe 3/4 years and 6 years after winning the last one he ended up at the Jets

Doesn't make signing Topor a good idea now based on that does it??

If Topor has declined that much, why do we automatically assume him to still be on mega money?? People on here just tend to take both contradicting scenarios and assume the worst in each.

I'd like to think more realistically, either a) the guy still has it, and we're paying him well to be here, or b) he's declined, no one else wants him and he was happy to accept a reasonable offer to keep playing at the highest level in Oz. Call me naïve, but none of us are any wiser until they do start publishing wages.

[tomo]

So does that leave 2 or 3 spots left to fill?

[Jeterpool]

So does that leave 2 or 3 spots left to fill?

2 spots remaining.

For me, we need a winger and CAM or 2 wingers. We have no depth out wide.

[The Dunster]

his wife/partner is from Newcastle

Poor Topor. Very sad news indeed.

[The Dunster]

2 spots remaining.

For me, we need a winger and CAM or 2 wingers. We have no depth out wide.

Knowing this club they will sign a wide receiver and a tight End.

[Wilso8948]

Ok signing. Who cares if he is on 250k. Apparently that's what Mullen was earning and TPS is an upgrade. Much more commanding CB and with the extra being added to the salary cap who cares. He isn't as slow as some people have mentioned. Decent top speed just looks awkward going along. Doesn't take up a visa spot and now have two experienced CB to baby Jackson along the way who is still a work in progress. Very good communicator which is very underrated in a team like ours. Was missing in last years games when the team couldn't close out games. I firmly believe we will concede far fewer goals than last year with the current defenders we have.
Time to move on lads. It was a signing that the club needed to make

[The Camel]

2 spots remaining.

For me, we need a winger and CAM or 2 wingers. We have no depth out wide.

Dimi is a CAM, cover with Clut, Brown and Shabow (Not great depth I know). Definitely need a winger. I think we also need a deeper central midfielder. Ugar is the only one is the squad that is above NPL level

[Jeterpool]

Ok signing. Who cares if he is on 250k. Apparently that's what Mullen was earning and TPS is an upgrade. Much more commanding CB and with the extra being added to the salary cap who cares. He isn't as slow as some people have mentioned. Decent top speed just looks awkward going along. Doesn't take up a visa spot and now have two experienced CB to baby Jackson along the way who is still a work in progress. Very good communicator which is very underrated in a team like ours. Was missing in last years games when the team couldn't close out games. I firmly believe we will concede far fewer goals than last year with the current defenders we have.
Time to move on lads. It was a signing that the club needed to make

Good post. If we can fill the remaining 2 spots with quality then his salary becomes irrelevant because we have been able to fit the players within the budget. I've been saying a while I will judge the squad as a whole once it's signed.

Some interesting points on NTS - He did captain us on 9 occassions and will bring the leadership we need. You are bang on that was something missing last year. From a card liability sense, he was never sent off for the Jets and got just 10 bookings in 81 appearances.

He also scored 4 goals during his time. He was also part of 21 clean sheets. For comparison, Boogaard (who has made 41 A-League appearances for the Jets, has been involved in 6).

[Jeterpool]

Dimi is a CAM, cover with Clut, Brown and Shabow (Not great depth I know). Definitely need a winger. I think we also need a deeper central midfielder. Ugar is the only one is the squad that is above NPL level

I get what you mean and yes I think we could also do with a body in CDM too. Could Johnny K fit the role?

I chose the winger because we have a few options in the CDM (regardless of the quality) while out wide we are really missing some pace with Hoole's departure.

[Wilso8948]

Dimi is a CAM, cover with Clut, Brown and Shabow (Not great depth I know). Definitely need a winger. I think we also need a deeper central midfielder. Ugar is the only one is the squad that is above NPL level
Burns is an absolute priority. Having him in that front third would take our squad to a whole new level. Having a quality DM like milligan or similar will cap off a good solid squad but I think it's a bit much to be asking until the club starts turning its fortunes around. If we are in a decent place come January then players will truely see us as a viable option career wise. Quality players will start to find us a very attractive option.

[Jeterpool]

Burns is an absolute priority. Having him in that front third would take our squad to a whole new level.

It's been very quiet regarding any departure of Burns from Tokyo - either by mutual ceassation or other. Having a cursory look through the fixtures and results (http://www.fctokyo.co.jp/fixture_results) of FC Tokyo, he started and was substituted after 61 in an early round cup game, was an unused sub a few weeks later and got on in the 89th minute a few weeks after that - all since Feb. Regardless, we certainly won't pay a tranfer fee for him.

If he comes to us, at least he will be fresh. Sounds like his career has certainly stalled at FC Tokyo.

[borat]

Good post. If we can fill the remaining 2 spots with quality then his salary becomes irrelevant because we have been able to fit the players within the budget. I've been saying a while I will judge the squad as a whole once it's signed.

1 of those 2 will be an unknown Chinese player, with 2 coming out to trial in July.

So considering its going to be a lottery as to how good this player is, its very likely we are going to end up with a squad short on talent in either DM or AM/RW. And to be fair this is Mark Jones fault for signing players like Shabow and Kosta Petratos when we could have used those squad places to sign starting players.

[Premy]

GK- Duncan, Moss
FB- Cowburn, Hoffman, Alessi, Vujica, Georgievski
CB- Boogaard, Topor-Stanley, Jackson, Koutrombis
CM- Kantarovski, Brown, Ugarkovic
AM- Shabow, Clut
WM- Nabbout, D Petratos
ST- O'Donovan, Kokko, K Petratos,

U20's- Alessi, K Petratos, Koutrombis, Shabow

[Premy]

GK- Duncan, Moss
FB- Cowburn, Hoffman, Alessi, Vujica, Georgievski
CB- Boogaard, Topor-Stanley, Jackson, Koutrombis
CM- Kantarovski, Brown, Ugarkovic
AM- Shabow, Clut
WM- Nabbout, D Petratos
ST- O'Donovan, Kokko, K Petratos,

U20's- Alessi, K Petratos, Koutrombis, Shabow

Looking at it like this makes it quite clear where we need to recruit and where we need to trim some dead weight.

We need to be like those proactive clubs who find a new home for their dead weight. Blokes like Kokko and Clut aren't going to get a run so move them on, we have 5 Fullbacks FFS, why do we need 5 Fullbacks?

[Mark325]

Looking at it like this makes it quite clear where we need to recruit and where we need to trim some dead weight.

We need to be like those proactive clubs who find a new home for their dead weight. Blokes like Kokko and Clut aren't going to get a run so move them on, we have 5 Fullbacks FFS, why do we need 5 Fullbacks?

I would disagree that dimi is a winger, of the belief we plan on using him as an attacking mid

there's every chance cowburn isn't used as a fullback, he's been a cm and i believe even cb before and Bernie might see him as better in that position instead

kokko aint getting moved on, could see clut moving on now that dimi is at the club

[borat]

Looking at it like this makes it quite clear where we need to recruit and where we need to trim some dead weight.

We need to be like those proactive clubs who find a new home for their dead weight. Blokes like Kokko and Clut aren't going to get a run so move them on, we have 5 Fullbacks FFS, why do we need 5 Fullbacks?

It's not quite as clear cut with players who cover multiple positions. I think its more like

GK- Duncan, Moss
RB- Hoffman, Cowburn
LB - Vujica, Georgievski
CB- Boogaard, Topor-Stanley, Jackson, Alessi
DM- Kantarovski, Brown, Ugarkovic, Koutroumbis
AM- Petratos, Shabow, Clut
LW/RW- Nabbout,
ST- O'Donovan, Kokko, K Petratos,

U20's- Alessi, K Petratos, Koutrombis, Shabow, Vujica

[borat]

If Topor has declined that much, why do we automatically assume him to still be on mega money?? People on here just tend to take both contradicting scenarios and assume the worst in each.

I'd like to think more realistically, either a) the guy still has it, and we're paying him well to be here, or b) he's declined, no one else wants him and he was happy to accept a reasonable offer to keep playing at the highest level in Oz. Call me naïve, but none of us are any wiser until they do start publishing wages.

You haven't seen us repeatedly sign players well over their market value before? But this time its different yeah......

And why he chose to come back to Newcastle I would suggest is a combination of

1. $$$$$$
2. Merrick wants him as he suits the style of play he likes
3. We now have money to spend, thanks to Martin Lee, without the squad spaces to spend it on.
4. Other younger quality CB's didn't want to commit career suicide by coming back to Australia to play for what was the worst team in the league
5. He knows Newcastle from his time here so didn't take too much persuading
6. His GF is from here

[Grimario]

we have 5 Fullbacks FFS, why do we need 5 Fullbacks?

I would say that only three of those blokes (Vujica, Georgievski and Hoff) are pure fullbacks and even then, Hoff has been used many times in other roles. Cowburn and Alessi are likely there for youth + versatility.

I also don't think Dimi is a winger. Agree with those that suggest we will use him in the middle. I think he's said that's his preferred position in the past and would have been part of the attraction playing for us in playing there.

Kosta... I don't know. FM has him as right sided left midfielder/striker (similar to Brymora?), Perth news articles when it was announced had "attacking midfield Kosta joins brother Dimi at Jets" and the forum is adamant he is a striker. Is he basically a young attacker that hasn't sorted out a position yet?

[borat]

I would say that only three of those blokes (Vujica, Georgievski and Hoff) are pure fullbacks and even then, Hoff has been used many times in other roles. Cowburn and Alessi are likely there for youth + versatility.

I also don't think Dimi is a winger. Agree with those that suggest we will use him in the middle. I think he's said that's his preferred position in the past and would have been part of the attraction playing for us in playing there.

Kosta... I don't know. FM has him as right sided left midfielder/striker (similar to Brymora?), Perth news articles when it was announced had "attacking midfield Kosta joins brother Dimi at Jets" and the forum is adamant he is a striker. Is he basically a young attacker that hasn't sorted out a position yet?

In the times he played for Perth I only saw him as a Striker.....but maybe that's why is played so poorly. Press called him a striker when he signed for us, but yeah seems to have played AM before. Honestly don't think he will see any game time

[halo se7en]

You haven't seen us repeatedly sign players well over their market value before? But this time its different yeah......

And why he chose to come back to Newcastle I would suggest is a combination of

1. $$$$$$
2. Merrick wants him as he suits the style of play he likes
3. We now have money to spend, thanks to Martin Lee, without the squad spaces to spend it on.
4. Other younger quality CB's didn't want to commit career suicide by coming back to Australia to play for what was the worst team in the league
5. He knows Newcastle from his time here so didn't take too much persuading
6. His GF is from here

Previous owners repeatedly sign players over their market value? Yes. Lee? Not so much.

1. How much? We don't know.
2. That's a positive right?
3. See #1.
4. Not worth a response.
5. Seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.
6. Also seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.

Ultimately if we get whatever other targets we have our eye on, I don't give a shit what he's getting paid and I don't know why everyone else cares, or tries to speculate on it. The Jets have made a decision to sign him, thrown X amount of $ at him and whether it was worth it will come out in the wash in the standings. Whether he's on 500k or playing for a meat pie & a coke every week, if he's not doing his job at the back, the club will suffer for it. If he helps propel us up the table then happy days.

[Grimario]

In the times he played for Perth I only saw him as a Striker.....but maybe that's why is played so poorly. Press called him a striker when he signed for us, but yeah seems to have played AM before. Honestly don't think he will see any game time

Yeah, agree. If he, Clut, Alessi, Vujica or Shabow get significant game time, we're not going to be pushing finals football.

Hope I am wrong though and one of them has a monster season and proves us all wrong.

[plague]

Ugabooga and Jonny K are the future of our CM.

Merrick should either coach em up and let them play or sell them now and get what he wants.

Having either of those blokes riding the pine in the hope of 10 mins here or there is pointless.

[borat]

Previous owners repeatedly sign players over their market value? Yes. Lee? Not so much.

1. How much? We don't know.
2. That's a positive right?
3. See #1.
4. Not worth a response.
5. Seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.
6. Also seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.

Ultimately if we get whatever other targets we have our eye on, I don't give a shit what he's getting paid and I don't know why everyone else cares, or tries to speculate on it. The Jets have made a decision to sign him, thrown X amount of $ at him and whether it was worth it will come out in the wash in the standings. Whether he's on 500k or playing for a meat pie & a coke every week, if he's not doing his job at the back, the club will suffer for it. If he helps propel us up the table then happy days.

I was giving an honest opinion why I think he was returning, when you raised the question. Hatta opted not to take the 2nd year option so here he is.

If you want to debate the quality of players in comparison to others and ignore their value, then that's a pretty pointless discussion in this league.

It obviously matters and is more than relevant than any discussion on this forum. It's also why the press reports on it.

[edit] also no contradiction at 5 & 6, everyone has their priorities in choosing their employment

[The Dunster]

I'm as pessimistic as the next Jets supporter but so far the squad looks to be a dramatic improvement over last season already.
The back 4 look solid
The midfield is workman like though a question mark remains on creativity, and the forwards look capable of scoring goals.

From where we have been in recent times things are certainly improving.

A playmaker is all we need.

[Mark325]

Yeah, agree. If he, Clut, Alessi, Vujica or Shabow get significant game time, we're not going to be pushing finals football.

Hope I am wrong though and one of them has a monster season and proves us all wrong.

Kosta is seemingly the worst of that lot

Clut and shabow are both in the same position, so trying one at wing would be the best option if we have them both

[Guerny]

Who cares what he gets paid? (NTS) We've got salary cap space to spare given we've used no "outside the cap" concessions...

Is this a good use of one of our remaining three squad positions on the other hand?

[cobra23]

his wife/partner is from Newcastle

Yes is from newy and now also pregnant, wants to move back to
Newy to be with her family so topor probably approached the jets, so I don't
Think he would be on as much coin as people think

[borat]

Yeah, agree. If he, Clut, Alessi, Vujica or Shabow get significant game time, we're not going to be pushing finals football.

Hope I am wrong though and one of them has a monster season and proves us all wrong.

Clut played either all or part of the game at RW in the FFA cup and did very well. Dimi can play wide as well.

You compare our squad now, with the best case scenario that we somehow sign Nathan Burns and he arrives fit, I still don't see any better than 7th.

We will be competitive but I doubt Merrick has the nous to turn a competitive team into true finals contenders.

SFC, Roar, Victory have top 6 squads already.

Wanderers and City I have little doubt will recruit well enough to be top 6 with the players they already have.

Perth & Adelaide have more of a question mark, with holes to fill but are more than capable of doing so by Rd 1.

Nix and Gypos are undertaking rebuilds. Gypos Could be successful but could go either way. Nix look pretty terrible right now unless the new coach can recruit 5 quality Visa players, which you suspect is why they signed the coach they did.

We unfortunately do not have enough quality by the looks of it.

[borat]

Yes is from newy and now also pregnant, wants to move back to
Newy to be with her family so topor probably approached the jets, so I don't
Think he would be on as much coin as people think

Milligan was on 1mill in Baniyas, and Hatta was regarded the big spending new comers. He would have taken 500k over there. I can see 250k here considering the cap rises over 2 years.

[borat]

Who cares what he gets paid? (NTS) We've got salary cap space to spare given we've used no "outside the cap" concessions...

Is this a good use of one of our remaining three squad positions on the other hand?

Ahhhh for a start Kanta is outside the cap, and secondly it makes a huge difference when we waste a chunk of our player budget on a fairly mediocre player.

Counting down the days until I read all the "let's just sack/move on NTS" and the payout that will require

[StannyCFCJET]

Clut played either all or part of the game at RW in the FFA cup and did very well. Dimi can play wide as well.

You compare our squad now, with the best case scenario that we somehow sign Nathan Burns and he arrives fit, I still don't see any better than 7th.

We will be competitive but I doubt Merrick has the nous to turn a competitive team into true finals contenders.

SFC, Roar, Victory have top 6 squads already.

Wanderers and City I have little doubt will recruit well enough to be top 6 with the players they already have.

Perth & Adelaide have more of a question mark, with holes to fill but are more than capable of doing so by Rd 1.

Nix and Gypos are undertaking rebuilds. Gypos Could be successful but could go either way. Nix look pretty terrible right now unless the new coach can recruit 5 quality Visa players, which you suspect is why they signed the coach they did.

We unfortunately do not have enough quality by the looks of it.

youll find Clut played St or False nine with Brown behind him

[Jetmaster]

Griff said it himself when he did the same - you go over to get a couple of good paydays and setup your family.

You then come back for same family and lifestyle, not the paypacket.

Griff came back from China and was on low dollars and R.Griff offered to play for nothing. Grifflet went over to Saudi, made a million in as season and promptly vanished.

They know they can't stay on top coin forever.

[hawk]

Ahhhh for a start Kanta is outside the cap, and secondly it makes a huge difference when we waste a chunk of our player budget on a fairly mediocre player.
agree about the mediocre spend

but its so Lol to keep sh1t players cause they are free. unbelievable

ffs, Just spent up and have a decent go OR go cheap players, free piss and hoars.

[StannyCFCJET]

Way I see it. NTS was great for us but then got booted by Egghead cause he wanted defenders who could pass over being able to defend. Never disrespected the club or the fans either so Welcome Back NTS

[MFKS]

Previous owners repeatedly sign players over their market value? Yes. Lee? Not so much.

1. How much? We don't know.
2. That's a positive right?
3. See #1.
4. Not worth a response.
5. Seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.
6. Also seems to contradict coming for mega bucks.

Ultimately if we get whatever other targets we have our eye on, I don't give a shit what he's getting paid and I don't know why everyone else cares, or tries to speculate on it. The Jets have made a decision to sign him, thrown X amount of $ at him and whether it was worth it will come out in the wash in the standings. Whether he's on 500k or playing for a meat pie & a coke every week, if he's not doing his job at the back, the club will suffer for it. If he helps propel us up the table then happy days.

I think you are in denial here

For the last few years no **** has wanted to come here thanks to Tinkler Muppet and that cluster ****

All we got were everyone else's cast offs as players came here as they had no options

This season all of a sudden blokes of HAL level are now coming here

Let's remember we still came last and haven't addressed all our issues

But your telling me Our Caravan knocked back Roar WSW and Adelaide all clubs where he will probably play semi final football for certain next season and chose to come to Newy despite us not paying top $$

I will just use some logic and call Bullshit

Petratos Our Caravan Georgevski Topor are here because we are paying more than what they would get elsewhere

Make no mistake about it

Now I will give the club credit as we sort of have to wear it to jump up a ring or two on the ladder.

I just hope though they ain't ridiculously being paid over their worth like Boogaard is

[MFKS]

Seriously, with the players we have recruited, it's very likely to be the tactics we employ.


youll find Clut played St or False nine with Brown behind him

I hope Ernie can start moving some blokes on now like this bloke.

That where we can rebuild some more now.

Remove the deadwood like Clut

[StannyCFCJET]

I hope Ernie can start moving some blokes on now like this bloke.

That where we can rebuild some more now.

Remove the deadwood like Clut

We haven't seen enough of Clut to argue the boot him out case. What we did see he looked tidy and created a few chances

[MFKS]

We haven't seen enough of Clut to argue the boot him out case. What we did see he looked tidy and created a few chances

Bullshit

He had ample opportunity and couldn't get a regular start in a side as shit as ours.

Stop making excuses

The bloke wasn't good enough for the Roar and he ain't good enough for us.

I calling it as it is the bloke isn't a HAL level player just the new Kaz Patafta

[borat]

youll find Clut played St or False nine with Brown behind him
Clut played the last 20-30mins out wide when Bymora came on

[borat]

We haven't seen enough of Clut to argue the boot him out case. What we did see he looked tidy and created a few chances

Totally agree.

Although he scores goals so obviously we should get rid of him

[Frodo]

Bullshit

He had ample opportunity and couldn't get a regular start in a side as shit as ours.

Stop making excuses

The bloke wasn't good enough for the Roar and he ain't good enough for us.

I calling it as it is the bloke isn't a HAL level player just the new Kaz Patafta

I've got Zero issues with booting Clut whatsoever, he hasn't done anything to prove that he deserves to be here BUT....


I think we need to get rid of Boogs, Kokko and Kanta even more so. So much money being spent on players that either don't suit the club, which includes Clut, or aren't good enough to earn their paychecks.

[borat]

I think you are in denial here

For the last few years no **** has wanted to come here thanks to Tinkler Muppet and that cluster ****

All we got were everyone else's cast offs as players came here as they had no options

This season all of a sudden blokes of HAL level are now coming here
I
Let's remember we still came last and haven't addressed all our issues

But your telling me Our Caravan knocked back Roar WSW and Adelaide all clubs where he will probably play semi final football for certain next season and chose to come to Newy despite us not paying top $$

I will just use some logic and call Bullshit

Petratos Our Caravan Georgevski Topor are here because we are paying more than what they would get elsewhere

Make no mistake about it

Now I will give the club credit as we sort of have to wear it to jump up a ring or two on the ladder.

I just hope though they ain't ridiculously being paid over their worth like Boogaard is

Seriously.......I feel very uneasy agreeing with you

[MFKS]

Seriously.......I feel very uneasy agreeing with you
It's ok

That uneasy feeling is just what it feels like to be right this time

I just have to live with it all the time

LOL

[Jardelsimage]

I've got Zero issues with booting Clut whatsoever, he hasn't done anything to prove that he deserves to be here BUT....
I think we need to get rid of Boogs, Kokko and Kanta even more so. So much money being spent on players that either don't suit the club, which includes Clut, or aren't good enough to earn their paychecks.

Boogs yes punt him he was on the slide at Adelaide, Kanta is free, he can play, just not consistently enough for all of you, keep him.
Kokko well I say give him a chance, he was never going to shine after the start he had with injuries last year, then Jones went back to GVE coaching manual and shut him out.
The new gaffa should play things differently hopefully, Kokko with a decent preseason and a change of style, might turn out to surprise, lets just wait and see.
Over the years we have had some strikers play in this club, that benefitted from different styles, which at most times we didn't play to suit them.
If we all remember Edmundo Zura couldn't play as a lone striker to save his life, GVE finally changes to 2 up front, if I remember we win the game, Zura scores 2? wins praise all-round, GVE next week goes back to one up front, sound familiar.

[Jeterpool]

Boogs yes punt him he was on the slide at Adelaide, Kanta is free, he can play, just not consistently enough for all of you, keep him.
Kokko well I say give him a chance, he was never going to shine after the start he had with injuries last year, then Jones went back to GVE coaching manual and shut him out.
The new gaffa should play things differently hopefully, Kokko with a decent preseason and a change of style, might turn out to surprise, lets just wait and see.
Over the years we have had some strikers play in this club, that benefitted from different styles, which at most times we didn't play to suit them.
If we all remember Edmundo Zura couldn't play as a lone striker to save his life, GVE finally changes to 2 up front, if I remember we win the game, Zura scores 2? wins praise all-round, GVE next week goes back to one up front, sound familiar.

Zura never scored. We never got to see him whip the mask out from his pants, as was his celebration.

But that's an interesting list to think of - Donny De Groot, Guy Bates, Zhang Shou, Scott Tunbridge, Mario Jardel (:rof:), Milos Trifunovic (?), Edson Montano

[pv4]

Zura never scored. We never got to see him whip the mask out from his pants, as was his celebration.

IIRC for two things:
- he nearly scored but Kaz Patafta stole one of his would-be goals
- the FFA banned his mask celebration before he'd even set foot on an A-League pitch.

[Jeterpool]

IIRC for two things:
- he nearly scored but Kaz Patafta stole one of his would-be goals
- the FFA banned his mask celebration before he'd even set foot on an A-League pitch.

I don't remember that, but he DID score one down the Goninan's end of the ground. Griff played him through. He wheeled away to the Western stand but he was ruled offside.

If you look at the strikers taking up a Visa spot who have been perceived successful, to varying degrees, they have scored early before the pressure starts building. I'd put Nordstrand, Jeffers, Rodriguez, Coveny, Bridges, Triffo and Heskey in that category.

I'd even put Montano up as successes as part of that debate.

[WolfMan]

I think we can all agree, Ansell is a very safe option...

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-b2st9rn/products/16/images/28/ansell_chekmate_lubricated_condoms__28683.14028998 28.300.399.jpg?c=2

[pv4]

I don't remember that, but he DID score one down the Goninan's end of the ground. Griff played him through. He wheeled away to the Western stand but he was ruled offside.

I found what I was thinking of. 3:08 onwards:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zel7zweqeG0

EDIT: topically, in that goal there was an attacking player located very close to Zura, and we scored because of it.

[Grimario]

Tap in from Sigmund, I remember it well.

[Frodo]

Kanta is free, he can play, just not consistently enough for all of you, keep him.

Kanta is not free. He is actually the opposite of free. Players under the salary cap are covered by the money that the club receives, whereas Kanta wage comes directly from Mr Lee's coin purse.. That is money that would otherwise go to a marquee, better facilities, more staff, jet's shaped hat R&D... If Kanta isn't proving his worth on the football pitch, which is subjective, he would be costing us in worse ways than say Boogs who has his wage paid by others.

Happy we are using the salary concessions as it gives us an option to spend more money, and if Kanta is performing well and justifying his wage i'd go as far as saying that it would be twice as good for the club than if he was under the cap. (good player + extra cap space) But he still needs to justify the money spent on him compared to the alternatives, again this is subjective.

I don't want Mr Lee to pour money into the club aimlessly and slowly lose so much money that he walks away.

[MFKS]

Kanta is not free. He is actually the opposite of free. Players under the salary cap are covered by the money that the club receives, whereas Kanta wage comes directly from Mr Lee's coin purse.. That is money that would otherwise go to a marquee, better facilities, more staff, jet's shaped hat R&D... If Kanta isn't proving his worth on the football pitch, which is subjective, he would be costing us in worse ways than say Boogs who has his wage paid by others.

Happy we are using the salary concessions as it gives us an option to spend more money, and if Kanta is performing well and justifying his wage i'd go as far as saying that it would be twice as good for the club than if he was under the cap. (good player + extra cap space) But he still needs to justify the money spent on him compared to the alternatives, again this is subjective.

I don't want Mr Lee to pour money into the club aimlessly and slowly lose so much money that he walks away.

Other than the walking away bit isn't the Chinese Lightsalesman pouring money into the club aimlessly at the moment??

There seems to not be any great plan to what's going on

[Premy]

Kanta is not free. He is actually the opposite of free. Players under the salary cap are covered by the money that the club receives, whereas Kanta wage comes directly from Mr Lee's coin purse..
That's not entirely true, the annual grant clubs receive from TV revenue is now $3mil. The current Salary Cap is $2.65mil which is expected to be increased to $2.9mil before the season starts.

[borat]

That's not entirely true, the annual grant clubs receive from TV revenue is now $3mil. The current Salary Cap is $2.65mil which is expected to be increased to $2.9mil before the season starts.
It's money that could be going to a marquee though

[Premy]

It's money that could be going to a marquee though
No dispute there, I was just informing our little hobbit that he wasn't entirely correct.

[borat]

No dispute there, I was just informing our little hobbit that he wasn't entirely correct.
Fair enough

Same goes with people saying what does it matter what we spend on NTS. It directly comes away from our player budget with less to spend on a marquee.

[halo se7en]

Fair enough

Same goes with people saying what does it matter what we spend on NTS. It directly comes away from our player budget with less to spend on a marquee.

I said I don't care what NTS gets as long as we get the other targets we've identified. If an extra 50k on NTS has prevented us from signing say Burns (just as an example), then yes it does matter.

[borat]

I said I don't care what NTS gets as long as we get the other targets we've identified. If an extra 50k on NTS has prevented us from signing say Burns (just as an example), then yes it does matter.

Fair enough, I see your point and it's a shame we wasted squad positions early when we now seem flush with funds.

Although I would argue that a 2 year deal gives the value a greater significance. I reckon you will be reading articles in 12 months about how we have too much salary cap locked into the CB positions, just like in 2014. It will be Groundhog Day with the exact same player.

[Jeterpool]

Fair enough, I see your point and it's a shame we wasted squad positions early when we now seem flush with funds.

Although I would argue that a 2 year deal gives the value a greater significance. I reckon you will be reading articles in 12 months about how we have too much salary cap locked into the CB positions, just like in 2014. It will be Groundhog Day with the exact same player.

Interestingly, nobody is signed past the end of June 2019 (i.e. two years left on the contract).

[halo se7en]

Fair enough, I see your point and it's a shame we wasted squad positions early when we now seem flush with funds.

Although I would argue that a 2 year deal gives the value a greater significance. I reckon you will be reading articles in 12 months about how we have too much salary cap locked into the CB positions, just like in 2014. It will be Groundhog Day with the exact same player.

How long does Boogs have left on his contract? I wouldn't have thought Jackson would be on much, or Johnny K if we still want to class him as a CB. I think the clearout this off-season has been one of the better ones in recent times, although I do think keeping Kanta was unnecessary.

[borat]

How long does Boogs have left on his contract? I wouldn't have thought Jackson would be on much, or Johnny K if we still want to class him as a CB. I think the clearout this off-season has been one of the better ones in recent times, although I do think keeping Kanta was unnecessary.

Boogs has 12 months I believe. I meant in Boogs and NTS, assuming these two are our starting combination.

On a different note, Mark Milligan looks to be headed to Middlesbrough in the Championship

[white city]

To change the talk about NTS.

given we now have 2 spots remaining i think it is fairly clear to see that the chinese player will be the AM/W

and the other spot will be the CM/DM so i think that will be the only other significant player signing we will see, whether that be a foreigner or aussie is yet to be known.

I think Petratos signing has shut the door on Nathan Burns

[borat]

To change the talk about NTS.

given we now have 2 spots remaining i think it is fairly clear to see that the chinese player will be the AM/W

and the other spot will be the CM/DM so i think that will be the only other significant player signing we will see, whether that be a foreigner or aussie is yet to be known.

I think Petratos signing has shut the door on Nathan Burns

I totally disagree, in fact its the opposite. We are now stacked with defenders and defensive midfielders, by my count 12 or half the squad. You will see both the last signings will be attacking players, most likely a RW/LW or a AM/RW/LW. Burns is the likely given the comments from McKinna, although I suspect we will end up with an Australian of a lesser standard.

[white city]

i would hope so,

i only say that as i thought merrick's wish list included bringing in another CM??

[borat]

i would hope so,

i only say that as i thought merrick's wish list included bringing in another CM??

I don't think I have ever heard him say that. The press speculated it was Milligan but that seems extremely unlikely. Merrick made mention of our defensive problems and discipline, but I figure NTS is in response.

Merrick first decision was to re-sign Kanta and I suspect that was the DM he wanted rather than recruiting from outside the club. But I could be reading it all wrong and all depends on the preferred formation Merrick wants to play. If we reverted to 433 then another CM would be needed.

Personally I would prefer another goal threat.

[Jeterpool]

I totally disagree, in fact its the opposite. We are now stacked with defenders and defensive midfielders, by my count 12 or half the squad. You will see both the last signings will be attacking players, most likely a RW/LW or a AM/RW/LW. Burns is the likely given the comments from McKinna, although I suspect we will end up with an Australian of a lesser standard.

Scott McDonald?

[pv4]

The press speculated it was Milligan but that seems extremely unlikely.

I will be extremely surprised if Milligan comes back to the A-League, after basically confirming his intentions to stay abroad.

Today I've read an article saying he is looking at coming back to Australia, and have also read comments of him heading to the English Championship.

[borat]

I will be extremely surprised if Milligan comes back to the A-League, after basically confirming his intentions to stay abroad.

Today I've read an article saying he is looking at coming back to Australia, and have also read comments of him heading to the English Championship.

I am not biting gypo

[Bon]

I will be extremely surprised if Milligan comes back to the A-League, after basically confirming his intentions to stay abroad.

Today I've read an article saying he is looking at coming back to Australia, and have also read comments of him heading to the English Championship.

TWG have the usual rehashed "exclusive" of him potentially going back to Victree...

[halo se7en]

I don't think I have ever heard him say that. The press speculated it was Milligan but that seems extremely unlikely.

And the random guy I was standing next to at the ffa cup game the other night. Probably just as reliable as the press.

[borat]

Well considering we still have 2 Visa spots available, I will toss up a familiar name

Harry Novillo was relegated from Baniyas with Mark Milligan. Scored 7 in 9 games there and previously scored 13 in 31 for Melbourne City as a winger. Could be worth a look. He left City in fairly acrimonious circumstances but was never charged for anything

[tomo]

To change the talk about NTS.

given we now have 2 spots remaining i think it is fairly clear to see that the chinese player will be the AM/W

and the other spot will be the CM/DM so i think that will be the only other significant player signing we will see, whether that be a foreigner or aussie is yet to be known.

I think Petratos signing has shut the door on Nathan Burns

Why does the chinese player have to be an AM/W?
Why cant Burns be the major target for the front 3rd and the chinese player add cover for DM/CM?

[pv4]

Why does the chinese player have to be an AM/W?
Why cant Burns be the major target for the front 3rd and the chinese player add cover for DM/CM?

Agreed, let's sign Zhi Zheng

[MFKS]

That also being said we also lacking options up front

Our Caravan and Kokko are it

Last season we were lacking in numbers at times and we had Kokko Nordstrand Labi and Bymora

Maybe some reinforcement in this area even if they are a squaddy

I also think we will see some movement out of the squad after Bert gets to assess the squad once training starts because there no way he going to be happy with what he got once he has a look first hand how shit they are

[StannyCFCJET]

That also being said we also lacking options up front

Our Caravan and Kokko are it

Last season we were lacking in numbers at times and we had Kokko Nordstrand Labi and Bymora

Maybe some reinforcement in this area even if they are a squaddy

I also think we will see some movement out of the squad after Bert gets to assess the squad once training starts because there no way he going to be happy with what he got once he has a look first hand how shit they are

We need An Am and another CM b4 striker unless Kanta and Brown can have amazing seasons

[tomo]

That also being said we also lacking options up front

Our Caravan and Kokko are it

Last season we were lacking in numbers at times and we had Kokko Nordstrand Labi and Bymora

Maybe some reinforcement in this area even if they are a squaddy

I also think we will see some movement out of the squad after Bert gets to assess the squad once training starts because there no way he going to be happy with what he got once he has a look first hand how shit they are

Could Petratos, or potentially Burns, play that role if required throughout the season?

[Mark325]

We need An Am and another CM b4 striker unless Kanta and Brown can have amazing seasons

I don't think we need either of those honestly, why bother signing another attacking mid when we have dimi, clut, shabow and brown in that spot and another cm when we have uga, brown, kanta and johnny k in that position

what we need are wingers, at wellington i know bernie used wingers and right now we have clut and nabbout and that's about it. At victory he put archie out there so maybe caravan will be put in that position and see how that goes but that's all we got

[Mark325]

Could Petratos, or potentially Burns, play that role if required throughout the season?

I could see Nabbout being able to play up front as a sub striker before dimi

[tomo]

I don't think we need either of those honestly, why bother signing another attacking mid when we have dimi, clut, shabow and brown in that spot and another cm when we have uga, brown, kanta and johnny k in that position

what we need are wingers, at wellington i know bernie used wingers and right now we have clut and nabbout and that's about it

I think if burns was to sign, then him or dimi could play out wide

[borat]

That also being said we also lacking options up front

Our Caravan and Kokko are it

Last season we were lacking in numbers at times and we had Kokko Nordstrand Labi and Bymora

Maybe some reinforcement in this area even if they are a squaddy

I also think we will see some movement out of the squad after Bert gets to assess the squad once training starts because there no way he going to be happy with what he got once he has a look first hand how shit they are

Thats why Burns is perfect because he can play any of the frontline positions

[plague]

Maybe some reinforcement in this area even if they are a squaddy


What's going on Member?

You sat this juicy little morsel up there and no one even took a nibble?

Losing your touch son.

Maybe the Jets aren't the only ones who need a big off season.

[steve136]

Wait for our next signing to be Mark Bridge and for the forum to implode

[sorefootballer]

Juicy little morsel

[sorefootballer]

Love it

[MFKS]

What's going on Member?

You sat this juicy little morsel up there and no one even took a nibble?

Losing your touch son.

Maybe the Jets aren't the only ones who need a big off season.

Shhh.

Someone might find the thing

[borat]

Wait for our next signing to be Mark Bridge and for the forum to implode

Thats my pick

[MFKS]

Thats why Burns is perfect because he can play any of the frontline positions
That being said if we signed Burns he would arguably be our best player

You don't put your best player in fill in roles

You give him his best position and make the other shit ****s in the squad play out of position

Bert obviously has dealt with Burns before so he plays wherever Bert sees fit

[borat]

That being said if we signed Burns he would arguably be our best player

You don't put your best player in fill in roles

You give him his best position and make the other shit ****s in the squad play out of position

Bert obviously has dealt with Burns before so he plays wherever Bert sees fit

We would play him in a wide attacking role or in behind the striker in my opinion. Actually he would allow for a number of different formations the more I think of it.

My point was that if an injury struck to O'Donovan then we would have a more than capable replacement with a slight shuffling of the team.

[plague]

Gypo up front, Burns next to him and Kokko at centreback with Topor.

Best team.

[borat]

Gypo up front, Burns next to him and Kokko at centreback with Topor.

Best team.

Kokko needs to be upfront to give NTS and Boogs something to aim for

[MFKS]

Kokko needs to be upfront to give NTS and Boogs something to aim for

If we play that strategy we can buypass the midfield

Play 8 at the back and 2 up front

[rhysd]

The speculated wage of o Donovan was $250k and that was us outbidding other clubs.

How some people can then assume we would be paying the same for Stoppor Tanley is baffling. My bet.. somewhere between. $140-170k

Perhaps this is the benefit of having a reputable coach and their pulling power?

For the record, Stoppor is a good get and very reliable defensively. Merrick is putting together a nice looking squad.

[borat]

The speculated wage of o Donovan was $250k and that was us outbidding other clubs.

How some people can then assume we would be paying the same for Stoppor Tanley is baffling. My bet.. somewhere between. $140-170k

Perhaps this is the benefit of having a reputable coach and their pulling power?

For the record, Stoppor is a good get and very reliable defensively. Merrick is putting together a nice looking squad.

There is zero chance NTS has taken a 60% pay cut to come play for the coach not good enough for the Nix.

But cool story nonetheless

[borat]

We afford NTS due to the increase in salary cap 300k, and to the increased player budget which allows for a marquee and a home grown player allowance. That takes 2 player salaries out of the cap which then leaves additionally 400k extra in the cap.

[pv4]

There is zero chance NTS has taken a 60% pay cut to come play for the coach not good enough for the Nix.

But cool story nonetheless

You can't say there is zero chance of anything, unless you are NTS himself, I'd say. Maybe he didn't like the lifestyle in Dubai and wanted to get back to the Newy beaches.. maybe Ange Postecoglu told him he needed to come home to be in the Socceroos radar again.. maybe hundreds of potential scenarios have unfolded that not-NTS isn't aware of. Didn't Ryan Griffiths offer to play for minimum salary because he wanted to be part of the club again? What's to say NTS hasn't done similar?

I reckon it is highly likely we are paying NTS in the vicinity of 200-300k. But I'm only guessing, and refuse to rule out any possibility. Hell, I've heard Boogaard is on significantly higher than that so I don't put anything past our club!

Saying there is zero chance is IMO as naive (is that how you spell that??) as completely shutting out any possibility of Mark Milligan returning to Australia, even after reading his intentionally open-ended comments about it. He basically confirmed it, yes, but he never said anything completely concrete intentionally. And even if he DID say something concrete intentionally, take Andrew Hoole's example of heading to Europe for how "easily" footballers change their minds.

[borat]

You can't say there is zero chance of anything, unless you are NTS himself, I'd say. Maybe he didn't like the lifestyle in Dubai and wanted to get back to the Newy beaches.. maybe Ange Postecoglu told him he needed to come home to be in the Socceroos radar again.. maybe hundreds of potential scenarios have unfolded that not-NTS isn't aware of. Didn't Ryan Griffiths offer to play for minimum salary because he wanted to be part of the club again? What's to say NTS hasn't done similar?

I reckon it is highly likely we are paying NTS in the vicinity of 200-300k. But I'm only guessing, and refuse to rule out any possibility. Hell, I've heard Boogaard is on significantly higher than that so I don't put anything past our club!

Saying there is zero chance is IMO as naive (is that how you spell that??) as completely shutting out any possibility of Mark Milligan returning to Australia, even after reading his intentionally open-ended comments about it. He basically confirmed it, yes, but he never said anything completely concrete intentionally. And even if he DID say something concrete intentionally, take Andrew Hoole's example of heading to Europe for how "easily" footballers change their minds.
No, you are right, I am NTS.

[Jeterpool]

:rof:

[pv4]

No, you are right, I am NTS.

Please bring back the beard

http://www.wswanderersfc.com.au/di/library/Western_Sydney_Wanderers/17/22/nikolai-topor-stanley-gallery_1ljk969xlkxai10b9p1o94w36p.jpg?t=-610951960

[Jetmaster]

This was good value when he was here last....think he actually scored soon after.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTDm4l8C2zA

[Wilso8948]

There is zero chance NTS has taken a 60% pay cut to come play for the coach not good enough for the Nix.

But cool story nonetheless
There's things such as investment properties, tax brackets and lifestyle choices that all come into play when looking at a salary offer. Please don't be so naive to think this bloke hasn't done the sums when weighing up all these considerations amongst many more. Sometimes accepting a pay cut when you have a long term plan in place where you can write the loss off elsewhere isn't the dumbest move ever.

[Jeterpool]

There's things such as investment properties, tax brackets and lifestyle choices that all come into play when looking at a salary offer. Please don't be so naive to think this bloke hasn't done the sums when weighing up all these considerations amongst many more. Sometimes accepting a pay cut when you have a long term plan in place where you can write the loss off elsewhere isn't the dumbest move ever.

That's very true.

I wonder whether we, the punter, underestimate the impact lifesyle in Newcastle has for players. Generally, people don't know who you are so you don't get bothered. The cost of housing is significantly less than Sydney. You can pretty much access a beach for a 15 minute drive. So a $200,000 offer from Sydney vs a $170,000 from the Jets might stack up.

[Grimario]

There's things such as investment properties, tax brackets and lifestyle choices that all come into play when looking at a salary offer. Please don't be so naive to think this bloke hasn't done the sums when weighing up all these considerations amongst many more. Sometimes accepting a pay cut when you have a long term plan in place where you can write the loss off elsewhere isn't the dumbest move ever.

Pimping the lifestyle. Is that you, Con?

[Bon]

Pinging the lifestyle. Is that you, Stu?

[The Dunster]

That's very true.

I wonder whether we, the punter, underestimate the impact lifesyle in Newcastle has for players. Generally, people don't know who you are so you don't get bothered. The cost of housing is significantly less than Sydney. You can pretty much access a beach for a 15 minute drive. So a $200,000 offer from Sydney vs a $170,000 from the Jets might stack up.

Agreed. If I didn't already own a home in Sydney I wouldn't even consider working there for less than $350k a year. In Newcastle even on $200k or so you can live reasonably well if you watch your spending. Our old house at Castle Hill is a shitty little 3 bedroom single garage shack - last sold for around $1.3 m - insane considering the 60 to 90 min drive to city during peak hour - if yer lucky

[Grimario]

Agreed. If I didn't already own a home in Sydney I wouldn't even consider working there for less than $350k a year. In Newcastle even on $200k or so you can live reasonably well of you watch your spending.

Not all of us are old enough to be given land grants when the first settlers arrived though, Dunster.

[Bon]

Not all of us are old enough to be given land grants when the first settlers arrived though, Dunster.

Is that how hawk acquired all of his wealth, too?

[hawk]

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/Bo%20and%20Luke%20in%20car_1088026018.jpg

[The Dunster]

Not all of us are old enough to be given land grants when the first settlers arrived though, Dunster.

It's never been cheap to live in Sydney. I remember moving from Melbourne to Sydney and prices were effectively double for similar areas back in the 1970's.
Where the big changes are is that the bottom of the market in Sydney has increased at a much faster rate than wages. The most affluent areas have not increased anywhere near as much.

For footballers, I think the price differential for living in Newcastle is something the club don't emphasise enough to potential recruits.

[The Dunster]

Is that how hawk acquired all of his wealth, too?

Hawk made all his money when the US government broke up Standard Oil.

[Grimario]

For footballers, I think the price differential for living in Newcastle is something the club don't emphasise enough to potential recruits.

Agreed. I look at the almost luxurious <5 year old place I am living in for <$500 a week in Newy and compare it to the 50+ year old tinbox 1 bedroom apartment my friends live in in Sydney for >$500. We definitely don't promote that side of the club well enough.

[halo se7en]

In Newcastle even on $200k or so you can live reasonably well if you watch your spending.

You must be a pollie. You almost make it sound tricky to live on 200k a year :rof:

[halo se7en]

We definitely don't promote that side of the club well enough.

Maybe we do.

Speaking of the ins and outs of NTS's wage, the advantage we had with him is that he already knew what it was like to live here. It may not have been a difficult decision. And although we got the spoon last year, we're not the basket case club we were a few years ago re: Tinkler/Stubbins et al. Things have steadied off field, we've made some solid, if not spectacular signings so far, we've got a coach who is presumably going to be safe & reliable, again if not the most spectacular addition a la Wellington Phoenix (I can't remember the guy's name). All that's left is to improve what's happening for 90mins a week.

[borat]

There's things such as investment properties, tax brackets and lifestyle choices that all come into play when looking at a salary offer. Please don't be so naive to think this bloke hasn't done the sums when weighing up all these considerations amongst many more. Sometimes accepting a pay cut when you have a long term plan in place where you can write the loss off elsewhere isn't the dumbest move ever.
:rof:Wow Wilso.........I must say I hadn't factored in the pulling power Newcastle mangos/lifestyle but you are dead right.

Of course he is taking a paycut to move from the gulf, just not one that would put him in the lower pay earners in the HAL if not the Jets. A player on at 250k+ a season only 10 months ago in the HAL, the highest in the cap at the Wanderers, who then takes an upwards move to a club and league renown for double/trippling HAL wages (thats before factoring tax free status of working in the UAE), doesn't return for 150-130k......Although I guess I never factored in the package of waterfront properties in Wickham n tax brackets.........sigh

Have you ever considered that just maybe, NTS wanted to return to the HAL and we offered his asking price because Merrick wanted him? Outrageous I know. Of course its far more believable that master negotiator McKinna hoodwinked NTS and his manager into accepting a salary he was earning 8-10 years ago. Ok then...

[Jeterpool]

Does anyone remember the feelings when NTS was bombed out by GvE? We were all so annoyed that he had been let go in the name of "playing it out from the back, high tempo, high pressing style of football". Granted at that stage he was 26.

[borat]

Maybe we do.

Speaking of the ins and outs of NTS's wage, the advantage we had with him is that he already knew what it was like to live here. It may not have been a difficult decision. And although we got the spoon last year, we're not the basket case club we were a few years ago re: Tinkler/Stubbins et al. Things have steadied off field, we've made some solid, if not spectacular signings so far, we've got a coach who is presumably going to be safe & reliable, again if not the most spectacular addition a la Wellington Phoenix (I can't remember the guy's name). All that's left is to improve what's happening for 90mins a week.

Yeah those 2 wooden spoons in 3 years, yearly manager changes, ownership changes......that must must all be super attractive to any player. But its ok, we are stable now yeah...........not like we have heard that before.

You see I can happily accept paying overs to recruit players. We are not an attractive club to come to, so to pay over the top of our competitors to get some experienced players and hopefully break the cycle of failure is worth it. Its the same at any club in our position and other sports. But its got to be the right players at the right age. As in not out of form and at the wrong end of their careers. I also think we are limiting ourselves to a very small pool of former HAL players due to an inability of management to establish even the most rudimentary level of scouting/recruitment.

[borat]

Does anyone remember the feelings when NTS was bombed out by GvE? We were all so annoyed that he had been let go in the name of "playing it out from the back, high tempo, high pressing style of football". Granted at that stage he was 26.

Wow that is looking at history through rose coloured glasses right there. Most people saw him as taking a massive part of our salary cap and were happy to see the back of him. Even the opinion pieces in the Herald at the time agreed with letting him go.

[Jeterpool]

Wow that is looking at history through rose coloured glasses right there. Most people saw him as taking a massive part of our salary cap and were happy to see the back of him. Even the opinion pieces in the Herald at the time agreed with letting him go.

Maybe I am thinking about the period where his contract was running out and other clubs were interested. The fans were incredulous the club weren't going to re-sign him before they eventually did.

I just remember there was a time where there was a fair bit of NTS love from the fans towards the big man and anger directed back at the club.

[borat]

Maybe I am thinking about the period where his contract was running out and other clubs were interested. The fans were incredulous the club weren't going to re-sign him before they eventually did.

I just remember there was a time where there was a fair bit of NTS love from the fans towards the big man and anger directed back at the club.

I think people liked his as a player but were pragmatic of the need to sign other players, mostly upfront. Of course we then went on to waste that 250k.

[The Dunster]

You must be a pollie. You almost make it sound tricky to live on 200k a year :rof:

It is tricky to buy a home on less money if you don't already have a large deposit - especially if you have a couple of kids, two cars, school expenses, healthcare, insurance, Utilities bills.... and so on.

I would not like to be supporting a family and trying to raise a deposit for a home - even at the low end of the market on an average wage.

And in the case of a professional footballer - good luck convincing a bank you are low risk when it comes to servicing a 30 year mortgage.

[Couscous]

I am a Canberran, like Hyphen. So if anything I should be biased in his favour.

He's an appalling choice. With him, we'll never play the successful football we played in 2007-08.

[Jetmaster]

And in the case of a professional footballer - good luck convincing a bank you are low risk when it comes to servicing a 30 year mortgage.

A few players come back with enough OS coin to not require a mortgage - geez, know one or two who have paid cash!

[q-money]

I am a Canberran, like Hyphen. So if anything I should be biased in his favour.

He's an appalling choice. With him, we'll never play the successful football we played in 2007-08.

this has gotta be one of the longest games in fozzle history. well played big C, not once have you ever wavered from the narrative

[The Dunster]

I am a Canberran, .

Minister for Finance for sure.

Surprising considering you didn't know the difference between the CPI and a GDP deflator when converting nominal values of wages and GDP into real figures.


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/sites/sbs.com.au.news/files/styles/full/public/20161128001290410665-original.jpg?itok=9Mi-MxJe&mtime=1480463418

Identified at last.

What was this paying - I lost a packet on taking the short odds he was GVE.

[Wilso8948]

:rof:Wow Wilso.........I must say I hadn't factored in the pulling power Newcastle mangos/lifestyle but you are dead right.

Of course he is taking a paycut to move from the gulf, just not one that would put him in the lower pay earners in the HAL if not the Jets. A player on at 250k+ a season only 10 months ago in the HAL, the highest in the cap at the Wanderers, who then takes an upwards move to a club and league renown for double/trippling HAL wages (thats before factoring tax free status of working in the UAE), doesn't return for 150-130k......Although I guess I never factored in the package of waterfront properties in Wickham n tax brackets.........sigh

Have you ever considered that just maybe, NTS wanted to return to the HAL and we offered his asking price because Merrick wanted him? Outrageous I know. Of course its far more believable that master negotiator McKinna hoodwinked NTS and his manager into accepting a salary he was earning 8-10 years ago. Ok then...

All I'm saying is you have zero clue what the bloke is on and you're raging like he's on marquee wages and you know that 100%.
What's to say he didn't tell his mrs when he left for OS that he'll knuckle down and bank some serious cash (tax free too I think) and set them both up well enough that taking big dollars on his return wasn't such a priority.
And to add to that if the bloke is on 250k+ then who cares. He's proven to be a very astute defender leading a team based purely on defence to an ACL title and grand finals. This isn't something you just "forget" cause you're old. The salary cap goes up anyways next year.
Compare him and Baro who many of us including me were keen to see signed and we pretty much get a like for like signing whohas the added bonus of being Aussie and probably better in the communication department.

[MFKS]

What do you mean who cares what he is on??

I will accept this club are going to be paying over the odds for players of decent level ability

BUT

We need to be paying acceptable prices
Over paying your CD 250k when he ain't worth it causes problems when you want to sign some other bloke

Don't be in denial that agents don't talk but let's just say we try signing eg Nathan Burns

When we try putting an offer to him do you not think his value his signature is available for will be dictated by what the other higher paid players are on and how much more he feels he is worth

Don't you think ****s coming here already look at Boogaard on the big $$ and then put their hand out and say I deserve this if your paying him that??

Getting players paid close to their worth is highly important as it effects other signings whether new or renewal big time

[hawk]

when the US government broke up Standard Oil.

All hail the Sherman Antitrust Act to defeat the Microsoft of the day

[borat]

All I'm saying is you have zero clue what the bloke is on and you're raging like he's on marquee wages and you know that 100%.
What's to say he didn't tell his mrs when he left for OS that he'll knuckle down and bank some serious cash (tax free too I think) and set them both up well enough that taking big dollars on his return wasn't such a priority.
And to add to that if the bloke is on 250k+ then who cares. He's proven to be a very astute defender leading a team based purely on defence to an ACL title and grand finals. This isn't something you just "forget" cause you're old. The salary cap goes up anyways next year.
Compare him and Baro who many of us including me were keen to see signed and we pretty much get a like for like signing whohas the added bonus of being Aussie and probably better in the communication department.

It's hard to know if you are trolling or not. But now I see maybe you are genuine, if not a little ill informed, and maybe you just hold a life long dream to be a toppers trooper. So Good for you, I guess you dream has come true.

That you either have little knowledge or understanding why a players incomes matter in a salary capped league shows me that there is little point debating anything with you. Which of course is ironic considering NTS was moved on from the club last time because his salary was taking too much of the cap.

For a guy that doesn't care you certainly like to post a lot about it.

[hawk]

He's here now at a certain cost so no point worrying. We wont land any big fish either. Sorry to burst 3 months of hope.

Toppers Twats should be the new entity. Man in a canoe symbol

Thanks to stretch for modelling
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/68774.jpg?zm=1600,1600,1,0,0

[borat]

What do you mean who cares what he is on??

I will accept this club are going to be paying over the odds for players of decent level ability

BUT

We need to be paying acceptable prices
Over paying your CD 250k when he ain't worth it causes problems when you want to sign some other bloke

Don't be in denial that agents don't talk but let's just say we try signing eg Nathan Burns

When we try putting an offer to him do you not think his value his signature is available for will be dictated by what the other higher paid players are on and how much more he feels he is worth

Don't you think ****s coming here already look at Boogaard on the big $$ and then put their hand out and say I deserve this if your paying him that??

Getting players paid close to their worth is highly important as it effects other signings whether new or renewal big time

Well put.

I started with a lengthy reply like this but figured there was little point getting into any detail.

[Wilso8948]

It's hard to know if you are trolling or not. But now I see maybe you are genuine, if not a little ill informed, and maybe you just hold a life long dream to be a toppers trooper. So Good for you, I guess you dream has come true.

That you either have little knowledge or understanding why a players incomes matter in a salary capped league shows me that there is little point debating anything with you. Which of course is ironic considering NTS was moved on from the club last time because his salary was taking too much of the cap.

For a guy that doesn't care you certainly like to post a lot about it.

Na. Just think you should just chill when you have absolutely no clue what each individual player is earning or what they've signed for. You are making assumptions. That's it. Wait to see how he performs and I'm sure it'll also eventually come out what he's earning.

[plague]

15 minute drive to the ocean in Newy?

I prefer those weirdos out at Cameron Park to get on the freeway to gypo land for their taste of gods bathtub.


i run out of breath getting to the end of my street for a dip in the water.

also Topper knows the Newy chick discount is well worth it.

but if he's loved up and expecting then what the hell is he doing back here on less that $750k to play for this shitrabble.

[parksey]

Feel sorry for Topor living below the newy poverty line on $180,000 per year.

[plague]

Feel sorry for Topor living below the newy poverty line on $180,000 per year.

Bill Shorten considers him a millionaire so he good.

[Couscous]

the Newy chick discount

Can you expand on this, please.

[plague]

Can you expand on this, please.
You clearly aren't from Newy.

[pv4]

Na. Just think you should just chill when you have absolutely no clue what each individual player is earning or what they've signed for. You are making assumptions. That's it. Wait to see how he performs and I'm sure it'll also eventually come out what he's earning.

I can basically confirm that there is zero chance borat isn't correct on every single thing he/she has said.

[borat]

Na. Just think you should just chill when you have absolutely no clue what each individual player is earning or what they've signed for. You are making assumptions. That's it. Wait to see how he performs and I'm sure it'll also eventually come out what he's earning.
Yeah you see repeating the same ill informed opinion doesn't make it true, just repetitive.

I posted factual reported information that my opinion is based on. If you don't like the discussion or it's a little to complex for you then go create a fanboy thread to fap over.

Oh and stop being such a wanker. Just post your opinion and I will post mine.

[The Dunster]

You clearly aren't from Newy.

Newy Chicks are a different species. Rate themselves far too highly and really don't offer anywhere near the performance or value for money that European imports do.

[The Dunster]

Feel sorry for Topor living below the newy poverty line on $180,000 per year.

We should have a whip around before each home game and top him up. maybe bring some tin food in for him to take home after the game.

[MFKS]

Newy Chicks are a different species. Rate themselves far too highly and really don't offer anywhere near the performance or value for money that European imports do.

Don't they what

There no finer experience in life than giving a Newy chick a dose of reality of where she sits in the pecking order of things

It great watching them get wound up but lose the argument with you

[Wilso8948]

Yeah you see repeating the same ill informed opinion doesn't make it true, just repetitive.

I posted factual reported information that my opinion is based on. If you don't like the discussion or it's a little to complex for you then go create a fanboy thread to fap over.

Oh and stop being such a wanker. Just post your opinion and I will post mine.

You stated there is zero percent chance he signed for 60% of what he was on. That's not an opinion. You're talking as if you have seen his pay cheque and you seem to be writing everyone else's opinion off when they disagree with you. I haven't said you are incorrect. But I was offering the flip side of your argument. You're getting a bit worked up now. I've been a wanker on numerous occasions in my life but fail to see how I am being one here.

[pv4]

Oh and stop being such a wanker. Just post your opinion and I will post mine.

Anyone else picking up pot & kettle specs on this one?

[plague]

Don't they what

There no finer experience in life than giving a Newy chick a dose of reality of where she sits in the pecking order of things

It great watching them get wound up but lose the argument with you

Nope.

You're just doing it wrong.

Plus you obviously don't have the right card.

Topor knows.

[Jetmaster]

I'm a bit with poor Wilso....stats is just stats. We don't "know" what he is getting paid.
Surely you can find out for us Herald stalkers and kill this argument?

[Frodo]

I'm a bit with poor Wilso....stats is just stats. We don't "know" what he is getting paid.
Surely you can find out for us Herald stalkers and kill this argument?

Don't let facts get in the way of this stupidity. We have 3 more months with nothing to do. This is the best we can hope for.

We have a CEO who's scouting network consists of his teledex and whoever his boss send him in a crate once a year. ( A teledex is a paper version of a contacts list for those youngsters on here)

I would eat my Jet shaped hat is Topor isn't on more money than we should have needed to spend on our defence. We were already screwed because we have Boogs, who is rubbish, signed on big coin and past his prime. Add the fact we are a perennial wooden-spoon winning club and we are going to struggle to attract anyone half-decent and not pay through the arse for them.


I just wish we had signed him for a year and then let them both go. Then we go spend the same money on 2 decent defenders aged between 25 and 28 and gave them a year to become a partnership, instead of two old guys trying to earn a coaching/pundits role. We basically have a defence of John Terry and John Terry. They will have great moments but we all know they are passed their used by dates.

[MFKS]

Nope.

You're just doing it wrong.

Plus you obviously don't have the right card.

Topor knows.

I got the right card

I just pass on Newy chicks

Hard to find one under 60 kilos and then when you do have to listen to herself whine in self entitlement despite her personal hygiene being below par she smells like a fishing trawler

I pass on that and focus on those under 60 kilos who don't whine in self entitlement and actually can wash themselves correctly

By doing it this way I don't get bruised thighs when they sit on my lap

Topor be out injured if he don't take care

[WolfMan]

I got the right card

I just pass on Newy chicks

Hard to find one under 60 kilos and then when you do have to listen to herself whine in self entitlement despite her personal hygiene being below par she smells like a fishing trawler

I pass on that and focus on those under 60 kilos who don't whine in self entitlement and actually can wash themselves correctly

By doing it this way I don't get bruised thighs when they sit on my lap

Topor be out injured if he don't take care

Admittedly, it can be hard finding the right woman under 60kegs that isn't suffering from an eating disorder.

You're allowed to be as narrow-minded as you like, but most teenagers weigh more than your cut off.

Perhaps don't skip leg day and you'll be able to support the average-sized woman.

[The Dunster]

I'm not a fan of thin chicks - nothing to grab unless it's a set of bolt-ons [which are hideous], and feels like your fuking a cardboard box.
Thin chicks also lack confidence - because if they were confident they wouldn't be trying to fit an image that the media proposed to them.
Don't get me started about chicks that lift weights / work out- why ? You might as well simply come out of the closet and bang blokes rather than a chick trying to look like a man.

Have I left anyone out ?

[MFKS]

Admittedly, it can be hard finding the right woman under 60kegs that isn't suffering from an eating disorder.

You're allowed to be as narrow-minded as you like, but most teenagers weigh more than your cut off.

Perhaps don't skip leg day and you'll be able to support the average-sized woman.

The ones over 60 kilos are the ones with the eating disorders

They just pile the sugar and fat and other such shit in at excessive levels while balancing it out with very minimal physical activity


The average height for Australian woman is 162 cm

BMI in the healthy category is 50-64 kgs

By my calculations anyone over this which there is plenty of them is overweight

Those under 64 kilos don't have an eating disorder.
They just eat how your suppose to

Those under 40 kilos have the eating disorders from not eating enough

[Wilso8948]

Don't get me started about chicks that lift weights / work out- why ? You might as well simply come out of the closet and bang blokes rather than a chick trying to look like a man.

You don't get to the gym much do you.. if you did you'd see most chicks who lift weights do not even remotely look masculine.
The ones you are thinking of are the 1% that compete.

[Wilso8948]

The ones over 60 kilos are the ones with the eating disorders

They just pile the sugar and fat and other such shit in at excessive levels while balancing it out with very minimal physical activity


The average height for Australian woman is 162 cm

BMI in the healthy category is 50-64 kgs

By my calculations anyone over this which there is plenty of them is overweight

Those under 64 kilos don't have an eating disorder.
They just eat how your suppose to

Those under 40 kilos have the eating disorders from not eating enough

Hahahah **** me no wonder you have to head to Thailand for a root

[MFKS]

Hahahah **** me no wonder you have to head to Thailand for a root
I can get a root whereever I like. This country that country any where

I just don't waste my time on fat chicks over 60 kilos though

Just don't need

[The Dunster]

You don't get to the gym much do you.. if you did you'd see most chicks who lift weights do not even remotely look masculine.
The ones you are thinking of are the 1% that compete.

I've been around plenty of gyms over the years - haven't seen anything I'd want to put my dick into . I just don't like athletic or muscular females - or stick insects for that matter.
It's not just the look - their skin is never as soft to touch and they feel hard rather than supple - which for me at least makes them masculine.

Some people like it and that's fine by me but they do nothing for me. When I see a chick with abs I cringe - it's not a good look.

[Wilso8948]

I love the off season

[MFKS]

I've been around plenty of gyms over the years - haven't seen anything I'd want to put my dick into . I just don't like athletic or muscular females - or stick insects for that matter.
It's not just the look - their skin is never as soft to touch and they feel hard rather than supple - which for me at least makes them masculine.

Some people like it and that's fine by me but they do nothing for me. When I see a chick with abs I cringe - it's not a good look.

I agree with your points as well

Muscular chicks just do nothing for me either

Athleticly shaped females I can cope with

But it come down to personal preference

[pv4]

This conversation is exactly what i want from offseasons.

What i take some form of comfort, i guess, from is there are women in this world as shallow as Member For Sixty Kilos (bow to me, peasants) also:

http://thoughtcatalog.com/nicole-mullen/2014/07/guys-without-abs-should-basically-kill-themselves/

[The Dunster]

http://thoughtcatalog.com/nicole-mullen/2014/07/guys-without-abs-should-basically-kill-themselves/

Hollywood abs in a syringe.

How bad is it that males are now as piss weak as females and wasting their time submitting to an image profile forced upon them by women's magazines.

Glad I come from a generation where we didn't take anything a woman said seriously unless it meant she was going to be a little late getting dinner ready.

No wonder the Jets can't find footballers with any mongrel in them these days.

Also: We now have women with defective vaginas shifting the blame onto men and calling it pre-mature ejaculation ? ffs really ? Any woman that can't have an orgasm the second a cock goes anywhere near her should be seeking medical advice - not the man who's left evidence all over her leg proving he's perfectly ok.

[plague]

I can get a root whereever I like. This country that country any where*


*that accepts Visa card.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Can we get a "Membah rates the girls" thread where we post girls and membah rates them.
Gonna be the new Sheep Quiz.
Each week, everybody posts a picture of sports women/somewhat famous celeb and membah rates them out of 10. Scores accumulate and the highest wins!

[MFKS]

Hollywood abs in a syringe.

How bad is it that males are now as piss weak as females and wasting their time submitting to an image profile forced upon them by women's magazines.

Glad I come from a generation where we didn't take anything a woman said seriously unless it meant she was going to be a little late getting dinner ready.

No wonder the Jets can't find footballers with any mongrel in them these days.

Also: We now have women with defective vaginas shifting the blame onto men and calling it pre-mature ejaculation ? ffs really ? Any woman that can't have an orgasm the second a cock goes anywhere near her should be seeking medical advice - not the man who's left evidence all over her leg proving he's perfectly ok.

As for women and orgasming

I think that the vast majority of woman actually have no idea on how to ****

Yeah they can lay there or climb on and move about but they not much method or quality to their technique

These women you have to do the work and put in the effort to make them orgasm because they can't achieve it themselves

Then you have your small percentage group who know how to **** and **** you like they auditioning for a porno

There the ones who orgasm

Find me one of these under 60 kilos and we set


It not your fault if a woman don't cum it your fault when you don't cum

Don't forget that actually is the desired end result of your actions

To blow your load

Don't apologise for doing so

[MFKS]

Can we get a "Membah rates the girls" thread where we post girls and membah rates them.
Gonna be the new Sheep Quiz.
Each week, everybody posts a picture of sports women/somewhat famous celeb and membah rates them out of 10. Scores accumulate and the highest wins!

What do it for a couple of weeks get everyone excited and then have someone dissappoint the entire foz by refusing to provide the answers just like WLG did??

[StannyCFCJET]

Don't let facts get in the way of this stupidity. We have 3 more months with nothing to do. This is the best we can hope for.

We have a CEO who's scouting network consists of his teledex and whoever his boss send him in a crate once a year. ( A teledex is a paper version of a contacts list for those youngsters on here)

I would eat my Jet shaped hat is Topor isn't on more money than we should have needed to spend on our defence. We were already screwed because we have Boogs, who is rubbish, signed on big coin and past his prime. Add the fact we are a perennial wooden-spoon winning club and we are going to struggle to attract anyone half-decent and not pay through the arse for them.


I just wish we had signed him for a year and then let them both go. Then we go spend the same money on 2 decent defenders aged between 25 and 28 and gave them a year to become a partnership, instead of two old guys trying to earn a coaching/pundits role. We basically have a defence of John Terry and John Terry. They will have great moments but we all know they are passed their used by dates.

If we had two John Terry's we'd never concede again and every ST in the league would be in the pocket all year

[Bremsstrahlung]

Until the 27th minute.

[belchardo]

seriously mods, can we shut this ****ing conversation about women down? i don't care if everybody is taking the piss, it's pathetic.

[pv4]

seriously mods, can we shut this ****ing conversation about women down? i don't care if everybody is taking the piss, it's pathetic.

Tbf it's about men too

[plague]

Tbf it's about men too

Technically cavemen TBH.

[Wilso8948]

seriously mods, can we shut this ****ing conversation about women down? i don't care if everybody is taking the piss, it's pathetic.

Don't stress mate. Judging by some of the comments those blokes won't be getting anywhere near a girl in the foreseeable future.

[The Dunster]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/e8/cb/87/e8cb871f48a354822ae8c2d75160e67f.jpg

[The Dunster]

Don't stress mate. Judging by some of the comments those blokes won't be getting anywhere near a girl in the foreseeable future.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WXUUmFOPYkk/VdOs_w5FLKI/AAAAAAAABBc/NkbeInW0XLw/s1600/disappointment.jpg

[MFKS]

Don't stress mate. Judging by some of the comments those blokes won't be getting anywhere near a girl in the foreseeable future.

Lol

Newsflash

Woman love dominant men pal

[The Dunster]

The search for a Chinese visa player is over as I have found the player we want - based simply on having the best name in professional sport:

Chu Wang. He's from the Ledman Portuguese League and is off contract soon.

https://blobsvc.wort.lu/picture/f4eef075f3ab46930da7c787609bb739/577/356/wortv3/f3132b58b83f9fb195ad69bc3698d69de45ece7f

https://www.transfermarkt.com/chu-wang/profil/spieler/235976

[Couscous]

I agree with belchardo, and apologise if I stoked the Member's embers in such a way that led him to explain his weird kilogram-orgasm rule.

But, without unnecessary sexual diversions, can someone explain the "Newy chick discount", because I'm still confused. The manner in which it was explained here, by the Member and others, suggests it's actually a Newy chick mark-up, in that the good (if you want to view chicks that way) has a higher price (figuratively) than the good would have in other markets.

[furns]

Ffs I love it when I disappear for a week or two :rolleyes:
You want to know why there is literally zero female presence on the foz? It's this discussion right here. Don't care if it's taking the piss or not, how is a n00b or lurker supposed to sift through the bullshit to judge if they are meant to take a group of male's discussion & grading the female body seriously or with a grain of salt? If you want to engage in that sort of rubbish there are plenty of male dominated FB groups where pimply faced teens and 20-something virgin's rate females they have no chance of landing in the first place. It's 2017 lads, not 1977.

If you think I'm being precious about it, print off the last few pages of this thread and walk up to a random girl in the pub tonight and see how many posts on this subject you can read to her before she sprays your face with CS. That's your "pub test" right there, Liberal voters.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Delete the tennis thread too.

[The Dunster]

I agree with belchardo, and apologise if I stoked the Member's embers in such a way that led him to explain his weird kilogram-orgasm rule.

But, without unnecessary sexual diversions, can someone explain the "Newy chick discount", because I'm still confused. The manner in which it was explained here, by the Member and others, suggests it's actually a Newy chick mark-up, in that the good (if you want to view chicks that way) has a higher price (figuratively) than the good would have in other markets.

The WAG's lay down the law about wanting to be back in their home town with family and friends. The footballer in question [ men doesn't seem like the correct word to use] take a pay cut to come back to Newcastle in an effort to stop the wife's or girlfriends from nagging them to death.

Why the club doesn't hire the hottest chicks in Newy to actually recruit players rather than use Lawries teledex and so on is beyond belief considering the salary cap benefits we could take advantage of.

[Bremsstrahlung]

It's called a relationship/marriage/family.
Some people care more about their wife, partner, children than they do about themselves. People make compromises, people want their family to be happy, they are doing what they deem neccessary to make that happen.
If you were in a position to be able to help your parents, wife, children, I'm sure you would. Or maybe not.

[The Dunster]

If you think I'm being precious about it, print off the last few pages of this thread and walk up to a random girl in the pub tonight and see how many posts on this subject you can read to her before she sprays your face with CS. That's your "pub test" right there, Liberal voters.

I'd need to check with the wife first. Not sure she'd be happy with me going to the pub on a Saturday night to chat with random girls.

[furns]

Delete the tennis thread too.
Oh ffs, with zero interest in tennis I hadn't checked that thread in about a year. At least that thread remained on topic :facepalm:

[Jeterpool]

The search for a Chinese visa player is over as I have found the player we want - based simply on having the best name in professional sport:

Chu Wang. He's from the Ledman Portuguese League and is off contract soon.

https://blobsvc.wort.lu/picture/f4eef075f3ab46930da7c787609bb739/577/356/wortv3/f3132b58b83f9fb195ad69bc3698d69de45ece7f

https://www.transfermarkt.com/chu-wang/profil/spieler/235976

He certainly has the playing record similar to that of Ma Leilei.

[The Dunster]

He certainly has the playing record similar to that of Ma Leilei.

Yes. And we would get him very cheap so wouldn't put much pressure on the salary cap.
As far as I can see there is simply no Chinese players currently available that would be starting quality.
Alternatively, we could grab a young up and coming Chinese player from the Ledman stocks and pray they can adapt to the massive cultural shock of living in Newy / Australia.

[hawk]

Geez. I go out to dig a few trenches and look what happens in the squad thread. Admittedly our squad wont be reaching the great heights of the past convo.

The coach might get them playing as an organised group and sneak into playoffs.:whistling:

[MFKS]

I'd need to check with the wife first. Not sure she'd be happy with me going to the pub on a Saturday night to chat with random girls.

Jesus Christ

:slap:

I wouldn't take up Furns offer anyway

More so because they unlikely to be what I looking for and the exact thing I trying to avoid

[plague]

ok ok ok.

as the bloke who first brought up the phrase i sincerely apologise for using it.

but.


rest assured every definition people have given are complete nonsense and they have no idea what they (or I) are talking about.

So lets leave it at that, and get back to locking in the true missing piece from our squad, Steve Lustica.



Also Furns FYI the birds thread is really about actual birds.
Julia Gillard has given it her blessing.


Cheers,
Plague.

[belchardo]

Also Furns FYI the birds thread is really about actual birds.

or is that just what the birds want us to think?????

[plague]

or is that just what the birds want us to think?????

Dang.
I think you just broke this whole thing wide open.

[The Dunster]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WPEAC9b2urw/UiNB99E-6KI/AAAAAAAAp50/BQ_hgWbVQ1M/s640/cassowary+most+dangerous+bird+in+the+world+9.jpg

[plague]

To be fair if we signed a ****ing Cassowary it would immediately be the hardest player on our team.

[belchardo]

with that forehead, they would be terrible at heading.
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so they'd fit right in...

[hawk]

Ffs I love it when I disappear for a week or two :rolleyes:
You want to know why there is literally zero female presence on the foz? .

ffs seriously.

Because most really couldnt give a sh1t about football or the jets. And most dont have a male sense of humour but prefer to get real and do other fun stuff. And no I didnt partake in anything untoward, Thanks Miranda

[furns]

Was aimed at the general tone of the discussion hawk. Wasnt singling out anyone in particular.
And have a look around Jets and football games in general mate. Female attendance is much higher than you think, and its only going to increase imo.

[pv4]

You want to know why there is literally zero female presence on the foz?.

Is this true? I assumed a few on the foz were female. I realised only yesterday i didn't know borats gender so referenced borat a he/she.

It's politically correct not to assume genders nowadays rigjt?

[plague]

It's politically correct not to assume genders nowadays rigjt?

FYI I identify as an asshole so please address me accordingly.

[hawk]

Was aimed at the general tone of the discussion hawk. Wasnt singling out anyone in particular.
And have a look around Jets and football games in general mate. Female attendance is much higher than you think, and its only going to increase imo.

for sure. We get bombarded in media so much that this is one of the few places to come where good men arent rubbished.

I encourage anyone to join in the frivolities and the occasional knowledgeable discussion.

[pv4]

FYI I identify as an asshole so please address me accordingly.

Asshole isn't exactly a distinguishing feature around here

[Jetmaster]

Don't care for PC - totally enjoying this thowback to the 70's thread. And must add I just had a female workmate read the last few pages and she laughed so much she's added the foz to her bookmarks!

And as to what makes women go to the football? My wife's first comment about NTS returning - "that's good coz he's nice" - ffs.

[MFKS]

Was aimed at the general tone of the discussion hawk. Wasnt singling out anyone in particular.
And have a look around Jets and football games in general mate. Female attendance is much higher than you think, and its only going to increase imo.
Yeah there is plenty of females going to the football but so what

Why the need to change things to make them happy??

There more than welcome to come but they should learn to adept to the lay of the land

It not up to everyone there to change to make them happy


Next you be getting turfed out of Hunter Stadium because you drop the f bomb when Hoffman crosses it out for a goal kick

Man is quite entitled to call these useless ****s useless ****s when they deserve it

[MFKS]

Don't care for PC - totally enjoying this thowback to the 70's thread. And must add I just had a female workmate read the last few pages and she laughed so much she's added the foz to her bookmarks!

And as to what makes women go to the football? My wife's first comment about NTS returning - "that's good coz he's nice" - ffs.

Throwback to the 70s??

It 2017 I ain't bowing down to all women like that. I will leave that to the pussy whipped types out there to do.

Treat em mean
Keep em kean

The ones who don't like it??
Well why worry about them

[baldrick]

Yeah there is plenty of females going to the football but so what

Why the need to change things to make them happy??

There more than welcome to come but they should learn to adept to the lay of the land

It not up to everyone there to change to make them happy


Next you be getting turfed out of Hunter Stadium because you drop the f bomb when Hoffman crosses it out for a goal kick

Man is quite entitled to call these useless ****s useless ****s when they deserve it


You really are a dinosaur.

[plague]

Yeah there is plenty of females going to the football but so what

Why the need to change things to make them happy??


The Member making some good points drawing on his extensive knowledge of 'plastic' women.

[plague]

And must add I just had a female workmate read the last few pages and she laughed so much she's added the foz to her bookmarks!


You probably have lots of black and Asian friends too right?

[The Dunster]

Delete the tennis thread too.

If you respected women you wouldn't run around thinking they need to be rescued all the time. The tennis thread is about female athletes empowering themselves and creating a marketable image through which they can achieve financial Independence.

Would you rather we went back to women playing tennis in pants suits as amateurs and having to rely on a husband for all their income needs ?

[MFKS]

You really are a dinosaur.

Why??

Because I ain't an emancipated sell out who is busy kissing people's areses all in the name of some ridiculous PC battle that I couldn't give a **** about??

Ohh well

Just call me TRex then

[MFKS]

The Member making some good points drawing on his extensive knowledge of 'plastic' women.

But that advice is perfect for the FFA with marketing the game full stop

Stop trying to change to appeal to ****s

Look after your current support bases

That is footballs greatest strength in this country

The ****s who are already involved
The FFA pays them scant attention what so ever whilst they try and change every thing up to attract these plastic ****ers

If they had a ****ing clue there marketing should be more directed at blokes like you who come when you can be bothered and the other lots out there who play coach watch follow etc and getting them into the HAL and Socceroos

But no they off chasing some utopian fantasy of converting these plastic ****s

[plague]

But that advice is perfect for the FFA with marketing the game full stop

Stop trying to change to appeal to ****s

Look after your current support bases

That is footballs greatest strength in this country

The ****s who are already involved
The FFA pays them scant attention what so ever whilst they try and change every thing up to attract these plastic ****ers

If they had a ****ing clue there marketing should be more directed at blokes like you who come when you can be bothered and the other lots out there who play coach watch follow etc and getting them into the HAL and Socceroos

But no they off chasing some utopian fantasy of converting these plastic ****s

Nah.
It was a joke about sex dolls.

[parksey]

Next you be getting turfed out of Hunter Stadium because you drop the f bomb when Hoffman crosses it out for a goal kick

lost it

[MFKS]

Nah.
It was a joke about sex dolls.
Ohh it that bad a joke I didn't notice

For a bloke who is usually a funny guy your jokes lately have been honking bad just like the Jets

You feeling alright buddy??

[plague]

Ohh it that bad a joke I didn't notice


It wasn't 'for' you.
It was 'about' you.

Hope you appreciate the difference.

Good day.

[The Dunster]

Hongquan Jiang a right back from Chinese Super League team Yanbian Funde will be off contract in November. Probably not ideal though I guess.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/hongquan-jiang/profil/spieler/252292

I hope we don't get anyone from Ledman FC - because going through their roster it looks like the average bio reads over 30 years old, can't score goals, and has had at least one major season ending injury throughout their careers.

Pretty much a done deal then I guess.

[halo se7en]

Hongquan Jiang a right back from Chinese Super League team Yanbian Funde will be off contract in November. Probably not ideal though I guess.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/hongquan-jiang/profil/spieler/252292

I hope we don't get anyone from Ledman FC - because going through their roster it looks like the average bio reads over 30 years old, can't score goals, and has had at least one major season ending injury throughout their careers.

Pretty much a done deal then I guess.

Wow... someone actually talking about our squad in the squad thread. ****ing off-season.

[The Dunster]

Pedro Morales 32 year old Attacking Midfielder. Has been capped for Chile at senior level, scores goals, and most recently played for Vancouver in the MLS where he had 95 appearances for 29 goals and 12 assists.

In ten seasons he's only missed 20 games due to injuries - and he has not missed a game since a 5 game lay off from a calf injury in 2015.

Did I mention that this bloke is a midfielder that actually scores goals ? Also very handy with free kicks.
We'd only need him for a year - so his age should not be a factor.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/pedro-morales/profil/spieler/75314

Opinions ?

[Wilso8948]

Blokes a ringer for Darius Boyd

[furns]

Pedro Morales 32 year old Attacking Midfielder. Has been capped for Chile at senior level, scores goals, and most recently played for Vancouver in the MLS where he had 95 appearances for 29 goals and 12 assists.

In ten seasons he's only missed 20 games due to injuries - and he has not missed a game since a 5 game lay off from a calf injury in 2015.

Did I mention that this bloke is a midfielder that actually scores goals ? Also very handy with free kicks.
We'd only need him for a year - so his age should not be a factor.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/pedro-morales/profil/spieler/75314

Opinions ?looks a really good option. Would be interesting to see if he's the sort of player we would stump up enough money for.
Would he be interested in leaving the Chilean league considering he only just moved back there? Also in the unlikely event he does come, he plays as a no. 10 - what about Brown and Dimi?

Someone tweet Griff

[StannyCFCJET]

looks a really good option. Would be interesting to see if he's the sort of player we would stump up enough money for.
Would he be interested in leaving the Chilean league considering he only just moved back there? Also in the unlikely event he does come, he plays as a no. 10 - what about Brown and Dimi?

Someone tweet Griff

Brown is an 8. Not a 10 and Dimi im pretty sure has played most of his career on the flanks so not sure where Merrick gets the number 10 Dimi stuff from

[furns]

Agree Brown is an #8 but was rarely played there. Hopefully Bernie deploys him where he is most effective.
Morales would be a great pickup. Playing him in behind a front three of Nabbout, Dimi and O'DonkeyVan and thats looking quite tasty. Shame it will probably never happen.

[The Dunster]

looks a really good option. Would be interesting to see if he's the sort of player we would stump up enough money for.
Would he be interested in leaving the Chilean league considering he only just moved back there? Also in the unlikely event he does come, he plays as a no. 10 - what about Brown and Dimi?

Someone tweet Griff

I'd say Morales left Vancouver because he refused to play for a team that would sign a John West tuna eating f-wit like Bernie Ibini.

Morales was on $US1.4m in 2015 and $US1.26m in 2016. But considering Vancouver Real Estate prices make Sydney look cheap the club could probably snag him for $US1 million or thereabouts playing the lifestyle / affordable city card.

[The Camel]

Brown is an 8. Not a 10 and Dimi im pretty sure has played most of his career on the flanks so not sure where Merrick gets the number 10 Dimi stuff from

Lucky Merrick has watched the guy play then coz you obviously haven't. Dimi played pretty much all his Brisbane football as a 10. The likes of Borello Broich Oar and Arana were their wide players . The bloke is a 10

[MFKS]

Lucky Merrick has watched the guy play then coz you obviously haven't. Dimi played pretty much all his Brisbane football as a 10. The likes of Borello Broich Oar and Arana were their wide players . The bloke is a 10

So where he play when Holman rocked up??

[plague]

Lucky Merrick has watched the guy play then coz you obviously haven't. Dimi played pretty much all his Brisbane football as a 10. The likes of Borello Broich Oar and Arana were their wide players . The bloke is a 10

Oh I'd argue that having Broich and Corona in that team meant that even though he stood up near the striker he was no where near the teams creative player, which I'm assuming we all mean by a #10 right?

[StannyCFCJET]

Lucky Merrick has watched the guy play then coz you obviously haven't. Dimi played pretty much all his Brisbane football as a 10. The likes of Borello Broich Oar and Arana were their wide players . The bloke is a 10

Only times Dimi played Central was CM during his last season at the Roar

[The Dunster]

Song Jin-hyung is off contract at the end of June.

Make the call Griffo and bring him back home to Newcastle.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jin-hyung-song/profil/spieler/69961

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/A+League+Rd+20+Jets+v+Fury+Tmmsbh8mByJx.jpg

[Tommyjet]

Only times Dimi played Central was CM during his last season at the Roar

Wrong

[leftrightout]

Song Jin-hyung is off contract at the end of June.

Make the call Griffo and bring him back home to Newcastle.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jin-hyung-song/profil/spieler/69961

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/A+League+Rd+20+Jets+v+Fury+Tmmsbh8mByJx.jpg

Ahh one can only dream!

[plague]

look at those empty seats. jesus we're embarrassing.

[MFKS]

look at those empty seats. jesus we're embarrassing.

Playing in a 33k capacity stadium is the ****ing problem

Should never have built Stade de Newy so ****ing big
25k would have sufficed

The money spent making the two stands so ****ing large could have been better spent on doing smaller stands and having the cash to do the ends of the ground up

But no

Not in Newy

[The Camel]

Song Jin-hyung is off contract at the end of June.

Make the call Griffo and bring him back home to Newcastle.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jin-hyung-song/profil/spieler/69961

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/A+League+Rd+20+Jets+v+Fury+Tmmsbh8mByJx.jpg

That would be awesome

[Jeterpool]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4740130/mitch-hopes-return-proves-magic-tonic/?cs=306


The Jets have two places to fill on the their 23-man roster, earmarked for visa players.

“At present we don’t have any spots available,” Jets boss Lawrie McKinna said. “But if anyone is doing well in the local premier league we are keen to bring them in for a look. It might not be for something straight away but there are injury replacements and other opportunities down the track.”


While not a direct Lawrie quote, it looks like the remaining two spots coud go to visa players. Does that rule out a move for Nathan Burns?

[The Camel]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4740130/mitch-hopes-return-proves-magic-tonic/?cs=306



While not a direct Lawrie quote, it looks like the remaining two spots coud go to visa players. Does that rule out a move for Nathan Burns?

Hopefully it means we are signing Song :thumbsup:

[MonkeyKplunk]

Hopefully it means we are signing Song :thumbsup:

*singing song ;)

[borat]

Anyone else picking up pot & kettle specs on this one?

Basically, all those crickets chirping and tumbleweeds rolling on by hey......

[The Camel]

Scott Jamieson returning home for family reasons from Sweden. Would love an extra squad place to sign him as left back and be able to play Georgevski at right back

[Grimario]

Vidosic has been released by Seongnam as well.

[Jeterpool]

Vidosic has been released by Seongnam as well.

Nailed on for Adelaide but would go for him.

[borat]

You stated there is zero percent chance he signed for 60% of what he was on. That's not an opinion. You're talking as if you have seen his pay cheque and you seem to be writing everyone else's opinion off when they disagree with you. I haven't said you are incorrect. But I was offering the flip side of your argument. You're getting a bit worked up now. I've been a wanker on numerous occasions in my life but fail to see how I am being one here.

This is the squad thread and I am interested in the salary cap and how this club divides the cap amongst the squad. Its of interest to me, its of interest to journalists and its of interest to plenty of others. I don't believe it takes much nous to deduce that I am not in possession of the tax returns of 23 of our squad but it is possible to estimate based on past earnings, reports and tips from well placed sources. This is, of course, my opinion and not a certainty. Once again, kind of obvious I would have thought. Offering "a flipside" is not repeatedly telling some one they have "no idea" or are "naive". If I was posting about whatever shitty car/motorbike parts you are flogging today I would agree that I had no idea, but this I do.

If you only want to only discuss the salary cap in terms of what is an absolute certainty then all the best with that, will make for some excellent off season reading..............

[Grimario]

Nailed on for Adelaide but would go for him.

You reckon? Could join his dad in Wellington.