The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[Skirt Boy]

And the guy on $120k a year knows full well that he's not going to have that cheque long, if he doesn't get skilled up to find a new job then that's on him/her. Plus they will have decent welfare to fall back on in SBs world so don't worry too much.

This here is why the country is going to the shitter. Plague picked out only the negative without realising the other changes that are related. IE rent caps, better welfare/unemployment support. My old next door neighbour voted for the LNP simply because of the FRanking Credits mess..........Thinking he was going to lose out even though he lived in Dept of Housing property and has never worked in his life due to Polio.

I could sit here and tear most of this socialist dream apart piece by piece

But let's just focus on 6 and 15

Why exactly are you suggesting initiatives that will institutionalise racism and sexism ??

Considering the left are all for Equal Opportunity and all that BS .....

Why exactly are you wanting to force weaker candidates into education opportunities over others who achieved better on merit and you do so based on their alleged victim status levels and secondly why do you wish to force quotas in parliament where you are trying to put token candidates in their based on their sex or race??
If they are good enough they get voted in the first place. There is a perfectly good reason why there is a small supply of women in parliament. The public does not vote based on whether the candidates have a vagina or not. They actually vote on who they think is the better candidate

Here is a giant problem with your stance you are actually trying to force ideas into practice that are sexist and racist in nature all the while failing to accept a merit based system

Racist or Sexist? Far from it. Barriers to education are significant for people from low socio-economic and Indigenous backgrounds. Recognising such people face a disadvantage is not being racist or sexist.

Proportional representation in parliament is not what you think it means. It means that if a political party gets 9% of the vote they get 9% of the members based on a party list elected by it's members. (what they do in Germany)

[Frodo]

There are only a few guarantees in life
Just being born into the right family isn't one.

Everyone has opportunities and challenges

You though seem to be focused on the rich as you seem to envy and be jealous of them

There is only one man on the planet that I am envious of and if you are that worried about what others have and have not then that says more about you and your failings as a human

Standard Member, I question your point and instead of proving yourself you just side step it and make a completely different incorrect statement.

You said success comes from hard work and I have more than enough proof to the contrary.

Also, I don't envy the successful, I'm just paying enough attention to know that the game is rigged for everyone. It's rigged against the poor, the lower-class and the middle-class. Current capitalism is the carrot on stick trick and we are all chasing down something we will never get.

[MFKS]

This here is why the country is going to the shitter. Plague picked out only the negative without realising the other changes that are related. IE rent caps, better welfare/unemployment support. My old next door neighbour voted for the LNP simply because of the FRanking Credits mess..........Thinking he was going to lose out even though he lived in Dept of Housing property and has never worked in his life due to Polio.



Racist or Sexist? Far from it. Barriers to education are significant for people from low socio-economic and Indigenous backgrounds. Recognising such people face a disadvantage is not being racist or sexist.

Proportional representation in parliament is not what you think it means. It means that if a political party gets 9% of the vote they get 9% of the members based on a party list elected by it's members. (what they do in Germany)

Recognising the barriers they face isn't racist or sexist??
But what is putting in place legislation that will punish people on merit??

So if some kid scrapes into the top 10% we are going to kick them out and put someone in who didn't achieve the same results and we will pick this person out based on either the vagina skin colour or some other obscure reason like their sexual preference??

That pretty ****ed up that you are advocating for racist and sexist policies yet don't see that what you are interested in seeing is racist and sexist in nature


Affirmative action policies in USA have been shown to actually victimise Asian immigrants. The same kids who bust their arses to study hard to get the grades. Yet the system punishes them to promote African American Latino and women not as worthy as them

[MFKS]

Standard Member, I question your point and instead of proving yourself you just side step it and make a completely different incorrect statement.

You said success comes from hard work and I have more than enough proof to the contrary.

Also, I don't envy the successful, I'm just paying enough attention to know that the game is rigged for everyone. It's rigged against the poor, the lower-class and the middle-class. Current capitalism is the carrot on stick trick and we are all chasing down something we will never get.

You do envy the successful
You support the concept of things being fair and balanced in life
You want the rich taxed more yet they are the ones already paying the bulk of taxes as it is

How about we have a flat rate of for argument's sake 35% tax for everyone
Whether that be the bloke working 10 hours a week or James Packer
We take 35% off everyone and stop victimising the successful ones to pay for the lazy

[Frodo]

You do envy the successful
You support the concept of things being fair and balanced in life
You want the rich taxed more yet they are the ones already paying the bulk of taxes as it is

How about we have a flat rate of for argument's sake 35% tax for everyone
Whether that be the bloke working 10 hours a week or James Packer
We take 35% off everyone and stop victimising the successful ones to pay for the lazy

You don't read good, do you? That's exactly what I proposed. A flat tax rate. You have been arguing against it.

The rich don't pay more, I already showed you that they pay less in proportion to their income and you got upset. A flat tax rate would solve that. Thank you for swinging around aimlessly only to come to the correct conclusion.

[MFKS]

You don't read good, do you? That's exactly what I proposed. A flat tax rate. You have been arguing against it.

The rich don't pay more, I already showed you that they pay less in proportion to their income and you got upset. A flat tax rate would solve that. Thank you for swinging around aimlessly only to come to the correct conclusion.

But we have a tax rate at the moment where the more you earn the more you are taxed

FFS ****s earning 20k don't pay a Zac to society

A flat rate is gonna punish them more than the better earners

[plague]

This here is why the country is going to the shitter. Plague picked out only the negative without realising the other changes that are related.

nah.im just doing them one at a time.

[plague]

Current capitalism is the carrot on stick trick and we are all chasing down something we will never get.

actually this is a great point and an interesting question.

what is it exactly that you want?

(no Arsenal related answers allowed. you must answer properly).

[plague]

It means that if a political party gets 9% of the vote they get 9% of the members based on a party list elected by it's members. (what they do in Germany)

yeah for sure this isnt a wrong argument, neither is first past the post per seat in Australia (**** preferences, **** those asshole 'king makers').
But America is the best example of this not being fair. if you govern for California and New York (and surrounding areas) you can neglect the rest of the country and maybe win. conversely if you only govern for 'the south' then you can also be king.

and if you know anything about America, its that you dont want anyone from 'the south' dictating policy.

[Skirt Boy]

nah.im just doing them one at a time.

But that is exactly what people like the Member and the boomers do.

The result is governments can't introduce wide ranging reforms that are really needed because the opposition and the idiots will focus on a particular issue that will look bad when really, when taken in context with other reforms is a really ****ing good idea.

[Skirt Boy]

yeah for sure this isnt a wrong argument, neither is first past the post per seat in Australia (**** preferences, **** those asshole 'king makers').
But America is the best example of this not being fair. if you govern for California and New York (and surrounding areas) you can neglect the rest of the country and maybe win. conversely if you only govern for 'the south' then you can also be king.

and if you know anything about America, its that you dont want anyone from 'the south' dictating policy.

Ideally you would have a mixed system. 150 as is the case now and 150 elected by proportional representation. Party discipline then becomes harder to maintain and marginal seats and the capitol cities would lose influence through pork barrelling.

[plague]

But that is exactly what people like the Member and the boomers do.

The result is governments can't introduce wide ranging reforms that are really needed because the opposition and the idiots will focus on a particular issue that will look bad when really, when taken in context with other reforms is a really ****ing good idea.

wait, you're somehow hopeful people wont vote due to self interest?

you've met humans before right?

[plague]

Ideally you would have a mixed system. 150 as is the case now and 150 elected by proportional representation. Party discipline then becomes harder to maintain and marginal seats and the capitol cities would lose influence through pork barrelling.

you realise that 'the independants' never vote on the merits of a bill. they vote on the outcomes that they can wrangle from a deal their power commands.
Xeonphon made an artform out of it. he wasnt there for 'you'. he was there for him. dont be the sucker that thinks otherwise.

Pauline Hansen is actually the most principled of all the pollies in that house at the moment and i think shes a raving bigot. but her bigotry seemingly cant be bought off like the rest.

[plague]

anyone who had 'Maccas' for being the front line for fighting racism in Australia please pass go and get your $200.

[MFKS]

But that is exactly what people like the Member and the boomers do.

The result is governments can't introduce wide ranging reforms that are really needed because the opposition and the idiots will focus on a particular issue that will look bad when really, when taken in context with other reforms is a really ****ing good idea.

Maybe because your ideas are flawed in concept

Free Education that means some ****s has to pay for it

We currently have a system in Oz where free education is available to those up to completion of high school

You want the ****ers getting further education to get it for free. Well currently they are paying for it. You think that someone else should pay for it for them. I think the current system is fair

You use it you pay for it
Why should I pay for your choices??

That is the problem with most of your ideas. They sound great on but when you go through them it means someone else is getting a bill just so someone else can get something for free

Next time I go out for dinner are you gonna come by and settle my bill??
Didn't think so.
Because that is what you are asking others to do so they can get the free health care transport education and whatever else you want

It is also why the deranged leftists fall in a hole when they try putting this out for voters
The young dumb and naive think that's great free shit
Anyone with half a brain who has had to take on some responsibility in the world sees straight through their BS and it gets nowhere

[Macca]

Maybe because your ideas are flawed in concept

Free Education that means some ****s has to pay for it

We currently have a system in Oz where free education is available to those up to completion of high school

You want the ****ers getting further education to get it for free. Well currently they are paying for it. You think that someone else should pay for it for them. I think the current system is fair

You use it you pay for it
Why should I pay for your choices??

That is the problem with most of your ideas. They sound great on but when you go through them it means someone else is getting a bill just so someone else can get something for free

Next time I go out for dinner are you gonna come by and settle my bill??
Didn't think so.
Because that is what you are asking others to do so they can get the free health care transport education and whatever else you want

It is also why the deranged leftists fall in a hole when they try putting this out for voters
The young dumb and naive think that's great free shit
Anyone with half a brain who has had to take on some responsibility in the world sees straight through their BS and it gets nowhere

The problem with putting it out with voters is the lies that have been peddled by the media to give people ownership of government spending, because it's "their" money because they pay taxes. When government spends money they're spending "their money" that they had to go work for. How dare you go spend my money on something I don't like?

The other crock is selling the notion that government financials and budgets are equivalent and comparable to household budgets, and that if government has debt, then that's bad and needs to be fixed asap, since everyone knows debt is bad.

[Skirt Boy]

Just honest mistakes yeah?

**** off. It's systemic. It may be small change to a single worker but overall you are talking huge money. Gaol the bastards.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/wo...b-33b44f661aee

[plague]

Just honest mistakes yeah?

**** off. It's systemic. It may be small change to a single worker but overall you are talking huge money. Gaol the bastards.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/wo...b-33b44f661aee

so a company self investigating, reporting and correcting (and senior management copping a financial hit personally) is 'systemic'.

if so they are the shittiest crooks ever as their attempt to "screw the werkers" affected less than 3% of their workforce.

your one example, of one company, who's error affected less than 3% of staff is not how 'systemic' works.


i totally agree that there are bastard bosses out there. id absolutely contend that intentional abuses of the law are significantly higher in the small business world rather than the evil multinationals you all seem to despise.


if you all wanna get a taste of what is involved, attached is the NSW retail award. Feel free to have a read and see if you can pinpoint where mistakes could be made. it only takes one payroll officer to get one amount wrong and by the time anyone checks it it could be across multiple staff over multiple years.

of course there have been several attempts to streamline to award system to try and make it easier to understand how much you have to pay your staff every week.
but ill let you read up on why it never gets looked at.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleD...guide.pdf.aspx

[Skirt Boy]

so a company self investigating, reporting and correcting (and senior management copping a financial hit personally) is 'systemic'.

if so they are the shittiest crooks ever as their attempt to "screw the werkers" affected less than 3% of their workforce.

your one example, of one company, who's error affected less than 3% of staff is not how 'systemic' works.

Dude they are only self investigating because other companies have been caught out. Don't think for a second they are being all honest and rosey and looking after the workers here. It was deliberate. It was criminal. All to keep the bottom line looking good.

A few smaller players get caught out and the big companies basically shat themselves.

[Skirt Boy]

if you all wanna get a taste of what is involved, attached is the NSW retail award. Feel free to have a read and see if you can pinpoint where mistakes could be made. it only takes one payroll officer to get one amount wrong and by the time anyone checks it it could be across multiple staff over multiple years.

of course there have been several attempts to streamline to award system to try and make it easier to understand how much you have to pay your staff every week.
but ill let you read up on why it never gets looked at.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleD...guide.pdf.aspx

As a student of law and as a small business owner working out the correct pay rates is not a hard thing to do.

Job category - payment rate - hours worked - overtime worked - weekend hours worked -..................****ing easy.