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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Maybe because your ideas are flawed in concept

    Free Education that means some ****s has to pay for it

    We currently have a system in Oz where free education is available to those up to completion of high school

    You want the ****ers getting further education to get it for free. Well currently they are paying for it. You think that someone else should pay for it for them. I think the current system is fair

    You use it you pay for it
    Why should I pay for your choices??

    That is the problem with most of your ideas. They sound great on but when you go through them it means someone else is getting a bill just so someone else can get something for free

    Next time I go out for dinner are you gonna come by and settle my bill??
    Didn't think so.
    Because that is what you are asking others to do so they can get the free health care transport education and whatever else you want

    It is also why the deranged leftists fall in a hole when they try putting this out for voters
    The young dumb and naive think that's great free shit
    Anyone with half a brain who has had to take on some responsibility in the world sees straight through their BS and it gets nowhere
    The problem with putting it out with voters is the lies that have been peddled by the media to give people ownership of government spending, because it's "their" money because they pay taxes. When government spends money they're spending "their money" that they had to go work for. How dare you go spend my money on something I don't like?

    The other crock is selling the notion that government financials and budgets are equivalent and comparable to household budgets, and that if government has debt, then that's bad and needs to be fixed asap, since everyone knows debt is bad.

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    Just honest mistakes yeah?

    **** off. It's systemic. It may be small change to a single worker but overall you are talking huge money. Gaol the bastards.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/wo...b-33b44f661aee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    Just honest mistakes yeah?

    **** off. It's systemic. It may be small change to a single worker but overall you are talking huge money. Gaol the bastards.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/wo...b-33b44f661aee
    so a company self investigating, reporting and correcting (and senior management copping a financial hit personally) is 'systemic'.

    if so they are the shittiest crooks ever as their attempt to "screw the werkers" affected less than 3% of their workforce.

    your one example, of one company, who's error affected less than 3% of staff is not how 'systemic' works.


    i totally agree that there are bastard bosses out there. id absolutely contend that intentional abuses of the law are significantly higher in the small business world rather than the evil multinationals you all seem to despise.


    if you all wanna get a taste of what is involved, attached is the NSW retail award. Feel free to have a read and see if you can pinpoint where mistakes could be made. it only takes one payroll officer to get one amount wrong and by the time anyone checks it it could be across multiple staff over multiple years.

    of course there have been several attempts to streamline to award system to try and make it easier to understand how much you have to pay your staff every week.
    but ill let you read up on why it never gets looked at.

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleD...guide.pdf.aspx
    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
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    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    so a company self investigating, reporting and correcting (and senior management copping a financial hit personally) is 'systemic'.

    if so they are the shittiest crooks ever as their attempt to "screw the werkers" affected less than 3% of their workforce.

    your one example, of one company, who's error affected less than 3% of staff is not how 'systemic' works.
    Dude they are only self investigating because other companies have been caught out. Don't think for a second they are being all honest and rosey and looking after the workers here. It was deliberate. It was criminal. All to keep the bottom line looking good.

    A few smaller players get caught out and the big companies basically shat themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    It was deliberate. It was criminal.
    you sure you want to say that? because i dont think you have any facts to back this up.
    none at all.


    “Woolworths , you've committed fraud and wage theft, and you need to be prosecuted,” said user Simon Rosenberg.
    actually, you are in good company. A 'user' named.....oh who gives a **** who it is. anyway this dude said a thing on social media so the ****ing media reported it like it was someone who had something to do the issue. this is why Trump won.

    oh and Simon has one of those teardrops in his handle. Simon is sad about something. Simon seems sad about everything.

    dont be like Simon.
    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Seems like I am WRONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    you sure you want to say that? because i dont think you have any facts to back this up.
    none at all.

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    Even if they were honest mistakes. Being ignorant of the law or making mistakes does not stop a person from being held to account of a criminal matter.

    You're approach is basically saying. "Sorry man. I didn't think the person would die when I swerved causing him to go off the road and into a tree................."

    The only reason they are investigating themselves and being open about it, is to limit any possible criminal damages and civil lawsuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    Even if they were honest mistakes. Being ignorant of the law or making mistakes does not stop a person from being held to account of a criminal matter.

    You're approach is basically saying. "Sorry man. I didn't think the person would die when I swerved causing him to go off the road and into a tree................."
    nah.
    if i killed someone through negligence then im sure criminal proceedings would follow.

    if i underpay a staff member by accident then its not a criminal act.

    you keep telling me the you're a law man, find me the law that says accidently underpaying someone is a crime.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Seems like I am WRONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    if you all wanna get a taste of what is involved, attached is the NSW retail award. Feel free to have a read and see if you can pinpoint where mistakes could be made. it only takes one payroll officer to get one amount wrong and by the time anyone checks it it could be across multiple staff over multiple years.

    of course there have been several attempts to streamline to award system to try and make it easier to understand how much you have to pay your staff every week.
    but ill let you read up on why it never gets looked at.

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/ArticleD...guide.pdf.aspx
    As a student of law and as a small business owner working out the correct pay rates is not a hard thing to do.

    Job category - payment rate - hours worked - overtime worked - weekend hours worked -..................****ing easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    As a student of law and as a small business owner working out the correct pay rates is not a hard thing to do.

    Job category - payment rate - hours worked - overtime worked - weekend hours worked -..................****ing easy.

    39 pages of awards across 201,000 workers and you think your 5 steps to a perfect payroll is gonna fly here?


    while ever shit like this exists then people are gonna get it wrong.
    Cold work allowance - 0°C and above $0.30 per hour while so employed
    Cold work allowance - below 0°C $0.75 per hour while so employed

    pulling out the "yeah i know its 39 pages but ive condensed it to 5 steps and im right" is some Member level self tell.
    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Seems like I am WRONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    39 pages of awards across 201,000 workers and you think your 5 steps to a perfect payroll is gonna fly here?


    while ever shit like this exists then people are gonna get it wrong.



    pulling out the "yeah i know its 39 pages but ive condensed it to 5 steps and im right" is some Member level self tell.
    I take offence to that

    I could get it down to 3 steps

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    I take offence to that

    I could get it down to 3 steps
    apologies all round.

    (lets face it you wouldnt pay them anyway)
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Seems like I am WRONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    As a student of law and as a small business owner working out the correct pay rates is not a hard thing to do.

    Job category - payment rate - hours worked - overtime worked - weekend hours worked -..................****ing easy.
    My brief dealings with all of your five steps is somehow all five of them can be considered subjective, and all five get challenged regularly between employee & employer. Even if you think you nail any of the five, even the very first one gets disputed regularly, my experience is it's going to get challenged anyway. Not so easy, particularly when you're doing a plaguesey and off playing golf and letting others make these "subjective" decisions for you to cop the force of error of later.
    OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    My brief dealings with all of your five steps is somehow all five of them can be considered subjective, and all five get challenged regularly between employee & employer. Even if you think you nail any of the five, even the very first one gets disputed regularly, my experience is it's going to get challenged anyway. Not so easy, particularly when you're doing a plaguesey and off playing golf and letting others make these "subjective" decisions for you to cop the force of error of later.
    Don't give performance bonuses, targets and budgets to people who have to make the decisions on what pay scale an employee falls under.

    In this big drive to cut costs. Business are giving people certain responsibilities that they simply shouldn't have. If a floor manager has a budget on staff and a bonus if they meet a target what are they going to do?

    What they should be doing is going right.

    Employee: Skirt Boy

    Occupation Level 2.......Duties: XYZ...............Hours 38

    No deviation from those duties. If there is a deviation properly record it.

    Funnily enough what I'm suggesting would make shit easier and this problem wouldn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    Don't give performance bonuses, targets and budgets to people who have to make the decisions on what pay scale an employee falls under.

    In this big drive to cut costs. Business are giving people certain responsibilities that they simply shouldn't have. If a floor manager has a budget on staff and a bonus if they meet a target what are they going to do?

    What they should be doing is going right.

    Employee: Skirt Boy

    Occupation Level 2.......Duties: XYZ...............Hours 38

    No deviation from those duties. If there is a deviation properly record it.

    Funnily enough what I'm suggesting would make shit easier and this problem wouldn't exist.
    But not every job is black and white
    Conditions can change during shifts

    The problem your bitching about is human nature
    We are greedy muther****ers you ain't gonna ever legislate that out of existence


    Other thing that is pertinent with all you commy leftist types is that you love adding more and more rules more and more government more and more control on everything

    Why exactly is that??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirt Boy View Post
    Employee: Skirt Boy

    Occupation Level 2.......Duties: XYZ...............Hours 38

    No deviation from those duties. If there is a deviation properly record it.
    until you are short staffed and Skirt Boy gets asked to go in the deep freeze to get more cold cuts. dont forget to check the thermometer on the way through to know if its under or over zero degrees. All of a sudden Skirt Boy is in charge of more staff so how many hours did he do it for and was it after 12pm on a saturday
    how does your rate change there?
    you say 'properly record it'. Im not sure if youre aware of the systems in place in all these big retail operations but guess what, they aint foolproof.
    of course we can add 'more' managers in place to get the timesheets right but lets make sure those managers are in charge of the right amount of staff and dont need to go in the cool room etc etc etc. Maybe we need another level of management to make sure the managers are getting their timesheets



    but of course no one wants to pay more for their groceries in order to fund all these payroll increases do they.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Seems like I am WRONG

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