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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    We as a nation should be regularly on selling talent off shore
    its the chicken and egg thing though innit?

    Our youth is nowhere near the level of other nations is it? who wants to pay good money for something they can get from Asia/Africa (and dare we say middle east) now.


    but


    where does the money come from to improve the youth talent in the country.

    You hate that the parents pay for it.
    the governing body doesnt have the money.
    the clubs dont have the money.


    so where does it come from?

    hopefully the clubs, once they take over the league, make it worthwhile to themselves to develop, and sell, their talent.
    i fear its the only way forward.

    but is everyone hating on that method too?
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    so where does it come from?

    hopefully the clubs, once they take over the league, make it worthwhile to themselves to develop, and sell, their talent.
    i fear its the only way forward.
    You are 100% right. The only issue is if clubs choose to take the easy money[ ripping off parents with kids that will never cut it] or playing the long game and taking on the risk that they will be able to develop top level talent.

    Clubs have done it in the past - no reason why we can't again.

    However, I don't think we have the balance of technically gifted players and those with a winning at all costs mentality right just yet.

    A Kaz Patafta / Matt Simon hybrid is probably what we should be aiming for.

    Instead it seems like we are trying to turn every kid into a Kaz Patafta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    its the chicken and egg thing though innit?

    Our youth is nowhere near the level of other nations is it? who wants to pay good money for something they can get from Asia/Africa (and dare we say middle east) now.


    but


    where does the money come from to improve the youth talent in the country.

    You hate that the parents pay for it.
    the governing body doesnt have the money.
    the clubs dont have the money.


    so where does it come from?

    hopefully the clubs, once they take over the league, make it worthwhile to themselves to develop, and sell, their talent.
    i fear its the only way forward.

    but is everyone hating on that method too?
    Why is money the answer??

    Plenty of places on the planet produce footballers with very little cash spent on the process

    How about change of mentality being the issue

    Why keep recycling your Appuahs Hooles Nick Wards etc instead of playing the youth ??

    That the key problem

    How many managers out there give minimal opportunity to playing kids when there is no threat of relegation


    Clubs in the NSL use to have an interest in getting transfer fees

    Why has this now stopped under Lots failed franchise league model??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Why is money the answer??

    Plenty of places on the planet produce footballers with very little cash spent on the process
    where are these places?

    also, everything costs money. these kids gonna just wake up one day with the skills of Griff?

    Facilities cost money, equipment costs money, coaching costs money, sports science costs money, travel costs money.
    all of it costs money.
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    And I don't argue with FR. The bloke is a legend and deserves great praise for his contributions to football in the Hunter.
    He is also the second best poster on the entire Foz behind you
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    sometimes there's more to life than just winning
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    What a deadset ****ing coward **** you are
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    Seems like I am WRONG

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    where are these places?

    also, everything costs money. these kids gonna just wake up one day with the skills of Griff?

    Facilities cost money, equipment costs money, coaching costs money, sports science costs money, travel costs money.
    all of it costs money.
    Too true, just look at New Lambton Juniors this year, they have to train some teams on the hockey fields as they don't have enough fields to cater for the number of players they have.
    There simply isn't enough money in Australian football to support junior development as it is don in other codes.

    We aren't other countries, we're our own and we have to deal with our own problems. Whilst our systems are far from perfect, too many armchair critics make a much bigger deal about how bad it is than is truly the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plague View Post
    where are these places?

    also, everything costs money. these kids gonna just wake up one day with the skills of Griff?

    Facilities cost money, equipment costs money, coaching costs money, sports science costs money, travel costs money.
    all of it costs money.
    Costs? ?

    Going outside and kicking a ball about is free you know??

    For all the money spent on academies and specialised coaching in Oz what does it provide for us??

    Sweet **** all

    Nations with a fraction of our spending are producing superior talents as money isn't required


    What you harped on about money facilities sports science training equipment etc shows exactly where this sport is ****ed in this country

    It all about money and people wanting to squeeze money from the game for self benefit at all costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFKS View Post
    Costs? ?

    Going outside and kicking a ball about is free you know??

    For all the money spent on academies and specialised coaching in Oz what does it provide for us??

    Sweet **** all

    Nations with a fraction of our spending are producing superior talents as money isn't required


    What you harped on about money facilities sports science training equipment etc shows exactly where this sport is ****ed in this country

    It all about money and people wanting to squeeze money from the game for self benefit at all costs
    Nations with a fraction of our costs, bureaucracy, etc, etc as well.

    Also how many of these players you speak of have gone from playing on the street to playing professionally without also being picked up by an academy, etc?

    Lets look at a couple of great players from the current or past......

    Modric - Started at a sporting academy at 7 YO

    Kaka - São Paulo Academy at 8 YO

    Neymar - Santos Academy at 11 YO

    Aguero - Independiente Academy 9 YO

    Suarez - Urreta FC academy at 7 YO

    Iniesta - Barcelona youth academy at 12 YO

    Zidane - Cannes at 14 YO

    These players almost universally have their abilities identified at a young age and are provided training at a high standard. Yes practicing at home or the park constantly will help but at some stage they need something more than that.

    How many other players came through those same academies at the same stage and did not become professional footballers? I would say the vast majority and these countries have more kids playing football than we do in Oz.

    I think it's absolutely ridiculous to think our academies should be capable of churning out national or world class players regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aegon View Post
    Nations with a fraction of our costs, bureaucracy, etc, etc as well.

    Also how many of these players you speak of have gone from playing on the street to playing professionally without also being picked up by an academy, etc?

    Lets look at a couple of great players from the current or past......

    Modric - Started at a sporting academy at 7 YO

    Kaka - São Paulo Academy at 8 YO

    Neymar - Santos Academy at 11 YO

    Aguero - Independiente Academy 9 YO

    Suarez - Urreta FC academy at 7 YO

    Iniesta - Barcelona youth academy at 12 YO

    Zidane - Cannes at 14 YO

    These players almost universally have their abilities identified at a young age and are provided training at a high standard. Yes practicing at home or the park constantly will help but at some stage they need something more than that.

    How many other players came through those same academies at the same stage and did not become professional footballers? I would say the vast majority and these countries have more kids playing football than we do in Oz.

    I think it's absolutely ridiculous to think our academies should be capable of churning out national or world class players regularly.
    Nearly all them academies you mentioned are run on the smell of an.oily rag money wise and have piss poor facilities compared to the likes the EJ have out at Speeds Point

    As for your last point Croatia has a population of approx 4 million
    They ain't wealthy by any stretch of the imagination
    They regularly produce world class footballers and just played in the WC Final last year

    To claim that we can't be producing world class talent regularly when they can with less resources than we have is the most ridiculous thing that you have written


    We in.reality are just poor at what we do

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