The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[plague]

That's an ideological perspective which numerous empirical studies have proven to be false.

The biggest creators or red tape and compliance are the private sector not governments.

Joe Hockey found this out the hard way when he commissioned a report into productivity in Australia using Deloitte [Chris Richardson and friends].

The report was released at the end of October 2014 and anyone wanting to register at http://www2.deloitte.com/au/en/pages...r-own-way.html can have a good laugh at neo-liberal ideology chocking itself to death.



Estimates suggest that reducing this self imposed compliance would add around 1.6% to GDP.

The biggest problem with neo-liberals in general is that they build models based on ideological assumptions rather than facts and then wonder why they tie themselves in knots.

Ha ha, keep believing that.
Or you could own your own business and see first hand some of the ridiculous shit you need to go through.

What governments (of all persuasions) lack sometimes is some common sense because they tend to be full of people with lots of experience reading studies and not many with any practical experience in the field.

As for red tape, we live in litigious society. When law makers (governments) allow us to waltz through life with zero personal accountability then it's a constant battle for everyone to cover their own asses every step of the way.

So yeah, in a big way governments contribute to the mess.

[The Dunster]

Ha ha, keep believing that.
Or you could own your own business and see first hand some of the ridiculous shit you need to go through.

What governments (of all persuasions) lack sometimes is some common sense because they tend to be full of people with lots of experience reading studies and not many with any practical experience in the field.

As for red tape, we live in litigious society. When law makers (governments) allow us to waltz through life with zero personal accountability then it's a constant battle for everyone to cover their own asses every step of the way.

So yeah, in a big way governments contribute to the mess.

I respect what you are saying Plague as it is a commonly held belief among many business types. But unfortunately the evidence suggests that our economy is ruled by oligarchy rather than democracy.

Governments are part of the problem but they are not the source of the problem.

Chicago School economist George Stigler in a 1971 paper titled "The Theory of Economic Regulation: suggested that governments do not create monopolies in industries by accident.

He argued that governments regulate at the behest of producers who “capture” the regulatory agency and use regulation to prevent competition.

This stance is pretty much universally accepted by both academics and business types - especially the small producers that are more efficient and yet unable to penetrate the market due to simply being too small.

Capture Theory is the raison d'etre for lobby groups. And if the recent events in NSW state politics haven't opened your eyes up to this nothing in the world would convince you otherwise.

Moreover, since Stigler's paper in 1971 businesses have sought to stifle competition not only external to their business but from within it as well via HR departments, micromanagement and so on.

The real victims though are small business as the lobby groups might pretend to be on the side of small business but the evidence to suggest otherwise is overwhelming both empirically and anecdotally.

[plague]

the evidence suggests that our economy is ruled by oligarchy rather than democracy.

Governments are part of the problem but they are not the source of the problem.

Chicago School economist George Stigler in a 1971 paper titled "The Theory of Economic Regulation: suggested that governments do not create monopolies in industries by accident.

He argued that governments regulate at the behest of producers who “capture” the regulatory agency and use regulation to prevent competition.

This stance is pretty much universally accepted by both academics and business types - especially the small producers that are more efficient and yet unable to penetrate the market due to simply being too small.

Capture Theory is the raison d'etre for lobby groups. And if the recent events in NSW state politics haven't opened your eyes up to this nothing in the world would convince you otherwise.

Moreover, since Stigler's paper in 1971 businesses have sought to stifle competition not only external to their business but from within it as well via HR departments, micromanagement and so on.

The real victims though are small business as the lobby groups might pretend to be on the side of small business but the evidence to suggest otherwise is overwhelming both empirically and anecdotally.

yeah agree on this but i think the root of all the problem is greed. like it or not 99.9% of the population is affected by it. governments are charged with trying to point the needle in the right place between giving people something to aspire to and to achieve their dreams, and making sure that the people above you dont block you achieving it. sadly there is no real perfect position. different viewpoints all think that the power should lie with the employer, the employee, or the govt itself. somewhere in the middle is prob the answer but good luck agreeing on it.
as for the pollies, corruption and the like were going on well before the latest batch. i gave up thinking pollies from either persuasion gave a toss long long long ago. sadly power corrupts people in all walks of life be they pollies, business leaders, sports stars or union officials.

oh and lobby groups......dont start me. a pox on all their houses.

[baldrick]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA

[Buddha]

Not really politics related but if you haven't heard, Armed hold up in the Lindt Cafe in Martin Place by ISIS follower/Member

[Grimario]

Only reported as ISIS by everyone... turns out is not ISIS flag being shown.

Not that it matters, really.

****ing hell.

[Buddha]

It has been shown mate, they keep moving it from window to window.

And who said ISIS wasn't a real threat

[Grimario]

It has been shown mate, they keep moving it from window to window.

And who said ISIS wasn't a real threat

It's not an ISIS flag though.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...m=122&ie=UTF-8

It's a Shahada flag.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...a+flag&spell=1

[Buddha]

It's not an ISIS flag though.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...m=122&ie=UTF-8

It's a Shahada flag.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=i...a+flag&spell=1

Well spotted, still ****ed and should be killed

[plague]

It's times like these there should be a cooling off period before Pollies are allowed to speak.
Can only imagine the crap that's going to start coming out of the hippies and rednecks alike.

[Grimario]

Channel 9 have just asked a business owner in Martin Place "how much money will you lose today because of this?"

****ing hell.

[The Dunster]

Can't wait for Robert Dillon to link this to HSG and the Jets.

[MFKS]

Not really politics related but if you haven't heard, Armed hold up in the Lindt Cafe in Martin Place by ISIS follower/Member

It ain't me and I take offence to being associated with anything to do with going to a coffee shop. Rather go for a beer than sit around with hipster lefty clowns sipping lattes

Buddha you reckon you know where to find me come down and confirm it ain't me then cause you will know exactly where to find me

[Buddha]

Why the **** are people bagging Abbott for not doing anything? It's all happened so quickly that he wouldn't even have had a chance to even think about it before a meeting would have been called, leave it to the Police to deal with it.

[pv4]

Why the **** are people bagging Abbott for not doing anything? It's all happened so quickly that he wouldn't even have had a chance to even think about it before a meeting would have been called, leave it to the Police to deal with it.

People seem too caught up in the whole movie fantasy that the Obama type figure is meant to sort all these things out.

I've seen somewhere that they have a picture of his face now. Surely this will draw to a close very soon.

[Buddha]

It ain't me and I take offence to being associated with anything to do with going to a coffee shop. Rather go for a beer than sit around with hipster lefty clowns sipping lattes

Buddha you reckon you know where to find me come down and confirm it ain't me then cause you will know exactly where to find me

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

[Buddha]

People seem too caught up in the whole movie fantasy that the Obama type figure is meant to sort all these things out.

I've seen somewhere that they have a picture of his face now. Surely this will draw to a close very soon.

Let the TAC squad deal with this and don't give them anything, they want exposure, they want the PM to deal with it, don't let them, it's the typical terrorism play straight from the playbook

[The Dunster]

Let the TAC squad deal with this and don't give them anything, they want exposure, they want the PM to deal with it, don't let them, it's the typical terrorism play straight from the playbook

And yet we are all commenting about it on an open forum. The horse has already bolted.

[pv4]

And yet we are all commenting about it on an open forum. The horse has already bolted.

The very fact that the world found out about it mostly from a news site showing pictures of the hostages in the window - the situation was fxxxed from the start.

[Grimario]

It's directly across the road from C7 in Sydney... surely it's all about media exposure for them.