The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[snake]

Firstly my position is not irrational.

It is my opinion. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it irrational.

I don't agree with your opinion but that doesn't make it irrational. You feel the way you do for whatever reasons you do. That's fine your welcome to do so


As for my thoughts on Evolution I believe in the good book. Evolution and the good book clash in their views.
I go with what I have chosen to accept and embrace.

You on the other go with the Evolution belief at the expense of the good book.
You go with what you have chosen to accept and embrace.

One thing that does concern me though is your claim that it is FACT.
It was once FACT that the world was flat. Look how that panned out

It is believed to be correct by some would be a better way of putting it.

it's not irrational because i disagree with it. it's irrational because it starts from irrational preumptions and is poorly argued.

at least i can give you credit for your approach to evolution. if your bible books are correct, evolution can't be. they are contradictory. someone ought to tell the pope.

a flat earth hypothesis was built on the strenght of evidence of personal experience. it certainly looks flat! however, it was shown by an egyption dude measuring the lenght of shadows of sticks in two different places at the same time that the earth was spherical (**** off pedants!).

interestingly though, that news didn't make it through in time to make it to the human authors of the bible:

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)

Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)

Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)

we know there is nowhere on earth visible from all other parts. that seems to contradict quite a bit of the above, dontchya think?

the evidence supporting evolution is a teency weency bit stronger than that supporting flat earth theory was. any theory that would supersede it has to expkain all that evidence, evidence which supports that all life on earth is related, descended from ancestors who are no longer here. none of which supports a personal, intelligent creation.

[Jetmaster]

One thing that does concern me though is your claim that it is FACT.
It was once FACT that the world was flat. Look how that panned out

It is believed to be correct by some would be a better way of putting it.

"There's only a bit of skin between the muckhole and the f***hole and if you slip, you're in the shit and thats a fact".

[militiamon]

interestingly though, that news didn't make it through in time to make it to the human authors of the bible:

ops:

[MFKS]

Just out of curiosity Snake as a person who puts his faith in scientific means and so called logic etc as you do what exactly are your take on various conspiracy theories.

Lets just start with the main ones in popular culture like JFK Assassination, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Moon Landing, Roswell etc

Are you a believer or a non believer??

Which ones and why???

[q-money]

ffs this thread keeps delivering

[plague]

Just out of curiosity Snake as a person who puts his faith in scientific means and so called logic etc as you do what exactly are your take on various conspiracy theories.

Lets just start with the main ones in popular culture like JFK Assassination, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Moon Landing, Roswell etc

Are you a believer or a non believer??

Which ones and why???

There is no way in hell (or the atheists version of it) that Snake is gonna get to hog all these questions.
Get out your tin hats fellas, ITS CONSPIRACY TIME!!!!!!

[plague]

In short:
1. JFK, Oswald def shot him. I don't believe the second gunman theory but Oswald was working on behalf of someone.
Jack Ruby was a Patriot.
2. 9/11, def just a bunch of pissed off Muslims.
3. Sandy Hook. Is there a conspiracy with this...........OH the goofy "kid in the photo a week later" thing? NO, this was a crazy person with a gun, and a sad indictment on the "more guns less crime" culture which i hope never infests our country. Besides, all kids, like Asians, look the same don't they?
4. Moon Landing. OH man, are you really going there? 100% legit.
5, Roswell. the Aliens and shit? whoa, this is great. No little green men here. Just a military plane or some tech they didn't want found.

Now, sadly all of these epic ones were before my time so (like God) I've had to rely on my interpretation of the info available.
the overwhelming thing for me is that eventually someone, somewhere, somehow would have legit dished the dirt on this stuff if there were any real conspiracies going on. Heck, even old 'deep throat' from Watergate couldn't keep his mouth shut till the end.

This is a fantastic tangent Member, can't wait to see where it all goes.

[MFKS]

In short:
1. JFK, Oswald def shot him. I don't believe the second gunman theory but Oswald was working on behalf of someone.
Jack Ruby was a Patriot.
2. 9/11, def just a bunch of pissed off Muslims.
3. Sandy Hook. Is there a conspiracy with this...........OH the goofy "kid in the photo a week later" thing? NO, this was a crazy person with a gun, and a sad indictment on the "more guns less crime" culture which i hope never infests our country. Besides, all kids, like Asians, look the same don't they?
4. Moon Landing. OH man, are you really going there? 100% legit.
5, Roswell. the Aliens and shit? whoa, this is great. No little green men here. Just a military plane or some tech they didn't want found.

Now, sadly all of these epic ones were before my time so (like God) I've had to rely on my interpretation of the info available.
the overwhelming thing for me is that eventually someone, somewhere, somehow would have legit dished the dirt on this stuff if there were any real conspiracies going on. Heck, even old 'deep throat' from Watergate couldn't keep his mouth shut till the end.

This is a fantastic tangent Member, can't wait to see where it all goes.

To say some **** hasn't tried to open their mouth to spill the beans is not necessarily a fair statement.

People involved in the JFK thing for a start died mysteriously. Not just the obvious ones like Shaw Ferrie Oswald Ruby but plenty of minor people who had some association to it all
Coincidence or silenced??

Opens up many doubts

[plague]

To say some **** hasn't tried to open their mouth to spill the beans is not necessarily a fair statement.

People involved in the JFK thing for a start died mysteriously. Not just the obvious ones like Shaw Ferrie Oswald Ruby but plenty of minor people who had some association to it all
Coincidence or silenced??

Opens up many doubts

Well Oswald died at the hands of a Patriot and Ruby died of cancer in jail didn't he?

Regardless of that the alter at which many truthers pray at (the Oliver Stone movie) has been itself the topic of much conjecture.
I just can't see how theres this secret society of govt super agents that go around knocking people off with absolutely no cracks in their mission.


too many Marvel movies has stained a generation.
besides the dodgy crap that the US govt did actually get up to in the olden days (iran contra, bay of pigs etc) were exposed straight away.
i just dont think BIG GOVT is capable of this level of shenannigans.

[MFKS]

Well Oswald died at the hands of a Patriot and Ruby died of cancer in jail didn't he?

Regardless of that the alter at which many truthers pray at (the Oliver Stone movie) has been itself the topic of much conjecture.
I just can't see how theres this secret society of govt super agents that go around knocking people off with absolutely no cracks in their mission.


too many Marvel movies has stained a generation.
besides the dodgy crap that the US govt did actually get up to in the olden days (iran contra, bay of pigs etc) were exposed straight away.
i just dont think BIG GOVT is capable of this level of shenannigans.

**** bringing the movie into it.That's just sensationalised parts of the story

Have read plenty of other books on the subject at hand. Whatever the official story is that is palmed off if Bullshit.
Not saying Oswald wasn't involved quite frankly have NFI

But there is no way he fired that gun with the precision they claim and there is no way the series of events transpired that the US government have palmed off is the truth

[plague]

So you think it's a U.S govt conspiracy?

[plague]

Cause I've got no problems if a different govt was involved in the idea of it. But then that kind of kills everyone's 9/11 theories.

[furns]

Updated thread title to warn sensible people to just sit back and watch the fun

[MFKS]

So you think it's a U.S govt conspiracy?

Whatever happened surrounding the assassination of JFK is definitely not what bullshit story they are palming off.

Not saying the US government were defo 100% involved in the bit before he died. May well have been
What went on after it though. Yes

There is no way their story of what transpired on 22-11-63 in Dallas is legit and they have manufactured a version of the truth that bears little resemblance to reality

[WolfMan]

Updated thread title to warn sensible people to just sit back and watch the fun

I like this post. I like my job. Let's go FIFA! Let's go FIFA!

[plague]

The whole truther argument falls flat with me because in order to go to war etc they never really need the presidents thumbs up anyway.
And as if pollies ever really care what Joe Schmo thinks anyway.

Knocking off your Prez/bringing down a bunch of buildings seems a wee bit of overkill.

[MFKS]

The whole truther argument falls flat with me because in order to go to war etc they never really need the presidents thumbs up anyway.
And as if pollies ever really care what Joe Schmo thinks anyway.

Knocking off your Prez/bringing down a bunch of buildings seems a wee bit of overkill.

They actually only need Congress to agree.

That also being said the President has influence and if he is against something the plebs in the government tend to tow the line and it doesn't get the support

Kennedy was cutting back US involvement in Vietnam and withdrawing troops.

His death occurred and 4 days later LBJ signed a reversal of this policy and started sending more troops
(considering 2 of those 4 days were a weekend seems a pretty impressive and quick turnaround)



As for knocking off a president and bringing down a bunch of buildings being overkill.

Politicians who constantly lie to the people every other day of the week are now telling the truth???
Secret Operatives who rig elections assassinate foreign leaders and manipulate the world we live in wouldn't take out a president and knock a couple of buildings over???

Small price to pay to justify the end if you ask me

[boz-monaut]

[snake]

wat

[MFKS]

wat

Just out of curiosity Snake as a person who puts his faith in scientific means and so called logic etc as you do what exactly are your take on various conspiracy theories.

Lets just start with the main ones in popular culture like JFK Assassination, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Moon Landing, Roswell etc

Are you a believer or a non believer??

Which ones and why???

Was my question to you.

Ignore Plague interjecting and me throwing a couple of bones to keep him entertained in the meantime.

It is sidetracking to what we are discussing here and this is your beliefs in science and logic being right.

Floors yours.