Insert Name Here aka The Ownership Thread

[plague]

Don't know about anyone else but I find this picture offensive considering it is in reference to the nationality of someone who could possibly be the new owner of our club.
What connection is there to an obviously wealthy Chinese businessman and the 1989 Tiannamin Massacre of Chinese students by the Communist Red Army?
Poor taste plague....very poor taste

nah, its funny and you don't have a sense of humour.

almost as funny as faux outrage.

but thats on you pal, not me.

[plague]

plus that bloke in front of the tank looks EXACTLY* like Furns.

Like, spitting image.

thats what makes it so funny.




*i have no idea if this is true

[halo se7en]

I'm being cautious. Having a read of some of the demands the Ledman Group made of the Portuguese 2nd Division when negotiating the naming rights, which were rejected, are concerning.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-division.html

Now these demands were rejected because the clubs all stuck together. We are one entity, owned by a governing body who have never been flushed with cash and have no long term interest in owning us. We as a club entity don't have the same power to negotiate on our own as the league did over there. Our negotiating position is weak because the FFA want us sold (though this could be in question with their actions at times).

If it's true, I wonder - are we going to see the Youth team full of young Chinese players? Are promising Chinese coaches going to be sent out here to try their luck in our league? Will we field Chinese players, regardless of their ability in an attempt to develop them, at the expense of our own local youth?

This may be seen as sky-is-falling type scenarios but everyone is on board with this guy without knowing ANYTHING about the deal. We see $$$ signs and lift our skirts.

Call me paranoid, but we've been bitten before and we might not get what we wish for. To convince me, I'm going to have to see more.

I don't think it's that big a concern. He wanted to take across 10 Chinese players for 10 clubs. That's not a large %. It was rejected and he went through with the sponsorship anyway so it's not like he spat the dummy and ran. It's also a sign that he cares about footballers from his own country - that's not a bad thing. At least he cares about football.

He can't do the same thing here because he has no hold over the league. If he wants to use our 5 foreign spots for 5 Chinese players, who cares as long as they're good enough. For all the Brazilians, Serbs, Croats, Poms, Dutch, Argentinians, Koreans, Fins(?), Norwegians etc. that we've had, how many have been any good? I'm not interested in the Jets representing the U.N. I also can't see them bringing over sub-standard players when they're probably better off staying home anyway - unlike Portugal for their better players which would have been a helpful shop window to the rest of Europe.

Are there any restrictions on foreigners in the Youth league? I haven't heard of one but it probably hasn't been a thing before. If there is a restriction, there isn't much to worry about there either. At the end of day, I'd rather an owner that's keeping our club afloat and offering 50% opportunity to local kids, then no club.

[stopper2]

I don't think it's that big a concern. He wanted to take across 10 Chinese players for 10 clubs. That's not a large %. It was rejected and he went through with the sponsorship anyway so it's not like he spat the dummy and ran. It's also a sign that he cares about footballers from his own country - that's not a bad thing. At least he cares about football.

He can't do the same thing here because he has no hold over the league. If he wants to use our 5 foreign spots for 5 Chinese players, who cares as long as they're good enough. For all the Brazilians, Serbs, Croats, Poms, Dutch, Argentinians, Koreans, Fins(?), Norwegians etc. that we've had, how many have been any good? I'm not interested in the Jets representing the U.N. I also can't see them bringing over sub-standard players when they're probably better off staying home anyway - unlike Portugal for their better players which would have been a helpful shop window to the rest of Europe.

Are there any restrictions on foreigners in the Youth league? I haven't heard of one but it probably hasn't been a thing before. If there is a restriction, there isn't much to worry about there either. At the end of day, I'd rather an owner that's keeping our club afloat and offering 50% opportunity to local kids, then no club.

Excellent points mate.
At the end of the day. I think the connections he has through his Lighting empire, especially in China and Asia and the fact that he is a genuine football fan will open up endless possibilities for this club. No use pre-empting anything at this stage though of what his plans are for this club, lets just wait and see, hey....

[stopper2]

nah, its funny and you don't have a sense of humour.

almost as funny as faux outrage.

but thats on you pal, not me.

Yeah, I'm sure anyone of Chinese background looking at that picture and the context it is in would be rolling in the aisles with that effort mate!

[plague]

Yeah, I'm sure anyone of Chinese background looking at that picture and the context it is in would be rolling in the aisles with that effort mate!

No no no. Don't backtrack now.
You said 'you' were offended.
You tried to assemble some backup on the foz and no one jumped on.
Now you are speaking for the entire Chinese population?

If you don't understand the joke that's cool, but that's on you. But calling for the lynch mob* puts a shine on your insecurity and desire to be a beacon for what's 'right' and 'wrong', and I'm not interested in your crusades pal.

You don't like it? Cool, ignore it like everyone else did.

Or better still steer clear of the internet because there's some pretty strange shit on there.



*...........waiting

[stopper2]

No no no. Don't backtrack now.
You said 'you' were offended.
You tried to assemble some backup on the foz and no one jumped on.
Now you are speaking for the entire Chinese population?

If you don't understand the joke that's cool, but that's on you. But calling for the lynch mob* puts a shine on your insecurity and desire to be a beacon for what's 'right' and 'wrong', and I'm not interested in your crusades pal.

You don't like it? Cool, ignore it like everyone else did.

Or better still steer clear of the internet because there's some pretty strange shit on there.



*...........waiting

Yeah whatever, said how I felt about the matter but you want to make a big song and dance about it and start with the psychological BS.

[380]

Yeah whatever, said how I felt about the matter but you want to make a big song and dance about it and start with the psychological BS.

You should know better by now that Plague is always right and that anybody who does not see things his ways is mistaken and it is all "on them ".

[hawk]

nah, its funny and you don't have a sense of humour.

almost as funny as faux outrage.

but thats on you pal, not me.

peeps be dissing all things ok to them but become precious when it it affects the bleeding hearts brigade. Your opinion is fine so dont fall victim to the bigoted pc wankers of the world

[plague]

You should know better by now that Plague is always right and that anybody who does not see things his ways is mistaken and it is all "on them ".

Why are you so mad?
Cause I didn't make you like this. You were like this before I got here.
That's what I mean by its on you.
Did the joke/photo offend you? Or you didn't get it? Can I help with anything?

I don't understand your anger.

Anyway, in an effort to avoid such situations in the future (because I love all you guys I really do) I will post only photos of cute puppies.

Everyone loves puppies yeah?

brb when I can find a colour and gender neutral breed with an inoffensive name that will suit all your needs.


Go Jets.

[380]

Not angry just don't get your enthusiasm for jumping on people from a great height who have a contrary opinion to yours.

Carry on.

[plague]

Not angry just don't get your enthusiasm for jumping on people from a great height who have a contrary opinion to yours.

Carry on.

Hey man I'm happy to explain anything you don't understand. Just ask.
What is confusing to me is that you seem to have come in well after the initial issue because Mt Pious was populated well before me and my Sherpas looked for a place to stay.

Anyway you guys have the last word then let's get back to pictures of puppies.

The glory of the 6 month off season awaits, let's not waste it.

[belchardo]

Ffs, can you lot take this somewhere else?

[stopper2]

So we supposedly have two very interested parties interested in buying our club; the Ledman Group (Martin Lee) and the US consortium led by Von Schmauder. Other clubs have ownership structures in place where there are more than one person/group with a stakehold in the club i.e Victory, SFC (Frank Lowy himself has or used to have a stakehold in SFC) and Phoenix.
Why then doesn't FFA do a similar thing with the Jets?
Going by the reports that Lee's proposal is much more advanced and that his Ledman Group has the deepest pockets, give him the majority stakehold and 51%.
The Von Schmauder consortium would have 33%, local businesses who want to have a stakehold could make up 15%, which would leave 1% for paying Members who want to be more than just season ticketholders and have some sort of input.

Share the expense of running the club around so we don't have to rely on just one person, one owner with hopefully deep pockets to keep financing the club year after year. Con and Tinkler sould be lessons that show that a "one owner" ownership model just does not work in Newcastle.
In years to come, who knows if the club goes from strength to strength and becomes a viable and sustainable entity, then you might have the situation where the local business entity want to increase their stakehold for example, which ultimately is what we should be aiming for in the long-term.

[Wilso8948]

So we supposedly have two very interested parties interested in buying our club; the Ledman Group (Martin Lee) and the US consortium led by Von Schmauder. Other clubs have ownership structures in place where there are more than one person/group with a stakehold in the club i.e Victory, SFC (Frank Lowy himself has or used to have a stakehold in SFC) and Phoenix.
Why then doesn't FFA do a similar thing with the Jets?
Going by the reports that Lee's proposal is much more advanced and that his Ledman Group has the deepest pockets, give him the majority stakehold and 51%.
The Von Schmauder consortium would have 33%, local businesses who want to have a stakehold could make up 15%, which would leave 1% for paying Members who want to be more than just season ticketholders and have some sort of input.

Share the expense of running the club around so we don't have to rely on just one person, one owner with hopefully deep pockets to keep financing the club year after year. Con and Tinkler sould be lessons that show that a "one owner" ownership model just does not work in Newcastle.
In years to come, who knows if the club goes from strength to strength and becomes a viable and sustainable entity, then you might have the situation where the local business entity want to increase their stakehold for example, which ultimately is what we should be aiming for in the long-term.

So with that 1% I can pick which marquee we get yeh?

[stopper2]

So with that 1% I can pick which marquee we get yeh?

Well, you tell me brains, if an entity has 51% and the other only 1%, who is going to have the final say on picking a marquee?

[belchardo]

like the idea stopper.

[stopper2]

like the idea stopper.

Yeah, but not holding my breath waiting for FFA to be pro-active about getting all the interested parties together to nut out an ownership along these lines.
They've had control of the club for 12 months now and apart from those Forums about 9-10 months ago, what have they actually done in terms with engaging with the local community/businesses regarding the ownership structure? I believe they knocked back a local consortium's bid because of a lack of dollars, so why can't they bring these people and Martin Lee plus Von Schmauder into contact and say....okay, you all want to be involved with the Jets, let's do it and all work together to make it happen and build the foundations for a strong and viable football club.
Would be a win for FFA too as they would probably get the "right price" they are seeking too

[The Camel]

Yeah, but not holding my breath waiting for FFA to be pro-active about getting all the interested parties together to nut out an ownership along these lines.
They've had control of the club for 12 months now and apart from those Forums about 9-10 months ago, what have they actually done in terms with engaging with the local community/businesses regarding the ownership structure? I believe they knocked back a local consortium's bid because of a lack of dollars, so why can't they bring these people and Martin Lee plus Von Schmauder into contact and say....okay, you all want to be involved with the Jets, let's do it and all work together to make it happen and build the foundations for a strong and viable football club.
Would be a win for FFA too as they would probably get the "right price" they are seeking too

Or it could go all tits up with board infighting and ownership disputes and people undermining each other for control ala Manly Sea Eagles

[Guerny]

Where are the f*cking puppies c*nt!!