Gillard got bugger all done due to the nature of the parliament at the time, labour also threw cash at the school system to assist the economy through the gfc (and got sfa in terms of value for money) so they at least have a that as a defence.
I suppose I'm basing my views of the libs saying we won't, and the labs saying they will.
The only thing for certain is the libs won't. Leaving the only hope for what I see as the most urgent need for govt spending to actually happen is that the reds get in.
I guess from the sceptics point of view is that Labors answer will once again be to throw cash up against a wall and hope it sticks.
Every person you spoke to back in the day wanted that GFC cash to spend on maintenance and services not new halls. If the folks on the ground (like yourself) had been listened to back then Gonski might not be such a massive animal right now.
It all comes back to whether Labor can be 'trusted' to get it right I guess.
1/Entitlements, the Libs have been gunning for years to not only remove double time penalty rates but ultimately all penalty rates.
2/Their constant attacks on the Union movement but completely ignoring big business getting away with paying very small or even no taxes in some cases.
I could go on but really couldn't be bothered, the Libs clearly want to go down the American path, they believ in "trickle down economics" but that doesn't work in reality because of the insatiable greed up the top.
Funny how perceptions change over the years. 10 years ago I was a CPSU loving public servant (with a safe job and pension) who decided that working till I was 65 was terribly beige and would not generate wealth.
Five properties and four businesses later and I can see that the ALP thinks I am middle class welfare scum, even though already I am in a position where I will never need ask for government welfare again - isn't that the point of self funding? Really pissed off with them at their -ve gearing stance - we are not all rich.
And the unions - CPSU whinge whenever there are staff cutbacks in the APS. But if the funding isn't there isn't that what should happen - and have you ever tried to sack someone in the APS who won't do their job? When times are good you employ, when they are bad you cutback. Was so sick of their "join us comrades" propaganda every bargaining agreement time. They did nothing other than whinge and whine about the "workers", their "entitlements" and "eroding conditions".
After 30 years voting ALP I swung big time to the Libs last election - I see no need to go back this time around.
Everything that Kyosaki and Trump predicted is now happening- and as Stopper said that is the way we are headed.
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When the supply of labour is growing faster than the demand for labour, and the share of income going to capital is increasing faster than the share to workers - how do you propose that education will help ?
Employment in a mixed capitalist system is an exogenously determined variable whereby there is a level of income compatible with full employment.
Unemployment exists because there is a gap between actual spending and the level compatible with full employment.
The non-governments contribution is essentially endogenously determined by economic activity [ much like the money supply]. People get laid off in downturns and employed when things pick up.... and so on
The government however has the ability to fill the gap between the actual level of spending and the required level of spending.
In other words the government has a choice to create full employment or it can choose not to.
The problem with Gonski is that it does absolutely nothing to create jobs. What is the point of educating someone so they can be unemployed ?
What's the point?
It's not solely about producing a workforce.
Any decent education system should also be able to produce functional citizens who can maintain healthy lifestyles, positive relationships and solve problems.
Australia for my mind is also based on the principles of social justice and needs based funding helps address the inequalities that are a reality for many Australian kids dues to inequities they encounter through no fault of their own.
That's what education SHOULD be about Gaz - unfortunately the reality is it is all about creating drones for tertiary education and then the workforce.
The most successful business minds in this world dropped out of school - they are the ones that got it.
Like Pablo Escobar ?
15 Tonnes of cocaine smuggled into the USA per day at around $300 per gram.
$2500 per month for rubber bands just to wrap the notes into $1000 bundles.
Great role model and more proof an education is a waste of time.
And no I am not taking the piss.
oi dunz where do you work?
yeah but this isn't the fault of the teachers themselves.
blame the system sure, but the individuals trying to implement it. nah.
having said that, as an 'uneducated' person, i was steered into my lane by my school teachers who took me aside and pointed out my strengths and weaknesses.
without that guidance i wouldn't be doing what I'm doing, and for that I'm forever grateful.
well look the decision on penalty rates will be made by the independent umpire and both sides have declared they will accept the decision so your vote won't matter there.
i believe there should be a strong union movement because the powerless should always be represented when negotiating with the powerful.
but.
if you think there is one iota of difference between the union bosses and the bosses of big business then you are sadly mistaken.
the same levels of corruption, greed and self interest spread across all levels of power.
we need unions, we need business.
we don't need shitcunce.
they aren't all sitting on one side of the fence.