2016/17 Squad Thread

[Grimario]

I think the PFA would have a bit of a say if we tried to move them on forceably.

I'd suggest if it was a simple as just saying "here's your money, go away" the club would have already done it. There wouldn't have been an article in the Herald saying the club want them to leave, which exerpts pressure on the players by making the whole situation public.

Why? "Hey bloke, here's the remainder of your contract paid out in full. Go away now" PFA can't complain about that.

[Jeterpool]

Why? "Hey bloke, here's the remainder of your contract paid out in full. Go away now" PFA can't complain about that.

Maybe you're right. Don't know - just postulating.

[Grimario]

Maybe you're right. Don't know - just postulating.

Every other club does it. It's one of the things the dishonourable Membah often whinges about. We are never ruthless with mutual terminations for deadwood that has zero future.

[6ft11]

Staying here what are the three boys going to learn from these monkeys and clowns in charge of this circus?
Wish them all the best but who the hell is going to come to this circus who will change the way we play.

First things first, Kanta's well passed his used by date, is on massive wages and should be the first to go.
BK, sorry old mate, but your time has come.
Thats $400k between two players.


We're worried about flicking the three kids out of the club but we cant see the bigger picture here and thats the terrible on field tactics dished out week after week.

[Jeterpool]

Staying here what are the three boys going to learn from these monkeys and clowns in charge of this circus?
Wish them all the best but who the hell is going to come to this circus who will change the way we play.

First things first, Kanta's well passed his used by date, is on massive wages and should be the first to go.
BK, sorry old mate, but your time has come.
Thats $400k between two players.


We're worried about flicking the three kids out of the club but we cant see the bigger picture here and thats the terrible on field tactics dished out week after week.

Mainly because the 3 kids aren't playing and as such we are playing with a squad of 20, instead of 23?

What would be the point of terminating Kennedy now? He's injured for the season regardless, so we show him some respect by aiding his recovery and let him leave at the end of his contract with dignity, perhaps? Something the club have been criticised for not having in the past - some class?

As for Kanta, he's still contributing to the squad and offers versatility in the squad. He has value for this season at the very least. Why cut our nose off to spite our face?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I think the PFA would have a bit of a say if we tried to move them on forceably.

I'd suggest if it was a simple as just saying "here's your money, go away" the club would have already done it. There wouldn't have been an article in the Herald saying the club want them to leave, which exerpts pressure on the players by making the whole situation public.

We don't have room in the salary cap to say "here's your money piss off" (Correct me if I am wrong but the PFA can't do shit if we do this option), so we're giving them the option and time to find a club.
Which will then allow us to spend ~$150-200k on another decent player or two mediocre ones.

[Jeterpool]

We don't have room in the salary cap to say "here's your money piss off" (Correct me if I am wrong but the PFA can't do shit if we do this option), so we're giving them the option and time to find a club.
Which will then allow us to spend ~$150-200k on another decent player or two mediocre ones.

In an ideal world, yes.

I'm certainly no expert on how these things work. Not knowing the intracacies of the PFA maybe they would get involved, maybe they wouldn't.

I figured with a termination of an employee, as the union, they'd get involved in some way.

[6ft11]

Club has $200k not spent from salary cap, isn't that right Mr McKinna?
So fingers crossed one or two of these kids moves away from this mess of a club, we will be able to bring in one, maybe two quality players who will be able to execute Jones's tactics on the field and bring us success.
Mr McKinna needs to do more than that to get this club back on track.

[Guerny]

Club needs more "mongrel"!
1) Exit the chaff now (too late to do it in Jan)
2) Tell the remaining "playing" flops to start playing like they want a contract renewal (then DON'T renew their contracts only once the season is done).
3) Sign more Koreans.

[The Dunster]

Club has $200k not spent from salary cap, isn't that right Mr McKinna?
So fingers crossed one or two of these kids moves away from this mess of a club, we will be able to bring in one, maybe two quality players who will be able to execute Jones's tactics on the field and bring us success.
Mr McKinna needs to do more than that to get this club back on track.

McKinna is only the CEO. He follows the instructions of the Chairman / Owner. Do you think he wanted Miller out the door or do you think the instruction was handed down ? Do you think he wanted to not fill any of the Marquee positions available to the club ?

The owner pays the bill and decides what goes on - but when things go to shit and he does nothing to fix it he alone is responsible.

Ripping into Jones and McKinna is ridiculous. If you have an issue with the organ grinder don't kick the monkey in the balls.

[Frodo]

McKinna is only the CEO. He follows the instructions of the Chairman / Owner. Do you think he wanted Miller out the door or do you think the instruction was handed down ? Do you think he wanted to not fill any of the Marquee positions available to the club ?

The owner pays the bill and decides what goes on - but when things go to shit and he does nothing to fix it he alone is responsible.

Ripping into Jones and McKinna is ridiculous. If you have an issue with the organ grinder don't kick the monkey in the balls.

You hit the nail on the head and then head-butted the hammer anyway.

McKinna is the CEO and runs the club, that is exactly what a CEO does.

Yes he has to answer to Mr Lee but he is paid to make calls about the squad and coaching staff. That is why it was him who signed Fyfe and it was him who fired Tranny and Miller when the time came.

Mr Lee is a massive w&nk as well and needs to allow the club to build rather than stagnate as it currently seems to be, but until he is willing to invest money we need to be smarter about where we spend it.

[The Camel]

McKinna is only the CEO. He follows the instructions of the Chairman / Owner. Do you think he wanted Miller out the door or do you think the instruction was handed down ? Do you think he wanted to not fill any of the Marquee positions available to the club ?

The owner pays the bill and decides what goes on - but when things go to shit and he does nothing to fix it he alone is responsible.

Ripping into Jones and McKinna is ridiculous. If you have an issue with the organ grinder don't kick the monkey in the balls.

McKinna might not of wanted Miller out the door but the abortion of a coach Jones is all McKinna. He recommended him as he is one of his best mates. Jones is worse than Stubbins.

[6ft11]

Club needs more "mongrel"!
1) Exit the chaff now (too late to do it in Jan)
2) Tell the remaining "playing" flops to start playing like they want a contract renewal (then DON'T renew their contracts only once the season is done).
3) Sign more Koreans.

Even the last Korean left because of Millers bullshit coaching methods, loved the town, loved the country but Miller... didn't love him or his bull dust.
Carney went because of the same reason and so did Kitto
What's going to want to make any decent Korean come to play for Jones and his bullshit tactics.

[6ft11]

McKinna is only the CEO. He follows the instructions of the Chairman / Owner. Do you think he wanted Miller out the door or do you think the instruction was handed down ? Do you think he wanted to not fill any of the Marquee positions available to the club ?

The owner pays the bill and decides what goes on - but when things go to shit and he does nothing to fix it he alone is responsible.

Ripping into Jones and McKinna is ridiculous. If you have an issue with the organ grinder don't kick the monkey in the balls.

Please... your being taken for a ride.
Mr McKinna is the man running the show for 12 months.
He been given free reign (with in the salary cap) to do as he pleases.
His mate Jonesy is doing the business on the field for him, he has his little muppets running around in the background for him opening and closing deals but rest assured he is the man in charge (until Mr Lee decides to rightfully bring his own in)

[6ft11]

McKinna might not of wanted Miller out the door but the abortion of a coach Jones is all McKinna. He recommended him as he is one of his best mates. Jones is worse than Stubbins.

Hear hear

[6ft11]

I will be the first to call it, as soon as one of these young kids leaves (fingers crossed all three of them leave for their own good, who'd want to be part of this circus!) we sign Fyfe the same day!

[The Dunster]

Please... your being taken for a ride.
Mr McKinna is the man running the show for 12 months.
He been given free reign (with in the salary cap) to do as he pleases.
His mate Jonesy is doing the business on the field for him, he has his little muppets running around in the background for him opening and closing deals but rest assured he is the man in charge (until Mr Lee decides to rightfully bring his own in)

It's very unusual for any CEO to act on anything other than the instructions of the board and ultimately the chairman or owner.
If McKinna failed to follow the instructions of the owner he would be out the door as fast as Miller and co were.
The fact that McKinna still has a job supports the fact that he's doing everything Mr Lee is instructing him to do.

Again, you should be questioning the organ grinder not the monkeys.

And please.. It's you're - not your ffs

[Jeterpool]

It's very unusual for any CEO to act on anything other than the instructions of the board and ultimately the chairman or owner.
If McKinna failed to follow the instructions of the owner he would be out the door as fast as Miller and co were.
The fact that McKinna still has a job supports the fact that he's doing everything Mr Lee is instructing him to do.

Again, you should be questioning the organ grinder not the monkeys.

And please.. It's you're - not your ffs

Bingo. McKinna is set a budget. The budget comes from Lee. Lee says how much money is allocated for the fotball department, as well as the marketing department, membership department, media department, etc.

(not directed in reply to Dunster's post)
Listen to the interview we did on the Jetstream with McKinna again. The first thing Lee will do before piling money into the club is make it profitable. The noise coming out about wholesale changes to the squad says to me that they don't see it as good enough to compete. Why not hold onto the marquee money until we have that squad? Maybe we are getting our shit in order off the field, working in the community to help build the brand and attract businesses on board? We've go more sponsors now than we ever have. He's been here for just under 6 months. You think he got rich by going in a throwing money around or taking time to understand the business and choosing the time to invest?

We are getting to the end of the trash Miller had to deal with when he joined post Stubbins. He came in an refused to sign anyone to more than 2 year deals, and not for longer than he was expected to last, so he didn't leave the next coach with a heap of dead wood squad - this off season is the first of those where we have that luxury. This is the first off season in probably 3 where we can make some serious moves in the player market.

[MFKS]

I bet you we don't

We will have a hard enough time convincing good players to come here

We will have no chance of convincing a very good player to come here either.

The only way out of this is getting our foreigners right
By right I mean not signing blokes like Wayne Brown to 3 years at the club

Signing some quality Yoof
We done that before

Signing some quality HAL standard players.
We don't do that ever


Basically we are ****ed until Lee opens the wallet.


As for your points about building u der Ledman. I would say we are actually going backwards under them at the moment.

FFA have a lot to answer for. They got the owner right at WSW. They got the owner right at Heart.

Yet the dumb ****s have ****ed over Newy once again by finding us this bloke who has so far offered us nothing to indicate this shit going to change soon

Matter of fact he is losing the goodwill he was given

[PC14]

We are getting to the end of the trash Miller had to deal with when he joined post Stubbins. He came in an refused to sign anyone to more than 2 year deals, and not for longer than he was expected to last, so he didn't leave the next coach with a heap of dead wood squad - this off season is the first of those where we have that luxury. This is the first off season in probably 3 where we can make some serious moves in the player market.

9 rounds in and we're discussing the new offseason.