16/17 HAL Round 19 | Newcastle Jets v Melbourne Victory | Sat 10th Feb 2017 05:35pm

[StannyCFCJET]

29/55 with very little time to make an impact.

I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.

Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.

GVE also loved the 70+ subs same with Miller

[Macca]

I don't think you add the 10 to the 19. 10 of the 19 played less than 5

[Jeterpool]

Curiosity, are those times measured as regulation time or including stoppage time?

Regulation. It gets too hard calculating additional time, especially when they say "3 minutes" but end up playing say "5" for some reason.

[Jeterpool]

29/55 with very little time to make an impact.

I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.

Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.

See Macca below - they're on the money

I don't think you add the 10 to the 19. 10 of the 19 played less than 5

[Jeterpool]

29/55 with very little time to make an impact.

I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.

Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.

Also, there are 7 subs made who played 1 half of football or greater.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

See Macca below - he's on the money

ahhh makes sense XD

So 19/55..

Throw in a few injuries etc...

Maybe half of the 55 have had more then 10 mins to make an impact?

[Macca]

Just quickly googled some EPL substitution stats.

% of games in which all (3) substitutions are used is 77%
Defensive subs 17%, neutral sub 60%, offensive sub 23%
Average first, second, third sub minutes are 62, 72, 81. He also gives a breakdown depending on different game states, for example when losing the average sub times are earlier 58, 68, 78.

Data was used from 2012/13 through 2015/16 seasons.

Link for anyone (Jeterpool) interested https://mister-numbers.com/2016/08/2...what-and-when/

[WolfMan]

29/55 with very little time to make an impact.

I'd like to see how many were injuries/babies being born.

Stubbins did the same thing, however the bench he had was far worse than what we have now.

First game of the season, Kokko gets pulled at 37 minutes, think due to fitness?
2nd game Nobby is replaced by Clut at half time, again fitness concerns if memory serves?
2-2 draw with WSW, Poljak comes on for Jackson's injury at 40 minutes
2-0 loss to Victory away (awful game from memory) Ma replaces Nobby at HT, but think that was tactical/ineffectual
Boxing Day v Wellington - Koutroumbis replaces Boogs at 54 minutes due to his ankle flaring up again
Another loss to Victory away - Vujica injured and replaced by Cowburn at 41 minutes
Brown's baby dash at Half Time against Roar

[Jeterpool]

ahhh makes sense XD

So 19/55..

Throw in a few injuries etc...

Maybe half of the 55 have had more then 10 mins to make an impact?

Depends what we consider an impact. I can't tell anyone anything about goal-saving tackles or clearances.

But we have had 3 players score from the bench. Clut v Brisbane which took it to 4-0, Nordstrand v Adelaide which won the game and Ma Leilei against Victory which took it to 3-1 - so no concequence

And (sorry in advance Plague) 2 players off the bench have been attributed with assists. Leilei played the pass to Nordstrand against Adelaide and Nordstrand came on at HT against the Nix and cut the ball back for Hoole to level the match at 1-1.

[Jeterpool]

First game of the season, Kokko gets pulled at 37 minutes, think due to fitness?
2nd game Nobby is replaced by Clut at half time, again fitness concerns if memory serves?
2-2 draw with WSW, Poljak comes on for Jackson's injury at 40 minutes
2-0 loss to Victory away (awful game from memory) Ma replaces Nobby at HT, but think that was tactical/ineffectual
Boxing Day v Wellington - Koutroumbis replaces Boogs at 54 minutes due to his ankle flaring up again
Another loss to Victory away - Vujica injured and replaced by Cowburn at 41 minutes
Brown's baby dash at Half Time against Roar

Jackson also replaced Mullen Rd 1 due to injury and Hoff is replaced by Vujica due to injury

Kanta replaced on 82 Rd 4 against Sydney due to knee injury

[WolfMan]

Jackson also replaced Mullen Rd 1 due to injury and Hoff is replaced by Vujica due to injury

Kanta replaced on 82 Rd 4 against Sydney due to knee injury

Awesome, thanks.

Haven't gone to the length of subs from different positions (winning, losing or drawing at time of sub).

But the average time for a sub when we go on and win the match is 76 minutes.

Subs when we draw or lose the match are almost identical on average - 68.9 minutes (let's just call it 69 minutes)

So it stands to reason, Jones appears to be trying to make earlier changes to chase the game. I think we can all agree that there has been a lot less playing for a draw this season.

[Grimario]

Depends what we consider an impact. I can't tell anyone anything about goal-saving tackles or clearances.

But we have had 3 players score from the bench. Clut v Brisbane which took it to 4-0, Nordstrand v Adelaide which won the game and Ma Leilei against Victory which took it to 3-1 - so no concequence

And (sorry in advance Plague) 2 players off the bench have been attributed with assists. Leilei played the pass to Nordstrand against Adelaide and Nordstrand came on at HT against the Nix and cut the ball back for Hoole to level the match at 1-1.

Purely from an outcome of match (e.g. we were drawing when they came on, game finished in a draw), 10 of our 19 games, all 3 substitutes have not changed the outcome.

One win (4-0 Brisbane, 1-0 at 1st sub, 2-0 at 2nd, 4-0 at 3rd)
Three draws (Rd1 Adelaide 1-1 all subs, Rd15 Perth 2-2 all subs, Rd19 Victory 0-0 all subs)
Six losses (Rd4 Sydney 0-2 all subs, Rd5 Nix 0-2 all subs, Rd6 City 1-2 all subs, Rd13 Victory 0-2 first and second, 2-4 final, Rd16 Wanderers first 0-1, second third 0-2, Rd17 Perth first 1-2, second 1-3, third 2-3)

I think.

[ForeverRed]

As soon as Muscat put Broxham on an hooked the Gypo in midfield the Tards got to grips with the game

At this point Poljak and Stevie U lost control and we let the Victree just bypass our midfield and play an end to end game

Would love to see Stevie U played as a 10.

He looks so much better at playing forward all the time


Think Jones missed a trick or two with his subs.

Not one of them made much of a difference to what was going on out there
In fact Kokko coming on started causing an increase in hoof balls into the box

Ohh well onwards and upwards

broxam came on and played a second holding mid where bozanic was wider and higher which created gaps for the jets, broxam closed those gaps and the gap between our mid and theres widened which gave victory more time on the ball

[StannyCFCJET]

I haven't seen a good angle on it but was Ma Lei Lei's shot the Thomas saved going in?

[evolution]

I haven't seen a good angle on it but was Ma Lei Lei's shot the Thomas saved going in?

From the view I had (almost directly behind) I would say yes.

[WolfMan]

Agree with Evo. Cockerill almost immediately dismissed it as going wide despite the save from Thomas.

But the replay at home, and even on my first look live on the tv, it was sneaking in.

A great effort and a very good save