Grassroots Football

[MFKS]

I ain’t going to work today for free. Are you?

But that is what kills the game in this country

Sense of self entitlement

Every ****er who gets involved in the game wants to put their hand out to get paid for it

Whether that be shit **** players running around in New FM or NBN or the coaches etc

They all arent doing it for thge love of the game

There is a sense of entitlement that they should be compensated for their time

At the professional level yes

HAL players and coaches should be paid

But below that no way in gods green earth should they be getting paid a cent


Football coaching outside of pro level isnt apart getting paid

It is about imparting skills and knowledge on people

Blokes at Barca in the Yoof set up get paid **** all to hone and develop the likes of Messi Iniesta and co
And know that these blokes have made it to millionaire status they aint getting paid a bonus either

FFA are also just as culpable in this problem as they view coaching education as a money making activity first and foremost

[MFKS]

Ummmm, you do realise there are plenty of wide open spaces out there for you (or any parent) to take little Johnny for a kick and to pass on all your knowledge.

Again, blokes on here making out spending lots of money on coaching is compulsory.

Plenty of examples even at HAL level of blokes coming through without having gone through these programs.

Maybe get off your own asses and teach the kids?

But is my knowledge of the game adequate??

(That is a rhetorical question by the way 5 5 5 )

It is where we are going wrong in that the dads of Oz teaching these kids the game are in a lot of ways poorly educated on the game in the 1st place

As for volunteers I meant that crusty old guys out there around the world coaching kids well because they have a deep love for the game not because they want fame and glory

Same guys who worked with the likes of Neymar Messi Iniesta developing their game when they were young before any pro club ever got interested in them

It is these guys who give us great players

[plague]

But that is what kills the game in this country

Sense of self entitlement

Every ****er who gets involved in the game wants to put their hand out to get paid for it

Whether that be shit **** players running around in New FM or NBN or the coaches etc

They all arent doing it for thge love of the game

There is a sense of entitlement that they should be compensated for their time

At the professional level yes

HAL players and coaches should be paid

But below that no way in gods green earth should they be getting paid a cent


Football coaching outside of pro level isnt apart getting paid

It is about imparting skills and knowledge on people

Blokes at Barca in the Yoof set up get paid **** all to hone and develop the likes of Messi Iniesta and co
And know that these blokes have made it to millionaire status they aint getting paid a bonus either

FFA are also just as culpable in this problem as they view coaching education as a money making activity first and foremost

Yeah of course by the way let's stop paying doctors, ambos and life guards.
I mean, saving someone's life should be reward enough yeah?

[ForeverBlack]

But that is what kills the game in this country

Sense of self entitlement

Every ****er who gets involved in the game wants to put their hand out to get paid for it

Whether that be shit **** players running around in New FM or NBN or the coaches etc

They all arent doing it for thge love of the game

There is a sense of entitlement that they should be compensated for their time

At the professional level yes

HAL players and coaches should be paid

But below that no way in gods green earth should they be getting paid a cent


Football coaching outside of pro level isnt apart getting paid

It is about imparting skills and knowledge on people

Blokes at Barca in the Yoof set up get paid **** all to hone and develop the likes of Messi Iniesta and co
And know that these blokes have made it to millionaire status they aint getting paid a bonus either

FFA are also just as culpable in this problem as they view coaching education as a money making activity first and foremost

You are so FULL OF SHIT JARRYD.
Are you really going to come on here and try and say that the coaches in the Barcelona youth set up are getting paid **** all. Your knowledge of the workings at club's around the world truly has no equal.

[MFKS]

You are so FULL OF SHIT JARRYD.
Are you really going to come on here and try and say that the coaches in the Barcelona youth set up are getting paid **** all. Your knowledge of the workings at club's around the world truly has no equal.

Go do some research before running your mouth

The coached in Barcas youth set up get paid **** all

This is a reality they spend their time holding down jobs around coaching the Barca philosophy to kids in their spare time for a pittance

[MFKS]

Yeah of course by the way let's stop paying doctors, ambos and life guards.
I mean, saving someone's life should be reward enough yeah?

And if we want to have a ****ed up football set up in Oz lets keep doing what we are doing

Because it obvioysly is going well this method isnt it??

[ForeverBlack]

Go do some research before running your mouth

The coached in Barcas youth set up get paid **** all

This is a reality they spend their time holding down jobs around coaching the Barca philosophy to kids in their spare time for a pittance

Fancy you accusing someone of running their mouth off.
POT. KETTLE. BLACK.
I would be more than happy to see your stats on the pittance that these Barca youth academy coaches get paid. I am sure YOU would have researched it before running your mouth off.
I would gladly retract my words if you could put up a link or a screenshot of where you saw the salaries that these coaches get paid.

[Goatscheese]

I do know that in the UK the professional clubs run free coaching clinics, and send their people and lower coaches into poor areas, because they know that this is where talent is as well. Kids not being able to spend a lot but being able to play the game. They get picked up by these clubs and put into the clubs academies, they also aren't charged high fees, same goes for those talented players from wealthy kids. Of course we are inhibiting that talent by ignoring the poorer kids and ensuring high fees for those that can afford it. As a result we decrease the size of the potential talent pool and thus decrease the number of quality players. Why is that a country with a population less than Sydney can consistently make it past World Cup group stages while we just struggle to qualify? One of the reasons is a lower potential talent pool that is being shrunk because of the high and ever increasing costs.

Also it's BS that all clubs must pay their SAP coaches $1,500 as mandated by NNSWF.

[ForeverBlack]

I do know that in the UK the professional clubs run free coaching clinics, and send their people and lower coaches into poor areas, because they know that this is where talent is as well. Kids not being able to spend a lot but being able to play the game. They get picked up by these clubs and put into the clubs academies, they also aren't charged high fees, same goes for those talented players from wealthy kids. Of course we are inhibiting that talent by ignoring the poorer kids and ensuring high fees for those that can afford it. As a result we decrease the size of the potential talent pool and thus decrease the number of quality players. Why is that a country with a population less than Sydney can consistently make it past World Cup group stages while we just struggle to qualify? One of the reasons is a lower potential talent pool that is being shrunk because of the high and ever increasing costs.

Also it's BS that all clubs must pay their SAP coaches $1,500 as mandated by NNSWF.

Agree with all of the Goatscheese. Nnsw make that much money that these elite teams and programs i.e Jets youth, should be free . Pick the best 20 kids in each age group in the squad , regardless of who or how rich mum and dad are.
That way our best kids don't miss out because they can't afford it

[MFKS]

Fancy you accusing someone of running their mouth off.
POT. KETTLE. BLACK.
I would be more than happy to see your stats on the pittance that these Barca youth academy coaches get paid. I am sure YOU would have researched it before running your mouth off.
I would gladly retract my words if you could put up a link or a screenshot of where you saw the salaries that these coaches get paid.

As you said I like to run my mouth

Go on Prove me wrong

Barca pay their youth coaches a pittance is my statement

Prove me wrong then

[ForeverBlack]

As you said I like to run my mouth

Go on Prove me wrong

Barca pay their youth coaches a pittance is my statement

Prove me wrong then

You made the statement idiot, so back it up with facts. You told me to go and do research. I don't need to research it to prove that you are making the shit up.
Why don't you try backing up one of your many bullshit statements with some proof or figures.
I am very interested to see how you would know or would have seen what the Barcelona youth academy get paid to coach. This was your statement after all Jarryd, that they got paid **** all . How did you come up with this knowledge ?
Tell me where you got this information from so i to can see what kind of $$$ they make

[plague]

And if we want to have a ****ed up football set up in Oz lets keep doing what we are doing

Because it obvioysly is going well this method isnt it??

ummm, you realise the program we* are talking about is all of 12 months old right?
so one could assume we are no longer doing things 'the old way'.

Member, you're doing that thing again. Take a breath.











*and by 'we' i mean parents and club officials who are actually involved in the program not blokes who have no idea what they are talking about just flinging shit up against the wall like usual.

[plague]

Also it's BS that all clubs must pay their SAP coaches $1,500 as mandated by NNSWF.

so I'm assuming you have no real idea what these coaches go through in order to justify any sort of wage correct?
Because $1500 is nothing for what they do for these kids.

you may also want to look at it from the point of the coach. maybe they too want to reach the highest level, and are starting at the bottom. Yet you want to inhibit them by not paying them for their work.

so clear this up, all coaches are well off and can afford to do it for free, but all kids should get it for free because they cant afford it?

thats what youre saying right?

[Negative Police]

Why is that a country with a population less than Sydney can consistently make it past World Cup group stages while we just struggle to qualify? One of the reasons is a lower potential talent pool that is being shrunk because of the high and ever increasing costs.

Also it's BS that all clubs must pay their SAP coaches $1,500 as mandated by NNSWF.

Aus has a small talent pool to choose from because we have other higher profile sports taking players. Never assume we have 25 mill in the pool. More like 5 mill at best and we are punching above that weight. Btw what do Uruguay/iceland do to get top players.

SAP suggested the $1500 for coaches which is assuming that these new 1000's of coaches needed to all get their C licence lol. At which the ffa cant even agree on the best way to coach juniors as the course and content is changing again. Then an update is still needed every 4/5 yrs. I think they are trying to go too large too quick.

Oh and the coaches do so much for what they get. Ive heard they rego concession at most clubs.

[Goatscheese]

so I'm assuming you have no real idea what these coaches go through in order to justify any sort of wage correct?
Because $1500 is nothing for what they do for these kids.

you may also want to look at it from the point of the coach. maybe they too want to reach the highest level, and are starting at the bottom. Yet you want to inhibit them by not paying them for their work.

so clear this up, all coaches are well off and can afford to do it for free, but all kids should get it for free because they cant afford it?

thats what youre saying right?

Actually I know exactly what it is like for these sort of coaches and as a coach in other age groups/leagues.

Furthermore, you should read what I typed again because it has nothing to do with your post.

[Goatscheese]

Aus has a small talent pool to choose from because we have other higher profile sports taking players.

Indeed part of the reason being that soccer costs so much they go to other sports or are taken to other sports by their parents.

And indeed a suggestion not a mandate that they must.

[plague]

Actually I know exactly what it is like for these sort of coaches and as a coach in other age groups/leagues.

ok then, so why dont you tell us your own personal experience of what it takes to coach at this level. What sort of hours you put in, and what you (personally) give up in order to be a coach.
Because i can only assume your answer will be 'a lot'.
and thats cool.
all im saying is that the (relatively) small remuneration for all that effort may not be worth it for some.

again, im not arguing with any of the points put forward about finding kids who cant 'afford' to be in this system.
ive no problems with clubs doing 'more' to bring more good kids through.
all im asking is that for a code that is seemingly forever broke, where does this cash come from?
you have club officials on here saying that they aint making the money.
you have a governing body that pretty much cant afford to fund their own elite competition.

so where is it coming from?

[Goatscheese]

ok then, so why dont you tell us your own personal experience of what it takes to coach at this level. What sort of hours you put in, and what you (personally) give up in order to be a coach.
Because i can only assume your answer will be 'a lot'.
and thats cool.
all im saying is that the (relatively) small remuneration for all that effort may not be worth it for some.

again, im not arguing with any of the points put forward about finding kids who cant 'afford' to be in this system.
ive no problems with clubs doing 'more' to bring more good kids through.
all im asking is that for a code that is seemingly forever broke, where does this cash come from?
you have club officials on here saying that they aint making the money.
you have a governing body that pretty much cant afford to fund their own elite competition.

so where is it coming from?

I said it was BS that Northern mandated that clubs pay their coaches $1,500. Then you started going on about the justification, as though you have some experience. Now if I am wrong about the mandate prove it to me.

[plague]

I said it was BS that Northern mandated that clubs pay their coaches $1,500. Then you started going on about the justification, as though you have some experience. Now if I am wrong about the mandate prove it to me.

who said you were wrong about the mandate?
i dont care if its mandated or not.

but the larger point being discussed on here is that some people dont think the coaches should be paid at all.
some think coaches should be paid more.
im just out here trying to understand the points of view of people who dont think they deserve it.

[sammydog]

I’m actually ok with coaches being paid. But a question for all clubs players/parents, where should the payments stop;

- coaches
- club executive committee (president, treasurer, secretary, registrar)
- general committee
- technical director
- canteen manager
- grounds person

How do you differentwhich position gets paid and which doesn’t. We are already seeing players expecting payments and free rego well outside NPL and NL1 and if you add in paid positions in the club then it can only mean one thing for regos unless big cuts are made elsewhere.

It’s a question that needs to be answered. Why would you volunteer for a non paid position when there is a paid position.