Everyone does have a fair crack. Having worked in government welfare and job network I can give you many examples of people dragging themselves out of the gutter to become a great success and also people sabotaging any job offer by being a dick eg (rocking up drunk first day).Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
I have interviewed 16yo kids whose ambition is to "get me pension". Anyone can be prosperous if they put in the hard yards.
nah. there are genuine mistakes with pay rates (as an employer, i encourage everyone to go look up the award rates handbook - my goodness if you think you're getting every shift exactly right every time then you're kidding yourself). One miscalculation if left unchecked can result in millions over the course of a few years if you have a lot of staff (like the companies you speak of). Every big company has HR and legal because......they need to make sure they are paying their staff correctly and have all their legal rights maintained. there are laws available to govts to prosecute employers who break their laws. i dont know any major company that has had a HR and legal staff working in conjunction with 'the bosses' to scam staff.
i used the Grill'd example because everyone made out like they were cheating their staff when it looks like they were acting legally but taking advantage of a govt program. again, there is a difference.
if you've got examples of this systemic illegal behaviour then please point me in the right direction.
The alternative is to actually make sure that people are treated with dignity, respect and to ensure irrespective of a person's background they have the same chances as everyone else.
That is it.
Now if it means multi-nationals get taxed. Large companies get broken up and the government nationalises certains industry to be able to do it. Then that is what we need to do.
Australia in 2019 should not have a single homeless person.
Australia in 2019 should not have old pensioners skipping macular degeneration injections because of a lack of money
Australia in 2019 should not have kids skipping meals
Australia in 2019 should not have a higher proportion of Indigenous peoples in custody
Australia in 2019 should not have the lowest unemployment benefit in the OECD
Australia in 2019 should not have a single person in poverty
Last edited by Skirt Boy; 14-12-2019 at 10:46 PM.
It's the sheer number of companies involved. And it's not just restricted to dodgy cafes and fast food joints. Optus, Bunnings it's endless.
And I'll say it straight out. Directors need to start being held criminally liable and be sent to gaol. This whole thing is systemic.
ok for context. the Bunnings "wage theft" (Albos words, not yours) was an average underpayment of around $90 per staff member affected (around $160 once interest and compensation was attached). So this big scandal of ****ing over the workers was really such a miniscule clerical error that multiplied over time into a big sexy number.
in that same time their bills have gone through the roof, as has their taxes as the pollies find millions and billions more each time to fund submarines, blue cables and fix the great barrier reef. there is more theft going on via the government than any employer will ever sting them with.
if any worker out there thinks their employer was out to get them because they 'lost' the grand sum of about $160 over the course of 10 years then my god they need to understand what real struggle is.
now, your other point. im absolutely down with throwing any and all of the real ****ers behind bars. but we just had a royal commission into the biggest scumbags of them all (financial sector) and not one charge will be laid and not one day will be spent in jail.
even the ones that lost their jobs walked away with a payout. and again, that was both sides of politics that let all this slide. the one time the hippies want to listen to Hanson etc her appeals get no support in Parliament because theres no way the suits are gonna lock up their donors. that not how the system works.
and yes, the system sucks.
That the bit that Skirt Boy seems to miss
The opportunity is there for all people in Western countries to have a prosperous life
So many ****s piss away the opportunity then they expect a ****ing hand out after they have failed to have a go
Under Skirt Boys view of the world those that actually did bend their backs and pay for the lazy ****ers who didn't
Then he will whine about some unfairness yet not see the unfairness he inflicts on those who are doing the right thing by holding down.employment and taking care of their own shit
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To be honest I don't believe anyone in here, even you Jetmaster, has any real insight into the systems and lifestyles that "breed"/create welfare recipients. And I think that's a positive. The welfare system is trash, everyone agrees with that, the main difference it seems is that some of you want these people on the streets and into our hospitals with easily treatable diseases and spiralling further down a hole and some of us hope there's a better way.
I know wealthy people, and I know full well that they don't work hard for their money. The rich like to use the story of battling hard workers who blossom into millionaires to tease the sheep into thinking that hard work = success when it's pretty simple logic to understand that it doesn't.
Money breeds money. Poverty breeds poverty.
I'd be happy with a system that removes the second of those at a minimum, but I'm also on board for eating the rich and removing the first.
Real wages are growing slower than profits. That means workers incomes are not sufficient to purchase the goods and services they produce.
Hot tip. Real wages are determined with the cpi. Real gdp is determined with a gdp deflator.
You can't simply use nominal data as cpi takes into account both domestic and imported goods purchased as a basket for the the "normal consumer". The gdp deflator is only concerned with domestic incomes but for all goods and services produced including those not in the basket of goods the CPI takes into account.
In layman's terms the wages share of total income is shrinking and no matter how hard you work in aggregate your productivity gains are being appropriated towards profits not wages.
The Member is once again wrong. Some people will benefit but many will miss out.
None of this affects me but it certainly makes things hard for the younger generations - there are opportunities - but the day of simply choosing to work hard to make a good living are well and truly gone.
Governments control employment through their budgetary stance and they do this because of massive pressure from lobby groups over the past 45 years or more.
Unemployment exists because governments choose it - not because people don't want to work.
If the private sector wishes to save and the current account is in deficit then the only way to keep employment stable is for the government to run a deficit - it's not politics - it's arithmetic.
If you leave employment up to the private sector without any government involvement you have unemployment - and lots of it because the private sector is inherently unstable and incapable of producing full employment.
Last edited by The Dunster; 15-12-2019 at 12:31 AM.
Of course the system benefits some
The system we have in place benefits those that are prepared to bend their backs at the expense of those wanting a handout
I am 100% for this
You are right that the government is a massive factor in this situation
The excessive levels of regulation and excessive levels if government that we have are a leech on the system and exacerbate the problems capitalism can bring
But that's simply not true. You don't get paid based on how much work you do, which is what you are trying to claim is how the system works.
Nowadays the main factors that determine what you get paid are outside of your control. (Country of birth, parents wealth, timing, availability of opportunities, etc).
And again, you talk about handouts but fail to recognise things like the $498 billion bailout from the 2008 recession. How does that compare to welfare payments??
Capitalism is a terrible system that only benefits a certain few. Unfortunately though, we don't have an alternative. So we are all screwed.
Even billionaires are victims of capitalism. There are no winners in terms of what Adam Smith or later on Karl Marx discussed with respect to people being "separated from their species being" through the division of labour. [Alienation and self-estrangement].
It doesn't matter how many tickets you can afford to buy in the raffle - the end prize is the same for all of us.
Despite being a communist sympathiser I do actually believe that capitalism works. But it needs to be highly regulated.
Some things that would bring fairness to the system.
1. Minimum wage based around the idea that a single person can afford a basic apartment, transportation and basic entertainment.
2. Rental controls based on the idea that rent is capped to 30% of a person's income. Rich people will still rent in rich suburbs, poor in poor suburbs. But what it does do is equalise rental costs to income.
3. Unemployed rate set at a level as a fixed percentage of the minimum wage.
4. Social Welfare insurance levy of 1% for workers and 5% for corporate entities. Setup similar to superannuation. After 12 months of continuous employment a person can receive up to 75% of the income of the last job and this decreases over time to the base unemployment rate.
5. Remove the medicare safety net and abolish gap payments and scrap private health insurance. Dental and optical to be fully covered by Medicare.
6. 100% free education. Entry to university to be purely by merit with allowances for disadvantage.
7. Remove tax concessions for entities with a gross revenue of a certain amount adjusted to inflation.
8. Introduce taxation to religious organisations.
9. Government to take over all charitable services with such services funded by the taxation of religion and the removal of aid grants to organisations who provide such services.
10. Baby/Education bonus. A lump sum is deposited into a special account similar to superannuation up on the birth of a child. Provided the child finishes school and gains qualifications (degree, trade) or full time employment for 5 years after finishing education. They have their house deposit.
11. Complete phasing out of fossil fuels for electricity generation and the cessation of export. National company established to mine, manufacture and sell renewable energy.
12. Renewal of the rail network.
13. Limit the size of trucks
14. Disability pension and aged pension to be set at the rate of minimum wage
15. Introduce proportional representation into parliament and double the size of members in the house of reps.
Remove the word University and I'm in. TAFE can be more useful than University for most industries, it's just not as profitable for the higher ups. If education is free, university's can fine tune their programs and TAFE can increase into more specialised centres. Trade school, business school, nursing school, IT school, etc. Yes, you'll need to travel to cities to get some specific degrees but you'll walk out with the correct skills to do the job. Rather than a degree that taught you half of what you need to know.
thats gotta be the most rad post ive ever read on here.
theres so much going on.
what about poor people that want to live in rich suburbs?
this is how the system already works.
you have to meet the standards, and then theres other ways to get in if you dont yeah?
get them to eat more?
supplements?
bah gawd, image how big Kim Beazley would have been under this policy.
House of Reps would look like a WWE road show.
Government is not hard. You could implement all of these policies and a few more in a similar way and Canberra would only need council workers to maintain the parks and run the museums. The problem is that nobody likes to give and everyone likes to take so the governments of the day generally do things that get them the most votes.
It's up to the property owner to decide who ultimately rents. They simply have a limit to what they can charge.
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