I was meaning they should have kept it at its original length and introduced PPG instead of extending.Originally Posted by Taffy
I was meaning they should have kept it at its original length and introduced PPG instead of extending.
And the reason they dont charge clubs is that its an extra layer of admin (for clubs and NNSW) because they cant charge every club flat fee because not every club gets the same amount of referees.The current system works fine I have literally not ever heard a complaint about the amount of money NNSW pays referees compared to other jobs those kids could be doing at those ages.If you don?t think that northern or the inter-district boards taking 10% of the appointed referee fees passes, then they?ll just drop the fees that refs get by 10% and charge the clubs that admin fee
Yes that's what I am saying as well. PPG was already in the regulations as well
What? Why the condescending attitude? Of course rego fees are used to pay for the refs. Here's a thought though, just like every other department within NNSW (or any business for that matter) the revenue they receive is used to cover their expenses. If that means fees to players and NNSW cut goes up a couple of bucks a year then so be it.Who do you think pays the referee fees?
If you don?t think that northern or the inter-district boards taking 10% of the appointed referee fees passes, then they?ll just drop the fees that refs get by 10% and charge the clubs that admin fee
Last edited by Izzy; 06-06-2025 at 10:31 AM.
Who is complaining about what the refs get paid? Typical internet strawman argument. I don't have an opinion on that really, but my son seems reasonably happy with what he gets paid. However, with the acute shortage of referees out there it might provide some evidence to the contrary. My beef is the model. As I said in the previous post - just like every other department within NNSW (or any business for that matter) the revenue they receive is used to cover their expenses. If that means fees to players and NNSW cut goes up a couple of bucks a year then so be it.
You said your son is happy with his wages but your issue is they could be higher(due to the 10% fee being shown on the invoice).So if the fee wasnt disclosed on the wage slip you would never know and everyone would be happy.Also,the referees are paid out of the total NNSW revenue pool so technically clubs and players are already funding it.The fee goes back to the referees department within NNSW to run that side of the business.The more referees that sign up,the higher the NNSW wage bill so eventually clubs and players will pay more anyway.
Oh FFS, read my post again. Yes, if they were paid 10% less and therefore what the clubs were billed for the service went 100% to the referees I wouldn't have a problem. But they don't.
And no, they are not technically funding it, they are funding 90% of it.
Ok,so I will petition NNSW to not write the fee on the invoice and you'll be none the wiser and happier for it.Glad we fixed it together.
On another note we were told today that all 3 travelling clubs will be playing away in week 1 of phase 2 so no Newcastle based teams will be required to travel on short notice.No one is expecting games to be posted until mid week but it does give a small bit of clarity that there wont be any last minute long drives.Hope they have given those travelling clubs plenty of notice as well.
Getting rid of the 4 week pre-season cup could be a good idea. Clubs can organise friendly games before the start of the season if they want.
Phase 1 would finish by mid-May, with a strict rule about PPG in case games can't be completed.
This way, there would be plenty of time for a full 14 games phase 2 plus finals.
The way this season has been managed is utterly disappointing: they identified a problem, set rules to solve it in case it happened, and then ignored their own rules.
I don't understand why they mentioned "volunteer burnout", when PPG was actually the best way to avoid that?
Yeah f*ck it, those pesky regional teams can do the long drive at short notice. No doubt the promised 60/40 split for home/away regional team games will be another NNSW over promise under deliver BS again.
Last edited by Izzy; 06-06-2025 at 03:44 PM.
Yep, didn't read it. I knew I should have typed it slower.
A straw man argument is a logical fallacy that involves misrepresenting someone else's argument to make it easier to attack or refute.
Because your argument is illogical and amorphous.
A quote from your previous post “question why it is not funded by the users of the service (players/parents via rego fees) rather than the providers of the service.”
The players/parents pay the match fees via rego already (at least at npl levels, in inter-district I’m not sure as clubs used to be charged monthly for the referee services provided). As part of that, northern set the fees that they charge clubs for referees at 111.111% of what the referees get paid to cover this admin fee, hence when clubbies do it, they may get that full 111.111% of the match fees. Ie, for a game that refs get paid $90 for, NNSW charge the club $100 which includes the admin fee.
As to if the entire department is covered by the revenue from game fees or not, I can’t say, but given the business that NNSW is in, does it matter if the referee department is fully covered by match fees or not? From what I can gather, NNSWF already has one of the highest investments in the referee department in the country, just look at who they’ve got as the high performance coach recently, so if your argument is that that money should be reinvested into the department, then we agree, but it’s quite clear they’re already investing in the department. Can more be done? Always, but they’re making a good effort at the moment.
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One day,you will conquer maths and business and I will give you your flowers.Until that day though....
While I dont think we need to start much earlier and will always struggle with the heat if we do,the 2nd part of your post was the most poignant and the one thing we all seem to agree on.NNSW should just stick to the ppg rules they set out and get on with it.
All regional clubs where informed they would be playing in Newcastle for the 1st round of phase 2 in the memo from Northern on the 21/5, id say thats decent notice?NNSWF MEMO 28-2025 SNIP.jpg
The easy solution would be to stop overcomplicating the season, start with 2 or 3 divisions, run it for the whole season with promotion relegation for the next year based of end of year club championship results.
The competition structure is great. Handling weather is incompetence.
Any reason why the draw for phase 2 hasn't been released yet?
Top 8 in Div1 and bottom 8 in Div3 have been known for weeks.
It would be great to know at least where/when we play next weekend. Too much to ask?
Supposed to be out Wednesday.
While the top 8 of div 1 was sorted and South Cardiff & Charlestown were a given, with the number of games Belswans, Toronto & Northern Inland had to make up, it wasn’t really as clear cut as you’d think.
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