Our club has been told its Wednesday.The next problem will be getting referees for these fixtures.The majority of referees being players means they cant be available to referee until they know when they are playing.Hopefully they get plenty of notice as well so the games go ahead with the least amount of hassle possible.Originally Posted by mic22
Youth fixtures are up.
Commence the outrage.
Incorrect. Div 2 was still up for grabs until Saturday as Kahibah and Belswans could have taken fourth spot. After Saturday's round it was finalised. As it was a long weekend, the staff at Northern wouldn't have been back until Tuesday (yesterday). So yeah, I think you are asking too much.
What was known was that the 3 regional clubs would travel for round 1. As to the rest of the clubs, what difference does it make? Singo would be the longest drive and that is about an hour. Hardly an inconvenience.
"It is not that I am afraid to die; its just that I don't want to be there when it happens" - Woody Allen
Ever been in a busy sport family?
Saturday or Sunday, can make a huge difference. Planning is a constant challenge
Yep. You roll with the draws that change an hour before the game without needing a tissue box. Grand parents back seat, kids in the boot gogogoEver been in a busy sport family?
Saturday or Sunday, can make a huge difference. Planning is a constant challenge
fk ive missed some weddings due to football & cricket finals that got changed. Made the reception but. best things Ive ever done.
I see there are 5 PYL grounds without any referees this Sunday, I know the ref department can only allocate with the resources they have, but hopefully the clubs get onto this early so they are plucking parnt out of the crowd on the day
And I bet the shortage is evenly spread over all 3 groups...I see there are 5 PYL grounds without any referees this Sunday, I know the ref department can only allocate with the resources they have, but hopefully the clubs get onto this early so they are plucking parnt out of the crowd on the day
FYI Theres 1 x Div 1,2 x Div 2 and 1 x Div 3 youth matchdays currently with zero referees allocated.
How do you see what games do and do not have refsI see there are 5 PYL grounds without any referees this Sunday, I know the ref department can only allocate with the resources they have, but hopefully the clubs get onto this early so they are plucking parnt out of the crowd on the day
Refs who are allocated to games are sent the entire list of appointments in an email usually on a Tuesday.Im sure clubs are sent the same email.
put adult club ref in Most clubs are quite good. 2 clubs cannot be trusted & need adult male refs.
Only 1 in Div3 I'm sure it will be your club again.
As of Tuesday.Adamstown v West Wallsend,Magic v Jaffas,Cooks Hill v Belswans,Weston v NIAS.In the past there have been plenty of solutions found between Tuesday and gameday so I doubt all of these fixtures will end up with no referees.
Only 2 clubs?
The latest I have heard is that an appeal by the Referees Department to referees to make themselves available on Sunday has had some success. At least 3 of the 5 grounds originally without referees are now likely to get them. I would think that no-one in the Referee Department would like even one ground going without refs.
I really think these young referees are being set up to fail by Northern, so it’s unsurprising that availability is an issue. There was an U15 kid put in the centre of an U15 game on the weekend who had played against one of the teams 7 days earlier & the other team 18 days earlier. That puts a 14/15 year old kid in a very difficult situation, especially when there’s nothing put in place by means of support such as an older/more experienced person as an AR or a referee coach/mentor.
This goes further than zero tolerance. This goes to setting up a framework for referees that provides an adequate level of support and training, just like any other workplace.
So you would prefer a parent of one of the kids playing,or a club official of one of the teams playing?How about everyone not start their day convinced the referees are out to get them and cheat their little Johnny out of a win.Trust me the referees department are trying their best to make it as fair as possible.But some people need to maybe understand that the referees and players dont take it anywhere near as seriously as the parents and coaches all assuming the refs are cheats.
Availability is an issue because most refs are players and are otherwise busy and there arent enough refs because players and parents would rather complain than do the course and grab a whistle.Its not that deep mate.Far from setting them up to fail,Northern are pretty much the only ones out there supporting the match officials.
Since you’ve selectively quoted my comment, I’ll reiterate my key points:
That puts a 14/15 year old kid in a very difficult situation, especially when there’s nothing put in place by means of support such as an older/more experienced person as an AR or a referee coach/mentor.
Northern need to set up a framework for referees that provides an adequate level of support and training, just like any other workplace.
-Putting a kid out there to referee a game that has a team he played against 7 days prior is setting him up to fail.
-Having little to no game day coaching & mentoring is setting the young referees up to fail
I’ll add:
- Putting young referees out in high pressure games without enough experience and confidence is setting them up to fail
- Promoting young referees to higher age groups on a desperation basis rather than a competency basis is setting them up to fail.
It has nothing to do with an inference of cheating that I did not make. Nor did anyone else to my knowledge make a link to cheating.
My older son went and watched the game in question (he plays in that competition and watched the previous meeting where it ended up in punches being thrown) and was astounded that northern would put the young lad in that difficult spot. Players in the game (some of them referees themselves) made similar statements to my son after the match. So your assertion that the referees and players don’t take such negligence seriously is absolute rolled gold bullshit.
And as for the opening line - “So you would prefer a parent of one of the kids playing,or a club official of one of the teams playing?” In the case I’ve outlined above and in more than one instance I’ve observed with my younger sons u13 team, the answer is yes.
Yes I would absolutely prefer a parent/club official from either team refereeing the game, because as it stands, I believe it is only a matter of time before the negligent performance of the Northern NSW football referees department is going to end in a serious injury to a player, or another mass exit of referees who are under trained, under supported and massively out of their depth.
It has nothing to do with cheating, parent behaviour or coaches behaviour, zero tolerance or any other slogan you want to come up with. However it has everything to do with a negligent work environment for young referees.
Availability is an issue because referees are walking away because they are not being supported. Get your head out of the sand.
There is zero chance of my sons refereeing in the PYL system because there is no support or development happening. Both of my kids instead act as club referees at their local community club where they are supported, coached and feel safe. My 15 year old is beginning to take charge of all age and over 35 games because the club has deemed him competent to do so. I club referee when required. All 3 of us have done the club referees course, but there’s no chance of going into Northerns toxic environment.
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