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    And then I turned a few pages and this article by phil Gould explained in too much detail why I can't stand league...

    Beyond the shit they do off the field, and the way the media overplay all that they do on it, essentially it's a repetive game... And now one of their own admits it.


    The football evolves on the field is it's greatest point of difference from the 13 blokes in one team in the exact same formation as the 13 blokes in the other running at each other.


    NRL's copycat coaches losing sight of the big picture

    Phil Gould
    Published: June 21, 2014 - 7:00PM

    One of the more common inquiries I receive each week from fans is to explain why all teams play their attacking football the same way.

    To a point, that is very true. I guess if all teams played in the same coloured jerseys, it would be hard to tell them apart.

    They all have the same structures, patterns, philosophies and the same plays. Each set of six in their own half looks the same.

    When they get into attacking positions and are trying to score points, the structures and plays all look the same.

    If you watch the NRL regularly you know with 90 per cent certainty what comes next. It’s just a matter of whether your team can do it better than the rival team this weekend.

    Very few NRL teams have a style they could truly call their own. Perhaps the Warriors provide a point of difference to other teams. There are certain aspects of Des Hasler’s Bulldogs that stand them apart. The Sea Eagles have a little something, too.

    My simple answer to these questions is that if all NRL coaches are playing the game pretty much the same way, then this must be the best way to play.

    It’s difficult for those of us on the outside looking in, to question those who are engrossed in this space every day.

    If there was a better way, I’m sure someone would’ve produced it by now. I get the feeling that if someone tried to play the game differently, they would probably get thumped. That’s certainly the fear that prevents most coaches from straying too far from the beaten path.

    I do understand how fans of particular teams must get exasperated when they see their team is struggling, but they keep doing the same things over and over, each and every week, even though the results don’t get any better. I share their frustration.

    I get irritated watching games where teams are going through their attacking plays as though they were choreographed dance sequences, even though this style of football doesn’t necessarily suit the skill set of their players they have at their disposal.

    Some of them look like a dog trying to run on wet lino. There’s plenty of energy and effort, you can see where they’d like to go, but all they are doing is spinning their wheels going nowhere.

    Don’t get me wrong. Today’s players are truly outstanding athletes. They are fitter, stronger, bigger and more powerful than ever.

    But how many of them are really students of the game? How many of them actually look outside their own pocket of action on the field? I guess the bigger question is, how many are encouraged to look outside their pocket of action?

    The scary thing is that it goes far deeper than just the NRL teams we see on television every weekend.

    If you watch the lower-grade football, it is identical. The development pathways and junior representative teams pretty much replicate what the big boys are doing.

    Even if you go right back down into park and junior league football, you can see the influence of NRL structures as far back as teams at 10 years of age.

    From very early in a young player’s career they are being taught to play in lanes.

    The vast majority of kids are confined to a playing zone, either in the middle, left or right side of the field. The skill set being taught to kids may well be specific; however, I find it to be very limited and restrictive.

    I don’t think it gives kids an overall knowledge of the game. Versatility is now a rare commodity. The kid could end up playing in this one part of the field for the rest of his days, because that is all he has ever been taught.

    So if this is all we are coaching into kids from the time they start playing, chances are we are going to be locked into this style of football for at least another 20 years.

    If we study the evolution of attacking football down through the decades, we can see elements of the game that was played in the 60s and 70s still very evident in the modern game.

    We can see the influence of great coaches and special individual players from certain eras on today’s action. However, the roles of players and positions within a team framework have become more defined, more scripted and more controlled.

    I have long held the fear that junior league has been far too influenced by what they see in the professional game. The thought of junior coaches coaching kids like they were NRL teams has always been of great concern to me.

    I think we coach creativity out of kids. By the time they have come through the more elite development and junior representative programs, we have pretty much taken their size and their skill set, and moulded it into becoming a more common cog in an even more common wheel.

    Kids are coached very much on the HOW. I’m not so sure coaching spends enough time coaching the WHY.

    Of course, attacking football in the professional game has been heavily sculptured by several factors.

    The effects of almost two decades of full-time training, rigorous video analysis, the vastly improved fitness and strength of the individuals, constant rule changes and the evolution of tackling and wrestling techniques. It’s something of a vicious cycle in this regard.

    The players being recruited and developed these days are primarily in the size and power mode. They are recruited to fit a mould or a specific job within a team framework, therefore, the style of game and player is being perpetuated.

    Old timers, such as me, keep an eye out for the kid that just plays like a footballer. They are still around.

    But if they can’t hit, stick, wrestle or physically push their frame through the defensive line with brute force, they are generally overlooked before they get the chance to develop their talents.

    Players are not so much promoted on ABILITY, but rather on their RELIABILITY. Coaches look more at whether the athlete will stand up to the physical demands for the long term, rather than imagining what else the footballer may bring to the team?

    The basics of football have never really changed. If you want to win consistently , your team needs to be able to go forward, control the ball, kick, chase and tackle.

    That’s pretty much football in a nutshell. There isn’t a great deal of science in all of that. If the player has the physical capabilities, the coach can find a role for him within this framework.

    However, I believe so many other aspects of these basics are being neglected. Or at least they are not being fully explored.

    How conscious are we of developing or expanding the individual talents of a playmaker? Or helping all players within the team THINK their way through games rather than just using their bodies and following a rigid script?

    I would like to replace teaching the kids the HOW with teaching them more about the WHY. Or better still, the WHY NOT?

    We teach them the HOW as though this is the only way to perform their role. Every player, in each position, in every team, is pretty much given the same job. The frustrating thing is that their skill sets are rarely developed beyond the narrow scope of their restricted roles.

    I get more excited in coaching the WHY.

    Why do we run this sequence, this play, this angle, this pass?

    What reaction are we looking for from the defensive line? How can we get a defender to react the way we want him to react? How many different plays can we execute to get the reaction we desire?

    What other possible reactions could we see? How will we react if they do what we predict? How will we act if they react differently? What comes next? How do we take advantage of any confusion or disorganisation we have created in the defensive line?

    I always liked to explore the talents of an individual and determine how and when he likes to get the ball to bring his unique skills or footwork into play.

    I liked to study all the ways he will react instinctively in a given situation and then have the teamwork to create these opportunities for the individual.

    Coaches should be constantly searching for ways to push beyond the boundaries of what currently exists. Anyone can become good at this game if they train hard and work hard. But how do you become great? And how do you go from being great to being No.1?

    You can’t be the best if you simply follow what everyone else is doing.

    To me, that should be the goal. Not to be like everyone else, but to be the best.

    Phil Gould is general manager of the Penrith Panthers

    This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/l...621-zsh9n.html

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    http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/j...eplace-taggart

    The Newcastle Jets have signed an Ecuadorian striker and are possibly looking to bring in another forward to replace Fulham-bound Socceroo Adam Taggart.
    A Spanish midfielder has also been snapped up to replace the loss of Zenon Caravella and Ruben Zadkovich.
    FourFourTwo Australia understands the two new player signings have already been finalised.
    “We need to replace Adam Taggart and are currently looking,” new coach Phil Stubbins said.
    “We’ve already signed one young striker from Ecuador plus an experienced Spanish midfielder with many years of La Liga experience behind him.”
    “The Spanish player signed is to help replace Caravella and Zadkovich.
    “Maybe another striker as well as the Ecuadorian.”
    Emile Heskey, Taggart and Joey Gibbs have departed the club’s strikeforce from last season, while the midfield has lost James Brown, Caravella and skipper Zadkovich.
    In defence Connor Chapman and Josh Mitchell have departed from the 2013-2014 squad.
    The Jets have already signed defender Adrian Madaschi and midfielder Josh Barresi.
    And it is understood the club is still in the market for two more players ahead of the 2014-15 campaign.
    Stubbins is confident the Jets will be able to match the contribution of Taggart who was the A-League’s top goalscorer last season.
    “Obviously the goals amassed by Taggart were of significant numbers, however it’s a great opportunity for the rest of the players to step up now,” he said.
    “I wanted more contributors from the squad moving forward and I believe we have more now.
    "Taggart will be missed but I’m confident in the group we have to get us the goals we need.”
    The names of the latest signings are expected to be announced officially by the club soon.
    So... no real new news apart from senior Spanish player in midfield and confirmation that the theorised Ecuadorian striker is actually Ecuadorian.

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    Seriously if you are going to give such specific info like "young Ecuador striker and experienced Spain midfielder" you may as well just tell everyone who the **** they are! Just dragging it out is pissing everyone off!

    Fact is, if it falls through, everyone will ****ing know if a Spain or Ecuador don't show at start of season.

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    hopefully he does well

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    Aaron Kearney was saying on the radio this morning that there has been complications overnight with the spanish player and it may have fallen through.

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    back to normal service then

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    Bet the Spanish player was/is Cirio from AUFC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snake View Post
    bridges made the world in 6-8 wks

    he then rested by the corner flag and all was gud
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Stubbins
    Hopefully it’s the four players, but, if not, the three, and if not, the two.
    Quote Originally Posted by Maito Mitch View Post
    Do you ever get bored of sprouting the same old crap? You're about as predictable as the punishment on the field we sit through once a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    Bet the Spanish player was/is Cirio from AUFC.
    Cirio was not really a midfielder though, he was more a wide attacker. Well thats where he played for Adelaide.

    If it was him, im not too upset. He didnt really standout in my opinon
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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    Bet the Spanish player was/is Cirio from AUFC.
    I don't think Cirio ever played La Liga though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimario View Post
    Harper just described our play as constipated. Perfect description of our slow movement that goes nowhere and of our coach who is full of shit.

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    Spanish deal definitely fallen through
    However, a bid to bring in an experienced Spanish midfielder – revealed to be 33-year-old Arturo GarcĂ*a Muñoz, or Arzu – fell short unexpectedly yesterday morning.

    Stubbins had hoped Arzu, who played most of his 270 games with Real Betis in La Liga, would be in Newcastle for a medical this week.

    Any chance of a deal ended in a 2am phone call from Arzu to Stubbins yesterday.

    ‘‘He would have been great for us,’’ Stubbins said. ‘‘He was captain of Real Betis at one stage and played with, and against, some very good players but it wasn’t to be.

    ‘‘His wife is due to have their second baby in August and it proved a bridge too far to be away from his young family.
    http://www.theherald.com.au/story/23...ontman/?cs=306

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    Could someone list all the guys we're supposedly trying to sign? Right now we're at 21, Birraz is still expected to leave so that moves us down to 20. So, we've only got three more spots left

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarfy96 View Post
    Spanish deal definitely fallen through

    http://www.theherald.com.au/story/23...ontman/?cs=306
    Midleby to blame for this. If only he had of sealed this transfer without knocking up his wife.

    Midleby out

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    i knew it

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    FFA announces national club identity policy

    Football Federation Australia (FFA) has today announced that a National Club Identity Policy will be implemented for all clubs affiliated to FFA-approved competitions, effective from today.

    The policy has been developed after the Member Federations and FFA identified a need for ‎a national policy in regard to club names and identities, which will provide consistency and certainty across all jurisdictions..

    FFA CEO David Gallop explained that the key principle of the National Club Identity Policy is to promote football as Australia’s most inclusive, accessible and multicultural sport.

    “Football is now a part of the mainstream of Australian society and has achieved that status while also retaining its rich diversity,” said Gallop.

    “The intent of the National Club Identity Policy is to ensure the game remains inclusive and accessible, not just in the way we organise ourselves, but in how we engage with the community.

    “The very name and logo of a club sends a message about what that club stands for. We want clubs that stand for uniting people through the joy of football,” concluded Gallop.

    The National Club Identity Policy says that any new or revised club names, logos and emblems of clubs may have the following components; words or letters in English; and/or references to the broader geographic area in which the club is located; and/or colours; and/or references to flora; and/or references to fauna, provided that these components do not carry any ethnic, national, political, racial or religious connotations either in isolation or combination.

    The policy will not be applied retrospectively, in deference to those clubs with long-standing usage of names that would otherwise not comply with the new policy.

    The full policy can be viewed at www.footballaustralia.com.au or the websites of the nine State and Territory Member Federations.
    bye bye efnicks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmac79 View Post
    bye bye efnicks
    So any current club is OK, it's just new clubs that can't do this?

    What clubs in Newcastle would be affected if they could make current clubs change?

    - Hamilton Azzuri (Azzuri is Italian)
    - Hunter Simba (Simba is a non-English word)
    - Hamilton Olympic (would they make Greek teams remove the Olympic?)
    - NBN Azzuri (has Italian flag in logo, doesn't it?)
    - Broadmeadow Magic (does it's logo show the Macedonian flag from memory?)

    Any others?

    What do they plan on doing about the Christian Leagues? Their entire league, and most teams, carry religious connotations.
    Last edited by pv4; 26-06-2014 at 04:25 PM. Reason: they're their there
    OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by pv4 View Post
    So any current club is OK, it's just new clubs that can't do this?

    What clubs in Newcastle would be affected if they could make current clubs change?

    - Hamilton Azzuri (Azzuri is Italian)
    - Hunter Simba (Simba is a non-English word)
    - Hamilton Olympic (would they make Greek teams remove the Olympic?)
    - NBN Azzuri (has Italian flag in logo, doesn't it?)
    - Broadmeadow Magic (does it's logo show the Macedonian flag from memory?)

    Any others?

    What do they plan on doing about the Christian Leagues? They're entire league, and most teams, carry religious connotations.
    christian leagues arent registered with ffa are they?

    I can see this actually dividing the game, we could end up with unregistered leagues springing up - more so in sydney and melbourne

    One of the strengths of the game is that in any given league there are clubs representing thier members ethnic background, and a look at he league table is great evidenvce of the diversity our game represents.


    As a white, anglo-saxon protestant I'd like to start a team called the Wingham WASPS, playing in all white. Can this be approved.

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    i was of the impresison that there already are unregistered leagues running in sydney, with stacks of blokes that have been banned from FFA affiliated leagues

    your bash brothers FCs and the like

    i guarantee this will do absolutely nothing to the game though, whatsoever

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    Quote Originally Posted by q-money View Post
    i was of the impresison that there already are unregistered leagues running in sydney, with stacks of blokes that have been banned from FFA affiliated leagues

    your bash brothers FCs and the like

    i guarantee this will do absolutely nothing to the game though, whatsoever


    Yeah, would be more of an issue in your Sydneys, Melbournes, etc.

    Not sure how much of an effect it would have in Newcastle. Most clubs update their logos every 10 or so years anyway, so you'd imagine the likes of Azzuri (NBN) and Magic wouldn't have the worlds biggest cry if it happened. If Olympic were forced to change their name they'd probably have a fit. I have no idea how Hamilton Azzuri is setup and run but I imagine they'd eventually come to terms with changing their name (the only thing I know about that club is I've seen two of their teams, neither of which seemed to have Italian players in it from my incredibly quick scout - great logo though). Simba, particularly because they're new, I'm sure wouldn't care too much.

    It'd probably just be your clubs in West Sydney that are running around in red/white checks and the likes that are going to cause the biggest stinks.
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    East Sydney hakoah.
    Go jetties

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