Daily Australian News Thread 2014

[plague]

I can see Members point in some regards.
In a salary capped league the disparity between best and worst shouldnt be what we are witnessing at the moment. If it was just money then wouldnt Sydney or Melbourne have won it every year? For a comp having had 4 different clubs (Syd/Melb/Bris/Jets) win the grand final from 9 years says that anyone is in with a shot. Id say out of that only the Syd and Melb titles and maybe Brisbane year 3 would have been from clubs in the top 3 spending wise yeah*?
Brisbanes first title was from a coach who didnt have the best rep at the time and he had not long before rissoled his "big name" players.

Also you could point to the Wanderers winning the ACL with probably one of the lowest budget of any of the knockout round teams to show that theres more to it (like bribing the refs maybe?).
However you look at it we are rubbish and getting rubbisher. To blame most if not all of it on money is a cop out IMO.

Now if you'll all excuse me I'm going to wash the stink of agreeing with the Member off me.

Cheers,
Plague.

* i dont have operating budgets in front of me but please provide figures if anyone has them id be interested.

[lquiquer]

For a comp having had 4 different clubs (Syd/Melb/Bris/Jets) win the grand final from 9 years says that anyone is in with a shot.

Waking up from a bad bad nightmare and finding out that Gypos actually never won it.......oh my god I'm back baby. See u all in Parra......

[MFKS]

Well said Plague and you saved me a lot of the hassle and I apoligise for the shower you had to have. Hope the water wasn't cold!!! .

Roarcelona GF win no 1 achieved what they did Miracle of Brisbane undefeated streak etc done so under FFA Control. Don't recall them spending big to sign anyone. Matter of fact they signed a pile of no names from the state leagues and recruited wisely from overseas

Wankers the last 2 seasons have made the GF 2 years running spending nothing other than a small amount extra on Shinji to go with their second hand cast off squad whilst under FFA Control.

Gypos have had teams consistently at the top of the ladder for the last 4-5 years and those ****s are ****ing skint


Adelaide are not loaded and have little extra money yet have a good side coming along who should go close to winning it and are well coached despite not spending up big
Perth have not spent big yet recruited wisely and have a good balance and look at how well they are placed with a coach who most people think is clueless


Heart on the other hand have spent up big in the off season and got what to show for it?? Little
Victree have constantly spent big yet haven't made a GF in 5 years and have rarely been close at seasons end
Smurfs have spent even more and haven't been a serious threat for 5 years also and have spent most of that time scraping into the 6 at our expense. Even with 2 million a season on a Marquee the best they could do was 5th

Make no mistake about it money and having plenty can be useful in this league. It is definitely not the be all and end all and you can achieve great things in spite of it.

Most of our problems at the Jets can actually be fixed without money and anyone thinking otherwise is in more denial than the club admin.

[sammydog]

So you are saying, without spending any money we can get the backroom staff that you think the club needs?

I think you are wrong, if you want the best in the club admin, staff and coaching it costs money.

I agree that on the pitch its pretty even across the teams and you don't have to spend big there to be successful, but you can't be cheap behind the scenes and I think this is where some of the bigger budgeted clubs excel.

[plague]

Waking up from a bad bad nightmare and finding out that Gypos actually never won it.......oh my god I'm back baby. See u all in Parra......

yeah mate. i fact checked it and everything (using nf.net) and its def 4 from 9.

[GazFish35]

It's all about money, and where and how you spend it.

Good people cost money.
Lots of good people cost lots of money.

And that in no way is a dig at anyone who has ever worked for the club.
We've always been understaffed and overworked... Or distracted by also running the knights.

In a comp equalled out by limiting spending on playing staff we've struggled spending money elsewhere in the club set up in areas where the advantage truly lies. We've never had an own owner willing to spend the money in back room staff, coaching, marketing and community engagement.

[plague]

So you are saying, without spending any money we can get the backroom staff that you think the club needs?

I think you are wrong, if you want the best in the club admin, staff and coaching it costs money.

I dont know anyone saying that we dont need money, i think people are saying that we arent spending our money as wisely as others.

Id dare say Gombau (is that how you spell it?) is getting paid less than Gypo Arnie, prob less than Heart bloke too. Whos the better coach?
Adelaide CEO went OS in search of a coach and came back with a star.
Jets CEO went OS to find a buyer for the club, and all we got was a ****ing selfie with Sir Alex.

[380]

I can see Members point in some regards.
In a salary capped league the disparity between best and worst shouldnt be what we are witnessing at the moment. If it was just money then wouldnt Sydney or Melbourne have won it every year? For a comp having had 4 different clubs (Syd/Melb/Bris/Jets) win the grand final from 9 years says that anyone is in with a shot. Id say out of that only the Syd and Melb titles and maybe Brisbane year 3 would have been from clubs in the top 3 spending wise yeah*?
Brisbanes first title was from a coach who didnt have the best rep at the time and he had not long before rissoled his "big name" players.

Also you could point to the Wanderers winning the ACL with probably one of the lowest budget of any of the knockout round teams to show that theres more to it (like bribing the refs maybe?).
However you look at it we are rubbish and getting rubbisher. To blame most if not all of it on money is a cop out IMO.

Now if you'll all excuse me I'm going to wash the stink of agreeing with the Member off me.

Cheers,
Plague.

* i dont have operating budgets in front of me but please provide figures if anyone has them id be interested.

This. On the shortlist for post of the year

[MFKS]

So you are saying, without spending any money we can get the backroom staff that you think the club needs?

No it will cost money that is an obvious statement. Unfortunately we won't find anyone to do it for free!!!

I think though we can achieve better quality of backroom staff than we currently have at this time or have had in recent times by spending no more than we currently do anyway for the results we get

I think we can also achieve a quality of backroom staff on the money currently being spent by Tinks/FFA or whoever is paying the bills to provide us with a backroom staff and ALSO a playing staff who are in the top 4 and a serious contender for the title

It's all about money, and where and how you spend it.

Good people cost money.
Lots of good people cost lots of money.

And that in no way is a dig at anyone who has ever worked for the club.
We've always been understaffed and overworked... Or distracted by also running the knights.

In a comp equalled out by limiting spending on playing staff we've struggled spending money elsewhere in the club set up in areas where the advantage truly lies. We've never had an own owner willing to spend the money in back room staff, coaching, marketing and community engagement.

Some good points Mr Fish

This one is particularly fitting

money, and where and how you spend it.

We have spent the last few years paying shit loads paying out inept coaches. The value for money we got out of them was piss poor
We have spent the last few years paying the salary cap and Heskeytimes and Culina's wages on our marquees and playing squad. The value we have got out of them was piss poor.

Compared to everyone else spending the same we are getting the worse bang in the HAL for our (Tinks) bucks.

We need to start getting these decisions on signing not signing players/coaches/admin etc RIGHT and not failing at the rate we do

Problem lies with the people making decisions in our club and that is the CEO Palmer Baartz Bridges Coaching department etc CONSTANTLY making the wrong ones or very poor ones with who they recruit on the park as well as off the park.

[plague]

Actually a good point about spending money is how we've dealt with Michael Bridges.
Between playing contracts, assistant coaching roles and 'embassador' roles how many of you think that the money we spent on could have been better spent elsewhere?
Yet someone in charge of our club continually spent money on this bloke versus using these scant resources for another more in need area.

Go on lads, defend your boy.

[lquiquer]

I dont know anyone saying that we dont need money, i think people are saying that we arent spending our money as wisely as others.

^ spot on Plague.....but also because of clowns currently running our club I got the feeling that a lot of players / managers are not too keen to settle in downtown Newy for a couple of years: Paartalu, Burns, Arnie.....etc

[Frodo]

If our club magically found $5 million tomorrow do you think we would win the league this year or next year?

If the FFA took us over and replaced the board members do think we would have as much, more or less chance of winning the league this year or next?

[GazFish35]

We've often taken the cheapest option even when we have spent money.




Money spent right is the key.
Look at soufs. It took big rusty a decade to turn than tinpot club into a winning team.
Salary capped league, but clearly his cash spent well helped change things.

[plague]

If the FFA took us over and replaced the board members do think we would have as much, more or less chance of winning the league this year or next?

No guarantee of more but definitely not less.

[furns]

It doesn't have to be the most expensive people - it has to be the RIGHT people.
You know, like all the people the FFA stole from other clubs to set up wanderers as a success.

[matty]

Forgetting the weekend, here is some relatively posative news to start the day. Take it how u please


http://www.theherald.com.au/story/27...aining/?cs=306

[Tommyjet]

Forgetting the weekend, here is some relatively posative news to start the day. Take it how u please


http://www.theherald.com.au/story/27...aining/?cs=306

Really hope caravella is dropped. I wonder if pepper will come back into consideration

[Premy]

Really hope caravella is dropped. I wonder if pepper will come back into consideration

I doubt circle work will be dropped if Kanta plays CB

[WolfMan]

Looks like a file photo - unless Steele has been recalled?

[Grimario]

Forgetting the weekend, here is some relatively posative news to start the day. Take it how u please


http://www.theherald.com.au/story/27...aining/?cs=306

To find the cloud behind the silver lining...

Given how shit our first eleven is, how honking is our second string if they make our first choice look good?