The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[The Dunster]

Big money involved in military contracts. Presidents need to show goodwill to theses suppliers which means bombing a few 3rd world nations every few years or so.
Trump's not a big enough player to go against their wishes.

[plague]

yeah but his whole schtick is that he's not a politician right?

maybe a real pollie wouldn't have tried to start world war 3.


Ok, presented with the same circumstances what would you have done?

[parksey]

well the same thing happened in 2013 right, which led Obama etc. to call for their chemical weapons to be destroyed - and they supposedly were until this happened.

i don't really see how doing this so soon was the right thing to do at all, seems very much like a knee jerk reaction from a hot headed, immature man. it was hardly a carefully considered response.

it's hard to back a man who had repeatedly stated the us wouldn't get involved with Assad, despite the hundreds of thousands of people who have been killed in this war and the weekly bombings which kill more people than this chemical attack did.

[plague]

well the same thing happened in 2013 right, which led Obama etc. to call for their chemical weapons to be destroyed - and they supposedly were until this happened.

i don't really see how doing this so soon was the right thing to do at all, seems very much like a knee jerk reaction from a hot headed, immature man. it was hardly a carefully considered response.

it's hard to back a man who had repeatedly stated the us wouldn't get involved with Assad, despite the hundreds of thousands of people who have been killed in this war and the weekly bombings which kill more people than this chemical attack did.

Well Obamas red line/line in the sand etc was exactly that, just an imaginary line. It didn't work because Syria just kept on keeping on.

So if Trump does the same as Obama he's 'innefective'.

If Trump does nothing he's 'soft' for letting kids get gassed.

If Trump drops bombs he's a 'hypocrite' and a 'war monger'.

Every option, there's room to criticise.

I've got no sympathy for the bloke who bags Obama yet finds when he gets to the big boy chair he's the one who can't win.

As for 'hot headed' and 'knee jerk', the specifics of Americas retaliation points to it being about as 'soft' a missle attack as you can have.

They bombed the exact airstrip that was used to launch the chemical attack.
The airstrip wasn't co-shared with the Russians so it couldn't be seen as provoking them.
The Yanks notified the Russians of the attack before it happened to at least keep the lines of diplomacy open.

Again, they could have sent a bunch of drones in the blow a few hospitals up etc not as if that hadn't happened before.

So yeah **** war and all the bullshit along with it but Trumps finding out that being the Prez ain't all plane rides and rounds of golf.


Oh who am I kidding we should have just started a hashtag or Insta filter, that fixes everything doesn't it?

[hawk]

i don't really see how doing this so soon was the right thing to do at all, seems very much like a knee jerk reaction from a hot headed, immature man. it was hardly a carefully considered response.

it's hard to back a man who had repeatedly stated the us wouldn't get involved with Assad, despite the hundreds of thousands of people who have been killed in this war and the weekly bombings which kill more people than this chemical attack did.

All presos must be hot headed and immature cause they have done similar or worse. You too scared to lay into Putin? cause he is the same or worse.

And which war are you talking about? they're many currently occurring globally on differing scales. Just stick with the popular outrages and pretend thats cool man.

[parksey]

All presos must be hot headed and immature cause they have done similar or worse. You too scared to lay into Putin? cause he is the same or worse.

And which war are you talking about? they're many currently occurring globally on differing scales. Just stick with the popular outrages and pretend thats cool man.

I think Putin is an abomination but we're talking about Trump innit. And the Syrian war of course.

As for what Plague said, I just think you're missing the point. He said explicitly he wouldn't get involved and would dial back the military commitments in Syria, then he does this and only two days after the event that prompted it. What he's done had the potential to create some serious shit, pretty far removed from all his rhetoric about America first, staying out of the world's problems etc. Russia is clearly not happy despite the two hours notice they received, Syria is one of their closest allies.

[plague]

As for what Plague said, I just think you're missing the point. He said explicitly he wouldn't get involved and would dial back the military commitments in Syria, then he does this and only two days after the event that prompted it. What he's done had the potential to create some serious shit, pretty far removed from all his rhetoric about America first, staying out of the world's problems etc. Russia is clearly not happy despite the two hours notice they received, Syria is one of their closest allies.

No, I haven't missed the point.
I totally agree he changed his position on issues once his level of responsibility changed.

I freely state it makes him a hypocrite.

And?

Was the same level of ridicule levelled at Obama and Clinton for changing their stance on issues?

Now what? We've all had our digs at him but he's still the bloke in the big chair needing to push the button and be the hypocrite or do nothing and be labelled spineless and non caring.

You still never answered my question, in the same position what would you have done?

[plague]

Also for all our contestants crying out at Trump being a war monger and trying to start WW3, the Obama administration pumped 47 cruise missiles into Syria during 2014.

Not sure what they all hit but I'm sure they were all perfectly aimed and killed only bad guys and only destroyed evil bad guy lairs.

[plague]

Also the biggest concern is that Alex Jones has already announced the gas attack was a false flag so us all sheeple just got fooled again.

[The Dunster]

Also the biggest concern is that Alex Jones has already announced the gas attack was a false flag so us all sheeple just got fooled again.

I have no idea who Alex Jones is so she or he must be very important.

[plague]

I have no idea who Alex Jones is so she or he must be very important.

That's because you aren't woke enough Dunster.

[hawk]

I think Putin is an abomination but we're talking about Trump innit. And the Syrian war of course.

You slippin? you said you wanted russia to nukem so i think refering to Russia is warranted. Its cool to blame the US for everything and they do have alot to answer dgmw but the middle east is the worlds cvnt pit right now. Africa (pick a kuntry) not so far behind.

Q. what do you think of returned soldiers?

[parksey]

You slippin? you said you wanted russia to nukem so i think refering to Russia is warranted. Its cool to blame the US for everything and they do have alot to answer dgmw but the middle east is the worlds cvnt pit right now. Africa (pick a kuntry) not so far behind.

Q. what do you think of returned soldiers?

only because of the no wanking thing. i don't hate the us for its interventionism.

as for what i'd do, plague. i'm hardly an expert in warfare and don't know all the avenues available to him. obviously something had to be done, just as it has for years now. to me it seemed hamfisted, but maybe that's just because of my perception of him.

[The Dunster]

You slippin? you said you wanted russia to nukem so i think refering to Russia is warranted. Its cool to blame the US for everything and they do have alot to answer dgmw but the middle east is the worlds cvnt pit right now. Africa (pick a kuntry) not so far behind.

Q. what do you think of returned soldiers?

The middle east / Africa things been going on in one form or another for over a 1000 years.

Returned soldiers ? Pick a war.
WW1 were conscripted - no choice in the matter
WW2 fought a genuine threat,
Korea - debateable. - but given the situation and all someone had to help them - much like we were helped ten years earlier
Vietnam - Access to cheap home loans was the main carrot dangled to the Aussie soldiers - many of whom really didn't know what they were getting into. Soldiers can't be blamed for lying governments / Corporations
Iraq - Sometimes you have to back your mates even when you know they are wrong.

Dgmw I hate wars but I'd hate to think where we would be today if a few hundred thousand yanks didn't risk / lose their lives restoring order in the Pacific 70 odd years ago.

We were well within the cross hairs of the Japanese and without the Yanks we would have been wiped out pretty quickly.

[hawk]

Me too.
Is their a correlation between age, young/old peoples feelings/thoughts about war and returned diggers? Do you need to be over 30 to properly gauge what is best for world combat politics? Yeah the Yanks are annoying and war chasers but i still wonder why they cop worse abuse than the dictators in many countries killing anyone at will. cool factor for mine.

Did the youth revolution undeservedly stick it to the Viet vets? I probs would have join in the protests at 18 but not at 30.
ICBF doing a study past 5 people.

[pv4]

The People's Champ Hinchy telling it how it is

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-11/derryn-hinch-tells-millennials-home-ownership-is-not-their-right/8433498

[The Dunster]

The People's Champ Hinchy telling it how it is

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-11/derryn-hinch-tells-millennials-home-ownership-is-not-their-right/8433498

The article is garbage. It assumes the government has a budget constraint which determines its fiscal ability to pay pensions. There is no financial constraint on governments to pay pensions. None what so ever.

[hawk]

Hang on. A dream home is owning something grand or in a top spot. home ownership shouldnt be a dream or a right. Hard work and toil should gain a home if wanted.

If interest rates go up housing will become more affordable at least from the purchase price perspective. Clamping down on foriegn ownership would help too.

[The Dunster]

Hang on. A dream home is owning something grand or in a top spot. home ownership shouldnt be a dream or a right. Hard work and toil should gain a home if wanted.

If interest rates go up housing will become more affordable at least from the purchase price perspective. Clamping down on foriegn ownership would help too.

It's hard but a lot of people don't realise that they need to go without a few perks to make it a reality.

Nothing wrong with starting small - a house is a house. It's for providing shelter - it's not about status or prestige.

There is no significant relationship between interest rates and investment. The relationship between income and investment is much stronger / predictable.

As long as incomes are rising so to will housing prices.

The issue is that not everyone's incomes are rising.
Agree about the Foreign ownership - it's out of control.

[The Dunster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKL9b5-DL4A

[plague]

Hey Dunster if you want a perfect real world example of labor prices falling behind cost of living come to Hong Kong.
Min wage = $5.60 hr
Cheapest (new) apartment we could find was about $400k and that was about a 45min train ride from the main drag. Which for a place the size of HK would be like commuting from Burke to work in Sydney.
The govt introduced an 'affordable housing' scheme to give locals first shot at those apartments and 79,000 applications were made for the 2,000 units offered.

Public transport and food/beer is dirt cheap.
The economy is set up so you can have the basics (rent/food/transport). But the cashed up Chinese flooding in from the mainland have decided that you can have nothing more.

It's quite amazing to see the disparity in 'classes'.

And everyone just shrugging their shoulders about trying to make it better.

[q-money]

just follow my HK tips and you'll be rich plagueos

[hawk]

errr, happy Jesus death day. You all love it

[The Dunster]

Hey Dunster if you want a perfect real world example of labor prices falling behind cost of living come to Hong Kong.
Min wage = $5.60 hr
Cheapest (new) apartment we could find was about $400k and that was about a 45min train ride from the main drag. Which for a place the size of HK would be like commuting from Burke to work in Sydney.
The govt introduced an 'affordable housing' scheme to give locals first shot at those apartments and 79,000 applications were made for the 2,000 units offered.

Public transport and food/beer is dirt cheap.
The economy is set up so you can have the basics (rent/food/transport). But the cashed up Chinese flooding in from the mainland have decided that you can have nothing more.

It's quite amazing to see the disparity in 'classes'.

And everyone just shrugging their shoulders about trying to make it better.

It's an easy fix. Just give tax cuts to the cashed up Chinese coming in and take away penalty rates from the poorest workers. At least that's what Malcolm Turnbull would do.

Jokes aside - yes HK has some problems - they have fora long time. Not a lot of land for six million people which makes things difficult enough due to excess demand. Then like you said you add in cashed up Chinese and it's even worse.

I have worked with a few Chinese academics over the years and their stories about China and HK are horrifying.
Imagine just finishing your Phd at 22 years of age and getting a knock at the door from armed officers to take you to your new government assignment.
The assignment was that the government put your academic career on hold and made you work on a farm for 12 years.
Why ? Because they can and needed to make examples for the greater public that no matter how hard you work or how intelligent you are you the government controls your life.
In 1997 after 12 years my friend was released. He made a dash to HK - spent about 6 months there and said it was pretty much going the same way so he came to Australia with practically nothing and started a new life.
He's still here working and you wouldn't meet a nicer person. Just don't call him Chinese. He's an Australian and absolutely hates China and everything about it.
Looks like what he feared about HK is well and truly in motion.

[plague]

just follow my HK tips and you'll be rich plagueos

Plague Jnr wasn't allowed to go to Happy Valley so pulled the pin. Terrible example set by the HK govt not letting the kiddies get a taste for the track.
No wonder the world is going to Hell.

[q-money]

currently on da front lines of history here in Seoul, is your mate Big Don gonna pull the trigger tomorrow? My flight's at 8pm Saturday :rof:

[The Dunster]

currently on da front lines of history here in Seoul, is your mate Big Don gonna pull the trigger tomorrow? My flight's at 8pm Saturday :rof:

I'd have no problems with Big Don levelling Korea. Khunt of a country North or South. I used to deal with Koreans on a daily basis at work and you couldn't find a more corrupt / morally bankrupt group of people if you tried.
I'm currently at war with LG over my OLED TV failing after 10 months - and while I'm guaranteed to win legal proceedings someone with less time and money than I have would pretty much be screwed and left with $8000 of TV with a vertical line on the screen.

[plague]

currently on da front lines of history here in Seoul, is your mate Big Don gonna pull the trigger tomorrow? My flight's at 8pm Saturday :rof:
I'm heading to Japan now to help hold the fort.
With Trump on our side how could things go wrong.

[The Dunster]

http://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/trump-draws-the-alphabet.gif

[steve136]

Covfefe to you all this evening.

[plague]

Covfefe to you all this evening.

Trump is the best.

[plague]

More magic from President Trump today.
#MAGA

[The Dunster]

More magic from President Trump today.
#MAGA

With the impending economic slowdown the US will probably meet the emissions target by default anyway. I really have no issue with Trump not wanting to be a part of this token / pseudo Global Warming campaign. Reducing emissions is important but these pacts are not worth the paper they are printed on. All smoke and mirrors much like the gay marriage debate which is again taking peoples focus from what really matters - income distribution and jobs.

[plague]

and the fact all this came as yet another Hillary meltdown went public he's just trolling for fun now.

[The Dunster]

and the fact all this came as yet another Hillary meltdown went public he's just trolling for fun now.

Hillary was offering the US people more of the same - rising costs of living, falling real wages, and mass unemployment. She effectively went to the polls without any policies much the same as Obahma did before her but most people had woken up by now. Trump might be a goose but he at least showed up with a slogan / plan and a list of policies he believed would help make America great again.

Credit to Hillary though for helping people decide early why Trump deserves a 2nd term in office.

[hawk]

I take it India is allowed to quadruple coal burning and emissions cause they currently have fkall?

Even if they arent sure about environmental effect emissions need to be lowered each yr by every kuntry.

Will trump get overthrown after his first term? Doesnt happen that often

[plague]

I just don't see why the world is gonna end just because the U.S and A backed out of a pretend deal.


Surely the rest of the world if they are all good un-Trump like countries will get the temperature down and stop the sea levels from consuming one of Hawks mansions.


What am I missing here?

[steve136]

I just don't see why the world is gonna end just because the U.S and A backed out of a pretend deal.


Surely the rest of the world if they are all good un-Trump like countries will get the temperature down and stop the sea levels from consuming one of Hawks mansions.


What am I missing here?

The main component I believe is that the US will not deliver the $2 billion that remains of its $3 billion pledge to finance international climate efforts.

I'm tired of economically ignorant old men making decisions like Trump is on climate change though. Industries currently developing renewable energy solutions are growing at 17 times that of the economy. You'd think the lazy old fools in petroleum and coal would listen-up and get with the program. But you know how it goes: If their money is good, which it is right now, they won't change to address the future of their industry's economic prospects until the very last minute. Just ask anyone who remembers the 1987-89 oil crash.

[plague]

The main component I believe is that the US will not deliver the $2 billion that remains of its $3 billion pledge to finance international climate efforts.


So the world is cranky at the US and A for not giving them welfare.


Sounds like a typical university demo.

Good on Trump for not caving.

[steve136]

So the world is cranky at the US and A for not giving them welfare.


Sounds like a typical university demo.

Good on Trump for not caving.

Yeah, I'll absolutely admit, you've got to give it to him for being his own man.

His Secretary of State told him not to do it. The military told him not to do it. 69 Fortune 500 companies told him not to do it. Exxon, BP, Chevron, Mobil and ConocoPhillips told him not to do it. Their Allies in the European Union told him not to do it. The majority of the citizens of the United States told him not to do it. He did it anyways.

[plague]

Yeah, I'll absolutely admit, you've got to give it to him for being his own man.

His Secretary of State told him not to do it. The military told him not to do it. 69 Fortune 500 companies told him not to do it. Exxon, BP, Chevron, Mobil and ConocoPhillips told him not to do it. Their Allies in the European Union told him not to do it. The majority of the citizens of the United States told him not to do it. He did it anyways.

Ok has anyone done the science on the difference between America sticking to the agreement vs America not sticking to the agreement?

I'd love to see some facts because the reaction has been along the lines of the world being doomed based on that decision.

I'd like to see the 'real' impact.

Also, if you listened to his whole speech he actually is in favour of making the world a better place he just believes America is unfairly disadvantaged. Because it isn't one rule for all, and he believes America can get a better deal.

He campaigned on it, he believes in it.

[plague]

The majority of the citizens of the United States told him not to do it.

You sure about that?

[steve136]

You sure about that?

Yes. Approximately 69 per cent of voters.

86% of democrats supported it and 51% of republicans according to a Yale poll recently.

[steve136]

Ok has anyone done the science on the difference between America sticking to the agreement vs America not sticking to the agreement?

I'd love to see some facts because the reaction has been along the lines of the world being doomed based on that decision.

I'd like to see the 'real' impact.

Also, if you listened to his whole speech he actually is in favour of making the world a better place he just believes America is unfairly disadvantaged. Because it isn't one rule for all, and he believes America can get a better deal.

He campaigned on it, he believes in it.

Pretty naive of him to think he could get a "deal" on a multilateral agreement involving 195 countries. I don't care what he believes - isn't it amazing the extremist right manages to turn the 1-2% uncertainty about the data concerning climate change and argue like that uncertainty is 100%?

[q-money]

how it eventually impacts on trump's tech-bro libertarian mates (i.e. thiel, musk etc who have already walked) will be interesting. energy security has always been a huge bugbear for the US, hence trumps genuflection to the saudis again. i'm not all over it but is part of this pullout more investment into local extraction (sand/shale oil, offshore exploration). what happens to the vast sums of venture capital that has been poured into california for alternative energy. does this now get redirected into exploration and extraction in the domestic USA?

[parksey]

"i don't know anything about it but i reckon it could be a good move" - plague on every trump decision.

[steve136]

Imagine the outrage if Merrick said something that Trump believed. Like that we weren't going to do fitness training at all because it would drain the body's "finite" energy resources. He thinks the human body is like a battery which exercise depletes. :rof:

[plague]

"i don't know anything about it but i reckon it could be a good move" - plague on every trump decision.

"I'm the bloke confusing Trumps point on the science vs Trumps point on the Paris agreement" - Parksey.

[plague]

Pretty naive of him to think he could get a "deal" on a multilateral agreement involving 195 countries. I don't care what he believes - isn't it amazing the extremist right manages to turn the 1-2% uncertainty about the data concerning climate change and argue like that uncertainty is 100%?

But it's not the same deal for everyone is it?
That's 'seems' to be Trumps point.

I don't agree with Trumps position on the science.

I have no problem if be believes the agreement disadvantages the people who he's in charge of governing.

Hopefully that makes my point a bit clearer.

cc: Parksey

[The Dunster]

Ok has anyone done the science on the difference between America sticking to the agreement vs America not sticking to the agreement?

I'd love to see some facts because the reaction has been along the lines of the world being doomed based on that decision.

I'd like to see the 'real' impact.

Also, if you listened to his whole speech he actually is in favour of making the world a better place he just believes America is unfairly disadvantaged. Because it isn't one rule for all, and he believes America can get a better deal.

He campaigned on it, he believes in it.

This is an old issue that even Sir William Petty alluded to in the 17th Century [Service / information economies]. Most developed nations have already moved on from their manufacturing / industrial stage of their economic life-cycle - and risen to information / technology / financial services provision instead.
However, the developing nations are still at the industrial / manufacturing stage of their economic life cycle. If their development at this stage is restricted then it will possibly limit how far they can progress as a services / technology / information economy.

Overall, these global warming policies are more about keeping the most powerful nations at the top of the pyramid and not allowing developing nations to rise above them.

In other words, these restrictions do far more economic damage to developing nations than they do to countries like the USA.

With respect to the USA funding everything that's simply the banking sector looking for more free money to line their pockets with.

When the US donates US dollars it props up their own economy because US products and services are denominated in US dollars.

The Marshall Plan was probably the biggest con of the 20th Century where not only did the US look like the saviours of Europe they essentially lined their own pockets without anyone in Europe being the wiser to what was actually happening. They effectively made the US dollar a vehicle currency for the entire planet.

[plague]

I still remember the glory days on the foz of people pining for a President who refused to share a plane with a black woman.

But anyway Trump all bad derp derp derp.

[hawk]

I still remember the glory days on the foz of people pining for a President who refused to share a plane with a black woman.

But anyway Trump all bad derp derp derp.

Yeah and normal changes depending on which social group outrages the loudest.

Save the sharks or starving kids? Sharks win

[plague]

Yeah and normal changes depending on which social group outrages the loudest.

Save the sharks or starving kids? Sharks win

i still think its a heavyweight showdown between 'That Dude Who Plays Captain America' vs 'Actor Who Voiced A Dude On The Simpsons' for worst celebrity outrager.


At this stage its gotta be Cap for his courage at maintaining his $20m per movie fee whilst fully knowing the world is about to end.


"The Struggle'.

[steve136]

I still remember the glory days on the foz of people pining for a President who refused to share a plane with a black woman.

But anyway Trump all bad derp derp derp.

You must be really disappointed in the Dear Leader Plague?

ISIS wasn't eradicated in the first 30 days like he promised. He said it'd be easy.

[plague]

You must be really disappointed in the Dear Leader Plague?

ISIS wasn't eradicated in the first 30 days like he promised. He said it'd be easy.

oh i think "the wall" has been a much more glaring election black hole.

but yeah hes obviously not wanting to wear down the 'life battery' too much by going to hard to early.


now on a serious note, i propose a ban on any of this discussion going into the areas of the terror attacks etc.

because it only ever ends up in one spot. and its a bad spot.

besides, El presidenté is providing us enough fodder to keep this thread entertaining.



now if you'll excuse me im off to a Kathy Griffin fundraiser.

[steve136]

Good call Plague.

Will be really interesting times with Comey potentially testifying and Trump reportedly trying to stop that from happening over the next few weeks.

Always entertainment in the U S and A.

[hawk]

now on a serious note, i propose a ban on any of this discussion going into the areas of the terror attacks etc.

because it only ever ends up in one spot. and its a bad spot.

And there is no solution.

http://www.dws.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/corp-gov.png

here, have a peanut

[plague]

And there is no solution.

http://www.dws.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/corp-gov.png

here, have a peanut


god bless you Hawk.


just remember though, if you say his name 3 times, he turns up and all hell breaks loose.

[Bon]

Not sure where to put this, but I guess it kinda comes down to religion/politics/world events and crisis..

Good to see a Millwall fan getting positive coverage..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-bridge-terror-attack-fk-****-you-im-millwall-hero-roy-larner-football-fan-lion-of-london-a7775246.html

[The Dunster]

People have been programmed to be fearful for so long now their natural instinct to fight back has pretty much been eroded. If those three idiots tried that sort of stunt in the 1940's they would have been killed before the police even arrived.

I hope they decorate the bloke for fighting back - his actions would have saved a lot of people.

[MFKS]

People have been programmed to be fearful for so long now their natural instinct to fight back has pretty much been eroded. If those three idiots tried that sort of stunt in the 1940's they would have been killed before the police even arrived.

I hope they decorate the bloke for fighting back - his actions would have saved a lot of people.

Probably get charged for assault knowing the muppet left wing sympathisers out there

[The Dunster]

Probably get charged for assault knowing the muppet left wing sympathisers out there

There is no left anymore - only far right and extreme right

[hawk]

Leanne Stokan has criticised Woolworths on Facebook for wrapping sweet potatoes in plastic
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4714759/sweet-potato-wrapped-in-plastic-at-woolies-sparks-anger/?time=1496805256769&preview_token=53a9uGFrV1WJD9cEz9r52dRZiuwBLX

Wait wait wait not too fast

[plague]

So Trump won again?

[plague]

So Trump lost huh?

[steve136]

Comey testimony is crazy. So Trump really just is outta his f*cking mind after all huh?

[plague]

Comey testimony is crazy. So Trump really just is outta his f*cking mind after all huh?

yeah look i didnt read one word of the testimony only saw it unfold over twitter and unsurprisingly one side was all like "BHAH TRUMP IS GILLTEE" and the other was "TRUMP WAS RIGHT".

if i can be bothered to take the time ill read up but your larger point still stands. By Washington standards the bloke is batshit crazy, but again, the people voted for someone polar opposite to the sludge that was already there. and they sure as shit got it.

[plague]

how about Teresa May getting voted out because of all that misogyny................oh wait, shes a Tory it doesnt apply.

[steve136]

how about Teresa May getting voted out because of all that misogyny................oh wait, shes a Tory it doesnt apply.

Yeah awfully quiet from the leftists on that one. Shame - I quite liked May as a PM.

[The Dunster]

Yeah awfully quiet from the leftists on that one. Shame - I quite liked May as a PM.

What is it you mean by leftist ? Serious question not a piss take. Because I really don't see any differences in ideology from any of the major parties.

[steve136]

What is it you mean by leftist ? Serious question not a piss take. Because I really don't see any differences in ideology from any of the major parties.

Left wingers who care more about identity politics and policing language than making any meaningful changes in policy (eg hillary supporters)

[parksey]

how about Teresa May getting voted out because of all that misogyny................oh wait, shes a Tory it doesnt apply.

She won?

[plague]

She won?

My apologies. She didn't get voted out.

Isn't it a hung parliament though? Or has someone formed a coalition?

[The Dunster]

Left wingers who care more about identity politics and policing language than making any meaningful changes in policy (eg hillary supporters)

You should probably find another term because Hillary is a right wing conservative as are her supporters.
The left disappeared the day the relations between capital and labour became distorted by the petty shit we see people arguing about on a day to day basis in the media like marriage equality, flexibility... and what ever the latest buzz word of the day is.

[parksey]

You should probably find another term because Hillary is a right wing conservative as are her supporters.
The left disappeared the day the relations between capital and labour became distorted by the petty shit we see people arguing about on a day to day basis in the media like marriage equality, flexibility... and what ever the latest buzz word of the day is.

I think opinions on an issue like marriage equality is a perfect example of the difference between the right and left wing. But I guess people on both sides of the aisle support it.

How would you define them?

[hawk]

Trump is a loose canon with no idea....just like some of the others :shock::shock: Remember Reagan? cnt was an actor who also liked a good gun fight.

May supposedly jumping into bed with the NIrish to form some type of Brexit party

[plague]

I think opinions on an issue like marriage equality is a perfect example of the difference between the right and left wing. But I guess people on both sides of the aisle support it.

How would you define them?

The fact the marriage equality issue gets way more traction than real wage growth means that the 1% is winning.

Anything to keep John Q Public from noticing the gap get bigger between the top and the bottom.

Marriage equality should have never been an issue.

Yet here we all still are.

[The Dunster]

The fact the marriage equality issue gets way more traction than real wage growth means that the 1% is winning.

Anything to keep John Q Public from noticing the gap get bigger between the top and the bottom.

Marriage equality should have never been an issue.

Yet here we all still are.

I'd be broke if we ever meet Plague because I'd buy you beers all day.

[pv4]

The fact the marriage equality issue gets way more traction than real wage growth means that the 1% is winning.

Anything to keep John Q Public from noticing the gap get bigger between the top and the bottom.

Marriage equality should have never been an issue.

Yet here we all still are.

100%

They should have added a tickbox to our online census and have held the vote that way, and sorted it instantly.

Instead, we're all seemingly happy to drag it out to death

[The Dunster]

100%

They should have added a tickbox to our online census and have held the vote that way, and sorted it instantly.

Instead, we're all seemingly happy to drag it out to death

A persons sexuality should always be secondary to their citizenship.
Therefore, if you are a citizen of legal age you should be allowed to get married.

It does not require a referendum.

[plague]

I'm genuinely fascinated in the blame game that goes on with these shootings in America.

It's almost as if people can't comprehend that it can happen on 'all' sides.

Lucky the Yanks aren't as accurate with their rifles as they are with their finger pointing or else there'd be some real decent body counts.

[The Dunster]

I'm genuinely fascinated in the blame game that goes on with these shootings in America.

It's almost as if people can't comprehend that it can happen on 'all' sides.

Lucky the Yanks aren't as accurate with their rifles as they are with their finger pointing or else there'd be some real decent body counts.

I think you will like this Plague.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MGYoCNU5es

[hawk]

100%

They should have added a tickbox to our online census and have held the vote that way, and sorted it instantly.

Instead, we're all seemingly happy to drag it out to death

What would happen if it got voted down?

[hawk]

I'm genuinely fascinated in the blame game that goes on with these shootings in America.

It's almost as if people can't comprehend that it can happen on 'all' sides.

Lucky the Yanks aren't as accurate with their rifles as they are with their finger pointing or else there'd be some real decent body counts.

Killing in the name of allah and in anger is there a difference? It depends.

[plague]

Killing in the name of allah and in anger is there a difference? It depends.

oh look man most of your random USA terrorists like the one yesterday have a pretty cosy relationship with one of the major deities.

Its just that firing bullets yelling in English doesnt scare the public quite as much.

[plague]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGwY_QmTOHU

[hawk]

oh look man most of your random USA terrorists like the one yesterday have a pretty cosy relationship with one of the major deities.

Its just that firing bullets yelling in English doesnt scare the public quite as much.

Sounds like you support isis. expect a knock

[plague]

Sounds like you support isis. expect a knock

"Allah Ali Baba kebabs" or something.

[Bon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGwY_QmTOHU

Holy shit.. hahahahaha
Amazing..
:lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle:

[plague]

This stuff that Amazon is doing is pretty interesting.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/06/just-in-time-amazon-patents-method-to-prevent-comparison-shopping/

It certainly gives you an insight as to 'why' competition laws (done correctly) are important.
It also gives a good insight on the comparison from when you are the little fish looking for market share to being a big fish trying to protect that very slice of the pie (let alone be under pressure to 'increase' it).

Its funny that these are the 'corporations' that the hippies all warned you about and yet those same hippies are the ones that enabled them the most.

[pv4]

Its funny that these are the 'corporations' that the hippies all warned you about and yet those same hippies are the ones that enabled them the most.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Barack_Obama_Mic_Drop_2016.jpg/1200px-Barack_Obama_Mic_Drop_2016.jpg

[plague]

It actually wasn't a dig at the hippies (well maybe just a little dig) but seeing people fight against GST on internet sales, and seeing people embrace Uber was interesting.

Because now that Amazon is owning media companies (uh oh controlling the message) and Uber has ratcheted up their pricing as well as a few drivers getting a bit 'gun massacrey' and 'rapey', people are like "whoa, utopia don't look so kewl anymore".

I mean Zuckerberg is gonna get hoisted up as President in a few short years and he's gonna then turn around and murder anyone who didn't vote for him (because he'll know) and people will be like "well that's not how I thought this go down".

These 'little' startups are just 'big' corporations waiting to happen, and dictators gonna dictate.

Choose your poison wisely.

[Macca]

http://neweconomics.net.nz/index.php/2016/02/how-land-barons-industrialists-and-bankers-corrupted-economics/

Interesting read.

[The Dunster]

http://neweconomics.net.nz/index.php/2016/02/how-land-barons-industrialists-and-bankers-corrupted-economics/

Interesting read.

The Greg Mankiw text being a pile of shit is well known - much like his mate Fred Mishkin's text on Finance and Banking being more akin to Alice in Wonderland than anything resembling the monetary financial sector.
The reason why they continue to flog the loan-able funds model is that it traps governments into adopting fiscal and monetary policies that favour the leisure classes [Billionaires] - i.e mass unemployment, low wages, rising profit share of income.
Unfortunately, most of those mentioned in the article supposedly against the orthodoxy spend just as much time fighting each other.

As for Henry George the orthodox economists could not thank him enough because his shit book directed people away from Marx's Capital Vol. 1.

[plague]

anyone else notice CNN sacking journos for faking Trump news?
but everyone kept telling me Fox News were the sensationalists*.


anyway, at least some people are staying woke.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBaX4BtUAAE4nd6.jpg

*of course they are too.

[pv4]

The most confusing thing for me still is when it went from people wearing those Make America Great Again hats as a pisstake to people wearing them legit. Or is it still for the pisstake that has been taken this far. I just can't work it out :rof:

[plague]

The most confusing thing for me still is when it went from people wearing those Make America Great Again hats as a pisstake to people wearing them legit. Or is it still for the pisstake that has been taken this far. I just can't work it out :rof:

Oh it's gone to whole 'nuther level.

Remember the recent video of the old dude crossing the road yelling at the car then he runs into the pole?

Anyway it first came to my attention because it was posted from some anti-Trumpers on Twitter all like "duhhh look at this stupid Trump supporter" except it was just a dude in a red hat. People didn't even take the time to check that
a) it was just a red hat.
b) it was shot in Adelaide.

When it was pointed out to them they went straight back to "yeah well bhuuhhh RUSSIA".

That red hat has to be one of the greatest marketing tools in the history of politics. It's got everyone shook.

Genius.

[The Dunster]

https://media.giphy.com/media/UF9WF9VJe5Vu/source.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/J8etPxUlne58s/source.gif

[Bon]

This shirt seems pretty relevant right about now..

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0773/0721/products/PellAwaits_0a8c24a6-f568-434f-98b7-692401813993_grande.jpg?v=1460615871

[hawk]

Who was that other terribly arty aussie thesbian that sang the song

[plague]

Anyone who didn't enjoy the Trump twitter-fest over the weekend is a sad individual who I don't think I can ever be friends with.


Just amazing.
More please Mr President.

[Macca]

I am not a Trump fan by any stretch.

But even I had to laugh turning on news breakfast this morning and seeing that he'd tweeted essentially a meme gif (which I found mildly amusing), and is now being accused of inciting violence against journalists. Give me a break.

[plague]

I am not a Trump fan by any stretch.

But even I had to laugh turning on news breakfast this morning and seeing that he'd tweeted essentially a meme gif (which I found mildly amusing), and is now being accused of inciting violence against journalists. Give me a break.

This post is exactly why Trump won.

He's a buffoon, but the overreaction is actually gaining him sympathy.

It's a brilliant strategy.

[steve136]

This post is exactly why Trump won.

He's a buffoon, but the overreaction is actually gaining him sympathy.

It's a brilliant strategy.

Exactly people need to pick their battles, who cares what the Dear Leader tweets?

[Macca]

Attn Dunster

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2017/04/15/making-the-reserve-bank-peoples-bank/14921784004504

[The Dunster]

Attn Dunster

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2017/04/15/making-the-reserve-bank-peoples-bank/14921784004504

Holy crap I'll overload on this. Brilliant. Good to see people actually having a think about what they write rather than being sheep like most journos.

A few problems with the article though is that it sort of still refers to the loanable funds myth of how banks operate.

The truth is that loans create deposits. Deposits do not create loans.

The majority of bank lending is through securitisation. Banks simply look for credit worthy borrowers first - then they buy the reserves. Holding excess balances in their exchange settlement accounts is simply not done because the RBA will remove them to maintain the target cash rate they set at their previous meeting - and banks certainly won't hold idle balances either as they earn no interest for them.

Another problem is that the article implies a link between printing money and the government / RBA spending. This is not really the case. The majority of transaction are simply electronic whereby one account is debited and another is credited.

Finally, the assumption that governments / RBA need to fund their spending or require a source of revenue is misguided as well. The only economic constraints governments like ours face are concerned with productive capacity and the natural environments ability to sustain the forms of production we choose.

[Macca]

Another problem is that the article implies a link between printing money and the government / RBA spending. This is not really the case. The majority of transaction are simply electronic whereby one account is debited and another is credited.

I thought it addressed this when it said only 3% of money came from printed money. The rest was created by banks providing loans.



Finally, the assumption that governments / RBA need to fund their spending or require a source of revenue is misguided as well.

I assumed it was just referring to this paradigm for ease of understanding. While they may not technically need to collect money to spend it, in a sense their need to collect money is real is it not? To control inflation or whatever the technically correct reason is. Whether they brand it as "revenue" or whichever term is more accurate, the collection of money is still necessary if my (limited) understanding is correct.

Thoughts on the principle of the article - providing a wholesale / no-frills bank to the public?

[The Dunster]

I thought it addressed this when it said only 3% of money came from printed money. The rest was created by banks providing loans.



I assumed it was just referring to this paradigm for ease of understanding. While they may not technically need to collect money to spend it, in a sense their need to collect money is real is it not? To control inflation or whatever the technically correct reason is. Whether they brand it as "revenue" or whichever term is more accurate, the collection of money is still necessary if my (limited) understanding is correct.

Thoughts on the principle of the article - providing a wholesale / no-frills bank to the public?

Don't get me wrong - I liked the article because it showed someone actually having a go rather than regurgitating textbook myths.

The first point only implies a very weak link to securitisation - however, a lot of people would probably think of it as a money multipier process [which is definitely not the case].

The second point you are correct on - the government collects money to destroy it so that they can control inflation. They also collect it as a means to create demand for the money they issue - in that everyone is forced to pay taxes using the money the government issues.

Your understanding is very good you should probably have a look at some of the papers from the two below.

Warren Mosler a former Hedge Fund operator [a big one as well] has some good stuff to read on his website: http://moslereconomics.com/
Randy Wray as well is an expert on this stuff and was a former student of Hyman Minsky - http://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/l-randall-wray

[Macca]

Don't get me wrong - I liked the article because it showed someone actually having a go rather than regurgitating textbook myths.

The first point only implies a very weak link to securitisation - however, a lot of people would probably think of it as a money multipier process [which is definitely not the case].


I don't fully grasp the first part - you're correcting me by mentioning securitisation as the mechanism by which the banks issuing loans creates money? (my paraphrasing after googling securitisation :P) And then saying that securitisation is incorrectly thought of as a money multiplier?

I had a look at a couple of things on the Mosler site - I can see a lot of concepts and phrases that you have brought up before in there, such as Govt deficit = private surplus. Was interesting seeing the relationships he outlined between US Govt deficit, oil prices, US exports, private debt combining for the GFC. Could you give me a brief run down on terms of trade? My search gave me that its a ratio of exports:imports. Its factors are ? currency exchange rates, labour costs, various govt policies (tariff/subsidy) ?
Its significance in the larger scheme of things? ie. Why having low TOT is bad


On another unrelated note, you mentioning the hedge fund manager reminded me. I've been watching some youtube shit and doing some reading the last few days on investing / trading / hedge funds etc and am interested to know more, both from curiosity and possible application. I have some small investments in blue chip stocks which I have paid no attention to for a few years but am considering becoming more actively involved in some investments or trading. Do you have any resources you would recommend to increase my understanding in these areas? I was looking last night for a demo trading platform for instance, which I had assumed there would be shitloads of but I couldn't really find any free ones.

[The Dunster]

I only have undergraduate textbook knowledge on International Trade Theory so don't take anything I say as being how things actually work in the real world. I've tutored in the subject but never lectured or written a peer reviewed paper on the subject.

ToT is the international exchange ratio - it tells us how many of one good will exchange for another good in the world economy.
The price of exports divided by the price of imports is called the "commodity terms of trade".
IF you multiply the commodity terms of trade by the quantity of exports you get the "income terms of trade"
The domestic exchange ratio tells us how many of one good will exchange for another good in a different country.

Having a poor terms of trade is bad because it means you are at a relative disadvantage to other nations when it comes to producing goods.

If you read up on absolute and comparative advantage it might make more sense to you. Briefly,

Comparative advantage measures what a country can do best relative to another country or relative to the rest of the world. So assume Australia needs 5 inputs to produce wheat and ten inputs to produce textiles. Assume NZ requires 10 and 30 inputs respectively to make wheat and textiles - We then would say that Australia has a comparative advantage in producing textiles because Australia finds it twice as hard to produce textiles and NZ finds it 3 times as hard [Domestic exchange ratio].

With respect to Absolute Advantage -the example above tells us that Australia has an absolute advantage in both commodities because it can produce either commodity with fewer inputs than NZ.

This is very simple though and their is a mass of research and evidence showing that it's nowhere near as simple for reasons that are beyond my comprehension to do with how peoples decisions are rarely rational and how tastes and preferences are not universal

I don't know anything about trading or hedge funds - Mike Norman is a successful trader in NY and a good guy with a website you could check out.

https://www.pitbulleconomics.com/videos/

[online]

I'm not a city person so the further away from civilisation I can get the better. My next house will probably be Paterson or East Gresford with some river frontage - Just need to come out of retirement for a year or two down the track and load up the coffers a little.

[The Dunster]

I'm not a city person so the further away from civilisation I can get the better. My next house will probably be Paterson or East Gresford with some river frontage - Just need to come out of retirement for a year or two down the track and load up the coffers a little.

Agreed. A lot of people think the same way and it's getting a little pricey now.

[Jetmaster]

I'm not a city person so the further away from civilisation I can get the better. My next house will probably be Paterson or East Gresford with some river frontage - Just need to come out of retirement for a year or two down the track and load up the coffers a little.

Did that years ago but it seems that even what was a quiet, rural place like Maitland is just full on development and road works. Not long ago I could wake up to the sound of cows and horses. Now its trucks, cranes, diggers, drills etc.

Where to next?

[plague]

Did that years ago but it seems that even what was a quiet, rural place like Maitland is just full on development and road works. Not long ago I could wake up to the sound of cows and horses. Now its trucks, cranes, diggers, drills etc.

Where to next?

You realise that they probably used cranes diggers and drills to build your house too yeah?

[hawk]

Did that years ago but it seems that even what was a quiet, rural place like Maitland is just full on development and road works. Not long ago I could wake up to the sound of cows and horses. Now its trucks, cranes, diggers, drills etc.

Where to next?

Hunter valley is a industrial machine attempted to be disguised by thin gum saplings. Quiter places with small acreages in Newy.

Try Medowie, great purchase value atm. Sell to China for big profits

[pv4]

You realise that they probably used cranes diggers and drills to build your house too yeah?

http://i66.tinypic.com/ao982f.png

[plague]

Hunter valley is a industrial machine attempted to be disguised by thin gum saplings. Quiter places with small acreages in Newy.

Try Medowie, great purchase value atm. Sell to China for big profits

Anyone wanting to know the future market value of their house and land package up in those valley satellite suburbs just take a day drive to the west of Sydney oh and keep your doors locked.

Give it 20 years and the Western Newy Wanderers will reinvent football.

[The Dunster]

shitholes like kings langley meet that criteria and you pay over a million for a 3 bedroom shack there now.

The difference in newy/maitland is that there is still a lot of options that are relatively affordable - closer to town.

Places like Aberglasslyn, Gilleston Heights, and so on to me lose out. Because they have lost their original charm and become much like the cookie cutter suburbs you find everywhere else - only they are more remote.

You live where you can afford though - and if you are lucky you can afford to live where you want.

I was in Sydney yesterday and no amount of money could lure me back. The place is a mess

[Wilso8948]

Never understood the appeal of new estates when you get into the detail. See people forking out $250k/300k plus on 500m2 land alone in places such as Gilleston Heights and Cameron Park when you could head down the road 5 mins to Kurri or West Wallsend and purchase a 1000m2 block with a house for $350k.

[WolfMan]

I was in Sydney yesterday and no amount of money could lure me back. The place is a mess

http://robertkaplinsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/drevil_cover.jpg

[plague]

Oh, so nowwwwwwwww we care about emails.

Gotcha.

[The Dunster]

Oh, so nowwwwwwwww we care about emails.

Gotcha.

Compared to Nixon signing up Henry Kissinger as National Security Advisor this shit's not even a blip on the political radar.
The media need to leave this shit alone and start working on getting page three girl pics up and running again on every newspaper that's still in circulation.

[steve136]

Oh, so nowwwwwwwww we care about emails.

Gotcha.

Trump supporters 3 months ago: "His campaign had nothing to do with Russia. He never met them. He never talked to them."

Trump supporters now: "So what they worked with Russia? So what they met them? So what they talked to them?"

[plague]

Trump supporters 3 months ago: "His campaign had nothing to do with Russia. He never met them. He never talked to them."

Trump supporters now: "So what they worked with Russia? So what they met them? So what they talked to them?"

Yeah look I haven't read into any detail yet but what I did find interesting was the immediate release of the email chain from Trump Jnr.

It's like when the "grab her by the pussy" tape came out. Trump Snr pretty much immediately said 'yep, that's me, sorry' and it kind of went away.

Through the whole campaign Hillary kept deflecting everything, crying misogyny and blaming everyone but herself for anything that went wrong.

I'm convinced if she just stood up and said 'yep that was me, sorry' she'd be President. I think so many people dropped off her because they thought she was 'dishonest'.

They voted Trump because even though he was a shitbag he at least acknowledged it.

Also, Trumps 2 adult sons are ****s of the highest order merely for the fact that they hunt animals. **** those 2.
But again, America seems ok with them killing an elephant what's a meeting gonna matter?

[plague]

sorry something just came across twitter was it a fake Russian set up by a reporter? Or have I read that wrong?

[The Dunster]

Yeah look I haven't read into any detail yet but what I did find interesting was the immediate release of the email chain from Trump Jnr.

It's like when the "grab her by the pussy" tape came out. Trump Snr pretty much immediately said 'yep, that's me, sorry' and it kind of went away.

Through the whole campaign Hillary kept deflecting everything, crying misogyny and blaming everyone but herself for anything that went wrong.

I'm convinced if she just stood up and said 'yep that was me, sorry' she'd be President. I think so many people dropped off her because they thought she was 'dishonest'.

They voted Trump because even though he was a shitbag he at least acknowledged it.

Also, Trumps 2 adult sons are ****s of the highest order merely for the fact that they hunt animals. **** those 2.
But again, America seems ok with them killing an elephant what's a meeting gonna matter?

Primary's are not what cost Hillary the election - it was the electoral colleges. As far as the primary vote goes Hillary beat Trump by over 2.5 million votes - and she amassed a lead in primary votes over Trump greater than any of the last ten US presidents did. over their opponents.

Hence, it would not have made much of a difference at all what she said. The powers that be wanted Trump in the White House and they put him there.

[plague]

Yeah but Trump won states back off Obama that Hillary didn't put any time and resources into (granted they were traditional Red states lol how bad may have Romney been).

It's like the Pac-man/Horn fight. Pac landed twice as many punches, 2 diff judging panels gave Horn the fight.

Hillary lost that election. Her inability to own up to knifing Sanders, or the Podesta emails, or the 'secret server' were on her and her team.

Man she was at $1.15 the week of the election, do you know how difficult it is to have even Vegas 'that' fooled.

Still shaking my head over that one.

Now Dunster please stop all this misogyny, we'll get a terse letter from Julia Gillard if we keep it up.

[plague]

Besides who cares The Rock gonna win in 2020 so we good.

[The Dunster]

The scary thing about the Electoral College system in the US is that you can become president by winning 270 college votes and theoretically that can be done with only 22% of the primary vote. So much for democracy.

[plague]

How the hell is anyone not enjoying this?

Hillary would have been so lame and boring.

[The Dunster]

How the hell is anyone not enjoying this?

Hillary would have been so lame and boring.

Looking at the numbers and Donny T actually has all three major investment / Share indexes up by 20% since he took office.

Might be a coincidence but if I was investing in US stocks I'd be very happy with him so far.

Hard to imagine anything positive coming about if Vinegar Tits Hillary was in office.

[plague]

Oh these past few days have been so batshit Trump can't even get on the front page.

Press secretary going bananas in the New Yorker.
McCain pulling a heel turn straight from WWE.

Trumps over there offending the Trans folk and we're all "shush it Donnie we busy"

So much fun.

[boz-monaut]

imagine the riots in the streets if any nation in the developed world tried to get rid of their universal health care?

where's the protests and burning shit to the ground in the US?

why are we hearing more about Republicans opposing this than Democrats?

why are the Democrats such an ineffective opposition?

is it just because how do you oppose such batshit crazyness?

[hawk]

It's like the Pac-man/Horn fight. Pac landed twice as many punches, 2 diff judging panels gave Horn the fight.

.

Dont be that guy.

Horn had him on pts even by the rejudge.

[hawk]

Oh these past few days have been so batshit Trump can't even get on the front page.

Press secretary going bananas in the New Yorker.
McCain pulling a heel turn straight from WWE.

Trumps over there offending the Trans folk and we're all "shush it Donnie we busy"

So much fun.

How is it bad outrager? Get with the prog. Trans dont have to go to war. Party up for them they live a long life.

Hope Aus govt bans white males from war. oh wait you guys will sog saos over that id bet

[plague]

Dont be that guy.

Horn had him on pts even by the rejudge.

nah thats my point.

Horn was the electoral college, Pacman was the popular vote.

[plague]

Hope Aus govt bans white males from war.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kGkBt4nz27U/hqdefault.jpg

[plague]

imagine the riots in the streets if any nation in the developed world tried to get rid of their universal health care?

where's the protests and burning shit to the ground in the US?

why are we hearing more about Republicans opposing this than Democrats?

why are the Democrats such an ineffective opposition?

is it just because how do you oppose such batshit crazyness?

i aint for one second going to begin to understand the absolute detail of this health care debate.

but it sure as shit sounds like neither side has a good plan, but they think the other guys plan is worserer.

again, I'm cheering for chaos, therefore I'm in heaven.

[plague]

No one is denying how poor the optics are on this administration at the moment, but it has brought up a pretty interesting situation.

As Dunster has alluded to, the US economy is showing signs of 'improvement'. And yes that's not 'everything' nor is it all Trumps doing.

But.

Would the American people vote the bloke back in if indeed they became a more prosperous country?
Would getting better trade deals, fixing the energy supply and lifting real wages be more important than how many communications directors he goes through?


I know which things I'd care about more, but man if he actually 'makes America great again' how the hell do you combat that in 2020?

[The Dunster]

You will never fix Healthcare in the USA because it will be an inconvenience to Pharmaceutical Companies, Corporate Finance / Banking Sector, Insurance companies, and a whole host of other large and powerful organisations.
Then you have the educational institutions running a monopoly and restricting the production of medical practitioners and staff to keep their prices high......


I mean .. where would you even start to attempt to fix the situation in the USA ?

The solution is more doctors and nurses and less investment into drugs which essentially do nothing other than line the pockets of the rich.

[plague]

You will never fix Healthcare in the USA because it will be an inconvenience to Pharmaceutical Companies, Corporate Finance / Banking Sector, Insurance companies, and a whole host of other large and powerful organisations.
Then you have the educational institutions running a monopoly and restricting the production of medical practitioners and staff to keep their prices high......


I mean .. where would you even start to attempt to fix the situation in the USA ?

The solution is more doctors and nurses and less investment into drugs which essentially do nothing other than line the pockets of the rich.

i mean its like the guns issue huh.
the 'problem' is so beyond where any other developed country is so where the hell do they even look to for help?

[The Dunster]

So how do people feel about the Prime Minister donating $30m of tax payers money to Foxtel ?

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/blunt-instrument/pay-tv-were-all-paying-for-foxtel-to-the-tune-of-30-million-20170801-gxmyq3.html

It's supposedly for Foxtel to broadcast 2nd tier sports in Australia. But the reality is it's a way for them to exercise their market power so as to restrict the growth of smaller players like BarTV and so on in the market.

Like all Liberal Members in Australia Malcolm Turnbull hates competition and free markets.

[MFKS]

So how do people feel about the Prime Minister donating $30m of tax payers money to Foxtel ?

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/blunt-instrument/pay-tv-were-all-paying-for-foxtel-to-the-tune-of-30-million-20170801-gxmyq3.html

It's supposedly for Foxtel to broadcast 2nd tier sports in Australia. But the reality is it's a way for them to exercise their market power so as to restrict the growth of smaller players like BarTV and so on in the market.

Like all Liberal Members in Australia Malcolm Turnbull hates competition and free markets.

Umm how about they actually remove the anti siphoning list

It actually means that FTA TV get first dibs at it

But it also protects the sports on it by creating a bidding frenzy

As a result after NRL AFL Cricket V8s etc have got the 7-9-10 channels cash

There isn't a hell of a lot left over for the sports not on it

As a result Foxtel can pay **** all for their content as they are competing against not much for rights to the HAL NBL Super Rugby etc

Let them compete on everything

See what happens

It would shake things up if 7-9-10 had to embrace Basketball Soccer Union or something else as they had no sporting content

[plague]

While ever the govt funds it's own media entity I've got no problem if they subsidise others.

[plague]

After what happened with the EPL and Optus there isn't a politician in sight willing to do anything about the anti-siphoning list.

[MFKS]

After what happened with the EPL and Optus there isn't a politician in sight willing to do anything about the anti-siphoning list.

But what did Optus do wrong really??

They came in and purchased the rights

The bitching coming from those who blowing up as they don't have Optus or are too tight to pay for it

Reality is there is **** all wrong with Optus coverage of the EPL and it compares more favourably than Foxtel use to do back in the day

[StannyCFCJET]

But what did Optus do wrong really??

They came in and purchased the rights

The bitching coming from those who blowing up as they don't have Optus or are too tight to pay for it

Reality is there is **** all wrong with Optus coverage of the EPL and it compares more favourably than Foxtel use to do back in the day

Agree Optus is miles better then Foxsports with the EPL

[plague]

But what did Optus do wrong really??

They came in and purchased the rights

The bitching coming from those who blowing up as they don't have Optus or are too tight to pay for it

Reality is there is **** all wrong with Optus coverage of the EPL and it compares more favourably than Foxtel use to do back in the day

Good job by you not understanding the post.

Optus did nothing wrong.

But at the moment fans bitching about it are bitching at Optus.

You think the next time it happens some politician gonna stand in the line of fire and go "yo it's cool that's on me".

Good luck.

[MFKS]

Good job by you not understanding the post.

Optus did nothing wrong.

But at the moment fans bitching about it are bitching at Optus.

You think the next time it happens some politician gonna stand in the line of fire and go "yo it's cool that's on me".

Good luck.

****s yelling about what??

Seelriously they haven't been deprived of the opportunity to watch it

They just have to go about it a different way

How they been disadvantaged here??

They just yelling at the sky here


About as useful as us asking Gypo CEO for refunds based on the Jets not winning games

[The Dunster]

While ever the govt funds it's own media entity I've got no problem if they subsidise others.

But it's not the governments media entitity - it belongs to the people. The governments only role should be to provide adequate funding so programs can be broadcast equitably to anyone that wants to watch them.
The government could have provided the cash injection to BarTV or a TAFE or a University to broadcast these sports. That would have been more equitable and it would also have been of benefit to students or even the unemployed.

The problem with the public broadcasters now - is that they are effectively run by the same neo-liberal scum running the private sector organisations.

When ever I hear people calling the ABC or SBS left wing I can't stop laughing - it's not even close to being left wing in any sense of the term.

[plague]

****s yelling about what??

Seelriously they haven't been deprived of the opportunity to watch it

They just have to go about it a different way

How they been disadvantaged here??

They just yelling at the sky here


Yeah true, I don't know anyone that constantly whinges about stuff that has nothing to do with them and has the ability to remove the source of anger from their life but chooses not to.

Nope, can't think of a single person.

[plague]

Yeah but in this day and age governments should either be funding everyone or funding no one.

If the US election taught us anything it's that the publics 'trust' of the media is at an all time low.

Nowadays every interaction between pollies and media is viewed with some skepticism.

Now you've got an individual dangling a billion dollar carrot over them and expect fairness?

Burn it all down.
Trust no one.
Stay woke

[plague]

Interesting developments coming out of the Donald Trump outrage mini series episode #354.

Now that the call is out there to tear down these old confederate statues and monuments, is it actually a good thing?

And where do we draw the line on who we 'honour'?

Because all those old school mofos have skeletons in their closets and as much as I'd like to live in a world where only Griff statues exist, I'm not sure ripping down the ones you don't like solves more problems than it creates.

Which I guess then flows into the Australia Day debate.

[The Dunster]

Interesting developments coming out of the Donald Trump outrage mini series episode #354.

Now that the call is out there to tear down these old confederate statues and monuments, is it actually a good thing?

And where do we draw the line on who we 'honour'?

Because all those old school mofos have skeletons in their closets and as much as I'd like to live in a world where only Griff statues exist, I'm not sure ripping down the ones you don't like solves more problems than it creates.

Which I guess then flows into the Australia Day debate.

I found it interesting that in a God fearing state such as the USA they would have any idols at all. A quick read of Exodus and Corinthians will more or less settle any doubts.


Exodus 20:2-6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.


Corinthians 10:14 Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.


Going over old ground here but Australian Day was never regularly celebrated until Howard decided to make it popular. Before that you have the bicentenary, the centenary and the odd stab here and there of Australia day having any meaning - but overall nobody gave a **** about it.

I have never celebrated Australia Day and never will. If others want to celebrate the day they can, but I just don't want to be a part of it.

Turnbull going off his nut at Yarra council for no longer backing Australia Day is more about creating division than it is about Turnbull being genuinely concerned with peoples rights to celebrate.

As long as people are fighting each other they are not fighting government and the elites that control them.

It's good old fashioned Sun Tzu, divide and conquer type shit on a global scale.

[plague]

Turnbull going off his nut at Yarra council for no longer backing Australia Day is more about creating division than it is about Turnbull being genuinely concerned with peoples rights to celebrate.



yeah the thing i find most interesting is the amount of councils who have no concept what their actual charter is.

Councils are there pretty much for roads rates and rubbish.

yet here we are sticking our noses in on Australia day and (memory escapes me on which council it was) banning tim tams from the council kitchen because of some apparent link to Israel.

Local councils are now only breeding grounds for the next generation of entitled swine to get their chops in largesse and misappropriation on their way up the state and federal party ladder.

no better example than NCC on that one.

a pox on all their houses.

[plague]

back on the statues though. the interesting one i thought that was worth mentioning are the Nazi concentration camps. im sure a lot on here (like myself) went on the backpacker pilgrimage through europe and found themselves in one of these hellholes. personally it was a pretty brutal reminder of history that had i thought i already knew, but do these camps help or hinder the victims of it all?

if they want General Lee (no not the car Hawk) gone then if they levelled Auschwitz tomorrow id be fine with it, but id also be fine having it sitting there as a reminder of how ****ing evil some people truly are.

[belchardo]

back on the statues though. the interesting one i thought that was worth mentioning are the Nazi concentration camps. im sure a lot on here (like myself) went on the backpacker pilgrimage through europe and found themselves in one of these hellholes. personally it was a pretty brutal reminder of history that had i thought i already knew, but do these camps help or hinder the victims of it all?

if they want General Lee (no not the car Hawk) gone then if they levelled Auschwitz tomorrow id be fine with it, but id also be fine having it sitting there as a reminder of how ****ing evil some people truly are.

wouldn't a more appropriate comparison in your example be auschwitz to say a slave ship? i've never been to Germany, but i'm assuming their aren't many statues of nazi's around anymore.

also, weren't most of these statues put up in the late 1800's and early 1900's? generally by resurgent white nationalists romanticising the past?

sorry plague, i don't think your comparison is valid.

[plague]

actually on reflection maybe a plantation would be a better comparison.
they are all just buildings but while ever they are standing they symbolise what went on inside them.
i just find statues interesting when everything is there in print and on celluloid anyway. then add in school halls, roads etc and it becomes a slippery slope of how we should honour and remember people.

because here is where America is right now:

"MLK was against gay marriage"
"George Washington owned slaves"
They get a pass because the good outweighed the bad.

"Joe Paterno* may or may not have known about a former employees paedophilia"
Remove all statues/dishonour his legacy.

its all a bit confusing to me.


*you'll have to go look that dude up to see what he was originally honoured for.

[pv4]

Attenzione: money people

Until now I've largely been able to ignore this entire bitcoin thing. But does anyone know the story of it? Check out:

https://www.coindesk.com/price/

Since March this year it's gone on this fxxx off massive spike. Why? What even is it? Why have we suddenly seen value in it?

Apparently banks are going to use it?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-28/rise-of-digital-coins-has-central-banks-considering-e-versions

Does this all tie in with Macca's (page before) thing about the reserve bank etc?

What IS all this madness? Is my paypal going to be replaced by bitcoin in the coming days/months/years?

Am I missing this escalating opportunity to cash in on virtual dime bags by investing?

Someone do explain. I can't even fathom it all currently.

[Macca]

Its an interesting concept. I know a little bit about it. For the details on how it actually functions, look up block chains and cryptocurrency. Fairly cool system.

As for the price of it. Others may know more but to me it just seems like a market value thing, no different to why Tesla or Google shares have gone up massively in recent years. People like what they see, or people think other people like what they see.. for whatever reason, its in demand so the price goes up. Personally I'm too scared to jump on the bandwagon now when its so high but it most likely will continue to go up, especially as its becoming more and more mainstream. The idea being universal currency with no transaction or conversion fees. Market efficiency at work. Dunster would love it.

Some people have made a LOT of money off it though. Back in the early days you could "mine" bitcoins I believe. Basically the way the currency is kept secure is with keys to certain algorithms that are difficult to compute. I think at the start there were plenty of somewhat simple solutions so anyone interested could set their CPU to work and find some solutions, and be rewarded with bitcoins. At the time these were worth cents. People could get hundreds or thousands of these things. That are now of course worth thousands each.

Now, all the easy solutions are gone so the CPU time required to find solutions is impractical - probably in the realm of supercomputers etc.

There's also stories of people having mined hundreds of these things, and having the details to them on a computer that has since gone into disrepair. They find out years later the things are worth big bux and are fuming that they can't access their money.

[The Dunster]

The problem with bitcoin is that it is not a form of tax driven money. Like Macca said it's really just another type of stock / share / derivative
Money on the other hand has value because we require it to meet our tax obligations to government. Because they issue the money, they also put it in law that their own money is the only one they will accept as payment to extinguish tax obligations.

Bitcoin cannot pay your taxes and as such it might as well be a hoola hoop because when the fads over it's absolutely worthless.

[Macca]

I guess the danger is similar to commodities, where the value may start to be driven by people just trading it with no interest in using it, rather than intrinsically.

My memory is getting tested here but I think the other reason its gone up so much is that the supply is limited by how many keys people can create, which as I said is getting more and more difficult each time. So while technically the supply is infinite, I guess it follows a log sort of curve.

There is no requirement for the currency to exist, as Dunster said. And yet it is growing in popularity and if it continues to have advantages over traditional currencies, I see no reason why the demand for it would vanish.

[plague]

Similar but completely different:
Remember derivatives during the GFC?
They were a thing that got passed along the investment chain until the the music stopped and the poor suckers at the end were left holding a stinking hot worthless turd (inc a LOT of local govts).

Not saying crypto is the same thing, but if you don't understand it,and as Dunster said it isn't a 'real' thing (yet) then why the heck would you invest your money into it?

There's a lot of people making money off it ATM but they only do when they find someone willing to be the next link in the chain.

[The Dunster]

Gold will always have value because aside from transactions, unit of account, and store of wealth value, it's reflective properties as an insulator provide massive appeal in electronic / engineering applications.

You really can't do jack shit with a bitcoin other than trade it with other star wars action figure collectors.

[pv4]

So all this time I have been of the similar belief like we are saying that this cryptocurrency etc is a stock/share/commodity/etc like you are saying.

But the question is if/when it gets used as an actual currency, banks use it, etc etc, right? What if/when it becomes "real", and doesn't fizzle out? With the aim of being reserve bank-less, like Macca's article from a few weeks ago in here.

And I guess what I'm asking is what Macca has touched on - what if people start using it intrinsically, and how do we treat it like a share until that happens, yet help it happen.

I did read one thing which I just can't get my head around at all that there are "only" 21million bit coins (note: that figure may be wrong. but there was a number stated). and so the value went up/down BECAUSE there was a "finite" amount of it. But whom regulates that? Who "made" bitcoins, and what is to stop him/her from making more? And what about these bro's with hundreds stored on a hard drive they can't access? Are those hundreds apart of this "finite" amount of them, and because they are "destroyed/missing" are the values and figures not actually accurate?

I have exactly zero doubt I don't have a handle on all of this. But super interested in yalls thoughts on it all. Thankyou for giving the time!

[Macca]

So all this time I have been of the similar belief like we are saying that this cryptocurrency etc is a stock/share/commodity/etc like you are saying.

But the question is if/when it gets used as an actual currency, banks use it, etc etc, right? What if/when it becomes "real", and doesn't fizzle out? With the aim of being reserve bank-less, like Macca's article from a few weeks ago in here.

And I guess what I'm asking is what Macca has touched on - what if people start using it intrinsically, and how do we treat it like a share until that happens, yet help it happen.

I did read one thing which I just can't get my head around at all that there are "only" 21million bit coins (note: that figure may be wrong. but there was a number stated). and so the value went up/down BECAUSE there was a "finite" amount of it. But whom regulates that? Who "made" bitcoins, and what is to stop him/her from making more? And what about these bro's with hundreds stored on a hard drive they can't access? Are those hundreds apart of this "finite" amount of them, and because they are "destroyed/missing" are the values and figures not actually accurate?

I have exactly zero doubt I don't have a handle on all of this. But super interested in yalls thoughts on it all. Thankyou for giving the time!

I don't know, but I would guess the lost bitcoins are indeed captured in the records of all existing coins. The premise is that there is exact and excellent record keeping of the transactions that take place. The problem is there is no ownership of them or anything physical. And because there's no regulator, you can't go crying to mumma and say I lost x amount please replace, or someone stole x off me.

As I was saying, my understanding is that a bitcoin is "created" by a computer working out a new solution to the security algorithm that protects the record of transactions that have taken place. As incentive for people to put their computers to work finding these solutions, a new solution is rewarded with some bitcoins.

[The Dunster]

So all this time I have been of the similar belief like we are saying that this cryptocurrency etc is a stock/share/commodity/etc like you are saying.

But the question is if/when it gets used as an actual currency, banks use it, etc etc, right? What if/when it becomes "real", and doesn't fizzle out? With the aim of being reserve bank-less, like Macca's article from a few weeks ago in here.

And I guess what I'm asking is what Macca has touched on - what if people start using it intrinsically, and how do we treat it like a share until that happens, yet help it happen.

I did read one thing which I just can't get my head around at all that there are "only" 21million bit coins (note: that figure may be wrong. but there was a number stated). and so the value went up/down BECAUSE there was a "finite" amount of it. But whom regulates that? Who "made" bitcoins, and what is to stop him/her from making more? And what about these bro's with hundreds stored on a hard drive they can't access? Are those hundreds apart of this "finite" amount of them, and because they are "destroyed/missing" are the values and figures not actually accurate?

I have exactly zero doubt I don't have a handle on all of this. But super interested in yalls thoughts on it all. Thankyou for giving the time!

It's never going to become a legitimate currency because it is not tax driven. And at the end of the day people need to meet their tax obligations which will always be denominated in the money supplied by the sovereign governments central bank - not private ones.

To give you an idea how impossible it would be to adopt bitcoin as a currency you need only look at the JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Rothschild family... and so on.

As big as they all are and influential none of them have enough pull to take on the Federal Reserve or even the RBA because they don't have the power to link an issue of money with taxation. And unless you can force demand for your money it's always going to be on borrowed time. Governments may be run by idiots but the system we have is robust enough to never allow for the link between taxation and money to be severed. Unfortunately, can't be as optimistic with respect to the Europeans and their 2h pencil constitutions. [Euro currency is one of the worst ideas in history]

Talking about bitcoin [or anything] value wise is a question Adam Smith asked in 1776 and no economist yet has been able to answer it. He got it down to value in use and value in exchange - and we have been arguing about it ever since.

[WolfMan]

Great reading, thanks all for your input.

Have a few mates who are trading Bitcoin and doing well, but as was pointed out - the value is in the eye of the beholder. It's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

At least with most stocks, they are tied to actual entities and not just an ideal.

More power to those that are trading in on this cryptocurrency and buying tangible things like lime-green lambo's. But I bet the car dealer didn't take bitcoin as payment

[The Dunster]

Not as mad as the eighties whereby a bloke with no money could write himself an IOU for $100k then take the IOU with him to the bank as Collateral and use it to borrow a million dollars or more.
You just can't do shit like that anymore. Great times.

[Macca]

Can you expand on the Euro?

[The Dunster]

Can you expand on the Euro?

Euro is useless because when countries adopt it they essentially forgo any rights to seigniorage [ difference between face value and cost to produce the money] and they also lose their fiscal powers to fill spending gaps when the non-government sector is unable to do so [which is pretty much always].

The strongest nation in the Union essentially dictates monetary and fiscal policy for all nations and does so without any regard to how it impacts on other countries.

Had the Euro never come to many countries they would have been able to avoid the social and economic problems much of Europe is experiencing today.

Greece for example who are very rich in oil / gas would never have faced the issues it currently faces were it not for adopting the Euro. They could have exercised fiscal and monetary measures to suit themselves rather than be forced to adopt ones that gave Germany a competitive advantage.

[Macca]

Its interesting. It sounds like the Euro system essentially makes money work closer to how the majority think it works - which is less usefully and flexibly than how governments can actually use it.

I guess its another system where perfect use may be beneficial but people always look out for themselves to the detriment of others, which makes the perhaps otherwise good system, flawed.

[The Dunster]

Its interesting. It sounds like the Euro system essentially makes money work closer to how the majority think it works - which is less usefully and flexibly than how governments can actually use it.

I guess its another system where perfect use may be beneficial but people always look out for themselves to the detriment of others, which makes the perhaps otherwise good system, flawed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwjZozO9IuI&t=52s

It goes for an hour or so but you will get more out of this video than I could ever explain about the Euro.

What a lot of people don't realise though is that while Germany control things now it was the French who saw it as a way for them to rule Europe economically.
The Germans pretty much got on board because they had no choice - but soon enough managed to poison the system and get it working to their advantage.

[hawk]

wait up...so all those tears from the anti conservatives about the Brexit fallout was folly? fking lulz cry me a rainbow river :violin:

[The Dunster]

wait up...so all those tears from the anti conservatives about the Brexit fallout was folly? fking lulz cry me a rainbow river :violin:

I don't think any of it comes down to being anti-conservative especially when you consider that the English conservatives themselves never warmed to the idea of being fully within the EU regime anyway - the evidence is in how they never gave up their currency and adopted the Euro. Unless you buy into the Britain as a united empire bullshit.

Why do you think it is a conservative vs anti-conservative issue ? It's more about one group wishing to maintain monetary independence and another that does not.

[hawk]

I don't think any of it comes down to being anti-conservative especially when you consider that the English conservatives themselves never warmed to the idea of being fully within the EU regime anyway - the evidence is in how they never gave up their currency and adopted the Euro. Unless you buy into the Britain as a united empire bullshit.

Why do you think it is a conservative vs anti-conservative issue ? It's more about one group wishing to maintain monetary independence and another that does not.

Well that was the political reaction from those going all ape about it over here. rivers of lol tears i tell ya.

[hawk]

Is this another cuba crisis where we are seconds from some angry pissed newt about to push a nuke button or storm in a Dcup?

[plague]

Is this another cuba crisis where we are seconds from some angry pissed newt about to push a nuke button or storm in a Dcup?

nah, just the usual tough talk.
prob was Ken-Jeong Un's old man couldnt get a proper rise out of Bush or Obama back in the day.
The young fella is having a stella time stirring up the Donald.

Good for ratings, the kids love it.

[The Dunster]

Someone has had their Twitter account suspended for politely questioning Taylor Swifts talent.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/music/someones-twitter-account-got-suspended-for-hanging-shit-on-taylor-swift/

Good thing Youtube doesn't have similar policies otherwise I'd be looking at the death penalty for my comments.

[plague]

Man it's gonna be pretty embarrassing when the Govt has to void this same sex marriage vote.

There is clearly no Slobs option.


Disc-race.

[plague]

intersting discussion had today.
i dont use facebook so cant vouch:

but

where are the profile picture filters?
where are the monuments lit up in the red white and blue?

or we dont care about white americans getting blown away.

anyone explain this for me?

because all the usual bleeding hearts that loooooooove telling me how much 'they' care and how 'heartless' i am because dont really seem to give 2 hoots about those 59 dead people.

[furns]

intersting discussion had today.
i dont use facebook so cant vouch:

but

where are the profile picture filters?
where are the monuments lit up in the red white and blue?

or we dont care about white americans getting blown away.

anyone explain this for me?

because all the usual bleeding hearts that loooooooove telling me how much 'they' care and how 'heartless' i am because dont really seem to give 2 hoots about those 59 dead people.
Might have something to do with the fact that these atrocities are a rarity in these other countries - not the norm. Gun massacres occur nearly every week in the US, yet nothing changes.
Watch Congress do SFA regarding gun control due to the NRA lobbyists embedded deep within the Republican Party, and the share prices in gun manufacturers continue to rise in response.
If they didnt do anything after Sandy Hook or Orlando, the gubmint over there wont do anything no matter what occurs.
Trump certainly wont act on it, the gun-toting, southern state evangelists are the only demographic who still think hes doing a bang up job.

[plague]

Might have something to do with the fact that these atrocities are a rarity in these other countries - not the norm. Gun massacres occur nearly every week in the US, yet nothing changes.
Watch Congress do SFA regarding gun control due to the NRA lobbyists embedded deep within the Republican Party, and the share prices in gun manufacturers continue to rise in response.
If they didnt do anything after Sandy Hook or Orlando, the gubmint over there wont do anything no matter what occurs.
Trump certainly wont act on it, the gun-toting, southern state evangelists are the only demographic who still think hes doing a bang up job.

yeah look all of your points are valid.

but

everyone lit the joint up in rainbow colours for the Orlando shooting less than a year ago.

i think its a fair criticism of the new age social media activists that they seem to have not bothered with this one.

if someone wants to explain the difference between 49 innocent kids at a gay nightclub vs 59 innocent country music fans then im all ears.

[plague]

and also, the sneaky thing the NRA do well is they actually donate to both sides (yes by far more to republicans) but the fact they hold something over the majority of Congress, whoever has control, makes it more difficult to get anything done.

[MFKS]

yeah look all of your points are valid.

but

everyone lit the joint up in rainbow colours for the Orlando shooting less than a year ago.

i think its a fair criticism of the new age social media activists that they seem to have not bothered with this one.

if someone wants to explain the difference between 49 innocent kids at a gay nightclub vs 59 innocent country music fans then im all ears.

Plague your new age social media activists are just opportunistic two faced hypocrites

No other way of putting it

They love nothing more than jumping on a band wagon when it seems cool and they always show selectiveness with info

Bunch of parasites the lot of these leftist muppets

[MFKS]

and also, the sneaky thing the NRA do well is they actually donate to both sides (yes by far more to republicans) but the fact they hold something over the majority of Congress, whoever has control, makes it more difficult to get anything done.

They also hold a lot of sway over rank and file Seppos

The dumb ****s are that brainwashed it not funny

They celebrate that their country was created at the barrel of a gun and instead of advancing away from it wrap their past present and future history around the barrel of a gun

The amount of Seppos who can't see how they can actually live without a gun is alarming

[pv4]

they always show selectiveness with info



I can't help but point out your views on same sex marriage, selectively using one book for info

[pv4]

plague - i just read a post on your precious facebook that I thought was funny and slightly relevant:


One shoe bomber tried to blow up a place and now we take off our shoes. 1518 mass shootings since Sandy Hook and Congress has done NOTHING.

[WolfMan]

Also, we understand that changing a profile picture or filter or whatever doesn’t actually achieve anything, right?

[plague]

Also, we understand that changing a profile picture or filter or whatever doesn’t actually achieve anything, right?

oh look thats always been my reasoning for never doing it (back in the days when i used facespace and twitterbook).
but geez the comments i got when i pointed out this fact were astounding.

just found it odd that 'now' everyone sees its pointless.


until of course the next tragedy with a group of victims that fit the right criteria.

[plague]

I can't help but point out your views on same sex marriage, selectively using one book for info

yeah but in defence of the good Member hes never claimed to be anything other than partisan on the issue.


my argument has always been how every time one of these things happen its "thoughts and prayers" and "support" and "awareness"............except when there are a bunch of hillbillies involved.

[plague]

They also hold a lot of sway over rank and file Seppos

The dumb ****s are that brainwashed it not funny

They celebrate that their country was created at the barrel of a gun and instead of advancing away from it wrap their past present and future history around the barrel of a gun

The amount of Seppos who can't see how they can actually live without a gun is alarming

yeah look all ill say is that assuming the easy fix is to just get everyone to hand in their guns and all will be sweet is far too simplistic.
the issue is way too complex.

also, the amount of times i hear people point to australias gun laws and lecture the yanks is laughable.
its a totally different beast.

[plague]

one thing i did read a little about recently was Barack Obama making noises on creating his own 'super pac' of donors and otherwise rich mo-fos to create a lobby group to out spend and out influence the NRA.
where members of congress are too scared to lose that gun money, Obama is gonna fund the other guy who is pro gun control. its an interesting take on the political process and one that everyone is gonna get behind on principle. it would then be interesting what else Obama and his mates 'want' to happen and how those future philosophies get influenced through the system.

i mean you're just replacing one group of bribes with another but all of a sudden people might be ok with elections getting 'purchased'.

[MFKS]

I can't help but point out your views on same sex marriage, selectively using one book for info

I could also counter serve this that the pro Adam and Steve advocates have spent most of the time using the whole marriage equality debate to actually have a pop at religion. Less time focusing on the actual issues at hand but more trying to force feed their opinions down people's throats

For the most part the direction of their targets has been the Christian element in particular the Catholic church wielding the brunt of it

Intersesting aspect to this is the Christians although disagreeing with their opinion are a little more tolerant to the Adam and Steve's out there

I still waiting for these leftist hipster Muppets to rock up out the front of a Mosque and try some of the bullshit they been aiming at Christians

The hypocrisy of them failing to take aim at this religion who are a lot further away from the leftists views on equality for all makes them look like selective cowards

[Bon]

Jeeez plague..
I came in here expecting to find you writing about the conspiracy theories surrounding the shooting and one of your now famous #staywoke

[MFKS]

yeah look all ill say is that assuming the easy fix is to just get everyone to hand in their guns and all will be sweet is far too simplistic.
the issue is way too complex.

also, the amount of times i hear people point to australias gun laws and lecture the yanks is laughable.
its a totally different beast.

Taking the guns away isn't going to fix anything

Reality is it actually their attitude to the belief of being entitled to having the guns that is the fundamental problem

They think it a god given right to have them and can not see it from any other way

Changing this is just not ever going to happen
It is an indefinite ****ed scenario that will just go around and around and around and will not change in 1000 years

[MFKS]

Jeeez plague..
I came in here expecting to find you writing about the conspiracy theories surrounding the shooting and one of your now famous #staywoke

You want conspiracy theory

The bullshit story the authorities are passing off that this bloke is a crazy nutter who done this for little readon is complete bullshit

The elaborate ways with what he has achieved is beyond the scope of some bloke cracking the shits over something

Considering the elaborateness of what he did set up I find the number of deaths injured bizarre

Bizarre that it not much higher

Whatever they telling us it definitely not 100% truth that for sure

Be interesting to see what changes the government get through breaching civil liberties out of this

[plague]

Jeeez plague..
I came in here expecting to find you writing about the conspiracy theories surrounding the shooting and one of your now famous #staywoke

I need all the facts first Bon.
I need to look at the shooters suicide photo for the 65th time THE BLOOD SPLATTERS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH SUICIDE.

Anyone else notice the 32nd floor gave the shooter a ‘birds eye’ view of the concert?
You know who else has a birds eye view?

I’m woke, but there is plenty to unravel here.

[Macca]

Might have something to do with the fact that these atrocities are a rarity in these other countries - not the norm. Gun massacres occur nearly every week in the US, yet nothing changes.
Watch Congress do SFA regarding gun control due to the NRA lobbyists embedded deep within the Republican Party, and the share prices in gun manufacturers continue to rise in response.
If they didnt do anything after Sandy Hook or Orlando, the gubmint over there wont do anything no matter what occurs.
Trump certainly wont act on it, the gun-toting, southern state evangelists are the only demographic who still think hes doing a bang up job.

Worse than that even.
1516 mass shootings in the last 1735 days. More than 6 per week on average.
Mass shooting defined here as 4 or more people injured in the same attack.

[plague]

Trump certainly wont act on it,

See this the one that gets me at the moment.

Of course Trump isn’t doing anything about it. He said pre election he wasn’t going to do anything about it.

Mirror that to the former president and recent presidential candidate who spoke out of both sides of their mouths on this issue.

Americans at least voted for the guy who was honest on the issue.

and as for Obama’s excuse (lie) about dealing with a hostile Congress, if you think old Donnie has control of the room then you ain’t been paying attention.

[The Dunster]

The best article on all this ever printed. The NRA represent the manufacturers and distributors of firearms. They do not represent the owners / buyers of firearms.


Gorilla Sales Skyrocket after Latest Gorilla Attacks.

SAN DIEGO—Following the events of last week, in which a crazed western lowland gorilla ruthlessly murdered 21 people in a local shopping plaza after escaping from the San Diego Zoo, sources across the country confirmed Thursday that national gorilla sales have since skyrocketed.

“After seeing yet another deranged gorilla just burst into a public place and start killing people, I decided I need to make sure something like that never happens to me,” said 34-year-old Atlanta resident Nick Keller, shortly after purchasing a 350-pound mountain gorilla from his local gorilla store. “It just gives me peace of mind knowing that if I’m ever in that situation, I won’t have to just watch helplessly as my torso is ripped in half and my face is chewed off. I’ll be able to use my gorilla to defend myself.”

“Law enforcement and animal control can only get there so quickly,” Keller added. “And you never know when you’ll need to use a gorilla to save your life.”

Reports confirmed that gorilla sales have historically risen sharply in the immediate aftermath of a major gorilla attack, most notably after the 2010 tragedy in the small town of Logan, NM, where 14 people, including two 5-year-old children and a 92-year-old woman, were viciously beaten to death by a 12-year-old gorilla who spontaneously attacked patrons of a crowded grocery store.

The latest attack marked the fifth of its kind in the United States within the last six months and has reignited the explosive national debate over gorilla control, with thousands of outraged Americans reportedly demanding that their government representatives act immediately in order to prevent further bloodshed.

“We’ve had to deal with too many gorilla-related tragedies, and we’ve had to bury too many innocent, feces-covered victims,” said Nicole Simmons, president of the Mothers Against Gorillas coalition, who herself lost her 16-year-old son in the infamous Baker High School gorilla rampage of 1997. “It’s time to put an end to this. We need to get gorillas off the streets once and for all. Enough is enough.”

“The answer to this systemic problem is not more gorillas,” Simmons continued, her eyes welling with tears. “The answer is fewer gorillas.”

As evidence, Simmons pointed to a 2011 University of Maryland study, which found that 98 percent of Americans who own a gorilla have never used them for defense against a home invasion. Simmons also cited widely reported studies confirming that people who keep gorillas in the home are 12 times more likely to have their arms torn off, and children in those households are 19 times more likely to be picked up by the legs and bashed repeatedly into the ground.

Furthermore, many gorilla control advocates have reportedly called for statewide limits to the number of gorillas one can purchase and a federal ban on the ownership of silverbacks, referencing as an example the tight gorilla laws in countries such as Japan, England, and Australia, where the annual rate of gorilla crimes is virtually nonexistent.

“There is absolutely no reason—not for hunting, protection, or otherwise—that an ordinary citizen would need to possess a 600-pound silverback,” said Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ), one of the most outspoken gorilla control advocates in Congress. “The general public frankly has no business owning apes of this size, and the only people who do are zookeepers who are trained to properly handle them. Otherwise, they are nothing but a threat to society and only serve to perpetuate more violence.”

Opponents to gorilla control legislation, however, appear to be fervent in their defense of their gorilla possession rights. A spokesperson for the powerful yet controversial national gorilla lobby told reporters that a ban on gorillas would not end incidents such as that in San Diego, as those who want the large primates could simply buy them from illegal dealers who smuggle them into the country from the jungles of sub-Saharan Africa.

Many gorilla owners also told sources that the creatures are primarily used for legal hunting purposes and that the overwhelming majority of gorilla enthusiasts are completely responsible with their apes.

“Listen, it’s my God-given right as an American to have the freedom to own a gorilla to protect myself and my family,” said Nashua, NH resident James Harrington, 46, adding that he personally owns 12 different gorillas of various sizes, but keeps them “safely locked away in [his] home.” “And the government has another thing coming if they think they can come into my house and take away my gorillas.”

“What happened in San Diego was horrible, but that doesn’t mean all gorillas are bad,” Harrington added. “In fact, if every person at that mall had a gorilla, then the tragedy probably never would have even happened in the first place.”

At press time, following the increase in national gorilla sales, four isolated gorilla attacks had just been reported across the country, with the overall civilian death toll currently estimated at 37.
http://www.theonion.com/article/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac-30860

[Macca]

Love it

[MFKS]

How good would it be if the Jets put a gorilla in the team??

Imagine him bossing Midfield

[hawk]

How good would it be if the Jets put a gorilla in the team??

Imagine him bossing Midfield

We did once, we had......
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[hawk]

Battle of Catalan independence

Just saw some debate supposed ordered dialogue and I cant see anything but a small war breaking out. fking hate is ticking large.

Whats gonna happen here political know-its?


No one? fking mutes all ya

[q-money]

alright troops - can anyone point me to a same-sex marriage market anywhere on SB/betfair etc?

i know sportsbet had one but the PC thugs made them take it down. better guide than people lying through their teeth to pollsters.

[hawk]

alright troops - can anyone point me to a same-sex marriage market anywhere on SB/betfair etc?

i know sportsbet had one but the PC thugs made them take it down. better guide than people lying through their teeth to pollsters.

suspended due to vote count being known by insiders and trust factor is way low

[plague]

Krissy K $3.28 to win Benelong.

Not saying it’s a sure thing, but thems good odds if you’re in a 2 horse race esp with the Libs that much on the nose.

It’s as good as you’ll get it.

Load up boys.





(prob only allowed $50 max bet or some shit booooooooooooooooo).

[q-money]

still love the fact that most people remember him as "former gladiators referee John Alexander" rather than for his tennis prowess

[plague]

shes already $2.70 the fix is in boys hurry up.

[plague]

2 interesting things in the SSM vote (well, interesting to me).

80% of people vote which I think will lead to a big discussion on ‘optional voting’ for elections.

The ‘yes’ vote having a 6 in front of it is pretty big. The ‘perceived’ difference between even 61% and say a 59% vote lets everyone declare it a ‘landslide’ and it gives pollies plenty of room to shoot it through parliament without fuss saying “we’ll its what the people wanted”.

Whether that’s the outcome is yet to be determined though, and trusting those lot is a braver choice than I’m willing to make.

[Bon]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b16fbfaaf14fc9b396f2a0ea84f07ec9/tenor.gif?itemid=8238360

[MFKS]

2 interesting things in the SSM vote (well, interesting to me).

80% of people vote which I think will lead to a big discussion on ‘optional voting’ for elections.

The ‘yes’ vote having a 6 in front of it is pretty big. The ‘perceived’ difference between even 61% and say a 59% vote lets everyone declare it a ‘landslide’ and it gives pollies plenty of room to shoot it through parliament without fuss saying “we’ll its what the people wanted”.

Whether that’s the outcome is yet to be determined though, and trusting those lot is a braver choice than I’m willing to make.

The surprising thing was that it was only 6/10 in favour of it

From the pro SSM campaign it was led to believe it was what was wanted by the people

I actually thought it would be much more clear cut but 4 in 10 saying no is still a sizeable amount of the population

It actually puts the pollies in a spot as they can't afford to disenchant 4/10 of the population nor can they afford to upset 6/10 of the population either


Interesting thing for mine was that Western Sydney more or less unanimously on the No side

Considering this is generally a multicultural mix but not only that it also the breeding group in society be interesting how this fairs in future when the immigration and breeding continues out there

[q-money]

goes to show that the immigrants of western sydney do not adhere to the majority values of australia once again, deport them all etc

hold on wait wat

[pv4]

133 electorates voted yes. 17 voted no. If this were an election it would be a rainbow coloured landslide.

[Tommyjet]

That 4/10 can go suck a big fat sour sausage

[MFKS]

That 4/10 can go suck a big fat sour sausage
Wouldn't that be what a large favour of the 6/10 are advocating and the 4/10 don't want ??

[q-money]

give it a go you might cheer up a bit

[plague]

I’ve often wondered how society would react if Indigenous folk were dancing in the streets telling all the whiteys to eat a bag cause they can’t climb Uluru anymore?

[MFKS]

give it a go you might cheer up a bit

Sodomy??

Went for a proctology examination once

How anyone can find that stuff fun blows my mind

Plus the last ten years supporting the Jets has seen us all get sodomized repeatedly

[plague]

Member has a good point about western Sydney though.

Plenty of the loudmouths in our society are more than happy to let all and sundry come here and bristle at the word ‘assimilate’ but dear god just don’t bring ‘that’ part of your culture here.

All of a sudden being selective is all cool cool.

[q-money]

I’ve often wondered how society would react if Indigenous folk were dancing in the streets telling all the whiteys to eat a bag cause they can’t climb Uluru anymore?

this is a pretty bad take tbh, no one said that heteros can't get married, and tbh i'd be all for it if they wanted to, we've ravaged their lives enough for the last 200 years

[q-money]

Member has a good point about western Sydney though.

Plenty of the loudmouths in our society are more than happy to let all and sundry come here and bristle at the word ‘assimilate’ but dear god just don’t bring ‘that’ part of your culture here.

All of a sudden being selective is all cool cool.

so the only mates that the australian far right have are the islamic terrorist reffos out in the west of sydney. these blokes are fkn lost mate

[Bon]

Sodomy??

Went for a proctology examination once

How anyone can find that stuff fun blows my mind

Plus the last ten years supporting the Jets has seen us all get sodomized repeatedly

Was your mind the only thing blown? haha

In all seriousness though, sodomy isn't limited to just homosexuals. The definition was actually broadened to cover any sexual act that doesn't result in procreation..
You are right, we've had 10 years of copping it, but now most of us are committing sodomy when old Roy is banging in goals.. I know I'm whackin' off like a madman when we win.. :gent:

[q-money]

i will let bon root me in the dunga if we beat sydney

[Bon]

i will let bon root me in the dunga if we beat sydney

:lulzturtle:

[pv4]

All of a sudden being selective is all cool cool.

Which makes this dual citizenship MP thing even stranger to me. We claim we want to embrace being multicultural until we actually realise how multicultural we are.

Da Membah can go move to the caliphate formerly known as Granville if he pleases. He'll be amongst like minded people there, it seems.

[plague]

this is a pretty bad take tbh, no one said that heteros can't get married, and tbh i'd be all for it if they wanted to, we've ravaged their lives enough for the last 200 years

I’ve no problem with either decision. I actually support both of them.
I just found it interesting that we respected religion in one instance but considered it irrelevant it in the other. I’m not going to pretend for a second that I’m not a hypocrite on these types of things.

It should (hopefully) be a lesson to the lawmakers that you can’t please everyone. sometimes it’s gonna make you the bad guy, but if you aim to do what’s ‘right’ or ‘fair’ vs what is ‘popular’ you’ll be much better off.

I’ve just no idea why it’s now open season on anyone who objected. And FWIW, it seems to be a bunch of hetro’s doing the stupidity. Most of the gays are all like ‘cool cool let’s get on with it’.

[q-money]

i didn't see you defending the leftist snowflakes from brutal online assault when your man Don T got elected

[plague]

i didn't see you defending the leftist snowflakes from brutal online assault when your man Don T got elected

I was too busy snorting lines through 1000 dollar bills off a strippers ass that’s my bad.

Also, the only bloke crying was Parksey and he hates me anyway so what’s the point.

[q-money]

:rof:

[q-money]

seriously though, some of the takes were so bad and deserved to be ridiculed.

remember these peanuts - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5075865/Nick-Sarah-Jensen-Divorce-sex-marriage-couple.html?ITO=applenews

[MFKS]

I’ve no problem with either decision. I actually support both of them.
I just found it interesting that we respected religion in one instance but considered it irrelevant it in the other. I’m not going to pretend for a second that I’m not a hypocrite on these types of things.

It should (hopefully) be a lesson to the lawmakers that you can’t please everyone. sometimes it’s gonna make you the bad guy, but if you aim to do what’s ‘right’ or ‘fair’ vs what is ‘popular’ you’ll be much better off.

I’ve just no idea why it’s now open season on anyone who objected. And FWIW, it seems to be a bunch of hetro’s doing the stupidity. Most of the gays are all like ‘cool cool let’s get on with it’.
Yeah the clowns doing the bleating and putting shit on those who objected are pains in the arse

Typical of them is the my opinion is right and your wrong for disagreeing

Then to top matters off their the type of clowns who block you ban you etc for expressing a contrary view that doesn't fit in with their little narrative

They the type who just like to take their bat and ball and **** off home

[MFKS]

Which makes this dual citizenship MP thing even stranger to me. We claim we want to embrace being multicultural until we actually realise how multicultural we are.

Da Membah can go move to the caliphate formerly known as Granville if he pleases. He'll be amongst like minded people there, it seems.
That just politics between the two parties leveraging chaos on each other for political gain and ****ing the country over to try and get themselves elected

I couldn't give two ****s if Barnaby Joyce is part foreign citizen

I more concerned as to who the idiots are who continue to elect him in the first place

[plague]

seriously though, some of the takes were so bad and deserved to be ridiculed.

remember these peanuts - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5075865/Nick-Sarah-Jensen-Divorce-sex-marriage-couple.html?ITO=applenews

Oh legit, out these clowns by all means.

They weren’t making a case, they were injecting themselves into the argument. I think there’s a difference.

But the lady doctor on that ad getting threatened with being struck off the register?

Nope, that’s some bullshit right there.

I think even on here the good Member has his own certain style but I respect the way he presents it. Sure there’s been the odd terrible post but even though we disagree on this issue I’ll listen to his point of view.

Anyway now that this is over let’s get back to the reasonable and polite discussion on climate chan.............OH DEAR GOD KILL ME NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Bon]

Bloody hell plague.. Don't start that old chestnut off again.. haha
Just get back to your devil's dandruff with Wilso and then take him to Bunnings..

[MFKS]

Bloody hell plague.. Don't start that old chestnut off again.. haha
Just get back to your devil's dandruff with Wilso and then take him to Bunnings..

Speaking of devils dandruff Plague I off this weekend to Hong Kong again

Any recommendations on strip clubs and devils dandruff??

[plague]

Speaking of devils dandruff Plague I off this weekend to Hong Kong again

Any recommendations on strip clubs and devils dandruff??

Listen my brother if you try and hook up in any Asian country going in cold then you are a clown (unless it’s Bali and you happen to know the guy who knows the guy who runs the whole damn place).

But I’ve only been to Honkers with family so haven’t had a big night out yet.

Back there in March for the races with the boys so maybe you’ll need to give me some tips.

[MFKS]

Listen my brother if you try and hook up in any Asian country going in cold then you are a clown (unless it’s Bali and you happen to know the guy who knows the guy who runs the whole damn place).

But I’ve only been to Honkers with family so haven’t had a big night out yet.

Back there in March for the races with the boys so maybe you’ll need to give me some tips.

So how was the Hong Kong Bunnings equivalent that weekend??

Does it compare favourably with ours ??

[pv4]

This:


Typical of them is the my opinion is right and your wrong for disagreeing

And this:


So how was the Hong Kong Bunnings equivalent that weekend??

Does it compare favourably with ours ??

In the same thread as each other is just too good.

[MFKS]

This:



And this:



In the same thread as each other is just too good.
See though WLG I won't censure anyone for disagreeing with me

Nor will I take my bat and ball and **** off home because you have an alternate view

I still goibg to believe your wrong though whilst I debate the point with you

Lol

[skippy]

Listen my brother if you try and hook up in any Asian country going in cold then you are a clown (unless it’s Bali and you happen to know the guy who knows the guy who runs the whole damn place).

But I’ve only been to Honkers with family so haven’t had a big night out yet.

Back there in March for the races with the boys so maybe you’ll need to give me some tips.

HK is relatively easily to score some or so I have heard, every 2nd bloke was doing it at the sevens including this one, I would try and find some expats might pay a bit more but less likely to be detained.

[MFKS]

Which makes this dual citizenship MP thing even stranger to me. We claim we want to embrace being multicultural until we actually realise how multicultural we are.

Da Membah can go move to the caliphate formerly known as Granville if he pleases. He'll be amongst like minded people there, it seems.

Just spent 1 hour and 30 mins getting to Homebush from Hornsby

****s down here can't drive for shit

[The Dunster]

2 interesting things in the SSM vote (well, interesting to me).

80% of people vote which I think will lead to a big discussion on ‘optional voting’ for elections.

The ‘yes’ vote having a 6 in front of it is pretty big. The ‘perceived’ difference between even 61% and say a 59% vote lets everyone declare it a ‘landslide’ and it gives pollies plenty of room to shoot it through parliament without fuss saying “we’ll its what the people wanted”.

Whether that’s the outcome is yet to be determined though, and trusting those lot is a braver choice than I’m willing to make.

61% is a terrible result and were this vote to have been an actual referendum it would probably have failed to be carried anyway. I'm personally not for same sex marriage - but I still voted Yes because I don't believe myself or anyone for that matter has the right to determine the status of any relationship between two consenting adults as illegal.

Almost 40% of people in this country think that they should have the right to control / determine the legal status of a relationship between two consenting adults.

Anyone that thinks Australia is more progressive now than it was 50 years ago is kidding themselves.

In 1967 Indigenous Australians were given the right to vote. Run that same referendum today and I guarantee it would not pass - this country is an abortion.

[plague]

actually one more thing on the vote.
when it was advertised it was made perfectly clear that every vote would be anonymous.


but


they seem to be talking about a heck of a lot of data narrowed down to age/sex/location etc.


errrrr how would they have that info unless your vote was tied to your personal data file via the census/electoral role?
yes yes yes they are gonna say its deep deep deep down in the cyber abyss that no one can ever get to and publish.



Just remember Hillary thought the same thing.


hashtagstaywoke

[plague]

In 1967 Indigenous Australians were given the right to vote. Run that same referendum today and I guarantee it would not pass - this country is an abortion.


nawww man theres no way in gosford that anyone is putting their name and face behind a 'no' campaign on this one.

us white folk aint 'that' bad.

[The Dunster]

67 referendum was over 90%. No way would thode numbers be matched today.

[hawk]

I'm personally not for same sex marriage - but I still voted Yes because I don't believe myself or anyone for that matter has the right to determine the status of any relationship between two consenting adults as illegal.

lol, A bit confused

a. you voted against your opinion.
b. if no one has the right to determine the status of relationship you shouldn't have voted at all. You helped decide a relationship status albeit helping to create choice

now back to the next outrage supercars, wheres our local jobs?

[Macca]

lol, A bit confused

a. you voted against your opinion.
b. if no one has the right to determine the status of relationship you shouldn't have voted at all. You helped decide a relationship status albeit helping to create choice

now back to the next outrage supercars, wheres our local jobs?

A bit like the difference between not thinking pineapples should be allowed on pizzas and actually enforcing that its illegal for anyone to do it.

[plague]

pineapples should be allowed on pizzas

However ‘depraved’ some people think homosexuality is, society as a whole can wholeheartedly agree that anyone pulling this type of shit deserves the electric chair.


The horror.