The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[Bremsstrahlung]

Pay 4x the amount on eBay?
If you can’t afford it, you don’t deserve it.



...or so I heard.



But srsly, shops are bare in western Sydney, not much happening at all.

[StannyCFCJET]

Anyone having issues getting food / Groceries ? Not having a lot of luck around here except for fresh fruit and veges being easy to find. I guess mongs don't like eating healthy.

Common theme all over looks like it

[Frodo]

Anyone having issues getting food / Groceries ? Not having a lot of luck around here except for fresh fruit and veges being easy to find. I guess mongs don't like eating healthy.

Head out of town. I shop in Maitland and have only had issues with dried Pasta, TP, Tissues and the missus had to go to the chemist to find Lady stuff.

Also, try your local Asian mart. The idiots are steering clear of it.

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Anyone having issues getting food / Groceries ? Not having a lot of luck around here except for fresh fruit and veges being easy to find. I guess mongs don't like eating healthy.

Yes D

Boss and i went for a shop this arvo and this is a typical of the two stores we went to.

No Meat ie mince snags or cuts of any beast.
Vegimite Gluten free version only
Stuff All Cereals
Bugger all Honey
Tomato sauce
Bugger all tinned food ie Spag, beans etc.
Cheeses

[pv4]

USA currently has 4800 infections and 90 deaths

There are 300 million people there

Some perspective may be required

As for a country with no universal healthcare

Philippines
100 million plus living in poverty for the most part
142 infections 12 deaths

They seem to be doing quite alright with no health care available for the poor locals

If those figures you've posted and my maths are both accurate:
1.9% of cases result in death in the USA.
8.5% of cases result in death in the Phillipines.

Were you trying to head in this direction when you posted that?

[MFKS]

If those figures you've posted and my maths are both accurate:
1.9% of cases result in death in the USA.
8.5% of cases result in death in the Phillipines.

Were you trying to head in this direction when you posted that?

My point being is in the Philippines they live at extremely close quarters to one another, they live with multiple people sleeping in the same room etc people there would also struggle to.afford basics like food so ain't gonna have all the alcohol soaps and fancy shit the western world has nor will the locals be In any position for health care if affected

Basically they are a prime candidate for mass devastation from Covid19

There tally is what 142 cases for a population of over 100 million

That pretty low rate considering all that is stacked against them

[Aegon]

Anyone else more worried about the financial fallout of the corona virus than the virus itself?

So many people are going to be financially crippled by this.................

[pv4]

My point being is in the Philippines they live at extremely close quarters to one another, they live with multiple people sleeping in the same room etc people there would also struggle to.afford basics like food so ain't gonna have all the alcohol soaps and fancy shit the western world has nor will the locals be In any position for health care if affected

Basically they are a prime candidate for mass devastation from Covid19

There tally is what 142 cases for a population of over 100 million

That pretty low rate considering all that is stacked against them

There are places like Bali & Sudan that have/had no infections recorded, the first one being death. I honestly question the testing practices at a lot of other places.

[Skirt Boy]

Anyone else more worried about the financial fallout of the corona virus than the virus itself?

So many people are going to be financially crippled by this.................

I only opened a new professional studio in January. We had only just started to have our rent covered. If we don't shoot to create new content we don't make money. Naturally because of what I shoot yeah.

Commercial enquiries have all but dried up across photography in general. IE no weddings, event or corporate gigs.

[MFKS]

There are places like Bali & Sudan that have/had no infections recorded, the first one being death. I honestly question the testing practices at a lot of other places.

I wonder how many people are coming down with some version of cold fever influenza etc and being falsely diagnosed with Corona as the dumb ****s are panicking

[MFKS]

Anyone else more worried about the financial fallout of the corona virus than the virus itself?

So many people are going to be financially crippled by this.................

If the number of deaths increases then yes

But if we stay on the same trajectory or improve the rate of infection then this shit will be over in a month or so


I don't see anyone afraid to not go anywhere yet.

Every man and his dog is happy to risk life and limb to go to the Shopping mall

Biggest problem we got at the moment is the level of panic

That needs to be resolved first and foremost

[baldrick]

But if we stay on the same trajectory or improve the rate of infection then this shit will be over in a month or so



Don’t believe this will be over in a month. We’re in this for the long haul.



Biggest problem we got at the moment is the level of panic

That needs to be resolved first and foremost

Correct.

[The Dunster]

I wonder how many people are coming down with some version of cold fever influenza etc and being falsely diagnosed with Corona as the dumb ****s are panicking

If you have the virus you can spread it to others. If you have a cold or influenza then you are more susceptible to picking up the corona virus if exposed to it because you immunity will have been compromised.

It's pretty much like hiv / aids - you just assume anyone you are going to root has it and protect yourself and them accordingly.

[MFKS]

If you have the virus you can spread it to others. If you have a cold or influenza then you are more susceptible to picking up the corona virus if exposed to it because you immunity will have been compromised.

It's pretty much like hiv / aids - you just assume anyone you are going to root has it and protect yourself and them accordingly.

But if we take the safe approach here we have false numbers of infected

So as a result the reality ain't what is being claimed

[Aegon]

I only opened a new professional studio in January. We had only just started to have our rent covered. If we don't shoot to create new content we don't make money. Naturally because of what I shoot yeah.

Commercial enquiries have all but dried up across photography in general. IE no weddings, event or corporate gigs.

This is exactly my point, small businesses are already being hit, with a flow on to casual workers, tradies, retail, hospitality.

I have friends that won't be able to financially survive the current downturn for another 2-4 weeks without laying people off, others who have already been told to take paid leave. The coffee shop close to my office was asking customers on Monday morning what their plans would be over the coming weeks as it affects how much stock they order or whether they continue to trade at all.

If we continue down the current path even without additional measures we will see businesses closing and job losses. Lack of income will result in rent/mortgages being missed or at the minimum less money be spent which flows on to the rest of the economy.

This definitely scares me more than the virus itself.

[The Dunster]

But if we take the safe approach here we have false numbers of infected

So as a result the reality ain't what is being claimed

Sometimes the optimal course of action is choosing the best bad idea. This seems to be one of those situations.

[Frodo]

But if we take the safe approach here we have false numbers of infected

So as a result the reality ain't what is being claimed

What's wrong with a few extra people being tested? What is the negative here exactly? The test will show if they are infected or not.

[Jetmaster]

This is exactly my point, small businesses are already being hit, with a flow on to casual workers, tradies, retail, hospitality.

I have friends that won't be able to financially survive the current downturn for another 2-4 weeks without laying people off, others who have already been told to take paid leave. The coffee shop close to my office was asking customers on Monday morning what their plans would be over the coming weeks as it affects how much stock they order or whether they continue to trade at all.

If we continue down the current path even without additional measures we will see businesses closing and job losses. Lack of income will result in rent/mortgages being missed or at the minimum less money be spent which flows on to the rest of the economy.

This definitely scares me more than the virus itself.

Good points...I too have this gut feeling that noble and correct as the current actions are, they will cause far more social and financial damage in 2-3 months than letting it run it's course focussing on relentless hygiene management. It is a novel thing now but imagine this in 3 months time. It is prudent to note that South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong have levelled out by acting quickly.

There will be 300,000 jobs gone by September. How many businesses shut down is anyone's guess.

Schools will close and parents have to stay home. 30% of healthcare workers have kids at school. Panic buying will continue and there will be more shopping rage. Mortgages will fall behind. Anyone who thinks the government can pay wages is off their tree.

People stuck at home with nothing to do and nowhere to go during winter will go stir crazy. There is little doubt crime rates will rise as people get desperate. Rules are being made up on the fly.

We could soon see what anarchy really is.

[MFKS]

What's wrong with a few extra people being tested? What is the negative here exactly? The test will show if they are infected or not.

Sailed straight over your head

Due to the shortage of testing kits around the world plenty of people will present with some symptoms of flu normal cough n cold etc and be told they have Corona

Go home self isolate and go to hospital if they get worse

So they being treated for Corona when they just have influenza due to the lack of medical resources available around the planet

So the official figure for Corona is bound to be much lower than what it is


On another note is anyone following what Soros is doing right now??

Clues be there

[StannyCFCJET]

Sailed straight over your head

Due to the shortage of testing kits around the world plenty of people will present with some symptoms of flu normal cough n cold etc and be told they have Corona

Go home self isolate and go to hospital if they get worse

So they being treated for Corona when they just have influenza due to the lack of medical resources available around the planet

So the official figure for Corona is bound to be much lower than what it is


On another note is anyone following what Soros is doing right now??

Clues be there

You will only be told you have Corona if you test positive, Have you not paid attention past few weeks.

[Frodo]

Sailed straight over your head

Due to the shortage of testing kits around the world plenty of people will present with some symptoms of flu normal cough n cold etc and be told they have Corona

Go home self isolate and go to hospital if they get worse

So they being treated for Corona when they just have influenza due to the lack of medical resources available around the planet

So the official figure for Corona is bound to be much lower than what it is


On another note is anyone following what Soros is doing right now??

Clues be there

Where is the shortage? South Korea have been testing 10,000 people a day for weeks now using the standard DNA swab kits. China has so many kits their billionaires have been buying them and giving them away to other countries. There is no shortage of kits worldwide.

If you are wondering why the US has been so slow on testing, it's because they want a US company to copy the German PCR test. That way they can keep the profits in US hands. They have hospitals ready to test 2000-5000 people a day, but can't get approval from the US government.

[The Dunster]

Head out of town. I shop in Maitland and have only had issues with dried Pasta, TP, Tissues and the missus had to go to the chemist to find Lady stuff.

Also, try your local Asian mart. The idiots are steering clear of it.

I live at Oakhampton / Maitland.

The Asian Marts are sending buses to remote areas and buying up food for resale.
They cleaned out Morpeth this morning.

[MFKS]

Where is the shortage? South Korea have been testing 10,000 people a day for weeks now using the standard DNA swab kits. China has so many kits their billionaires have been buying them and giving them away to other countries. There is no shortage of kits worldwide.

If you are wondering why the US has been so slow on testing, it's because they want a US company to copy the German PCR test. That way they can keep the profits in US hands. They have hospitals ready to test 2000-5000 people a day, but can't get approval from the US government.

Can you go get a test done today if you want??

Even under your Socialist health care system you will struggle to get access to be tested


Plenty of articles of people not being able to get a test when they wanted one

[MFKS]

You will only be told you have Corona if you test positive, Have you not paid attention past few weeks.

No

I don't follow MSM like a sheep

That probably why I ain't as fearful as all these half wits are

[Frodo]

Can you go get a test done today if you want??

Even under your Socialist health care system you will struggle to get access to be tested


Plenty of articles of people not being able to get a test when they wanted one

Got any proof of this? Or has the hospitals just been turning away people with symptoms of the "cold fever influenza etc" like you put it before?

If you have the symptoms, you get tested. Communism win right there!

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https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/sick-sydney-couple-who-were-refused-testing-later-test-positive-to-coronavirus-c-751098

[pv4]

Got any proof of this? Or has the hospitals just been turning away people with symptoms of the "cold fever influenza etc" like you put it before?

If you have the symptoms, you get tested. Communism win right there!

I know at least one person that doctors won't test because he hasn't been overseas and/or come into contact with a known case.. yet he currently has sore throat and a cough and is at home. Because he hasn't travelled, his GP won't request he be tested, so he can't go to a test centre, is what he is telling us.

[The Dunster]

I know at least one person that doctors won't test because he hasn't been overseas and/or come into contact with a known case.. yet he currently has sore throat and a cough and is at home. Because he hasn't travelled, his GP won't request he be tested, so he can't go to a test centre, is what he is telling us.

It makes perfect sense. A bit like mammograms for women under 25 years old. Great idea if they have a family history and so on but a complete waste of finite resources if they don't. [Horrible situation obviously for some].

Science / medicine really just comes down to probabilities [and I know Doctors don't like to admit this] and they have to manage resources accordingly.

[MFKS]

Got any proof of this? Or has the hospitals just been turning away people with symptoms of the "cold fever influenza etc" like you put it before?

If you have the symptoms, you get tested. Communism win right there!

There is a thing called Google you know??

Just to put you on the right track there was some health facility in Melbourne who had ****s queuing all day at and most didn't get seen

Was about last weekend from memory

[MFKS]

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-18/coronavirus-test-kit-rationing-virologist-warns/12062146?pfmredir=sm


I do love how even your Communist mates at the ABC even throw in the word rationing there Frodo

Stellar work that to describe a feature of our Socialist Medicare as rationing

[Frodo]

Well, the fact that our government wouldn't accept the 500,000 tests offered to us by China seems a bit dumb now doesn't it.

Also, that couple who got missed is two out of 28,500 negative tests in NSW so far.

Not good, but in the grand scheme of things and with the load on doctors right now. A few being missed are expected right now. Once this idiot government bites the bullet and gets enough tests, which are available overseas, here we will be able to get dedicated testing centres up and running. That will speed things up and take load off of hospitals and GPs.

[Skirt Boy]

Best thing ever.

Having a 25 year smoking habit and a smokers cough. :D

[pv4]

It makes perfect sense. A bit like mammograms for women under 25 years old. Great idea if they have a family history and so on but a complete waste of finite resources if they don't. [Horrible situation obviously for some].

Science / medicine really just comes down to probabilities [and I know Doctors don't like to admit this] and they have to manage resources accordingly.

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense.

Frodo said if you have symptoms you get tested, but that isn't an option for all currently which he/she asked for proof of and I was just giving one example.

A neighbour had a cough and sore throat, but no temperature, so her GP told her not to get tested.

Meanwhile us "healthy" peoole have to somehow ignore the fear and panic, and accept these refused test illnesses back into our work/social life. Or isolate ourselves, and deal with whatever consequences particularly work wise that deals us.

[MFKS]

Best thing ever.

Having a 25 year smoking habit and a smokers cough. :D

People run away from you??

[Frodo]

To be honest, limited tests in Aus was news to me as everyone else seems to have plenty (bar the states) and I assumed we weren't stupid enough to turn down the tests offered to us.

Obviously Scomo can't get his head around how serious this thing is. Probably still wondering why he can't go see his Sharkies and what not.

[MFKS]

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense.

Frodo said if you have symptoms you get tested, but that isn't an option for all currently which he/she asked for proof of and I was just giving one example.

A neighbour had a cough and sore throat, but no temperature, so her GP told her not to get tested.

Meanwhile us "healthy" peoole have to somehow ignore the fear and panic, and accept these refused test illnesses back into our work/social life. Or isolate ourselves, and deal with whatever consequences particularly work wise that deals us.

But simple question though

How worried are you about catching this thing yourself??

Not talking about people you know but just you



Me I went overseas in February and ****s had the face masks and shit on the plane and were panicking big time

Didnt bat an eyelid me whilst I was travelling whilst I was there or when I came home

Even now I don't give a flying **** about actually catching it

You get it you get it
God has a plan etc

[Frodo]

How good is it that Crown and others are exempt from the lockdown on public gatherings? I mean, you can't get sick at the blackjack tables can you?

[Bremsstrahlung]

You can gamble your health now too.

[MFKS]

You can gamble your health now too.

The bizarre thing is restaurants, shopping malls etc are deserted and noticeably effected by this fear of Corona

The logic though tends to fall apart when the same dumb ****s will queue up outside supermarkets before they open and will then charge around a packed supermarket and get trapped in long queues at the check out

The stupidity and ****ed logic there is baffling

[pv4]

Mfkfc I just need you to take a step back for a second and realise you went from this:


I don't see anyone afraid to not go anywhere yet.

Every man and his dog is happy to risk life and limb to go to the Shopping mall

To this:


The bizarre thing is restaurants, shopping malls etc are deserted and noticeably effected by this fear of Corona

In one single day

[380]

To be honest, limited tests in Aus was news to me as everyone else seems to have plenty (bar the states) and I assumed we weren't stupid enough to turn down the tests offered to us.

Obviously Scomo can't get his head around how serious this thing is. Probably still wondering why he can't go see his Sharkies and what not.


Don't be sorry for us having to set you straight , Stanny is very much enjoying the break.

[MFKS]

Mfkfc I just need you to take a step back for a second and realise you went from this:



To this:



In one single day

Went to the mall today

My mind is changed

There was no ****s there it was a ghost town
Supermarket on the other hand

[baldrick]

To be honest, limited tests in Aus was news to me as everyone else seems to have plenty (bar the states) and I assumed we weren't stupid enough to turn down the tests offered to us.

Obviously Scomo can't get his head around how serious this thing is. Probably still wondering why he can't go see his Sharkies and what not.


Limited testing kits is only part it; there are only a handful of pathology labs who can process them

So if we test everyone, there will then be a delay in getting the results.

Sure, most of them will be negative (hopefully) but if you have it you wont know for days & possibly delay any treatment -and you could be infecting others too

[Frodo]

As of 2 days ago we were testing the 3rd most people in relation to population size. Behind only Bahrain and South Korea.

Some reports say that there are shortages of tests, others that there is a shortage of pathology centres, but I've also read reports that there are plenty of kits available worldwide as well as reports that we need to be doing more testing as we have enough pathology facilities to process more tests right now. So I don't think we are getting to correct info on that right now.

The fact that we are testing at a rate similar to nations that had positive results controlling the virus, other than patient 31 in South Korea but that wasn't the doctors fault just some idiot that couldn't stop himself going to church, is a good thing. That's what I thought was happening. Closed borders, testing as many people as possible and then struct quarantine rules is the only way to stop the spread.

They do however need to get rid of the "come into contact" part of the criteria tho. It's spread too wide now to properly track in real time. If you have the symptoms, do the test. We should be testing 5000-10000 people a day if we want to get this thing sorted quick.

And if people break quarantine and infect others, we should do what Italy is doing with that idiot who went in for his rhinoplasty after being told he had the virus. They have sentenced him to jail for up to 9 years. But not what North Korea is doing...that went from 2 known cases to none after two loud bangs were heard!

[MFKS]

As of 2 days ago we were testing the 3rd most people in relation to population size. Behind only Bahrain and South Korea.

Some reports say that there are shortages of tests, others that there is a shortage of pathology centres, but I've also read reports that there are plenty of kits available worldwide as well as reports that we need to be doing more testing as we have enough pathology facilities to process more tests right now. So I don't think we are getting to correct info on that right now.

The fact that we are testing at a rate similar to nations that had positive results controlling the virus, other than patient 31 in South Korea but that wasn't the doctors fault just some idiot that couldn't stop himself going to church, is a good thing. That's what I thought was happening. Closed borders, testing as many people as possible and then struct quarantine rules is the only way to stop the spread.

They do however need to get rid of the "come into contact" part of the criteria tho. It's spread too wide now to properly track in real time. If you have the symptoms, do the test. We should be testing 5000-10000 people a day if we want to get this thing sorted quick.

And if people break quarantine and infect others, we should do what Italy is doing with that idiot who went in for his rhinoplasty after being told he had the virus. They have sentenced him to jail for up to 9 years. But not what North Korea is doing...that went from 2 known cases to none after two loud bangs were heard!

To be perfectly fair to the North Koreans that strategy is effective

Closed borders
No immigrants
No Tourists

Anyone effected kill as per their Communist ways

It may not be nice but it is their way and pretty effective at closing the case

[Frodo]

To be perfectly fair to the North Koreans that strategy is effective

Closed borders
No immigrants
No Tourists

Anyone effected kill as per their Communist ways

It may not be nice but it is their way and pretty effective at closing the case

Didn't you decry the Italian doctors having to chose which patients would receive treatment a few days ago as unfair? Yet now you're all for a communist nation murdering it's people?

It's almost as if you're completely full of BS! Who would have thought it...


...



It's me, I would have thought it.

[The Dunster]

Communism isn't the issue in North Korea. The issue is a despot running the country.

[MFKS]

Didn't you decry the Italian doctors having to chose which patients would receive treatment a few days ago as unfair? Yet now you're all for a communist nation murdering it's people?

It's almost as if you're completely full of BS! Who would have thought it...


...



It's me, I would have thought it.

But you are the one complaining about North Korea
You are the one defending Italians Euthanising the elderly

Maybe you may want to get some consistency on your stance??

If you are supporting the Euthanising of the old in Italy then you also should be in full support of the North Korean way

[Frodo]

But you are the one complaining about North Korea
You are the one defending Italians Euthanising the elderly

Maybe you may want to get some consistency on your stance??

If you are supporting the Euthanising of the old in Italy then you also should be in full support of the North Korean way

Wha?? You're too scared to own up to your own hypocrisy?? So you just make things up and deflect back to me? I don't believe. I mean, this is a first isn't it, haha.

There are clear posts in this which show your posts, as I described above, but instead of trying to explain your position you blatantly lie about doctors euthanising patients in Italy. Unless you don't know the difference between assisted suicide and lack of resources caused by disgustingly poor governing by the Italian officials. Which, I'll be honest, I wouldn't be surprised given some of the crazy that comes out of your keyboard these days.

Or do you think that North Korea actually "killed those people" because they don't have enough beds in hospitals like the Italians? The quotation marks are because it's most likely a lie that Korea killed anyone with the virus, because you know... it's the internet??

[MFKS]

Wha?? You're too scared to own up to your own hypocrisy?? So you just make things up and deflect back to me? I don't believe. I mean, this is a first isn't it, haha.

There are clear posts in this which show your posts, as I described above, but instead of trying to explain your position you blatantly lie about doctors euthanising patients in Italy. Unless you don't know the difference between assisted suicide and lack of resources caused by disgustingly poor governing by the Italian officials. Which, I'll be honest, I wouldn't be surprised given some of the crazy that comes out of your keyboard these days.

Or do you think that North Korea actually "killed those people" because they don't have enough beds in hospitals like the Italians? The quotation marks are because it's most likely a lie that Korea killed anyone with the virus, because you know... it's the internet??

My hypocrisy??

You are the one defending socialist medicine and saying that it is best to not waste resources on the elderly when resources are limited

Yes I used the words euthanised but leaving them to die in the callous manner the Italians are doing is nothing short of Euthanising the elderly

Being that the reason these people are being left to die ties back to your defence of Socialist Health Care and it's limitations you need to own it
Every system has pros and cons and this is a Con for Socialist Health Care

I really have NFI what the North Koreans did as I have **** all idea about that place

I would think you would actually be upset that the locals had no faith in their socialist health care system to treat the North Koreans that they thought it would be easier and more efficient to euthanize them with lead to the head

[Skirt Boy]

An example of the effect on small business

Tomorrow we were supposed to be shooting a number of pole dancing (fitness) people. I think it was around 15 or so............

It's now 4.......

Basically we went from securing enough money for 27 weeks of rent to about 4.

[Bon]

Keynesian economic theory as applied to private sector independent contracting..
Best title ever.. hahahahaha

Warning: swearing and unsavory talk..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT1AHDjzcsQ

[The Dunster]

Funny but not a lot of truth in the economic references. His entire knowledge base appears to come from "Freedom and Capitalism"by Milton Friedman. And that book is pretty much a work of fiction when it comes to how the monetary system and the macroeconomy operate.

[finzee]

Funny but not a lot of truth in the economic references. His entire knowledge base appears to come from "Freedom and Capitalism"by Milton Friedman. And that book is pretty much a work of fiction when it comes to how the monetary system and the macroeconomy operate.

Ok Dunst. Youre up on economics.

Give us a quick run down on what we can expect for groceries prices and supply, energy supply, house prices, shares (for super), transport goods and presonal, employment, depression occurring... go go go

[The Dunster]

Ok Dunst. Youre up on economics.

Give us a quick run down on what we can expect for groceries prices and supply, energy supply, house prices, shares (for super), transport goods and presonal, employment, depression occurring... go go go

42.

[baldrick]

42.

:lol:

[MFKS]

Can we all be given an injection of Corona we all spend 2 weeks at home hardening the **** up and then in 2 weeks we emerge and get on with life??

It got to be a much easier strategy than the current method

[baldrick]

Problem is mate, if everyone gets it

Some of us won’t come back

[MFKS]

Problem is mate, if everyone gets it

Some of us won’t come back

I happy to take my chances on it


The whole thing is ****ed

I still got to go to work getting increased exposure to infection as I got to deal with the ****ing public who can't help but not stay away

Got the government taking away everything from us so i cant do anything when i not at work

Then I got the government giving hand outs every where to every Tom Dick n Harry even giving hand outs to dole bludging parasites n big business who make millions a year and the cunce ain't giving me shit despite the fact I still got to pay taxes

I ain't seeing many positives in my life at the moment of this predicament

[MFKS]

Frodo interesting to note the USA have hit the front in the amount of diagnosed cases of Corona

Might have something to do with the health service that they are best able to provide medical supplies so the appropriate testing can be done

Meanwhile in Socialist medicine countries those who want a test can't get one STILL

Forza Communist medicine

[The Dunster]

Frodo interesting to note the USA have hit the front in the amount of diagnosed cases of Corona

Might have something to do with the health service that they are best able to provide medical supplies so the appropriate testing can be done

Meanwhile in Socialist medicine countries those who want a test can't get one STILL

Forza Communist medicine

924,107 staffed beds in the US hospital system
792,417 of those beds are in the Public system.

Total admissions in all US Hospitals is 36,353,946
Of the total admissions in US Hospitals 34,251,159 are in the public system

Conclusion: The private system is very small and would not cope without the public system taking on the lions share of admissions.

[The Dunster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=bE68xVXf8Kw&feature=emb_logo

Note the person in this video is only an Emergency Doctor working in a New York hospital. So don't expect her to have the knowledge that MFKS has about the dire state of the US hospital system under this crisis.

[Frodo]

Frodo interesting to note the USA have hit the front in the amount of diagnosed cases of Corona

Might have something to do with the health service that they are best able to provide medical supplies so the appropriate testing can be done

Meanwhile in Socialist medicine countries those who want a test can't get one STILL

Forza Communist medicine

The US has completed 579,589 tests as of yesterday, which is 1766 tests per 1 million people.

Australia had completed 190,926 which is 7442 tests per million people.


So, yeah Australia is definitely winning that race by a country mile. We have like the 3rd best rate of testing per person in the world.

Now, which country has better control of the rate of infection right now is a more important question? And who is closer to their maximum capacity of hospital beds now as well?

I read that NYC emergency services received more 911 calls yesterday then on September 11! That's fairly scary.

[MFKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=bE68xVXf8Kw&feature=emb_logo

Note the person in this video is only an Emergency Doctor working in a New York hospital. So don't expect her to have the knowledge that MFKS has about the dire state of the US hospital system under this crisis.

New York has a total of 39000 cases of the total 85000 Case load in the USA

May want to look at exactly what the leftists ****wits are doing there because the other 49 states don't have anywhere near the problems that these leftists do

[MFKS]

The US has completed 579,589 tests as of yesterday, which is 1766 tests per 1 million people.

Australia had completed 190,926 which is 7442 tests per million people.


So, yeah Australia is definitely winning that race by a country mile. We have like the 3rd best rate of testing per person in the world.

Now, which country has better control of the rate of infection right now is a more important question? And who is closer to their maximum capacity of hospital beds now as well?

I read that NYC emergency services received more 911 calls yesterday then on September 11! That's fairly scary.

Spain Framce Italy UK all have universal health care

All are still burying people at rapider rates than the USA

[Frodo]

New York has a total of 39000 cases of the total 85000 Case load in the USA

May want to look at exactly what the leftists ****wits are doing there because the other 49 states don't have anywhere near the problems that these leftists do

You are the Simone Biles of mental gymnastics member. New York is the most densely populated city in the US, of course it was the first to lose control of the virus.

The US people spent the first few days of the preparation stocking up on bullets and they have a president telling them to not worry about isolation rules, to keep going out and spending money and that everything will be better in 2 weeks time once a few of your grandparents have died off to save people's portfolios taking a big hit. Unfortunately it's going to get a lot worse over there before it gets better and it won't matter what colour your state voted. I would absolutely love to be wrong and you be correct and the US to absolutely smash this virus and get things under control quick, cause that would save 1000s of lives. But there's nothing coming out of there that is even remotely positive in regards to control over spread or hospitals being prepared to deal with the influx of patients.

At the moment, I have nothing bad to say about Scomo because I can clearly see how much worse things can get compared to where we are right now.

[Skirt Boy]

At the moment, I have nothing bad to say about Scomo because I can clearly see how much worse things can get compared to where we are right now.

Oh I can. He ****ed up and he ****ed up big time.


Borders should have been shut from the get go and those coming into Australia sent to quarantine. No iffs, no butts.
Instead of tax concessions a Universal Basic Income should have been implemented straight away equal to 80% of the average medium income.
Energy, telecommunications, land rates, loans, rents placed on hibernation
Complete lockdown other than for health, emergency services, fuel and food supply



Instead we get an approach where every single measure isn't actually due to begin until..................this could blow over. He was so fixated with a budget surplus that he has totally ****ed the joint.

I have to pay two ****ing rents without work. I had to let an employee go.

[StannyCFCJET]

Oh I can. He ****ed up and he ****ed up big time.


Borders should have been shut from the get go and those coming into Australia sent to quarantine. No iffs, no butts.
Instead of tax concessions a Universal Basic Income should have been implemented straight away equal to 80% of the average medium income.
Energy, telecommunications, land rates, loans, rents placed on hibernation
Complete lockdown other than for health, emergency services, fuel and food supply



Instead we get an approach where every single measure isn't actually due to begin until..................this could blow over. He was so fixated with a budget surplus that he has totally ****ed the joint.

I have to pay two ****ing rents without work. I had to let an employee go.

That wouldnt allow him to attend Sharks games and hill song conferences now would it?

[MFKS]

Oh I can. He ****ed up and he ****ed up big time.


Borders should have been shut from the get go and those coming into Australia sent to quarantine. No iffs, no butts.
Instead of tax concessions a Universal Basic Income should have been implemented straight away equal to 80% of the average medium income.
Energy, telecommunications, land rates, loans, rents placed on hibernation
Complete lockdown other than for health, emergency services, fuel and food supply



Instead we get an approach where every single measure isn't actually due to begin until..................this could blow over. He was so fixated with a budget surplus that he has totally ****ed the joint.

I have to pay two ****ing rents without work. I had to let an employee go.

We up to 13 have died with the vast majority senior citizens with existing health conditions

You could make a case he has over reacted with any of his efforts period


Basically all he has done is close everything down so the Socialist health system doesn't collapse

Wouldn't want the doctors making decisions on who to euthanize would we??

[MFKS]

You are the Simone Biles of mental gymnastics member. New York is the most densely populated city in the US, of course it was the first to lose control of the virus.

The US people spent the first few days of the preparation stocking up on bullets and they have a president telling them to not worry about isolation rules, to keep going out and spending money and that everything will be better in 2 weeks time once a few of your grandparents have died off to save people's portfolios taking a big hit. Unfortunately it's going to get a lot worse over there before it gets better and it won't matter what colour your state voted. I would absolutely love to be wrong and you be correct and the US to absolutely smash this virus and get things under control quick, cause that would save 1000s of lives. But there's nothing coming out of there that is even remotely positive in regards to control over spread or hospitals being prepared to deal with the influx of patients.

At the moment, I have nothing bad to say about Scomo because I can clearly see how much worse things can get compared to where we are right now.

Mental gymnastics like your claim that New York is densely populated so that is why it is so heavily affected

Well Seoul and Tokyo are more densely populated and they don't have anywhere near the rate the Big Apple has

Also the Governor of New York a leftist fool in Cuomo was on March 17 asking why people were panicking and then said that people would never be locked in their homes etc

Then to flip 72 hours later and order a lockdown

New York is in the shit due to poor management at a local level no other reason

[Frodo]

Mental gymnastics like your claim that New York is densely populated so that is why it is so heavily affected

I mean, this is simple logic. The virus is spread via direct contact, of course it would spread quicker in a more densely populated city. If you can't work this one out, find a high schooler and ask them to explain how viruses spread.


Well Seoul and Tokyo are more densely populated and they don't have anywhere near the rate the Big Apple has

Both those cities were well prepared because of the original SARS outbreak in 2003, I think that's the correct year but you know which one I'm talking about. Both cities/countries have done extremely well and their examples, especially Singapore, should have been followed by every other nation as soon as it became clear that they had control of the spread in a short time span. Although, South Korea is bracing for a resurgence and Tokyo is having trouble keeping idiots away from the cherry blossoms which has caused another spike in cases. So hopefully they get that back under control soon.


Also the Governor of New York a leftist fool in Cuomo was on March 17 asking why people were panicking and then said that people would never be locked in their homes etc

Then to flip 72 hours later and order a lockdown

New York is in the shit due to poor management at a local level no other reason

Cuomo could be a terrible leader, no idea, but all sides of politics in the US right now are more worried about what they can get out this than actually saving lives. The US turned down tests because they wanted to wait for US owned ('cough' Jared Kushner owned) companies to copy the design and make a profit. They are arguing over the price right now of Ventilators. State leaders are getting into Twitter arguments with Trump instead of getting the equipment/funding they need to try and fix their underprepared hospitals.

Cause 'Murica Y'all!

[pv4]

Honestly I haven't read thru all of MFKFCs posts about the USA here but I'll share a story and feel free to make your own judgements or throw your head into the sand based around it.

I know two Aussies permanently living in New York. One of them is in the at risk category for Coronavirus as his immune system is destroyed from being a cancer recovered person. These two Aussies both got all symptoms of Coronavirus and were super sick. They could NOT get tested, they just were not allowed. In New York they are ONLY testing people that are quite literally on deaths door, and they are openly saying this for people that have every symptom and asking to be tested. These Aussies have no doubts they had the virus, and have recovered now, but they'll never know and never go onto the proper figures. They've also kept track of all of the Australian media releases, reports, figures, etc and their judgement is USA are in "50 times worse a state currently".

From this I conclude USA numbers are horrendously higher than being reported. Also before this I believed Australia were not testing enough, and possibly that is still true but it is nowhere near as bad comparatively to other nations.

[MFKS]

Anyone looked into ID2020??

[Bremsstrahlung]

I’m curious to see how NZ come out of all of this.
Ardern has acted promptly and swiftly in all the matters facing her country and is making some really sensible decisions.
In some ways, a lesser scale version of Australia in the sense that the only way to get there is via air or ship, can’t just drive over there.
Curious how their infections progress.

[Skirt Boy]

I’m curious to see how NZ come out of all of this.
Ardern has acted promptly and swiftly in all the matters facing her country and is making some really sensible decisions.
In some ways, a lesser scale version of Australia in the sense that the only way to get there is via air or ship, can’t just drive over there.
Curious how their infections progress.

Different systems of government.

Australia's response is hampered because we have states with considerable constitutional power both in writing and by convention. Hence states closing internal borders. We also have government departments at both levels with a large overlap.

New Zealand also has a unicameral parliament and no states. Australia has a bicameral parliament with states who also have bicameral parliaments (Queensland excepted)

When this is over you will find the federal government becomes significantly weaker due to poor leadership and the states playing a larger and larger role.

[The Dunster]

Honestly I haven't read thru all of MFKFCs posts about the USA here but I'll share a story and feel free to make your own judgements or throw your head into the sand based around it.

I know two Aussies permanently living in New York. One of them is in the at risk category for Coronavirus as his immune system is destroyed from being a cancer recovered person. These two Aussies both got all symptoms of Coronavirus and were super sick. They could NOT get tested, they just were not allowed. In New York they are ONLY testing people that are quite literally on deaths door, and they are openly saying this for people that have every symptom and asking to be tested. These Aussies have no doubts they had the virus, and have recovered now, but they'll never know and never go onto the proper figures. They've also kept track of all of the Australian media releases, reports, figures, etc and their judgement is USA are in "50 times worse a state currently".

From this I conclude USA numbers are horrendously higher than being reported. Also before this I believed Australia were not testing enough, and possibly that is still true but it is nowhere near as bad comparatively to other nations.

Good post PV4. The data I have seen suggests the recovery to to deaths rate of people infected in the USA is at best around 50%.
At first I thought that seemed wrong- but after reading your post it makes sense - only the worst cases were included.

[The Dunster]

Anyone looked into ID2020??

Yes. It's basically something Adolph Hitler would endorse.
We should blow the world up if that sort of shit becomes mainstream / acceptable.

[MFKS]

Yes. It's basically something Adolph Hitler would endorse.
We should blow the world up if that sort of shit becomes mainstream / acceptable.

Who though is backing it is the bigger question ??

One of the key individuals involved in it is also the largest donor to the WHO

Yep the World Health Organisation the same idiots pumping air into the tyres of this Corona BS and creating this fear around the world

Far too many coincidences there

[The Dunster]

Who though is backing it is the bigger question ??

One of the key individuals involved in it is also the largest donor to the WHO

Yep the World Health Organisation the same idiots pumping air into the tyres of this Corona BS and creating this fear around the world

Far too many coincidences there

Agreed.

[Skirt Boy]

How many weeks to you give it before people have had enough of all the restrictions?

[MFKS]

How many weeks to you give it before people have had enough of all the restrictions?

Go to the Shopping Mall now and 60 to 70% of people there are 50 plus

The same dumb ****s we are trying to protect with all these sacrifices are not staying home


I give it another 2 weeks before it all falls apart that is assuming a full lock down isn't deployed before then


Reality is that 8 days into this shit and we up to a total of 16 deaths

All of them old people and a vast majority of existing conditions

The whole thing is a rort

This ain't no pandemic and some serious questions need to be asked if we have over reacted

[The Dunster]

https://cdn.onebauer.media/one/empire-tmdb/films/694/images/h4DcDCOkQBENWBJZjNlPv3adQfM.jpg?quality=50&width=1800&ratio=16-9&resizeStyle=aspectfill&format=jpg

Couples at home together 24/7 - what could go wrong ?

[pv4]

How many weeks to you give it before people have had enough of all the restrictions?

I know a disturbingly high amount of people that have seen the rate has dropped a few days in a row, the prime minister congratulated us all on our efforts, and assumed it was cool to go back to normal based off just that. Weeks? More like days.

[MFKS]

Event 201

https://youtu.be/AoLw-Q8X174
I assume the test drill worked well enough they would implement it for real

[MFKS]

Good to see the Government have empowered the Police to fine and lock up citizens for leaving their houses

Be nice if they actually also be made to do some work like actually locking up some actual criminals for a change but I suppose that be too much to ask


Joy of joys it is to be embracing life under a fascist Government who create BS laws to take away our freedoms for little reason

[Macca]

Good to see the Government have empowered the Police to fine and lock up citizens for leaving their houses

Be nice if they actually also be made to do some work like actually locking up some actual criminals for a change but I suppose that be too much to ask


Joy of joys it is to be embracing life under a fascist Government who create BS laws to take away our freedoms for little reason

Globally we'll be at 50k deaths by the end of the day, with that to continue to grow exponentially for at least a couple more weeks.
Or are the dead people also part of the hoax?
1678

[Frodo]

Good to see the Government have empowered the Police to fine and lock up citizens for leaving their houses

Be nice if they actually also be made to do some work like actually locking up some actual criminals for a change but I suppose that be too much to ask


Joy of joys it is to be embracing life under a fascist Government who create BS laws to take away our freedoms for little reason

Didn't you vote for them? Last I checked they were your men in charge allowing churches to keep dodging taxes and touching kids. Plus they definitely hate poor people as much as you.

I thought you were a true patriot member. Very disappointed.

[boz-monaut]

friendly warning that this forum will follow the lead of the big companies and ban anyone spreading misinformation about COVID19

if anyone is spouting bullshit, report the post and we'll ban them

[Skirt Boy]

So who's ready for 3 months?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-02/nsw-coronavirus-cases-stabilise-as-premier-praises-people/12112182

[MFKS]

friendly warning that this forum will follow the lead of the big companies and ban anyone spreading misinformation about COVID19

if anyone is spouting bullshit, report the post and we'll ban them

It is amazing that You Tube do recommended in their videos CNN and MSNBC and othet mainstream media who have umpteen examples of providing us with fake news

Hell CBS got caught the yesterday copying the footage from a UK media source of an Italian hospital and then tried palming it off as in New York

So are we not allowed to use the sources from any main stream media with their habitual behaviour of lying and framing news with an agenda??

[MFKS]

Didn't you vote for them? Last I checked they were your men in charge allowing churches to keep dodging taxes and touching kids. Plus they definitely hate poor people as much as you.

I thought you were a true patriot member. Very disappointed.

Lesser of two evils

Anything to keep the Leftist Labor party out is a good thing

[MFKS]

So who's ready for 3 months?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-02/nsw-coronavirus-cases-stabilise-as-premier-praises-people/12112182

You should be loving this though

It a 90 day trial of living in a communist state

[Skirt Boy]

You should be loving this though

It a 90 day trial of living in a communist state

Just a question. Have you ever lived in an ex Communist state?

I have. I've become good friends with those who were born when the Deutsche Demokratische Republik was a thing. Hell I even lived in one of those concrete boxes for 12 months.

I was at a BBQ one night and was speaking to a mates dad about life in the DDR and his exact words were life was a lot less regulated.

[MFKS]

Just a question. Have you ever lived in an ex Communist state?

I have. I've become good friends with those who were born when the Deutsche Demokratische Republik was a thing. Hell I even lived in one of those concrete boxes for 12 months.

I was at a BBQ one night and was speaking to a mates dad about life in the DDR and his exact words were life was a lot less regulated.

Less regulated because it is an authoritarian state that rules by force when it receives dissent

Sort of like NSW where the cops are now fining people for leaving home

[Frodo]

Less regulated because it is an authoritarian state that rules by force when it receives dissent

Sort of like NSW where the cops are now fining people for leaving home

No they aren't. Fox and Friends featuring the Membah this week is even worse than usual.

Explain the full story or jog on.

[MFKS]

No they aren't. Fox and Friends featuring the Membah this week is even worse than usual.

Explain the full story or jog on.

You leave home right now without a pre approved excuse then you are subject to being fined or gaoled

Can't go the beach
Can't go the gym

These liberties and freedoms have been removed by the Authoritarian government

[StannyCFCJET]

You leave home right now without a pre approved excuse then you are subject to being fined or gaoled

Can't go the beach
Can't go fishing

These liberties and freedoms have been removed by the Authoritarian government

Can go fishing and can go to the beach for a quick swim or walk/jog. Just cant hang around. Do you always leave out facts to suit your agenda? Answer is yes

[MFKS]

Can go fishing and can go to the beach for a quick swim or walk/jog. Just cant hang around. Do you always leave out facts to suit your agenda? Answer is yes

You should not have to answer to anyone on where you go at anytime nor be subject to fines or restrictions from the Authoritarian state on a power and control grab

This is not a Communist country after all

[boz-monaut]

I'm sorry, was that misinformation there about being fined for fishing?

provide evidence, remove the post or receive a ban

[The Dunster]

Police interpretations of the rules are all over the place. Quite a few people riding motorcycles are getting pulled over by police and being told to go directly home unless they are on their way to work or to get essential groceries.

Yet, there's nothing official against it and some states are even allowing motorcycling as exercise.

Obviously it's a very stressful time for police and they seem to be creating their own rules to make things a little easier for themselves.

I'm just leaving the bike at home now not because I fear any fine but because I don't want some fat piece of shit cop giving me the virus.

[Frodo]

Police interpretations of the rules are all over the place. Quite a few people riding motorcycles are getting pulled over by police and being told to go directly home unless they are on their way to work or to get essential groceries.

Yet, there's nothing official against it and some states are even allowing motorcycling as exercise.

Obviously it's a very stressful time for police and they seem to be creating their own rules to make things a little easier for themselves.

I'm just leaving the bike at home now not because I fear any fine but because I don't want some fat piece of shit cop giving me the virus.

Sorry to be this guy Dunster. But I don't think the cops would only pull over a bike to talk about where they are going. It sounds more likely that they were riding like/or looked like a hoon. I haven't had any cops pull me over yet and I don't expect any to either.

You are by yourself and it's near impossible to prove you weren't out buying something essential. No cop is going to waste his time pulling over every bike and ask them where they are heading without having another reason.

[Frodo]

You should not have to answer to anyone on where you go at anytime nor be subject to fines or restrictions from the Authoritarian state on a power and control grab

This is not a Communist country after all


Honestly, if you think what's happening is much different from regular day life you really need to wake up. You can already be pulled over by a cop at any time and questioned on what you are doing and why?

The fines are for people repeatedly flaunting the new regulations and as far as I'm aware has only been used to lock up the guy who was caught 3 times out of his house when he knew he had the virus and was told to self isolate for 2 weeks.

Which, I'm happy someone that arrogant and stupid is being thrown in jail. Give him 12 months to learn about how his actions affect other people and hopefully he comes back a better person.

[The Dunster]

Sorry to be this guy Dunster. But I don't think the cops would only pull over a bike to talk about where they are going. It sounds more likely that they were riding like/or looked like a hoon. I haven't had any cops pull me over yet and I don't expect any to either.

You are by yourself and it's near impossible to prove you weren't out buying something essential. No cop is going to waste his time pulling over every bike and ask them where they are heading without having another reason.

You are wrong here. If police think you are riding like a hoon they will simply book you not give you a warning. The instances I refer to with friends and acquaintances being pulled over or approached are clearly cases of police wanting to know why they are out and about.

[Frodo]

You are wrong here. If police think you are riding like a hoon they will simply book you not give you a warning. The instances I refer to with friends and acquaintances being pulled over or approached are clearly cases of police wanting to know why they are out and about.

In Newcastle or Sydney? I guess I'll have to believe you on this, but I'm struggling to think of a single police officer I've ever met pulling a bike over just to ask where they are going, knowing full well that they can't prove them wrong no matter what they say?

Remember, the rules state that you can be out if you are shopping for essentials and that includes anything that you consume or is needed to keep your household or workplace going. So, you could say that you need almost anything from a shop without being wrong.

[MFKS]

Honestly, if you think what's happening is much different from regular day life you really need to wake up. You can already be pulled over by a cop at any time and questioned on what you are doing and why?

The fines are for people repeatedly flaunting the new regulations and as far as I'm aware has only been used to lock up the guy who was caught 3 times out of his house when he knew he had the virus and was told to self isolate for 2 weeks.

Which, I'm happy someone that arrogant and stupid is being thrown in jail. Give him 12 months to learn about how his actions affect other people and hopefully he comes back a better person.

It amazing how you leftists are quite happy to sacrifice your freedoms for your fear

We have a mass epidemic of 20 something senior citizens falling off the perch in the space of 3 weeks or so and you are happy to sign every one up to live in your Police state

Quite evident at times like this the left is not really about personal freedom

Power and being controlled by others is your favoured choice

[The Dunster]

In Newcastle or Sydney? I guess I'll have to believe you on this, but I'm struggling to think of a single police officer I've ever met pulling a bike over just to ask where they are going, knowing full well that they can't prove them wrong no matter what they say?

Remember, the rules state that you can be out if you are shopping for essentials and that includes anything that you consume or is needed to keep your household or workplace going. So, you could say that you need almost anything from a shop without being wrong.

You can also be out for exercise and that's where things get complicated. For a lot of people motorcycle riding is exercise as much as it is therapeutic for their mental health.

[Frodo]

It amazing how you leftists are quite happy to sacrifice your freedoms for your fear

We have a mass epidemic of 20 something senior citizens falling off the perch in the space of 3 weeks or so and you are happy to sign every one up to live in your Police state

Quite evident at times like this the left is not really about personal freedom

Power and being controlled by others is your favoured choice

Again you missed the point and just went on another boomerish rant.

From what I can see, this is not far removed from the rules we already had albeit a bit more enforcement. If you think we have lived in magical freedom land until just last week then so be it. But you aren't being oppressed, you're just using this as an excuse to yell at the sky about how the world is too harsh for your liking.

Toughen up snowflake.

[MFKS]

Again you missed the point and just went on another boomerish rant.

From what I can see, this is not far removed from the rules we already had albeit a bit more enforcement. If you think we have lived in magical freedom land until just last week then so be it. But you aren't being oppressed, you're just using this as an excuse to yell at the sky about how the world is too harsh for your liking.

Toughen up snowflake.

Of course I am being oppressed

I am not allowed out of the country
I am not allowed to go the gym
I am not allowed to go the cinema

I happy to go out and take my chances with the Chinese Flu

I am being oppressed by weak willed politicians and snowflakes who are afraid of catching a cold and their own mortality

I ain't afraid of death as I believe in God

Maybe the snowflakes worried about their mortality due to the Chinese Flu need to embrace God Buddha Mohammad or someone

Their lack of religious belief being adjusted may be of use to them

[Bremsstrahlung]

Thankfully stupid isn’t as transmittable as Covid or we’d be in some trouble. Self isolation coming up.

If you’d prefer to be burying 563 people today like in the UK, 837 in Italy, 900 in the USA then I’m not sure what I can do for you. What happened to loving one another, treating others as you wish to be treated, or do you just turn up to the holy gates and expect to get in?

There’s the trajectory of Europe, UK, USA or there’s the trajectory of Singapore and Japan and other countries that have prepared their health systems post SARS. Isolation and lockdowns are the way to manage this at this point in time.

[380]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6708162/you-are-safer-outside-than-inside-disease-expert-criticises-restrictions/?cs=17267

I am on this blokes side.

[Skirt Boy]

Skirt Boy's totally unproven, unscientific proposal to stop Covid-19


Full and utterly complete shutdown for 3 weeks.
After 3 weeks gradual reopening of business
Mandatory weekly testing. Positive tests result in a mandatory two week quarintine
A $750 weekly payment through medicare for everyone irrespective of income, current benifits
Rent and mortgage holiday for 6 months
Compensation payment of $25,000 in recognition that the government ****ed up big time
All current government executives to be hanged and displayed on pikes on Sydney Harbour Bridge
All international travellers whether Australian or foriegn held in quarintine until a negative test result

[Bremsstrahlung]

Another problem is the incubation time.
A person on the cruise ship tested negative when tested. Developed symptoms days later and tested positive after self isolating

[MFKS]

Skirt Boy's totally unproven, unscientific proposal to stop Covid-19


Full and utterly complete shutdown for 3 weeks.
After 3 weeks gradual reopening of business
Mandatory weekly testing. Positive tests result in a mandatory two week quarintine
A $750 weekly payment through medicare for everyone irrespective of income, current benifits
Rent and mortgage holiday for 6 months
Compensation payment of $25,000 in recognition that the government ****ed up big time
All current government executives to be hanged and displayed on pikes on Sydney Harbour Bridge
All international travellers whether Australian or foriegn held in quarintine until a negative test result



Free money given to the people

That was a nailed on certainty that you would expect a hand out

Though Skirt boy I don't think you will make it far in Leftist politics as your peers would have asked for more than you have here



As for the Government ****ing things up their **** ups are after they started to act
Things were going fine until they actually got involved. Since they put there noses in it been an unmitigated disaster

3 weeks into it and we only now past the point of testing 1% of the total population
Incompetent ****s can't even organise adequate testing supplies



As for your mandatory testing how authoritarian that you insist the public be forcibly examined on a weekly basis for a condition that is taking out 70 year olds and up with existing conditions. Seems like an over reaction on your part there to harass the entire nation

[Frodo]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6708162/you-are-safer-outside-than-inside-disease-expert-criticises-restrictions/?cs=17267

I am on this blokes side.

The crux of his point is the 2m distancing. And you can't trust people to follow this very simple rule, hence why they shut everything down.

We made changes at work where there could only be 8 people in the lunchroom at any time. Great, nice and simple to follow. But the idiots count to 8 and then sit side by side at the tables anyway. Defeating the entire purpose. They even moved tables closer together just to prove how stupid they really are.

Give the beaches and parks a month or two off. The wildlife could use the holiday anyways after the summer we had.

[Macca]

Of course I am being oppressed

I am not allowed out of the country
I am not allowed to go the gym
I am not allowed to go the cinema

I happy to go out and take my chances with the Chinese Flu

I am being oppressed by weak willed politicians and snowflakes who are afraid of catching a cold and their own mortality

I ain't afraid of death as I believe in God

Maybe the snowflakes worried about their mortality due to the Chinese Flu need to embrace God Buddha Mohammad or someone

Their lack of religious belief being adjusted may be of use to them

If your decision only affected you then there would be no problem.
It's the same logic we apply to vaccines. Oh, mass vaccination is probably oppressive and a blight on civil liberties too.

The fact you can't look over to your holy land of guns and see what happened when they applied your philosophy and realise it's not the best course of action is quite funny. The evidence is right before you. There are literally example countries you can use to see what we would look like in a couple of weeks if we follow in their footsteps.

[Frodo]

All the anti-vaxxers have hopefully gone real quiet of late. What's happening right now is a world without 1 single vaccine, imagine if we didn't have vaccines for all the other diseases as well.

[pv4]

All the anti-vaxxers have hopefully gone real quiet of late. What's happening right now is a world without 1 single vaccine, imagine if we didn't have vaccines for all the other diseases as well.

https://i.imgur.com/LSi4Ckv.png

[pv4]

The crux of his point is the 2m distancing. And you can't trust people to follow this very simple rule, hence why they shut everything down.

Agreed. You only have to see that video of Merewether Beach last weekend. No one was technically breaking rules, they were distanced (or family members together) and in small packs. But the sum of the parts meant the beach was packed. Society has proven several times during this pandemic that we are collectively fools - seeing the toilet paper shelves at shops is the easiest example of this. Blanket rules and lockdowns are the only way to stop the general idiocy from, you guessed it, being idiots. Common sense isn't very common.

[MFKS]

If your decision only affected you then there would be no problem.
It's the same logic we apply to vaccines. Oh, mass vaccination is probably oppressive and a blight on civil liberties too.

The fact you can't look over to your holy land of guns and see what happened when they applied your philosophy and realise it's not the best course of action is quite funny. The evidence is right before you. There are literally example countries you can use to see what we would look like in a couple of weeks if we follow in their footsteps.

I don't though believe that this isn't being exploited by the US right now

They been itching for a fight with China for a while now

All the propoganda coming out right now anti China is just rallying people around support of the USA going head down at taking hard ball approach to China with policy that the people might generally query

Governments around the world are exploiting the shit out of this situation right now

The key is to look at who comes up on top out of this when it over and done with

USA are the no 1 manipulators and are just reasserting their position as top dog

[MFKS]

The crux of his point is the 2m distancing. And you can't trust people to follow this very simple rule, hence why they shut everything down.

We made changes at work where there could only be 8 people in the lunchroom at any time. Great, nice and simple to follow. But the idiots count to 8 and then sit side by side at the tables anyway. Defeating the entire purpose. They even moved tables closer together just to prove how stupid they really are.

Give the beaches and parks a month or two off. The wildlife could use the holiday anyways after the summer we had.


The hypocrisy of those panicking about this though is laughable

Guys who have went in raw on a female they barely know without batting an eyelid and the amount of women.who are easily convinced to **** without any protection amazing how they are happy to take that risk but are petrified of being somewhere near someone who MAY have the flu

The hypocrisy of the risk taking people have taken in their lives and then they are panicking about something taking out a small percentage of the population is mind blowing

[The Dunster]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/jobkeeper-loophole-could-leave-millions-of-employees-without-leave-entitlements-labor-warns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Looks like the JobKeeper legislation is just a payment to employers to cover a workers leave entitlements. The Employee uses up their leave entitlements, employer applies for jobkeeper payment and then uses that money to reimburse themselves what they paid in leave entitlements to the employee.

The Employee receives absolutely nothing they weren't already entitled to and has their annual leave exhausted in the process - lowering the costs of firing them substantially.

[MFKS]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/jobkeeper-loophole-could-leave-millions-of-employees-without-leave-entitlements-labor-warns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Looks like the JobKeeper legislation is just a payment to employers to cover a workers leave entitlements. The Employee uses up their leave entitlements, employer applies for jobkeeper payment and then uses that money to reimburse themselves what they paid in leave entitlements to the employee.

The Employee receives absolutely nothing they weren't already entitled to and has their annual leave exhausted in the process - lowering the costs of firing them substantially.

The stimulus package was not for rank n file people though

A few bribes thrown in here and there but the vast majority of it is Grand Theft with money being taken from the public purse and given to the top end of town

Big Businesses are getting the vast majority of hand outs for their poor business decisions and it being written up under this Corona nonsense

[Frodo]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/02/jobkeeper-loophole-could-leave-millions-of-employees-without-leave-entitlements-labor-warns?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Looks like the JobKeeper legislation is just a payment to employers to cover a workers leave entitlements. The Employee uses up their leave entitlements, employer applies for jobkeeper payment and then uses that money to reimburse themselves what they paid in leave entitlements to the employee.

The Employee receives absolutely nothing they weren't already entitled to and has their annual leave exhausted in the process - lowering the costs of firing them substantially.

Thankfully the legislation hasn't been written yet. So Labour can save everyone still.

[The Dunster]

Thankfully the legislation hasn't been written yet. So Labour can save everyone still.

It will be interesting to see what labour do as even though the legislation is a complete rort they won't want to be seen as blocking reforms which many [incorrectly] think are a great idea.

[MFKS]

Thankfully the legislation hasn't been written yet. So Labour can save everyone still.

Libs only need to get approval from 2 or 3 senators and Labor can't do shit you know

[StannyCFCJET]

Libs only need to get approval from 2 or 3 senators and Labor can't do shit you know

You explained how fishing is banned yet?

[The Dunster]

You explained how fishing is banned yet?

THe issue isn't the laws it's how police are interpreting those laws.
Police minister yesterday said Shopping at Ikea or other retailers was not essential. Yet Ikea are still open as are many other stores that sell non-essential [in the ministers eyes] items.
He then said, words to the effect that you have been warned and it's up to police discretion whether or not you get charged.

It's all policy on the run and pretty much anything you do now is a roll of the dice whether you get fined or not.

Fishing is no different in that it's not an essential service which means that you will most likely risk being fined or sent home if police decide to go with that option.

THe laws on all this are so vague nobody really knows what's going on - because senior ministers have come out and said fishing taking into account social distancing laws is permitted.

It's ridiculous.

[pv4]

THe issue isn't the laws it's how police are interpreting those laws.
Police minister yesterday said Shopping at Ikea or other retailers was not essential. Yet Ikea are still open as are many other stores that sell non-essential [in the ministers eyes] items.
He then said, words to the effect that you have been warned and it's up to police discretion whether or not you get charged.

It's all policy on the run and pretty much anything you do now is a roll of the dice whether you get fined or not.

Fishing is no different in that it's not an essential service which means that you will most likely risk being fined or sent home if police decide to go with that option.

THe laws on all this are so vague nobody really knows what's going on - because senior ministers have come out and said fishing taking into account social distancing laws is permitted.

It's ridiculous.

IKEA and other retailers sell jigsaw puzzles though..

[The Dunster]

IKEA and other retailers sell jigsaw puzzles though..

There has not been an official announcement about Jigsaw puzzles being classified as essential ?

Therefore, if you told police you were at IKEA to buy a jigsaw puzzle and they don't feel it's an essential item - then it might end up costing you a few thousand dollars.

[baldrick]

There has not been an official announcement about Jigsaw puzzles being classified as essential ?

Therefore, if you told police you were at IKEA to buy a jigsaw puzzle and they don't feel it's an essential item - then it might end up costing you a few thousand dollars.


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[pv4]

There has not been an official announcement about Jigsaw puzzles being classified as essential ?

Therefore, if you told police you were at IKEA to buy a jigsaw puzzle and they don't feel it's an essential item - then it might end up costing you a few thousand dollars.

Yep Scott Morisson quite literally said in one of his recent speeches that jigsaw puzzles were an essential purchase that his family went out to the shops for. It can't be much more direct than from the leaders mouth.

[StannyCFCJET]

TBF to Scomo, If your gonna be stuck at home with your kids for a few months, I'd consider stuff like Jigsaw puzzles essential if you wanna keep them entertained away from digital stuff. The problem is the way he announces or words this stuff to the press makes him sounds like a buffoon

[Skirt Boy]

THe issue isn't the laws it's how police are interpreting those laws.

It's all policy on the run and pretty much anything you do now is a roll of the dice whether you get fined or not.

THe laws on all this are so vague nobody really knows what's going on - because senior ministers have come out and said fishing taking into account social distancing laws is permitted.

It's ridiculous.

Deleted the non-essential stuff.

This pretty much sums it up.

The way the law as written there is nothing from stopping me from having my photography studio open. Not that I would get any customers mind you.

[MFKS]

THe issue isn't the laws it's how police are interpreting those laws.
Police minister yesterday said Shopping at Ikea or other retailers was not essential. Yet Ikea are still open as are many other stores that sell non-essential [in the ministers eyes] items.
He then said, words to the effect that you have been warned and it's up to police discretion whether or not you get charged.

It's all policy on the run and pretty much anything you do now is a roll of the dice whether you get fined or not.

Fishing is no different in that it's not an essential service which means that you will most likely risk being fined or sent home if police decide to go with that option.

THe laws on all this are so vague nobody really knows what's going on - because senior ministers have come out and said fishing taking into account social distancing laws is permitted.

It's ridiculous.

Policy on the run by the Politicians
Media spreading piles of rumour and innuendo
Nothing being decided based on science but predictions despite all of these predictions so far being drastically off their track record is poor
Trusting medical professionals on running the economy
Was even watching something on YouTube where some guy had a video querying Merkel on why standard medical and scientific protocols were not being followed in relation to Corona

The whole thing is a farce and the chaos they are creating has to be done on purpose because these guys could not all be this plain ****ing incompetent otherwise they need a job at the FFA or the Jets

[Jetmaster]

You explained how fishing is banned yet?

https://7news-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/victoria-coronavirus-latest-state-bans-fishing-boating-camping-golf-c-950766.amp?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15860421261078&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2F7news.com.au%2Flifestyle%2F health-wellbeing%2Fvictoria-coronavirus-latest-state-bans-fishing-boating-camping-golf-c-950766

[MFKS]

Anyone able to offer a theory on why all of a sudden

The number of cases being found seems to be going down in Oz
Yet the number of deaths is going up??

Rather bizarre that with the lock down.and travel bans in effect that the numbers of deaths are going up whilst the spread of it goes down

[Frodo]

Anyone able to offer a theory on why all of a sudden

The number of cases being found seems to be going down in Oz
Yet the number of deaths is going up??

Rather bizarre that with the lock down.and travel bans in effect that the numbers of deaths are going up whilst the spread of it goes down


Fairly simple, the people who got the virus at first weren't the ones most likely to die from it.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Like any disease, it takes time to act.

Those people dying today, were likely infected some time ago. Symptoms are said to set in 5 days after transmission.
The body attempts to fight it, and either successfully kills off the active virus, limiting symptoms and other people’s bodies are unable to fight it as effectively. Some people have drawn out battles and eventually their body cannot fight anymore. Others will continue to be on assisted ventilation for a number of days while attempting to contain the pneumonia and lung damage.

[MFKS]

Like any disease, it takes time to act.

Those people dying today, were likely infected some time ago. Symptoms are said to set in 5 days after transmission.
The body attempts to fight it, and either successfully kills off the active virus, limiting symptoms and other people’s bodies are unable to fight it as effectively. Some people have drawn out battles and eventually their body cannot fight anymore. Others will continue to be on assisted ventilation for a number of days while attempting to contain the pneumonia and lung damage.

So how come 2 weeks ago none of the people infected were having anywhere near the same problems??

Our health system has not been over loaded right now so that aint an excuse right now

That death rate should be pretty consistent

Why were people not dying of this thing in February and early March if the infections were here ??

25th of March we were on single figures of deaths
Now we are on 34 deaths

Since then the numbers have increased nearly 4 fold in 10 or so days

[The Dunster]

So how come 2 weeks ago none of the people infected were having anywhere near the same problems??

Our health system has not been over loaded right now so that aint an excuse right now

That death rate should be pretty consistent

Why were people not dying of this thing in February and early March if the infections were here ??

25th of March we were on single figures of deaths
Now we are on 34 deaths

Since then the numbers have increased nearly 4 fold in 10 or so days

The incubation period isn't constant.
The rate of recovery isn't constant.

It's also a case of how much exposure you have to the virus determining how severely you get it.
Therefore the more exposure someone has the greater / more severe the infections and holding all else constant you would expect the greater the chance of dying.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Just the same as cancer doesn’t kill everyone on the same timeline, nor does this virus.
Some people become infected and their immune system is great and fights it off before it can do too much damage and cause many symptoms, other people get sick and develop symptoms while their body fights it and for some their body tries to fight it and fight it but their symptoms get worse and their body gives up.

[MFKS]

The incubation period isn't constant.
The rate of recovery isn't constant.

It's also a case of how much exposure you have to the virus determining how severely you get it.
Therefore the more exposure someone has the greater / more severe the infections and holding all else constant you would expect the greater the chance of dying.

The incubation period isn't constant
The rate of recovery is inconsistent


Even if I pay you that

It does not negate that there has to have been plenty of infected people in the country in February and early March . Not every **** got infected in mid March all the same day so we would habe a spike in numbers now

I went to Thailand in early February. The chick on the plane who sat next to me had a mask on and there were plenty of others panicking about Corona

So it ain't like this issue started in mid March
Plenty of Aussies had to have been infected in February but not detected as Corona because that is a logical assumption

Where the **** are the corpses because to have any form of logical consistency this disease would have to have been just as deadly then in February and early March as it is now in Late March and Early April to those infected by it

The Corona just ain't cranked it up 10 notches of deadly all of a sudden has it ??

[Bremsstrahlung]

Purely the demographic of those infected.
The majority of deaths here in Australia are over 70, and a large chunk of them were the cruise ship. The cruise ship was full of older passengers. So logic says that they are more susceptible to it, and have a higher likelihood of death.


What’s your conspiracy?

[The Dunster]

The incubation period isn't constant
The rate of recovery is inconsistent


Even if I pay you that

It does not negate that there has to have been plenty of infected people in the country in February and early March . Not every **** got infected in mid March all the same day so we would habe a spike in numbers now

I went to Thailand in early February. The chick on the plane who sat next to me had a mask on and there were plenty of others panicking about Corona

So it ain't like this issue started in mid March
Plenty of Aussies had to have been infected in February but not detected as Corona because that is a logical assumption

Where the **** are the corpses because to have any form of logical consistency this disease would have to have been just as deadly then in February and early March as it is now in Late March and Early April to those infected by it

The Corona just ain't cranked it up 10 notches of deadly all of a sudden has it ??

You are thinking that the virus is a case of you either have it or you don't. That's not correct. There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the more someone is exposed to the virus the worse their symptoms. Hence why doctors are wearing full PPE and the majority of patients are being sedated.

[Macca]

The incubation period isn't constant
The rate of recovery is inconsistent


Even if I pay you that

It does not negate that there has to have been plenty of infected people in the country in February and early March . Not every **** got infected in mid March all the same day so we would habe a spike in numbers now

I went to Thailand in early February. The chick on the plane who sat next to me had a mask on and there were plenty of others panicking about Corona

So it ain't like this issue started in mid March
Plenty of Aussies had to have been infected in February but not detected as Corona because that is a logical assumption

Where the **** are the corpses because to have any form of logical consistency this disease would have to have been just as deadly then in February and early March as it is now in Late March and Early April to those infected by it

The Corona just ain't cranked it up 10 notches of deadly all of a sudden has it ??

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Not sure where the spike is that you're talking about.

As for other countries being worried about it much earlier than us. That's partly due to culture and partly due to the fact that the infection curve started much earlier in other countries than it did here. Which is why we have the luxury of being able to look at how other countries handled and are handling things.

As for the death count rising, that's sort of how exponential growth works. The count of people confirmed as infected has grown exponentially. Logically there would be a correlation between the amount of people infected and the amount of people having serious / life threatening cases. Additionally, the more people are infected, the more people that are at risk (elderly, health compromised etc) that are going to contract it.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Of the 5,600 people that have tested positive, only 600 have “recovered”. I suspect they have either tested negative post treatment of symptoms or they have been discharged from Hospital in the Home programs as they no longer need assistance.
34 have passed away, all aged 65-95.
So there’s still 5, 000 people with the virus whose fate is undetermined.
And the 20-30 age bracket has the most cases, based off NSW Health statistics.

[pv4]

As for other countries being worried about it much earlier than us. That's partly due to culture and partly due to the fact that the infection curve started much earlier in other countries than it did here. Which is why we have the luxury of being able to look at how other countries handled and are handling things.

I have also seen several smart people being interviewed saying we are better off than Europe because we are in Summer, whereas they are in Winter. If we were in Winter it is probable we would be in far worse a state than current. And it is why they are taking the curve so seriously, so we can stop the spread before we hit our winter. It is also why people are being encouraged to get the flu shot.

[Macca]

I have also seen several smart people being interviewed saying we are better off than Europe because we are in Summer, whereas they are in Winter. If we were in Winter it is probable we would be in far worse a state than current. And it is why they are taking the curve so seriously, so we can stop the spread before we hit our winter. It is also why people are being encouraged to get the flu shot.

From my understanding, the winter / colds & flus thing is more about cultural behaviour than actual temperature. In winter we tend to spend more time indoors, in closer proximity to others. Not saying the thing about winter is wrong, but somewhat of a tangent.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Winter poses the risk that people’s initial reaction is flu/cold and it is somewhat expected which results in people plodding along and going to work/doing things. Was in Europe in December and Jan and I don’t think my nose stopped running the entire time, had a sore throat from the dry cold winds.

Over here we have people freaking out with a runny nose, sore throat and/or a cough. Because it’s pretty easy to spot given where we are in our year. It’s easier to spot out of the ordinary symptoms.
When we hit winter and get into flu season, hospitals are gonna be smashed with people thinking they have corona instead of a common cold. Flu is also serious but similarly to corona, presentation to hospital is only needed when symptoms are inhibiting beyond expected or practical.
If we can get to a point before that where our presentations and new acquisitions of covid are significantly low, it will help the health system.

[MFKS]

1680

Not sure where the spike is that you're talking about.

As for other countries being worried about it much earlier than us. That's partly due to culture and partly due to the fact that the infection curve started much earlier in other countries than it did here. Which is why we have the luxury of being able to look at how other countries handled and are handling things.

As for the death count rising, that's sort of how exponential growth works. The count of people confirmed as infected has grown exponentially. Logically there would be a correlation between the amount of people infected and the amount of people having serious / life threatening cases. Additionally, the more people are infected, the more people that are at risk (elderly, health compromised etc) that are going to contract it.

You don't see the spike on the right hand side of your graph

Where is the consistent deaths in the February and Early to mid March period ??
So nearly every one all got the deadly virus part of it all about March 25 onwards whilst we in this lock down . That quite convenient of it to strike us all now


As for exponential growth explaining deaths

Right now they can not or will not test everyone
So there has to be people walking around with it throwing the infected numbers out
These people also had to exist in February and Early March just as much

There is no consistency to say that this is not true

If that is the case an exponential rise is explained by testers starting to catch up with the reality

[MFKS]

Purely the demographic of those infected.
The majority of deaths here in Australia are over 70, and a large chunk of them were the cruise ship. The cruise ship was full of older passengers. So logic says that they are more susceptible to it, and have a higher likelihood of death.


What’s your conspiracy?

Well if you using logic like that you quarantine the sick and those at risk

Ie the old people and unfit

You don't quarantine the entire world

[Bremsstrahlung]

Most of the stats coming out are newly diagnosed.
The rate of new infections is dropping, but the number of cases is growing.

And again, the virus affects people differently. It doesn’t just kill everyone on a standard timeline. The people dying with it today could’ve contacted it 2 months ago and their bodies were fighting and have given up. They could be somebody who got it yesterday who was already very unwell.

I don’t really understand what your angle is here or why it’s so difficult to understand that the resultant deaths from the virus can happen at any time.

It’s very early days to be reading into the numbers and determining patterns.
Our stats are pretty good comparatively.
I’m still getting notifications for each death. Beats being in a country where they may only notify every 1000.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Well if you using logic like that you quarantine the sick and those at risk

Ie the old people and unfit

You don't quarantine the entire world

Still unpredictable what happens when you contract the virus. You play roulette.
It’s not all about you. There’s more people in the world than just you. Everyone’s being affected worldwide, celebrities the famous and the rich.
Limiting the people infected, limits the deaths.

We are starting to limit the new infections and the death trends will continue for some time and will probably.
As I said early.
There’s 5000 Australians who have not died, and not recovered from the virus. They can still tip the numbers either way.

[Jeterpool]

1680

Not sure where the spike is that you're talking about.

As for other countries being worried about it much earlier than us. That's partly due to culture and partly due to the fact that the infection curve started much earlier in other countries than it did here. Which is why we have the luxury of being able to look at how other countries handled and are handling things.

As for the death count rising, that's sort of how exponential growth works. The count of people confirmed as infected has grown exponentially. Logically there would be a correlation between the amount of people infected and the amount of people having serious / life threatening cases. Additionally, the more people are infected, the more people that are at risk (elderly, health compromised etc) that are going to contract it.

Most of the states don't report on recovery, hence the skewed figures.

[Frodo]

Well if you using logic like that you quarantine the sick and those at risk

Ie the old people and unfit

You don't quarantine the entire world

Until there is a vaccine, you quarantine everyone.

There have been kids as young as 18 dying from it in other countries. There have been young adults in the US with very mild asthma dying from complications. There is every chance the the virus is already mutating each time it gets transmitted to someone new as well.

Until there is a vaccine we will be under some sort of social distancing regulations, even when deaths and new cases go to 0. The bad news is that the vaccine looks like it's at least another 6 months away and could be 12-18 months away according the US. Here's hoping it's only 6 months away and we work out a system where people can get back outside but still keep their distance, but I 100% don't trust people to follow rules, hence why we have the lockdown in the first place. Cause of idiots who think they are at the centre of the universe.

[The Dunster]

I'd prefer to see a vaccine that cures stupid before one that cures Covid 19.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I'd prefer to see a vaccine that cures stupid before one that cures Covid 19.

You’d think we’d be immune to it by now.
We still keep coming back for a bigger dose each time.

[MFKS]

Still unpredictable what happens when you contract the virus. You play roulette.
It’s not all about you. There’s more people in the world than just you. Everyone’s being affected worldwide, celebrities the famous and the rich.
Limiting the people infected, limits the deaths.

We are starting to limit the new infections and the death trends will continue for some time and will probably.
As I said early.
There’s 5000 Australians who have not died, and not recovered from the virus. They can still tip the numbers either way.

More people are being affected by the consequences of locking people down in their homes than they are by this Pandemic BS

Locking everyone down is the approach for the weak and fearful

You scared of catching it you do have a choice of staying out of society if you want


This approach is like burning your house down as you set fire to it because you used a flame thrower to kill a fly in your lounge room

[MFKS]

I'd prefer to see a vaccine that cures stupid before one that cures Covid 19.

Gonna be hard when you have so many sheep who blindly accept what the media and politicians tell them

Everything those who defend the Govrrnmemts actions do so based on believing the information disseminated from media and politicians

Both groups habitual liars

Apparently this time they are telling the truth though

[Frodo]

More people are being affected by the consequences of locking people down in their homes than they are by this Pandemic BS

Locking everyone down is the approach for the weak and fearful

You scared of catching it you do have a choice of staying out of society if you want


This approach is like burning your house down as you set fire to it because you used a flame thrower to kill a fly in your lounge room


If you think staying home a bit more is worse than the thought of people dying, you have bigger issues than this pandemic.

Stay home, stop crying, find some hobbies. You'll be fine.

[Frodo]

Gonna be hard when you have so many sheep who blindly accept what the media and politicians tell them

Everything those who defend the Govrrnmemts actions do so based on believing the information disseminated from media and politicians

Both groups habitual liars

Apparently this time they are telling the truth though

Says the man taking cues from a fiction novel about a handsome carpenter who could throw great parties, lots of wine, bread and fish etc, but couldn't see that his best friend was actually a jerk, Judas?. I could be paraphrasing here, I didn't even watch the live action remake of it. I think Mel Brooks directed it.

[MFKS]

If you think staying home a bit more is worse than the thought of people dying, you have bigger issues than this pandemic.

Stay home, stop crying, find some hobbies. You'll be fine.
Says a lot that your whole point is based on "your thought of people dying "

Great idea

Let's just close down the entire world because some people might die

How about we also ban the automobile to stop car accidents as well why we are at it applying your own levels of logic


It is rather sad how you actually do embrace an authoritarian regime ie the government giving you some sense protection because of your fears

You are even asking them to spank you harder like a submissive doormat as well

Maybe if you had any real dogma to believe in you wouldnt be scared of death
Maybe you actually need to pick up a bible and start reading

Your fear in your own death which btw is inevitable with or without Corona is your own narcissim at work
Those who believe in God don't have those fears as we have something you don't

[Frodo]

Let's just close down the entire world because some people might die

Finally got some actual logic out of you. See, you have been learning new tricks. Well done.

[MFKS]

Finally got some actual logic out of you. See, you have been learning new tricks. Well done.

It ain't logic

It an example of what you support to be protected from your fear

There nothing logical about the way you wish to deal with your fears at all

[StannyCFCJET]

And if you get it, It doesn't really effect you but you pass it onto someone it does effect and they die or get really sick? How would you feel Memba?

[MFKS]

And if you get it, It doesn't really effect you but you pass it onto someone it does effect and they die or get really sick? How would you feel Memba?


If it don't effect me how am i gonna know I was responsible for passing it on??

There no logic to your point

[StannyCFCJET]

If it don't effect me how am i gonna know I was responsible for passing it on??

There no logic to your point

You can still carry it even if it doesnt really effect you

[MFKS]

You can still carry it even if it doesnt really effect you

Ok
But how am i gonna know I passed it on so I can feel guilty if I don't know I got it ??

Still waiting for you to explain that

[Bremsstrahlung]

Stanny still thought you were a nice guy who cared for others.

[MFKS]

Stanny still thought you were a nice guy who cared for others.

I do care for others

That is why I think we should all get back to work and resume our lives

It is the best option

Taking out 1% of senior citizens is a superior option than ruining the economy of most nations and the impending social problems and wars and unrest that is coming by taking the BS approach we are on

[Frodo]

I do care for others

That is why I think we should all get back to work and resume our lives

It is the best option

Taking out 1% of senior citizens is a superior option than ruining the economy of most nations and the impending social problems and wars and unrest that is coming by taking the BS approach we are on

This won't ruin the economy. Stop being a drama queen.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Apologies for insinuating you don’t care membah.

As an example for the timeline of events.
Boris Johnson tested positive 10 days ago. So his contribution to the number of new diagnoses was then.
10 days later, he’s been admitted to Hospital with symptoms and now into ICU.
They’ll treat his symptoms as best they can for a few days and he’ll either go home, or they’ll put him on ventilation. He might be in ventilation for a week or so. And potentially could die if his condition deteriorates.
So he would then contribute to the deaths 3-4 weeks after his original diagnosis.


I know of one patient who has been ventilated for 2 weeks so far.
I’m thankful I live in this country at the moment. Where I’m still notified every time there is a death, instead of when there’s another 1000 deaths. At the moment we can afford to keep people alive on ventilation for weeks. We are not at a point where people are being taken off ventilation because ‘they’ve had their time to recover’ and somebody else needs it now.

Maybe we are just buying time before **** hits the fan and our health system collapses, but I hope not. Majority of cities around the world are locked down right now. We aren’t the only ones “taking people’s freedom” in attempt to save lives.

[StannyCFCJET]

We're trying to slow it down before winter

[boz-monaut]

https://i.redd.it/xibpw1ciq7r41.jpg

[MFKS]

https://i.redd.it/xibpw1ciq7r41.jpg

That why they want to lock people in their houses

Got to keep the idiots locked away

[MFKS]

This won't ruin the economy. Stop being a drama queen.

It is ruining things for people that for certain

In the last 2 weeks in the US
Just short of 10 million people filed for unemployment benefits

Don't forget there be more to come to as those industries still going adjust as well

Go tell them this ain't ruining the economy

When your finished go tell that to all the people around the world in the same boat because you are scared of the flu

[The Dunster]

This won't ruin the economy. Stop being a drama queen.

It already has.

I can't work at the moment and I can't claim any government assistance because of the value of my assets.
I can't sell any of those assets at the moment because the market to sell them has been crippled. Moreover it's bad enough dealing with tyre kickers at the best of times let alone when there's a virus going around.
So until this is over I'll be living off my bank balance.

For those out of work hysteresis will become an issue the longer this goes on - meaning that the pool of long term unemployed will grow and many will never get back into the labour force.
Businesses will also revise their production downwards as a result so actual hours available for work will become an issue as well as an increase in casualistation or indeed more precarious forms of employment.

THe only way to avoid these problems is for the government to close the gap between actual and potential employment. Unfortunately, they have refused to come to the party - instead just a lot of cheap talk with little to no substance.

[Captain Obvious]

https://i.redd.it/xibpw1ciq7r41.jpg

This photo is from the Algerian War and the donkey is being carried because it was starving and the soldiers rescued it. It has nothing to do with landmines or Donald Trump.

[Frodo]

It already has.

I can't work at the moment and I can't claim any government assistance because of the value of my assets.
I can't sell any of those assets at the moment because the market to sell them has been crippled. Moreover it's bad enough dealing with tyre kickers at the best of times let alone when there's a virus going around.
So until this is over I'll be living off my bank balance.

For those out of work hysteresis will become an issue the longer this goes on - meaning that the pool of long term unemployed will grow and many will never get back into the labour force.
Businesses will also revise their production downwards as a result so actual hours available for work will become an issue as well as an increase in casualistation or indeed more precarious forms of employment.

THe only way to avoid these problems is for the government to close the gap between actual and potential employment. Unfortunately, they have refused to come to the party - instead just a lot of cheap talk with little to no substance.

Sorry, I think I made my point poorly. (It was very late at work and I didn't want to spend any more time than necessary when dealing with that other guy in the tin foil hat.)

The economy won't be affected by this long term, as the economy doesn't rely on you or I as much you'd like to think.

It will definitely have huge negative effects on people and plenty of businesses, I agree, but I was talking about the economy.


If anything, this virus will likely reset the already looming recession and we will come out the other side better than we started.


Now, the US economy is an entirely different thing. They have been teetering on the edge for almost a decade and have been using useless wars to prop themselves up for too long. Plus, they are so poorly run that they can't even decide on whether to lock down or not in each state. Even after over 10k deaths over 350k known cases. They are screwed for years, sorry.

[The Dunster]

Sorry, I think I made my point poorly. (It was very late at work and I didn't want to spend any more time than necessary when dealing with that other guy in the tin foil hat.)

The economy won't be affected by this long term, as the economy doesn't rely on you or I as much you'd like to think.

It will definitely have huge negative effects on people and plenty of businesses, I agree, but I was talking about the economy.


If anything, this virus will likely reset the already looming recession and we will come out the other side better than we started.


Now, the US economy is an entirely different thing. They have been teetering on the edge for almost a decade and have been using useless wars to prop themselves up for too long. Plus, they are so poorly run that they can't even decide on whether to lock down or not in each state. Even after over 10k deaths over 350k known cases. They are screwed for years, sorry.

I honestly don't know what you mean by the term economy in this context.

[Charman]

That why they want to lock people in their houses

Got to keep the idiots locked away

Wish they would lock your keyboard away.

[Jetmaster]

Tourism is rooted.

So we get to 6 months time and are open for business. By then half the country will have lost their jobs or at the very least used up all their leave.

Who will go on holidays, especially in the critcal Christmas period?

[MFKS]

Tourism is rooted.

So we get to 6 months time and are open for business. By then half the country will have lost their jobs or at the very least used up all their leave.

Who will go on holidays, especially in the critcal Christmas period?

Go one better

We be lucky to be let out of the country in 2020.
We be lucky to see a foreigner here in 2020 either

The Authoritarian state we live in ain't gonna let anyone in or out
They can't allow the ConVirus to come back despite the fact that we all have a pretty effect tool at dealing with it that requires no Vaccine

A healthy immune system seems to take care of Corona

[pv4]

A healthy immune system seems to take care of Corona

Have you informed the CDC of your findings

[Bremsstrahlung]

Membah,
What’s your opinion on what UK, Italy, USA and Spain (highest death tolls) are doing? Are their lockdowns as ridiculous as you think ours are?

[MFKS]

Have you informed the CDC of your findings

They too busy with their con to actually notice or they are intentionally avoiding the reality that many people are dealing with Corona and do t require treatmemt

[Frodo]

They too busy with their con to actually notice or they are intentionally avoiding the reality that many people are dealing with Corona and do t require treatmemt

Bloody chemtrails making my son gay!!! I'll take my health advice from Sean Hannity thank you very much. He seems to know more than those silly doctors.

[MFKS]

Membah,
What’s your opinion on what UK, Italy, USA and Spain (highest death tolls) are doing? Are their lockdowns as ridiculous as you think ours are?

I don't believe their numbers are accurate at all

I dont think the way these things have been recorded are identical in every nation hence why we have some glaring discrepancies in death rates to infected POIs

I think the Italians in the first instance were happy to inflate their numbers as they were looking at getting financial help from the EU as they were in the shit the most which the EU incidentally failed to provide anyway

I think the Yanks now are leveraging the shit out of this right now for political gain so a high death toll from them won't bother them at all because they wont be letting this crisis go to waste to strengthen their powers

The other point worth mentioning is many of these people dying are reported as dying with underlying causes
So what's to say someone goes down with heart issues when they do a test on them for cause of death discover Corona present and then they get marked down as Corona instead of the Heart conditions despite them.having had a heart attack??

Wouldn't be that hard to fudge things up that way
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/04/05/will-new-cdc-guidelines-inflate-the-number-of-deaths-attributed-to-the-coronavirus/

[MFKS]

Bloody chemtrails making my son gay!!! I'll take my health advice from Sean Hannity thank you very much. He seems to know more than those silly doctors.

Viruses don't kill people though

[boz-monaut]

unless anyone is keen on delving further into the member's mental illness, I'm going to have to ban him

this is just too stupid now, it's obvious trolling, no sane person is capable of holding these opinions

[MFKS]

unless anyone is keen on delving further into the member's mental illness, I'm going to have to ban him

this is just too stupid now, it's obvious trolling, no sane person is capable of holding these opinions

But viruses don't kill people

The bodies immune system over reacts

Thought you were into science??

[boz-monaut]

viruses have an effect on the immune system

the HIV virus does not cause an over reaction in the immune system, it in fact weakens it and people die of other infections such as Pneumocystis Pneumonia

you are clearly not into science, but perhaps in this down time you should look into your own personal mental health issues, they're clearly abundant and you have let them impact on your own personal life considerably, which is why you are at the status you are, at the age you are, headed in the direction you are

you can turn things around, and when you do you may be welcome back into this society

until then, use this isolation to work through your issues

[Skirt Boy]

unless anyone is keen on delving further into the member's mental illness, I'm going to have to ban him

this is just too stupid now, it's obvious trolling, no sane person is capable of holding these opinions

Please don't do that. I've caught up on Family Guy and have nothing else to watch.

[StannyCFCJET]

viruses have an effect on the immune system

the HIV virus does not cause an over reaction in the immune system, it in fact weakens it and people die of other infections such as Pneumocystis Pneumonia

you are clearly not into science, but perhaps in this down time you should look into your own personal mental health issues, they're clearly abundant and you have let them impact on your own personal life considerably, which is why you are at the status you are, at the age you are, headed in the direction you are

you can turn things around, and when you do you may be welcome back into this society

until then, use this isolation to work through your issues

He will never change his views or opinions

[The Dunster]

Our weather at the moment is a massive advantage to us compared with many other parts of the world. Once people start getting colds / runny nose and so on the rate of transmission will probably spike - especially if we all start thinking it's beaten and the piss poor hygiene practices start coming back.

[boz-monaut]

good thing we never really have winters here anyway

as a long term germaphobe and person with high risk of infection for the better part of the past two decades, the most important thing in avoiding getting ill from others is constant vigilance - assume everything you touch is contaminated and act accordingly

if you use your elbow to open a door, then your elbow is now contaminated, if you touch your elbow on your desk, then that's now contaminated

it's actually a pretty awful way to think and very difficult to keep up over the long term

but really you just need to apply the basics of hazard management to this:
eliminate the hazard - stay at home
substitute the hazard - use what you have at home
isolate the hazard - avoid contact with anyone and anything
engineer to control the hazard - screens at check outs
administrative controls - stay 2 metres apart
PPE - last resort when you can't do the others

which is why we need to retain PPE for those who need it most

[Frodo]

From what I've read there isn't a huge difference in transmission between colder climates and warmer ones. Plenty of "studies" have been pushing the warmer weather will fix things idea, but it seems to be the same people who are saying that hydroxychloroquine is a viable cure.

I think that whatever negative effects the colder weather will have on the virus surviving on surfaces will be countered by how much easier self isolation will be with people wanting to stay home in the colder weather.



Side note, just found out that the worst/most effective method of transmittal is through fecal matter rather than saliva. Wash your damn hands disgusting people!!!

[evolution]

as a long term germaphobe and person with high risk of infection for the better part of the past two decades, the most important thing in avoiding getting ill from others is constant vigilance - assume everything you touch is contaminated and act accordingly

if you use your elbow to open a door, then your elbow is now contaminated, if you touch your elbow on your desk, then that's now contaminated


There's a Scrubs episode which demonstrates this that has been doing the rounds:


https://youtu.be/PdrrgVVi-9U?t=50

[Frodo]

There's a Scrubs episode which demonstrates this that has been doing the rounds:


https://youtu.be/PdrrgVVi-9U?t=50

Man I love that show.

[The Dunster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ekx3xK4qXU

[Jeterpool]

Man I love that show.

Me too.

[StannyCFCJET]

Sadly scrubs was another show that went on a little too long and lost its magic big time

[Frodo]

Sadly scrubs was another show that went on a little too long and lost its magic big time

Not really, the last season was poor because of the writer's strike. It affected almost every show coming out of the US at the time remember. The show was riding high at the start of the season but fell apart when they changed writers mid way through.

[StannyCFCJET]

Not really, the last season was poor because of the writer's strike. It affected almost every show coming out of the US at the time remember. The show was riding high at the start of the season but fell apart when they changed writers mid way through.

Gotta disagree, Season 8 and then what ever the hell 9 was supposed to be were very painful to watch

[My2BobsWorth]

So the member has been banned for what, having a different opinion from the mods. In these strange times we look to normality, and the member not being on the forum is not helping with the normality of life. Amen lol

[boz-monaut]

no, he was finally banned for continued trolling, idiocy and misinformation

if you want to read missives from insane idiots there are plenty of other options on the internet

[My2BobsWorth]

Based on those three criteria you will have to ban everyone on the forum

[furns]

Me too.
three

[furns]

Sadly scrubs was another show that went on a little too long and lost its magic big time
Much like the Membah

[Skirt Boy]

Based on those three criteria you will have to ban everyone on the forum

The foz only needs to lose the blowhards who support Woolwich.

[Frodo]

The foz only needs to lose the blowhards who support Woolwich.

You'll have to give me fair warning so I can pack up all our trophies first tho. You'd be surprised how heavy the real ones are. :thumbsup:

[My2BobsWorth]

It seems that no one has an opinion on the more current issues regarding black people. Someone must have a view. I'll go first. Americans are idiots.

[380]

Anybody who attended any of the rallies in this country under the current health circumstances needs to have a long hard look at themselves.

[Frodo]

Anybody who attended any of the rallies in this country under the current health circumstances needs to have a long hard look at themselves.

Same as anyone who has been to a gym or a pub as well tho. Just as likely to contract it there as even a tightly packed protest outside. Going to any of the 3 mentioned is poor form IMO.

[Jetmaster]

Seems like this thread died when the Membah got "cancelled".

It is very interesting to read the last 6 months of posts thoroughly with hindsight - it was not just the Membah that threw out emotional untruths.

And some attacks on him were themselves out of order when looked at on face value.

[Frodo]

Seems like this thread died when the Membah got "cancelled".

It is very interesting to read the last 6 months of posts thoroughly with hindsight - it was not just the Membah that threw out emotional untruths.

And some attacks on him were themselves out of order when looked at on face value.

I think when they booted him a few other colourful personalities decided this entire forum wasn't what it used to be.

I feel like the member and I disagreed as much as most but he never said anything to me that crossed any lines (his previous ban sounded like it was very justified tho), I've had others say much much worse without any sort of outrage from the powers at be. Seems like actual threats and insults are less damaging than a shit talk and stirring the pot whenever possible?

[samcan]

Had a good read.

Membah gave the thread its intended title. The tears he created was amazing. Those who cant handle tolerance or stance did the banning.

Most probably those who side with the current social media ground swell.

It will change.

[My2BobsWorth]

Rage against the machine man, down with big brother, down with mods, down with pv4

[Jetmaster]

I think when they booted him a few other colourful personalities decided this entire forum wasn't what it used to be.

I feel like the member and I disagreed as much as most but he never said anything to me that crossed any lines (his previous ban sounded like it was very justified tho), I've had others say much much worse without any sort of outrage from the powers at be. Seems like actual threats and insults are less damaging than a shit talk and stirring the pot whenever possible?

I don't often agree with you but you are spot on. There were no threats, nothing that could be termed "phobic", just forceful argument over beliefs. Yes its a football foz but you have to argue somewhere!

The loss of freedom of speech is my biggest fear at the moment, not the virus or the orange man. Opinions are not always wrong, just different.

[belchardo]

Everyday i am reminded why i'm glad i live in Australia and not America.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Country was doomed ever since they elected Trump.

Bloke calls Black Lives Matter protesters out and demands they be prosecuted for 10 years.
Comes out today and acknowledges the “fraudulent election” and tells the protesters they are loved.

[Grimario]

Country was doomed ever since they elected Trump.

Bloke calls Black Lives Matter protesters out and demands they be prosecuted for 10 years.
Comes out today and acknowledges the “fraudulent election” and tells the protesters they are loved.

Forget the BLM protesters... he came out against someone kneeling, FFS.

[Jim]

Forget the BLM protesters... he came out against someone kneeling, FFS.

Kneeling is pathetic. We can fix societal issues without being far left racists

[Bon]

Kneeling is pathetic. We can fix societal issues without being far left racists

Ummmmm what?

[Ghost of Plague]

The actions of those loons today is pathetic. The actions of the loons over summer was equally as pathetic. Both instances were cheered on by elected people in power. That is the biggest issue out of all of it.

Regardless, the Georgia results yesterday were the best thing for the country. The Dems now have complete power. They can do what they want within the confines of the system. All we've heard for the past 10 years was the obstruction from a gridlocked congress.
Well, now its open for Joe and Kamala to implement whatever they stand for.

Gun control.
Military spending.
Health care.
Abortion rights.
Supreme court.
Climate change.

All of it.
They have 2 years to implement everything we've been told that the 'people' want.
They can do it unopposed.
Let's see if any of these cowards actually have the guts to make some difficult decisions.
Im not confident, but I sure as shit dont want to hear any excuses if it all fails.

[Ghost of Plague]

Kneeling is pathetic. We can fix societal issues without being far left racists

Exactly right.
I mean, we just fixed racism by changing the words to that song.
World hunger next please Scomo.


"We are the woooorrrllllddddď, we are the chill-drinnnnnnnnn"


SING IT WITH ME NOW PEOPLE.

[The Dunster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFnBbGdA7fQ

[Jetmaster]

Gawd, I apologise to nobody for the sins of somebody else...like several before me I get the vibe that I don't belong here anymore. Enjoy the next 4 hate-filled years of the Swampy and Camel show singing Kumbaya.

[Jim]

Gawd, I apologise to nobody for the sins of somebody else...like several before me I get the vibe that I don't belong here anymore. Enjoy the next 4 hate-filled years of the Swampy and Camel show singing Kumbaya.

Sums up the populous. Buts it's the offended hysterical guilt ridden hippies that seem to get the oil form the spineless media and pollies.

Welcome to the 2020s

[StannyCFCJET]

Not sure where to put it but facebook is dead

[Frodo]

Not sure where to put it but facebook is dead

Meh, it's already dying out in general so this media nonsense is just going to affect Boomers anyway. Bring MySpace back and let us all be cool again.

[Hunter403]

Meh, it's already dying out in general so this media nonsense is just going to affect Boomers anyway. Bring MySpace back and let us all be cool again.

Ahh, myspace, they were the days...

[Ghost of Plague]

This Facebook bullshit is a fantastic study in stupidity.

[plague]

Hello friends, make sure when scrolling your social media pages over the next few days and see your asshole friends complaining about the SCOTUS decision, please be the proper and correct citizen and remind them that America just voted to have the same system as Australia.

Because thats all that happened. States rights are a huge deal over there, if they now want legal abortions, then get cracking and vote your preferred candidate in. Its not that difficult from here.
Also, if Obama didnt make fun of Trump at the White House dinner in 2011 none of this happens.

Thanks Obama, you did this.

Trumps petty revenge tour continues.

[belchardo]

As much about State's rights as the civil war was.

It always strikes me as odd that the same people who vehemently object to state interference in their right to buy a gun can then be so pro state involvement in a private medical matter.

[plague]

As much about State's rights as the civil war was.

It always strikes me as odd that the same people who vehemently object to state interference in their right to buy a gun can then be so pro state involvement in a private medical matter.

This is the same point people are getting confused over. SCOTUS is pretty much for ruling on the constitution. Guns are in the constitution, abortion is not. The constitution can be changed without SCOTUS interference so if they repeal 2A SCOTUS all of a sudden has no jurisdiction.


In a perfect America they now vote state by state to get the laws they demand. Just how we did it in good old backward colony Oz.

Im anti gun and pro choice. But their system is their system and unless people take the time to understand it youll never be able to effectively change it.

Also, that useless tit Biden is more than welcome to work with states or convince the house and senate to pass a federal law. But that would take guts, skill and the ability to compromise. He and his mob have none of it.

Also again, watching that place burn itself to the groud is the type of fillup that old plague lives for. Bring on more of it i say. **** em all.

[belchardo]

My comment was more about the rationale/logic of segment od the community rather than the system. I understand the system.

But I also don't profess to be an expert. If I was, I could explain why it's apparently constitutionally ok to deliberately disenfranchise large chunks of the voting population and then gerrymander those you can't get rid of.

[Frodo]

Hello friends, make sure when scrolling your social media pages over the next few days and see your asshole friends complaining about the SCOTUS decision, please be the proper and correct citizen and remind them that America just voted to have the same system as Australia.

Because thats all that happened. States rights are a huge deal over there, if they now want legal abortions, then get cracking and vote your preferred candidate in. Its not that difficult from here.



Sorry Plague, but this is bullshit (no offence). The states already had their laws in place and the GOP has spent decades preparing to ram through these changes even though they are immensely unpopular (13% are fully against abortion, 50% are for unconditional access and 35% for conditional access), the US is absolutely nothing like us in regards to politics.


As soon as McConnell illegally held up Obama's SCOTUS choice before the election it was clear as day that the US was officially not a democracy anymore. The people don't get to vote in who they want, gerrymandering sees to that quite easily. They also get zero say in how the SCOTUS is set and how it's run. They are so far removed from actual democracy that it's laughable. Their two parties are a right wing party (Democrats) and a watered down version of the Taliban (Republicans), and that's not an overreaction, check out their key policies and you'll see that they believe in basically the same thing just reading from a different book of fiction.


The more the US moves towards a theocracy the more nutjobs we will start to see running their ignorant mouths on our TVs. **** that shithole country and the billionaires that run it.

[plague]

Sorry Plague, but this is bullshit (no offence). The states already had their laws in place and the GOP has spent decades preparing to ram through these changes even though they are immensely unpopular (13% are fully against abortion, 50% are for unconditional access and 35% for conditional access), the US is absolutely nothing like us in regards to politics.


As soon as McConnell illegally held up Obama's SCOTUS choice before the election it was clear as day that the US was officially not a democracy anymore. The people don't get to vote in who they want, gerrymandering sees to that quite easily. They also get zero say in how the SCOTUS is set and how it's run. They are so far removed from actual democracy that it's laughable. Their two parties are a right wing party (Democrats) and a watered down version of the Taliban (Republicans), and that's not an overreaction, check out their key policies and you'll see that they believe in basically the same thing just reading from a different book of fiction.


The more the US moves towards a theocracy the more nutjobs we will start to see running their ignorant mouths on our TVs. **** that shithole country and the billionaires that run it.

Dont apologise to me young man. I love you and everything you dig.
But its not correct.
US and A has a system. For every glowing insta post you read you need to underatand.

Obama had the power to do anything. And he did nothing.
Dubbya had the country behind him and chose war over peace.
Biden got the most votes in the history of mankind and has did nothing.
If you think theres any difference between McConnell and Pelosi then you are a fool.
All of these assholes are pathetic. Worshipping any of them is embarrasing.

[terry]

Sorry Plague, but this is bullshit (no offence). The states already had their laws in place and the GOP has spent decades preparing to ram through these changes even though they are immensely unpopular (13% are fully against abortion, 50% are for unconditional access and 35% for conditional access), the US is absolutely nothing like us in regards to politics.


As soon as McConnell illegally held up Obama's SCOTUS choice before the election it was clear as day that the US was officially not a democracy anymore. The people don't get to vote in who they want, gerrymandering sees to that quite easily. They also get zero say in how the SCOTUS is set and how it's run. They are so far removed from actual democracy that it's laughable. Their two parties are a right wing party (Democrats) and a watered down version of the Taliban (Republicans), and that's not an overreaction, check out their key policies and you'll see that they believe in basically the same thing just reading from a different book of fiction.


The more the US moves towards a theocracy the more nutjobs we will start to see running their ignorant mouths on our TVs. **** that shithole country and the billionaires that run it.

Oh, so you just described how Wokes have ruined this country. Selective cancel culture based on a far left minority and you are unhappy about politics being based on a book.
But for some reason if your team ruled the country with your views that would be OK. Hypocrite.

Youve only used an opinion to discredit another, when there is no such thing as the right way. You wont even have the ability to acknowledge that. No lefty fool does/

[Frodo]

Dont apologise to me young man. I love you and everything you dig.
But its not correct.
US and A has a system. For every glowing insta post you read you need to underatand.

Obama had the power to do anything. And he did nothing.
Dubbya had the country behind him and chose war over peace.
Biden got the most votes in the history of mankind and has did nothing.
If you think theres any difference between McConnell and Pelosi then you are a fool.
All of these assholes are pathetic. Worshipping any of them is embarrasing.

Oh I fully agree that this is the fault of many people who did nothing before now. The US been heading backwards for decades and instead of rioting in the streets they have been giving their leaders Nobel prizes to say thanks. They had quite literally 50 years to codify Roe v Wade but we're too busy bombing kids in small villages over a few barrels of oil and making sure poor kids couldn't eat.


I like the fact that the US is bringing about the downfall of capitalism, it's just creating way more collateral damage than I'd have hoped for. I can't wait to eat a billionaire with the violent mob that eventually catches up with them, I just hope that they haven't scorched the earth so badly that we can't save it.

So long as people in this country don't look at that shithole as anything but a warning I'm fine, but we are a bunch of idiots over here ourselves, so I'm not confident this doesn't start some shitty arse debates from popping up.

[Frodo]

Oh, so you just described how Wokes have ruined this country. Selective cancel culture based on a far left minority and you are unhappy about politics being based on a book.
But for some reason if your team ruled the country with your views that would be OK. Hypocrite.

Youve only used an opinion to discredit another, when there is no such thing as the right way. You wont even have the ability to acknowledge that. No lefty fool does/

Nice buzz words old man. I literally showed the numbers that prove that about 85% of the US people are FOR abortion rights. You want to try and bring some facts to the table or are you just going to throw out childish insults that are actually compliments to the people you're throwing them at.


"Leftie" means that a person has empathy.
"Woke" means that I'm willing to continue to learn anything after I left school and I don't just listen to whatever the man on the TV tells me.
There's no such thing as "cancel culture", what you're referring to is the consequences of people's actions.

All politicians are pieces of shit IMO, they don't act for you and I, they act for the people paying their bills every week. Look at how blatantly dodgy they are these days with the Barilaro nonsense, they don't care what we think because once they are out there's nothing we can do about them. Barilaro pork barreled himself into a wonderful life now and whatever it cost the taxpayers is none of his concerns. Well played to him, I guess.

[My2BobsWorth]

Me mate Trumpy said in an interview that the abortion law was always going to overturned by the Supreme court, because he only appointed pro lifers

[Frodo]

Me mate Trumpy said in an interview that the abortion law was always going to overturned by the Supreme court, because he only appointed pro lifers

Because that's what his bosses wanted all along, Trumpf was always just a puppet for the GOP to push through their agenda. Donald avoided slowly becoming irrelevant (likely his biggest fear) and lived the high life free of charge for a few years and the GOP gets what it wants whilst also being able to blame it all on a well known democrat that they don't care about.

Welcome to US politics.

[My2BobsWorth]

You seem to have the answers, at what stage does abortion become murder

[Frodo]

You seem to have the answers, at what stage does abortion become murder

Abortion is healthcare, it's not murder.

My personal opinion doesn't matter because I'm not the one giving birth.

But my opinion is that you can't force women to have babies against their will, that's disgusting. So people should be more focused on sex education, the availability and understanding of contraception and support for women who do choose to give birth (maternity leave, access to support services, etc) if they want to stop abortions.

[My2BobsWorth]

I'm on the fence with this because it doesn't affect me, but the woman from the abortion clinic was telling protesters " if it hasn't taken a breath, it's not alive" seems a bit late to be terminating

[Frodo]

I'm on the fence with this because it doesn't affect me, but the woman from the abortion clinic was telling protesters " if it hasn't taken a breath, it's not alive" seems a bit late to be terminating

I don't think this ruling has anything to do with when a pregnancy can or cannot be aborted, that's another debate all together. That sort of stuff is just used to distract from the real issue, same as the bible nonsense, which is the control over women's body's. It also needs to be noted that the US is decades behind us in regards to healthcare and even the acccessabilty of female hygeine products (obviously in certain states and not the entire place). The rate of death during pregancy in the US is the highest out of the developed world. 17.4 US women die from pregnancy related issues per 100,000 people, compared to 4.8 in AUS and 8.7 in France (which is the next worst). The US doesn't offer maternity leave, so families literally go hungry while the mothers give birth. The average cost of giving birth in the US is nearly $11,000 as well.

So, a woman won't get a choice if they do fall pregnant (doesn't matter if it's from rape, incest, too young to understand contraception, missed a couple of birth control pills or if birth control pills are banned by the state), they are going to have to survive on zero income during the birth and recovery, be out of pocket around $11,000 and have a horrendous welfare system to help if they do struggle.


If any of these so-called pro-lifers (not you guys but the Idiot Yanks claiming this is a win for everyone) actually gave a shit about kids they would have used some of the $billions they already spent getting this rammed through to actually improve things for women giving birth over there. Which would have actually drastically dropped the rate of abortion instead of just increasing the rate of illegal abortions like this result will.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I don't think this ruling has anything to do with when a pregnancy can or cannot be aborted, that's another debate all together. That sort of stuff is just used to distract from the real issue, same as the bible nonsense, which is the control over women's body's. It also needs to be noted that the US is decades behind us in regards to healthcare and even the acccessabilty of female hygeine products (obviously in certain states and not the entire place). The rate of death during pregancy in the US is the highest out of the developed world. 17.4 US women die from pregnancy related issues per 100,000 people, compared to 4.8 in AUS and 8.7 in France (which is the next worst). The US doesn't offer maternity leave, so families literally go hungry while the mothers give birth. The average cost of giving birth in the US is nearly $11,000 as well.

So, a woman won't get a choice if they do fall pregnant (doesn't matter if it's from rape, incest, too young to understand contraception, missed a couple of birth control pills or if birth control pills are banned by the state), they are going to have to survive on zero income during the birth and recovery, be out of pocket around $11,000 and have a horrendous welfare system to help if they do struggle.


If any of these so-called pro-lifers (not you guys but the Idiot Yanks claiming this is a win for everyone) actually gave a shit about kids they would have used some of the $billions they already spent getting this rammed through to actually improve things for women giving birth over there. Which would have actually drastically dropped the rate of abortion instead of just increasing the rate of illegal abortions like this result will.

Was formulating a response to this thread, but you’ve said everything and more than I could.

I’m just glad I live in this nation with it’s healthcare.

[MFKS]

Abortion is healthcare, it's not murder.

My personal opinion doesn't matter because I'm not the one giving birth.

But my opinion is that you can't force women to have babies against their will, that's disgusting. So people should be more focused on sex education, the availability and understanding of contraception and support for women who do choose to give birth (maternity leave, access to support services, etc) if they want to stop abortions.
Abortion is not a form of contraception which is exactly what it is used for

You got choices already

Abstinence
Contraception
Adoption
Parenthood

Try using one of these instead of using the killing of another lifeform as your get out of gaol card