The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[hawk]

A bit like the difference between not thinking pineapples should be allowed on pizzas and actually enforcing that its illegal for anyone to do it.

moot. We are still choosing to what aussies can do with pizza and we aren't into that.

btw cooked pineapple and banana is the worst ay but if you're into it cool

[WolfMan]

A bit like the difference between not thinking pineapples should be allowed on pizzas and actually enforcing that its illegal for anyone to do it.

What a delightful metaphor. Well done!

[The Dunster]

lol, A bit confused

a. you voted against your opinion.
b. if no one has the right to determine the status of relationship you shouldn't have voted at all. You helped decide a relationship status albeit helping to create choice

now back to the next outrage supercars, wheres our local jobs?

a. I'm not for any type of marriage gay or straight. What I am for though is protecting the rights of others whether I agree with them or not.

b. I voted Yes because I am a libertarian [Thought certainly not in the modern economic interpretation of the word] . Which unfortunately is a concept not too many people understand.

[plague]

b. I voted Yes because I am a libertarian [Thought certainly not in the modern economic interpretation of the word] . Which unfortunately is a concept not too many people understand.

Dunsters creed:

1. Griff
2. Corps
3. Country

More guns and less taxes.
May you lead us to the promised land.

[The Dunster]

Dunsters creed:

1. Griff
2. Corps
3. Country

More guns and less taxes.
May you lead us to the promised land.

Agreed.

[hawk]

forza laissez-faire capitalism or is this a little redunstant these days

[The Dunster]

forza laissez-faire capitalism or is this a little redunstant these days

It's a pedagogical tool used in textbooks hawk - it has absolutely no practical usage anywhere else. It's not logically consistent, doesn't differentiate between stocks and flows... and relies on trickery like auctioneers and representative agents to fudge the fact that given the same information people act differently - not the same as the textbook models suggest.

Then there is the fact that traditional market capitalism died more than 40 years ago anyway - the current system is plutocratic - where the bulk of the wealth lies in fewer hands than it did in the past - the shrinking middle.

[Bon]

You just can't script this...
I wonder who signed off on the design of this statue of St Dominic that was 'erected' out the front of a Catholic school in Adelaide.. :thumbsup:

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/5a8e8105da74979c9872ad3febedb42e

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/school-forced-to-cover-statue-over-unfortunate-design-fail/news-story/3bd78382265ef49ba06ad99a47e6a174

[The Dunster]

:lulzturtle:

[plague]

Oh my lawd.

Surely that’s just a ‘bad’ angle?

[boz-monaut]

is there a good angle to look at a child touching a priest's wang?

[plague]

is there a good angle to look at a child touching a priest's wang?

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[plague]

So Triple-J has changed the date of the Hottest 100 so as not to celebrate 'invasion day' or some such bullshit.

Well thats good looks like racism is fixed.
so cheers for that.


oh wait, the day after is a saturday so you'll still be able to have yer parties etc etc etc.

always good when your social activism matches up to a day off work.

[MFKS]

So Triple-J has changed the date of the Hottest 100 so as not to celebrate 'invasion day' or some such bullshit.

Well thats good looks like racism is fixed.
so cheers for that.


oh wait, the day after is a saturday so you'll still be able to have yer parties etc etc etc.

always good when your social activism matches up to a day off work.

Invasion Day??

What the **** is that??

[plague]

Invasion Day??

What the **** is that??

its a term a bunch of white people with very high opinions of themselves use to make sure that even though they really dont care about indigenous folk it makes them feel good about applying 2017 sensibilities to events that happened over 200 years ago.

because on 27th January 1788 the Indigenous folk had it sooooooo much better so break out the party pies lads we can celebrate guilt free.

[q-money]

look i'm no massive bleeding heart pinko but "australia day" as we know it was first celebrated what, 23 years ago...and the white man, regardless of whether you feel any guilt or not about what happened in the past - has pretty much given the original inhabitants of this land short fkn shrift for the last 200+ years...possibly from this particular date.

it doesn't take a genius, either black or white to figure out why people might actually have a problem with the idea behind the day, and about blokes rippin' it up and havin' a barbie etc, while a great whack of the Aboriginal population is in prison, on the dole or suffering from chronic disease at considerably greater rates than the wider population

i'm not a smart man so i dunno what plague is even trying to say - but even if you aren't going to chip in to go and help Aboriginal people, at least you can acknowledge the inherent disadvantage they're at in pretty much every single metric we have in terms of quality of life.

straya easily one of the greatest countries in the world, but maybe we should have a bit of introspection instead of tooting the horn like a madman. have a couple of tins and have a think. same with ANZAC day tbh - a ripper day to have a few tins and a think. how aussie is that?

hottest 100 over 2 days on the last weekend of january is also a ripper idea, didn't it used to be on new years day, anyway?

[q-money]

and what i meant by "have a think", is have a think about how fkn great it is to live in a country where you don't get bombed to death in the morning before you wake up, can get a living wage (in a shit job but at least you aren't getting bombed) and fruit and vegetables like you wouldn't believe and you can buy three cuts of spring lamb for 10 bucks and it is delicious, my god how good is that? christ.

just appreciate it and don't be a penis about it ffs.

[hawk]

nothing should be celebrated end of january. theres a fking yr of work that is just put in front of you if you can get a job that is.

It is a great month for a war though. Kind of puts the jan blues to bed.

Now, lemme get back to my research of when triple J turned to aids

[plague]

i'm not a smart man so i dunno what plague is even trying to say -

have a couple of tins and have a think. same with ANZAC day tbh - a ripper day to have a few tins and a think. how aussie is that?



nah, you are a smart man and your ANZAC day comment is pretty much what im getting at.

ANZAC day is a day when a bunch of Brits royally ****ed us over and a bunch of Turks wiped out a bunch of young blokes who didnt stand a chance.

but

ANZAC day isnt spent abusing, or blaming the Turks. Its about understanding what happened, embracing the fact that we dont do that shit anymore and in the immortal words of Julia Gillard and Mark Jones "moving forward". As you said having a few tins and a feed isnt being disrespectful to anybody.

If your local pollie wanted to ban all Oktoberfest parties because of what the Germans did in WW2 would we all be happy with that? I mean how dare we celebrate when the poor Jews got wiped out right?

Im not referencing Oz day specifically, (that discussion has been had), but this constant babble that the attitudes of 1788 are still prevalent today and how dare you celebrate your culture is what irks me.

We've improved all facets of our lives, we finally treat chicks, the gheys and the immigrants 50 billion times better now that what we did back then (and better than a lot of countries still do today).

I dont have anything to feel guilty about.

Pass me a t-bone please.

[pv4]

Just move Straya Day to the 8th of May already ffs

[The Dunster]

nah, you are a smart man and your ANZAC day comment is pretty much what im getting at.

ANZAC day is a day when a bunch of Brits royally ****ed us over and a bunch of Turks wiped out a bunch of young blokes who didnt stand a chance.

but

ANZAC day isnt spent abusing, or blaming the Turks. Its about understanding what happened, embracing the fact that we dont do that shit anymore and in the immortal words of Julia Gillard and Mark Jones "moving forward". As you said having a few tins and a feed isnt being disrespectful to anybody.

If your local pollie wanted to ban all Oktoberfest parties because of what the Germans did in WW2 would we all be happy with that? I mean how dare we celebrate when the poor Jews got wiped out right?

Im not referencing Oz day specifically, (that discussion has been had), but this constant babble that the attitudes of 1788 are still prevalent today and how dare you celebrate your culture is what irks me.

We've improved all facets of our lives, we finally treat chicks, the gheys and the immigrants 50 billion times better now that what we did back then (and better than a lot of countries still do today).

I dont have anything to feel guilty about.

Pass me a t-bone please.

Sorry Plague - the treatment of minority groups today is no better than it was in the past. I'm actually surprised you would have fallen for the media bait on this one.
The main difference today is that discrimination now is more rampant / covering more groups / cohorts than it was in the past which makes it appear that certain minorities are getting a better deal.
Given a choice I'd choose to live in the 50's 60's and 70's anytime over what we have become in the last 30 odd years.
People have been travelling on a road to nowhere so long they have forgotten how good things used to be.

[WolfMan]

RE: moving the Hottest 100 - good idea. Ok, so it’s the next day and things are no better for the greater Aboriginal community.

But at least it allows for the day itself to be recognised and not diluted by an audio version of Countdown hosted by our mate Molly.

And on ANZAC day, it is a very different occasion on the other side of the acronym. No massive hordes getting white-girl wasted at watering holes across the ditch. And some might say, a more respectful and appropriate remembrance of those that have given their lives so that we may live ours

[boz-monaut]

yep move Straya Day to 8 May

you'd then basically get a two week Straya piss up at the end of summer - cunce could stay blind from 25 April

[plague]

Sorry Plague - the treatment of minority groups today is no better than it was in the past.


Given a choice I'd choose to live in the 50's 60's and 70's anytime over what we have become in the last 30 odd years.


I can’t vouch for if it was better or worse back in the good old days but with everyone having a camera these days busting your local ranting racist on the train is easier than ever.

(and god bless social media for it, call the ****ers out i say) but whether there’s ‘more’ or ‘less’ tolerance these days is not my hill to die on.

As for living in the ‘50/60/70’s
- 1962 Aboriginal people got to vote.
- 1984 it stopped being illegal for blokes to get it on together (the SA cops were still throwing gays in the river back in the early ‘70’s).

Again, now ain’t perfect, but it’s better for a hell of a lot of peeps out there.

[plague]

yep move Straya Day to 8 May


What is the significance of May 8?

[pv4]

What is the significance of May 8?

Mate :oops:

[plague]

Mate :oops:

Let me see is that the Star Wars day?

and of course it should be 21/8 but the United Nations has decreed that the greatest day in life.

Wait, is it Trumps birthday?

[pv4]

Star Wars Day is 4th of May = May the 4th be with you

May 8 = May Eight = MAYEIGHT = MEIGHT = MATE = maaaaaaaate

[Bon]

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[The Dunster]

I can’t vouch for if it was better or worse back in the good old days but with everyone having a camera these days busting your local ranting racist on the train is easier than ever.

(and god bless social media for it, call the ****ers out i say) but whether there’s ‘more’ or ‘less’ tolerance these days is not my hill to die on.

As for living in the ‘50/60/70’s
- 1962 Aboriginal people got to vote.
- 1984 it stopped being illegal for blokes to get it on together (the SA cops were still throwing gays in the river back in the early ‘70’s).

Again, now ain’t perfect, but it’s better for a hell of a lot of peeps out there.

2017 - Everyone can vote - but your vote doesn't count because the same khunts call all the shots regardless of which party is in government.
2017 - It's illegal to be a man. Instead you are legally bound to be an emasculated conformist.
2017 - Kids today are in terrible physical shape because they are either playing video games inside or forced to do hours of homework to "improve" their lives.
2017 - Women now have the right to work hard all day for a wage then come home and do it all again for no pay at all.
2017 - Body shaming is the new national pastime - taking PED's is now viewed as healthy [most of the time - until the plutocrats decide to stir up the masses - and confuse everyone].

[Wilso8948]

I feel the whole issue has moved away from Reconciliation. At what stage is forgiveness going to be at the forefront? Will moving a music vote do anything for the plight of Indigenous people? Or will it give Lefties a warm fuzzy feeling while stirring hate amongst the far right? Like others have said eventually we need to recognise the mistakes/failings of the past and learn from these. And while ever we are looking at happenings over 200 years ago we will miss some seriously good shit that occurs in everyday life. Forgiveness is the key to the closure many are seeking.

[The Dunster]

I feel the whole issue has moved away from Reconciliation. At what stage is forgiveness going to be at the forefront? Will moving a music vote do anything for the plight of Indigenous people? Or will it give Lefties a warm fuzzy feeling while stirring hate amongst the far right? Like others have said eventually we need to recognise the mistakes/failings of the past and learn from these. And while ever we are looking at happenings over 200 years ago we will miss some seriously good shit that occurs in everyday life. Forgiveness is the key to the closure many are seeking.

Pretty much.

The issue is that there is no "WE". The country is completely divided be it by race, culture, religion, economics, ideology... you name it.

The fact we are having these discussions via a computer / phone screen demonstrates that things won't be getting better anytime soon.

Left vs Right ? No such thing. We really only have right and extreme right now. The left was defeated a long time ago.

[belchardo]

Pretty much.

The issue is that there is no "WE". The country is completely divided be it by race, culture, religion, economics, ideology... you name it.

The fact we are having these discussions via a computer / phone screen demonstrates that things won't be getting better anytime soon.

Left vs Right ? No such thing. We really only have right and extreme right now. The left was defeated a long time ago.

john pilger is still kicking around somewhere ain't he?

[plague]

2017 - Everyone can vote - but your vote doesn't count because the same khunts call all the shots regardless of which party is in government.
emasculated conformist.


well we can argue the rest of your points are personal choices and the onus should be on the individual to deal with.



But



This first one I totally agree with.
Especially after the bullshit that was pulled in the Qld state election last weekend changing to compulsory preference voting.

It was the most corrupt and disgusting manipulation of the voting process we’ve prob ever seen but it got by without a whimper.

Now, before anyone starts, yes it was legal and it was super super clever, but that doesn’t make it fair.

Add to that the banning of certain legit businesses from being able to support a political party and the whole system needs to be burned the **** down.

Hopefully when we finally get a republic President Warnie can sort this mess out.

[The Dunster]

Mad man rant time.

Have a look at junior athletics times between 1960's to present and you will see that kids today are slower than both their parents and grand parents. No high tech training, no specialist diets, and certainly no supplements.
A lot of club records from the 60's and 70's still stand. Some of it can be explained by timing errors - but the majority of them are because of the nintendo effect.

Everything today is measured in dollars - and it's a massive problem because the perfect numeraire does not exist - and it's certainly not fiat money.

By saying this comes down to simply my opinion is a very cheap way out.

Body shaming - you'd have to be blind to not think it was a device used to manipulate behaviour for essentially monetary and political gain.

There are cases of island nations with no examples of eating disorders and the like for centuries - within a few years of reciving access to western media - bulimia / anorexia are effecting them.
Young men these days go to all sorts of lengths to look a certain way for fear of not being attractive to females.... or males.

It's so sad to see just how low the bar has been set.

Women - for every metre they gain in one respect they lose two in another. You can't fight nature and expect to win but the media have convinced women they can - and they are and will be paying a massive price for it.

Botox ? I mean ffs it looks ridiculous - but somehow with the right marketing campaigning it's a winner. The fact it makes cyanide look like tic tacs doesn't seem to bother anyone.

Aboriginal health - is a national disgrace.
Mental health today - again national disgrace
Youth unemployment ........ and so on.

Yet we all sit back and take pot shots at the victims.

Don't get me started on that Beyond Blue shit.. FMD there cannot be a bigger load of shit. You tell an employer you have depression issues and you are finished.

[hawk]

2017 - Everyone can vote - but your vote doesn't count because the same khunts call all the shots regardless of which party is in government.
2017 - It's illegal to be a man. Instead you are legally bound to be an emasculated conformist.
2017 - Kids today are in terrible physical shape because they are either playing video games inside or forced to do hours of homework to "improve" their lives.
2017 - Women now have the right to work hard all day for a wage then come home and do it all again for no pay at all.
2017 - Body shaming is the new national pastime - taking PED's is now viewed as healthy [most of the time - until the plutocrats decide to stir up the masses - and confuse everyone].

Wow, I didnt think anyone took notice of this. Not even men care about mens issues even though we are ALL portrayed and abhorrent bullying losers. Talk about general-ism.

Anyway. I see what you're getting at where some issues have improved but many more have arrived.

As for political parties, for me they're both fairly incompetent and somewhat corrupt and finding some party to align with each persons different ideals is impossible.

[hawk]

Botox ? I mean ffs it looks ridiculous - but somehow with the right marketing campaigning it's a winner. The fact it makes cyanide look like tic tacs doesn't seem to bother anyone.



No way. Youve missed the real problem. Thats women trying to out do each other, get artificial self satisfaction (narcissistic) and cheat ageing and if some slick doctor advertises it then say NO. Dont put that false guilt shit onto general Australia cause its getting boring. Same with smoking since the 90's. Most started cause they were weak or thought they were some big hero.

At some point people have to take real responsibility to help themselves. Some do and get nowhere, feel sorry those and is happening more often. Alot dont including many of the minorities you mentioned.

You too have been enormously sucked into believing supposed shame from the groups you perceived to have disappeared.

Of course i can see some of the stuff that you mentioned by the cashed up arrogant right but we have choices to avoid as well. If no one buys maccas in the world we could send them broke but that isnt happening though because humans are weak. We arent going too bad here.

[plague]

im with Hawk for the most part i blame the individual or getting sucked into the "keeping up with the Jones' hustle".
ive also got a young kid, he plays sport at least 4 times a week and eats super healthy (seriously dads, how hard is to cook up a steak and stir fry some veg for the little ones in your life).
All this on both parents working full time.

it can be done so i have a hard time hearing the sob stories.

but yeah for sure its tough on some people but by now if you havent worked out that Maccas will make ya fat and the dude from One Direction doesnt give a toss about you but just wants to sell you a ringtone then i feel i cant help ya.

[plague]

also: if the govt wants to subsidise something that will make society better, then make Foxtel free.

serious, the sooner these clowns get away from Free to air with those variety of dating shows and 'reality tv' the better.

mandate that everyone needs to have sport on all the time. inspire the little ones to grow up to be a Sam Kerr or Roy ODonovan not a ****ing Kardashian.

sometimes the easiest answers are the ones right on front of your face.

[parksey]

I feel the whole issue has moved away from Reconciliation. At what stage is forgiveness going to be at the forefront? Will moving a music vote do anything for the plight of Indigenous people? Or will it give Lefties a warm fuzzy feeling while stirring hate amongst the far right? Like others have said eventually we need to recognise the mistakes/failings of the past and learn from these. And while ever we are looking at happenings over 200 years ago we will miss some seriously good shit that occurs in everyday life. Forgiveness is the key to the closure many are seeking.

the argument triple j is making is they've moved it to take the political debate away from the countdown. it's big news now of course, and yeah it is a political statement, but in a few years time it'll just be normal.

if they didn't move it, every year it would be the same thing. they asked their listeners who voted in favour.

triple j does a lot for indigenous australians as far as providing a national platform for indigenous musicians, and supports several aboriginal and torres strait islander initiatives both financially and with coverage.

[The Dunster]

im with Hawk for the most part i blame the individual or getting sucked into the "keeping up with the Jones' hustle".
ive also got a young kid, he plays sport at least 4 times a week and eats super healthy (seriously dads, how hard is to cook up a steak and stir fry some veg for the little ones in your life).
All this on both parents working full time.

it can be done so i have a hard time hearing the sob stories.

but yeah for sure its tough on some people but by now if you havent worked out that Maccas will make ya fat and the dude from One Direction doesnt give a toss about you but just wants to sell you a ringtone then i feel i cant help ya.

Do kids actually organise sports / games among themselves these days ? When I was a kid I can remember us organising our own games from between the ages of 5 to 15 or so. Cricket, hockey, football, Union, League, Basketball, tennis, squash, golf, Ten Pin... you name it. We'd make it happen. We'd find a venue and we'd lob down with our gear and play. It wasn't an occasional thing either - it was practically every chance we had - we'd make it happen. On the days we didn't we'd be riding bikes, running..... and so on.

This sort of thing might still happen but in general I think online gaming between the kids has definitely replaced the in person sports fixes we had in the 60's and 70's.

A lot has changed no doubt but sport was very affordable back in my day - today that's simply not the case. Venues for playing have disappeared as well - much of where I spent my time playing sports as a kid has long since gone.

[plague]

the argument triple j is making is they've moved it to take the political debate away from the countdown. it's big news now of course, and yeah it is a political statement, but in a few years time it'll just be normal.


I will self edit here, i was fooled (hashtagfakenews) into thinking Triple J used the term 'Invasion Day' in their statement, when it was paraphrased by other news outlets.
upon reading the official statement it couldnt have been worded better.

thats my bad.

[hawk]

Do kids actually organise sports / games among themselves these days ? When I was a kid I can remember us organising our own games from between the ages of 5 to 15 or so. Cricket, hockey, football, Union, League, Basketball, tennis, squash, golf, Ten Pin... you name it. We'd make it happen. We'd find a venue and we'd lob down with our gear and play. It wasn't an occasional thing either - it was practically every chance we had - we'd make it happen. On the days we didn't we'd be riding bikes, running..... and so on.

This sort of thing might still happen but in general I think online gaming between the kids has definitely replaced the in person sports fixes we had in the 60's and 70's.

A lot has changed no doubt but sport was very affordable back in my day - today that's simply not the case. Venues for playing have disappeared as well - much of where I spent my time playing sports as a kid has long since gone.

Spot on for this one. Theres only so much pong you could handle and there was fk all fast food.

Apart from drugs and lack of entry level employment I see gambling as a big issue right now. Online at home is just too easy to through the house and family away which leads down to the other destructive behaviour.

[plague]

Do kids actually organise sports / games among themselves these days ? When I was a kid I can remember us organising our own games from between the ages of 5 to 15 or so.

this is a very important point.
no doubt back in the day more kids were probably thrashing around in their local parks doing their thing.
but yeah we live in a different world now.

sadly, but importantly, it on the parents to get off their asses and provide the kids with the opportunities. sadly a fair bit of sport these days is seen as glorified day care, and from my own experiences ive seen that the kids who lose interest in sport first are the ones whose oldies cant be bothered getting involved either.

and true, kids sport aint cheap. but if you cant afford nippers get em down the beach for an hour a week and get em out between the flags. ovals are plentiful and mostly free for a kick on a weekend or after school. get on a pushie round this beautiful city or go bushwalking up at Blackbutt.

[q-money]

Apart from drugs and lack of entry level employment I see gambling as a big issue right now. Online at home is just too easy to through the house and family away which leads down to the other destructive behaviour.
if you're predisposed to being a degen you'll always be a degen

dunno what the figures actually aren't the majority of serious problem gamblers pokie fiends? (i.e. actually out of the house lel)

if it is a growing issue - at least the kids are actually showing an interest in sport i guess

[hawk]

if you're predisposed to being a degen you'll always be a degen

dunno what the figures actually aren't the majority of serious problem gamblers pokie fiends? (i.e. actually out of the house lel)

if it is a growing issue - at least the kids are actually showing an interest in sport i guess

Yep the online Pokes is what I was aiming at although the Sportsbet dudes are doing alright. They'll probs get the sports kids in sooner or later then bam! i give up.

[The Dunster]

I see gambling as a big issue right now.

I cannot be held responsible for people following my KOTH selections.

In fact I'm pretty sure Plague ran a very convincing campaign warning people of the dangers as well.

[MFKS]

this is a very important point.
no doubt back in the day more kids were probably thrashing around in their local parks doing their thing.
but yeah we live in a different world now.

sadly, but importantly, it on the parents to get off their asses and provide the kids with the opportunities. sadly a fair bit of sport these days is seen as glorified day care, and from my own experiences ive seen that the kids who lose interest in sport first are the ones whose oldies cant be bothered getting involved either.

and true, kids sport aint cheap. but if you cant afford nippers get em down the beach for an hour a week and get em out between the flags. ovals are plentiful and mostly free for a kick on a weekend or after school. get on a pushie round this beautiful city or go bushwalking up at Blackbutt.

Hey kids need to take responsibility for themselves

I see it all the time with them

The 13-15 year old males with the I am bored mentality can't find anything to do

Lazy arse ****ers they are

They have the internet PlayStation DVD player multiple Tv stations etc (FFS when I get up it was ABC and NBN)

They have all these things to do and they can't even find shit to do ??

Lazy arse bludging shits

You never see the ****ers having a game of cricket or playing drugby league in the park or kicking a football about

Then they can go to the water like FFS we are blessed with fine beaches a large ****ing lake and a river

The kids these days are just lazy fools who can't find anything to do because they retarded enough that the only activity worth doing is if costs some **** money

Make all the excuses for them but it is their responsibility to occupy their ****ing time

[pv4]

The dick tower is being demolished. Discuss:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/5077958/queens-wharf-tower-to-be-demolished-next-year/?cs=305

[WolfMan]

RE: kids not running around outside - it may also be that parents are afraid of leaving their kids unattended with all the shit that goes on in the world these days. So unless every parent wants to go along with their kid to the park or whatever, it's probably not going to happen.

I'm not a parent, so I have no authority, just throwing it out there

[plague]

The dick tower is being demolished. Discuss:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/5077958/queens-wharf-tower-to-be-demolished-next-year/?cs=305

Seeing as though both central coast and now Sydney have useless oversized cocks the novelty has worn off for ours.

So yeah thank Hutcho and Matt Simon for it coming down.

[plague]

RE: kids not running around outside - it may also be that parents are afraid of leaving their kids unattended with all the shit that goes on in the world these days. So unless every parent wants to go along with their kid to the park or whatever, it's probably not going to happen.

I'm not a parent, so I have no authority, just throwing it out there

Yep that’s pretty much it.
The world is a different place, the opportunities for kids to get out there still abound but they need parents to get out there with em (In a lot of cases).

If parents don’t have time to spend outdoors with your kid doing something beneficial they prob just shouldn’t have kids. They aren’t pets.

[The Dunster]

Hey kids need to take responsibility for themselves

I see it all the time with them

The 13-15 year old males with the I am bored mentality can't find anything to do

Lazy arse ****ers they are

They have the internet PlayStation DVD player multiple Tv stations etc (FFS when I get up it was ABC and NBN)

They have all these things to do and they can't even find shit to do ??

Lazy arse bludging shits

You never see the ****ers having a game of cricket or playing drugby league in the park or kicking a football about

Then they can go to the water like FFS we are blessed with fine beaches a large ****ing lake and a river

The kids these days are just lazy fools who can't find anything to do because they retarded enough that the only activity worth doing is if costs some **** money

Make all the excuses for them but it is their responsibility to occupy their ****ing time

Good points member. The reason behind the changes in how young people occupy themselves is simply marketing. Previous generations like mine and I'm guessing yours were brought up as people / citizens. The current generations have been brought up as consumers. Therefore, from the day they were born they have been constantly marketed to as consumers - and as a result that's all they know. The subliminal messages from the marketing machine have these kids categorising everything in terms of money. If it's good it costs more , if it's shit it costs nothing - that's the perception anyway.

Then you have the gotta play this game, must have this phone, must wear these clothes, must look this way, must like this product, most hold this value / ideology..... and so on.

Hence, easy to blame the kids but a bit unfair given the barrage of marketing directed towards them - they never really had a chance to be honest.

Things are even more dire when for many of them jobs and a future are rather bleak. Many choose to give up rather than fail - to try and at least convince themselves it was their decision rather than accept that the system has rejected them.

[The Dunster]

Yep that’s pretty much it.
The world is a different place, the opportunities for kids to get out there still abound but they need parents to get out there with em (In a lot of cases).

If parents don’t have time to spend outdoors with your kid doing something beneficial they prob just shouldn’t have kids. They aren’t pets.

That's always been the case - what's changed though is in the past we had a sense of community. Everyone knew each other and tended to look out for them. So if you saw another persons kid in need of help, or indeed doing the wrong thing you sorted it out. Today, people don't know their neighbours let alone the name of a kid a few streets away, then there is also the fact people are shit scared of being sued... and so on for getting involved.

Again, it's just a massive marketing scare campaign.

Then in the same breath we have people [no offence to MFKS] wondering why kids cannot make a decision - the reason is that for many of them that option was taken away from them.

The world might be different but it's been blown out of proportion by the media and so on as a play for control over the masses, and it's worked for them.

We had serial killers, rapists, drug dealers... and so on in the 1960's as well. What we didn't have was Neo-Liberals running the show like we do now.

The Neo-liberals turned us from citizens into consumers and it's been shit ever since.

[pv4]

RE: kids not running around outside - it may also be that parents are afraid of leaving their kids unattended with all the shit that goes on in the world these days. So unless every parent wants to go along with their kid to the park or whatever, it's probably not going to happen.

I'm not a parent, so I have no authority, just throwing it out there

I went to reply my thoughts out but see Dunster's comments above ^ about how all those nasties existed back then too.

If anything shouldn't it be better nowadays because of technology, surveilance, etc? Back in Dunster's childhood if a dude grabbed a kid in a park you'd have a few witness reports. Now, people would live tweet that shit.

[plague]

ain’t never done met an 8,12 or 16yr old who controls the family purse strings.

Parents give in to it. they are the real suckers here.

[Macca]

ain’t never done met an 8,12 or 16yr old who controls the family purse strings.

Parents give in to it. they are the real suckers here.

Sorta the same thing innit though. People falling trap to marketing and societal pressures.

And as for technology making the world safer, it probably does.. the problem is the 24 hour news cycle and news turning into a ratings machine and a form of controlled media release. This "news" shapes peoples' perceptions of the world and when we're constantly bombarded by kidnappings, bombings, terror attacks, pedophilia, sexual predators etc etc is it any wonder people are more scared these days?

Probably agree with Dunst about the community thing, personally have pretty much nothing to do with direct next door neighbours let alone people down the road or the next street over. When everyone knows everyone there's a lot less mystery and a lot more secure feel around.

[MFKS]

Sorta the same thing innit though. People falling trap to marketing and societal pressures.

And as for technology making the world safer, it probably does.. the problem is the 24 hour news cycle and news turning into a ratings machine and a form of controlled media release. This "news" shapes peoples' perceptions of the world and when we're constantly bombarded by kidnappings, bombings, terror attacks, pedophilia, sexual predators etc etc is it any wonder people are more scared these days?

Probably agree with Dunst about the community thing, personally have pretty much nothing to do with direct next door neighbours let alone people down the road or the next street over. When everyone knows everyone there's a lot less mystery and a lot more secure feel around.

I am not any more scared in this day and age as I was 25 years ago

Probably has a lot to do with the fact I don't watch normal ****ing TV so I probably miss most of the advertising scaremongering shit

But that is still the person's choice to believe the hype and bullshit from the media.

Look at the whole ****ing T thing since 9-11 what we had in Australia since?? A nutter in a coffee shop killing 2 is about it

Look at all the fear mongering and scare campaigns have managed to achieve for events as likely as Gypos winning a GF

People are absolutely petrified of the prospect of T and for what reason ??

It doesn't really happen

[The Dunster]

ain’t never done met an 8,12 or 16yr old who controls the family purse strings.

Parents give in to it. they are the real suckers here.

They do - that's why marketing towards children and teens is so rigorous. The car industry has for many years targeted children because of their strong influence in their parents purchasing decisions.

Parents give in because they are time constrained or simply don't want the hassles they get at work to follow them home I guess.

There is also parents spending more than they can truly afford on golden tickets to the Wonka Factory [Private Education]. Because it's a better education - it's not - it's more or less membership to a cult.

[Wilso8948]

Regarding kids activity levels - I see huge amounts of parents telling their kids to be more active, go find something to do and amuse themselves, only to slip straight back into scrolling through social media on their phones, immersing themselves in work emails, nailing another bigmac or general vegging around. I'm someone with high activity levels and even I'm guilty of it. Sometimes I'd like to see less of the whole "back in my day" statements and more of the whole showing kids that you can still be active, play outside, entertain yourself without the need for technology. Kids are ultimately a product of their parents.

[WolfMan]

Just to quantify my statement - parents should and I’m sure do get out and about with their kids on physical activities, or even just low-key supervising kids playing amongst each other.

But the old tales of running around with neighbourhood kids til dinner time was a daily ritual for me, at least in my primary school years.

My parents didn’t have time to supervise me all the time, nor did they need to.

Dinner still needs to be cooked etc.

[plague]

Parents give in because they are time constrained or simply don't want the hassles they get at work to follow them home I guess.



These people should not be having kids.

That’s my only point here.

[The Dunster]

Regarding kids activity levels - I see huge amounts of parents telling their kids to be more active, go find something to do and amuse themselves, only to slip straight back into scrolling through social media on their phones, immersing themselves in work emails, nailing another bigmac or general vegging around. I'm someone with high activity levels and even I'm guilty of it. Sometimes I'd like to see less of the whole "back in my day" statements and more of the whole showing kids that you can still be active, play outside, entertain yourself without the need for technology. Kids are ultimately a product of their parents.

Notice how we are attacking the most vulnerable in society here and aiming absolutely nothing at the Plutocrats in charge of the system.

If this actually happened the plutocrats would find a way to innovate around it and bring these kids back into line as consumers very quickly.

The majority of the worlds wealth is held by less than 200 individuals. These people control pretty much everything from the financial system to ultimately what to produce, when to produce it , and for whom to produce it.
On top of that they pay no tax which ultimately means their incomes are surplus to their productive value to society. This has nothing to do with funding government spending. It's about the fact that this surplus income leads to asset price spikes and complete ownership of essential services - ultimately leading to a too big to fail type scenario which will see Governments and Central Banks throwing billions of people under the bus to save less than 200 individuals.

[The Dunster]

These people should not be having kids.

That’s my only point here.

Agree with you one billion percent Plague on this issue. But unfortunately the grand design of humans is rather flawed when it comes to fertility.
And from an economic perspective, the current system is designed to function primarily on consumption - and consumption through people spending more than they earn.
Information / services are a quick and easy dollar for the elites - actual manufacturing of sports goods not so much - hence kids playing at the park and so on doesn't produce enough surplus income for the elites.

[MFKS]

Notice how we are attacking the most vulnerable in society here and aiming absolutely nothing at the Plutocrats in charge of the system.

If this actually happened the plutocrats would find a way to innovate around it and bring these kids back into line as consumers very quickly.

The majority of the worlds wealth is held by less than 200 individuals. These people control pretty much everything from the financial system to ultimately what to produce, when to produce it , and for whom to produce it.
On top of that they pay no tax which ultimately means their incomes are surplus to their productive value to society. This has nothing to do with funding government spending. It's about the fact that this surplus income leads to asset price spikes and complete ownership of essential services - ultimately leading to a too big to fail type scenario which will see Governments and Central Banks throwing billions of people under the bus to save less than 200 individuals.

Seperate issue the wealthy elite and what we discussing here

Being a lazy fat **** these days is almost a birth right for this generation

Just look at how there is a complete lack of self responsibility for people's decisions that effect their lives.


Like FFS it ain't McDonalds fault you are a fat ****. It is your choice to eat their food and sit on your arse all day

[MFKS]

Just to quantify my statement - parents should and I’m sure do get out and about with their kids on physical activities, or even just low-key supervising kids playing amongst each other.

But the old tales of running around with neighbourhood kids til dinner time was a daily ritual for me, at least in my primary school years.

My parents didn’t have time to supervise me all the time, nor did they need to.

Dinner still needs to be cooked etc.

Interesting thing is that the amount of people who think picking up take out junk food saves time compared to cooking a healthy meal

Like FFS 10/15 mins and you can cook some meat vegetables can be cooked under the bare minimum amount of supervision

Ain't ****ing hard to do

Cooking food for your family isn't an imposition on you and if it is you probably need to reassess your priorities

[WolfMan]

Interesting thing is that the amount of people who think picking up take out junk food saves time compared to cooking a healthy meal

Like FFS 10/15 mins and you can cook some meat vegetables can be cooked under the bare minimum amount of supervision

Ain't ****ing hard to do

Cooking food for your family isn't an imposition on you and if it is you probably need to reassess your priorities

That’s not my point.

I’m saying nobody can be in 2 places at once. If everyone needs to be fed, someone has to cook (agree with your sentiments on fast food BTW).

So it could be a choice between playing outside/ doing some sort of fun activity with your kids, or cooking them a nice meal.

If I ever have kids, hopefully I will feel confident and safe enough to let them run around with their friends until dinner time.

But I’m not a parent, may never decide to have children. What I forecast and the reality of being a parent are I’m sure worlds apart.

What role does the ever-increasing load of homework play in the lower activity levels of children?

Again, this is coming from someone with no dependents, but ideally I would love to tell any kids I had to play outside until dinner, then do an hour of homework before bathing and bed etc.

Whatever they get done in that hour is enough for me. If their teacher doesn’t like it, they can take it up with me

Any parents of school-aged kids have an accurate take on this?

[The Dunster]

Seperate issue the wealthy elite and what we discussing here

Being a lazy fat **** these days is almost a birth right for this generation

Just look at how there is a complete lack of self responsibility for people's decisions that effect their lives.


Like FFS it ain't McDonalds fault you are a fat ****. It is your choice to eat their food and sit on your arse all day

To say that the wealthy elites are another issue is to suggest they don't have any influences on peoples decisions. The simple truth though is that they do - it's called supplier induced demand.

I'm not disagreeing with you though on how people need to accept more responsibility - but to have them shoulder all the blame is not right either. These people are the victims of marketing directed at separating people from their money.
For whatever reasons, people get to the stage when it's just easier for them to buy food rather than go to the trouble of cooking it themselves which involves shopping, parking... and so on. Take away in general is always going to be faster when you take into account the steps actually involved in buying ingredients, preparing, and cooking a mean for a family. Not to mention the satisfaction of having others do something for you for a change when you have sent all day running around satisfying the demands of others at work - take away is in a sense an escape from work / a holiday / rest.

Myself, I occasionally eat take out or go to a restaurant - but in general we shop everyday and cook all meals with fresh ingredients and pretty much make everything from scratch.
However, money and time is not an issue for us and we don't have to schedule our lives around children and work. When you have four kids or so to feed and need to work around their schedules it's not so easy - and remember also that kids schedules are often beyond their control as well..

[MFKS]

To say that the wealthy elites are another issue is to suggest they don't have any influences on peoples decisions. The simple truth though is that they do - it's called supplier induced demand.

I'm not disagreeing with you though on how people need to accept more responsibility - but to have them shoulder all the blame is not right either. These people are the victims of marketing directed at separating people from their money.
For whatever reasons, people get to the stage when it's just easier for them to buy food rather than go to the trouble of cooking it themselves which involves shopping, parking... and so on. Take away in general is always going to be faster when you take into account the steps actually involved in buying ingredients, preparing, and cooking a mean for a family. Not to mention the satisfaction of having others do something for you for a change when you have sent all day running around satisfying the demands of others at work - take away is in a sense an escape from work / a holiday / rest.

Myself, I occasionally eat take out or go to a restaurant - but in general we shop everyday and cook all meals with fresh ingredients and pretty much make everything from scratch.
However, money and time is not an issue for us and we don't have to schedule our lives around children and work. When you have four kids or so to feed and need to work around their schedules it's not so easy - and remember also that kids schedules are often beyond their control as well..

It is a lazyness thing with people

Regardless of how much the media is manipulating them to believe shit is a certain way it still their decision

I get sick and tired of people saying I can't lose weight etc
Yet the same person can't say no to a slice of cake when offered
Yet the same person can't go for some exercise as they don't have time etc

Reality is if they wanted to lose weight they could say no to the cake and could find the time to exercise

Problem is that they are weak and make excuses for their failings

Denying oneself things to achieve something isn't that hard if you are not weak

Anything is achievable when you are able to deny yourself something you want

[hawk]

Kids are ultimately a product of their parents.

oooh yeah nature v nurture
This can be true. earings and rats on the 8 yo lad like dad but ive also seen asshole kids come from decent families as well eg 2 professionals and one low down crim.
Probs both applies.
Maybe its Qdots eg degen gonna be has some merit.

So which suburb might buys more Maccas St.Ives or Mac fields? yep socio econmic Q here

[The Dunster]

oooh yeah nature v nurture
This can be true. earings and rats on the 8 yo lad like dad but ive also seen asshole kids come from decent families as well eg 2 professionals and one low down crim.
Probs both applies.
Maybe its Qdots eg degen gonna be has some merit.

So which suburb might buys more Maccas St.Ives or Mac fields? yep socio econmic Q here

Screw Maccas at St Ives Hawk - Thai at Terrey Hills on Mccarrs Creek Rd is absolutely sensational. Besides the only Maccas at St Ives is in the shopping centre and it closes too early.
As far as parents influences on children it's difficult to measure. Incomes has a bit to do with it but it's a stronger correlation in Britain than it is in the USA and stronger in the USA than it is Australia.
The other measurement problem is trying to determine if a child who becomes an unemployed drug addict is worse than someone who earns seven figures with a coke / heroin problem that contributes nothing to society other than grief through mergers and acquisitions.
One thing we definitely know is that higher income earners consume a lot more alcohol than the low income earners do. With respect to illegal drugs it's the other way around in terms of usage but not quite as easy to determine in purely dollar terms.

[Wilso8948]

oooh yeah nature v nurture
This can be true. earings and rats on the 8 yo lad like dad but ive also seen asshole kids come from decent families as well eg 2 professionals and one low down crim.
Probs both applies.
Maybe its Qdots eg degen gonna be has some merit.

So which suburb might buys more Maccas St.Ives or Mac fields? yep socio econmic Q here

Ahh yes I've seen it too. Professional parents with a crim of a son. Problem is they focused entirely on bettering their career and gave the whole "butter wouldn't melt" approach to their son whilst failing to give any attention/affection throughout his early years. Often we have to look at the big picture. And I stand by my statement that in majority of cases a person is ultimately a product of their parents.

[Wilso8948]

Screw Maccas at St Ives Hawk - Thai at Terrey Hills on Mccarrs Creek Rd is absolutely sensational. Besides the only Maccas at St Ives is in the shopping centre and it closes too early.
As far as parents influences on children it's difficult to measure. Incomes has a bit to do with it but it's a stronger correlation in Britain than it is in the USA and stronger in the USA than it is Australia.
The other measurement problem is trying to determine if a child who becomes an unemployed drug addict is worse than someone who earns seven figures with a coke / heroin problem that contributes nothing to society other than grief through mergers and acquisitions.
One thing we definitely know is that higher income earners consume a lot more alcohol than the low income earners do. With respect to illegal drugs it's the other way around in terms of usage but not quite as easy to determine in purely dollar terms.

haha the corporate salesman discussing regional NSW ice epidemic and junkies infiltrating social housing whilst racking another line of coke gearing up for a big weekend off from selling overpriced funeral insurance to vulnerable over 50s.

[The Dunster]

haha the corporate salesman discussing regional NSW ice epidemic and junkies infiltrating social housing whilst racking another line of coke gearing up for a big weekend off from selling overpriced funeral insurance to over vulnerable over 50s.

Five star post.

[The Dunster]

Banking Royal commission should be a good laugh. Scotty M is already going into bat for the banks and overstating their importance to the economy
Banks made billions for themselves and their finacial planners managed to offer poor advice to customers - bankrupting far too many of them.
The banks only exist because of arrangements with the government and RBA.
Morrison taking the too big to fail line of thinking shows he's not fit for the job and should resign. Note he's a certainty to work for them when he leaves parliament.

[plague]

Banking Royal commission should be a good laugh.

add in the trade unions and the catholics.

"yeah boys, lets bring in the biggest lobby groups in Canberra so we can wag our fingers at them and grab some dinner and drinks while they are in town".

anyone who gives more than 3 seconds of their time to this sort of horseshit is an idiot.

[plague]

haha the corporate salesman discussing regional NSW ice epidemic and junkies infiltrating social housing whilst racking another line of coke gearing up for a big weekend off from selling overpriced funeral insurance to vulnerable over 50s.

whoa whoa whoa, we dont all sell insurance.

[Macca]

Banking Royal commission should be a good laugh. Scotty M is already going into bat for the banks and overstating their importance to the economy
Banks made billions for themselves and their finacial planners managed to offer poor advice to customers - bankrupting far too many of them.
The banks only exist because of arrangements with the government and RBA.
Morrison taking the too big to fail line of thinking shows he's not fit for the job and should resign. Note he's a certainty to work for them when he leaves parliament.

Shame its not being done properly. I think I read $75m allocated to it and they have a year to dig up whatever they can and call it a day. They also waited until the banks agreed to it before deciding to go ahead. Sure officer, come search my property - would you just give me 15 minutes first?
Libs just checking the box to say they've done it.

Can we get a royal commission into shit internet next?

[The Dunster]

The Harvey Weinstein Effect has made its way to Australia. Having known people in the industry the Don Burke stuff was not a surprise - pretty much anyone that worked with the bloke said he was a khunt of epic proportions for more reasons than how he treated women - he treated everyone like shit apparently.

Not to make light any of what happened to the women here but some of the shit I'm reading from experts about how men treat women and why is simply ridiculous. Basically, men are rapists that see women purely as sexual objects - but women on the other hand are 100% pure of heart and treat all men equally with the highest of respect.

Really ? I'd say the mix of women treating men like shit would be just as alarming. Men don't commit suicide three to four times more than women because they are getting the best deal in life.

If women can seek a man because of his looks, status, wealth... and so on why can't men do the same ?

I mean when was the last time you saw an attractive woman with an ugly, out of shape, poor guy ? Rarely, and when you do it's a short term faze until something better comes along.

The sexual harassment and poor treatment of both women and men is a serious problem - but if the current crop of experts are all we have to find a solution things can only get worse.

Rather than further divide the sexes by attempting to homogenise them surely it would be better to celebrate the differences? Much like we are starting to with ssm and so on.

We can no more choose our gender than we can our sexuality - but from all the crap I'm reading about how men need to change I'm not so sure people actually have any viewpoint other than the ones popularised to them via marketing campaigns.

[Macca]

The Harvey Weinstein Effect has made its way to Australia. Having known people in the industry the Don Burke stuff was not a surprise - pretty much anyone that worked with the bloke said he was a khunt of epic proportions for more reasons than how he treated women - he treated everyone like shit apparently.

Not to make light any of what happened to the women here but some of the shit I'm reading from experts about how men treat women and why is simply ridiculous. Basically, men are rapists that see women purely as sexual objects - but women on the other hand are 100% pure of heart and treat all men equally with the highest of respect.

Really ? I'd say the mix of women treating men like shit would be just as alarming. Men don't commit suicide three to four times more than women because they are getting the best deal in life.

If women can seek a man because of his looks, status, wealth... and so on why can't men do the same ?

I mean when was the last time you saw an attractive woman with an ugly, out of shape, poor guy ? Rarely, and when you do it's a short term faze until something better comes along.

The sexual harassment and poor treatment of both women and men is a serious problem - but if the current crop of experts are all we have to find a solution things can only get worse.

Rather than further divide the sexes by attempting to homogenise them surely it would be better to celebrate the differences? Much like we are starting to with ssm and so on.

We can no more choose our gender than we can our sexuality - but from all the crap I'm reading about how men need to change I'm not so sure people actually have any viewpoint other than the ones popularised to them via marketing campaigns.

Irks me a fair bit when you hear people being lynched for off the cuff remarks or jokes etc that are said to a small audience that are then reported in media and the original guy is a pig and how dare the "locker room talk" sexualise women etc etc.
Like sure, some people take it a step too far with their humour but the response should be a shake of the head and a "this guy", not people getting fired from jobs and demolished in media.

As you've said, women have their own "banter" and "locker room talk" etc but for some reason this is never mentioned, only the degree to which all men are sexist pigs.

[Jetmaster]

So true - apparently the Chippendales are just good, clean fun for the girls.

And for some reason it is OK to put up a "fireman" calendar at work.

And "female friendly" norty movies are nicer - look the bloody same to me!

[plague]

Irks me a fair bit when you hear people being lynched for off the cuff remarks or jokes etc that are said to a small audience that are then reported in media and the original guy is a pig and how dare the "locker room talk" sexualise women etc etc.
Like sure, some people take it a step too far with their humour but the response should be a shake of the head and a "this guy", not people getting fired from jobs and demolished in media.


yeah look im ok with assholes getting called out but yeah it would be nice if the outrage was comparable to the crime.
blokes out there raping chicks/burn in hell.
blokes out there being sexist pigs/sort yo shit out.

but yeah looks like social justice only has one gear.



all that said though, **** that Geoffrey Rush dude though. bloke seems like a proper asshole. he can burn.

[Macca]

but yeah looks like social justice only has one gear.


pretty much

[Wilso8948]

What I'm a bit over is the way the media portrays these figures as "powerful" or "megastars" like these women should be fearful about opening up. The real concern is why aren't they comfortable to bur up in the first place and shut these douchebags down. These aren't men that should be "feared". He had a gardening show ffs. And don't give me the whole "yes but it would ruin their career" shit. I want females and males for that matter to have some self respect and give back to these knobs. And if it'll ruin their careers then realise that it isn't an industry they want to be in for the rest of their lives.

[The Dunster]

What I'm a bit over is the way the media portrays these figures as "powerful" or "megastars" like these women should be fearful about opening up. The real concern is why aren't they comfortable to bur up in the first place and shut these douchebags down. These aren't men that should be "feared". He had a gardening show ffs. And don't give me the whole "yes but it would ruin their career" shit. I want females and males for that matter to have some self respect and give back to these knobs. And if it'll ruin their careers then realise that it isn't an industry they want to be in for the rest of their lives.

Umm don't let don burkes public persona fool you. He's not a soft khunt like you assume. You also need to know that tv types are often very quiet and reserved - so someone like Burke is a rude awakening for most in the industry. People feared him both mentally and physically.

[Wilso8948]

Umm don't let don burkes public persona fool you. He's not a soft khunt like you assume. You also need to know that tv types are often very quiet and reserved - so someone like Burke is a rude awakening for most in the industry. People feared him both mentally and physically.
See having that outlook on him just gives him power. He preys on weakness and shouldn't be portrayed as someone women should fear. Move on and see him as the loser he really is.

[The Dunster]

See having that outlook on him just gives him power. He preys on weakness and shouldn't be portrayed as someone women should fear. Move on and see him as the loser he really is.

No you have it totally wrong. The bloke didn't solely attack weak targets - he attacked everyone. Back in the day he was fearless - he'd treat you like shit regardless of your sex, size, or status. He's not a coward who only targeted the weak - he's a very aggressive khunt.

I know this sounds ridiculous and I thought the same when I first heard it thirty years or so ago. Note: the stories I heard about him were about aggression and just being an all round khunt towards anyone - not him praying on women exclusively.

[Wilso8948]

No you have it totally wrong. The bloke didn't solely attack weak targets - he attacked everyone. Back in the day he was fearless - he'd treat you like shit regardless of your sex, size, or status. He's not a coward who only targeted the weak - he's a very aggressive khunt.

I know this sounds ridiculous and I thought the same when I first heard it thirty years or so ago. Note: the stories I heard about him were about aggression and just being an all round khunt towards anyone - not him praying on women exclusively.

If he was like that (I've heard stories as well) then he most certainly is a weak coward Khunt. It takes strength to treat those with a lesser "status" than you with respect.
Also how does someone like that get away without being bashed the **** out of? Like honestly at what stage does someone get over that shit and knock him into next week?

[The Dunster]

If he was like that (I've heard stories as well) then he most certainly is a weak coward Khunt. It takes strength to treat those with a lesser "status" than you with respect.
Also how does someone like that get away without being bashed the **** out of? Like honestly at what stage does someone get over that shit and knock him into next week?

Imagine facing a jury back then for bashing gardening hero Don Burke - they'd be calling to get the death penalty reinstated. Now that his profile is not so big he's an easier mark - but back then it would not have been so simple.

[plague]

If he was like that (I've heard stories as well) then he most certainly is a weak coward Khunt. It takes strength to treat those with a lesser "status" than you with respect.
Also how does someone like that get away without being bashed the **** out of? Like honestly at what stage does someone get over that shit and knock him into next week?

Because he was signing the cheques.
People’s ability to put up with a certain level of disrespect is generally tied to their mortgage and love of disposable income.

Burke always defended his rep by saying it was his name on the marquee so any poor review of the show was a poor review of him.

As Dunster said it can easily be passed off as being a perfectionist.

But yeah, his employees obviously loved that payslip coming through.

[MFKS]

So what exactly is Don Burke's crime here??

That he hits on women in a sleazy manner

**** me

How many people on this planet are born because their dad was the same hitting on their mother by being crude and rude??

I backing quite a bit

[plague]

So what exactly is Don Burke's crime here??

That he hits on women in a sleazy manner


so far, yes.

and thats the folly with imposing 2017 sensibilities on 1980's society.

not a new thing however, the hippies love trying to tell me that Invasion Day was all my fault too.

Funny, i must have been drunk because i dont remember anything*











*there is a fair chance both Dunster and Jetmaster were alive in 1788 but there is nothing to suggest they participated in any of these events.

[MFKS]

so far, yes.

and thats the folly with imposing 2017 sensibilities on 1980's society.

not a new thing however, the hippies love trying to tell me that Invasion Day was all my fault too.

Funny, i must have been drunk because i dont remember anything*











*there is a fair chance both Dunster and Jetmaster were alive in 1788 but there is nothing to suggest they participated in any of these events.

But are they really 2017 sensibilities??

I guarantee you can go out to any Newy nightspot tonight and see plenty of Newy blokes chase the Newy Birds by pulling out just as many sleazy moves as Don Bourke would back in the day he was a star

Quite frankly I think this is just more a ploy to neuter the male population into submission by bullying tactics from females

Quite frankly I am in Burke's backyard here

Men need to grow a pair and stick to their guns here

[hawk]

What I'm a bit over is the way the media portrays these figures as "powerful" or "megastars" .

Problem right there. Peeps loved suking their dicks for decades because they're on tv or movies. They arent anything special ffs. Then when they try to get everyone they cant understand no.

Sooner the stupids shun movie/tv/sports celebs the better.

[belchardo]

barnaby re-elected with an increased vote. 75% to 25% to the labor

windsor not running probably means a fair chunk of votes were on the move.

[parksey]

So what exactly is Don Burke's crime here??

That he hits on women in a sleazy manner

**** me

How many people on this planet are born because their dad was the same hitting on their mother by being crude and rude??

I backing quite a bit

That is a ridiculous over-simplification of what's alleged here.

If you've read the accusations and think it's just a bit of harmless banter, I can't help you.

Anyone who acted like that around me would be no friend of mine.

Now, the Geoffrey Rush thing seems like a beat up. Burke seems like a monster.

[plague]

But are they really 2017 sensibilities??

I guarantee you can go out to any Newy nightspot tonight and see plenty of Newy blokes chase the Newy Birds by pulling out just as many sleazy moves as Don Bourke would back in the day he was a star

ok well here is where i think the lines are.

Out in town, at a bar, blokes are gonna have a dig. but if a bloke cant take no for an answer then yeah he deserves whatevers coming (just because a chick is hot doesnt mean you get to be a wally around her).

Tinder, well heres where i find it interesting. The stuff that gets said on here is way worse than old Donny ever offered up (from what we know so far).
But again, Tinder kind of has an implication that you know what youre there for.

now, in the workplace, none of that shit should be acceptable. and yes, its even worse if you then abuse your power to punish someone for not taking you up on the offer.

so yeah, the behaviours havent changed, but these days the playing fields are pretty well marked.

[MFKS]

That is a ridiculous over-simplification of what's alleged here.

If you've read the accusations and think it's just a bit of harmless banter, I can't help you.

Anyone who acted like that around me would be no friend of mine.

Now, the Geoffrey Rush thing seems like a beat up. Burke seems like a monster.

Over simplifying it ??

As opposed to the over exaggerating going on by all and sundry at the moment because Don Burke is a red blooded male who apparently likes ****ing women and not men and is active in pursuing his interest in getting himself some action??

Me I not really shocked as males are hard wired into their DNA to want to **** everything that moves


Anyone who acted like that around you would be getting much more action than you and be a great wing man for you to hang off

Women actually respond to sleazy behaviour. Don't kid yourself they don't

[parksey]

Over simplifying it ??

As opposed to the over exaggerating going on by all and sundry at the moment because Don Burke is a red blooded male who apparently likes ****ing women and not men and is active in pursuing his interest in getting himself some action??

Me I not really shocked as males are hard wired into their DNA to want to **** everything that moves


Anyone who acted like that around you would be getting much more action than you and be a great wing man for you to hang off

Women actually respond to sleazy behaviour. Don't kid yourself they don't

"Does your **** open up like that flower?"

Do you use that one often? I bet you're a real charmer.

[The Dunster]

"Does your **** open up like that flower?"

Do you use that one often? I bet you're a real charmer.

Parksey seriously ? Your generation [not you personally] has taken meaningless sex and promiscuity to an entirely new level of low that even the acid fuelled 60's can't compete with.

I know many of these blokes MFKS describes - and a lot of them have been married for over 30 years - to the same females they put those moves on.

Once the hook is set things change - but overall, it's no worse than what goes down these days - like people being attracted to each other isn't mostly sexual.

If it wasn't true then why do we even have a type or ideal image of a male or female that is considered "attractive"?

Oh and as far as lines go:

My fav.

Can I buy you a drink or would you prefer the money ?

[MFKS]

"Does your **** open up like that flower?"

Do you use that one often? I bet you're a real charmer.

For a start it just a crude euphemism to describe sexual activity so don't make it out to be anything else with feigned mock offensive outrage

Me I wouldn't use that line as it not me
My method less in your face
But I a big believer in being direct

You be surprised how effective it is at getting women across the line


Though I know people who are in your face and trust me they would use it they do use worse and they would work for them

[parksey]

We're not arguing about what the best pick up lines are.

This is about a man consistently harassing unsuspecting women at work over the space of a decade or more. He used sexually vulgar language and actions to intimidate and degrade people, whether he knew them well or not.

I actually have a colleague who he called repeatedly "just to chat" after a innocuous interview. We're not talking about being a bit overzealous at the bar.

[plague]

We're not arguing about what the best pick up lines are.

This is about a man consistently harassing unsuspecting women at work over the space of a decade or more. He used sexually vulgar language and actions to intimidate and degrade people, whether he knew them well or not.

I actually have a colleague who he called repeatedly "just to chat" after a innocuous interview. We're not talking about being a bit overzealous at the bar.

Attn Member: ive highlighted the key words here to make it easier for you.

[The Dunster]

We're not arguing about what the best pick up lines are.

This is about a man consistently harassing unsuspecting women at work over the space of a decade or more. He used sexually vulgar language and actions to intimidate and degrade people, whether he knew them well or not.

I actually have a colleague who he called repeatedly "just to chat" after a innocuous interview. We're not talking about being a bit overzealous at the bar.

Unfortunately Parksey blokes behave like Don Burke because it actually for many of them produces the best results. Sure it's a brute force rather than efficient means to a solution - but it actually works more often than it should.

Would I do it ? Absolutely not. Do I think it's poor form ? Again yes. But there is a lot of female behaviours as well that is in very poor form which is rarely if ever mentioned.

Overall the problem is that enough women are attracted to controversy / excitement / drama to make a lot of men do the Don Burke type thing.

It's not the women's fault - it's just how it is. It's no different than how women pretty much sum up blokes within the first minute or so of meeting them pretty much solely based on looks. When a bloke doesn't feel he has the look to qualify so to speak they roll the dice on making themselves look exciting / controversial.

The thing is, if these blokes are nice and respectful to women they will in most cases be single / dateless for the rest of their lives. Because the women won't give them the time of day.

The other side of the coin is this - what about women that friend zone a bloke ? How is that any different ? especially when the bloke has made a serious effort only to not have the right look or bank balance.....

Obviously not sayng a boke buys a meal he should get dessert either - but not being direct from both parties causes problems.

Don Burke's crossed the line here but the problem is far deeper than just the actions of men like him. As always regulation will go too far and wipe out courting altogether for most men - and yet it will do nothing to stop pricks like Don Bourke doing what they do.

[The Dunster]

Attn Member: ive highlighted the key words here to make it easier for you.

yes. You wouldn't expect females wanting media type careers to be throwing it out there to advance their careers.

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[MFKS]

We're not arguing about what the best pick up lines are.

This is about a man consistently harassing unsuspecting women at work over the space of a decade or more. He used sexually vulgar language and actions to intimidate and degrade people, whether he knew them well or not.

I actually have a colleague who he called repeatedly "just to chat" after a innocuous interview. We're not talking about being a bit overzealous at the bar.

No this is about a man being himself back 20/30 years ago and you trying to hold him up to your new age standards

Since when does Don Burke actually stop being at work being he is a celebrity etc??

Is it just when he in a garden ??

Or is it a 24-7 thing for him ??


You brought up your friend whom he called after an interview.





I assume once the interviews done and dusted he still at work in your eyes if he tries hitting on her a few days later despite the fact he may have been out of his back yard laying on his couch in his socks and jocks one day and picked up the phone to contact your friend to see what he could get happening with her??

Exactly what crime is he committing by being sleazy and aggressively pursuing sex??

Has had raped anyone??
Has he touched someone up??


He just a man chasing sex hard using an approach you don't agree with

[hawk]

No you have it totally wrong. The bloke didn't solely attack weak targets - he attacked everyone. Back in the day he was fearless - he'd treat you like shit regardless of your sex, size, or status. He's not a coward who only targeted the weak - he's a very aggressive khunt.

This x 1000. Its about total (anti)social behaviour toward all people not just at women and it must change. Women and men must be safe and free from harassment.

Note that if his assholedom was aimed soley at men it wouldnt be an issue.

Only recently where female bullying has been taken seriously and pulled up in work places ive been at but it doesnt make the media because it doesnt resonate with feminazi ideologies of which largely are big online media pushers

[MFKS]

Attn Member: ive highlighted the key words here to make it easier for you.

One of the people digging the knife into him was Jessica Rowe

Claims on some panel chat show she was horrified by Don Burke announcing he "liked a good ****" when they were discussing swearing

Claims she was offended

By what???

His swearing or his comedy??

Like gee whiz

A Journalist getting offended by that needs to really give it up

[plague]

One of the people digging the knife into him was Jessica Rowe

Claims on some panel chat show she was horrified by Don Burke announcing he "liked a good ****" when they were discussing swearing

Claims she was offended

By what???

His swearing or his comedy??

Like gee whiz

A Journalist getting offended by that needs to really give it up

Totally agree with this sort of stuff.

To me that ‘sounds’ pretty inoffensive, and the fact it comes out years later is garbage.

But I ain’t talking about that type of behaviour.

The Weinstein case especially was a dude Way out of line who used that power to shut accusers down. That’s the stuff I ain’t cool with.

Again, if Weinstein did that shit on Tinder or at the pub it’s a different issue, but his crimes were in the workplace and that should never be acceptable.

Again as per my earlier post, people trying to lump Burke in with Weinstein are kidding themselves.

[plague]

One thing that does interest me about today vs ‘the good ole days’ is that it ‘seems’ we were much nicer to each other back in the day, and we certainly showed more respect to authority and elders back then yeah?

The anonymity of social media has turned people into right ****s.

The world has never been so offensive yet so easily offended.

[The Dunster]

Same destination different path here but how about how we tell people to never give up and never take no for an answer when it comes to business ventures, sport and so on when facing adversity.

Yet when it comes to relationships the rules suddenly change. Mixed message or what . No wonder the people at the top of the social and business tree are often arseholes / narcissists - and yet we all cry foul when they treat people like a business transaction.

This is my opinion not based on facts or rigorous data / studies but I view all relationships as personal. I do not believe we should have a different set of rules for business transactions and another for social interactions.

If we encourage people to be ruthless in business or sport... and so on how on earth can we be surprised when socially these same people fail to meet another set of norms.

[The Dunster]

One thing that does interest me about today vs ‘the good ole days’ is that it ‘seems’ we were much nicer to each other back in the day, and we certainly showed more respect to authority and elders back then yeah?

The anonymity of social media has turned people into right ****s.

The world has never been so offensive yet so easily offended.

True. Neo-Liberalism also saw all social relations reduced to a market ideology whereby everything has a price.

[plague]

Same destination different path here but how about how we tell people to never give up and never take no for an answer when it comes to business ventures, sport and so on when facing adversity.


yeah just on this there have been a fair few alum (both male and female) from Burkes show that went on to become very wealthy and 'successful' in their own right.

couple things of note.

Not sure any of them have come out against The Don.
Wonder how many of them were happy Burkes management style was worth putting up with in order to achieve that fame and cash.
Wonder how many of them incorporated Burkes management style into their own endeavours knowing it was a successful formula.

[Jetmaster]

One thing that does interest me about today vs ‘the good ole days’ is that it ‘seems’ we were much nicer to each other back in the day, and we certainly showed more respect to authority and elders back then yeah?

The anonymity of social media has turned people into right ****s.

The world has never been so offensive yet so easily offended.

This is a great point - 30 years ago we were so much more relaxed about name calling and general winding up - "sticks and stones" and all that.

Irish jokes et all were widespread and taken in good jest by the target. You could pass a saucy comment on a female form and it was taken as just that.

At school we had a lunchtime football comp - the teams were sorted by race and the names were "Spicks", "Wogs", "Yugos", "Boongs" and "Aussies". The kids picked those names themselves and called themselves those names - there were no claims of racism, no parents complained to the school, the teachers didn't drag us off to counselling....it didn't make the papers.

We all played together, went to each others houses and learnt each others cultures - we were all mates who had great fun ripping each other off.

Words were always that - just words.

The world is now full of keyboard warriors and narcissists with a daily axe to grind on the merest perceived insult.

[MFKS]

This is a great point - 30 years ago we were so much more relaxed about name calling and general winding up - "sticks and stones" and all that.

Irish jokes et all were widespread and taken in good jest by the target. You could pass a saucy comment on a female form and it was taken as just that.

At school we had a lunchtime football comp - the teams were sorted by race and the names were "Spicks", "Wogs", "Yugos", "Boongs" and "Aussies". The kids picked those names themselves and called themselves those names - there were no claims of racism, no parents complained to the school, the teachers didn't drag us off to counselling....it didn't make the papers.

We all played together, went to each others houses and learnt each others cultures - we were all mates who had great fun ripping each other off.

Words were always that - just words.

The world is now full of keyboard warriors and narcissists with a daily axe to grind on the merest perceived insult.

The world now being full of brain dead insecure half wits any coincidence ??

Maybe growing up being called fat, maybe growing up being called ugly maybe growing up being bullied actually worked ??

Sure toughened me up not to be such an insecure **** when life don't go perfectly as today's generation are


Maybe if we spent less time pandering to anyone out there trying to find anything so they can take the victim angle then the world actually would work better

It did once before

[Jetmaster]

Also remember first coach spray we received - full on, we got called "useless" and to get out there and have a go.

We went out and came from behind to win and won the grand final the following year.

We were 11 years old - wouldn't happen now because it is wrong in juniors to have winners and losers, and heaven help anyone who yells at his players.

[The Dunster]

This is a great point - 30 years ago we were so much more relaxed about name calling and general winding up - "sticks and stones" and all that.

Irish jokes et all were widespread and taken in good jest by the target. You could pass a saucy comment on a female form and it was taken as just that.

At school we had a lunchtime football comp - the teams were sorted by race and the names were "Spicks", "Wogs", "Yugos", "Boongs" and "Aussies". The kids picked those names themselves and called themselves those names - there were no claims of racism, no parents complained to the school, the teachers didn't drag us off to counselling....it didn't make the papers.

We all played together, went to each others houses and learnt each others cultures - we were all mates who had great fun ripping each other off.

Words were always that - just words.

The world is now full of keyboard warriors and narcissists with a daily axe to grind on the merest perceived insult.

Agreed same experience for me as well. But it all went to shit around 1988 or so when government and big business made a big deal about the Bicentenary with Australia Day Celebrations of a magnitude rarely if ever seen before. Old wounds were opened up and it's been on a downward slope ever since.

Prior to that every one of my mates had a nickname and more often than not it was a reference to their heritage / culture. Some people took things too far and people definitely were offended in the past as well - but it was rarely on purpose in the sly underhanded manner it is today.

The "I'm not a racist but" line was never around when I was a kid / teenager - it's a recent thing.

[The Dunster]

here is another example of how soft kids are these days: For those who don't know it's called a balance bike and it's for children to learn how to steer and balance themselves before "progressing" to a real bike.

https://www.zippizap.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/zippizap-500x329.jpg

Seriously, in the 70's you would have beat the shit out of anyone for even suggesting you put training wheels on the kids bike. This balance bike shit is essentially putting them in a dress and chopping their balls off.

Government needs to step in before it's too late.

All kids should learn to ride a real bike before they are four, make a Sling Shot at 5, fire BB Guns at 6, a Chemistry set, at 7, pipe bombs at 8... and so on.

[MFKS]

here is another example of how soft kids are these days: For those who don't know it's called a balance bike and it's for children to learn how to steer and balance themselves before "progressing" to a real bike.

https://www.zippizap.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/zippizap-500x329.jpg

Seriously, in the 70's you would have beat the shit out of anyone for even suggesting you put training wheels on the kids bike. This balance bike shit is essentially putting them in a dress and chopping their balls off.

Government needs to step in before it's too late.

All kids should learn to ride a real bike before they are four, make a Sling Shot at 5, fire BB Guns at 6, a Chemistry set, at 7, pipe bombs at 8... and so on.

But most of those skill sets you are advocating are skills that will have you labelled a terrorist not a kid getting your hands dirty these days

Cunce have no common sense

This the same dumb arse country that won't let you take a bottle of ****ing water bought behind security on an international flight yet will let you take a bottle of water on a plane bought behind security on an international flight when leaving this country



Cunce don't worry about common sense when they don't have any to start with

[The Dunster]

But most of those skill sets you are advocating are skills that will have you labelled a terrorist not a kid getting your hands dirty these days

Cunce have no common sense

This the same dumb arse country that won't let you take a bottle of ****ing water bought behind security on an international flight yet will let you take a bottle of water on a plane bought behind security on an international flight when leaving this country



Cunce don't worry about common sense when they don't have any to start with

Agreed. Kids these day's are filled with fear from the day they are born, by parents that have taken all the media bullshit hook line and sinker.

On one hand the boy's are being held back from doing boy / man type things. The girls on the other-hand it's the other extreme in that they are pressured to grow up too quick, look and act a certain way.. and so on.

Kids need to be kids and it seems like recent generations are being robbed of their childhood and instead being manipulated into controllable little consumers.

[hawk]

On one hand the boy's are being held back from doing boy / man type things. The girls on the other-hand it's the other extreme in that they are pressured to grow up too quick, look and act a certain way.. and so on.



This. Some things for the better some not.

Boys education is down the shitter but who cares. When the girls werent up to scratch there was an education revolution.

[plague]

here is another example of how soft kids are these days: For those who don't know it's called a balance bike and it's for children to learn how to steer and balance themselves before "progressing" to a real bike.

https://www.zippizap.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/zippizap-500x329.jpg



balance bikes are the shit and you are missing out.

granted, i wish Plague Jnr was allowed to learn to shoot a BB gun whilst on the balance bike but we cant have all the joys in fatherhood can we.

[goaliepersempre]

here is another example of how soft kids are these days: For those who don't know it's called a balance bike and it's for children to learn how to steer and balance themselves before "progressing" to a real bike.

https://www.zippizap.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/zippizap-500x329.jpg

Seriously, in the 70's you would have beat the shit out of anyone for even suggesting you put training wheels on the kids bike. This balance bike shit is essentially putting them in a dress and chopping their balls off.

Government needs to step in before it's too late.

All kids should learn to ride a real bike before they are four, make a Sling Shot at 5, fire BB Guns at 6, a Chemistry set, at 7, pipe bombs at 8... and so on.


My godson had a balance bike from about 2... Aged 3 Jumps on first bike, riding properly straight of the bat.

[plague]

Dunster hated on the Delorean too.

[parksey]

No this is about a man being himself back 20/30 years ago and you trying to hold him up to your new age standards

Since when does Don Burke actually stop being at work being he is a celebrity etc??

Is it just when he in a garden ??

Or is it a 24-7 thing for him ??


You brought up your friend whom he called after an interview.





I assume once the interviews done and dusted he still at work in your eyes if he tries hitting on her a few days later despite the fact he may have been out of his back yard laying on his couch in his socks and jocks one day and picked up the phone to contact your friend to see what he could get happening with her??

Exactly what crime is he committing by being sleazy and aggressively pursuing sex??

Has had raped anyone??
Has he touched someone up??


He just a man chasing sex hard using an approach you don't agree with

you really are a lost cause

[The Dunster]

My godson had a balance bike from about 2... Aged 3 Jumps on first bike, riding properly straight of the bat.

The kid could have gone straight to his first real bike at 3 without the balance bike.

[hawk]

kids dont have a water tank, stump or golf ball so we'll never see another Bradman

[pv4]

All housewives have an obsession with K-Mart. Discuss.

[plague]

All housewives have an obsession with K-Mart. Discuss.

Interesting use of term housewife.

Mrs Plague has no time for K-mart and their low cost shiny trinkets and focus grouped adverts.

But I don’t think Mrs Plague fits the definition of ‘housewife’. she out there earning that bread for her man like all good women should.

Although I seem to buy a lot of their $2 staplers.

[MFKS]

All housewives have an obsession with K-Mart. Discuss.

Is this during the weekdays whilst your at work because I thought it was Bunnings and IKEA for the weekends??

[pv4]

It is everywhere.

There is a Facebook group with 101k members named "Kmart Mums Australia".

[MFKS]

It is everywhere.

There is a Facebook group with 101k members named "Kmart Mums Australia".

Bali Bogans has 146k

So there are more feral Aussie Bogans who like Bali more than K Mart

[plague]

Bali Bogans has 146k


This is the best stat ever posted anywhere on the foz and it’s not even close.

[MFKS]

This is the best stat ever posted anywhere on the foz and it’s not even close.

Stats mean nothing etc

See Dani Alves argument

[Jeterpool]

This is the best stat ever posted anywhere on the foz and it’s not even close.

Ouch. You cut me deep.

[The Dunster]

Interesting use of term housewife.

Mrs Plague has no time for K-mart and their low cost shiny trinkets and focus grouped adverts.

But I don’t think Mrs Plague fits the definition of ‘housewife’. she out there earning that bread for her man like all good women should.

.

I picked up one of these as well over twenty years ago. Highly recommended. Not for rookies though - would probably kill one of these new age sensitive type blokes.

[pv4]

Don't get me started on that Beyond Blue shit.. FMD there cannot be a bigger load of shit. You tell an employer you have depression issues and you are finished.

Keep meaning to respond to this so sorry for the delay.

Interestingly I find the opposite to what you're saying. I've seen and heard employers rally behind people that openly admit mental health issues. Even arguably push them higher than they should

[MFKS]

Keep meaning to respond to this so sorry for the delay.

Interestingly I find the opposite to what you're saying. I've seen and heard employers rally behind people that openly admit mental health issues. Even arguably push them higher than they should

Precisely

Load of shit though

You got something wrong with you and every **** is helping you out these days

Take the bullshit work rehabilitation shit where people are not allowed to work at 100% capacity on doctor's advice

Well if they not able to do 100% of the job why they allowed 100% of the wage

Worst part is the bullshit where they get reduced hours etc to cope with their conditions.

So what about the poor blokes picking up the slack doing the extra hours and extra work

Either your fit for work or your ****ing not

Not a grey ****ing area

How about they harden up and struggle through like everyone else does??

[pv4]

Well if they not able to do 100% of the job why they allowed 100% of the wage

We live in a country where unions have convinced us that blokes need to be paid more to be on leave with leave loading. Our system, an incredible amount of the time, rewards people not being at work :rof::oops:

[plague]

Precisely

Load of shit though

You got something wrong with you and every **** is helping you out these days

Take the bullshit work rehabilitation shit where people are not allowed to work at 100% capacity on doctor's advice

Well if they not able to do 100% of the job why they allowed 100% of the wage

Worst part is the bullshit where they get reduced hours etc to cope with their conditions.

So what about the poor blokes picking up the slack doing the extra hours and extra work

Either your fit for work or your ****ing not

Not a grey ****ing area

How about they harden up and struggle through like everyone else does??

yeah look a lot here is correct, but society in general is now set up to take the short cut.
the old saying about hate the game not the player is relevant.

people are just genuinely dishonest these days, if theres a way to rort the system, they rort it.

weve all had that mate in the sheds who used to steal the electrical tape from work to look after the boys.


but


thats the same attitude as the bloke bankrupting companies and running off with the loot. different scale, same attitude.



having said that. then there are the people who go home and blow their heads because 'work' is too much, and in the case of the cops especially i cant begin to fathom the stress they go through. so yeah if theres a program to help people like that not kill themselves then im all for it.

because remember we all ring the cops when shit happens that we dont have the ability to deal with.

[hawk]

she out there earning that bread for her man like all good women should.
The war helped a lot to earn that privilege.

Now im forced to play tennis and not work more often. spewin.

[plague]

Now im forced to play tennis and not work more often. spewin.

thank you for your service

[plague]

im going to make the argument that Donald Trump is the mos effective US President of my lifetime.

How many others have actually followed through on their election promises?

not saying i agree with everything. but i am saying hes ploughing ahead with policy, which is what the Boss is supposed to do.


"Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.
"The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and that allows them to prosper — but any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure, recognised and defensible borders.
"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided. I have no illusions that this will be easy."

[pv4]

Milo Yiannopoulos is the ultimate Wind Up Merchant. Discuss.

[Jetmaster]

Milo Yiannopoulos is the ultimate Wind Up Merchant. Discuss.

The lefties always bite - didn't know who the guy was until the protest was the lead story on NBN news the other night. Really if they kept quiet and ignored the guy (and we are a country open to free speech I thought), nobody would have been any wiser. But no, lefties believe anything they don't agree with has to be violently protested against.

[Jetmaster]

We live in a country where unions have convinced us that blokes need to be paid more to be on leave with leave loading. Our system, an incredible amount of the time, rewards people not being at work :rof::oops:

Spot on - I offer flextime as a prime example.

I used to have staff who were paid to do 25 transactions a day. The lazy ones would drag the day out with their smokoes, desk meetings and 45 minute morning teas to the maximum 10 hours and pick up a flex day once a fortnight.

The efficient ones, would come in head down and knock off the target in about 6 hours. You took ages to get a flex day and you would be dumped with more work if you decided to read the paper in the time you saved and get no reward.

I once suggested your pay should be based on your output, not the number of hours you worked and that if you finished your allocation at 12pm then (quality control allowing) you could go home as just reward for efficiency. The union heads didn't get it.

[pv4]

Wiki on their annual donation drive - cough up team, time (again) to give to the true legitimate deserving site.

[The Dunster]

im going to make the argument that Donald Trump is the mos effective US President of my lifetime.

How many others have actually followed through on their election promises?

not saying i agree with everything. but i am saying hes ploughing ahead with policy, which is what the Boss is supposed to do.

Agreed. It's also a case of Trump being the only one to go to the polls with any policies - something I don't recall anyone else since Kennedy actually doing [and even he was pretty vague].
Since then it's been a lot of empty slogans from both sides - and hidden agendas as well.

[The Dunster]

We live in a country where unions have convinced us that blokes need to be paid more to be on leave with leave loading. Our system, an incredible amount of the time, rewards people not being at work :rof::oops:

You can't be serious ? Unions haven't been able to convince anyone of anything for over 40 years - that's why wages have been flat or falling since that time. The Wages Accord was probably the last straw when workers were tricked into gifting productivity gains solely to their employers.
Then you have the increase in casual and precarious employment which has pretty much taken away holidays, penalty rates , and other entitlements for a growing pool of workers.

The real attack should be on the leisure classes and other non-productive ivory tower types that make plenty of coin but produce absolutely nothing.

As soon as you hear the word flexibility mentioned it's time to either run or start throwing punches.

[The Dunster]

Wiki on their annual donation drive - cough up team, time (again) to give to the true legitimate deserving site.

Why would anyone donate to that useless pile of shit ? Far too many ideologically motivated articles on it, not too mention the many that are just plain wrong. To think that students would actually use google or indeed wiki for research purposes is very sad.

I'd rather throw dollars at this site than wiki.

[Macca]

Why would anyone donate to that useless pile of shit ? Far too many ideologically motivated articles on it, not too mention the many that are just plain wrong. To think that students would actually use google or indeed wiki for research purposes is very sad.

I'd rather throw dollars at this site than wiki.

I don't think I grabbed a book off a shelf in the library during my degree. :rof:

[pv4]

Funnily enough my brief wiki search ( :oops: ) says the unions got leave loading in 40 odd years ago

On your rant about wiki, dunster, [citation needed] pal

[The Dunster]

Funnily enough my brief wiki search ( :oops: ) says the unions got leave loading in 40 odd years ago

On your rant about wiki, dunster, [citation needed] pal

Leave loading was around long before the 1970's. My grandfather was an engine driver [a trade which no longer exists]and received leave loading in the 1930's - much like many other shift workers did.

Where would we start on wiki? Biographies alone are just absolutely insanely incorrect on Wiki. Ian Gillan the singer from Deep Purple has been on record several times disputing the so called facts about him and his family on wiki..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFgIFC9Ui10

More importantly have you done our KOTH selections yet ?:rof:

[The Dunster]

I don't think I grabbed a book off a shelf in the library during my degree. :rof:

You wouldn't need to either - you can get a HD in pretty much any degree these days rote learning past exam papers.

The reasons for that are vast but one of the main ones is the administrative load on academics now simply takes up too much of their time. The result being you just rehash the same syllabus over and over to get paid - and do your best to find time around the useless admin to actually get some research done. In the past students could seek an audience with academics, even go directly to the source in many cases - now most academics really only know a student if they are supervising their dissertations.

Which is sad because we have all these so called experts running around and yet they know sweet **** all because they pretty much rote learned exam papers- especially when it comes to economics, mathematics, and hard sciences. Other fields I'm not familiar with may be different - but I'd be shocked if they were.

[Macca]

You wouldn't need to either - you can get a HD in pretty much any degree these days rote learning past exam papers.

The reasons for that are vast but one of the main ones is the administrative load on academics now simply takes up too much of their time. The result being you just rehash the same syllabus over and over to get paid - and do your best to find time around the useless admin to actually get some research done. In the past students could seek an audience with academics, even go directly to the source in many cases - now most academics really only know a student if they are supervising their dissertations.

Which is sad because we have all these so called experts running around and yet they know sweet **** all because they pretty much rote learned exam papers- especially when it comes to economics, mathematics, and hard sciences. Other fields I'm not familiar with may be different - but I'd be shocked if they were.

I hardly talked to my supervisor during my thesis either. It was pretty much off my own bat and browsing forums and experimentation etc.
Some students spent a fair bit of time with the professors and built rapport.
A lot of the professors did have the time of day for you if you wanted to, it just wasn't taken up that often I don't think. And as you said they would be too busy to volunteer it.

I don't think I used exam papers much during my time there except when they were given out as assignments or practice work during tutorials, which did happen a little. But my approach wasn't to memorise the questions but more so peel them back to see the underlying patterns so you can impose your method and thoughts on new hypotheticals. No doubt a lot of people would have though. Its a more efficient way to get good marks. Just not to get understanding.

[The Dunster]

I hardly talked to my supervisor during my thesis either. It was pretty much off my own bat and browsing forums and experimentation etc.
Some students spent a fair bit of time with the professors and built rapport.
A lot of the professors did have the time of day for you if you wanted to, it just wasn't taken up that often I don't think. And as you said they would be too busy to volunteer it.

I don't think I used exam papers much during my time there except when they were given out as assignments or practice work during tutorials, which did happen a little. But my approach wasn't to memorise the questions but more so peel them back to see the underlying patterns so you can impose your method and thoughts on new hypotheticals. No doubt a lot of people would have though. Its a more efficient way to get good marks. Just not to get understanding.

Agreed 100%. Unfortunately, from my experience you would be lucky to find one in a thousand students interested in anything more than getting a grade to get them closer to a desired job / income level.

For most actually wanting to understand a subject it comes at a cost - they need to be exceptional and thick skinned.

[hawk]

Milo Yiannopoulos is the ultimate Wind Up Merchant. Discuss.



Venus de Milo soaking up outraged baby tears everywhere. lulz

[goaliepersempre]

Milo Yiannopoulos is the ultimate Wind Up Merchant. Discuss.

Trolling the SJWs love it....

[MFKS]

Got to love the media government and authorities lying to us all

This thing in Melbourne yesterday

Nah it not terrorism

Yeah right

It a religious man who is from a religion who doesn't allow the use of illicit drugs but also suffers from mental health issues is the reason why a few days out from a cultural / Christian religious festival that runs against his religious beliefs drives a car into a crowd of people like other people from his religious group have recently done around the world and it all down to mental health and drug use and has nothing at all to do with his religious beliefs ??
FMD


Yet people actually believe the BS story they palming off
How gullible are these people ??


This country is seriously ****ed when you have clueless Muppets like this allowed to breed

[The Dunster]

Got to love the media government and authorities lying to us all

This thing in Melbourne yesterday

Nah it not terrorism

Yeah right

It a religious man who is from a religion who doesn't allow the use of illicit drugs but also suffers from mental health issues is the reason why a few days out from a cultural / Christian religious festival that runs against his religious beliefs drives a car into a crowd of people like other people from his religious group have recently done around the world and it all down to mental health and drug use and has nothing at all to do with his religious beliefs ??
FMD


Yet people actually believe the BS story they palming off
How gullible are these people ??


This country is seriously ****ed when you have clueless Muppets like this allowed to breed

Jesus is mentioned in the Quaran 187 times Member. And he's praised not ridiculed. So you must be talking about a religion other than Islam.

If you know anyone that is a Muslim they are puzzled that they respect Jesus yet Christians don't want to offer the same courtesy to Mohammed.

Plenty of information about Mohammed and what he did / achieved during his life time and very well backed up as well I might add. Not so much for Jesus who's importance really doesn't get much of a mention until some 600 odd years after his death.

I might also add that were it not for the Islamic Scholars you would not even know Christianity existed.

What you are referring to is fundamentalism / extremism and that can apply to all religions - Christianity is no exception.

[Macca]

Jesus is mentioned in the Quaran 187 times Member. And he's praised not ridiculed. So you must be talking about a religion other than Islam.

If you know anyone that is a Muslim they are puzzled that they respect Jesus yet Christians don't want to offer the same courtesy to Mohammed.

Plenty of information about Mohammed and what he did / achieved during his life time and very well backed up as well I might add. Not so much for Jesus who's importance really doesn't get much of a mention until some 600 odd years after his death.

I might also add that were it not for the Islamic Scholars you would not even know Christianity existed.

What you are referring to is fundamentalism / extremism and that can apply to all religions - Christianity is no exception.

Excuse me. This is a conversation about religion.

Can you please tone done your lack of bias and fanaticism, and be careful with your balanced points too.

Thanks

[MFKS]

Jesus is mentioned in the Quaran 187 times Member. And he's praised not ridiculed. So you must be talking about a religion other than Islam.

If you know anyone that is a Muslim they are puzzled that they respect Jesus yet Christians don't want to offer the same courtesy to Mohammed.

Plenty of information about Mohammed and what he did / achieved during his life time and very well backed up as well I might add. Not so much for Jesus who's importance really doesn't get much of a mention until some 600 odd years after his death.

I might also add that were it not for the Islamic Scholars you would not even know Christianity existed.

What you are referring to is fundamentalism / extremism and that can apply to all religions - Christianity is no exception.

No what I referring to is the cunce lying to us with a bullshit story

Bloke has drug issues ALLEGEDLY
First druggo in this country to mow down pedestrians with a car

How come not one of the other multiple druggos we have in this country has done something similar??

FFS we shouldn't be safe on the streets of Newy with the Knights in town if drugs were the issue here

If old mate is on drugs as alleged then the photos of him sitting placidly on the footpath in cuffs go against the theory of him being on drugs

If it is mental health that is the culprit then why haven't the other head cases in this country tried using their car to mow people down??

All we have is some thinly veiled weak excuses to divert blame from what exactly is the real issue here

Why this bloke felt the urge to do this

I ain't actually talking about religion here
I talking more about the cunce lying to avoid discussion of what is the real issues here

[The Dunster]

No worries Member - I miss read your post.

As for why anyone would do these things the list would be comprehensive from no reason at all / spur of the moment decision to a psychotic episode whereby he thought he was a character in GTA.

Given we know bugger all about anything [ there is more we don't know than things we do know - about everything] I can't see a solution to these types of problems coming anytime soon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKl_bpjAyb8

[hawk]

Police say a deliberate act so spare me the apologist rants.

No one can defend the cvnt. Doesnt matter who he is should be given a vets needle.

[goaliepersempre]

No worries Member - I miss read your post.

As for why anyone would do these things the list would be comprehensive from no reason at all / spur of the moment decision to a psychotic episode whereby he thought he was a character in GTA.

Given we know bugger all about anything [ there is more we don't know than things we do know - about everything] I can't see a solution to these types of problems coming anytime soon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKl_bpjAyb8

Misfits :thumbsup:

[boz-monaut]

there is a school of thought that goes along the lines of not calling lone wolf, mental health issue muslim nutjobs like this "terrorists' as it only inspires other lone wolf, mental health issue muslim nutjobs to do something similar

in the same way that reporting on details of a suicide only inspires copycat suicides

because it's not just ranting nutjobs like the Member For Kincumber South who are aware that the media is bending over backwards to not describe this as a terrorist attack

[MFKS]

there is a school of thought that goes along the lines of not calling lone wolf, mental health issue muslim nutjobs like this "terrorists' as it only inspires other lone wolf, mental health issue muslim nutjobs to do something similar

in the same way that reporting on details of a suicide only inspires copycat suicides

because it's not just ranting nutjobs like the Member For Kincumber South who are aware that the media is bending over backwards to not describe this as a terrorist attack

Shit

I believe that is me and you loosely agreeing on something

Feels odd

If that the theory behind it then good luck to them.
I have always found that dealing with difficult issues in life is best done with brutal honesty and direct bluntness in action

If this incident brings to the public's attention that a particular group of Australians have some serious issues that they need to be addressing amongst themselves then so be it.

Let's have it out in the open and who gives a **** if their feelings are hurt as last I looked there was 20 odd injured people whose bodies have been hurt so their ego and pride can take the blows in return

It a much better idea as opposed to the current scenario where it seems we as a society are burying our heads in the sand thanks to the complicitness of the media to not speak the truth and call the authorities on their blatant lies

[The Dunster]

Shit

I believe that is me and you loosely agreeing on something

Feels odd

If that the theory behind it then good luck to them.
I have always found that dealing with difficult issues in life is best done with brutal honesty and direct bluntness in action

If this incident brings to the public's attention that a particular group of Australians have some serious issues that they need to be addressing amongst themselves then so be it.

Let's have it out in the open and who gives a **** if their feelings are hurt as last I looked there was 20 odd injured people whose bodies have been hurt so their ego and pride can take the blows in return

It a much better idea as opposed to the current scenario where it seems we as a society are burying our heads in the sand thanks to the complicitness of the media to not speak the truth and call the authorities on their blatant lies

I don't think trial by media is a solution Member if that's what you are proposing. The media do enough damage perpetuating myths for their plutocratic owners as it is.
As far as mental health issues go it's a very slippery slope - and difficult enough for people with first hand experience to understand let alone those that don't.
If you think their is a solution to these types of events / incidents I think you are going to be very disappointed.

[hawk]

I wonder what the suicide rate would be if it was media outed.

For a while there's been a ground swell of professionals saying that we need to bring issues out in the open to help improve public perception and maybe reduce statistics esp for mental illness and its associated reactions. So someone is incorrect.

[MFKS]

I don't think trial by media is a solution Member if that's what you are proposing. The media do enough damage perpetuating myths for their plutocratic owners as it is.
As far as mental health issues go it's a very slippery slope - and difficult enough for people with first hand experience to understand let alone those that don't.
If you think their is a solution to these types of events / incidents I think you are going to be very disappointed.

But your now going off on this mental health tangent that the official story line is pushing

Quite frankly it looks like bullshit to me because there is no proof num nuts was mentally ill other than their say so which isn't exactly looking solid

It also a good diversionary tool as apparently you can't be critical of people claiming mental illness

Me I not so worried about calling people on their excuse of mental illness but others are less so forthcoming and actually go out of their way to defend the person claiming mental health issues from their actions and absolving them of the blame

As for the media their actually doing more harm by lying as they are just destroying what little trust people have in them by lying

It ain't their job to hide their truth. It their job to actually expose the truth

[The Dunster]

But your now going off on this mental health tangent that the official story line is pushing

Quite frankly it looks like bullshit to me because there is no proof num nuts was mentally ill other than their say so which isn't exactly looking solid

It also a good diversionary tool as apparently you can't be critical of people claiming mental illness

Me I not so worried about calling people on their excuse of mental illness but others are less so forthcoming and actually go out of their way to defend the person claiming mental health issues from their actions and absolving them of the blame

As for the media their actually doing more harm by lying as they are just destroying what little trust people have in them by lying

It ain't their job to hide their truth. It their job to actually expose the truth

I'd much prefer the courts handled these matters than the media or the general public debating it on social media.

It takes time to gather evidence, people need to be interviewed.. cases need to be prepared. To look at just a snippet of the information and make a snap judgement is not the way to go.

We have people trained to handle these types of matters - we should keep out of their way and let them do their jobs.

[Jetmaster]

I'd much prefer the courts handled these matters than the media or the general public debating it on social media.

It takes time to gather evidence, people need to be interviewed.. cases need to be prepared. To look at just a snippet of the information and make a snap judgement is not the way to go.

We have people trained to handle these types of matters - we should keep out of their way and let them do their jobs.

Amen to that.

[hawk]

The cops are getting better at this deadly game. Itll be sorted

[furns]

No what I referring to is the cunce lying to us with a bullshit story

Bloke has drug issues ALLEGEDLY
First druggo in this country to mow down pedestrians with a car

How come not one of the other multiple druggos we have in this country has done something similar??

FFS we shouldn't be safe on the streets of Newy with the Knights in town if drugs were the issue here

If old mate is on drugs as alleged then the photos of him sitting placidly on the footpath in cuffs go against the theory of him being on drugs

If it is mental health that is the culprit then why haven't the other head cases in this country tried using their car to mow people down??

All we have is some thinly veiled weak excuses to divert blame from what exactly is the real issue here

Why this bloke felt the urge to do this

I ain't actually talking about religion here
I talking more about the cunce lying to avoid discussion of what is the real issues here
I hate to bust your bubble but wasn't there a druggo who only a few months ago stole a truck in Murrurundi, took it on a joyride down the highway and narrowly avoided killing multiple ppl when he smashed it into a pub & neighbouring building in Singleton? It was only pure luck he didn't take a life although I haven't heard whether the critically injured elderly gentleman he sideswiped recovered or not. Seems the only thing that prevented a similar outcome to the Melbourne incident was good fortune for those in the vicinity and a much lower population in harms way.
The only factor seems to be whether these idiots INTENDED to cause harm to others or not. Which you can only really find out if you're the "lucky" individual having to do a pre-trial psych assessment.

[hawk]

Shithole countries. Are we one of those? Wouldnt hurt if we were

[plague]

Shithole countries. Are we one of those? Wouldnt hurt if we were

Trump stealing Vidmars PR strategy.

Except for Trump its making him more awesome instead of more fired.

[plague]

besides, according to some the chance of being labelled a shithole is directly proportional to the amount of 'not white people' you have living there.

the higher, the more likely.

[hawk]

besides, according to some the chance of being labelled a shithole is directly proportional to the amount of 'not white people' you have living there.

the higher, the more likely.

Cant be true. fiji is a great place.

He is correct on some accounts by suggesting some countries are corruptly governed and dont give a shit about their people. He needs to add so many more though

[plague]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTTunHBW4AALMEQ.jpg:large

[plague]

Cant be true. fiji is a great place.

He is correct on some accounts by suggesting some countries are corruptly governed and dont give a shit about their people. He needs to add so many more though

again though. the language is the issue, which for some is EVERYTHING.

for others, his point is correct, if crudely made.

and while ever he is getting his policy through the argument against him (that hes a dumb dumb and says dumb things) gets weaker.

one day the 'protestors' will work out the American population didnt want more 'speeches' and 'statesmen'. i mean jesus Christ the daft bastards just spent the last 12 months yelling about a 'reality tv celebrity' not being fit to be President, but are now admitting their best chance of winning in 2020 is with Oprah and The Rock!!!

The Yanks were sick of politicians, and politics. Trump is getting the stuff done he was voted in to do.
The best thing that can happen is that the media can start writing about his achievements so the criticisms carry more weight.

he has the ability to shoot down all of the one sided reporting about him as 'media bias'. slapping him on the back every now and then might soften him up for the deserved whack he needs.

[The Dunster]

besides, according to some the chance of being labelled a shithole is directly proportional to the amount of 'not white people' you have living there.

the higher, the more likely.

Fiji is a dive. Little to no opportunities for young people as far as education and jobs go, Military Coup d'état is the common form of election, a lot of racial and religious tension, and a medical system that is essentially useless in that they can barely test for anything let alone operate.

Source: Friend who was a Fijian but became an Australia citizen a few years back and no longer holds a Fijian passport or Fijian citizenship.

[MFKS]

Gee I hope no politician in this country gets into strife for calling the Gypo Coast a shit hole

Shouldn't be in strife for speaking the truth

[hawk]

Fiji is a dive. Little to no opportunities for young people as far as education and jobs go, Military Coup d'état is the common form of election, a lot of racial and religious tension, and a medical system that is essentially useless in that they can barely test for anything let alone operate.

Source: Friend who was a Fijian but became an Australia citizen a few years back and no longer holds a Fijian passport or Fijian citizenship.

Damn, its also a SH so my theory is broken. Sadly, Trump might be right again

[plague]

Gee I hope no politician in this country gets into strife for calling the Gypo Coast a shit hole

Shouldn't be in strife for speaking the truth

there could be a huge hole in the ground filled in with raw shit and 99% of Pollies in this country still wouldnt call it what it is for fear of upsetting someone.

[plague]

Oh no poor Hillary finally played herself.

Looks like Trump really did win.

Hate on him all you want but man oh man he breaks even the toughest facade.

Haven’t seen any of her apologists out here this morn.

Sad.

[The Dunster]

Oh no poor Hillary finally played herself.

Looks like Trump really did win.

Hate on him all you want but man oh man he breaks even the toughest facade.

Haven’t seen any of her apologists out here this morn.

Sad.

Loved the Don's comment about Hillary -

"You can't play pool with a rope" Donald Trump 2018.

Pretty much the best description of Clinton and her followers I have ever heard.

[plague]

This is the woman who we were continually lectured to that she was ‘more Presidential’ than Trump.

Yet here she is, a ****ing prop in a clown show every bit as cringeworthy as Trumps usual carry on.

But no, the smart people out there (and on here) will keep telling me there’s a difference between them.

[plague]

So the piss tape was fake and Hillary essentially paid for a warrant to get surveillance on Trump?

this is the shit that got Trump elected, and its gonna get him back in.

[q-money]

why is it every truther believes in pizzagate but not the piss tape

give us the piss tape

[plague]

why is it every truther believes in pizzagate but not the piss tape

give us the piss tape

best bit is, theres no way in hell the piss tape is even in the top 50 most perverted things Trump has ever done.

[The Dunster]

Has Trump claimed responsibility for the recent losses on global stock exchanges - or is he only responsible for the gains ?

http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/05/investing/stock-market-today-dow-jones/index.html

Article is ridiculous and pretty much what you would expect from Banking Economists - but fun reading just the same.

[plague]

Has Trump claimed responsibility for the recent losses on global stock exchanges - or is he only responsible for the gains ?

http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/05/investing/stock-market-today-dow-jones/index.html

Article is ridiculous and pretty much what you would expect from Banking Economists - but fun reading just the same.

Trump gonna claim he did it on purpose to "ward off inflation" and "those damn muslims...or something".


how good was this graph though?
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/180205174714-dow-feb-5-780x439.jpg

24,000 is the new zero apparently.

[MFKS]

Yet despite all this the Aussie $$ keeps tanking

Surprisibg despite the arse whooping the US keep copping in recent days that the Aussie$$ still keeps losing

[plague]

Yet despite all this the Aussie $$ keeps tanking

Surprisibg despite the arse whooping the US keep copping in recent days that the Aussie$$ still keeps losing

Those Ladyboys putting a strain on the bottom line there Member?

[MFKS]

Those Ladyboys putting a strain on the bottom line there Member?

Not really

Cleaned up last year and got pretty good rates early in the year.
Locked a bit of cash in then



When i went last time I got in on a peak as well

Been pretty fortunate in the last 12-18 months i through luck have been hitting it on the up times in the cycle

[parksey]

This is the woman who we were continually lectured to that she was ‘more Presidential’ than Trump.

Yet here she is, a ****ing prop in a clown show every bit as cringeworthy as Trumps usual carry on.

But no, the smart people out there (and on here) will keep telling me there’s a difference between them.

just 'cos she's corrupt doesn't mean she's not presidential.

take a look at your boy trump and the russians.

[hawk]

just 'cos she's corrupt doesn't mean she's not presidential.

take a look at your boy trump and the russians.

you trumpy jealous. its a funny one for many

[parksey]

born in the ussa

[plague]

just 'cos she's corrupt doesn't mean she's not presidential.


(that is a good line by the way).

https://media2.giphy.com/media/WX8q9SfmzHmAo/giphy.gif

[MFKS]

This thing with Barnaby Joyce

Quite frankly I couldn't give two ****s about him getting jobs for this girl

Quite frankly I couldn't give two ****s about him cheating on his wife

Quite frankly I vouldnt give two ****s about him getting her knocked up

Quite frankly I couldn't give two ****s about him being a politician Deputy PM going forward


What though does shock me is how Barnaby actually ****ed someone who was definitely batting up a couple of grades

Poor bloke must be shattered most that his mates found out he ****ed something that ugly let alone what the nation thinks

[The Dunster]

Threading a junior staffers needle then creating circa $200k a year positions for them is a sackable offence anywhere other than the Coalition.

I can't see National Party voters forgiving him next election - if he makes it to the next election.

But the list of ministers from all the major parties doing this shit is endless - so very unlikely the ALP would want to open up this pandora's box.

[MFKS]

Threading a junior staffers needle then creating circa $200k a year positions for them is a sackable offence anywhere other than the Coalition.

I can't see National Party voters forgiving him next election - if he makes it to the next election.

But the list of ministers from all the major parties doing this shit is endless - so very unlikely the ALP would want to open up this pandora's box.

I dont really see where the issue is that he helped get her jobs

FFS the world operates on a who you know basis

How many people have gotten jobs or opportunities in life based on who they know who their family knows or who their friernds know??

An absolute shitload

That the world we live in


As for him knobbing staff once again plenty of people have met their partner through work.
There are no rules saying you can't

Just PC saying not to so as to avoid shit fights at work when the women turns deranged when you split up
Also convemtional wisdom not to shit in your own nest

You can knob your work colleagues just tread very ****ing carefully


Media are having a field day with this but mainly because thee bloke is an aloof knob who is getting his come uppance

[PC14]

As for him knobbing staff once again plenty of people have met their partner through work.
There are no rules saying you can't

The Ministerial Code of Conduct states:

"relatives and partners are not to be appointed to positions in their ministerial or electorate offices and must not be employed in the offices of other members of the executive government without the Prime Minister’s express approval".

This is in fact, a rule that states that what he did, was not on. The fact it was his mistress, does not exempt him from wrong doing here.

Now allegations that he was banging Jannette Cotterell, are just the cherry on top. This guy is done and if Malcolm doesn't do anything about it, this government is done.

[plague]

Yeah the rooting is fine but he broke the rules getting this girl paid.

Also, Member is right in that nepotism is how the world works, but when it’s not on your own coin you gotta be answerable to the shareholders.

Only prob is only one small group gets to vote on Barnaby fate, not all the aggrieved parties.

Best bit is the payback is coming. The stories are gonna be flying about who’s rooting who.

Gillard already been outed for being a home wrecker. I’m here for all of it if it means the place gets burnt down.

**** em all.

[MFKS]

The Ministerial Code of Conduct states:

"relatives and partners are not to be appointed to positions in their ministerial or electorate offices and must not be employed in the offices of other members of the executive government without the Prime Minister’s express approval".

This is in fact, a rule that states that what he did, was not on. The fact it was his mistress, does not exempt him from wrong doing here.

Now allegations that he was banging Jannette Cotterell, are just the cherry on top. This guy is done and if Malcolm doesn't do anything about it, this government is done.

So firstly define partner??

This is just some bird he ****ed

Doesn't make them an item bedcasuse he gave her 5 mins of his time

Secondly It would seem that Turnbull has approved it

Thirdly there is no certainty this government are done
They should be done comfortably anyway just through their general ineptitude but whilst Labor offer up Shorten and ignore better candidates in their midst it keeps the Libs in the hunt

[plague]

Uh oh.
Looks like we’ve got another one of those incidents where everyone thinks that ‘their way’ would have prevented it.

[plague]

If Trump manages to legit get any of these gun reforms through he’ll immediately shame generations of so called ‘leaders’ who came before him.


Except arming teachers though FFS that’s just a retarded idea.

[Macca]

If Trump manages to legit get any of these gun reforms through he’ll immediately shame generations of so called ‘leaders’ who came before him.


Except arming teachers though FFS that’s just a retarded idea.

Except that one will happen because NRA support it. We have a problem with too many people having easy access to guns. How can we fix this? Lets make sure that more people have guns. Yep, that'll do it.

Saw a fair point on the face book. Reagan surrounded by armed secret service but the bloke still got a fair crack at him.

Whole thing is stupid, the media/lobbyists or whoever just transform any argument into a different one which will get them sympathy or support.

>Whole bunch of kids get shot up
>We should do something so this doesn't happen again
>"How dare you "use" this tragedy to push an agenda, show some respect" etc

Or alternatively
Proposed gist of reform - We should make it harder for people to get guns, make them have to wait, perform a background check, restrict automatic rifles, whatever
Response - We have a right to protect ourselves, and you're trying to take that away - you must hate freedom!

Final point, an analogy.
Anti gun control make the point that people will still get guns, criminals are the ones creating the problem so they will still get access to them and still carry out crime.
OK then - by that logic why have any laws at all, if the people breaking the laws are going to do it anyway?

[The Dunster]

If Trump manages to legit get any of these gun reforms through he’ll immediately shame generations of so called ‘leaders’ who came before him.


Except arming teachers though FFS that’s just a retarded idea.

it's not like any over worked, underpaid, or stressed out teach is ever going to shoot up a class room.

[plague]

Except that one will happen because NRA support it. We have a problem with too many people having easy access to guns. How can we fix this? Lets make sure that more people have guns. Yep, that'll do it.

Saw a fair point on the face book. Reagan surrounded by armed secret service but the bloke still got a fair crack at him.

Whole thing is stupid, the media/lobbyists or whoever just transform any argument into a different one which will get them sympathy or support.

>Whole bunch of kids get shot up
>We should do something so this doesn't happen again
>"How dare you "use" this tragedy to push an agenda, show some respect" etc

Or alternatively
Proposed gist of reform - We should make it harder for people to get guns, make them have to wait, perform a background check, restrict automatic rifles, whatever
Response - We have a right to protect ourselves, and you're trying to take that away - you must hate freedom!

Final point, an analogy.
Anti gun control make the point that people will still get guns, criminals are the ones creating the problem so they will still get access to them and still carry out crime.
OK then - by that logic why have any laws at all, if the people breaking the laws are going to do it anyway?

All completely valid points and a good description about the way the gun debate has gone.

Which is why I said ‘if’.
My point is that if Trump manages to get ‘any’ significant change it will embarrass all of his predecessors.

The USA physically can’t just implement ‘Australian style’ laws.

And yes, banning under 21’s from getting these guns ‘may’ empower the black market. But no politician has gone anywhere near any significant reform EVER (and they’ve always put it in the ‘too hard’ basket).

So maybe if Trump gets the ball rolling it might just enable the next generation of leaders to not be so scared to take on some of these causes, and over time there is a continual effort to curb gun violence.

I think it’s a pretty significant step. Remember, he’s going after HIS own base. Give me an example of a pollie intentionally angering their base like that? You’d have to go back to Howard and the Australian gun laws, and he was universally celebrated for it.


But yeah haters gonna hate because of the messenger, just don’t downplay the significance of the message.

[plague]

it's not like any over worked, underpaid, or stressed out teach is ever going to shoot up a class room.

I’m not the first to make this observation but for damn sure if my teacher was strapped I’d be the first kid getting popped.

[The Dunster]

All completely valid points and a good description about the way the gun debate has gone.

Which is why I said ‘if’.
My point is that if Trump manages to get ‘any’ significant change it will embarrass all of his predecessors.

The USA physically can’t just implement ‘Australian style’ laws.

And yes, banning under 21’s from getting these guns ‘may’ empower the black market. But no politician has gone anywhere near any significant reform EVER (and they’ve always put it in the ‘too hard’ basket).

So maybe if Trump gets the ball rolling it might just enable the next generation of leaders to not be so scared to take on some of these causes, and over time there is a continual effort to curb gun violence.

I think it’s a pretty significant step. Remember, he’s going after HIS own base. Give me an example of a pollie intentionally angering their base like that? You’d have to go back to Howard and the Australian gun laws, and he was universally celebrated for it.


But yeah haters gonna hate because of the messenger, just don’t downplay the significance of the message.

Hitler introduced gun reform as well when his party came to power - that didn't work out so well.

[plague]

Hitler introduced gun reform as well when his party came to power - that didn't work out so well.

Yet with all the liberty, freedom and guns in the world the Yanks still voted for Trump.

I hear this talking point a lot, and it makes me laugh that there are legit people out there that honestly think if the Govt ever needs to be overthrown, that old Jim Bob and his pickup truck full of rednecks armed to the teeth are any match for a military force with around 9,000 nukes at their disposal.

If the Americans wanna feel safe in the event their govt turns tyrannical, go make friends with China, cause that’s the only Militia that’s any hope of saving you.

[Macca]

Yet with all the liberty, freedom and guns in the world the Yanks still voted for Trump.

I hear this talking point a lot, and it makes me laugh that there are legit people out there that honestly think if the Govt ever needs to be overthrown, that old Jim Bob and his pickup truck full of rednecks armed to the teeth are any match for a military force with around 9,000 nukes at their disposal.

If the Americans wanna feel safe in the event their govt turns tyrannical, go make friends with China, cause that’s the only Militia that’s any hope of saving you.

Redneck style probably won't do it but the Taliban / al qaeda / isis / whoever done alright of making a nuisance of themselves.

[plague]

Blokes out there watched too many reruns of Red Dawn.

[The Dunster]

Yet with all the liberty, freedom and guns in the world the Yanks still voted for Trump.

I hear this talking point a lot, and it makes me laugh that there are legit people out there that honestly think if the Govt ever needs to be overthrown, that old Jim Bob and his pickup truck full of rednecks armed to the teeth are any match for a military force with around 9,000 nukes at their disposal.

If the Americans wanna feel safe in the event their govt turns tyrannical, go make friends with China, cause that’s the only Militia that’s any hope of saving you.

US citizens need only to stop using the currency to destroy the US government. That's it - and the government know it as well - hence why the US government legislates that taxes are only payable in US dollars.

It would also destroy Wall Street and many of the other white collar criminal organisations in the USA.

[Jetmaster]

if the Govt ever needs to be overthrown, that old Jim Bob and his pickup truck full of rednecks armed to the teeth are any match for a military force with around 9,000 nukes at their disposal.

Brilliant.

[MFKS]

Same country who has a **** you jack policy for health care unless you can pay for it you die or suffer and then thinks the UK and Australia with socialist health are ****ing insane

I dont give a **** how big the NRA lobby are


That the Yanks cant sort this shitt out shows how ****ed thrir country is

[belchardo]

barnaby's sent himself to the naughty corner. wonder which anonymous figure will replace him?

[hawk]

cant run a country on a swingers tour.

btw note how his other new half copped no flack for gobbing a married man. victim of course. kentz

[The Dunster]

Barnaby Joyce, the Coalition, and his new partner need to face an inquiry about how and why jobs were created that were a clear violation of the Ministerial Code.
Could you imagine someone on Centrelink benefits getting away with the shit Joyce and others have pulled over the past few years ?

Government needs to lead by example and make Joyce and his partner pay back all the money they have accepted from her employments and pretty much everything Barnaby has billed the treasury for since he failed to report he had dual citizenship.

There would be no leniency offered to anyone on Centrelink benefits - why should Barnaby get special treatment ?

Egalitarian country my arse.

[MFKS]

Barnaby Joyce, the Coalition, and his new partner need to face an inquiry about how and why jobs were created that were a clear violation of the Ministerial Code.
Could you imagine someone on Centrelink benefits getting away with the shit Joyce and others have pulled over the past few years ?

Government needs to lead by example and make Joyce and his partner pay back all the money they have accepted from her employments and pretty much everything Barnaby has billed the treasury for since he failed to report he had dual citizenship.

There would be no leniency offered to anyone on Centrelink benefits - why should Barnaby get special treatment ?

Egalitarian country my arse.
Go give a councillor a paperbag with 5k in it to assist getting a development approved or fast tracked and you are a criminal etc


Give a political party hundreds of thousands of dollars and when thdy make decisions favourable to your interests it all sweet

Exactly what is the difference??

This is the corrupt hypocritical country we live in

[belchardo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-04/barnaby-joyce-says-baby-paternity-is-grey-area/9507114

geez, barnaby isn't even sure the kid is his!

and relationship 101 barnaby, maybe don't inadvertently suggest your partner was shagging blokes left, right and centre whenever you're out of town! (goddamn that works so well in the political sense!)

[hawk]

Adelaide votes. who cares but it wouldnt be the same without Antony Green

http://www.seret.co.il/images/news/b6242.jpg

[hawk]

Having your data mined? type more sh1t

[plague]

Of course the Ruskies are gonna vote Vlad back in.

He got em the World Cup, and rides horses with no shirt on.

Blokes a ledge.

[goodatthis123]

What you think about new win of Putin

[plague]

What you think about new win of Putin

Democracy at work.
Russia is great friend of the United Stars and America.

Man of the people.

[hawk]

Chaina.

[The Dunster]

So much for Turnbull's concern over power prices in NSW.

My latest electricity offer from AGL is a reduction in the pay on time discount from 23% to 15%, unit price has gone from 25.11c to 29c, supply charge from 86.4c per day to 92.4c per day, and off peak usage from 10.1c to 15.4c.

Well done Malcolm you dopey piece of shit.

He's concerned with Unions doing the wrong thing but absolutely nothing happens to his mates running these utility scams

Meanwhile on the ABC website their is an article about how freeing up markets and reducing company taxes will lead to economic growth and better wages outcomes for workers - nfi why they print this think tank shit.
Oh and Bill Shorten is nowhere in sight when it comes to these matters either.

[Couscous]

Happy Easter.

[plague]

****ing public holiday rates 4 days in a row no wonder the country is going to shit.

[hawk]

****ing public holiday rates 4 days in a row no wonder the country is going to shit.

remember when everyone went on strike for penalty rates? lol

[plague]

This recent return to twitter by Kanye West and the bullshit Shania Twain stuff, coupled with the Comey face/heel/face turn have me convinced the loudest people out there are the true idiots.

[plague]

also, it's interesting that in the middle of Hollywood boycotts over the never ending list of people being bellends, the cool kids still seem to be more than happy to support (and perform at) Coachella even though its run by a noted homophobe and gun rights nut.

It's almost as if the outrage only goes so far.

I guess even twitter activists need a good singalong every now and then.

[plague]

Scott Morrison bringing down the price of beer in the budget.

I think the decision on who to vote for is now clear.

[The Dunster]

Morrison is a clueless imbecile on budget matters and arse clowns like Chris Richardson are no better. See below video for the truth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTaSziDVDDU

[Couscous]

Middle East is a bit of a mess atm.

[plague]

Middle East is a bit of a mess atm.

At the moment?

Ok then.

Must be Trumps fault.

[MFKS]

Middle East is a bit of a mess atm.


Compared to when in the last couple of thousand years??

[Captain Obvious]

Middle East is a bit of a mess atm.
Hello to you too Couscous.

[Couscous]

Today is a public holiday in Canberra. The first Reconciliation Day.

You guys should reconcile, too.

[plague]

Today is a public holiday in Canberra. The first Reconciliation Day.

You guys should reconcile, too.

But that would infer we are divided?

We all serve under the one true Griff.

Well except for gypos but they are poor and no one cares what they think.

[plague]

This Trump/Kim Jong stuff is interesting.

If compared to previous Presidents, Trumps accomplishment (however 'staged' it is) should be applauded by the rest of the world.


but.


they just cant do it.
and this is how the bloke is gonna get re-elected in 2020.

[MFKS]

This Trump/Kim Jong stuff is interesting.

If compared to previous Presidents, Trumps accomplishment (however 'staged' it is) should be applauded by the rest of the world.


but.


they just cant do it.
and this is how the bloke is gonna get re-elected in 2020.

What price he is officially keeping up the sanctions but has brokered deals to provide US aid and other imports off the record??

He got to be getting deals done in the background

[plague]

What price he is officially keeping up the sanctions but has brokered deals to provide US aid and other imports off the record??

He got to be getting deals done in the background

i dont even know if that 'needs' to be the case.
the negotiations are pretty clear, and both sides have their chips to deal with.
Kim does have quite a few nukes ready to drop, so he does have a bit more leverage than most people give him credit for.

Trump has repeatedly said, if you give them up, we'll bring money in. Not 'aid' like the Iran deal, but investment by outside interests mostly from China, Japan and Sth Korea. It would look pretty enticing for Kim Jong to be known as the bloke that brought a whole country out of poverty. its a bit better legacy than being the bloke that got them all fried from a war.

Maybe Kim does have good intentions at heart, and maybe this can work. and in true Trump form hes doing it all with other peoples money, but will get the credit.And thats fine, because if it does in fact prevent a war, and makes the lives of Koreans better, then how the hell can anyone have a problem with that?


but yeah, people will.

[plague]

Honest question:

Is there anyone on this foz that is legit gonna vote for Bill Shorten?

Not talking the Labor party, its policies, or even an 'anti Liberal' vote.

But is anyone basing their vote in next years general election on their wish to see Bill Shorten as our Prime Minister?

Because i clearly cant for the life of me think of a more dishonest, untrustworthy politician in my life than this guy.

everything he says, touches and looks at just reeks of grubbiness.

ive happily voted Labor and Liberal in the past.
Theres certainly been plenty of 'unlikeable' politicians out there. People HATED Rudd, Gillard, Howard, Keating and Abbott.

But personally i think they at least gave off a sense of believability. It was fine to hate on them because you saw who they were and there was a sense of dignity in at least being open about yourself.

but Shorten, oh man. just a despicable human being.


Or am i missing something?

[The Dunster]

Honest question:

Is there anyone on this foz that is legit gonna vote for Bill Shorten?

Not talking the Labor party, its policies, or even an 'anti Liberal' vote.

But is anyone basing their vote in next years general election on their wish to see Bill Shorten as our Prime Minister?

Because i clearly cant for the life of me think of a more dishonest, untrustworthy politician in my life than this guy.

everything he says, touches and looks at just reeks of grubbiness.

ive happily voted Labor and Liberal in the past.
Theres certainly been plenty of 'unlikeable' politicians out there. People HATED Rudd, Gillard, Howard, Keating and Abbott.

But personally i think they at least gave off a sense of believability. It was fine to hate on them because you saw who they were and there was a sense of dignity in at least being open about yourself.

but Shorten, oh man. just a despicable human being.


Or am i missing something?

Bill Shorten is right wing conservative scum much the same as Malcolm Turnbull. Why vote for a replica when you can vote for the genuine item ?

As for voting and elections in Australia - The Coalition / Liberal Party has NEVER LOST an Election. NEVER.

They have though handed over control to their subsidiary [Labour Party] when the economy had or was about to tank.

I take it you haven't met Tony Abbot then ? He's a bit like Anthony Mundine in that the media filter out all the good stuff and twist the shit out of everything else.
I know for a fact Abbot has some very left wing views when it comes to unemployment / welfare but his own party crucified him for it.

[Macca]

Labor/Shorten are lesser of two evils for me.

But I wish they'd scrap the whole thing and go benevolent dictatorship. The adversarial bullshit is so hard for me to stomach. And the bastards ruined the NBN so **** em

Actually just another sub point. If the leaders swapped parties. I'd be so down for hating a Shorten-led Libs and all over the Turnster's Labor.

[plague]

If the leaders swapped parties. I'd be so down for hating a Shorten-led Libs and all over the Turnster's Labor.

Well yeah you pretty much just answered the question.

and it's this very reason why I cheered for Trump.