The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[The Dunster]

nah, you are a smart man and your ANZAC day comment is pretty much what im getting at.

ANZAC day is a day when a bunch of Brits royally ****ed us over and a bunch of Turks wiped out a bunch of young blokes who didnt stand a chance.

but

ANZAC day isnt spent abusing, or blaming the Turks. Its about understanding what happened, embracing the fact that we dont do that shit anymore and in the immortal words of Julia Gillard and Mark Jones "moving forward". As you said having a few tins and a feed isnt being disrespectful to anybody.

If your local pollie wanted to ban all Oktoberfest parties because of what the Germans did in WW2 would we all be happy with that? I mean how dare we celebrate when the poor Jews got wiped out right?

Im not referencing Oz day specifically, (that discussion has been had), but this constant babble that the attitudes of 1788 are still prevalent today and how dare you celebrate your culture is what irks me.

We've improved all facets of our lives, we finally treat chicks, the gheys and the immigrants 50 billion times better now that what we did back then (and better than a lot of countries still do today).

I dont have anything to feel guilty about.

Pass me a t-bone please.

Sorry Plague - the treatment of minority groups today is no better than it was in the past. I'm actually surprised you would have fallen for the media bait on this one.
The main difference today is that discrimination now is more rampant / covering more groups / cohorts than it was in the past which makes it appear that certain minorities are getting a better deal.
Given a choice I'd choose to live in the 50's 60's and 70's anytime over what we have become in the last 30 odd years.
People have been travelling on a road to nowhere so long they have forgotten how good things used to be.

[WolfMan]

RE: moving the Hottest 100 - good idea. Ok, so it’s the next day and things are no better for the greater Aboriginal community.

But at least it allows for the day itself to be recognised and not diluted by an audio version of Countdown hosted by our mate Molly.

And on ANZAC day, it is a very different occasion on the other side of the acronym. No massive hordes getting white-girl wasted at watering holes across the ditch. And some might say, a more respectful and appropriate remembrance of those that have given their lives so that we may live ours

[boz-monaut]

yep move Straya Day to 8 May

you'd then basically get a two week Straya piss up at the end of summer - cunce could stay blind from 25 April

[plague]

Sorry Plague - the treatment of minority groups today is no better than it was in the past.


Given a choice I'd choose to live in the 50's 60's and 70's anytime over what we have become in the last 30 odd years.

I can’t vouch for if it was better or worse back in the good old days but with everyone having a camera these days busting your local ranting racist on the train is easier than ever.

(and god bless social media for it, call the ****ers out i say) but whether there’s ‘more’ or ‘less’ tolerance these days is not my hill to die on.

As for living in the ‘50/60/70’s
- 1962 Aboriginal people got to vote.
- 1984 it stopped being illegal for blokes to get it on together (the SA cops were still throwing gays in the river back in the early ‘70’s).

Again, now ain’t perfect, but it’s better for a hell of a lot of peeps out there.

[plague]

yep move Straya Day to 8 May

What is the significance of May 8?

[pv4]

What is the significance of May 8?

Mate ops:

[plague]

Mate ops:

Let me see is that the Star Wars day?

and of course it should be 21/8 but the United Nations has decreed that the greatest day in life.

Wait, is it Trumps birthday?

[pv4]

Star Wars Day is 4th of May = May the 4th be with you

May 8 = May Eight = MAYEIGHT = MEIGHT = MATE = maaaaaaaate

[Bon]

[The Dunster]

I can’t vouch for if it was better or worse back in the good old days but with everyone having a camera these days busting your local ranting racist on the train is easier than ever.

(and god bless social media for it, call the ****ers out i say) but whether there’s ‘more’ or ‘less’ tolerance these days is not my hill to die on.

As for living in the ‘50/60/70’s
- 1962 Aboriginal people got to vote.
- 1984 it stopped being illegal for blokes to get it on together (the SA cops were still throwing gays in the river back in the early ‘70’s).

Again, now ain’t perfect, but it’s better for a hell of a lot of peeps out there.

2017 - Everyone can vote - but your vote doesn't count because the same khunts call all the shots regardless of which party is in government.
2017 - It's illegal to be a man. Instead you are legally bound to be an emasculated conformist.
2017 - Kids today are in terrible physical shape because they are either playing video games inside or forced to do hours of homework to "improve" their lives.
2017 - Women now have the right to work hard all day for a wage then come home and do it all again for no pay at all.
2017 - Body shaming is the new national pastime - taking PED's is now viewed as healthy [most of the time - until the plutocrats decide to stir up the masses - and confuse everyone].

[Wilso8948]

I feel the whole issue has moved away from Reconciliation. At what stage is forgiveness going to be at the forefront? Will moving a music vote do anything for the plight of Indigenous people? Or will it give Lefties a warm fuzzy feeling while stirring hate amongst the far right? Like others have said eventually we need to recognise the mistakes/failings of the past and learn from these. And while ever we are looking at happenings over 200 years ago we will miss some seriously good shit that occurs in everyday life. Forgiveness is the key to the closure many are seeking.

[The Dunster]

I feel the whole issue has moved away from Reconciliation. At what stage is forgiveness going to be at the forefront? Will moving a music vote do anything for the plight of Indigenous people? Or will it give Lefties a warm fuzzy feeling while stirring hate amongst the far right? Like others have said eventually we need to recognise the mistakes/failings of the past and learn from these. And while ever we are looking at happenings over 200 years ago we will miss some seriously good shit that occurs in everyday life. Forgiveness is the key to the closure many are seeking.

Pretty much.

The issue is that there is no "WE". The country is completely divided be it by race, culture, religion, economics, ideology... you name it.

The fact we are having these discussions via a computer / phone screen demonstrates that things won't be getting better anytime soon.

Left vs Right ? No such thing. We really only have right and extreme right now. The left was defeated a long time ago.

[belchardo]

Pretty much.

The issue is that there is no "WE". The country is completely divided be it by race, culture, religion, economics, ideology... you name it.

The fact we are having these discussions via a computer / phone screen demonstrates that things won't be getting better anytime soon.

Left vs Right ? No such thing. We really only have right and extreme right now. The left was defeated a long time ago.

john pilger is still kicking around somewhere ain't he?

[plague]

2017 - Everyone can vote - but your vote doesn't count because the same khunts call all the shots regardless of which party is in government.
emasculated conformist.

well we can argue the rest of your points are personal choices and the onus should be on the individual to deal with.



But



This first one I totally agree with.
Especially after the bullshit that was pulled in the Qld state election last weekend changing to compulsory preference voting.

It was the most corrupt and disgusting manipulation of the voting process we’ve prob ever seen but it got by without a whimper.

Now, before anyone starts, yes it was legal and it was super super clever, but that doesn’t make it fair.

Add to that the banning of certain legit businesses from being able to support a political party and the whole system needs to be burned the **** down.

Hopefully when we finally get a republic President Warnie can sort this mess out.

[The Dunster]

Mad man rant time.

Have a look at junior athletics times between 1960's to present and you will see that kids today are slower than both their parents and grand parents. No high tech training, no specialist diets, and certainly no supplements.
A lot of club records from the 60's and 70's still stand. Some of it can be explained by timing errors - but the majority of them are because of the nintendo effect.

Everything today is measured in dollars - and it's a massive problem because the perfect numeraire does not exist - and it's certainly not fiat money.

By saying this comes down to simply my opinion is a very cheap way out.

Body shaming - you'd have to be blind to not think it was a device used to manipulate behaviour for essentially monetary and political gain.

There are cases of island nations with no examples of eating disorders and the like for centuries - within a few years of reciving access to western media - bulimia / anorexia are effecting them.
Young men these days go to all sorts of lengths to look a certain way for fear of not being attractive to females.... or males.

It's so sad to see just how low the bar has been set.

Women - for every metre they gain in one respect they lose two in another. You can't fight nature and expect to win but the media have convinced women they can - and they are and will be paying a massive price for it.

Botox ? I mean ffs it looks ridiculous - but somehow with the right marketing campaigning it's a winner. The fact it makes cyanide look like tic tacs doesn't seem to bother anyone.

Aboriginal health - is a national disgrace.
Mental health today - again national disgrace
Youth unemployment ........ and so on.

Yet we all sit back and take pot shots at the victims.

Don't get me started on that Beyond Blue shit.. FMD there cannot be a bigger load of shit. You tell an employer you have depression issues and you are finished.

[hawk]

2017 - Everyone can vote - but your vote doesn't count because the same khunts call all the shots regardless of which party is in government.
2017 - It's illegal to be a man. Instead you are legally bound to be an emasculated conformist.
2017 - Kids today are in terrible physical shape because they are either playing video games inside or forced to do hours of homework to "improve" their lives.
2017 - Women now have the right to work hard all day for a wage then come home and do it all again for no pay at all.
2017 - Body shaming is the new national pastime - taking PED's is now viewed as healthy [most of the time - until the plutocrats decide to stir up the masses - and confuse everyone].

Wow, I didnt think anyone took notice of this. Not even men care about mens issues even though we are ALL portrayed and abhorrent bullying losers. Talk about general-ism.

Anyway. I see what you're getting at where some issues have improved but many more have arrived.

As for political parties, for me they're both fairly incompetent and somewhat corrupt and finding some party to align with each persons different ideals is impossible.

[hawk]

Botox ? I mean ffs it looks ridiculous - but somehow with the right marketing campaigning it's a winner. The fact it makes cyanide look like tic tacs doesn't seem to bother anyone.

No way. Youve missed the real problem. Thats women trying to out do each other, get artificial self satisfaction (narcissistic) and cheat ageing and if some slick doctor advertises it then say NO. Dont put that false guilt shit onto general Australia cause its getting boring. Same with smoking since the 90's. Most started cause they were weak or thought they were some big hero.

At some point people have to take real responsibility to help themselves. Some do and get nowhere, feel sorry those and is happening more often. Alot dont including many of the minorities you mentioned.

You too have been enormously sucked into believing supposed shame from the groups you perceived to have disappeared.

Of course i can see some of the stuff that you mentioned by the cashed up arrogant right but we have choices to avoid as well. If no one buys maccas in the world we could send them broke but that isnt happening though because humans are weak. We arent going too bad here.

[plague]

im with Hawk for the most part i blame the individual or getting sucked into the "keeping up with the Jones' hustle".
ive also got a young kid, he plays sport at least 4 times a week and eats super healthy (seriously dads, how hard is to cook up a steak and stir fry some veg for the little ones in your life).
All this on both parents working full time.

it can be done so i have a hard time hearing the sob stories.

but yeah for sure its tough on some people but by now if you havent worked out that Maccas will make ya fat and the dude from One Direction doesnt give a toss about you but just wants to sell you a ringtone then i feel i cant help ya.

[plague]

also: if the govt wants to subsidise something that will make society better, then make Foxtel free.

serious, the sooner these clowns get away from Free to air with those variety of dating shows and 'reality tv' the better.

mandate that everyone needs to have sport on all the time. inspire the little ones to grow up to be a Sam Kerr or Roy ODonovan not a ****ing Kardashian.

sometimes the easiest answers are the ones right on front of your face.

[parksey]

I feel the whole issue has moved away from Reconciliation. At what stage is forgiveness going to be at the forefront? Will moving a music vote do anything for the plight of Indigenous people? Or will it give Lefties a warm fuzzy feeling while stirring hate amongst the far right? Like others have said eventually we need to recognise the mistakes/failings of the past and learn from these. And while ever we are looking at happenings over 200 years ago we will miss some seriously good shit that occurs in everyday life. Forgiveness is the key to the closure many are seeking.

the argument triple j is making is they've moved it to take the political debate away from the countdown. it's big news now of course, and yeah it is a political statement, but in a few years time it'll just be normal.

if they didn't move it, every year it would be the same thing. they asked their listeners who voted in favour.

triple j does a lot for indigenous australians as far as providing a national platform for indigenous musicians, and supports several aboriginal and torres strait islander initiatives both financially and with coverage.