The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[Bremsstrahlung]

Same reason people defend women's rights and discrimination, but don't defend men is the same situations.
Same reason people defend African-Americans from discrimination, but don't defend Caucasians in the same situations.

It's 10 x harder to defend a majority, as they are already seen to be in the advantageous position. But much easier to defend minority groups.

Edit: not that I agree, but I think this is why.

[My2BobsWorth]

You are an agnostic. It's a good thing because you neither take or reject anything without evidence.

He'll be at the preacher for the stats.

[snake]

Christians believe that not believing is the only non-forgivable sin

i know you're only a kid, so i don't hold you responsible for this, but this sentence is quite possibly the most ****ed up statement in the history of the forum. such is the amorality of the abrahamic religions.

by this logic, i, who cannot believe, who has no faith, am a worse person that a child murderer or rapist, provided they believe.

if god were existant (pro tip: he's almost certainly not), i'd be pleased to say i'm not his mate

[snake]

Agree about Quantum Mechanics. And it pretty much placed the dividing line between science and religion once and for all. The Christians could no longer argue about intelligent design and a deterministic universe given the existence of a universal constant with a non-zero value [Plancks Constant]

Without the Arab scholars much of our histories would have been lost throughout the dark ages and as such many of the building blocks upon which modern science and methodology were built upon.

They also made solid contributions to physics, astronomy, biology, universal healthcare, and mathematics.

As such, Islamic scholars were so highly regarded up until the end of the golden age that they were very well paid for their efforts.

Compare this to Christianity which blatantly opposes science and has absolutely no respect for evidenced based research.

The problen for the Islamic world is that they peaked a very long time ago and beyond the last of the golden age scholars it could be argued that not only was there little if any progress - they may have even regressed.

no doubt they had previously made massive contributions, but you could be stronger with the last statement - they have done nothing lately. for a lazy 1+ billion people with supposedly the best textbook on the planet, they've hardly made an impact of late.

agree re: christians. not just the historical meddling but the more recent stuff in schools disgusts me. i feel sorry for the children

[plague]

i know you're only a kid, so i don't hold you responsible for this, but this sentence is quite possibly the most ****ed up statement in the history of the forum. such is the amorality of the abrahamic religions.

by this logic, i, who cannot believe, who has no faith, am a worse person that a child murderer or rapist, provided they believe.

if god were existant (pro tip: he's almost certainly not), i'd be pleased to say i'm not his mate

Ok legit question: esp for Joel and Member.
If you are a staunch non believer when you die do you still go to the pearly gates to be judged or do you just not exist so therefore go somewhere else?

[snake]

I see it as a real shame that many people think that Christianity and science are polar opposites. There are many Christians who are unfortunately like that but there are so many that accept both and understand the compatibility.

Science can explain the how but not the why.

Personally I see them as complementary with science explaining how God's creation operates.

See this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJMp6p3tLj4) from Professor of Mathematics at Oxford who discusses the compatibility of science and God

There are also many of the so-called formative scientists who were Christians or believed in God (http://www.godandscience.org/apologe...encefaith.html)

re founding scientists. joel:

1, just abou everyone was religious in those days. there was no simpler explanation available at the time to explain seemingly 'miraculous' phenomena. statistically, the had to have been religious.

2, the founding chemists were alchemists, who believed they could convert base metals to gold throgh mixing chemicals. does this meen alchemy is a useful field of investigation?

3, if science and religion were compatible, wouldn't the general level of religosit of scientists stay at a high level? wouldn't the evidence support the belief? the decreased religosity of scientists and academics as a collective is probably due to the incompatibilty of the two systems. for instance, see Darwin.

[snake]

An agnostic who is actively searching for the evidence.

perfectly valid. may i ask "how" you are searching?

[snake]

The bible also has references to Homosexuality and its stance in other parts of the old testament and new testament.

Leviticus is just probably the most famous

it also has references to slavery, what's your point?

[plague]

The Jets won.
Clearly there is a God.
Close thread.

[The Dunster]

Dissenters were not allowed to hold fellowships at Cambridge until very late into the 19th Century.
Newton was a dissenter, an alchemist, and a practicing homosexual - so I laughed when I saw him on Joel31's god squad list.

[pv4]

perfectly valid. may i ask "how" you are searching?

Attending church and bible study groups.

Reading the bible.

Doing google searches on things that interest me as i hear/read them.

Talking to people of varying belief systems.

[pv4]

He'll be at the preacher for the stats.

I genuinely love your sig

[Blackmac79]

Understanding context of biblical text is something that those who become pastors, priests etc. spend a large portion of time learning. Particularly in the Baptist schools. I believe that there has been a significant swing recently in what the Baptist church (at least in NSW and ACT) teach, which is less to do with a change in idea, but rather a change in thinking from "set in stone" to contextulised teaching.

As for some people saying "Curse God (god) for illness, disease and death", you obviously don't want a god that doesn't control every facet of your life, so would you like a god that does? I shouldn't think so. I don't think you can have it both ways. Only those who die are truly free from this anyway.

To clarify my own position I am probably fairly similar to PV4, however due to my parental guidance I actually have some training in "scripture" say. That was before though, and would say that I am far more Gnostic rather than particularly devoted to a singular thought of salvation. Will probably land me in hell though.

[joel31]

re founding scientists. joel:

1, just abou everyone was religious in those days. there was no simpler explanation available at the time to explain seemingly 'miraculous' phenomena. statistically, the had to have been religious.

2, the founding chemists were alchemists, who believed they could convert base metals to gold throgh mixing chemicals. does this meen alchemy is a useful field of investigation?

3, if science and religion were compatible, wouldn't the general level of religosit of scientists stay at a high level? wouldn't the evidence support the belief? the decreased religosity of scientists and academics as a collective is probably due to the incompatibilty of the two systems. for instance, see Darwin.

2. Copernicus, Bacon, Kepler, Galileo, Planck, etc. These aren't just your alchemists
3. Seeing as, as I said they answer different questions are life, scientists personal religious views shouldn't affect their scientific development. I've seen a few videos about a guy interviewing science students at some American universities about why they deny their religion and their reasoning is hardly evidence-based

[joel31]

Ok legit question: esp for Joel and Member.
If you are a staunch non believer when you die do you still go to the pearly gates to be judged or do you just not exist so therefore go somewhere else?

The bible says that everyone is going to see God in his glory and be judged by him. What that looks like idk but if the God of the bible is true then you will see God and be judged

[MFKS]

I can see in some regards our atheists supporters are preparing themselves well for eternity in the after life by their choice of football club.


After spending a lifetime supporting the Jets eternity in hell for denying Gods existence will be a walk in the park for them.

[boz-monaut]

or we might just use proof, evidence and keep an open mind when it comes to understanding the universe, rather than rely on what some bronze age goat herders in some shitty desert thought

once you make the decision to chose what some holy book says over reason and logic, it's a short slippery slide to hate crimes, suicide bombing and holy wars - all religious minds are crazy, it's just a matter of how crazy

[joel31]

i know you're only a kid, so i don't hold you responsible for this, but this sentence is quite possibly the most ****ed up statement in the history of the forum. such is the amorality of the abrahamic religions.

by this logic, i, who cannot believe, who has no faith, am a worse person that a child murderer or rapist, provided they believe.

if god were existant (pro tip: he's almost certainly not), i'd be pleased to say i'm not his mate

Think about it this way. Seeing as you hate God would you really want to be with him in heaven for eternity if he was real? You answered this yourself. This is what heaven is so its not a place that those who hate God want to be so wouldn't you want to be not forgiven.

Also how does my age have any impact of this situation, I'm not going to tell you any specifics but I am old enough to think about issues and make decisions by himself. As you've probably guessed I grew up in the church but if I thought it was all evidence-less crap, I would've left the church

[joel31]

or we might just use proof, evidence and keep an open mind when it comes to understanding the universe, rather than rely on what some bronze age goat herders in some shitty desert thought

once you make the decision to chose what some holy book says over reason and logic, it's a short slippery slide to hate crimes, suicide bombing and holy wars - all religious minds are crazy, it's just a matter of how crazy

the bible doesn't advocate the things you listed. I don't think you'll find Christians doing these types of things in the modern day in the name of God. Even if they did, they're craziness wouldn't be as a result in the belief in a God that opposes such things

[The Dunster]

2. Copernicus, Bacon, Kepler, Galileo, Planck, etc. These aren't just your alchemists
3. Seeing as, as I said they answer different questions are life, scientists personal religious views shouldn't affect their scientific development. I've seen a few videos about a guy interviewing science students at some American universities about why they deny their religion and their reasoning is hardly evidence-based

Ask yourself this:

If my faith is so strong then why do I look both ways when I cross the road ?

It certainly is not common sense.