Yeah Triff scored 9 goals, including 5 pens but no assists in those 22 games and how many sitters did he miss that likes of Berisha, MacLaren or Fornaroli would have eaten up?Originally Posted by plague
Fact is when he left there was barely a murmur among supporters, why...because he is just an average striker, a couple of levels below a player like Nordstrand who is clearly quality and made an impact when he came to the club.
ok.
firstly, assists is a garbage excuse for a stat so get that shit out of here. or better still explain to me why it matters.
How many assists did the Ooga Booga man have? is he any good?
If you don't think Berisha, Maclaren and Fornaroli don't miss sitters then you aren't watching the games. you're the stat dude, why don't you come at me with some numbers on how many sitters they missed as well as Triffo. You should also remember that we aren't signing any of those other 3 blokes, we have what we have, and we have them because it seems that no one wants to play for this club. Compared to what we've had in the past Triffo was far from unimpressive.
also, everyone rejoiced once Nobby came in, but in truth no one had heard of him either.
the level of joy over Nobby sounds roughly the same as the noise around Alidovic after his first half season.
buy boy didn't the same superfans turn on him fast. for a bunch of people claiming they love the club blah blah blah you're all so fickle on these players and are so happy for them to be removed from their workplace.
its a ****ing garbage attitude to have toward people but anyway you guys go for it.
same horse different jockey.
I think you talking Nordstrand up a bit there.......He is ok but hasn't set the league on fire (yet) and his fitness (Age related?) was bellow par......
Dare to Zlatan
Originally Posted by Grimario
He won't make that mistake at Newcastle since our team is full of number 2's.
You are kidding...assists is a garbage excuse for a stat so get that shit out of here
Broich doesn't score a heap of goals but (apart from last season) he is usually right up there in terms of assists...but okay this means nothing in the grand scheme of things according to plague
I'm getting the feeling that we are just treading on old well worn tracks here on Triff....time to move on!
Dani Alves has more La Liga assists than both Xavi and Iniesta.
So you're saying Alves is better than Xavi and Iniesta or are you saying that Xavi and Iniesta are underperforming?
explain your assists argument a bit better please.
The horse keeps changing too!
Wasn't that what we were talking by about? Constantly finding bad horses?
Now you won't an argument just for the sake of trying to prove a point....that the club should have kept Triff!?
Yeah stats don't always give the full picture but still assists give a snapshot of a players overall effectivness.
If you can't understand this then sorry I can't help you.
No.
You pointed to a stat that backed up your argument, then when the stats went against your argument you said stats don't give a full picture.
So if stats don't give a full picture stop pointing to one of them to back up your argument.
Just say you don't like him and be honest. That's all I'm asking.
Because as a fan your opinion is all you've got. I respect everyone's opinion, so stand behind yours.
But just to be clear is 'overall effectiveness' a stat or nah?
Because I couldn't find it on the Castrol/Opta index of all things right and true.
Help a brother out please.
Firstly, the "stats" did not go against my argument, how is comparing a fullback and 2 midfielders from Barca at all relevant to my original comment about Triff playing most of the season and not providing a single assist?
Really you are pulling at strings now and accusing me of not liking him, that is a baseless argument.
So if in Triff's case I feel that as a visa player we can find someone who is better suited to the physicallity of the A-League as a #9, with a bit more pace and aggression, someone who can provide a bit more end-product....be that goals or assists....but I am only saying that because I do not like Triff!!!
You seem to have a habit of clouding the issue or the argument plague and going off on a tangent just so you can get the upper-hand in the argument....am I right?
There is no stat that says Triff was a lazy **** who didn't do much for most of the time is there? Plague?
It ain't like it was just Millertime who wanted rid of him. Rank and file punters were on his case early on in the season cause they could see his lack of effort
i think the stat you're looking for is 'perception'. most people have access to it.
I've no problem if you don't rate him.
I've no problem if Miller didnt rate him.
I've a problem with people saying "look this is why he is shit" and pointing to some garbage stat that has been shown to be useless.
I also have a problem with the coach bagging him when it seems like the player he was bagging was the exact same player he signed.
even you will admit Miller early in the season had no problem throwing his players under the bus al the while not using subs, bringing defenders on when trailing in games and seeming to play tactics counter productive to the strengths of the players he had on the park.
lets hope the next striker is exactly what the fans want.
lets hope Nobby doesn't turn into Alidovic 2.0.
lets just hope, because thats all this club seems to leave us with.
this is just a dumb post.
stop hustling backwards you know damn well your stat based argument is garbage. either that stats count or they don't. you said they do, so stand behind your argument.
there is no upper hand. i don't care about winning an argument. i care about outing people hiding behind bullshit arguments in order to get away with slagging someone.
you told on yourself.
get over it.
be more like the Member, at least he sticks solid on his point.
Triff was top scorer. Triff couldn't speak English and still was top scorer. Triff woulda been even better this year. Triff had a hot wife. Triff shoulda gotten one more year. Alivodic was shit.
anyway all this bagging of players by some of you reminded me of how much negativity is on this foz these days.
so therefore i present this photo as an ongoing peace offering hoping you blokes who keep undermining the players can some day be at peace.
stopper - for reference, and i genuinely don't know the answer to this.. what is the goal:assist ratio for other out-and-out number 9s, similar ilk to Triff, in the world?
Like how many goals does Mario Mandzukic get for every assist? Mario Gomez? Lukaku?
Would be interesting to compare, if you're keen.
OK
Mandzukic - 36, 13, 6
Lukaku - 46, 25, 7
Gomes - 41, 28, 6
Bloke is no longer here, get over it FFS.
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