The Hunt for a New Manager - 16/17 Edition

[The Camel]

Dunno bout you guys, but I'll be pretty damn happy when we win games, and if we make top 6. I'll be pissed when we lose and miss out on finals football.
Sure, on paper this isn't great, but paper doesn't win games, doesn't count for much at all tbh. If he comes in and wins games you'll still pile shit on the guy.
Who coaches, who plays, who scored, who dives, who gets sacked, doesn't bother me. Nobody is bigger than the club. So I'll reserve my judgement until we have played some games.

Go and ask the Adelaide fans how happy they are that he'll now have nothing to do with their youth.

[380]

Possession football's not much chop if ya aint goin forward Gary.

This x 100

Stats more important than results under CC AKA GVE.

[turbojetfireV8]

my main problem apart from him actually being unproven at this level is the two year appointment - if he is Stubbins MkII then we have to pay him out to get rid of him instead of just giving him an initial contract of twelve months to prove himself and we'll go from there - I'd be happy to pay him an improved contract (providing the current one is minimum wage, anything more than that would be WTF were they thinking territory) but only if and when he shows he is the right man for the job, all this 100% Newy boy shit means phuck all if he can't mould us into a competitive unit and has to make the same old excuses 'not my team, wouldn't have signed XYZ etc', it's not like he is in high demand as a gaffer and we needed to lure him FFS...

[turbojetfireV8]

Can I suggest a useful way to end the Myths of the Egg? Someone approach Griff and ask him what he thought of GVE, then report here what the Griff said.

so if Griffo comes back and says GVE's a total khunt you will accept that and stop all the GVE lovefest shit??

[Couscous]

Yes. I assume the reverse is also true

[turbojetfireV8]

he's made too many enemies in this town for the reverse to ever be true, so that's a no...

[GazFish35]

my main problem apart from him actually being unproven at this level is the two year appointment - if he is Stubbins MkII then we have to pay him out to get rid of him instead of just giving him an initial contract of twelve months to prove himself and we'll go from there - I'd be happy to pay him an improved contract (providing the current one is minimum wage, anything more than that would be WTF were they thinking territory) but only if and when he shows he is the right man for the job, all this 100% Newy boy shit means phuck all if he can't mould us into a competitive unit and has to make the same old excuses 'not my team, wouldn't have signed XYZ etc', it's not like he is in high demand as a gaffer and we needed to lure him FFS...

Agree with the sentiment but...

The 2 years gives a little more stability and certainty for the players, and future players - in January he'd be in a weakened place to attract new players if he himself wasn't contracted beyond the end of this season.

And....

Ledman has the coin to pay him out if he's shit anyway.

[Butler]

yea but he was based in adelaide i think. didnt his mrs own a head job shop down there?

free head jobs to celebrate win? Jacko wants to know

[Wilso8948]

ffs round 1 can't come soon enough. So much bullshit on here.

Captain Obvs?

[RAM]

Anyone posted that campaign photo yet?

What a ****ing debacle.

[belchardo]

So grammar nerdz, should the word 'Club' have been spelt with a capitol 'c' every time in that press release?

sorry, bit late arriving here. think boz has answered your query.

spelling police would pick you up on your incorrect use of capitol/capital however.

[turbojetfireV8]

agree with boz as well, capitalisation is for the proper noun (proper name) of the club, the common noun club doesn't need it, would be a bit of overkill

[plague]

spelling police would pick you up on your incorrect use of capitol/capital however.

Sorry, 'Kapitol'.

[belchardo]

Sorry, 'Kapitol'.

[turbojetfireV8]

Das Kapital?

[skullboy]

What does playing history have anything to do with your ability to coach? On that front Jones is already a mile ahead of Miller. There is no direct correlation between how good you were as a player and your capability as a coach. What position did Mourinho play? Who for? Give me his playing history! For the record, I would have loved Miller to be given the gig for 4-5 years, but obviously he made his errors and paid the ultimate price for his alleged hardline stance. Everytime Jones has been involved with the club (and I may need the stats man here) my recollection is that we have a reduced injury occurrence, improved defensive capacity and have generally improved competitively.

We should have gone for a foreign coach for the Socceroos as the the most highly credentialed is always the best option. Oh wait. Someone with an understanding of the local/national fabric whom already has a first hand knowledge of the football landscape in this country has our NT performing and playing good quality football. Sometimes, the local can be the better option.

There are more highly credentialed individuals out there but it does not necessarily mean they will be the most suited to the job profile.

I see this as a double appointment which will help to galvanise the current playing squad, not mix things up too much and carry on the good work of the previous coach. An outsider could have come in and just changed everything.. Leading to potentially fatal initial results (which would have some fans raging as to his/her failure in not getting immediate results).

From what I have heard and read, former players that have played under Jones have been mightily impressed with him and have championed his installment as Head Coach.

Yes, it will appear as 'jobs for the boys' and until he starts getting results he won't be able to change that perception.

You're willing to write him off but yet you don't know his tactical philosophy? Nothing like storming into a fight and not knowing why you are hating on the other guy! He has come out and said that the defence is essentially needing some minor tweaking but the improvement needs to be made in the goalscoring front. Not sure I read in there anything about the way he likes to play, although there is a good piece by David Lowe if you want some more information/insight.

Supporting his appointment may actually bring about positive change and results for the club. However, I suppose it is easier to whip out your keyboard and predict failure.

Good luck with that attitude.

Crikey!!! thanks for your reply Mrs Jones.

Well Mourinho played 2nd Division in Portugal and Miller played NPL in Victoria 15 years ago as compared to NSL 25 years ago. I wouldn't put Jones' playing career "a mile ahead" of either.

I agree however, that playing record is not a reliable indicator of how a person will perform as a manager. A player's philosophy will often carry through to their managerial career though. So why is it you want Mourinho's playing history if you don't think it matters?

Your "recollection" of Jones' performance as an assistant coach doesn't cut it in a factual sense any more than an assessment based on playing history. Assistants do what they are told by the head coach. Even stats about having "generally improved competitively" won't cut it as an argument when he wasn't actually in charge. Or even if he was actually in charge without stats to back them up. Which is my whole point. We haven't been given any stats or other football reasons for the appointment.

The national team appointed a well credentialed and successful manager who has a proven ability to overhaul teams and cultures and win competitions including a few A-league championships. They didn't appoint a local for the sake of appointing a local. He achieved success in the A-League in 2 different clubs in different cities and then with the national team pulling in players from League's all around the world. "Local" knowledge has had little or nothing to do with his success. How does Jones' managerial record stack up against Ange's? The losing culture at the club needs to change, not be understood and accepted.

Player's opinions count for nothing. Results are the only things that matter.

I didn't write him off by the way. I just think the wrong decision has been made for the wrong reasons (jobs for the boys), but I hope it turns out that the right decision has been made for the wrong reasons. That fact remains that the decision was made for the wrong reasons, and blind Freddy knew two weeks ago who was going to get the job.

I'm not "storming into" a fight, nor do I hate or even dislike Mark personally. In terms of philosophy again, I have seen nothing about him saying we need improvement in the goal scoring area. Quite the opposite - both in the press on NBN last night and at the season launch on Sunday he talked about improving defence and holding on to the ball - not scoring goals.

But you go right ahead and believe that everything is going to be fine now because, well, it just will.

Good luck with that attitude.

[GazFish35]

Saucer of Milk?

[Grimario]

Shame we didn't wait a few weeks, we could had BFS

[lquiquer]

Shame we didn't wait a few weeks, we could had BFS

Trying to work out who BFS is.....

[Jeterpool]

Trying to work out who BFS is.....

Big Fat Sam (Allardyce)