Yes we can and we are. Of course the team isnt great but, Jones is rubbish. No amount of sympathising will change mindsOriginally Posted by MFKS
Yes we can and we are. Of course the team isnt great but, Jones is rubbish. No amount of sympathising will change minds
Then something obliviously happned and Jones lack of man mangement was found out
This ain't a computer game.
Man Management what a pile of shit you spruiking
These shit ****s were making the same ****ed up mistakes prior to the last 6 weeks.
It is just now that they have given up the ghost as they have no ability and no heart.
That got nothing to do with Jones
You dont think Man management is a thing WOW.
Last edited by StannyCFCJET; 15-04-2017 at 01:48 AM.
No I just don't think running a football team is based on same aspects as playing a computer game which you do
even Graham Arnold banged on there a while back about seeking advice from people like Wayne Bennett and other successful team managers in the past to help him with his man management skills to get the most out of his players, and I would hazard a guess that Paul Okon is better at it than Mark Jones simply from watching their respective teams play, the way ours just drops its collective heads is a sign of that, part of that loss of heart is a lack of confidence in the structure and tactics too, if they believed the gameplan was good enough surely they'd be fighting till the final whistle, either the gameplan isn't good enough or the coach has failed to sell it to them, maybe both (unless of course you are telling me player for player the Gyppos are in fact a better team than us...)
Life isn't the same without Con... but it can only improve without Tinks...
I believe our players are mentally piss weakeven Graham Arnold banged on there a while back about seeking advice from people like Wayne Bennett and other successful team managers in the past to help him with his man management skills to get the most out of his players, and I would hazard a guess that Paul Okon is better at it than Mark Jones simply from watching their respective teams play, the way ours just drops its collective heads is a sign of that, part of that loss of heart is a lack of confidence in the structure and tactics too, if they believed the gameplan was good enough surely they'd be fighting till the final whistle, either the gameplan isn't good enough or the coach has failed to sell it to them, maybe both (unless of course you are telling me player for player the Gyppos are in fact a better team than us...)
Other than Hoffman the Newy lads are the worst of the lot.
Hoffman may well be average but he trying every week
As for the rest of them no heart
Jets vs Mariners. Who do the Jets have comparable to O'Donavan, Montgomery, and Ferreira ?even Graham Arnold banged on there a while back about seeking advice from people like Wayne Bennett and other successful team managers in the past to help him with his man management skills to get the most out of his players, and I would hazard a guess that Paul Okon is better at it than Mark Jones simply from watching their respective teams play, the way ours just drops its collective heads is a sign of that, part of that loss of heart is a lack of confidence in the structure and tactics too, if they believed the gameplan was good enough surely they'd be fighting till the final whistle, either the gameplan isn't good enough or the coach has failed to sell it to them, maybe both (unless of course you are telling me player for player the Gyppos are in fact a better team than us...)
Blaming Jones for our players being mentally weak a-league impostors is ridiculous as well.
Few if any of these players are going to be snapped up by any top six clubs let alone the top four.
Jones may not be the answer but he's certainly not the problem either.
The problem is we pay too much for players who either have not proven themselves or for those that have their best days behind them.
The new owner though seems to have improved things somewhat. When Hoole wanted to haggle - I think pulling the offer from the table was brilliant - and if that sort of thing was happening in the past the club would be in a much netter position than it is now.
If that type of thing ruffled players feathers then great - it simply tells us right away they are not the type of players we need here at the Jets.
Last edited by The Dunster; 15-04-2017 at 12:40 PM.
Point taken Dunster, but Arnold obviously held the bloke in enough esteem to want to take his advice, personally have 0 interest in that code or AFL, but Arnold was obviously interested in improving his own skills as a team leader hence why he sought out people he thought would be useful (don't remember who else he mentioned but perhaps Ange and an AFL coach at the top end of their field)
Back to the other point: So Jones is now allowed to hide behind the excuse that the players are all uncoachable, even the ones he gave contracts and extensions to? His golden boys of Koutroumbis and Jackson have been at the forefront of those making unforced errors of late (JK didn't play last week true, but the past few weeks before he was definitely sub par). Giving Jones another year to reinforce the fact he cannot motivate Jack Schitt is definitely settling for mediocrity at its lowest ebb, even good players will underperform in that kind of environment.
He has to go now, rather than give him another twelve months to prove he really really really is not the coach to revitalise Newcastle's flagship... shit, McKinna would be doing a better job than him at this point if he was coach...
Life isn't the same without Con... but it can only improve without Tinks...
I don't think Jones is the answer either. But until the club gets rid of the many ridiculously over paid players on the roster I can't see the point in replacing him.Point taken Dunster, but Arnold obviously held the bloke in enough esteem to want to take his advice, personally have 0 interest in that code or AFL, but Arnold was obviously interested in improving his own skills as a team leader hence why he sought out people he thought would be useful (don't remember who else he mentioned but perhaps Ange and an AFL coach at the top end of their field)
Back to the other point: So Jones is now allowed to hide behind the excuse that the players are all uncoachable, even the ones he gave contracts and extensions to? His golden boys of Koutroumbis and Jackson have been at the forefront of those making unforced errors of late (JK didn't play last week true, but the past few weeks before he was definitely sub par). Giving Jones another year to reinforce the fact he cannot motivate Jack Schitt is definitely settling for mediocrity at its lowest ebb, even good players will under-perform in that kind of environment.
He has to go now, rather than give him another twelve months to prove he really really really is not the coach to revitalise Newcastle's flagship... shit, McKinna would be doing a better job than him at this point if he was coach...
Bringing in a new coach no matter how good / experienced won't make a lot of difference. Even if we clear out 12 players we still have that many again left who are not up to standard.
That means the players you bring in are going to be constrained by not only a lack of talent around them - but also by knowing full well that the shit surrounding them is probably on more money than they are.
How on earth will the new players feel motivated when they are getting paid less money than players around them who are clearly inferior to them ?
This is why I would clean up the mess first with Jones in charge. If he can perform a miracle he can stay. But if he doesn't then we bring in someone with a strong coaching pedigree who can get the job done - without having to deal with over paid players like Jones is currently having to contend with.
Last edited by The Dunster; 15-04-2017 at 01:47 PM.
If Jones stays club membership will be at an all time low and gamedays will be almost like a graveyard
Do you honestly think anyone with any pedigree in coaching would even want Mark Jones' job ? Given the current situation with players and the lack of resources compared to the top teams only people on the bottom of the coaching ranks would even bother applying for the job. I mean Coaching the Coast is a better gig simply because they don't have shit players on more money than they are worth like the jets do.
I mean lets lift the price of memberships at the Jets to $10k a season and see how serious you khunts are about actually winning ?
Silence all around no doubt.
But if 1000 people chipped that much in the club could buy two marquees - good ones as well.
And that's just it really - We want a successful team but none of us are willing to throw money into the hat to make it happen. Instead we just blame coaches and players.
Last edited by The Dunster; 15-04-2017 at 03:36 PM.
If Lee seriously wants to contend for an ACL place in the next two-three years he has to start spending now and start building towards a half decent team, in which case Jones has to go regardless, he has no place in a team trying to rebuild, his appointment is symptomatic of the jobs for the boys half-assed signings that have seen us reach the point we are currently at, even worse he has turned them from being half competent to being totally shit, that cannot be tolerated
Life isn't the same without Con... but it can only improve without Tinks...
If Jones Stays just give us the Wooden Spoon again and again and again
countdown starts now
I reckon the axe won't come until within a month of the new season
don't let the door hit you on the way out chump.
But who would even want his job ? I cannot see anyone wanting to risk their reputation on this club. At best we will end up with another rookie or a coach who once did well but has been a complete failure in recent years.
Last edited by The Dunster; 15-04-2017 at 09:33 PM.
If we offer enough money any coach would.
Too bad we don't have an owner with pockets that deep. We will be restricted once again to never has been or has been Australian coaches.
And then he has the problem of trying to create harmony in a dressing room whereby the highest paid players are the worst performers.
Simply no chance anyone will want the job until the shit has been cleaned off the roster - and that's going to take another season more to do.
Last edited by The Dunster; 15-04-2017 at 11:14 PM.
You know i have nothing, ask Hawk
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