The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[Frodo]

Wow, this turned into some nonsense. Payscales are not hard to work out, underpaying someone involves effort more than stupidity or accident.

The list of acts by some of these businesses includes coercing migrant workers to repay franchisees back in cash as tax withheld and threatening deportation if they spoke up. (company was informed of act multiple times but failed to act until fair work raided offices), straight up wage theft where a huge companies just inform staff to underpays people on purpose for as long as possible until they are caught (Woolies) or they have CEO's giving out bonuses for creative ways to remove entitlements from Enterprise Agreements as well as forcing delegates to agree to lower wages by threat (Grill'd). None of them were accidents, they all got caught and now the workers will get a percentage of the money owed to them repaid and the company will laugh it off as a failed ploy.

That's 3 big name companies that took years to bring to justice. Imagine how many more are just smarter at getting away with it?

But yeah, keep blaming the little guy for wanting to be paid appropriately and feeling sorry for this huge companies with 100s payroll workers checking through payroll paperwork to make sure it "complies" with a fairly simple to understand set of regulations.

[Frodo]

but thats all behaviours.
the first things kids is cry if they dont get something they want. you leave that behaviour unchecked and all of a sudden you've got yourselves a greens voter.

Greens kids are shown a world map and taught how to share. Lib kids are the ones getting told they are perfect and deserve to be treated like princesses. They are the ones trashing KMart kid sections everytime mummy tells them they can only have 1 toy today.

[plague]

Greens kids are shown a world map and taught how to share. Lib kids are the ones getting told they are perfect and deserve to be treated like princesses. They are the ones trashing KMart kid sections everytime mummy tells them they can only have 1 toy today.

awww man, my comment was a little crack, because everytime i think of it this video pops in my head and reminds me how wonderful it is to not care so much about Trump, Boris or Climate Change.


because if i ever get this 'into' it. you have my permission to shoot me.

[Frodo]

awww man, my comment was a little crack, because everytime i think of it this video pops in my head and reminds me how wonderful it is to not care so much about Trump, Boris or Climate Change.


because if i ever get this 'into' it. you have my permission to shoot me.

If I ever get that into anything you can shoot me. Jeez.. Americans have some of the weirdest subspecies of humans ever.

Also I knew you were kidding, I just re-read mine tho and maybe that was too personal. I just remember seeing the kids throwing tantrums in shops when they don't get a new toy and thinking if I tried that shit my parents would have slapped me into oblivion and left me there to fend for myself.

[plague]

my parents would have slapped me into oblivion and left me there to fend for myself.

so you read my autobiography then.......

[plague]

Wow, this turned into some nonsense. Payscales are not hard to work out, underpaying someone involves effort more than stupidity or accident.

The list of acts by some of these businesses includes coercing migrant workers to repay franchisees back in cash as tax withheld and threatening deportation if they spoke up. (company was informed of act multiple times but failed to act until fair work raided offices), straight up wage theft where a huge companies just inform staff to underpays people on purpose for as long as possible until they are caught (Woolies) or they have CEO's giving out bonuses for creative ways to remove entitlements from Enterprise Agreements as well as forcing delegates to agree to lower wages by threat (Grill'd). None of them were accidents, they all got caught and now the workers will get a percentage of the money owed to them repaid and the company will laugh it off as a failed ploy.

That's 3 big name companies that took years to bring to justice. Imagine how many more are just smarter at getting away with it?

But yeah, keep blaming the little guy for wanting to be paid appropriately and feeling sorry for this huge companies with 100s payroll workers checking through payroll paperwork to make sure it "complies" with a fairly simple to understand set of regulations.

simple to work out yet needing 100's of payroll officers to enforce? So which is it?
the 3 examples are 3 completely different circumstances.
1st sounds like some illegal shit and id have the perpetrators fired into the sun on a rocket ASAP. no problems.
ill give Woolies the benefit of the doubt. regardless of what people on here think i can understand their side of the story. Sometimes the dog really does eat your homework.
The 3rd one is a case of a company exploiting a situation. not illegal activity. you guys need to point that distinction out because its important.
the screaming pollies can close that loophole tomorrow if they wanted. but dont hate the player, hate the game on that one.
if the Grill'd blokes are found to be doing something illegal, stick them in the rocket with example number 1.

Also, just as an aside, those Grill'd dudes seem like a couple of proper assholes given all their behind the scenes bitching at each other over the years. both richer than anyone needs to be but they are petty as all **** about who deserved more dap.
assholes.

also, every single worker in this country has the ability to check every single week if they are being paid correctly. its the law to make sure they have payslips. if they are worried they can check their award or seek help online in govt departments. if they are getting dudded, speak up because thats how these things get solved. if its a legit mistake like Woolies/Bunnings etc claim, then bad PR will cost them more than they are saving on wages.

[The Dunster]

On the other side of the coin you have Arthur T. Demoulas. If all employers were like him we wouldn't need a Fair Work commission, compulsory Superannuation, or indeed any workplace regulation.

[Skirt Boy]

simple to work out yet needing 100's of payroll officers to enforce? So which is it?
the 3 examples are 3 completely different circumstances.
1st sounds like some illegal shit and id have the perpetrators fired into the sun on a rocket ASAP. no problems.
ill give Woolies the benefit of the doubt. regardless of what people on here think i can understand their side of the story. Sometimes the dog really does eat your homework.
The 3rd one is a case of a company exploiting a situation. not illegal activity. you guys need to point that distinction out because its important.
the screaming pollies can close that loophole tomorrow if they wanted. but dont hate the player, hate the game on that one.
if the Grill'd blokes are found to be doing something illegal, stick them in the rocket with example number 1.

Also, just as an aside, those Grill'd dudes seem like a couple of proper assholes given all their behind the scenes bitching at each other over the years. both richer than anyone needs to be but they are petty as all **** about who deserved more dap.
assholes.

also, every single worker in this country has the ability to check every single week if they are being paid correctly. its the law to make sure they have payslips. if they are worried they can check their award or seek help online in govt departments. if they are getting dudded, speak up because thats how these things get solved. if its a legit mistake like Woolies/Bunnings etc claim, then bad PR will cost them more than they are saving on wages.

Believe it or not. Many of these problems only became an issue after the Liberals ****wits began their attacks on the union movement. Wages have stagnated because workers no longer have any bargaining power. There has been a rise in worksite deaths. People are working more hours............Most of the workforce is either casual or part time.............

[The Dunster]

Believe it or not. Many of these problems only became an issue after the Liberals ****wits began their attacks on the union movement. Wages have stagnated because workers no longer have any bargaining power. There has been a rise in worksite deaths. People are working more hours............Most of the workforce is either casual or part time.............

Hawk and Keating got the ball rolling with the Wages and Incomes Accord. That made a lot of workers question the value of belonging to a union and Howard and his successors ran with it from there.

For whatever reason Australians overwhelmingly support the LNP so I don't see any reason why they would want to change a winning formula.

The ALP and the Union movement is one of the great myths of Australian political history anyway.

Whitlam was absolutely hated by the Union leadership during his time and yet he's still perceived as the poster boy for the left.

Fraser who was Whitlams right-wing opponent would be too far left today for even the most left-wing of the Union Movement.

[Skirt Boy]

Hawk and Keating got the ball rolling with the Wages and Incomes Accord. That made a lot of workers question the value of belonging to a union and Howard and his successors ran with it from there.

For whatever reason Australians overwhelmingly support the LNP so I don't see any reason why they would want to change a winning formula.

The ALP and the Union movement is one of the great myths of Australian political history anyway.

Whitlam was absolutely hated by the Union leadership during his time and yet he's still perceived as the poster boy for the left.

Fraser who was Whitlams right-wing opponent would be too far left today for even the most left-wing of the Union Movement.

The accords were made in exchange for a better welfare system. Full medicare, superannuation. All goals of the union movement.

[The Dunster]

The accords were made in exchange for a better welfare system. Full medicare, superannuation. All goals of the union movement.

The financial services industry and banks were the big winners from compulsory super
Medical professionals, pharmaceutical companies, and private health insurers were the big winners from medicare.

The traditional right dangled the bait and the Unions took it hook line and sinker.

There is no alternative to the Coalition in Australia. Everyone else is just a weaker / less developed version of them.

[MFKS]

Believe it or not. Many of these problems only became an issue after the Liberals ****wits began their attacks on the union movement. Wages have stagnated because workers no longer have any bargaining power. There has been a rise in worksite deaths. People are working more hours............Most of the workforce is either casual or part time.............

Add in the deployment of women into the workforce
Add in the constant supply of immigrants into the Labour market
Add in the excessive levels of beuracrcy that your leftist commy mates like inflicting on the world
I could go on with another thousand reasons why wages stagnate

The reality is if Unions actually had any pull this would never have happened
The reality is that most of them are as weak as piss and Skips voted accordingly by not joining them

That what happens when you let them get over run by socialist nutters

[plague]

Believe it or not. Many of these problems only became an issue after the Liberals ****wits began their attacks on the union movement. Wages have stagnated because workers no longer have any bargaining power. There has been a rise in worksite deaths. People are working more hours............Most of the workforce is either casual or part time.............

where did you get this info?
Because the stats i got from the official stats people (no not Jeterpool, the gubmint) say otherwise.
I didnt do every year as i figured y'all have the internet you can look this shit up.
I looked at years when the govt changed hands to see if there was any major spike.
Ive included union membership as % of the workforce next to the stats.

2007 - Kevin '07, Labor taking over from those bastard Tories 442 deaths (35% union members).
2010 - Here come the bastard tories back into power 374 deaths (Kev saved lives good job Kev). (18% union members).
2019 - Morrison the evil prick hates the workers taking over from the legacy of that murderous bastard Abbott he hated the workers too oh wait 152 deaths (14% union members).

So can someone explain how less deaths, less union members and multiple governments can back you statement up in any way shape of ****ing form?

im here for all the conversations, i appreciate the passion on all sides, but if you're gonna start putting up statements that are just flat out wrong then someones gonna go check those receipts and call you out.

[Skirt Boy]

where did you get this info?

https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au...ity-statistics

[plague]

https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au...ity-statistics

oh ill absolutely agree that this year v last year supports your point. but as a long term trend and as an indictment of government and unions ill respectfully disagree.

[Jetmaster]

Ah the unions bless 'em. For 30 years I was a fully paid up believer, loved being called "comrade" and was forever grateful that apparently they fought hard and won all my work conditions.

Then came the agreement period of LK, LJ and AWA....I think the LK is the "certified" agreement that the unions favour (could be the other way around).

I remember working in the government with one of the larger agencies during EBA time. Usual ambit claims from both sides and a final pay increase was offered as well as it being covered by an LK agreement (no union ascent needed). CPSU fought on all counts for a no vote and succeeded the first time. Dragged on for 12 months and in the end we won a smaller payrise, worked increased hours and lost a picnic day. Got a yes vote as everyone had a gutful. Why did that happen, because the CPSU wanted that LJ agreement, got it and abandoned trying to improve pay and gave away some conditions. They actually said that it was "as good as we will get". Now if that was an employer behaving like that.......

Then we found out active CPSU membership in our agency was 18%. Vocal minority wanting to dictate terms. I cancelled almost immediately and never went back, not long after I voted ALP for the last time.

Too much "I want what you have so give it to me".

Oh and re payscales, fill your boots....

https://www.payscale.com/research/AU...stralia/Salary

[Skirt Boy]

If there is a few things we can all agree on. Coasties are still ice addict gypo scum.

Jets supporters are a diverse bunch with communist revolutionaries, right wing nutjobs, business owners and blokes in the middle who vote for Scotty from Marketing.

But we all hate the ice addict gypo ****s.

[Jetmaster]

Who are born into their predicament......

And ain't that racism?

[The Dunster]

2007 - Kevin '07, Labor taking over from those bastard Tories 442 deaths (35% union members).

Composition of employment makes comparisons very difficult. Much like people making fools of themselves using inflation calculators to compare current prices of certain goods with historical prices.

Work today in Australia broadly speaking is physically a lot safer than it was in the past. {Women rarely participate in dangerous occupations and they make up a good chunk of the workforce today unlike in the past].
As far as depression and mental illness are concerned adverse outcomes and sometimes death are probably more an issue now than in the past.

[MFKS]

If there is a few things we can all agree on. Coasties are still ice addict gypo scum.

Jets supporters are a diverse bunch with communist revolutionaries, right wing nutjobs, business owners and blokes in the middle who vote for Scotty from Marketing.

But we all hate the ice addict gypo ****s.

Nice diversion work but you ain't fooling anyone