The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[Frodo]

The big thing for me was the whole point of the original was that it was future proofed. Once it got taken to by Malcolm and Tony (I don't know who did what), that selling point is gone and its still something that will have to be upgraded once again. I don't yet have it myself so I don't even know if its any good. I know a lot of people complain who do have it that it still doesn't meet their needs, let alone into the future. (Not saying the original rollout would have gone flawlessly either).

I have original NBN and can stream 4K on the TV, whilst watching videos on my phone and with my laptop also streaming 4k, I just need more hands to keep up with current technology :rof:, not more internet's. FTTP is very fast.

[Macca]

I have original NBN and can stream 4K on the TV, whilst watching videos on my phone and with my laptop also streaming 4k, I just need more hands to keep up with current technology :rof:, not more internet's. FTTP is very fast.

Yeah I doubt anyone who has fibre to their place has too many complaints. A lot don't. I'm pretty curious as to what quality we will get in our area. The internet at our place has always been very hit and miss, due to lack of proximity to the exchange and poor/old copper wiring. The trucks are out an about at the moment, presumably we will have the option within a few months. See whether we get lucky and the shitty copper wasn't between our house and wherever they're hooking us into the good stuff.

[Macca]

To be fair to him and you Plague, there's a few quotes in there that sound reasonable and along the lines of "Lets take a look at things before we take the splurge".
Having said that, I firmly believe the primary reason he wanted to take a look at things is to be the antagonistic opposition leader he was born to be.

But there's also some pretty laughable ones.

https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/525840/his_own_words_tony_abbott_nbn/

[The Dunster]

We have FTTN here [Oakhampton / Maitland and can stream 4k Netflix absolutely no problems.

We were also getting around 21mbit per sec from ADSL2+ back in the day as well because we are close to the cabinet and it's a very low density area.

When I was at Belmont we struggle to get 4mbit on ADSL2 - and even now my sisters NBN at Belmont North is not even close to being capable of streaming 4k or even HD content consistently.

[plague]

He did manage to pass a law so that people with mental health issues had to pass background checks before purchasing guns... But that was revoked by your mate Trump! Any excuses for that one?


this Obama era proposal never came into law.
he proposed it in the dying days of his Presidency and never followed it through. Neither did his Democrat mates.

Trump essentially rescinded a law that didnt exist anyway.
And if you want the skinny on it, the law that was rescinded was about the sharing of information between some certain agencies. There were never any 'different' laws proposed. Just the sharing of information.

Mentally ill people still need to pass the same background check today that they did in the Obama days. Nothing has changed.


As for his other proposal post Sandy Hook. this has been going on since the Clinton Presidency. Universal background checks are required by law for sales made by licenced dealers. Nothing has changed there. Its the 'gun show loophole' that is the major sticking point, people still need to be licenced to 'buy' a gun from a private citizen, but the background checks are not as strict.

i totally agree that it would be great to close that loophole, but in the last 30 years about 80% of Mass Shootings have been committed by people using legally obtained guns. The gun problem is way bigger than a token law that never got implemented.

I think Trump is just as big a coward on the gun issue as the rest of them. But its the people who try to single Obama out as the "oh well he tried" guy that infuriate me.
He was, for 8 years, "the most powerful person on the planet" and did nothing on guns. he had the majority of both houses for a significant amount of time and did nothing on guns. he talked a lot on massacres, he did nothing on guns.

[plague]

To be fair to him and you Plague, there's a few quotes in there that sound reasonable and along the lines of "Lets take a look at things before we take the splurge".
Having said that, I firmly believe the primary reason he wanted to take a look at things is to be the antagonistic opposition leader he was born to be.

But there's also some pretty laughable ones.

https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/525840/his_own_words_tony_abbott_nbn/

cool. now do the other people. they will all sound just as stupid. esp the ones who were only out by about 25 billion in their estimates.

[The Dunster]

this Obama era proposal never came into law.
he proposed it in the dying days of his Presidency and never followed it through. Neither did his Democrat mates.

Trump essentially rescinded a law that didnt exist anyway.
And if you want the skinny on it, the law that was rescinded was about the sharing of information between some certain agencies. There were never any 'different' laws proposed. Just the sharing of information.

Mentally ill people still need to pass the same background check today that they did in the Obama days. Nothing has changed.


As for his other proposal post Sandy Hook. this has been going on since the Clinton Presidency. Universal background checks are required by law for sales made by licenced dealers. Nothing has changed there. Its the 'gun show loophole' that is the major sticking point, people still need to be licenced to 'buy' a gun from a private citizen, but the background checks are not as strict.

i totally agree that it would be great to close that loophole, but in the last 30 years about 80% of Mass Shootings have been committed by people using legally obtained guns. The gun problem is way bigger than a token law that never got implemented.

I think Trump is just as big a coward on the gun issue as the rest of them. But its the people who try to single Obama out as the "oh well he tried" guy that infuriate me.
He was, for 8 years, "the most powerful person on the planet" and did nothing on guns. he had the majority of both houses for a significant amount of time and did nothing on guns. he talked a lot on massacres, he did nothing on guns.

More guns per capita in Canada and gun crime is practically nil in comparison to the USA. I think the only way to fix the problem in the USA is a culling program more so than changes to the existing laws.

Income inequality, mental health issues..... it's a very deep rooted problem

[pv4]

More guns per capita in Canada and gun crime is practically nil in comparison to the USA. I think the only way to fix the problem in the USA is a culling program more so than changes to the existing laws.

m8 it is their amended right to arm bears

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[The Dunster]

cool. now do the other people. they will all sound just as stupid. esp the ones who were only out by about 25 billion in their estimates.

A good friend of mine was called in to assess the drawings they were using in Newcastle / Lake Macquarie. He said a drunk three year old with crayons could have come up with more accurate maps of the existing infrastructure.

None of this was really known to anyone out of the loop so not surprising that cost estimates were so far off.

Then you have the issues of contractors like Downer subsidiaries [I think - it's been awhile] pretty much making it up as they went along and having sweet f all experience in a build of this scale.

[plague]

I think the only way to fix the problem in the USA is a culling program

Culling guns, or culling Americans?

Cause both seem like a sensible idea.

[Macca]

We have FTTN here [Oakhampton / Maitland and can stream 4k Netflix absolutely no problems.

We were also getting around 21mbit per sec from ADSL2+ back in the day as well because we are close to the cabinet and it's a very low density area.

When I was at Belmont we struggle to get 4mbit on ADSL2 - and even now my sisters NBN at Belmont North is not even close to being capable of streaming 4k or even HD content consistently.

Yeah, I get about 4 Mbit on ADSL2 at the moment, other side of Lake Mac. Its serviceable mostly. Can easily go to shit during peak times or when it rains though.

[MFKS]

More guns per capita in Canada and gun crime is practically nil in comparison to the USA. I think the only way to fix the problem in the USA is a culling program more so than changes to the existing laws.

Income inequality, mental health issues..... it's a very deep rooted problem

Precisely

Guns aint the problem.in the USA

It the vast disparities of wealth coupled with the Capitalist model that sees people want stuff that others have

This leaves far too many on the outside of the dream and taking the victim position

USA has ample opportunity for all people to suceed in life
It is the Left who go out of their way with socialist iniatives holding people down and keeping them weak with people's own stupidity making it even worse

[Macca]

Precisely

Guns aint the problem.in the USA

It the vast disparities of wealth coupled with the Capitalist model that sees people want stuff that others have

This leaves far too many on the outside of the dream and taking the victim position

USA has ample opportunity for all people to suceed in life
It is the Left who go out of their way with socialist iniatives holding people down and keeping them weak with people's own stupidity making it even worse

Your post started out so well. How did it end up so horribly wrong?

[plague]

Your post started out so well. How did it end up so horribly wrong?

you dont play Member bingo?

i just hit the jackpot.

[Jetmaster]

We have FTTN here [Oakhampton / Maitland and can stream 4k Netflix absolutely no problems.

We were also getting around 21mbit per sec from ADSL2+ back in the day as well because we are close to the cabinet and it's a very low density area.

When I was at Belmont we struggle to get 4mbit on ADSL2 - and even now my sisters NBN at Belmont North is not even close to being capable of streaming 4k or even HD content consistently.


Ahhhh - was lucky to be in a brownfields area in Maitland that needed to be redone to FTTP as originally intended.

Look at this goodness as of right now.....

1606

[plague]

Also:


(By logic I mean stupidity)


your stupidity on this one Plague?

yo, this isnt necessary.

[MFKS]

Your post started out so well. How did it end up so horribly wrong?

Which part you got a problem with??

The left come up with socialist initiatives that keep the weak in their position

What you think government welfare to lazy dole bludgers is??

Then throw in numerous so called initiatives for POC and other minorities

[q-money]

what's your position on medicare?

[Macca]

what's your position on medicare?

Oppresses the populus into unwanted health and prosperity, forcing them into cruelly living longer and happier lives.

[plague]

what's your position on medicare?

like most things, a brilliant idea and (for the most part) well executed in our country.
the problem, sadly, is that like most things, it is increasingly being abused by the people in charge of it.


and as usual, any attempts to even have a look at the way its run is met with a massive scare campaign by 'the other side' and pollies end up walking away from it for fear of being labelled a hater.

similar to anyone wanting to discuss immigration, business tax, the ABC or workers rights/responsibilities.

its the reason we put pollies into office, but they are for the most part, cowards who lack conviction to actually do anything.

[plague]

Oppresses the populus into unwanted health and prosperity, forcing them into cruelly living longer and happier lives.

marriage/kids/free healthcare.

the new axis of evil.

[pv4]

https://img.devrant.com/devrant/rant/c_1800788_jPnru.gif

[MFKS]

what's your position on medicare?

Joke

If it any good I shouldnt be mandated to take out Private Health Insurance at all by increased taxation when I already paying Medicare levy and standard taxes already

Either the government funds all health care from taxation or private companies do

Right now we have a little each way and the system is entirely ****ed

I been elsewhere in the world where it is user pays with no socialist healthcare

Works quite well I think

You take care of your own shit in life you get treatment

You get fast treatment too and not BS beuracracy like in Oz


Current system sees the yoof who are predominantly in good physical condition funding the poor physical conditions of the elderly and paying the bill to drag their lives out further

Me I would rather everyone paid their own bill in life

[MFKS]

like most things, a brilliant idea and (for the most part) well executed in our country.
the problem, sadly, is that like most things, it is increasingly being abused by the people in charge of it.


and as usual, any attempts to even have a look at the way its run is met with a massive scare campaign by 'the other side' and pollies end up walking away from it for fear of being labelled a hater.

similar to anyone wanting to discuss immigration, business tax, the ABC or workers rights/responsibilities.

its the reason we put pollies into office, but they are for the most part, cowards who lack conviction to actually do anything.

It is also abused by the punters in society

Plenty of old people clogging up the system going to see a doctor for the social aspect of interaction

Then we also do little to force changes in those who are a burden on it
Diabetes Obesity Smokers

None of them are targeted enough for the drain on the public purse whilst they choose self destruction activities and then get the public to pay the tab

[pv4]

Also forgot to mention Tony Abbott (as far as I'm aware it was him) brought in the no jab no pay policy so tell me anything better your precious Obama's and Labour honkeys have done.

[MFKS]

Also forgot to mention Tony Abbott (as far as I'm aware it was him) brought in the no jab no pay policy so tell me anything better your precious Obama's and Labour honkeys have done.

That directed at me??

Because I aint pro those guys at all

They represent most everything I despise


As for no job no pay I would be more than happy if Oz went that way

[pv4]

That directed at me??

Because I aint pro those guys at all

They represent most everything I despise


Everything is always directed at you

[MFKS]

Everything is always directed at you

So where I been pro Obama and pro Labor??

The other day I said Shorten will win the election but that isnt a sign i support them. That just my prediction that ScoMo is an idiot and has no hope

[MFKS]

How the hell did Jussie get off??

WTF

[plague]

How the hell did Jussie get off??

WTF

white privilege.

[MFKS]

white privilege.

Greenback Privilege more like it

[The Dunster]

Joke

If it any good I shouldnt be mandated to take out Private Health Insurance at all by increased taxation when I already paying Medicare levy and standard taxes already

Either the government funds all health care from taxation or private companies do

Right now we have a little each way and the system is entirely ****ed

I been elsewhere in the world where it is user pays with no socialist healthcare

Works quite well I think

You take care of your own shit in life you get treatment

You get fast treatment too and not BS beuracracy like in Oz


Current system sees the yoof who are predominantly in good physical condition funding the poor physical conditions of the elderly and paying the bill to drag their lives out further

Me I would rather everyone paid their own bill in life

Culling program for the elderly Member ? We sell a special licence to the shooters and use those funds to subsidise private health insurance for Youths.

[Frodo]

How the hell did Jussie get off??

WTF

What, rich black people can't buy themselves out of crimes? That's racist. He should have the same rights as everyone else in that backwards hockem country.

I mean, to be fair, he's about as innocent as Trump so they all can't really complain right now.

[plague]

What, rich black people can't buy themselves out of crimes? That's racist. He should have the same rights as everyone else in that backwards hockem country.

I mean, to be fair, he's about as innocent as Trump so they all can't really complain right now.

its as if kids these days never even heard of OJ.

Also, its been funny to see "well the legal people couldnt see any crime so they didnt press on with the case" taken sooooooooooooo many different ways over the course of 48hrs.

[The Dunster]

its as if kids these days never even heard of OJ.

Also, its been funny to see "well the legal people couldnt see any crime so they didnt press on with the case" taken sooooooooooooo many different ways over the course of 48hrs.

Compared to faking the moon landings what Jussie did was pretty mild.

[MFKS]

its as if kids these days never even heard of OJ.

Also, its been funny to see "well the legal people couldnt see any crime so they didnt press on with the case" taken sooooooooooooo many different ways over the course of 48hrs.

I think it is part of a Democrat stitch up

Jussie knows the Obamas and Chicago full of Obamas mates

Gives the ****tards more ammo to keep going at Trump over the Mueller report
Can claim it is flawed just look at how Jussie got off

Who would have thought we would have topped the Christchurch stitch up this month

[MFKS]

What, rich black people can't buy themselves out of crimes? That's racist. He should have the same rights as everyone else in that backwards hockem country.

I mean, to be fair, he's about as innocent as Trump so they all can't really complain right now.

No drama with a black man buying his way out of gaol
What good for a.white man is good for a black man in the name of equality etv

From my position it has given me the biggest stick to beat leftist clowns over the head with going forward though

That the biggest winner here not Jussie

[Aegon]

We have FTTN here [Oakhampton / Maitland and can stream 4k Netflix absolutely no problems.

We were also getting around 21mbit per sec from ADSL2+ back in the day as well because we are close to the cabinet and it's a very low density area.

When I was at Belmont we struggle to get 4mbit on ADSL2 - and even now my sisters NBN at Belmont North is not even close to being capable of streaming 4k or even HD content consistently.

NBN even at its minimum service obligation of 25/5 is capable of 4K streaming. My guess is your sister is on a low bandwidth plan and/or the RSP is over selling its CVC. Point her in the direction of an RSP like Aussie Broadband that guarantees its CVC/AVC ratio.

[plague]

From the Financial Review today

The broadband war has ended, Abbott won
Labor's NBN plan, in a nutshell, is to commission a review, blame the Coalition for it being rubbish, while continuing to do pretty much the same thing for the next few years.

So now both sides are gonna do the exact same thing, yet somehow one side will keep getting blamed for the debacle.

[plague]

any dopes out there ready to crap on about the Israel Folau issue being a fight against free speech:

Folau can say what he wants.
Rugby Australia can do what they want.



The end.

[boz-monaut]

any dopes out there ready to crap on about the Israel Folau issue being a fight against free speech:

Folau can say what he wants.
Rugby Australia can do what they want.



The end.

completely

it's like Albrechtsen railing against Sleeping Giant - this is what freedom of speech looks like when it reacts against the right wing "freedom" brigade

[plague]

completely

it's like Albrechtsen railing against Sleeping Giant - this is what freedom of speech looks like when it reacts against the right wing "freedom" brigade

yeah look i find the rallying of #woke people to 'boycott' sponsors of networks etc up there with the cowards at the Westboro Baptist Church.
All of it is stupid and generally cheered on by equally stupid people.

but again, its their right, so they can have at it.

but they sure gotta be careful. Trump has shown that if you turn the spotlight around on these people it can make for some pretty ugly viewing. They all sure better have their receipts.

[plague]

oh wow, now they gone got Julian Assange out of the embassy.

between that and the Masters its gonna be a big weekend.

[MFKS]

any dopes out there ready to crap on about the Israel Folau issue being a fight against free speech:

Folau can say what he wants.
Rugby Australia can do what they want.



The end.

Disagree with you there

Izzy is most likely wanting out of Rugby and his contract to sign a better deal elsewhere so he probably wanting to get sacked

But if this aint the case for him to be sacked for voicing his religious beliefs is a joke

I would be backing he has some grounds for complaint under the UN Human Rights stuff in relation to him voicing his religion


The other thing that is the most hypocritical on this

If the Godless aethist lefties condemning Izzy don't believe in God and the practitioners of being gay don't believe in the whole no sodomy or going to hell thing as written in my Good Book

Exactly why the **** are they worried about gays going to hell when they either don't believe in hell or don't conform to the bible anyway??

[Frodo]

but they sure gotta be careful. Trump has shown that if you turn the spotlight around on these people it can make for some pretty ugly viewing. They all sure better have their receipts.

I still can't work out if you're just trolling with some of your Trumpf comments or you haven't worked out exactly who he is and are getting confused.

[Frodo]

Disagree with you there

Izzy is most likely wanting out of Rugby and his contract to sign a better deal elsewhere so he probably wanting to get sacked

But if this aint the case for him to be sacked for voicing his religious beliefs is a joke

I would be backing he has some grounds for complaint under the UN Human Rights stuff in relation to him voicing his religion


The other thing that is the most hypocritical on this

If the Godless aethist lefties condemning Izzy don't believe in God and the practitioners of being gay don't believe in the whole no sodomy or going to hell thing as written in my Good Book

Exactly why the **** are they worried about gays going to hell when they either don't believe in hell or don't conform to the bible anyway??

And you started off so well.

What about people who believe in God but also love sword fighting with their partner?

Also plenty of the right are condemning his post. Don't shove your head in the sand too much.

He is an idiot and deserved what he got. It's the same as Manly Sea Eagles sacking Frank Winterstein in pre season after his wife became an Anti Vaccine influencer.

Chat shit, get sacked.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Both entitled to do what they did.
They gave him a chance last time, and he took to social media again. They have a sporting code to protect. How would you feel as a player that was homosexual, drank alcohol, celebrated Easter and you had to share a changeroom with him? It’s not an inclusive or good environment.

Will be interesting to see where the NRL end up, they’ve reportedly said he’s not welcome. So He has basically killed his career if so.

And member, I don’t think they are concerned with going to “hell” and that’s certainly not the problem with the statements. It’s the portrayal of them as lesser people.

[The Dunster]

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:28

On ya Izzy you hypocritical pile of shit.

https://www.playersvoice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/FOLAU_PV1_1280x720_01_d.jpg

[plague]

Izzy is most likely wanting out of Rugby and his contract to sign a better deal elsewhere so he probably wanting to get sacked


no.
He can voice his opinion all he wants. No one is stopping him.
The simple fact is he broke the terms of his employment contract. A contract he signed in good faith.
He is now free to continue to blurt out that nonsense all he wants. His human rights remain exactly the same as they were before any of this.

your religious beliefs dont allow you to be above the law in this country. A contract is a legal document. He broke it, so its now void.

[The Dunster]

no.
He can voice his opinion all he wants. No one is stopping him.
The simple fact is he broke the terms of his employment contract. A contract he signed in good faith.
He is now free to continue to blurt out that nonsense all he wants. His human rights remain exactly the same as they were before any of this.

your religious beliefs dont allow you to be above the law in this country. A contract is a legal document. He broke it, so its now void.

This x 1 billion.

[The Dunster]

oh wow, now they gone got Julian Assange out of the embassy.

between that and the Masters its gonna be a big weekend.

Who is he caddying for ?

[plague]

I still can't work out if you're just trolling with some of your Trumpf comments or you haven't worked out exactly who he is and are getting confused.

Nah, no trolling and def no confusion.
Trump is the democratically elected President of the United States. He won the same way Obama did, and Bush did and Clinton did.
If anyone cares to show me the real bad shit hes done then fire away.

But for every MAGA chud there is a clown on the other side, or someone triggered enough to assault someone for wearing a damn red ****ing hat.
Think about that for a second, how stupid do you need to be to take offence at a ****ing hat?

I mean, look at this idiot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs

Ive got no time for extremists on any side, **** em all. But he won the vote, and the sooner people come to terms with that and maybe start holding him to account on policy rather than personality we may have the chance to see a change in 2020. But while ever they continue to play the man and not the ball, hes gonna win again.

[plague]

If Jesus was around today hed pretty much be a youtuber and put those Dude Perfect blokes out of work.

[MFKS]

And you started off so well.

What about people who believe in God but also love sword fighting with their partner?

Also plenty of the right are condemning his post. Don't shove your head in the sand too much.

He is an idiot and deserved what he got. It's the same as Manly Sea Eagles sacking Frank Winterstein in pre season after his wife became an Anti Vaccine influencer.

Chat shit, get sacked.

Those who believe in God but are also gay must be some of the most hypocritical challenged people on the planet

Don't know how anyone can see the two as compatible with one another

You would either be pretty weak at one side of the equation

[MFKS]

no.
He can voice his opinion all he wants. No one is stopping him.
The simple fact is he broke the terms of his employment contract. A contract he signed in good faith.
He is now free to continue to blurt out that nonsense all he wants. His human rights remain exactly the same as they were before any of this.

your religious beliefs dont allow you to be above the law in this country. A contract is a legal document. He broke it, so its now void.

He has a contract to play football

How exactly is speaking up on a subject that is in a book of 2000 years origin and widely known about this religion is followed by over 2 billion on the planet a breach of his contract??

He has only plagiarised the thing

It ain't like he gave a slanted interpretation on it

It pretty clear as day that Christianity sees homosexuality as a sin
Izzy ain't exactly stating anything no one did not know last week already

[plague]

He has a contract to play football

How exactly is speaking up on a subject that is in a book of 2000 years origin and widely known about this religion is followed by over 2 billion on the planet a breach of his contract??

He has only plagiarised the thing

It ain't like he gave a slanted interpretation on it

It pretty clear as day that Christianity sees homosexuality as a sin
Izzy ain't exactly stating anything no one did not know last week already

No, he has a contract to help Rugby Australia make money.
His behaviour has jeopardised the ability for Rugby Australia to make money.
So hes out.


You're the guy who used to swing your arms around like a windmill and blame other kids for 'getting in the way' if they got hit didnt you?

You're the guy who is happy for people to get demoted at work at the Jets for failing to kick a ball into a net, yet your homophobe mates should just be able to get on with their bizness right?


If you dont understand how any of this works then fine, but to think that a company run by money will let one of the workforce put that pay cheque in danger is some next level dumbness.

[plague]

Also, lets be clear on one thing.

Bagging out the gheys is one thing, but ive met some of them, they can fight their own battles just fine.

But for that prick Folau to have a dig at us drunks is completely unacceptable and he can go get ****ed.


****ing asshole.

[The Dunster]

His Church won't want to know him once his football career is over and his marketing value rapidly declines.
He will essentially just be another barely literate footballer transitioning from having a lot of money to becoming a bankrupt.

As far as Christianity goes Folau is a joke. He chases money like a whore, marks his body with tattoos, criticises others......

He's basically just a horrible person that only fools would look up to.

[StannyCFCJET]

He has a contract to play football

How exactly is speaking up on a subject that is in a book of 2000 years origin and widely known about this religion is followed by over 2 billion on the planet a breach of his contract??

He has only plagiarised the thing

It ain't like he gave a slanted interpretation on it

It pretty clear as day that Christianity sees homosexuality as a sin
Izzy ain't exactly stating anything no one did not know last week already

He has spoken out before so had a clause in his contract that he couldnt do that and we when did they couldnt reach him for contact for a few days after so bye bye your sacked

[MFKS]

No, he has a contract to help Rugby Australia make money.
His behaviour has jeopardised the ability for Rugby Australia to make money.
So hes out.


You're the guy who used to swing your arms around like a windmill and blame other kids for 'getting in the way' if they got hit didnt you?

You're the guy who is happy for people to get demoted at work at the Jets for failing to kick a ball into a net, yet your homophobe mates should just be able to get on with their bizness right?


If you dont understand how any of this works then fine, but to think that a company run by money will let one of the workforce put that pay cheque in danger is some next level dumbness.
How exactly has he jeopardised them making money? ?

They have cost themselves $$ as they have cut arguably their best player for the want of SJW censorship

ARU getting involved in politics and SJW is a slippery slope here

They have taken a stand supporting gays but have then done two things getting people off side at the same time

They have also said **** OFF to freedom of speech
They have also said a big **** OFF to religion

[plague]

How exactly has he jeopardised them making money? ?

They have cost themselves $$ as they have cut arguably their best player for the want of SJW censorship

ARU getting involved in politics and SJW is a slippery slope here

They have taken a stand supporting gays but have then done two things getting people off side at the same time

They have also said **** OFF to freedom of speech
They have also said a big **** OFF to religion

Do you even sponsorship Bro?

Its not about 'pandering' to one side or the other. Ive no doubt that a good portion of Rugby sponsors, players, board members and fans are religious, and some percentage of them might just hold the same views as Folau.

but the second a sponsor, or a fan, or a junior player is turned away from the sport because of the actions of others, its an issue.

you spout freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but you dont seem to understand how that works.

because you want to give Folau all the freedoms to do what he wants but not give Rugby Australia any freedoms to do what 'they' want.


and imagine considering trying to sledge someone for wanting 'social justice'? i mean, thats should be kind of a fundamental aspect of any civilised society innit?
"YOU ARE A SHIT PERSON BECAUSE YOU ERRRRRRR WANT PEOPLE TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.........." nah, it doesnt quite work does it.

anyway, your boy Izzy, and you, and anyone else is free to keep banging on about it. enjoy yourselves.











oh, and Sean Hannity wants his talking points back.

[MFKS]

Do you even sponsorship Bro?

Its not about 'pandering' to one side or the other. Ive no doubt that a good portion of Rugby sponsors, players, board members and fans are religious, and some percentage of them might just hold the same views as Folau.

but the second a sponsor, or a fan, or a junior player is turned away from the sport because of the actions of others, its an issue.

you spout freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but you dont seem to understand how that works.

because you want to give Folau all the freedoms to do what he wants but not give Rugby Australia any freedoms to do what 'they' want.


and imagine considering trying to sledge someone for wanting 'social justice'? i mean, thats should be kind of a fundamental aspect of any civilised society innit?
"YOU ARE A SHIT PERSON BECAUSE YOU ERRRRRRR WANT PEOPLE TO BE TREATED FAIRLY.........." nah, it doesnt quite work does it.

anyway, your boy Izzy, and you, and anyone else is free to keep banging on about it. enjoy yourselves.











oh, and Sean Hannity wants his talking points back.

Who in the **** is turned away from Rugby because Izzy doesn't like gays??
Me I got very little interest in the code so this won't effect my involvement

The SJWs baying for blood don't care for the game
They Judy busy playing their victim game they love so much

The genuine Rugby fan is the loser here because a struggling code is now deprived of their best player all because he spruced something several billion people on the planet actually believe


Spare me the BS about sponsors too
Qantas are ran by a gay man
The bloke can't bemoan Izzy when his airline is associated with Emirates who are backed by a group whom have a much more stringent totalitarian view on gays that Izzy does

[plague]

Who in the **** is turned away from Rugby because Izzy doesn't like gays??


again, its not about who is or isnt enjoying the latest line out or maul.
Its about people not buying the sponsors products.


if i sold pies for a living, and the bloke next to me sold pies for a living, but yelled out "gays are going to hell". How many people would buy his pies vs buying my pies.

Now i know where you are shopping, but id bet good money id get the majority of the business.
and you know that too.



and if you think im caping up for Alan Joyce then you're dead wrong. he is fine to run his company how he sees fit. and yes, the hypocrisy involved with flying to those countries is laughable.

but guess what, if you, me and everyone else chose a different airline because of this policy you might find Qantas changing their mind.

again, this is how it works.

[The Dunster]

Richard Goyder is the Chairman of QANTAS. He's married with four children. Prior to that Leigh Clifford was in charge and he was also married and had two daughters.

Alan Joyce is only the CEO which essentially makes him a runner for the Board. The board can get rid of Joyce but he cannot remove any of them.

[MFKS]

again, its not about who is or isnt enjoying the latest line out or maul.
Its about people not buying the sponsors products.


if i sold pies for a living, and the bloke next to me sold pies for a living, but yelled out "gays are going to hell". How many people would buy his pies vs buying my pies.

Now i know where you are shopping, but id bet good money id get the majority of the business.
and you know that too.



and if you think im caping up for Alan Joyce then you're dead wrong. he is fine to run his company how he sees fit. and yes, the hypocrisy involved with flying to those countries is laughable.

but guess what, if you, me and everyone else chose a different airline because of this policy you might find Qantas changing their mind.

again, this is how it works.

Sponsors should have no say at all in running a game though

That why we have a ****ed up HAL as Foxtel cripple it as it run for their benefit not the hood of the code
That is why we have the Timmy CaltexSocceroos going to Russia despite not being good enough on form

Sponsors pay $$ to get their name tied to the game
They have **** all right to dictate any policy on how the game is administered

[MFKS]

On another note

Assange is a refugee

Why is well known refugee fighter Cra8g Foster dead silent today about Assange being a victim??

Was expecting him to be bashing away from his pulpit today on this issue

But absolute crickets from him on the subject

Maybe Assange as a white male isn't high enough up in the victim hierarchy for his involvement so is on his own at fighting his injustices



Also what a wonderful club this is for Shorten to beat Sco Mo over the head with since the election was called
Liberals have done **** all for this Aussie refugee the last 7 years so that is gonna slow the stopping the boats debate down to a trickle

[plague]

On another note

Assange is a refugee

Why is well known refugee fighter Cra8g Foster dead silent today about Assange being a victim??



Yeah but can Assange tiki taka?

[plague]

now, im glad we are onto our man Julian, because this is gonna be a weird one.

He originally entered the embassy to avoid being deported to Sweden over rape charges.
at the time we seemed to suspend our #meetoo and #believeallwomen culture because we were 'convinced' that Sweden was a front for the Americans to get him back there.


Anyway, he waited them out and the Swedes dropped the investigation. but yet he still didnt leave.

now the Ecuadorians call IN the cops to get him out, and hes immediately taken away.
Surely if his only crime is overstaying his welcome at the Embassy then a quick talking to and a slap on the wrist will suffice yeah?

but here we are, and maybe, just maybe the tinfoil hat brigade was correct all along. which if its true is gonna unleash hell for the likes of Alex Jones and his lot.

because if the conspiracy theorists actually get a win, life a we know it will be over.













this could have all been prevented if Bush didnt do 9/11 THE SIGNS WERE ALL THERE SHEEPLE!!!!!

[The Dunster]

On another note

Assange is a refugee

Why is well known refugee fighter Cra8g Foster dead silent today about Assange being a victim??

Was expecting him to be bashing away from his pulpit today on this issue

But absolute crickets from him on the subject

Maybe Assange as a white male isn't high enough up in the victim hierarchy for his involvement so is on his own at fighting his injustices



Also what a wonderful club this is for Shorten to beat Sco Mo over the head with since the election was called
Liberals have done **** all for this Aussie refugee the last 7 years so that is gonna slow the stopping the boats debate down to a trickle

Foster helped a man that had overwhelming evidence to prove his innocence [ Playing a football game while said crime was to have taken place].
The Assange case is totally different as we don't even know the extent of the charges the USA could put forward and therefore cannot either way protest Assange's innocence or guilt.

As for boats and illegal immigration - it's only a spec on the radar compared to illegals that fly in / over stay their visas.

If it is an issue, Government should address that well before they waste resources on stopping a few boats.

[plague]

Foster helped a man that had overwhelming evidence to prove his innocence [ Playing a football game while said crime was to have taken place].

Foster didnt have anywhere near 'overwhelming evidence'. He had one side of the argument. ok, thats fine, but countries have judicial processes to go through dont they? Is it Australias bizness to decide who is or isnt guilty of a crime in another country.

Member is correct in that we sure seem to pick and choose our targets. Assange was the darling of the hippies when he outed the warmongers, but the second he unloaded on their girl Hillary, he became a leper. Its almost as if they loved the truth coming out......just not 'all' the truth.

Assange ended up with no mates, despite at one time getting cheered on by everyone.

[The Dunster]

Foster didnt have anywhere near 'overwhelming evidence'. He had one side of the argument. ok, thats fine, but countries have judicial processes to go through dont they? Is it Australias bizness to decide who is or isnt guilty of a crime in another country.

Member is correct in that we sure seem to pick and choose our targets. Assange was the darling of the hippies when he outed the warmongers, but the second he unloaded on their girl Hillary, he became a leper. Its almost as if they loved the truth coming out......just not 'all' the truth.

Assange ended up with no mates, despite at one time getting cheered on by everyone.

They accused the bloke of a crime he couldn't have committed because he was playing in a football game at the time.

The reason they could help him out is because he was being illegally detained according to International Law - not Australian law.

The Assange case is completely different and trying to link the two cases as similar is pretty poor form.

Assange could be brought up on any number of charges and until we know them the Australian government can't do jack.

My personal opinion is that Assange is no better than the people he writes about.

Edit: Assange having to stand trial for this https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481/download is now a possibility.

[plague]

They accused the bloke of a crime he couldn't have committed because he was playing in a football game at the time.


FWIW, the accusers dispute the exact timing of the crime and laid out a case of how he 'could' be involved.

but.

yep, sounds fishy as all hell.

again though, no one is comparing the specifics of the cases, they are comparing the outrage at the treatment of 2 Australian men accused of crimes in foreign countries. who are legally innocent until proven guilty. i mean geez, they had candlelight vigils for those drug runners in Asia who copped a bullet.

if you think they both got fair treatment then ok. but now that the conspiracy theorists are leading the charge the way they deserted Assange after he dumped on Hillary was kind of a factor in my humble opinion.

[plague]

oh geez, now Alan Jones has jumped to Folau's defence.

[The Dunster]

oh geez, now Alan Jones has jumped to Folau's defence.

Muhammad Ali attended meetings with the KKK and shared common ground with them on mixed race marriages.

I guess being whores for dollars has brought Jones and Folau together.

[MFKS]

oh geez, now Alan Jones has jumped to Folau's defence.

Jones though is spot on here

This is not an issue for the ARU to be involved in

This sums up how inept they are
They announced that they intended to sack Folau to the public before they had even spoken to Izzy

What sort of tin pot Gypo is running that organisation where they publicly tell soneone they are getting sacked via the media

Get the clowns to Gosford to run that shit hole further into the ground

[MFKS]

On another note

Assange is a refugee

Why is well known refugee fighter Cra8g Foster dead silent today about Assange being a victim??

Was expecting him to be bashing away from his pulpit today on this issue

But absolute crickets from him on the subject

Maybe Assange as a white male isn't high enough up in the victim hierarchy for his involvement so is on his own at fighting his injustices



Also what a wonderful club this is for Shorten to beat Sco Mo over the head with since the election was called
Liberals have done **** all for this Aussie refugee the last 7 years so that is gonna slow the stopping the boats debate down to a trickle

Foster has now just woken up to the news that he gonna look.like a hypocrite if he ain't backing Assange here and started dribbling on social media

Can't wait for the #SaveAssange shirts to be released

[The Dunster]

Foster has now just woken up to the news that he gonna look.like a hypocrite if he ain't backing Assange here and started dribbling on social media

Can't wait for the #SaveAssange shirts to be released

What happened to you Member ? You sound a bit angry.

[MFKS]

What happened to you Member ? You sound a bit angry.

Surprised it took him so long

[Frodo]

Jones though is spot on here

This is not an issue for the ARU to be involved in

This sums up how inept they are
They announced that they intended to sack Folau to the public before they had even spoken to Izzy

What sort of tin pot Gypo is running that organisation where they publicly tell soneone they are getting sacked via the media

Get the clowns to Gosford to run that shit hole further into the ground



So he signs a contract stating that he can't do a thing.

He does a thing.

They contact him to discuss thing.

He refuses to talk to them. (Tries to send his agent but they again request he comes to see them)

As a result this contract is cancelled. They announce it to the media to get ahead of the mess he created and start to move on without him.

I really can't see what you can have an issue with. This is the simplest thing to follow. If you have an issue with society not allowing hate speech against groups of people than you are shit out of luck. Better start putting your money into Tesla and hope you can hitch a ride to Mars.

[StannyCFCJET]

So he signs a contract stating that he can't do a thing.

He does a thing.

They contact him to discuss thing.

He refuses to talk to them. (Tries to send his agent but they again request he comes to see them)

As a result this contract is cancelled. They announce it to the media to get ahead of the mess he created and start to move on without him.

I really can't see what you can have an issue with. This is the simplest thing to follow. If you have an issue with society not allowing hate speech against groups of people than you are shit out of luck. Better start putting your money into Tesla and hope you can hitch a ride to Mars.

Memba cant function without someone to be angry about and some to argue with on twitter

[plague]

Jets player comes out and says Hutcho is a good bloke.

Jets fans call for his head.

Member comes out backing the Jets players right to freedom of speach.

Member gets a sweet housing commission flat in Gosford.

The end.

[Bremsstrahlung]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/111990807/israel-folau-was-a-poster-boy-for-gay-rugbys-biggest-tournament?rm=m

I was interested to see this.
The face of a Gay Rugby competition, also posing for photos with the aforementioned Sydney Convicts gay rugby team.

[Frodo]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/111990807/israel-folau-was-a-poster-boy-for-gay-rugbys-biggest-tournament?rm=m

I was interested to see this.
The face of a Gay Rugby competition, also posing for photos with the aforementioned Sydney Convicts gay rugby team.

Money makes the weak do things they don't really want to do. Good quality egg on face there tho.. well I assume it's egg!

[MFKS]

So he signs a contract stating that he can't do a thing.

He does a thing.

They contact him to discuss thing.

He refuses to talk to them. (Tries to send his agent but they again request he comes to see them)

As a result this contract is cancelled. They announce it to the media to get ahead of the mess he created and start to move on without him.

I really can't see what you can have an issue with. This is the simplest thing to follow. If you have an issue with society not allowing hate speech against groups of people than you are shit out of luck. Better start putting your money into Tesla and hope you can hitch a ride to Mars.

He ain't a slave to the ARU

He is paid to play rugby train for Rugby and make a certain amount of promotional appearances for the ARU

He has been doing these things


The ARU have no right to be involved in his personal life nor involved in his personal social media
This is his right to control and use as he sees fit

As for Hate Speech it doesn't exist for a start
All speech is potentially offensive to soneone

If any one was offended by Izzys tweet then that more really a side effect of their guilt for their actions
If they don't believe in God then why they worried about hell??

Just keep living in sin and not give a **** about it
Not hard

[MFKS]

Jets player comes out and says Hutcho is a good bloke.

Jets fans call for his head.

Member comes out backing the Jets players right to freedom of speach.

Member gets a sweet housing commission flat in Gosford.

The end.

I would back the bloke to the end of the earth who said that

I believe 100% in ones right to say anything
I believe also 100% in ones right to disagree with what is said

I believe 100% in those getting offended by what someone says should harden the **** up and deal with it
It a sign of tremendous personal weakness being offended by the words of another person

[plague]

I would back the bloke to the end of the earth who said that

I believe 100% in ones right to say anything
I believe also 100% in ones right to disagree with what is said

I believe 100% in those getting offended by what someone says should harden the **** up and deal with it
It a sign of tremendous personal weakness being offended by the words of another person

Enjoy Woy Woy pal.
I'll miss you.

[plague]

If they don't believe in God then why they worried about hell??


If Folau believes in God then why he gotta spread his rules like a little bitch?

Surely your God doesn't need some footy head with a twitterface account to spread his word? If God is so badass why doesn't he come down here and do it himself?

Folau is the one calling out the drunks and the gays. Everyone was minding their own business before he got out there yelling at clouds.

Maybe......just maybe, Folau is a hateful ghoul who isn't that bright and thinks there's an old man sitting up in the clouds somewhere behind some pearly gates telling him how to behave.

At least when I had moments like that I was on LSD. Not sure what that blokes excuse is gonna be.

[Frodo]

He ain't a slave to the ARU

True, but if you want to work for them you have to adhere to their rules. Exactly the same as you or I. He can play Rugby Union, he just won't be doing it in the ARU anymore.

You don't have to right to force the employer to give him a platform to promote his ideas.

If he wants to promote Doritos and the ARU has a deal with CCs than he better keep it to himself.

You have the right to say whatever you want, typing is something totally different.

[boz-monaut]

this Folau moron isn't in jail is he? no one has taken him to court over his comments, he's not being sued or even being forced to take down his posts

he was, and continues to be, free to say this sort of thing

he is free to find an employer to agree with being represented by this sort of viewpoint or happy to be associated with it

[MFKS]

If Folau believes in God then why he gotta spread his rules like a little bitch?

Surely your God doesn't need some footy head with a twitterface account to spread his word? If God is so badass why doesn't he come down here and do it himself?

Folau is the one calling out the drunks and the gays. Everyone was minding their own business before he got out there yelling at clouds.

Maybe......just maybe, Folau is a hateful ghoul who isn't that bright and thinks there's an old man sitting up in the clouds somewhere behind some pearly gates telling him how to behave.

At least when I had moments like that I was on LSD. Not sure what that blokes excuse is gonna be.

As for Folau spreading Gods word

The Bible actually encourages it from believers

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye unto all the world and preach the gospel to every creature


So that is what Folau is actually doing
It is also why we have Jehovahas Witnesses door knocking you asking you if you have found God

So all Folau is doing here is partaking in is spreading Gods word which is part and parcel of him practising his religious beliefs which are protected under Australian and International law

[plague]

So all Folau is doing here is partaking in is spreading Gods word which is part and parcel of him practising his religious beliefs which are protected under Australian and International law

hmmm, you sure about that?

[MFKS]

hmmm, you sure about that?

Yeah

You know me well enough to know I am never wrong

[The Dunster]

Oh the hypocrisy of people preaching what they don't practice.

[plague]

Sooooooooo, this Cathedral fire certainly got them out and about today didnt it.

Whoo boy, here we go.

[plague]

Interesting comments and tone from Michael Cheika on Folau. Where everyone has been fairly 'general' in their criticisms and not speaking personally, Cheika immediately went in on him and pretty much said if he cant be a team player hes out and even if he doesnt get sacked, he wont be getting picked with that attitude anyway.

now, 'that attitude' is where people are gonna confuse Cheikas message, but oh the benefit of playing with house money. Cheika is an extremely wealthy self made man. He doesnt need Rugby Australia's paycheque, so is gonna be more than comfortable saying exactly what he thinks.


Also underrated in all this. Gary Abblett Jnr, absolute AFL superstar and member of the royal family 'liking' Folau's post. He deleted it later on, but man oh man that dude is a much bigger name in a much bigger sport (locally) than Folau. Yet he 'seems' to have gotten a pass on it. Weird.

[The Dunster]

Interesting comments and tone from Michael Cheika on Folau. Where everyone has been fairly 'general' in their criticisms and not speaking personally, Cheika immediately went in on him and pretty much said if he cant be a team player hes out and even if he doesnt get sacked, he wont be getting picked with that attitude anyway.

now, 'that attitude' is where people are gonna confuse Cheikas message, but oh the benefit of playing with house money. Cheika is an extremely wealthy self made man. He doesnt need Rugby Australia's paycheque, so is gonna be more than comfortable saying exactly what he thinks.


Also underrated in all this. Gary Abblett Jnr, absolute AFL superstar and member of the royal family 'liking' Folau's post. He deleted it later on, but man oh man that dude is a much bigger name in a much bigger sport (locally) than Folau. Yet he 'seems' to have gotten a pass on it. Weird.

Big difference between hitting like and actually constructing the original tweet.

[plague]

Big difference between hitting like and actually constructing the original tweet.

well yes and no. as Member said, Folau was actually just retweeting the bible* so there cant be 'that' much difference.

the biggest lol though was how after the 'like' disappeared everyone was asking the Geelong Cats and AFL HQ if they stepped in and they were all like "what huh, nope, didnt even notice, we didnt say anything, nope not us".
Its almost as if the deeply religious Abblett had his own revelation.




*yeah obvs word for word but you know what i mean.

[The Dunster]

well yes and no. as Member said, Folau was actually just retweeting the bible* so there cant be 'that' much difference.

the biggest lol though was how after the 'like' disappeared everyone was asking the Geelong Cats and AFL HQ if they stepped in and they were all like "what huh, nope, didnt even notice, we didnt say anything, nope not us".
Its almost as if the deeply religious Abblett had his own revelation.

*yeah obvs word for word but you know what i mean.

I wouldn't be relying too much on the Member when it comes to quoting the bible in any sort of rational context.

Abblett is about as religious as MFKS and Folau - in that he's very selective and tends to ignore the other 90% of it which condemns his own lifestyle.

The media won't go after Abblett simply because of the families tragic history - which there's really no need to go into here other than there's some things money simply won't buy or heal.

[MFKS]

This James Faulkner thing


Just more proof the media today are ****ing useless

This is what happens when you don't fact check
Print BS
And the extent of your investigative journalism is following someone on social media

FFS Instagram and Facebook posts ain't news


Some of these shit house joints need winding up with their Fake News lies

[plague]

This James Faulkner thing


Just more proof the media today are ****ing useless

This is what happens when you don't fact check
Print BS
And the extent of your investigative journalism is following someone on social media

FFS Instagram and Facebook posts ain't news


Some of these shit house joints need winding up with their Fake News lies

whoa, just saw this.
and theres a lot going on here.

its either a very quick backtrack, or an ongoing joke amongst his mates yeah?

because his teammates coming out and 'congratulating' him on 'coming out' def seemed to muddy the waters didnt it. again, if they are in on the gag then well played.

[plague]

whoo boy, just caught up more of this. goodness me, Cricket Australia getting involved was just the funniest thing ive ever seen.
They couldnt wait to get up out of their cubicles and bust out the press release in order to tick off all the crises management cliches.
no doubt they'll all be back at HQ tonight sipping a nice red toasting their success at making sure their brand is NOT homophobic.


Israel Folau would no doubt be out in the backyard burning his Grey Nicholls as we speak.

[MFKS]

Good to see Facebook and Instagram have declared their hand and are attempting to influence the 2020 re election by removing journos and commentators who supported Trump in 2016 and helped get him up

Left have spent the last 2 years bitching about the Russians influencing the election in 2016 yet are now attempting to directly influence the 2020 election by silencing conservatives

Be interesting to see how Trump responds

[MFKS]

The burn in the leftists at Shorten blowing this election is gonna be great

[plague]

yeah this is astonishing.
even if Labor gets up, Shorten doesnt see a full first term.

[plague]

also, theres gonna be a big group of people celebrating the downfall of Abbott tonight with the coronation of Steggall.


but.


they are also the same people who hate Trump.

well guess what, they both got there the same way.

[Jim]

apparently throwing eggs is a nasty protest.

QLD has too many retirees not wanting their super taxed.

Penny Wong is a nasty piece of work.

[MFKS]

also, theres gonna be a big group of people celebrating the downfall of Abbott tonight with the coronation of Steggall.


but.


they are also the same people who hate Trump.

well guess what, they both got there the same way.

I am sure Abbott will be fine when he gets his ex PM pension next month and he gets the wrath of employment opportunities that will come his way. **** in 12 months time I am sure he will be thanking his lucky stars for the change to his life being a positive


Interesting thing if the leftist retards hadn't of diverted so many resources at Abbott they may have seen the Liberals lose the election

[plague]

i want Bill Shortens concession speech refined into a fine powder and injected directly into my veins.

i cannot wait.

[plague]

He done it*



















Lose the unlosable that is.

Suck it you little bitch.

[plague]

Billary Shorten.






Trademark the **** out of that.

[Frodo]

Bill Shorten had a 58% preference as prime minister. He got very ****ed very hard by the Queensland state government's decision to get in bed with Adani.

At least Clive spent his $60 million well.

[Jetmaster]

Turned on the Nein coverage at 5.50pm proclaiming ALP win of 13 seats.
Switched to Sky who concentrated on the count.

Trump, Brexit and now this....I tipped the trifecta.

[The Dunster]

Thanks Bill. I got ScoMo at sixes

[MFKS]

Bill Shorten had a 58% preference as prime minister. He got very ****ed very hard by the Queensland state government's decision to get in bed with Adani.

At least Clive spent his $60 million well.

ALP got ****ed by tieing their wagon to the lunatic left

Australia said no to their Social Engineering dogma

The tears from the left today are priceless
They ain't winning the next election as they are that much in denial about why they lost they won't understand it

[Frodo]

ALP got ****ed by tieing their wagon to the lunatic left

Australia said no to their Social Engineering dogma

The tears from the left today are priceless
They ain't winning the next election as they are that much in denial about why they lost they won't understand it

As if that isn't the most exaggerated statement I've read on these forums.

Please explain this ridiculous statement if you can?

Social engineering? Got any examples?

Lunatic left? Can you show me the communists? Cause that is what left wing extremism is.

[Frodo]

This election is just proof that Australia is no longer a progressive nation.

We have backed the US and UK to become super powers again and look after us instead of breaking out on our own and joining the rest of the world. It's a bold (IMO terrible) strategy, the US is in freefall and the UK can't agree on anything long enough to make it happen.

[traffic light]

This election is just proof that Australia is no longer a progressive nation.

We have backed the US and UK to become super powers again and look after us instead of breaking out on our own and joining the rest of the world. It's a bold (IMO terrible) strategy, the US is in freefall and the UK can't agree on anything long enough to make it happen.

Nah. You being another outraged socialist doesnt refute conservative policy. You can still wear pink without having a cry.

Theres still clean energy coming through, just not via the immature tanties from school kids that you like. We'll still do it without throwing the economy under a bus.

[MFKS]

As if that isn't the most exaggerated statement I've read on these forums.

Please explain this ridiculous statement if you can?

Social engineering? Got any examples?

Lunatic left? Can you show me the communists? Cause that is what left wing extremism is.

Social Engineering

Let's start with ALP ridiculous policy of electing candidates based on whether they have a pussy or a dick not basing it on merit

So straight away they are not interested in offering the best candidates they should but more interested in appealing to ridiculous leftist SJW goals

We can move onto their love affair with promoting every LGQBT and gender identity issue they can and unleashing that BS on society as well

[MFKS]

As if that isn't the most exaggerated statement I've read on these forums.

Please explain this ridiculous statement if you can?

Social engineering? Got any examples?

Lunatic left? Can you show me the communists? Cause that is what left wing extremism is.

Lunatic Left

Greens ALP

Wong
Di Natalie
SHY

[MFKS]

This election is just proof that Australia is no longer a progressive nation.

We have backed the US and UK to become super powers again and look after us instead of breaking out on our own and joining the rest of the world. It's a bold (IMO terrible) strategy, the US is in freefall and the UK can't agree on anything long enough to make it happen.

The reasons why Trump Brexit and Sco Mo got up here are flying over your head just as they are with every other leftist nutter

Reality is there are large amounts of people who are being told what to think and say on a daily basis by LW NutJobs

On Election Day these people get to speak for themselves

And they are voting accordingly

The ALP will not be in government in Oz until they remove the **** wit left wing Nut Jobs in their midst and also remove any ties to the cancer that is the Greens

[Frodo]

Social Engineering

Let's start with ALP ridiculous policy of electing candidates based on whether they have a pussy or a dick not basing it on merit

So straight away they are not interested in offering the best candidates they should but more interested in appealing to ridiculous leftist SJW goals

We can move onto their love affair with promoting every LGQBT and gender identity issue they can and unleashing that BS on society as well

I don't know where you live, but I don't see any LGBTQI stuff coming from Labour. Do you remember who was in power when the same sex marriage vote occurred? I think you are confusing the media with Labour.

No points there buddy. Try again.

[Frodo]

Nah. You being another outraged socialist doesnt refute conservative policy. You can still wear pink without having a cry.

Theres still clean energy coming through, just not via the immature tanties from school kids that you like. We'll still do it without throwing the economy under a bus.

Nice name calling. Did your mum proof read this for you.

I'm not outraged, it was pretty easy to see the Liberals would win. My point isn't even over the top.

We are going to sit on our hands for the next few years and hope that problems fix themselves. Conservative rather than progressive.


Don't act like the current government isn't due for any criticism. And maybe don't act like the only reason they got back into power was because the right is strong and the left is weak. There are plenty of snowflakes in the right wing. Just watch how quickly they go from facts to name calling online.....

[Frodo]

The reasons why Trump Brexit and Sco Mo got up here are flying over your head just as they are with every other leftist nutter

Reality is there are large amounts of people who are being told what to think and say on a daily basis by LW NutJobs

On Election Day these people get to speak for themselves

And they are voting accordingly

The ALP will not be in government in Oz until they remove the **** wit left wing Nut Jobs in their midst and also remove any ties to the cancer that is the Greens

Please don't act like I don't know why those people/brexit got voted in. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't understand why it happened.

Plus, all of this right wing swing will be over once the baby boomers die off. Then you can really complain about the lefty lunatics.

[plague]

Its been amazing how the twitterverse (who actually dont matter) has responded to this election, especially toward Queensland.
the holier than thou attitude has been hilarious.

because these same voters that everyone called rednecks and morons etc actually recently voted in a state Labor govt, they voted for SSM and (may be incorrect here but did hear it) they have voted more Labor govts in federally than Liberal over time.

but yet 'they' are the idiots for turning their back on Shorten.

the sooner everyone just admits Shorten was possibly the worst candidate for PM this country has ever seen and they blew an unlosable election the easier it will be for them to knock off the Libs next time.

but year, keep blaming the voting public, that 'always' works.

[plague]

Plus, all of this right wing swing will be over once the baby boomers die off. Then you can really complain about the lefty lunatics.

yeah im not sure anyone can hook their wagon on to this theory anymore.

Labor/Shorten went after a whole new generation of voters this election. The pissed in a new pond and im not sure they will be able to clean it up in a short space of time.
the wins the Libs had were in 'working class' areas, the ones they lost were actually the affluent suburbs. the Libs base is back to the 'Howards battlers', and thats a huge number. Shorten went after them, when he didnt have to .

heck, if you want the best indicator, look at Fitzgibbon in Hunter. Bloke had no competition yet effectively campaigned against the interests of his own constituents and they countered with a huge middle finger to the bloke. He'll keep the seat but holy hell if they dont learn from that one then they are destined for irrelevance for a long long time.

[q-money]

everyone wants to be a landlord, baby

or a cop

[plague]

everyone wants to be a landlord, baby

or a cop

i think the election definitely proved that no one wants to be a Newcastle Jet thats for damn sure.

[q-money]

anyway, winning the election is the easy bit for big scozzler.

does anyone actually know what his platform is other than not doing what the other guy said he would?

apart from the tax cut i legit have no idea what the policies are.

looking increasingly harder to blame a labor government that's been out of power for 2 terms

[Macca]

looking increasingly harder to blame a labor government that's been out of power for 2 terms

You underestimate their determination and the people's ability to swallow their tripe.

[MFKS]

I don't know where you live, but I don't see any LGBTQI stuff coming from Labour. Do you remember who was in power when the same sex marriage vote occurred? I think you are confusing the media with Labour.

No points there buddy. Try again.

They ain't leading with it but the same crack pots who support these ideas are front n centre of the ALP
Wong Pilbersek etc

If they believe enough to try and run some of that BS they did to get elected with electric cars renewable and climate change BS one can only imagine the tripe they would come up with when they are in power

Saturday was a great day as the Aussie people dodged a ****ing bullet of LW insanity being inflicted on the nation thanks to these clowns

Good thing is they won't be getting re elected for another couple of elections either

[plague]

apart from the tax cut i legit have no idea what the policies are.

i think his election pitch was about keeping things how they are at the moment, and if you like where we are at, then vote for us, but if you dont like where you are, then vote for that guy and do it his way.

then everyone kind of looked at Shortens policies (which were quite different) and were like, "yeah nah we cool".

the only area where people seemed confused on is climate change. neither team had an actual policy, just 'targets'. they provided no real roadmap on how they were gonna tackle the issue itself and both seemed 'pretty' similar (no nukes, move to renewables) and everyone knew Shorten was going to go ahead with Adani.
the lack of clear 'how' was a big problem to a lot of people. Shortens idea of 'just vote for us and we'll tell you later' didnt seem to work ,and Scomo just didnt seem to care to explain.

Then for Bob Brown to get involved. Whoo boy, if im Shorten first punch in the nose goes to that bloke. What a dill.

[q-money]

Saturday was a great day as the Aussie people dodged a ****ing bullet of LW insanity being inflicted on the nation thanks to these clowns


it's a bit overstated don't you think, the australian labor party is probably the least "left" of all the global social dem/labour movements out there

imagine if you had a corbyn/AOC on your hands. you'd be first in the gulag

[MFKS]

Its been amazing how the twitterverse (who actually dont matter) has responded to this election, especially toward Queensland.
the holier than thou attitude has been hilarious.

because these same voters that everyone called rednecks and morons etc actually recently voted in a state Labor govt, they voted for SSM and (may be incorrect here but did hear it) they have voted more Labor govts in federally than Liberal over time.

but yet 'they' are the idiots for turning their back on Shorten.

the sooner everyone just admits Shorten was possibly the worst candidate for PM this country has ever seen and they blew an unlosable election the easier it will be for them to knock off the Libs next time.

but year, keep blaming the voting public, that 'always' works.

Nothing sweeter than the lefts tears of delusion

Can't handle democracy in effect

All the left are good for is trying to tell people how to be and whining

[plague]

They ain't leading with it but the same crack pots who support these ideas are front n centre of the ALP
Wong Pilbersek etc


Wong doesnt support gay marriage, Wong supports keeping her senate ticket regardless of the cost to her rep.

also, just an aside, why on Griffs green earth would anyone consider being called a 'warrior' for social justice as an insult? believing in better outcomes for sections of society that are discriminated against should be a good thing yeah?

[plague]

it's a bit overstated don't you think, the australian labor party is probably the least "left" of all the global social dem/labour movements out there


i dunno, the fact they went after super, capital gains tax, negative gearing and estate taxes in the one hit showed exactly who they were after, and a lot of those people arent 'rich'. they've done well, but they aint rich. it was an interesting fight to pick, and an unnecessary one at that.

[plague]

You underestimate their determination and the people's ability to swallow their tripe.

this is an interesting way to describe it. what tripe are you talking about specifically?

because i thought this was the least cringeworthy slogan type election for ages.

and sure we can talk about being a bit alarmist, but legit, neither side can claim to be innocent there. for every "Bills gonna rob ya super" theres a "Scomo gonna rob your penalty rates" reaction.

i think people voted for what mattered to them over the perceived 'good of the country/planet'. and i dont think thats at all an unfair approach. because a lot of the 'for the good of the country/planet' type folks who yell the loudest, are also the most hypocritical. and y'all wanna have your ducks in a row before telling 'ME' what I 'NEED' to do.

[q-money]

i dunno, the fact they went after super, capital gains tax, negative gearing and estate taxes in the one hit showed exactly who they were after, and a lot of those people arent 'rich'. they've done well, but they aint rich. it was an interesting fight to pick, and an unnecessary one at that.

i was more focusing on the safe-schools, LGBTIQ stuff that always seems to get rolled out when one talks about "left politics" in australia, which i really don't think makes up much of the platform.

anyway - there's a good article in the SMH looking at how victorian labor who led the campaign tried to run with a victorian platform that just doesn't resonate with the rest of the country. nsw right reportedly furious with how the campaign went and looking back you can see why.

the focus is on QLD but NSW severely underperformed here, western sydney demo has changed massively and is probably more right wing than ever, and won't change in a hurry

[plague]

i was more focusing on the safe-schools, LGBTIQ stuff that always seems to get rolled out when one talks about "left politics" in australia, which i really don't think makes up much of the platform.


yeah look i personally think that stuff as an election issue is so far down the line it would be lucky to swing a handful of voters.
its just your AM radio talkback hosts like the good Member who bring it up.

As for western sydney, these people out there now own million dollar houses, they work good jobs and have small businesses. They might have an investment property, and they are def relying on their super to fund their post work lives.
They should be Labor to their bootstraps, but Shorten gave them no reason to vote for him. Those issues i wrote earlier were aimed directly at those types of people and they bit back.

[MFKS]

Wong doesnt support gay marriage, Wong supports keeping her senate ticket regardless of the cost to her rep.

also, just an aside, why on Griffs green earth would anyone consider being called a 'warrior' for social justice as an insult? believing in better outcomes for sections of society that are discriminated against should be a good thing yeah?

Why would you want to be known as a social justice warrior anyway??

Having 72 genders ain't really helping anyone is it ??

It worked quite well when we has men women and crazy

Now people are walking around on egg shells perverts are in women's bathrooms and women getting the **** beat out of them in women's sport

Yep this is real ****ing progress

[MFKS]

yeah look i personally think that stuff as an election issue is so far down the line it would be lucky to swing a handful of voters.
its just your AM radio talkback hosts like the good Member who bring it up.

As for western sydney, these people out there now own million dollar houses, they work good jobs and have small businesses. They might have an investment property, and they are def relying on their super to fund their post work lives.
They should be Labor to their bootstraps, but Shorten gave them no reason to vote for him. Those issues i wrote earlier were aimed directly at those types of people and they bit back.

Because the ALP has been hijacked by the brainwashed socialists greens and Liberal nutters who spent their uni days tying themselves to fig trees and handcuffing themselves to bulldozers

By the way Civic Park look ****ing great now it been a few years since those hideous trees were removed

[plague]

Why would you want to be known as a social justice warrior anyway??

Having 72 genders ain't really helping anyone is it ??


rest easy big fella, no one is gonna take away your man card. you can still eat raw meat and bite your toenails with all the confidence you've always had. im sure the emergence of 6, 40 or 72 genders isnt going to affect your life one iota. unless of course you're the type that gets all raged up by things like that. which usually means you go looking for it, which is probably more of a 'you' issue that a 'them' issue.

[plague]

tying themselves to fig trees and handcuffing themselves to bulldozers


as opposed to handcuffing yourself to 2 genders?

[plague]

women getting the **** beat out of them in women's sport


huh?
like female boxing?

[MFKS]

rest easy big fella, no one is gonna take away your man card. you can still eat raw meat and bite your toenails with all the confidence you've always had. im sure the emergence of 6, 40 or 72 genders isnt going to affect your life one iota. unless of course you're the type that gets all raged up by things like that. which usually means you go looking for it, which is probably more of a 'you' issue that a 'them' issue.

There are only 2 genders

Mental disorders and imagination don't count

[MFKS]

huh?
like female boxing?

No I talking about women being beaten in sport because some bloke claimed they are a woman see the above mental disorder or imagination point

Men competing in women's sport or going for a piss in a women's bath room ain't helping anyone at all

[plague]

No I talking about women being beaten in sport because some bloke claimed they are a woman see the above mental disorder or imagination point

Men competing in women's sport or going for a piss in a women's bath room ain't helping anyone at all

oh, i read about one instance in a US college track meet. is that what you're talking about?

because on a scale of 1-100, 1 being meh and 100 being the world is gonna end this rates about a 3.

[plague]

also, superb timing in that NOW is the time where you want a sporting organisation to come down hard on 'rule' breakers.


because, yanno, you didnt seem to have a problem with Folau breaking the rules did you?

[Frodo]

There are only 2 genders

Mental disorders and imagination don't count

I never knew you had so many issues with public bathrooms.

Good to see you're getting to the real issues here.

[plague]

I never knew you had so many issues with public bathrooms.

Good to see you're getting to the real issues here.

The Member: "LOONEY LEFT"!!!!
Twitter: "NAZI's, MISOGYNISTS"!!!!
99% of the voting population: "lemme hear about that tax cut for a little minute again please?"

[MFKS]

oh, i read about one instance in a US college track meet. is that what you're talking about?

because on a scale of 1-100, 1 being meh and 100 being the world is gonna end this rates about a 3.

The Yanks past a bill a couple of days ago where any boy who identifies as a woman will be allowed to compete in female sports

You think we are at a 3

The insanity coming has just been unleashed


Me I am gonna sit back and enjoy the lulz as I can't stand women's sport anyway

[Frodo]

The Yanks past a bill a couple of days ago where any boy who identifies as a woman will be allowed to compete in female sports

You think we are at a 3

The insanity coming has just been unleashed


Me I am gonna sit back and enjoy the lulz as I can't stand women's sport anyway


No they didn't.

[MFKS]

No they didn't.

Equality Act

The fruit loop Lefts called the Democrats just got it through the 1st hoop on Friday

The shot show is in the mail now

[plague]

ok, the thing i will miss the most about Bill Shorten is the way his missus used to stare at him while he made speeches.
She dead set constantly had a look on her face like "what the **** is he talking about, really, i married this dude?".

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still, nothing will beat the Queen of this category though.

BEHOLD!!!!!!
https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0HlADMS95lBYXUl2/200w.webp?cid=790b76115ce281ab78757868323c10bc&rid=200w.webp

[baldrick]

https://youtu.be/a3LpQfMXmeg

[Frodo]

Equality Act

The fruit loop Lefts called the Democrats just got it through the 1st hoop on Friday

The shot show is in the mail now

So Mr Fake News.

It passed the House, but hasn't gone through the Republican owned Senate yet, so it's likely that it won't get passed anyway.

Also it's an anti discrimination Act not a "let's allow men to play women's sports" act. Do you realise that at the moment in the majority of US states its totally legal to discriminate against someone because of their sexual preference?? That's ****ed up. If you want to **** another consenting adult, that's your business.

Do you really stay awake at night worrying about dudes ****ing dudes? Cause if so, you really need to get a life.

Although, it does explain your fear of public toilets.

[Bon]

https://youtu.be/a3LpQfMXmeg

Such a good scene!!!!! hahaha
Love your work baldrick..

[MFKS]

So Mr Fake News.

It passed the House, but hasn't gone through the Republican owned Senate yet, so it's likely that it won't get passed anyway.

Also it's an anti discrimination Act not a "let's allow men to play women's sports" act. Do you realise that at the moment in the majority of US states its totally legal to discriminate against someone because of their sexual preference?? That's ****ed up. If you want to **** another consenting adult, that's your business.

Do you really stay awake at night worrying about dudes ****ing dudes? Cause if so, you really need to get a life.

Although, it does explain your fear of public toilets.

It called the Equality Act and it will eventually.be the way of the future thanks to brain dead leftists

They may not get it through this time but there will come a time when it will be enshrined in law that a man can identify as a woman and go take a piss in a female toilet and they will be protected by the law to do so

Just as there will come a day when men unable to make it in their own sport against other men will drop down a division and compete against women and thanks to equality be cleaning up the $$$

That the thing with you leftists

You don't see your own insanity will lead to consequences

[q-money]

Just as there will come a day when men unable to make it in their own sport against other men will drop down a division
how is this any different to real life now

[MFKS]

how is this any different to real life now

Boogaard don't get to play W League if Bert don't pick him does he??

[Bon]

Boogaard don't get to play W League if Bert don't pick him does he??

But by your own argument, isn't that what you want?
You said you can't stand women's sport, wouldn't you want it *apparently* made better by dudes?

[q-money]

But by your own argument, isn't that what you want?
You said you can't stand women's sport, wouldn't you want it *apparently* made better by dudes?

:rof:

[Frodo]

It called the Equality Act and it will eventually.be the way of the future thanks to brain dead leftists

They may not get it through this time but there will come a time when it will be enshrined in law that a man can identify as a woman and go take a piss in a female toilet and they will be protected by the law to do so

Just as there will come a day when men unable to make it in their own sport against other men will drop down a division and compete against women and thanks to equality be cleaning up the $$$

That the thing with you leftists

You don't see your own insanity will lead to consequences

Your delusions must be more exciting than the final season if Game of Thrones. I think your tin foil has slipped slightly.

[plague]

Member: 'Americans passed a law
People: 'nah they didn't
Member: 'no, they didn't but they might'


Dude you folded like a picnic table. Lets not do crimes together because you would rat me out within like 7 seconds.

[plague]

Also, this Chris Bowen thing.
For a party that was blamed as being completely tone deaf at the last election to immediately put this dude up as a future leader shows that they are still pretty ****ing tone deaf.

[The Dunster]

Also, this Chris Bowen thing.
For a party that was blamed as being completely tone deaf at the last election to immediately put this dude up as a future leader shows that they are still pretty ****ing tone deaf.

There is absolutely nothing the ALP could do to win an election. They don't offer anyone on any side of the political spectrum anything worth voting for.

To be honest all they are is a party for people that don't want to vote LNP. That's it.

[Bremsstrahlung]

All the candidates have very punchable faces.
I’d be putting forward Tania Plibersek. At least you’ll only get the run n cuddle people thinking she was a punchable face.
I know she doesn’t want it, she’s clever.

Seriously though. There are zero people in politics that you are thinking, oh yeh, this guy or lady sounds like they know what to do.

Almost like we need a tragedy so somebody can step up and show some balls.
NZ PM post shooting, QLD Premier post cyclones, that’s inspiring leadership. Easy to do when something significant happens, I know, but that’s what people want.
Ffs even some Americans felt inspired by Trump and voted him in, and to those that voted for him, he is probably doing a good job.


Australian elections are literally voting for the least worst candidate.

[plague]

Australian elections are literally voting for the least worst candidate.

exactly, so why put up the very worst candidate you have?
i mean, you gotta at least pretend to try yeah?



as for Plibersek, dont be fooled. She wanted it, and wanted it badly. but her and Albo belong to the same faction, and he had the numbers so she 'couldnt' win.

Bowen was put up by a different faction in the party. Not because hes good, or worthy, but because a group of spineless pricks felt they 'needed' to put someone up because thats how these parties operate......instead of, yanno, deciding someone is toxic and keeping them the hell away from the position.


Things couldnt have worked out better for ScoMo. All of the old brigade Libs have gone (esp the Turnbull sycophants), everyone left owes him a debt for getting them back in, so at least that side of politics will be stable for a bit. plus, your Duttons/Freydenbergs etc now know leadership aint for them, so they'll keep the good perks and retire happy when the time comes.

who knows, we might go a full term without someone getting knifed.

[Jetmaster]

The people voted in the Libs because nobody does Lib better. ALP are trying but they are not as good at being Lib yet.

[Frodo]

There is absolutely nothing the ALP could do to win an election. They don't offer anyone on any side of the political spectrum anything worth voting for.

To be honest all they are is a party for people that don't want to vote LNP. That's it.

Wait, so the party that actually had policies to put forward is the one with nothing to offer? And the LNP who just sat on their hands and hoped they'd won offer something to people?


I think you are trying to make a point about them appearing dead in the water, but you failed to do so.

I'd say Labour are early favourites to win the next election, just because that's how politics swing over the long term. People are pretty lazy when it comes to politics, everyone just blames their own problems on the incumbent and votes against them every once in a while. This election will be forgotten in about 3 months time and it will all start fresh. There's a big difference between election time politics and every day politics.

[plague]

Wait, so the party that actually had policies to put forward is the one with nothing to offer? And the LNP who just sat on their hands and hoped they'd won offer something to people?


The Liberals had policies.
They just didnt resonate with the loud online people like Labors did.
Plus, when you're the incumbent, it looks a bit daft to go "hey elect us and we'll change everything we've been doing for the past 6 years".
Their policy of 'more of the same', and 'less of what that lot will do' seemed to work.

[Frodo]

The Liberals had policies.
They just didnt resonate with the loud online people like Labors did.
Plus, when you're the incumbent, it looks a bit daft to go "hey elect us and we'll change everything we've been doing for the past 6 years".
Their policy of 'more of the same', and 'less of what that lot will do' seemed to work.

Ops. I missed a bit of that paragraph when I edited it.

I meant to say that it was a great idea and worked to perfection. But that it's not like they are offering much to people in comparison to Labour. Liberals did everything well this election, labour didn't. But I don't like the idea that Labour should stop what they are doing and try to copy liberals approach of "it ain't broke, so don't fix it" cause we are maybe 5-10 years away from the thing breaking.

[MFKS]

Wait, so the party that actually had policies to put forward is the one with nothing to offer? And the LNP who just sat on their hands and hoped they'd won offer something to people?


I think you are trying to make a point about them appearing dead in the water, but you failed to do so.

I'd say Labour are early favourites to win the next election, just because that's how politics swing over the long term. People are pretty lazy when it comes to politics, everyone just blames their own problems on the incumbent and votes against them every once in a while. This election will be forgotten in about 3 months time and it will all start fresh. There's a big difference between election time politics and every day politics.

Labor are early favourites to win in 2022??

They are no hope

Their best chance to win an election was the other day and then they went backwards

You living some delusion if you think they getting re elected anytime soon

Do you need a tin foil hat as I have spares

[Frodo]

Labor are early favourites to win in 2022??

They are no hope

Their best chance to win an election was the other day and then they went backwards

You living some delusion if you think they getting re elected anytime soon

Do you need a tin foil hat as I have spares

There's as much evidence to prove my statement as there is yours. None.

Keep a hold of your spares in case the wind picks up, or you need to cover some left overs.

[plague]

Labor are early favourites to win in 2022??

They are no hope

Their best chance to win an election was the other day and then they went backwards

You living some delusion if you think they getting re elected anytime soon

Do you need a tin foil hat as I have spares

Keating won the unwinnable election, he was out of office 3 years later to the bloke that went on to be the 2nd longest serving PM in our history.

[MFKS]

Keating won the unwinnable election, he was out of office 3 years later to the bloke that went on to be the 2nd longest serving PM in our history.

Won't happen again

The ALP are already in opposition this time

[plague]

Won't happen again

The ALP are already in opposition this time

Member: this thing cant happen.
Someone: it already has.
Member: this thing cant happen........twice.



you literally are the worst at this and its amazing.
i wish you more of the same success in the future.


Good day.

[Skirt Boy]

Because the ALP has been hijacked by the brainwashed socialists greens and Liberal nutters who spent their uni days tying themselves to fig trees and handcuffing themselves to bulldozers

By the way Civic Park look ****ing great now it been a few years since those hideous trees were removed

This is from the ALP's constitution. It has been there since day 1 as far as I know.

"The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the
democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the
extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields."

So yeah. Hijacked by socialists? **** off the party has always been socialist. Also some trivia. The Australian Labor Party was the first socialist party anywhere in the world to actually get power when it briefly ruled Queensland in 1899.

Oh hi guys

[The Dunster]

Keating won the unwinnable election, he was out of office 3 years later to the bloke that went on to be the 2nd longest serving PM in our history.

https://www.rba.gov.au/speeches/2012/images/sp-gov-240712-graph5.gif

Which based on this graph demonstrates just how little people consider economic factors when they vote.

Get the marketing right, get the media to back you all the way and you can win any election regardless of how shit you are performing as a government.

[plague]

Oh hi guys

Praise Griff, for SB has returned.

Now post some photos ya creep.

Please.


Regards,
Everyone.

[MFKS]

This is from the ALP's constitution. It has been there since day 1 as far as I know.

"The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the
democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the
extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields."

So yeah. Hijacked by socialists? **** off the party has always been socialist. Also some trivia. The Australian Labor Party was the first socialist party anywhere in the world to actually get power when it briefly ruled Queensland in 1899.

Oh hi guys

****ing communists

[Skirt Boy]

****ing communists

Do you like Medicare? HECS/HELP? Superannuation?

[MFKS]

Do you like Medicare? HECS/HELP? Superannuation?

Currently sitting at the Doctors waiting for 1 hour so far and I am told I got 2 more to go

Would rather be in one of those 3rd world places without socialist medicine where I walk in pay and am treated straight away

So yeah shove your socialist welfare programs up your proverbial


Also the government welfare problems are one divisive thing for a conducive society in the first place
Alk they do is breed entitled monther****ers who sit around with their hand our in expectation of being provided shit by the state


That why we have a welfare country with so many parasites ducking the life out of the nation

[Frodo]

Currently sitting at the Doctors waiting for 1 hour so far and I am told I got 2 more to go

Would rather be in one of those 3rd world places without socialist medicine where I walk in pay and am treated straight away

So yeah shove your socialist welfare programs up your proverbial

You don't actually believe one iota of this. You may talk tough, but you'd be the one of the first on here bawling your eyes out if we had a system like the US.


Also the government welfare problems are one divisive thing for a conducive society in the first place
Alk they do is breed entitled monther****ers who sit around with their hand our in expectation of being provided shit by the state


That why we have a welfare country with so many parasites ducking the life out of the nation

Having a welfare system isn't the problem, the system was designed poorly at the beginning and has gotten worse over the years. They need massive reforms to welfare, but no government is willing to put the effort into fixing it.

Don't forget your wonderful conservative liberal government used a handout to confuse voters into thinking they care about lower/middle class families during the election. Everyone gets a $1080 tax rebate! Even though they have already back tracked on that promise, it was still a very socialist trick to use.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Currently sitting at the Doctors waiting for 1 hour so far and I am told I got 2 more to go
.......


Also the government welfare problems are one divisive thing for a conducive society in the first place
Alk they do is breed entitled monther****ers who sit around with their hand our in expectation of being provided shit by the state




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[MFKS]

.

I happy to pay for the treatment

Unfortunately I don't have the opportunity

Over in Thailand you walk in and are seen within 30 minutes in a hospital or a medical clinic

Why??

Because you pay for it

[MFKS]

You don't actually believe one iota of this. You may talk tough, but you'd be the one of the first on here bawling your eyes out if we had a system like the US.



Having a welfare system isn't the problem, the system was designed poorly at the beginning and has gotten worse over the years. They need massive reforms to welfare, but no government is willing to put the effort into fixing it.

Don't forget your wonderful conservative liberal government used a handout to confuse voters into thinking they care about lower/middle class families during the election. Everyone gets a $1080 tax rebate! Even though they have already back tracked on that promise, it was still a very socialist trick to use.

I believe it big time

All that welfare programs do is make people dependant on the state

That why we see so many single parent families these days

Because the government have made it possible to be dependant on the state to survive

Throw in your dole budged and other assorted basket cases and we have more with their hand out living life off the taxpayer

[plague]

Don't forget your wonderful conservative liberal government used a handout to confuse voters into thinking they care about lower/middle class families during the election. Everyone gets a $1080 tax rebate! Even though they have already back tracked on that promise, it was still a very socialist trick to use.

a tax cut aint welfare. its letting you keep more of your money. money that you earned. im all about that.
also, they havent backtracked. it is getting passed and will have the support of everyone. The ATO will backdate it so it will be paid from 1st July as promised.


onto the good Members gripes..........
now, i am happy to pay for and support these so called 'socialist' policies like healthcare, a safety net for the unemployed and aged pensions. i dont think of myself as a socialist though, and cant think of being friends with assholes who dont want to help those less fortunate* than us.

as for "bhuuh the system gets rorted". fair point, and i wish we could do more to **** off the assholes who rort the system. But you know who else rorts the system? rich people, thats who. we just had a GFC and banking royal commission what resulted in pretty much zero police charges despite waste, greed and corruption on a scale we've never seen before. so **** everyone thinking its just poor people who are the only ones trying to scam stuff.

throw the rorters in jail, however they are dressed i dont care. but seriously though, you can enjoy 'socialist' programs and not be a socialist. you can enjoy the benefits of capitalism** and not be a Trump fanboi. its almost as if the sweet spot is somewhere right in the middle. fancy that.







*except gypos. **** giving them any of my cash. they can rot in the gutter. worthless trash. **** em.

** also also, if capitalism was so great we'd all be wearing Jets shaped hats by now but nooooooooo, we still dont have them so the ****ing system cant be all that enviable now can it?

[Skirt Boy]

@MFKS

Surely you don't believe any of this crap?

Just go to seek. Go have a look at the entry level jobs. For supposed entry level you sure do need a lot of qualifications and experience.

What chance does the unemployed have? They could be down a few grand just to get the tickets with no guarantee there will be work to follow.

Throw in the casualisation of and part timing of the work force...........Countries ****ed mate.

[Skirt Boy]

And if you wanted to know what you voted for.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/small-business/extraordinarily-heartless-store-sacks-chef-with-cancer-for-taking-sick-leave-20190521-p51pqi.html

[Frodo]

I believe it big time

All that welfare programs do is make people dependant on the state

That why we see so many single parent families these days

Because the government have made it possible to be dependant on the state to survive

Throw in your dole budged and other assorted basket cases and we have more with their hand out living life off the taxpayer

So what would you rather do with the poor? Let them starve? Are we heading down a 'Purge' type of conversation?

It's all well and good saying it doesn't work, you need to offer up something as an alternative? Otherwise you may as well just piss into the wind.

[Frodo]

And if you wanted to know what you voted for.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/small-business/extraordinarily-heartless-store-sacks-chef-with-cancer-for-taking-sick-leave-20190521-p51pqi.html

That is just indicative of a society that is losing compassion for it's fellow man. Not politics. People are just trash nowadays, or at least the trash is more visible.

[plague]

That is just indicative of a society that is losing compassion for it's fellow man. Not politics. People are just trash nowadays, or at least the trash is more visible.

yeah i agree here, no one on any side of politics is stanning for that shit.

it also does bring up a valid point about how important unions are in the workplace. now these days im an employer, but ive lived on both sides (once being both employee and employer at the same time) and i have always believed in the importance of strong unions to protect workers.

the problem is that nowadays most news regarding unions is either them protesting about shit that aint in their wheelhouse like climate change, power plays to get their preferred candidate into a political position or getting arrested for being scumbags.
If unions spent their time, energy and resources looking after the worker everyone would be a member. but sadly, membership is dropping, and no one seems to care.

[Skirt Boy]

If unions spent their time, energy and resources looking after the worker everyone would be a member. but sadly, membership is dropping, and no one seems to care.

that's because the government has taken away their teeth and left them with very little bite.

[q-money]

I happy to pay for the treatment

Unfortunately I don't have the opportunity

Over in Thailand you walk in and are seen within 30 minutes in a hospital or a medical clinic

Why??

Because you pay for it

lol. gotta be one of the biggest false equivalencies of all time.

lets see how far the money you pay for preferential treatment in thailand goes over here. not fkn far.

go sit in the wards in siriraj and see how good we've got it.

[plague]

that's because the government has taken away their teeth and left them with very little bite.

i understand your point but disagree somewhat.
you are only as strong as your constituents. be it employees, members, fans etc.
If the unions were an enticing enough option they'd have people flooding in to join up.
Govts are never going to take away the employees real rights. they'll go after scumbag union bosses (and they should be as fervent going after corporate bosses too) but they legally and politically can never be the ones seen to take away genuine workers rights.
no party would ever be so stupid.


and please, before anyone dares bring up penalty rates etc do your homework dont come at me with some weak sauce bullshit cause im ready for any and all of that.

[plague]

I happy to pay for the treatment

Unfortunately I don't have the opportunity

Over in Thailand you walk in and are seen within 30 minutes in a hospital or a medical clinic

Why??

Because you pay for it

well you kind of 'do' have the opportunity.
you sound like you've found utopia over there in Thailand.

why not move?

[MFKS]

lol. gotta be one of the biggest false equivalencies of all time.

lets see how far the money you pay for preferential treatment in thailand goes over here. not fkn far.

go sit in the wards in siriraj and see how good we've got it.

Hospitals were cleaner and more efficient than John Hunter was 25 years ago

The treatment I have had was infinitely superior to that found in Oz and at a fraction of the cost

So your point is??

[MFKS]

So what would you rather do with the poor? Let them starve? Are we heading down a 'Purge' type of conversation?

It's all well and good saying it doesn't work, you need to offer up something as an alternative? Otherwise you may as well just piss into the wind.

Why exactly is it my problem what happens with the poor ??

Every **** in the country has the opportunity to earn a crust

Get off your arse and do it


Works well in other countries

If you don't work you don't eat

Sort of gets people off their arses

As for poor people we don't have real poverty in this country

[Skirt Boy]

i understand your point but disagree somewhat.
you are only as strong as your constituents. be it employees, members, fans etc.
If the unions were an enticing enough option they'd have people flooding in to join up.
Govts are never going to take away the employees real rights. they'll go after scumbag union bosses (and they should be as fervent going after corporate bosses too) but they legally and politically can never be the ones seen to take away genuine workers rights.
no party would ever be so stupid.


and please, before anyone dares bring up penalty rates etc do your homework dont come at me with some weak sauce bullshit cause im ready for any and all of that.


Well Howard did try to bring in Work Choices. Made it really really hard to have industrial action and so on and son. Those older than 30 should know all about that.

I'll go there. And well. The Libs did cut penalty rates. :D

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/penalty-rate-cut-failed-to-create-one-new-job/news-story/4946a1915162c197a896063ae4009bb7

[traffic light]

That is just indicative of a society that is losing compassion for it's fellow man. Not politics. People are just trash nowadays, or at least the trash is more visible.

exactly, those nut cases who think there can be more than 2 genders have no respect for those that dont. Feminists hate men generally and are allowed to be bigots and climate freakers are wanting coal stopped now instead of phasing it in in due course until friendly power can handle the whole load.

We still need welfare for all that need it and not just the chosen few groups that Green jerks want to help. And jobs for 1000's workers on basic wage.

Try and pigeon hole this political party

[plague]

Well Howard did try to bring in Work Choices. Made it really really hard to have industrial action and so on and son. Those older than 30 should know all about that.

I'll go there. And well. The Libs did cut penalty rates. :D


Workchoices never took away any of the unions power. It def gave people a reason to 'want' to fend for themselves in private enterprise. But it also 'should' have been the greatest recruitment drive for the unions ever.....but (i dont think) their actual numbers increased. Again, the problem was "we feel screwed, who can we turn to?". and the fact the answer wasnt the union was the bit that troubled me.

as for penalty rates. the amount of money and the amount of people the original 'cut' affect was so minimal it should never have mattered (go look up what they actually wanted to do). but the Libs let Labor dictate the message so they were ****ed.
also, go look up what penalty rates were actually introduced for back in the day. they werent done to pay a shop assistant more f they work on a saturday arvo vs a saturday morning. we live in a 7 day economy. in the same way you shouldnt get slugged extra if you buy your groceries, petrol or coffee on a saturday, we dont need to pay those people more for being there.

then, after all this, go look what Shorten actually did to a bunch of the same people in a CBA when he was boss of the union. he scuttled penalty rates in favour of a better flat rate. i totally agreed with this approach, it made things easier for the employer. but history will show that Bill Shorten was the one that 'actually' cut penalty rates for massive amount of people. but somehow he was always looked upon as a saviour.

again, good to see you back SB. you've always been one of the real ones.

[Skirt Boy]

again, good to see you back SB. you've always been one of the real ones.

Personally I actually think there are certain jobs where the minimum wage is just way too high. These are the jobs for the high school kids/uni students, stay at home parents and pensioners wanting a top up. These are not the type of jobs that you would expect to be buying a house with or renting in Cooks Hill. And I say this as a fairly hardcore communist type of guy. Yet if you go onto Seek. Just have a look at the skills/experience/qualifications that are now needed. It's ****ing insane. In Germany checkout people who either really young students or old pensioners. Go to your local supermarket and they are all middle ages.

The problem is. Thanks to a number of reasons. Cost of living has required minimum wage to sky rocket.

I love the comment "You have your own business. Must be doing alright" hahaha yeah righto ****.

So yeah. We need to fix the expectations that certain jobs are a solid meal ticket to success when they are nothing of the kind basically.

[plague]

Yet if you go onto Seek. Just have a look at the skills/experience/qualifications that are now needed.


totally agree. my theory is that we live in a world now where bosses arent actually in charge. if they see a resume with all the boxes ticked they can cover their ass by saying "well, they are qualified", where as in the olden days you would have had a person in charge actually say "you know, this person is the best for the job so im hiring them". the corporate world is now about box ticking and ass covering. there is no innovation, or free thinking. its ****ing sad, but it also shouldnt surprise anyone when the real business leaders are doofus' with big ideas and big balls (or the female equivalent).



I love the comment "You have your own business. Must be doing alright" hahaha yeah righto ****.
wait, who said that? i didnt say that. because its not ever really true at all is it.

[Skirt Boy]

totally agree. my theory is that we live in a world now where bosses arent actually in charge. if they see a resume with all the boxes ticked they can cover their ass by saying "well, they are qualified", where as in the olden days you would have had a person in charge actually say "you know, this person is the best for the job so im hiring them". the corporate world is now about box ticking and ass covering. there is no innovation, or free thinking. its ****ing sad, but it also shouldnt surprise anyone when the real business leaders are doofus' with big ideas and big balls (or the female equivalent).


wait, who said that? i didnt say that. because its not ever really true at all is it.


Yep. Totally ****ed. A lot of the qualifications should be done on the job as well. Expecting a young person to fork out a fwe thousand just to get a shitkickers job on a construction site is ****ing stupid.

Oh yeah hahaha was supposed to be a longer post. The comment came up by a mate a few weeks ago.

[The Dunster]

Personally I actually think there are certain jobs where the minimum wage is just way too high. These are the jobs for the high school kids/uni students, stay at home parents and pensioners wanting a top up. These are not the type of jobs that you would expect to be buying a house with or renting in Cooks Hill. And I say this as a fairly hardcore communist type of guy. Yet if you go onto Seek. Just have a look at the skills/experience/qualifications that are now needed. It's ****ing insane. In Germany checkout people who either really young students or old pensioners. Go to your local supermarket and they are all middle ages.

The problem is. Thanks to a number of reasons. Cost of living has required minimum wage to sky rocket.

I love the comment "You have your own business. Must be doing alright" hahaha yeah righto ****.

So yeah. We need to fix the expectations that certain jobs are a solid meal ticket to success when they are nothing of the kind basically.

Labour Queuing is the reason for the increase in skills / experience required - it's got absolutely nothing to do with a person's ability to do the job.
Minimum wage has been rising slower than the profit share of income for a very long time. So it's a stretch to call the minimum wage too high.
Studies have been fairly conclusive in showing that the lowest paying occupations are in fact undervalued more so than over.
Some very highly paid occupations are indeed excessively overvalued - simply because of the countervailing power of those in the industry - Finance/Banking / Insurance the main suspects.
Then you have small business who basically get abused by workers wanting more money and large companies who though inefficient have enough market power to destroy the smaller businesses using predatory pricing, poaching talent, or simply acquiring / absorbing them.

It's a massive shit show and my only conclusion is I have no idea how to fix it. I just try to find a position for myself with the right balance of risk / reward. I think it's really all any of us can do.

[plague]

Israel Folau now begging for donations to fund his legal fight against ARU.
What a world we live in.

Im not sure even Izzy will want some of the 'support' that is gonna come his way now.

[The Dunster]

Israel Folau now begging for donations to fund his legal fight against ARU.
What a world we live in.

Im not sure even Izzy will want some of the 'support' that is gonna come his way now.

He apparently turned down a $1million settlement offered to him by the ARU.

Poor blokes getting absolutely shithouse advice from his crew.

[plague]

He apparently turned down a $1million settlement offered to him by the ARU.

Poor blokes getting absolutely shithouse advice from his crew.

oh, you think when Australias version of Tommy Robinson turns up with a cheque that Izzys gonna be ok being in the photo?

buddy has put himself in this hole. I for one, am enjoying it immensely.

[The Dunster]

oh, you think when Australias version of Tommy Robinson turns up with a cheque that Izzys gonna be ok being in the photo?

buddy has put himself in this hole. I for one, am enjoying it immensely.

Absolutely nothing to do with my comment - I think I misread yours as I didn't know about the other support being so dire - I was thinking only in terms of advice from his family, friends and church.

[plague]

Absolutely nothing to do with my comment. I was commenting on the ARU offer only.

No that was my point too.
Why the hell is he groveling for money? Those same people who told him to turn down the million are telling him to slide in with all the other bigots handing over their cheques.

None of this, from day one, has been thought through.

Legit though, judging from his comments and just how much he believes in God, that dude will listen to anyone.

[plague]

The other one that has def tickled my fancybone over the past few weeks (sorry ive been away from the world and just catching up).
This whole John Setka thing. Whoo boy.
Here is a repeat convicted criminal, as in dozens of convictions.
But his whole life he has skated, and controls a ****ing federal political party.
but 'maybe' be (lets face it, slightly) critical of the wrong person, and you're out.
it made all of them, Albo included look like fools. and you think hes gonna walk away from all that power?
bahhahahaah. this is gonna be one hell of a shitstorm, and id still back Setka to win it.
think about it, a ****ing repeat criminal and a bloke who is the face of the worst of our labour movement, and he cant be touched, not even by the top of our political spectrum.
thats just wild man.

[plague]

Speaking to Alan Jones on Radio 2GB on Friday morning, Folau said he did not mean to offend people with his homophobic posts.

'From my perspective this comes from a place of love... so they can repent if they chose to and turn away from that and can go to heaven.'

yeah im pretty convinced that this bloke is a bit slow.

[Skirt Boy]

yeah im pretty convinced that this bloke is a bit slow.

Yep. What he said has no place in today's society. I don't wish the guy ill will though. I sincerely hope he learns from it. We have all said things that are problematic. It's human nature. I've said shocking things. Even on this Foz.

[plague]

Yep. What he said has no place in today's society. I don't wish the guy ill will though. I sincerely hope he learns from it. We have all said things that are problematic. It's human nature. I've said shocking things. Even on this Foz.

oh its not even the homophobic stuff that makes me think hes a bit off.

its this insistence on the existence of a God like creature and a Devil like being that weird me out.
Im all for everyone having their own boogie and honestly admire people that find inner peace through a belief in a movement or church, but even the most fervent churchie i know doesnt actually think theres a big bearded dude up in the clouds.


but this guy comes across as thinking there are actual pearly gates up there in the clouds and a big cave under the earth full of fire and people who skip shouts at the pub.

thats just another level of bizarre.

and the fact hes trying to 'help' all the gays by letting them know what will happen if they dont jump to his side of the fence, and doesnt think any of this is offensive.

its all a bit much for me.

[Skirt Boy]

Oh for sure I agree 100%

I'm in the camp where we should instead of being outraged. Explain to somebody why their words are upsetting and educate them. Be nice too each other...........Except Coastie, Liverpool and Arsenal fans **** those guys.

[The Dunster]

oh its not even the homophobic stuff that makes me think hes a bit off.

its this insistence on the existence of a God like creature and a Devil like being that weird me out.
Im all for everyone having their own boogie and honestly admire people that find inner peace through a belief in a movement or church, but even the most fervent churchie i know doesnt actually think theres a big bearded dude up in the clouds.


but this guy comes across as thinking there are actual pearly gates up there in the clouds and a big cave under the earth full of fire and people who skip shouts at the pub.

thats just another level of bizarre.

and the fact hes trying to 'help' all the gays by letting them know what will happen if they dont jump to his side of the fence, and doesnt think any of this is offensive.

its all a bit much for me.

Have you read the King James Bible ? It's actually worth a read if you haven't just to get an idea of how out of context much of what Folau and other fanatics are claiming.

It's also worth noting much like Trade Unions - the bible has influenced a lot more in our lives than often realised - both good and bad.

[Jim]

its this insistence on the existence of a God like creature and a Devil like being that weird me out.
Im all for everyone having their own boogie and honestly admire people that find inner peace through a belief in a movement or church, but even the most fervent churchie i know doesnt actually think theres a big bearded dude up in the clouds.
but this guy comes across as thinking there are actual pearly gates up there in the clouds and a big cave under the earth full of fire and people who skip shouts at the pub.
thats just another level of bizarre.

and the fact hes trying to 'help' all the gays by letting them know what will happen if they dont jump to his side of the fence, and doesnt think any of this is offensive.
its all a bit much for me.

I dont think you're as liberated as you think. Any boogie can include these things and brings inner peace. If you cant accept it than bigotry is your pal. Ignore it or disagree and move on like most adults although I dont think there's much maturity around as there used to be.

I dont go for it but im ok he is. some think allah will give you virg's, not my cup but not gonna have an outrage. some believe carbon is killing the earth others that there are 5000 climate cycles going on. We have a pecking order of social agendas going on and the most protected gets the outrage over the least cared about.

If it's against the law dont do it. If it may offend some feelings bad luck. To all idolators, power to you for not giving any f***s unlike those other wangers.

[plague]

I dont think you're as liberated as you think. Any boogie can include these things and brings inner peace. If you cant accept it than bigotry is your pal. Ignore it or disagree and move on like most adults although I dont think there's much maturity around as there used to be.

oh i dont think its about being more liberated or woke than the next bloke.
as my post said, im all for people believing what they want. having beliefs in a higher power is not what im mocking.

Just like flat earthers, ill never not giggle at the thought of someone believing theres a dude up in the clouds behind a set of pearly gates and a big cave at the bottom of the earth.

you can entertain these fools, i wont.

[plague]

oh wow now it looks like the fundraising page has been shut down.
they've issued refunds to donors as it 'violates their terms of service'.

this is all getting real weird.
what terms of service got violated? because it doesnt seem like Folau was being anything but honest about it.

[The Dunster]

oh wow now it looks like the fundraising page has been shut down.
they've issued refunds to donors as it 'violates their terms of service'.

this is all getting real weird.
what terms of service got violated? because it doesnt seem like Folau was being anything but honest about it.

Folau to start a new GoFundme page to fund his appeal to Gofundme to let him have a gofundme page to fund his legal case against the ARU.:gent:

[pv4]

oh wow now it looks like the fundraising page has been shut down.
they've issued refunds to donors as it 'violates their terms of service'.

this is all getting real weird.
what terms of service got violated? because it doesnt seem like Folau was being anything but honest about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jun/24/israel-folau-donations-page-taken-down-by-gofundme-for-breaching-terms-of-service


"While we welcome GoFundMes engaging in diverse civil debate, we do not tolerate the promotion of discrimination or exclusion … Our platform exists to help people help others"

...

GoFundMe’s terms of service say it can take down funds that are “for the legal defence of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity or serious disabilities or diseases”.

[plague]

i just hope all the people getting GFM tatts on their forearms in solidarity with the new peoples champ werent the same ones picketing that cake shop that didnt want to bake a wedding cake for a certain customer.

because as much as im down with a company like GFM, or QANTAS or RU setting their standards, if we dig down just a week bit im sure theres gonna be a looooooooooooooooooooot of hypocrisy raising its head in all this.

maybe people just need to turn their celebrations down to a level 3 or 4 volume on this one.

[380]

Whats with all the hate with GFM closing it down ?. Regardless of whether one agrees with Folau's stance or not the reality is it is a GFM platform and they can choose who uses it. When you choose to use a service provided by another you are always at the mercy of there discretion.

I am sure with a little assistance Falau can have another online avenue for revenue up and running and those who feel strongly enough and agree with his stance will go to the trouble of seeking it out and re contributing or increasing there original commitment.

[plague]

Whats with all the hate with GFM closing it down ?. Regardless of whether one agrees with Folau's stance or not the reality is it is a GFM platform and they can choose who uses it. When you choose to use a service provided by another you are always at the mercy of there discretion.

I am sure with a little assistance Falau can have another online avenue for revenue up and running and those who feel strongly enough and agree with his stance will go to the trouble of seeking it out and re contributing or increasing there original commitment.

agreed, but again, they were quick to stand behind their T's and C's which was dope, but old mate Christian baker wanted to stand behind his and everyone was like "NOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPEEEEEEEE".

Then twitter has already tracked down that GFM helped raise money for Eggboy who was on charges of assault* so these watertight terms and conditions al of a sudden dont look so watertight.

again, im happy to live in a world where GFM just says "nope, no bigots, Nazis or dickheads, and we'll decide who uses out platform case by case", but we seem to be in a weird state that not 'everyone' can decide how to best run their business.



*have yet to read into it myself. was eggboy even officially charged? or was it just a page to reward him for egging a nazi?

[plague]

best ones gonna be if/when Folau just straight begs for a direct deposit and you just know one of the Big Four banks is gonna be on that appeal sheet.
Wonder if they'll go close his account down so they dont get shamed.

this is a fantastic slippery slope and im here for all of it.

[Skirt Boy]

So Adamstown. Always wondered why there was hardly any women playing there when I'm at the Bowlo.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/25/blatant-inequality-men-only-tennis-club-told-to-admit-female-members-or-close

[The Dunster]

So Adamstown. Always wondered why there was hardly any women playing there when I'm at the Bowlo.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/25/blatant-inequality-men-only-tennis-club-told-to-admit-female-members-or-close

They already have their own dedicated thread on the foz - Wanting membership at Adamstown as well is just pure greed.

[Skirt Boy]

They already have their own dedicated thread on the foz - Wanting membership at Adamstown as well is just pure greed.

You do realise it's 2019 right?

[Jetmaster]

My local Curves refuses to take my money.

[Bremsstrahlung]

We had a male locum from the UK who went to try and join Fernwood gym. They threatened to call the police because they thought he was taking the piss and he thought they were.

[plague]

So Adamstown. Always wondered why there was hardly any women playing there when I'm at the Bowlo.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/25/blatant-inequality-men-only-tennis-club-told-to-admit-female-members-or-close

this article was interesting. it seems as if there is nothing by law to force Adamstown to accept womens members. its only the council threatening to cancel the lease if they dont.

so they can still be exclusionary if they want, as long as the landlord dont care.

id love to see the current members all poo pooing the idea of letting chicks in. can only imagine they all look kind of the same..........

[Jim]

this article was interesting. it seems as if there is nothing by law to force Adamstown to accept womens members. its only the council threatening to cancel the lease if they dont.

so they can still be exclusionary if they want, as long as the landlord dont care.

id love to see the current members all poo pooing the idea of letting chicks in. can only imagine they all look kind of the same..........

Probably a good way to talk about health issues and getting away from the mrs without getting tanked at the pub.

But all men are assholes anyway so why not have a cry.

[pv4]

My local Curves refuses to take my money.

I would also like to point out how unwelcome I was at my first childs "Mothers Group" meeting when my mrs couldn't go but we still wanted our little one to socialize and for us to learn all the parenting hacks on offer still. Or the death stares I get when I use the parents room at a Westfield.

It would be interesting with this tennis club that council have said it breaches their rules, yet I wonder how other female-only services don't. Seems like an interesting precedent to set here. I also wonder when they will target any Mens Sheds?

[Frodo]

Maybe we should rename this the "insecurities thread"? Why the hell would anyone on here care about a tennis club giving women memberships? They already played there, they just weren't allowed to be members. Literally the only change is the rate they pay for the courts.

[plague]

Literally the only change is the rate they pay for the courts.

but you'd be ok with them doing the same for indigenous people, or wogs, or maybe charge the cripples extra?

which bits are we all ok with here I'm getting confused.

[plague]

outrage aside im still perplexed as to who exactly are these people that feel the need to have their little tennis club that wont allow the women folk in?
what generation is this? where did we find these people?

i went to a wedding at the 'Newcastle Club' one time and could not get over how much people fawned over being 'allowed' in there.
the family whos wedding it was admittedly were a bunch of A-grade wankers. but geez, i just couldnt find the appeal in being a part of a group of exclusionary toss pots who felt some sort of superiority over everyone else.

maybe some people get off on that, but wow, it made me giggle.

[plague]

Or the death stares I get when I use the parents room at a Westfield.


yeah but walking in there with a deck chair and a 6 pack is prob gonna earn you some funny looks mate.

[pv4]

yeah but walking in there with a deck chair and a 6 pack is prob gonna earn you some funny looks mate.

Stop trying to restrict my freedom of religion m8

[The Dunster]

I find it interesting that we restrict people on economic grounds today from events / places that were essentially either free or very affordable in the past.
I don't see any opposition about that - but when it comes to restrictions because of race or gender people are horrified.

[Frodo]

but you'd be ok with them doing the same for indigenous people, or wogs, or maybe charge the cripples extra?

which bits are we all ok with here I'm getting confused.

I may have worded myself poorly. I'm saying it's ridiculous to complian about the women wanting to be able to become members. Women can already play tennis there, they just had to pay more for no reason.

[380]

outrage aside im still perplexed as to who exactly are these people that feel the need to have their little tennis club that wont allow the women folk in?
what generation is this? where did we find these people?

i went to a wedding at the 'Newcastle Club' one time and could not get over how much people fawned over being 'allowed' in there.
the family whos wedding it was admittedly were a bunch of A-grade wankers. but geez, i just couldnt find the appeal in being a part of a group of exclusionary toss pots who felt some sort of superiority over everyone else.

maybe some people get off on that, but wow, it made me giggle.

Funny you mention races, i went to a venue once that tried to stop me from entering an area to go say g'day for a shortwhile to some friends and was initially denied access til i reminded them the section they were in was built from funds allocated from the racecourse development funds ( public money ) and duly allowed to proceed.

[pv4]

It will be interesting to see how this whole Christian Lobby move to host Folau's fundraiser goes

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/what-will-the-acl-do-with-the-excess-money-raised-for-israel-folau/news-story/864d07f1417c5dd58e5ebed65e3c82ca


The Christian Lobby is a registered charity, which means it pays no tax and receives other financial benefits. For example, Visa, MasterCard and American Express all give charities interchange fees of 0 per cent.

This morning Nine newspapers reported “a number of complainants” had raised concerns with the ACNC over the Christian Lobby’s efforts to help Folau.

“The ACNC can investigate concerns that a charity has breached the ACNC Act or the Governance Standards,” the ACNC said in response.

“This may include not pursuing its charitable purpose, not operating in a not-for-profit manner, or providing private benefits to members.”

[plague]

I find it interesting that we restrict people on economic grounds today from events / places that were essentially either free or very affordable in the past.
I don't see any opposition about that - but when it comes to restrictions because of race or gender people are horrified.

huh.
you wanna purposely hang out with poor people?

what sort of weirdo are you?

[plague]

It will be interesting to see how this whole Christian Lobby move to host Folau's fundraiser goes



another interesting angle is the lack of union involvement and solidarity here.

we just had a national campaign built on scare tactics because one small percentage of the workforce might lose one small percentage of penalty rates on one days wages.

but probably the biggest workplace disagreement in recent times?

where are the comrades now?



crickets.

[The Dunster]

another interesting angle is the lack of union involvement and solidarity here.

we just had a national campaign built on scare tactics because one small percentage of the workforce might lose one small percentage of penalty rates on one days wages.

but probably the biggest workplace disagreement in recent times?

where are the comrades now?



crickets.

The case of penalty rates is one of General Equilibrium as it not only impacts upon the workers wages but also on their spending as well. The answer in the past has been through financial engineering, namely easy credit to fill the spending gap. But with household balance sheets in such a terrible state that's not as simple as it once was. People just might lower their consumption spending - and in an economy that's essentially fueled by consumption things can get ugly really fast.

[Skirt Boy]

huh.
you wanna purposely hang out with poor people?

what sort of weirdo are you?

What's wrong with poor people?

Not all of us are unhinged.

[plague]

The case of penalty rates is one of General Equilibrium as it not only impacts upon the workers wages but also on their spending as well. The answer in the past has been through financial engineering, namely easy credit to fill the spending gap. But with household balance sheets in such a terrible state that's not as simple as it once was. People just might lower their consumption spending - and in an economy that's essentially fueled by consumption things can get ugly really fast.

nah, its not about that at all.

its about whenever a 'werker' is dudded by the big evil corporations the usual suspects are out there siding with the great unwashed.

but this time, it seems Folau is the first ever person in the country sacked for the right reason.

amazing coincidence.

[The Dunster]

nah, its not about that at all.

its about whenever a 'werker' is dudded by the big evil corporations the usual suspects are out there siding with the great unwashed.

but this time, it seems Folau is the first ever person in the country sacked for the right reason.

amazing coincidence.

If he sold even a quarter of his property holdings he'd never need to work another day in his life. Unfortunately, he's trying to test the camel through the eye of a needle theory with his god.

That's why he's got no support.

[plague]

If he sold even a quarter of his property holdings he'd never need to work another day in his life. Unfortunately, he's trying to test the camel through the eye of a needle theory with his god.

That's why he's got no support.

Isn't he already over a million worth of donations?

I'd call that plenty of support.

Again, if suckers are gonna give a rich man more money then that says more about the suckers than Folau.

I'm sure he ain't getting a cent of my cash though.

[The Dunster]

Isn't he already over a million worth of donations?

I'd call that plenty of support.

Again, if suckers are gonna give a rich man more money then that says more about the suckers than Folau.

I'm sure he ain't getting a cent of my cash though.

As of this morning $1.5m I think.

I mean't support from the "usual suspects" not the Sky Santa Appreciation Club". They have been throwing money at ridiculous causes for over 1000 years.