The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[plague]

at least hockey's dead.


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[plague]

everyones already claiming Big Mal has got it.

all hail.

This means the downfall of Shorten too, this is a win win for the nation.

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[GazFish35]

https://www.facebook.com/NationalTroubleMakersUnion/videos/1498147167165054/

[snake]

between 8 and 9 according to sky news

still hasn't started, ffs

[snake]

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is that eric abetz's nan?

[belchardo]

meeting scheduled for 9:15pm. box seen walking past the camera.

might be over by midnight.

[belchardo]

is that eric abetz's nan?

nah, leyonhjelm's mum.

[plague]

9.15 the meeting starts.

gotta say though, that Peter Van Onselen is a proper cock. The Sky team is having a gay old time and he's there just flinging shit on the wall screaming "look at me look at me".

wanker.

[snake]

stating no speeches, straight down and dirty

should have an answet by 9.45

[belchardo]

disappointed by the lack of fancy graphics. ABC need to lift their game.

[plague]

richo saying if its clear Abbott won't win it won't go to the vote.
apparently it will 'save face' for the party if he gets to fall on his sword and announce it.


yeah right, that'll help.

[GazFish35]

Saw Abbott and hockey give their response to the spill.

They look like they're shitting themselves.


**** me Aussie politics is pathetic.
Hope turnbull wins, calls an election, labour boot shorten and we all move on from this tit for tat bullshit, and either side just start running the country instead of just telling us how bad the other mob are.

Wake me up when it's over.

[belchardo]

just get on with it. want to go to bed.

[boz-monaut]

is that eric abetz's nan?the difference between Maria and Abetz's nan is that Maria fled the Nazis while Abetz nan slaughtered Jews and stole their gold teeth

[hawk]

carrrrrn

[belchardo]

**** off tony, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[snake]

not as bad as labor

[snake]

the difference between Maria and Abetz's nan is that Maria fled the Nazis while Abetz nan slaughtered Jews and stole their gold teeth

made a locomotive out of them too, i hear

[plague]

Shorten just pooped his pants a little.

[plague]

Blokes saying Abbott is now the second shortest serving PM in Oz's history behind a bloke who went for a swim but never came back.


That's not good is it?

[snake]

Blokes saying Abbott is now the second shortest serving PM in Oz's history behind a bloke who went for a swim but never came back.


That's not good is it?

what is good for straya is what is good now. he sewed the shitstorm that is coming home to harvest.

am hearing he won't get the full pm pension due to being a gigantic shit ****. this is good. however, will clearly be on a board of a resource company or similar within 12 months earning a squillion. this is bad.

[plague]

does anyone have any intel on Turnbulls daughters?

[plague]

what is good for straya is what is good now. he sewed the shitstorm that is coming home to harvest.

am hearing he won't get the full pm pension due to being a gigantic shit ****. this is good. however, will clearly be on a board of a resource company or similar within 12 months earning a squillion. this is bad.

James Packers Casino cartel is a great landing spot for pollies who have worn out their welcome.
Legit though they should make him indigenous affairs minister.

[snake]

does anyone have any intel on Turnbulls daughters?

http://www.brw.com.au/p/leadership/liberal_party_will_never_have_quotas_6h7y93N5D0Mkn ShKjUGE0K

daisy

meh

elbows too pointy

[snake]

Shorten just pooped his pants a little.
he is an abortion.

[snake]

James Packers Casino cartel is a great landing spot for pollies who have worn out their welcome.
Legit though they should make him indigenous affairs minister.

if only con constantine's casino got a leg up. the good that could have been done. srsly, newy out of nsw.

[q-money]

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daisy

meh

elbows too pointy

i met her once (have a 5/10 story about this i'll tell you one day, el snake, you'll larf).

she is actually quite a lovely person. lucy is also very pleasant, although a fearsome ballbreaker when it comes to the politics.

anyway do you reckon the people of straya would vote in a plibersek/albo (or vice versa) government over a turnbull/bishop one? you'd have to be dreamin' if you think they would

[plague]

i met her once (have a 5/10 story about this i'll tell you one day, el snake, you'll larf).

she is actually quite a lovely person. lucy is also very pleasant, although a fearsome ballbreaker when it comes to the politics.

anyway do you reckon the people of straya would vote in a plibersek/albo (or vice versa) government over a turnbull/bishop one? you'd have to be dreamin' if you think they would

Wasn't Lucy a mayor in Sydney or a state rep or something?

Agree with the plib/albo combo. big Mal and Jules have them covered, and if they install Big Scotty Moz as treasurer then that's a pretty formidable front 3.

[Blackmac79]

The most interesting thing I found was that this is now bishops 4th or 5th Leader, and she has maintained deputy.

She must be one fearsome woman.

[plague]

The most interesting thing I found was that this is now bishops 4th or 5th Leader, and she has maintained deputy.

She must be one fearsome woman.

Yeah whilst you def need to be a certain type of prick to survive in politics the word yesterday was that the back bench kept whinging to Bishop and she knew Turnbull was up to something so she at least had the decency to go to Abbott and give him the chance to sort it out. Abbott then offered up the head of Hockey but it was too late.

[The Dunster]

Turnbull is not interested in winning the next election. His time as PM will be used to do favours for his plutocrat mates.

He still has close ties with Goldman Sachs and for anyone with even the most basic understanding of the GFC that's not a good thing.

HE was also neck deep in the poo when HIH collapsed.

Dark days ahead for most of us - but happy days indeed for the plutocrats.

[boz-monaut]

good times for reptilian humanoids too

[plague]

Turnbull is not interested in winning the next election. His time as PM will be used to do favours for his plutocrat mates.


You really think that a bloke worth a reported $60-$120m is gonna go through all this just to be someone's fuqboy?

Nah, I ain't buying it.

[The Dunster]

You really think that a bloke worth a reported $60-$120m is gonna go through all this just to be someone's fuqboy?

Nah, I ain't buying it.

Turnbull was Packers bitch for many years. He then moved on to become a Goldman Sachs lap dog.

His wealth while great in your eyes is a piss in the ocean compared to what Goldman Sachs are valued at.

Make no mistake, Turnbull will be pushing hard to establish a Carbon Emissions derivatives trading scheme in Australia - and he will be using Goldman Sachs to set it up.

They will make a lot of money for very little effort.

If he fails to make good for his masters they will kick him to the curb.

[plague]

So what's your thoughts on a Trump/Clive Palmer type character running for the top job?

Good or bad?

[plague]

Turnbull was Packers bitch for many years. He then moved on to become a Goldman Sachs lap dog.

His wealth while great in your eyes is a piss in the ocean compared to what Goldman Sachs are valued at.

Make no mistake, Turnbull will be pushing hard to establish a Carbon Emissions derivatives trading scheme in Australia - and he will be using Goldman Sachs to set it up.

They will make a lot of money for very little effort.

If he fails to make good for his masters they will kick him to the curb.

Yeah but isn't politics like 2 degrees of separation from pretty much every big business/union/former pollie anyway.

He could use any financial institution and there'd be links to his personal affairs, as would most Libs and prob a lot of Labor. Same as Shorten doing anything with industrial relations, it's always "Bhah he's looking after his union mates derp derp".

Not sure what he's supposed to do in that situation.

Plus the narrative on Mal is how he stared down the British govt and handed their asses to him over that spy case. I'd say he made a lot of money out of Kerry Packer, not sure who exactly wins in that situation but there didn't seem to be any losers.

When I looked up Packers 'bitch' in the dictionary there was a photo of Mark Arbib and Carl Bitar there.

[The Dunster]

Yeah but isn't politics like 2 degrees of separation from pretty much every big business/union/former pollie anyway.

He could use any financial institution and there'd be links to his personal affairs, as would most Libs and prob a lot of Labor. Same as Shorten doing anything with industrial relations, it's always "Bhah he's looking after his union mates derp derp".

Not sure what he's supposed to do in that situation.

Plus the narrative on Mal is how he stared down the British govt and handed their asses to him over that spy case. I'd say he made a lot of money out of Kerry Packer, not sure who exactly wins in that situation but there didn't seem to be any losers.

When I looked up Packers 'bitch' in the dictionary there was a photo of Mark Arbib and Carl Bitar there.

If you regard GS as "any financial institution" then your business experience is nickel and dime shit at best. GS don't deal with governments they own them.

[The Dunster]

So what's your thoughts on a Trump/Clive Palmer type character running for the top job?

Good or bad?

Not a problem if you want to run the world down the shitter.

[plague]

If you regard GS as "any financial institution" then your business experience is nickel and dime shit at best. GS don't deal with governments they own them.

I'm always nice to you.
Please drop the condescending crap.
You know exactly what I meant.

[The Dunster]

I'm always nice to you.
Please drop the condescending crap.
You know exactly what I meant.

It's no different to treating everyone with a degree as homogenous which you have done on multiple occasions. Your comparison was silly to say the least given Bill Shorten has less connections than my local Fruit and Vege shop.


He could use any financial institution and there'd be links to his personal affairs, as would most Libs and prob a lot of Labor. Same as Shorten doing anything with industrial relations, it's always "Bhah he's looking after his union mates derp derp".

GS are not just any company. They have been around for over 100 years and in that time they have been very influential on how monetary policy is conducted in many countries.
Not only that, but there are also other things like transfer pricing which you may or may not understand. Businesses like GS, EY, and PWC to a much lesser extent specialise in such practices. For them to be successful they must either capture a regulator or install their own man as a regulator. [ Turnbull is their man - he doesn't need to be captured because he's one of them already].
Rather than make these types of business accountable for their actions governments have enabled LLR policies to bail them out when bubbles burst.
As such, the playing field is unfair because they can enter into very high risk investments knowing that they will ALWAYS BE BAILED OUT by the LLR policies of the Central Bank.
It's very easy to obey the law when the laws are customised to suit your business practices and it's even easier when you are stamped as Too Big to Fail.
The trend will continue under Turnbull - although given how sympathetic he is to their cause I would suggest it will happen in a much more rapid fashion.
The rules will be changed to better accommodate the plutocrats and we [ meaning everyone else] will be left to fight over the crumbs.

It's pointless even voting with this shit happening.

[parksey]

what are you even talking about

[The Dunster]

what are you even talking about

Plutocracy. Which is the system that replaced capitalism around 40 years ago.
Noam Chomsky would be a good place to start if you were interested.
Or if you are feeling historic George Orwell who had a rather good grasp of things well before he had any right to.

[boz-monaut]

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[q-money]

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[GazFish35]

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[The Dunster]

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[snake]

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:rof:

[The Special One]

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Yes? How can I help you Mr Fish? Or perhaps it is more how can you help me...I understand you used to be a Goal Keeper?

[plague]

what are you even talking about

Let me help.
Dunster (a well educated and experienced man) subscribes to the theory that 99% of the worlds money is controlled by 4 families (well it used to be 4 but now it's out to 8 or 13 depending on who you believe). You might be familiar with some of the names like Rockafeller, Rothschild and Hawk. These people and their network are the 'plutocrats' that he refers to. These plutocrats with thier BIG CORPORATIONS and GOVERNMENT STOOGES make slaves like us work all day then take all our PROFITS FOR THEMSELVES.
A lot of people believe this to be true and there are countless studies and papers dedicated to proving this.
There are also a lot of people who believe that jet fuel can't melt steel beams, Lee Harvey Oswsld can't fire 3 shots in 6 seconds, and that Mark Bridge scored the winner for the Jets in the grand final. There are also countless stories and papers dedicated to these issues.

The problem is that that there is a difference between Dunster telling us this IS how the world works rather than Dunster saying this is how HE BELIEVES this is the way the world works.

Now, I love plutocrats as much as the next bloke, he's one of my favourite Disney characters, but the point that I'm trying to get across to him is this:

I.dont.care.

I really don't, and here's why. As the son of a boat person I've been lucky enough to be born and raised in this country. I've managed to carve out a lovely life for myself (with no plutocrat mates) so that when I want something I can generally go get it.

If I want to go to a jets game or a World Cup or a casino or a drug dealer, once I hand my money over I don't care where it goes. I've got my lap dance/gram of coke/car so who cares.

Now, having said that we need people of Dunsters ilk in our midst to help us all #STAYWOKE so that the EVIL CORPORATIONS stay on notice. Skynet is coming sheeple, believe that.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to Vegas for a week to spend some of my hard earned on the aforementioned pleasures. I sure hope the pilot isn't too distracted by the reflections from the tin foil hats from my fellow earthlings. I won't get to read the undoubted dismissive condescending backhanded reply but I'll try to get to it once I get back.

See you for the season opener lads.

Ta,
Plague.


(Oh and bow at the alter of Chomsky all you wish but he hates Taylor Swift and Prince so he has no real idea what's up with what's up).

[furns]

Let me help.
Dunster (a well educated and experienced man) subscribes to the theory that 99% of the worlds money is controlled by 4 families (well it used to be 4 but now it's out to 8 or 13 depending on who you believe). You might be familiar with some of the names like Rockafeller, Rothschild and Hawk. These people and their network are the 'plutocrats' that he refers to. These plutocrats with thier BIG CORPORATIONS and GOVERNMENT STOOGES make slaves like us work all day then take all our PROFITS FOR THEMSELVES.
A lot of people believe this to be true and there are countless studies and papers dedicated to proving this.
There are also a lot of people who believe that jet fuel can't melt steel beams, Lee Harvey Oswsld can't fire 3 shots in 6 seconds, and that Mark Bridge scored the winner for the Jets in the grand final. There are also countless stories and papers dedicated to these issues.

The problem is that that there is a difference between Dunster telling us this IS how the world works rather than Dunster saying this is how HE BELIEVES this is the way the world works.

Now, I love plutocrats as much as the next bloke, he's one of my favourite Disney characters, but the point that I'm trying to get across to him is this:

I.dont.care.

I really don't, and here's why. As the son of a boat person I've been lucky enough to be born and raised in this country. I've managed to carve out a lovely life for myself (with no plutocrat mates) so that when I want something I can generally go get it.

If I want to go to a jets game or a World Cup or a casino or a drug dealer, once I hand my money over I don't care where it goes. I've got my lap dance/gram of coke/car so who cares.

Now, having said that we need people of Dunsters ilk in our midst to help us all #STAYWOKE so that the EVIL CORPORATIONS stay on notice. Skynet is coming sheeple, believe that.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to Vegas for a week to spend some of my hard earned on the aforementioned pleasures. I sure hope the pilot isn't too distracted by the reflections from the tin foil hats from my fellow earthlings. I won't get to read the undoubted dismissive condescending backhanded reply but I'll try to get to it once I get back.

See you for the season opener lads.

Ta,
Plague.


(Oh and bow at the alter of Chomsky all you wish but he hates Taylor Swift and Prince so he has no real idea what's up with what's up).

quality rant

would read again

[The Dunster]

Let me help.
Dunster (a well educated and experienced man) subscribes to the theory that 99% of the worlds money is controlled by 4 families (well it used to be 4 but now it's out to 8 or 13 depending on who you believe). You might be familiar with some of the names like Rockafeller, Rothschild and Hawk. These people and their network are the 'plutocrats' that he refers to. These plutocrats with thier BIG CORPORATIONS and GOVERNMENT STOOGES make slaves like us work all day then take all our PROFITS FOR THEMSELVES.
A lot of people believe this to be true and there are countless studies and papers dedicated to proving this.
There are also a lot of people who believe that jet fuel can't melt steel beams, Lee Harvey Oswsld can't fire 3 shots in 6 seconds, and that Mark Bridge scored the winner for the Jets in the grand final. There are also countless stories and papers dedicated to these issues.

The problem is that that there is a difference between Dunster telling us this IS how the world works rather than Dunster saying this is how HE BELIEVES this is the way the world works.

Now, I love plutocrats as much as the next bloke, he's one of my favourite Disney characters, but the point that I'm trying to get across to him is this:

I.dont.care.

I really don't, and here's why. As the son of a boat person I've been lucky enough to be born and raised in this country. I've managed to carve out a lovely life for myself (with no plutocrat mates) so that when I want something I can generally go get it.

If I want to go to a jets game or a World Cup or a casino or a drug dealer, once I hand my money over I don't care where it goes. I've got my lap dance/gram of coke/car so who cares.

Now, having said that we need people of Dunsters ilk in our midst to help us all #STAYWOKE so that the EVIL CORPORATIONS stay on notice. Skynet is coming sheeple, believe that.

Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to Vegas for a week to spend some of my hard earned on the aforementioned pleasures. I sure hope the pilot isn't too distracted by the reflections from the tin foil hats from my fellow earthlings. I won't get to read the undoubted dismissive condescending backhanded reply but I'll try to get to it once I get back.

See you for the season opener lads.

Ta,
Plague.


(Oh and bow at the alter of Chomsky all you wish but he hates Taylor Swift and Prince so he has no real idea what's up with what's up).

Five star post - loving it. Great work.

[The Dunster]

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He's a long shot at best to ever get the job but wouldn't it be nice ?

If only we had someone in Australia with similar values.

[The Dunster]

1152

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According to Plague my posts are based on opinion not facts.

People can look at the attached graphs and make up their own minds about whether or not this is true.

[The Dunster]

Now back to regular postings.

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[plague]

Five star post - loving it. Great work.
And this is exactly why I love the Dunster.
He gets shouted 1st beer.
Member gets the 28th.

[The Dunster]

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Fidel Castro wearing both a GMT Master and a Submariner.

Absolute ****ing disgrace why isn't he wearing a Casio G-Shock ffs.

[plague]

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According to Plague my posts are based on opinion not facts.

People can look at the attached graphs and make up their own minds about whether or not this is true.

Gotta love being the beneficiary of that top line.

[plague]

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He's a long shot at best to ever get the job but wouldn't it be nice ?

If only we had someone in Australia with similar values.

Actually away from our squabbles is there anyone in Oz who is close to this line of thinking?
Even the greens/labor in Newy have turned into a bunch of lilly liveried tarts.


Thoughts?

[The Dunster]

Is there anyone in Oz who is close to this line of thinking?
Even the greens/labor in Newy have turned into a bunch of lilly liveried tarts.

Thoughts?
A lot of people would consider Nick Xenophon to be a progressive - but on a purely technical level he still thinks in terms of budget constraints, and while he recognises income distribution to be an issue, he incorrectly thinks that taxing the rich is the solution.
The real issues are about the construction of the banking and finance sectors and how government policies accommodate their very existence when in a purely free market, few if any of these so called wealth creating activities / schemes would even exist.
This is the problem. It's not how much money the plutocrats have it's about how little if anything of what they actually do benefits society in general.

[joel31]

Interested to hear the members thoughts on water on mars

[MFKS]

Interested to hear the members thoughts on water on mars

Considering I think the moon landing is nothing but lies and bullshit anyway.

It should be pretty obvious if I believe NASA can't get to the moon there is no way they can get to mars

[plague]

Interested to hear the members thoughts on water on mars

Obvs God just left the sprinklers on.

NBD.
Carry on etc etc.

[The Dunster]

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[hawk]

Q and A dribblers would love Bernie

[belchardo]

anybody else think "sky muster" should be the title of the next bond movie?

[The Dunster]

anybody else think "sky muster" should be the title of the next bond movie?

The Bond franchise died when Cubby Broccoli's step son and daughter took over.

Bond driving a BMW was absolutely unforgivable.

[plague]

Bond driving a BMW was absolutely unforgivable.

this is very correct and true

[snake]

Considering I think the moon landing is nothing but lies and bullshit anyway.

It should be pretty obvious if I believe NASA can't get to the moon there is no way they can get to mars

just because the member can't solve DE's then no-one can :rof:

[northern_swan]

Rail line officially closed enabling the Government of NSW to get on with light rail. Great result.

[boz-monaut]

so it went through? got a source?

the gun nut was actually making a lot of sense on 1233 this arvo

[boz-monaut]

there we go

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3423329/end-of-the-line-bill-to-close-rail-passes-upper-house/?cs=303

[boz-monaut]

Newcastle reacts to the law passing

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[hawk]

lol^

rip railway, hello new convenient light rail with heaps of car parking nearby. We will get it, right?

[boz-monaut]

the gun nut put one of the conditions that they look into expanding the network, rather than just a straight line

we need to increase density in suburban centres and connect them with light rail, basic planning stuff first

[plague]

Rail line officially closed enabling the Government of NSW to get on with light rail. Great result.

yeah I'm all for some sort of mass transit system, but the carry on from the light rail mob is off the charts.
Does anyone actually think this is going to get done within a decade (at best?). The truthers out there are acting like sods of dirt are getting turned tomorrow.

the idea is great, the implementation of the plan(and the argument) is beyond flawed.

[northern_swan]

yeah I'm all for some sort of mass transit system, but the carry on from the light rail mob is off the charts.
Does anyone actually think this is going to get done within a decade (at best?). The truthers out there are acting like sods of dirt are getting turned tomorrow.

the idea is great, the implementation of the plan(and the argument) is beyond flawed.

To be fair, the carry on from the hardcore element of both sides of the coin was off the charts. I watched the surf and turf blokes speech and he made plenty of sense. I hope his call on opening of light rail late 2017 is spot on. Subsequent stages of light rail are essential to long term success of the project, along with a fully integrated service across the different modes of transport.

[plague]

To be fair, the carry on from the hardcore element of both sides of the coin was off the charts. I watched the surf and turf blokes speech and he made plenty of sense. I hope his call on opening of light rail late 2017 is spot on. Subsequent stages of light rail are essential to long term success of the project, along with a fully integrated service across the different modes of transport.

oh i agree the Save Our Rail mob had their loonies as well.
As for 2017, mate, just go check how long it took them to repave Maitland Mall (about 200m worth) and chuck in some nice new tables to see all you need to know about the fairy tales pollies tell us as to what can be achieved.

and your last line is 100% correct but the biggest gripe seems to be why shut the existing line now when we are years off getting its replacement. just didn't make sense.

[q-money]

you should win prizes by riding the new tram

[plague]

If the rail mob ran the Jets they would read a story about David DeGea wanting to play for us in 2020 and then sack Biraz and BK now and play with no keeper for the next few years.

That's how stupid this pretend plan is.

[plague]

Lost in all this debate though was the announcement the other day that ferry stops at Honeysuckle and Carrington are looking to be added to the Stockton route.

Only a matter of time before the existing ferry is deemed too small.

You know what that means right?

[plague]

you should win prizes by riding the new tram

Needs to be DJ's on board.
Pipe in John Laws during the day, EDM at night for the kids.

Word.

[parksey]

yeah seriously, are they just planning on having one track down hunter street or what?

if they're not going to create some sort of inner city tram network the whole thing is just a massive wank and you can't help but sympathise with those who are claiming conspiracy about what's going to be built on the old train lines.

[The Dunster]

Lost in all this debate though was the announcement the other day that ferry stops at Honeysuckle and Carrington are looking to be added to the Stockton route.

Only a matter of time before the existing ferry is deemed too small.

You know what that means right?

http://rcd.typepad.com/photos/travel_2007_new_orle/2007_04_29_img_3268.jpg

[plague]

Dunster knows what's up with what's up.

[plague]

yeah seriously, are they just planning on having one track down hunter street or what?

if they're not going to create some sort of inner city tram network the whole thing is just a massive wank and you can't help but sympathise with those who are claiming conspiracy about what's going to be built on the old train lines.

Exactly.
There is no 'plan' right now.
All those people who demanded the old line be removed and celebrated so hard when it happened kind of look like a bunch of suckers right now.

[The Dunster]

I catch the train from Maitland to Hamilton most days and either grab the shuttle bus, or take a bike and ride into Newcastle from Hamilton.
For me it's a pretty neutral situation as the longer I'm on the train the more Monster Hunter 4 time I have on the Nintendo 3DS.
The protesters though got it completely wrong. They should have said nothing with respect to their protesting and simply talked the rail line up and encouraged everyone they new to use the rail network at every opportunity.
As soon as they started going against the grain they were dead in the water because they looked like children crying over a spilt ice-cream

[plague]

Yeah no doubt. But I'm hearing the counter point of old people, disabled, people with surfboards etc not having such as good a time transferring from train to bus etc and I dig that.
Agree it's total chicken egg thing that if it was so darn important then it would have been packed every day etc.

But

The biggest gripe was that people were never seemingly against the train itself, but the 'type' of train we used.

They must have legit hated it sooooo much to be all like "GET RID OF THE TRAIN"


"BUT GIVE US A DIFFERENT TRAIN"


"EVENTUALLY"


"JUST UP THE ROAD A BIT"

[plague]

Hi guys, did everyone hear the news today that we are putting together a proposal to commission a report to gather interest from the private sector about running the entire Newcastle public transport network?

Yeah if anyone is over the age of 50 and planning your funeral please don't advise your guests to catch the light rail in cause that sucker ain't getting built any time soon.

[q-money]

fkn trains ay

[parksey]

global warming will see newy underwater long before this project is even half finished

[plague]

Anyone keeping an eye on this Newcastle City Council garbage?

Are we all still cool cool with running Jeff McCloy out of town for spending his own money incorrectly?

[belchardo]

Anyone keeping an eye on this Newcastle City Council garbage?

Are we all still cool cool with running Jeff McCloy out of town for spending his own money incorrectly?

Ah yes, because excusing someone else's wrongs because somebody else is doing wrong is always a good way to go.

[plague]

Ah yes, because excusing someone else's wrongs because somebody else is doing wrong is always a good way to go.
Oh don't get me wrong that dude did the wrong thing and ain't coming back.

Yet here we have an employee sacked unfairly at the potential cost of many hundreds of thousands of dollars to ratepayers and there doesn't seem to be anywhere near the level of outrage?

Then we have the ringleader of it all telling untruths out in the public domain.

Just strikes me as a bit......odd tis all.

[sammydog]

All Newcastle Council are doing at the moment is playing straight in to the hands of the Baird Government and their amalgamation plans.

They (NCC) seem to have gone out of their way of late to show they are dysfunctional and I can see the administrators coming if only to push the amalgamation agenda.

Unfortunately,as a Lake Mac resident, I am not looking forward to amalgamating with NCC. I don't want the focus of the lake (and any funding) to be the tiny little peninsula known as the CBD.

[plague]

I think the merger will be fine. Both councils (from the business side) are run very well and have excellent financial positions.
Petty politics from councillors is the only thing standing in the way.

[hawk]

Mcloy's appointment was beyond retarded. Gouldthorpe the other turd was just a corrupt sidekick who had already raped towoomba council but someone didnt care about that. I couldnt give a sh1t anymore. Id be happy for councils to be scrapped because they cant run anything.

Whats your thoughts on local government Dunst?

[plague]

Whats your thoughts on local government Dunst?

Whoa whoa whoa at least let me go get my asbestos suit on before you unleash the big man spitting fire.

[q-money]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chYkhlCon6E

stay woke sheeple

[plague]

Attn q-man: Did you see alex jones interview trump today its like we just saw what life would be like if they just got those damn hippies if our streets and i loved it so so so very much.

[The Dunster]

I think the merger will be fine. Both councils (from the business side) are run very well and have excellent financial positions.
Petty politics from councillors is the only thing standing in the way.

Apart from John E. Kilpatrick the former Lake Macquarie Mayor I wouldn't piss on any of them.

Kilpatrick set a standard those that have followed have never ever been able to meet.

[hawk]

Apart from John E. Kilpatrick the former Lake Macquarie Mayor I wouldn't piss on any of them.

Kilpatrick set a standard those that have followed have never ever been able to meet.

his son Oyster would have been good candidate

[boz-monaut]

his son Oyster would have been good candidate

https://media.giphy.com/media/9EwnzGNjvmIG4/giphy.gif

[The Dunster]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4aV5CMSQHrQ/VUaBwx8u6_I/AAAAAAAAuEI/2bCEwOa45ow/s1600/wealthy_young_woman_eating_oyster_143335h.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/59/bd/08/59bd085d3de036f89ad7630447e78658.jpg

[plague]

So, how bout that Julian Assange horseshit ey?

[MFKS]

So, how bout that Julian Assange horseshit ey?

What about him??

The press report pretty favourably about him

What was he moaning about today that a pile of governments are responsible for him being held up in the Ecuadorian embassy for 5 years

Reality is they aren't responsible for him being there.

He chooses to hide there to avoid arrest


The only person who chooses to be there is him

If he didn't want to be there he is free to walk the streets of London if he desires

[hawk]

walkyleaks right outta there

[plague]

What about him??

The press report pretty favourably about him

What was he moaning about today that a pile of governments are responsible for him being held up in the Ecuadorian embassy for 5 years

Reality is they aren't responsible for him being there.

He chooses to hide there to avoid arrest


The only person who chooses to be there is him

If he didn't want to be there he is free to walk the streets of London if he desires
Yeah see Member it seems that the majority of rational thinking people feel this way.

Turns out though that we must be a bunch of sheeple because a group of people with access to some U.N stationary are so woke they say it's the British government that is in the wrong.

and here I was thinking that someone is just trying to avoid a rape charge.

Silly me.

[plague]

Remembering of course that if you look at your watch while a woman is speaking you are a misogynist.

Anyone got any quotes from Gillard defending the sistahood from the rape culture???

No????

Hmmm.

[The Dunster]

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/fa/10/fa1092_2535201.jpg

[plague]

****ing hell, now the Pope is wading in to the US election.

amazing.

[Couscous]

I'm seeking ethical advice. The reasonable and thoughtful views in this thread made me think this is the place to ask.

A 56-year-old lady drove her car into mine in a car park. My vehicle's nothing special: an eight-year-old hatch. No structural damage but about a square foot of scratches and paint taken off. Ditto for her car.

She was confused. I got the impression she was pretty poor. I suspect that paying the excess for my insurance would be tough for her. She'd been visiting a medical specialist.

If you were me, would you lodge a claim? My car's imperfect as it is; it has other scratches and dents.

[boz-monaut]

are the damages worth more than the excess?

consider paying the excess for her

[WolfMan]

Just to clarify, she pays her own excess. Yours is what you pay to lodge a claim as far as I understand it. Hence premiums are lower the higher your own excess.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I think Boz means couscous will pay the lady's excess. Through no obligation, just goodwill. In the hope that the excess is say $500 and damages for his car are $500+ and then + her car.

Had a incident a few years back where I gave somebody a gentle nudge at the lights. No scratches, little mark that came off with some water upon inspection. She then contacted me trying to claim that I scratched the side of her rear (just above the rear wheel) to which I replied hell no. She then said that the rear bumper panel had been slightly dislodged (which I would believe). Long story short she tried to fleece me $700. my excess was $500. I told her to get 3 more quotes, and 2 places came back at $300, $350. So just paid it.
I'm still unsure whether I caused the rear panel displacement or if that was From the rear side panel incident. I suspect I was used as a means to get it fixed, oh well.

[plague]

I'm seeking ethical advice.

I mean, I'm as cold as they come with a lot of this shit but if circumstances are as you described I wouldn't be taking a cent of that ladies money.

Shrug your shoulders, walk away and hope someone does similar for you one day.

[pv4]

Few years ago I was watching a game of local football and upon returning to my car noticed a note on the windscreen saying someone had reversed into it. There was mostly just cosmetic damages. I took the car to the smash repairers local to me and they said it'd cost $250 to fix. I rang the person who left the note and they were more than happy, and willing, to pay it for me. Easy done. Faith in humanity restored. No insurance needed.

Have you sussed out the amount it'd cost to fix your car? That's probably the major thing to do - find out how hectic cost-wise it'd run either of you guys or your insurance.

[Couscous]

are the damages worth more than the excess?

Doubt it. If I got a quick paint job, it'd be $200 or $300, I think. My excess doesn't matter as it was her fault, but her excess is probably $500 to $750 or thereabouts.


I mean, I'm as cold as they come with a lot of this shit but if circumstances are as you described I wouldn't be taking a cent of that ladies money.

Shrug your shoulders, walk away and hope someone does similar for you one day.

I agree with this. Unfortunately, my wife didn't. She told me to get insurance to sort it.

Good news is my whole front bar (chassis section) will now be replaced, which will fix some scratches and dents from other incidents. Bad news is that the old biddy will cop the excess, and her premium might suffer, too.

I definitely lost some soul points; I'll need to pay an indulgence fee to the local branch of the Catholic Church Pty Ltd.

[Couscous]

Have you sussed out the amount it'd cost to fix your car? That's probably the major thing to do - find out how hectic cost-wise it'd run either of you guys or your insurance.

Good advice but I married a hard, ruthless woman.

[plague]

I definitely lost some soul points; I'll need to pay an indulgence fee to the local branch of the Catholic Church Pty Ltd.

Just give it to the good Member.
He knows a bloke.......

[pv4]

Remind me never to borrow money off you because I'm pretty sure your Mrs would glass me if I didn't pay it back on time :rof:

Tbh I'm a little disappointed yall couldn't sort it out without getting insurances involved. I've deducted from your forum reputation solely because of your wifes harsh views :oops:

[Couscous]

I've deducted from your forum reputation solely because of your wifes harsh views :oops:

Ffs, I'm already a squillion points in the red :(

[The Dunster]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-01/new-nsw-laws-for-drivers-and-cyclists/7208934

Mike Baird - what will this sack of shit root around with next?

For a liberal he sure likes introducing plenty of new regulations.

Might be an idea if he runs at the next election as a Commie.

I

[q-money]

i always wear me stackhat on me treadly but **** me if this isn't overkill

baird can do one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQYDbbPI6DQ

[The Dunster]

http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb3894384/p4pb3894384.jpg
http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb6380520/p5pb6380520.jpg
http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb3894383/p4pb3894383.jpg

**** you Mike Baird

[q-money]

holy shit you should just hand those pictures in as your resume

[hawk]

ay? Riding furiously: $425

everyone stop peddling hard you might get a wobble

[MFKS]

Yep just more proof that this country is ****ed

Need ID to ride a pushy.

FMD

[plague]

weren't Clovers bike lanes supposed to fix this?

ebony and ivory and all that?

[The Dunster]

weren't Clovers bike lanes supposed to fix this?

ebony and ivory and all that?

MIke Baird closed em down I think

[plague]

MIke Baird closed em down I think

wheres our operative on the ground in the inner west?
q-man, where you at?

[q-money]

cycling in the inner west is a death wish anyway.

some of the city cycleways are also garbage if you ride clipless pedals as well, uphill through the west-east section of the CBD coupled with traffic lights on terrible timings, on the uphill sections every 100 metres. plus it just stops when you cross pitt street - and there's no space to ride anyway. wouldn't be so bad if people didn't have a pathological hatred of blokes riding pushies, i don't even bother in the city anymore. you just get absolutely slammed for space, not pleasant at all.

the CBD and most of the inner west just isn't a nice place to ride. it could be if they built a path with the inner west light rail (which they didn't), and in tandem with the parra rd and anzac pde metro (which they wont't)....but we are dealing with baird and his idiot mate duncan gay here. common sense doesn't always reign supreme.

[boz-monaut]

just seeing this disgusting appearance by Cardinal Pell, where he showed zero empathy for children who's life he let these paedophiles ruin, seeing our god bothering premier #casinomike implement the nanny state and attack cyclists, along with Tony Abbott rear his deluded head and show how foul a person he really is

it's made me think of these beautiful words by the one and only JC, who put it so well


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRGGbyZzuTg

[The Dunster]

Brilliant song.

Have been told that on Thursday and Friday throughout the Sydney CBD that the police were handing out fines to a shit load full of riders without bells.

I don't have a bell on any of my bikes and My Gran was Jewish so I'm glad I wasn't in the Sydney CBD on Thursday or Friday as I would have been sent straight to the shower block.

[plague]

This Trump stuff fascinates me.

[belchardo]

This Trump stuff fascinates me.

it scares me.

[hawk]

Crazy trump throwing it up the whinging minorites. rofl. insanity politicking

[plague]

it scares me.

See, there's no way him becoming President will be a 'great' thing. But exactly what are the others offering that make them any better (on both sides).

It's gone way beyond the levels of the tea party/occupy movt/Bernie sanders love fest. There are a LOT of people who are on his side, and they are either really really smart, or really really dumb.

And I'm not exactly sure which one it is.

[The Dunster]

See, there's no way him becoming President will be a 'great' thing. But exactly what are the others offering that make them any better (on both sides).

It's gone way beyond the levels of the tea party/occupy movt/Bernie sanders love fest. There are a LOT of people who are on his side, and they are either really really smart, or really really dumb.

And I'm not exactly sure which one it is.

Sanders is a good man with good people backing him. He would without a doubt be the best choice for the majority of Americans.
However I'm not an American so I'll be cheering for Trump to get in and go down in history as the fifth US President alongside Abe Lincoln, James Garfield, William McKinley, and JFK to be "retired" by a disgruntled citizen.

[belchardo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-21/malcolm-turnbull-brings-budget-forward-threatens-election/7262898

both houses recalled on April 18 to consider ABCC bill
budget moved forward 1 week to May 3

not announced, but all but confirms July 2 election in my mind.

[hawk]

Time to put the Belgian flag across social media pages as token gesture of pissweak support


http://www.theage.com.au/world/brussels-airport-blast-several-injured-after-multiple-explosions-rock-belgian-capital-20160322-gnos8q.html

[Jetmaster]

These sort of things deserve intense coverage by the media but I hate the fallout on social media afterwards by people who want be involved and become part of it.

Part of the reason for todays high stress levels is that people become too hung up about people they don't know.

[MFKS]

# IWillRideWithYou


To that Hawk

[lquiquer]

1265

[parksey]

Time to put the Belgian flag across social media pages as token gesture of pissweak support


# IWillRideWithYou


To that Hawk

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=flights+to+belgium

there you go boys

[plague]

I'd much rather people spend more time fixing the problem and addressing the real issue rather than thinking filters and hashtags are a legit substitute.

[q-money]

tell us what the real issue is plague

[plague]

tell us what the real issue is plague

Crazy people blowing shit up.

[q-money]

i'm disappointed, i was waiting for a ripper diatribe, someone surely must deliver it

[plague]

i'm disappointed, i was waiting for a ripper diatribe, someone surely must deliver it

what's the bet whoever does it lumps in a bunch of people under one umbrella but then is over on the anti Rebecca Wilson thread blowing up because all football fans have been lumped under one umbrella.

[boz-monaut]

I'll be the one to come out and say it

umbrellas are the problem here

[MFKS]

I'd much rather people spend more time fixing the problem and addressing the real issue rather than thinking filters and hashtags are a legit substitute.
So you thinking the real issue here is that the particular religion is stuck in the stone ages??

Not wanting to get us all back on religion but reality suggests that other religions can more or less coexist despite their differences

Yet we have one much publicised one who doesn't wish to coexist


To me there is a massive problem there that will never go away as it requires change from within that religion to achieve and this religion is much more set in its ways than other religions out there

[hawk]

tell us what the real issue is plague

Big chance for emaciated Gen y junkies to contribute to society. Have a real go, take on and smash the world, come home heroes, get defence housing.

Then spruik how you are boss of gen x's (they rode on the boomers tails) cmooooon!

[belchardo]

So you thinking the real issue here is that the particular religion is stuck in the stone ages??

Not wanting to get us all back on religion but reality suggests that other religions can more or less coexist despite their differences

Yet we have one much publicised one who doesn't wish to coexist


To me there is a massive problem there that will never go away as it requires change from within that religion to achieve and this religion is much more set in its ways than other religions out there

Wait, what religion are you talking about?

Bigoted people hide behind religion (any cause/trend really) and use it to justify whatever shit they are pushing.

[plague]

Wait, what religion are you talking about?

Bigoted people hide behind religion (any cause/trend really) and use it to justify whatever shit they are pushing.

i thought it was quite obvious he was talking about the inability of religion to adapt to the gay marriage issue.

[plague]

but anyway before this turns into another religion thread, Donald Trump has just announce that certain umbrellas will not be allowed in to the USA until they can work out whats going on.


#notallumbrellas

[plague]

Then spruik how you are boss of gen x's (they rode on the boomers tails) cmooooon!

hey man, gen-xer's invented grunge music and snowboarding.

[hawk]

Wait, what religion are you talking about?

Bigoted people hide behind religion (any cause/trend really) and use it to justify whatever shit they are pushing.

bigoted pricks hide within the greens too

[belchardo]

bigoted pricks hide within the greens too

Yep, agreed.

[MFKS]

Wait, what religion are you talking about?

Bigoted people hide behind religion (any cause/trend really) and use it to justify whatever shit they are pushing.
I would have thought it was pretty obvious but anyway

I would be talking about the one where they started it a while after the 2 other noted Abrahmic religions were well established and some bloke got written in as the hero

Like me making a remake of Star Wars E4 and writing myself in as the main character and relegating Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader to roles as extras.

To think that this is just the act of bigoted people hiding behind religion is such a naïve view it ain't worth discussing.
There are that many dumb ****s with no education and an inability to think for themselves who support these people morally if not physically. To call someone a bigot when they not know better or are in not in any position to think for themselves is pretty arrogantly dismissive of them

[MFKS]

i thought it was quite obvious he was talking about the inability of religion to adapt to the gay marriage issue.

Reason I couldn't give two ****s about it is to me a non issue but just some garbage dished up by leftist fools

Want a legitimate issue this country needs dealing with

You as an Australian citizen canmarry a foreign WOMAN and have children etc and be legally be recognised as man and wife by this country.

Your wife as they were born outside of this country has zero rights to come here and you can't live as a family together


You want to do this and the ****s in Canberra want to subject you if you are succesful in your application that limit their ability to work and contribute to your financial situation.

That is after the ****ers charge you a 10k application fee for the privilege of applying which is non refundable if it gets knocked back


That to me is a real issue in this country.

Not garbage like whether Adam and Steve can get married or not

[plague]

hey man, i genuinely feel sorry for anyone in that position. I've had one mate of mine go through it and another just about to start the process.
but i also feel sorry for people who can't marry the one they love.
and i also feel sorry for people who get blown up checking in for a flight.


and whether these things are done because of bigotry, outdated beliefs or just plain ignorance, it doesn't mean we can't tackle a few issues all at once.

cause don't all those people have the right to live the way they want as long as it doesn't harm others?

[MFKS]

Difference is Plague in my scenario the person's are already married

[plague]

Difference is Plague in my scenario the person's are already married

No, in your scenario you don't understand why some simple procedure involves such a long drawn out process that may or may not be resolved in your favour.
You also don't see why the people who's decision it ultimately is have such an aversion to letting 2 people who want to be together just get on with their lives.

You also don't understand that this is exactly the same issue the gays have in their lives.

[la bazzle]

****ing lol. I wonder if the member will learn anything from this










scrap that

[MFKS]

No, in your scenario you don't understand why some simple procedure involves such a long drawn out process that may or may not be resolved in your favour.
You also don't see why the people who's decision it ultimately is have such an aversion to letting 2 people who want to be together just get on with their lives.

You also don't understand that this is exactly the same issue the gays have in their lives.

You can dress it up however you like to try and make out it is the same thing

It isn't

An Australian citizen married to a foreign citizen of a different sex is being victimised financially and restricted from living the life they could by government officials

These two are legally entitled to be married under the current laws and are just being victimised by bureaucratic bullshit

Your example of two people of the same sex being prevented from being married is not even close to being the same. For a start the law doesn't recognise marriage between 2 people of the same sex

What is even more moronic is the government will at least recognise the marriage between an Aussie citizen and a foreign citizen as legitimate as long as it has been legally done in the correct manner

Then they victimise them with 10k fee for an application

Enlighten me as to what the **** the 10k is for to approve or deny the request??

Enlighten me as to why their is a pressing need to prevent Australian citizens from marrying a non Australuan citizen??

Enligthen me why their is this much scrutiny when any ****wit can buy a plane ticket here and get a tourist visa in to the country and then are free to do whatever they ****ing like??

Enlighten me as to why their is this much scrutiny on someone in this situation yet we will let any one with the cash to buy the visa anyway by offering an alternate visa for the wealthy??

Enligthen me as to why their is this much scrutiny on someone in this situation yet we accept scores of immigration that offer nothing to this country??

Don't even get me started on the cowardly treatment from our government that is only amplified more when the man and woman have children together and that is added to the equation.

No Plague it should be much simpler.
It not even a case where couple can show marriage paperwork are of reasonable character is no criminal convictions and they can show an ability to support themselves.

The thieving pricks at the government wish to profit from it by discrimination

[plague]

****ing lol. I wonder if the member will learn anything from this

Seems like that's a 'no' there Mr Bazzle.

[plague]

You can dress it up however you like to try and make out it is the same thing

It isn't

An Australian citizen married to a foreign citizen of a different sex is being victimised financially and restricted from living the life they could by government officials

These two are legally entitled to be married under the current laws and are just being victimised by bureaucratic bullshit

Your example of two people of the same sex being prevented from being married is not even close to being the same. For a start the law doesn't recognise marriage between 2 people of the same sex

What is even more moronic is the government will at least recognise the marriage between an Aussie citizen and a foreign citizen as legitimate as long as it has been legally done in the correct manner

Then they victimise them with 10k fee for an application

Enlighten me as to what the **** the 10k is for to approve or deny the request??

Enlighten me as to why their is a pressing need to prevent Australian citizens from marrying a non Australuan citizen??

Enligthen me why their is this much scrutiny when any ****wit can buy a plane ticket here and get a tourist visa in to the country and then are free to do whatever they ****ing like??

Enlighten me as to why their is this much scrutiny on someone in this situation yet we will let any one with the cash to buy the visa anyway by offering an alternate visa for the wealthy??

Enligthen me as to why their is this much scrutiny on someone in this situation yet we accept scores of immigration that offer nothing to this country??

Don't even get me started on the cowardly treatment from our government that is only amplified more when the man and woman have children together and that is added to the equation.

No Plague it should be much simpler.
It not even a case where couple can show marriage paperwork are of reasonable character is no criminal convictions and they can show an ability to support themselves.

The thieving pricks at the government wish to profit from it by discrimination

So what you're saying is that government bureaucracy is preventing you from fulfilling your relationship desires so your spouse can be treated the same as everyone else?

Is that what you're saying?
Because that's what I think you're saying.

You are allowed to show empathy for more than one cause at a time, just don't let your personal hang ups cloud your thinking. I know you're smarter than that.

[parksey]

maybe if this country wasn't run by right-wing christians who are only concerned about keeping 'straya straight, white and boring, while continuing to line their pockets with regular joe's hard-earned we'd see some real progress happening with the member's love life.

[MFKS]

maybe if this country wasn't run by right-wing christians who are only concerned about keeping 'straya straight, white and boring, while continuing to line their pockets with regular joe's hard-earned we'd see some real progress happening with the member's love life.

As for my love life.

I on the run from her as we speak.

It kaput

[plague]

we'd see some real progress happening with the member's love life.

With all due respect anyone wanting to 'see' anything to do with the Members love life needs to get help.


Besides remember when we had an atheist PM who voted against gay marriage on a conscious vote of all things.

[plague]

As for my love life.

I on the run from her as we speak.

It kaput

Prob for the best.

You were going a bit weird for a bit there.

Plenty more fish in the sea etc etc etc

[hawk]

and whether these things are done because of bigotry, outdated beliefs or just plain ignorance, it doesn't mean we can't tackle a few issues all at once.


thats a narrow minded bigoted statement right there and where the lefties fkd it right up when they needed protection to opposite views. One persons opinion need not be ignorance or be bigoted because its against your own. Thats what one says with no real defence. There is no right in society only majority rule outside of the law. Even law might not seem right on many occasion.

If Im against all marriage thats a fair thought and if you oppose it thats ok too. basically, what ever you call the opposing you are being. very kinder isnt it.

[plague]

thats a narrow minded bigoted statement right there and where the lefties fkd it right up when they needed protection to opposite views. One persons opinion need not be ignorance or be bigoted because its against your own. Thats what one says with no real defence. There is no right in society only majority rule outside of the law. Even law might not seem right on many occasion.

If Im against all marriage thats a fair thought and if you oppose it thats ok too. basically, what ever you call the opposing you are being. very kinder isnt it.

Nah. Because you chopped half my sentence off.

Also:
Because you can be a bigot and also be correct.

People just see the term bigot and auto associate with evil.


But correct that's a consequence of people being too soft to have the conversation.

[hawk]

Nah. Because you chopped half my sentence off.

Also:
Because you can be a bigot and also be correct.

People just see the term bigot and auto associate with evil.


But correct that's a consequence of people being too soft to have the conversation.

best thing to chop off is a sentence :rof:

[plague]

best thing to chop off is a sentence :rof:

Bruce Jenner nods in agreement.

[hawk]

ill just leave this here for interested parties


Dr. Richard Chopp
Dr. Richard Chopp is well known in the Austin community for performing Vasectomies.
https://www.urologyteam.com/dr-richard-chopp

[plague]

Yeah as much as I appreciate ideas getting thrown up there for the peeps to discuss like adults, Malcolm's income tax splitting plan is pretty dumb.

Good politics though.

But dumb.

[The Dunster]

Yeah as much as I appreciate ideas getting thrown up there for the peeps to discuss like adults, Malcolm's income tax splitting plan is pretty dumb.

Good politics though.

But dumb.

Very Dumb. It's all based on the false assumption that taxes fund government spending. Furthermore it also assumes that the federal government has a budget constraint in terms of $AUS - another false assumption.

You can take the boy out of Goldman Sachs but you can't take the Goldman Sachs ideology out of the boy I guess.

[MFKS]

Yeah as much as I appreciate ideas getting thrown up there for the peeps to discuss like adults, Malcolm's income tax splitting plan is pretty dumb.

Good politics though.

But dumb.

Just rearranging the furniture and not fixing the issues

How about they actually get the razor gangs out to deal with the wasted bureaucracy in government that the taxpayer funds with millions and billions of $$ of tax payer money frittered away by these idiots first.

Then look at raising taxes if need be

Reality is a tax rise is of no use if these ****s in charge waste it anyway

[The Dunster]

Just rearranging the furniture and not fixing the issues

How about they actually get the razor gangs out to deal with the wasted bureaucracy in government that the taxpayer funds with millions and billions of $$ of tax payer money frittered away by these idiots first.

Then look at raising taxes if need be

Reality is a tax rise is of no use if these ****s in charge waste it anyway

Unfortunately I don't think governments have a monopoly on "wasted bureaucracy" as you call it. Plenty of research to suggest that private enterprise burdens itself with unnecessary red tape / compliance measures. I work with some of the largest corporations on the planet and the level of waste that goes on is beyond belief. Triple handling of any task would be an improvement.

It's not a matter of private enterprise being run by idiots [that's another story altogether] it's about large corporations aiming to stifle innovation and growth in those around them.

[hawk]

Just rearranging the furniture and not fixing the issues

How about they actually get the razor gangs out to deal with the wasted bureaucracy in government that the taxpayer funds with millions and billions of $$ of tax payer money frittered away by these idiots first.

Then look at raising taxes if need be

Reality is a tax rise is of no use if these ****s in charge waste it anyway

if they spent more wisely less tax needed. fk you sydney roads, govt perks

[The Dunster]

if they spent more wisely less tax needed. fk you sydney roads, govt perks

That's the problem with a plutocracy. You have a shrinking middle class which means their is absolutely no mechanism to make governments or indeed the corporations that own them accountable for their actions.

People give the member a bit of stick for his religious beliefs but it's really not all that far removed from peoples blind faith in the free market or alternatively communism. Each position being totally reliant upon dogma rather than fact to support their positions.

For every Free market liberal trying to reconcile how poorly their hypothesis explains the way the modern economy actually operates there is a Marxist still trying to reconcile Marx's Labour theory of value which was proven to be completely lacking over 100 years ago.

[boz-monaut]

capitalism will always lead to inequality

we need a 2% global tax on capital

r > g

where:
r = rate of return on capital
g = rate of economic growth

it's very simple - it's just that it would take a global effort to organise it and there would be very, very powerful forces working to try to stop it occurring

of course, if we don't, there will be a revolution – there's only so much inequality a society can take

[plague]

of course, if we don't, there will be a revolution – there's only so much inequality a society can take


the next Lord Mayoral candidate for Newy that proposes building a wall between us and the Central Coast gets my vote.

**** those povo ass gypsies.

[plague]

legit question for all those older and wiser than me:

has any country/society ever gotten the balance right between quality of life and wealth equality ever at any time in history?

because you always seem to read about regimes getting into power with those exact sentiments but it always seems to go to shit once power and wealth starts taking hold. has it ever worked?

[hawk]

legit question for all those older and wiser than me:

has any country/society ever gotten the balance right between quality of life and wealth equality ever at any time in history?

because you always seem to read about regimes getting into power with those exact sentiments but it always seems to go to shit once power and wealth starts taking hold. has it ever worked?

fk oath.
late 1990's here.
interest rates came down from 15% (or more) to 6%. nearly everyone could afford to buy a house if they had any job. taxes, utilities were ok. beer was reasonable, bands in newy were good.

[plague]

bands in newy were good.

Was this peak Funbusters era?

[lquiquer]

fk oath.
late 1990's here.
interest rates came down from 15% (or more) to 6%. nearly everyone could afford to buy a house if they had any job. taxes, utilities were ok. beer was reasonable, bands in newy were good.

However the Breakers never made the finals

[hawk]

Was this peak Funbusters era?
was the end of the 70's (barnes & doors)coverbands era. Some new band played some good Seattle sh1t and old newy went home.


However the Breakers never made the finals

90's = chicks>>>>>>>>football

[q-money]

nelly furtado at breakers/united games :wub:

[The Dunster]

legit question for all those older and wiser than me:

has any country/society ever gotten the balance right between quality of life and wealth equality ever at any time in history?

because you always seem to read about regimes getting into power with those exact sentiments but it always seems to go to shit once power and wealth starts taking hold. has it ever worked?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2012-05-02-ProdWages.arrow.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QcCp3JJ.png

http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/events/spring08/feller/productivity_wages_graph.gif



https://www.prosper.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/House-price-to-income-ratio-646x343.png

http://www.newcastlebandsdatabase.com.au/img/Armageddon-PromoSmall.jpg

1946 to 1972 is the golden age with respect to incomes equality. Before and after that brief period in history it's been not so great for a lot of people.

[MFKS]

Daylight Saving must say ****ing it off is a winner as far as I am concerned.

Why do we even have it

Why the **** does it last 6 months these days.


Want more daylight then get out of bed in the morning FFS

[plague]

Daylight Saving must say ****ing it off is a winner as far as I am concerned.

Why do we even have it

Why the **** does it last 6 months these days.


Want more daylight then get out of bed in the morning FFS

Maybe you should have a word to your mate God.

He started all this shit yeah?

[MFKS]

How!??

Thought the thing was a man made idea.


Not recalling anything about 6 months with the clocks pushed forward in my good book

[Jeterpool]

Daylight Saving must say ****ing it off is a winner as far as I am concerned.

Why do we even have it

Why the **** does it last 6 months these days.


Want more daylight then get out of bed in the morning FFS

Tending to agree with a lack of sleep head I currently have. My boy is an early riser at 5:30 the last few months, so that's now 4:30. And no....putting them to bed later doesn't necessarily work

[The Dunster]

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/daylight-savings-up-at-4-bitches.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=599

http://www.funnymemes.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/monday-after-daylight-savings.jpeg

[plague]

How!??

Thought the thing was a man made idea.


Not recalling anything about 6 months with the clocks pushed forward in my good book

I just assumed that the big fella was responsible for inventing blokes, the sun and time itself then he'd be able to change it round to suit.

It's all his handiwork innit?

[MFKS]

I just assumed that the big fella was responsible for inventing blokes, the sun and time itself then he'd be able to change it round to suit.

It's all his handiwork innit?

Your drawing a long bow to make your point


That being said for your point to be accurate I am going to draw a very short bow here

You are a believer in JC then Plague

5 5 5

[plague]

Your drawing a long bow to make your point


That being said for your point to be accurate I am going to draw a very short bow here

You are a believer in JC then Plague

5 5 5

Nah man. We are having a little giggle at it all.

I genuinely respect people's wish to believe whatever they want.
Although the chaps who think they are getting a whole bunch of virgins if they blow themselves up confuse all **** out of me.

[plague]

Like, why not 72 porn stars when you die?

Now THAT would be a good time.

A bunch of timid first timers?

That's just weird.

[boz-monaut]

they tried that but islam heaven became rife with disease

[plague]

1946 to 1972 is the golden age with respect to incomes equality. Before and after that brief period in history it's been not so great for a lot of people.

Interesting.
Do you have an opinion on why?
It seems that the start of that period may have been influenced by a post war economy and the 'nationalism' that comes along with it.

I noticed the end of that period coincided with the Whitlam years, was it a factor? Or was the previous period of conservative rule setting it up to fail anyway?

Or was the world changing and we were heading this way regardless of what we did locally?

[The Dunster]

Interesting.
Do you have an opinion on why?
It seems that the start of that period may have been influenced by a post war economy and the 'nationalism' that comes along with it.

I noticed the end of that period coincided with the Whitlam years, was it a factor? Or was the previous period of conservative rule setting it up to fail anyway?

Or was the world changing and we were heading this way regardless of what we did locally?

Yes - "the world changing and we were heading this way regardless of what we did locally". Pretty much.

After WW2 Governments used fiscal policy to fill the gap between actual spending and the level of spending compatible with full employment.
In 1959 the Reserve Bank of Australia adopted a similar approach with respect to monetary policy via the Reserve Bank Act 1959
The end of the golden age was due to a temporary shock to all prices [Opec Oil Crises] in early 1970's. [Stagflation] Unemployment and Inflation rising [Philips Curve]
That opened the gates for the Chicago School Economists to argue that the golden age was only a special case.
As such the Chicago School [Monetarism] became the mainstream ideology - and we went back to the thinking of 18th and early 19th Century economists such as David Ricardo.
Next Union Power was absolutely destroyed via arrangements between government and big business.
The Full Employment goal was replaced by that of price stability..... and through some very laughable methods which all failed [Look up Money supply targeting]

.... and the rest - well we are currently living it.

It used to be that Capital's goal was profit and that workers resisted wage cuts.
The countervailing power between the two groups was the very foundation of the capitalist system.
Today, Capital still has the profit goal but there is absolutely no resistance from workers with respect to wage cuts.

From there. Workers have been forced to live on credit via financial engineering, marketing, and governments accommodating the will of financial capitalists through fiscal consolidation.

Pretty much nothing the Chicago School have indoctrinated the masses with has ever passed any empirical testing. In fact, 99% of it has been shown to be complete garbage.

[boz-monaut]

you guys read Capital in the twenty-first century by Thomas Picketty?

well worth a read

[plague]

i find it interesting the lack of focus the US economy has had during the election campaigns (on both sides).
So the US is destined to be about $21 trillion in debt by the end of Obamas term. The only politician who has focused on it has been Trump who proposes a bunch of protectionist policies to help fix it.
Sanders has proposed an ideology but given very little detail about how it will be implemented.

So it begs the questions:
Is the figure of $21 trillion a real problem to an economy that size?

Are Americans smarter for not caring about it (as opposed to Australians who obsess over govt debt) or are them dumber for ignoring it and getting caught up in banning cross dressers from public toilets as a major issue for the election?

Whilst you would like governments to at least attempt to control what they can within the economy, more and more countries are like "ahhh screw that lets talk about those darn Muslims".

[The Dunster]

i find it interesting the lack of focus the US economy has had during the election campaigns (on both sides).
So the US is destined to be about $21 trillion in debt by the end of Obamas term. The only politician who has focused on it has been Trump who proposes a bunch of protectionist policies to help fix it.
Sanders has proposed an ideology but given very little detail about how it will be implemented.

So it begs the questions:
Is the figure of $21 trillion a real problem to an economy that size?

Are Americans smarter for not caring about it (as opposed to Australians who obsess over govt debt) or are them dumber for ignoring it and getting caught up in banning cross dressers from public toilets as a major issue for the election?

Whilst you would like governments to at least attempt to control what they can within the economy, more and more countries are like "ahhh screw that lets talk about those darn Muslims".

Government deficit equals non-government surplus.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the private sector being able to spend less than they earn.

To argue government deficits are bad it is effectively saying that the private sector should always spend more than they earn. Which I think most people here would agree is not sustainable and completely ridiculous.

Hence, the position of both sides of government is that households should always spend more than they earn.

And it is through consumption spending via credit that the economy is able to grow just fast enough to sustain profits for those at the top of the pyramid [Usually Financial Capitalists - aka: The least productive organisms on the planet].

If the masses were to reduce their spending and they have been for the past few years to essentially make ends meet - then you end up with a fall in spending = fall in income = fall in investment = fall in aggregate demand = firms cutting back production and their workforce.

Meanwhile - the financial capitalists just roll the dice at the casino Stock Exchange / Derivatives Markets, knowing full well if they lose the government will come in to bail them out - like they always have.

[The Dunster]

you guys read Capital in the twenty-first century by Thomas Picketty?

well worth a read

It is a good read, however.

His entire thesis is based around the proposition that taxes and bond sales fund government spending. As a consequence of this misguided proposition he incorrectly assumes that income inequality can be rectified by taxing the elites accordingly.

His heart is in the right place but his reasoning is severely flawed.

[plague]

Meanwhile - the financial capitalists just roll the dice at the casino Stock Exchange / Derivatives Markets, knowing full well if they lose the government will come in to bail them out - like they always have.

and this is the bit that intrigues the most.

Most average people see this as unfair (why 'tax payers' dollars are spent on bailing out poorly performing private companies). Yet here are two candidates that are a realistic chance of stopping that practice happening and throwing a massive spanner in an unfair system yet neither will become president and the status quo will be maintained (and 'tax payers' will keep on moaning).

[The Dunster]

and this is the bit that intrigues the most.

Most average people see this as unfair (why 'tax payers' dollars are spent on bailing out poorly performing private companies). Yet here are two candidates that are a realistic chance of stopping that practice happening and throwing a massive spanner in an unfair system yet neither will become president and the status quo will be maintained (and 'tax payers' will keep on moaning).

The reality is that it is a lot worse than most average people realise.

There is absolutely no valid reason that the stock exchange or indeed bond or derivative markets even exist other than to provide welfare payments to the laziest pieces of shit on the planet -The Financial Capitalists.

But a few public floats and your mum and dad investors jump on board and everyone seems to think it's a valid form of income generation.

It's not. It transfers wealth from all citizens to a select few. We all used to be part owners in Telstra. Instead of offering the shares to all individuals to trade people were forced to buy them ?

And this is the key to any plutocracy. The more money you have the more influence you have over policy.

If you don't have money [lots of money] you have no voice.

This is why tax policy is a waste of time - the rich have enough money to buy tax exemptions from the government. The rest of us are like lambs to the slaughter every time a politician needs to satisfy the whims of the big end of town.

You wonder who will be next given that the middle classes are rapidly disappearing and small business in general is being slaughtered by big fat inefficient bags of shit we call corporations

[plague]

So reading about these 'religious freedoms' laws being debated across the US at the moment.

Anyone on this, because on the face of it both sides have a general agreeable point.
But as always the devil is in the detail and the strange little situations it throws up.

Now I'm only talking about private business here, as all govt departments and employees of those departments should be under the one rule.

But

As a business owner it does irk me that even though the govt did nothing to help me set up or run the joint, they can stand over the top of you and say "you must do this or that". So by empowering one part of the population you limit the freedom of another.

Interesting.


(And for the record I've never knocked back a dollar from anyone so it doesn't bother me so much but the principal does).

[The Dunster]

So reading about these 'religious freedoms' laws being debated across the US at the moment.

Anyone on this, because on the face of it both sides have a general agreeable point.
But as always the devil is in the detail and the strange little situations it throws up.

Now I'm only talking about private business here, as all govt departments and employees of those departments should be under the one rule.

But

As a business owner it does irk me that even though the govt did nothing to help me set up or run the joint, they can stand over the top of you and say "you must do this or that". So by empowering one part of the population you limit the freedom of another.

Interesting.


(And for the record I've never knocked back a dollar from anyone so it doesn't bother me so much but the principal does).

I'm going to guess that you have never been to Mississippi ? My former roomie at Uni said it is the one place in the world he's too scared to visit. And he's a 6'7" African American you would not want to mess with and he reckons if seen alone on the street he's lynched within mins.

Suffice to say, Mississippi is a special case when it comes to discrimination.

[plague]

I'm going to guess that you have never been to Mississippi ? My former roomie at Uni said it is the one place in the world he's too scared to visit. And he's a 6'7" African American you would not want to mess with and he reckons if seen alone on the street he's lynched within mins.

Suffice to say, Mississippi is a special case when it comes to discrimination.

Oh don't worry, my buddy who used to live in Georgia has regaled me many tales.

I just think this is a new example of someone thinking this is an easy fix, yet not taking time to weigh up all of the consequences, because there is a flip side to everything.

I also don't have a problem with bigots outing themselves. I'd rather them be public and open to the ridicule they deserve rather than being continually protected by legislation they actually don't want anyway.

[boz-monaut]

I'm sick of this election already

[plague]

still waiting for some idiot pollie to bring up the high speed rail idea.

[The Dunster]

still waiting for some idiot pollie to bring up the high speed rail idea.

Right up there with the "knowledge Nation", "Charter of Budget Honesty", and the best of them all " The Future Fund".

[plague]

The problem is there seems to be a lot of the public and pollies who think that spending billions of dollars to get between 2 places a hell of a lot slower than you already can is somehow a good idea

Also, first time I heard the term 'future fund' muttered I legit thought we were funding some sort of time travel machine.

Man was I ****ing let down big time by these asshole politicians.

[The Dunster]

The problem is there seems to be a lot of the public and pollies who think that spending billions of dollars to get between 2 places a hell of a lot slower than you already can is somehow a good idea

Also, first time I heard the term 'future fund' muttered I legit thought we were funding some sort of time travel machine.

Man was I ****ing let down big time by these asshole politicians.

http://www.ultralevel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/wonkavision.jpg

This I would vote for. Make it happen.

[boz-monaut]

if we're going to adopt any technology from that movie we should go with the lickable wallpaper

http://www.wallpaperink.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/verruca-salt.jpg

[boz-monaut]

Peter Dutton is a monster

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/13124949_10154160977324913_4337967249459506861_n.j pg?oh=5762f06fe40654e1b2da6b0849f300c9&oe=57A2CA9B&__gda__=1474601298_1466f1748cafcdd08512121b4fe7e30 d

http://i.imgur.com/YLVN0WP.jpg

[plague]

Where Ted Cruz at?

[boz-monaut]

Where Ted Cruz at?

back to his day job - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer

[plague]

back to his day job - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer

Well now that Donald has confirmed that Cruz's dad murdered JFK the Zodiac theory is just so spot on.

[boz-monaut]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chkpl7BU4AAhvnD.jpg

[plague]

Did you see the footage of him punching and elbowing his wife on stage during his speech today?

He literally cannot control his impulse to attack and kill people.

[plague]

Did you see the footage of him punching and elbowing his wife on stage during his speech today?

He literally cannot control his impulse to attack and kill people.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s---8SR8Iju--/zmpzlbznqej5i6cflyhu.gif

[The Dunster]

Peter Dutton is a monster

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/13124949_10154160977324913_4337967249459506861_n.j pg?oh=5762f06fe40654e1b2da6b0849f300c9&oe=57A2CA9B&__gda__=1474601298_1466f1748cafcdd08512121b4fe7e30 d

http://i.imgur.com/YLVN0WP.jpg

He's a Christian fundamentalist nut job with the mental capacity of a pebble.

[MFKS]

Who is the **** responsible for dropping interest rates in this country a couple of weeks out from an election??

[The Dunster]

Who is the **** responsible for dropping interest rates in this country a couple of weeks out from an election??

Interest rates go up when the elites want to convert money into an interest bearing alternative and rates go down when the elites wish to sell interest bearing alternatives back to the RBA.

The Government and RBA simply do as they are told to feather their nests after they leave public life.

From and economic point of view interest rates are pretty much meaningless as they tell us very little about the real economy.

No matter which party was in government the interest rate was always going to go down given how bleak the forecasts have been for many many years now. [Based on the mentality of those in charge more so than due to economic necessity]

[hawk]

He's a Christian fundamentalist nut job with the mental capacity of a pebble.

sounds like a moronic waleed/pickering attitude. Just replace Jew with Christian and apparently your no longer a bigot, lol

[The Dunster]

sounds like a moronic waleed/pickering attitude. Just replace Jew with Christian and apparently your no longer a bigot, lol

Not really, they are pretty ****ed up as well. If being an advocate for evidence based learning / teaching makes me moronic then so be it.

[plague]

Seriously, just kill me now.

I dunno what's worse, Turnbull trying to be a man of the people or Shorten trying to look like he gives a **** about 'the werkers'.

Can we vote for Trump?

[hawk]

Seriously, just kill me now.

I dunno what's worse, Turnbull trying to be a man of the people or Shorten trying to look like he gives a **** about 'the werkers'.

Can we vote for Trump?

yes but you'll have to deal with waleed, pickering and Q&A tissue brigades

[The Dunster]

Seriously, just kill me now.

I dunno what's worse, Turnbull trying to be a man of the people or Shorten trying to look like he gives a **** about 'the werkers'.

Can we vote for Trump?

Shorten is worse because he has a choice to oppose the government on policy issues and yet chooses not to.

[plague]

So today I'm reading that one side is going to cut the suicide rate by 50%.

I mean jeez it's a noble cause and all but how the hell they gon achieve that?

[plague]

Also Trump 'went there' with the Clintons.

Truly epic times we are living in people, drink it all in.

[stopper2]

Great to see some intelligent discussion going on in this thread

[The Dunster]

So today I'm reading that one side is going to cut the suicide rate by 50%.

I mean jeez it's a noble cause and all but how the hell they gon achieve that?

Creating jobs for them would be a great start.

Or alternatively, change the definition of the word suicide.

[The Dunster]

Also Trump 'went there' with the Clintons.

Truly epic times we are living in people, drink it all in.

Clinton's are pretty tight with the Rothschild clan as well.

[plague]

Great to see some intelligent discussion going on in this thread

Hey man feel free to contribute.
What's on your mind?

[plague]

Creating jobs for them would be a great start.



Yeah I mean that's a pretty good start.
It was just a weird policy reach and a very weird figure to pull out of thin air.

Everyone would want to see that number at zero but it's like some pollie thinks there's a magic fix and things will be sweet.

I mean how do they even know 'why' people kill themselves let alone think "ok we'll sort out marriage issues, custody issues, depression, rage, bullying, sexuality issues all in one big swoop".


Done: vote for Bob!!!

[plague]

Clinton's are pretty tight with the Rothschild clan as well.

Oh it's all going down.

If anything as Trump goes down kicking and screaming he'll have done so much damage to her credibility that the next GOP candidate in 4 years might look like a viable alternative.

[stopper2]

Hey man feel free to contribute.
What's on your mind?
Best thing about Waleed Aly winning the Gold Logie was seeing all the racists and bigots coming up from out of the woodwork like maggots feeding on a dead carcass ha ha.
Fancy that a brown-skinned man of Arab heritage and of Moslem faith winning a mainstream popularity vote in Straya!
Just not on, hey hawky!!!
Squirm ya farkers

[hawk]

Best thing about Waleed Aly winning the Gold Logie was seeing all the racists and bigots coming up from out of the woodwork like maggots feeding on a dead carcass ha ha.
Fancy that a brown-skinned man of Arab heritage and of Moslem faith winning a mainstream popularity vote in Straya!
Just not on, hey hawky!!!
Squirm ya farkers

You should be on isis watch list

[plague]

Best thing about Waleed Aly winning the Gold Logie was seeing all the racists and bigots coming up from out of the woodwork like maggots feeding on a dead carcass ha ha.
Fancy that a brown-skinned man of Arab heritage and of Moslem faith winning a mainstream popularity vote in Straya!
Just not on, hey hawky!!!
Squirm ya farkers

So what is it with this dude?
I only ever see him on Offsiders and he's never gone outside the norm of a sports talk show.

But yeah I see him put up there as some sort of dissident, is it correct?

As for the backlash, you realise there's probably more hate mail out there regarding some soapie starlets dress sense than the Oz KKK going after this dude.

People are just shitheads, but yeah if he stirs up the bigots then nowt wrong with that.

[The Dunster]

So what is it with this dude?
I only ever see him on Offsiders and he's never gone outside the norm of a sports talk show.

But yeah I see him put up there as some sort of dissident, is it correct?

As for the backlash, you realise there's probably more hate mail out there regarding some soapie starlets dress sense than the Oz KKK going after this dude.

People are just shitheads, but yeah if he stirs up the bigots then nowt wrong with that.

He's an academic at Monash but to be honest I'd never heard him mentioned before he got the gig on ABC Radio and then later on Channel 10.

http://profiles.arts.monash.edu.au/waleed-aly/publications/

[plague]

He's an academic at Monash but to be honest I'd never heard him mentioned before he got the gig on ABC Radio and then later on Channel 10.

http://profiles.arts.monash.edu.au/waleed-aly/publications/

Yeah look I'm going to be honest I ain't reading all that so I'll remove myself from having any educated opinion on him other than what I've seen.

Ta though Dunster.

[GazFish35]

with this election campaign almost as long as the a-league off season I thought I'd take this chance to start my campaign for everyone to get a better understanding of the importance of the Gonski funding to the schools and kids of Australia.

It's not about teachers being paid more it's got nothing to do with teachers pay awards, it's about kids education being funded to a level that will bring us up to the minimum needed to compete with international standards. Let that sink in.... We are playing catch up.

It's about a system that is fair and supports kids based on need.

A colleague has penned this, please take the time to read it and please pay attention to the Gonski campaign. It's imperative public schools and any school serving low-ses and high learning needs kids receive fairer funding and a much needed injection of funds.


Hi there Facebook friends, Sedge here.

I’d like to take a few minutes of your time if I may to tell you about why the Gonski funding at the next federal election is so important to the future of our great nation. If you can’t be bothered reading this post, then good luck to you, keep watching the Kartrashians; but if you’re interested at all in the future of our beloved Australia, please scroll down and keep reading.

I know Facebook is normally reserved for light-hearted fluff, but I believe that what you are about to read is probably the most important issue in our country – apart from environmental sustainability – at the moment.

I’ve taken some time in drafting this plea, yes a plea, to all Australian voters, especially to my friends who have kids or don’t fully understand the issue at hand.

WE MUST GET RID OF TURNBULL, AND GET SHORTEN IN TO FULFIL THE GONSKI FUNDING.

It’s that simple.

Labor and the Greens have promised to commit to 100% of Gonski funding, while the Coalition have told us that they will gradually scrap this.

What is Gonski, I hear you ask…let me lay it all out for ya!

David Gonski is a super-smart dude who used to be involved with private schools, Coke and assorted big business. He is a financial whizz and understands national and international financial trends. He was commissioned to do a study where he looked at the projected growth of Australia and our Pacific Rim neighbours. His findings basically said that public schools are desperately underfunded and if something doesn’t change, they will sink! Places like China, India, Malaysia and Indonesia are rapidly growing and upskilling their students/workers. For Australia to compete with these emerging powers, we need to begin at the start – with our Public Schools. Currently, private schools get enormous amounts of funding from the Federal Government – I’m talking professional theatres, full gyms, heated swimming pools, MacBook’s for every kid, etc…whereas public schools don’t even have whiteboards or air conditioners in every classroom, let alone hot water in the staff rooms or basic equipment for student learning. Gonski was a poster boy for private schools and even he said that the current model is totally biased. Can you believe it??

The big end of town looks after their own, and will continue to do so if Turnbull gets re-elected.

David Gonski outlined exactly how much cash public schools need over the next six years to bring them up to scratch and “educate” the new workforce of Australia. We need this money to ensure that our kids have what they need to compete not only with rich kids but foreign workers that will – have no doubt about it – be temporarily employed to fulfil Australian contracts.

(By the way, the full details of Gonski can be found at www.igiveagonski.com.au

I’m not trying to scare people; I just want people to be aware of what is happening.

We, as a nation, need to take steps to ensure that this does not happen. We can’t just adopt the “she’ll be right mate” mantra anymore, as she won’t be right mate, she’ll be anything but. She’ll be rooted!!

Many people – still – believe that teachers are whining bludgers, that get holidays every few weeks and wouldn’t know what a real days work looked like if it bit them on the calculator. To those people, I say, open your minds and talk to teachers about what it’s actually like at the “chalk face.” I have worked in supermarkets, pubs, restaurants, offices, construction sites and theatres in my time and teaching is, hands down the most mentally challenging profession I’ve encountered.
Could you imagine if a doctor or a lawyer had 25 people in their room at one time – all with different needs – and all speaking at once. Would that professional be able to do their job to the best of their ability?

We have a practice in New South Wales classrooms called “inclusion” where children with learning difficulties such as dyslexia, ADD, ADHD, and Asperger’s Syndrome are all in mainstream classes. When you add abused kids, NESB (Non English Speaking Background) kids, and lazy kids to this mix, you basically have to teach to 25 different learning styles. Did I mention that all of these kids in high school are GOING THROUGH PUBERTY and have to be physically separated from their mobile phones every lesson!! My area is also designated as a low socio-economic rural area. We have many students, who come from broken homes, have histories of physical and sexual abuse and who are “broken” by the time that they get to Year 7. We as teachers can only do so much. My colleagues and I go above and beyond and try to make our school a safe and creative space where we do the best that we can. We operate on a shoestring budget and we get creative with what limited resources we have. It’s the hardest gig that I’ve ever had and now the Liberal government wants to make it even harder!!
The kids need more money so the schools can hire specialist teachers, SLSO’s, (also called Teacher Aides) counsellors and support staff.

WE NEED GONSKI!

I welcome any debate on this matter – though what I’ve said is all true – but I would prefer if you please, in the very least, share this post and talk to your friends and family about the importance of Gonski.

Every Australian should have the right to a great education, whether they choose to use it or not. It shouldn’t be limited to just silver spooners, or full fee paying international students. It should be one of the pillars of our Constitution and a birth right.
I love my country and I love teaching in the Public School system, but we are about to be severely rimmed if we don’t get the Gonski funding.

Won’t someone please think of the children!!

Please vote Labor/Greens just this once, even if you normally vote Liberal. We need your votes.

Time to stand up ‘Straya

I’m counting onya.

Sedge \m/

PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE and sign the petition at www.igiveagonski.com.au
…and remember
Without teachers there would be NO professions, as we have taught every person, in every job.

Peace.

If you've got any questions about Gonski sing out.

[hawk]

If Labor decides to help aussies first and not the rest of the whole world then they might have a chance

[q-money]

If Labor decides to help aussies first and not the rest of the whole world then they might have a chance

rofl, australia's foreign aid budget is disgracefully small anyway, the libs have savaged it but it's political poison, and i don't see labor pumping it up if they get in regardless. .

you want to blame someone for not helping out the so called battlers, go look at the rich end of town. australia's record in domestic philanthropy is absolutely putrid.

[plague]

Yeah look I think the whole education funding debate is a good one but some of the numbers getting tossed around are a little bit cheeky.

Fed spends on private schools because the state takes care of publics.
Overall state/fed combined it's still double the amount spent on public v private per student.

And look I'm fine with ditching tennis courts and theatres for private kids in place of basics for public kids. 100% but then are we all cool with fed funding for universities being used for pools and theatres too?

And then we'd all have to be cool with ditching any rebates for private health care too right? Because the Feds should only be funding public hospitals too yeah?

I like the fact the education is a centrepiece in this election but this blokes assumption that 'labor will fix it/Libs will screw it' is a bit rich.

Also, I don't remember this outrage when fed funding dropped between 09-12, and since Abbott got it it's actually on the way back up.

And yes it's not Gonski money but that policy was never funded and promised so far out into the never never (and that's something that annoys me about all sides of politics).

The biggest disc-race is the % of dollars that actually gets to kids (and in the same case as foreign aid) and how much is chewed up through admin on the way down the chain.

Also: 5 star discussion point Mr Fish this is why I like this thread.