2019/20 Squad

[gussie_l]

All this stuff coming out of the club / Lawrie is good to know. He seems to cop a lot of flack. I am thinking (hoping to believe) from what we hear that the situation is as he says:
- getting nothing / very little out of Lee
- the club having to find alternate funds / making financial decisions to keep a float (ie off loading players for money) so that existing players and staff keep getting paid (this would be a nightmare to manage/juggle).
- now trying to find a cheap coach (fit the "budget") to progress the season.
- trying hard to sell the club to divorce from "lack of funds lee" and hoping a buyer will exist and be likely to give us money to spend. This one in this current climate must be too big an ask. Who would want to take it on, especially with the a-league being in a dire state.....
Anyway, i am hoping to believe this, and if the case, it seems the club is doing it's best to keep a float. Trouble too is, with players saying they want out but are contract binding how is this going to effect all the players - "mentality". Again, if this is correct, i feel that maybe some muck (blame) could be thrown Robbo's way for possibly stirring this to get his pick of players out of there across to him. If so, this is a bit i have problem with. Ok, he had a get out clause in his contract because we couldn't afford his price without it, leaving is tough for us, but ok, its in his contract, but his actions thereafter are "do whatever it takes, shit all over us" to get the outcome he wants with ripping players from us and it's not "ethical". I maybe wrong with this "assumption", but this is what i suspect / it feels like.

Yeah, i live a fairy tale world. I can only hope..... I too am worried about our club.

[turbojetfireV8]

Was JOWIC at training, or have we let him go to Brisvegas?

[Ghost of Plague]

All this stuff coming out of the club / Lawrie is good to know. He seems to cop a lot of flack. I am thinking (hoping to believe) from what we hear that the situation is as he says:
- getting nothing / very little out of Lee
- the club having to find alternate funds / making financial decisions to keep a float (ie off loading players for money) so that existing players and staff keep getting paid (this would be a nightmare to manage/juggle).
- now trying to find a cheap coach (fit the "budget") to progress the season.
- trying hard to sell the club to divorce from "lack of funds lee" and hoping a buyer will exist and be likely to give us money to spend. This one in this current climate must be too big an ask. Who would want to take it on, especially with the a-league being in a dire state.....
Anyway, i am hoping to believe this, and if the case, it seems the club is doing it's best to keep a float. Trouble too is, with players saying they want out but are contract binding how is this going to effect all the players - "mentality". Again, if this is correct, i feel that maybe some muck (blame) could be thrown Robbo's way for possibly stirring this to get his pick of players out of there across to him. If so, this is a bit i have problem with. Ok, he had a get out clause in his contract because we couldn't afford his price without it, leaving is tough for us, but ok, its in his contract, but his actions thereafter are "do whatever it takes, shit all over us" to get the outcome he wants with ripping players from us and it's not "ethical". I maybe wrong with this "assumption", but this is what i suspect / it feels like.

Yeah, i live a fairy tale world. I can only hope..... I too am worried about our club.

Ffs mods how many multis are you gonna let that gypo ceo have on here?

[The Dunster]

Just watched the interview with Lawrie. Did he just sell me a used car ?

[pv4]

Just watched the interview with Lawrie. Did he just sell me a used car ?

I don't think there is anyone actually left at the PFA to refute his claims :rof:

[380]

Just watched the interview with Lawrie. Did he just sell me a used car ?

Nope, A Jayco.

[My2BobsWorth]

Nope, A Jayco.

Nice one 380, but the truth is these two dickheads have pretty much fukt us, untenable is what the CEO's say

[StannyCFCJET]

Joey loaned to Brisbane roar

[Jeterpool]

Joey loaned to Brisbane roar

Ha ha ha that's a classic

[StannyCFCJET]

Ha ha ha that's a classic
We have alot of new people to hate this season. Bring it on

[StannyCFCJET]

Duncan training with us as well

[The Dunster]

Duncan training with us as well

I did not know he was carrying a long term injury. Is it an ACL ?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Hopefully we can help Duncan get back to where he was.
Will be a good signing for somebody else.

Do we qualify as a charity yet?
Would be nice for those who aren’t woke enough to remove their Credit card details from auto renewal, to be able to claim their donation in their tax.

[Jeterpool]

Hopefully we can help Duncan get back to where he was.
Will be a good signing for somebody else.

Do we qualify as a charity yet?
Would be nice for those who aren’t woke enough to remove their Credit card details from auto renewal, to be able to claim their donation in their tax.

Club have already come out and said they aren't renewing via auto-renewal this year. Can't bash them for that.

[My2BobsWorth]

Nice one 380, but the truth is these two dickheads have pretty much fukt us, untenable is what the CEO's say

Luckily no one noticed my grammatical error. phew.

[Ghost of Plague]

Club have already come out and said they aren't renewing via auto-renewal this year. Can't bash them for that.

and they are telling the truth 'this time'?.
To be fair though, asking if they can rob us rather than just stealing is a pleasant change.
To be fair though they've prob sacked the I.T guy and have no idea how to process the payments anyway.

[Jetmaster]

Do we qualify as a charity yet?
Would be nice for those who aren’t woke enough to remove their Credit card details from auto renewal, to be able to claim their donation in their tax.

Should qualify easy as a Not For Profit.....

www.newcastlejets.org.au

[Frodo]

So can someone tell me how many more players we have to sign to meet the minimum squad requirements next season?

And what date we have to have them finalized by?

I can see a few Bymora's and Josh Hope's getting a deal over the next month to fill out squad numbers.

[Frodo]

Italiano

Hoffman - Johny K - Topor - O'Toole

Uga(Simmons) - Kanta

Ramy - Thurgate. - Ibini (Kosta)

Roy

Bench = James, Simmons, Kosta, Maki, Langlois, Jackson and Mauragis.

That's roughly a guess at our starting 11 as of right now. If Uga and Ibini leave, which you'd think will happen logically, we are even more boned. Jackson is obviously returning from injury and will take time, Boogs may resign for another season but hasn't as yet.

And who doubted that we could set the bar any lower than it was before?

[StannyCFCJET]

Italiano

Hoffman - Johny K - Topor - O'Toole

Uga(Simmons) - Kanta

Ramy - Thurgate. - Ibini (Kosta)

Roy

Bench = James, Simmons, Kosta, Maki, Langlois, Jackson and Mauragis.

That's roughly a guess at our starting 11 as of right now. If Uga and Ibini leave, which you'd think will happen logically, we are even more boned. Jackson is obviously returning from injury and will take time, Boogs may resign for another season but hasn't as yet.

And who doubted that we could set the bar any lower than it was before?

Boogs has resigned I think. Swear lawrie mentioned it the other day

[turbojetfireV8]

So with this Champness loan, are we still paying any of his wages while Brisbane get his services? I really can't see them paying us anything (unless it's just part of his wages and we pay the rest, which wouldn't surprise if we got screwed over like that). Can't deny I'm really disappointed he's shit in our pocket like this for a second time (he hasn't even gone to a decent team, they'll be struggling again this season so it isn't a career changing move FFS)

[The Hacker]

Jeremy Brockie trialing thoughts?

If he’s hungry I’ll take some experience

[Ghost of Plague]

Jeremy Brockie trialing thoughts?

If he’s hungry I’ll take some experience

Its not a proper shitfest til Spencer Prior turns up for a kick.

[Frodo]

Surely Virgili is locked on for next season by now?

[380]

Hoolie Doolie announcement imminent also just to complete the cluster%^&*.

[Ghost of Plague]

Surely Virgili is locked on for next season by now?

Sign em both.
Gypo CEO will be out there telling the fans "its just like when we had those Griffiths boys playing for us".

[My2BobsWorth]

So with this Champness loan, are we still paying any of his wages while Brisbane get his services? I really can't see them paying us anything (unless it's just part of his wages and we pay the rest, which wouldn't surprise if we got screwed over like that). Can't deny I'm really disappointed he's shit in our pocket like this for a second time (he hasn't even gone to a decent team, they'll be struggling again this season so it isn't a career changing move FFS)

Why doesn't the moron CEO just tell us the terms of the loan, or is he running for Newcastle council, ffs.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Hoolie Doolie announcement imminent also just to complete the cluster%^&*.

It’s says enough about our position that I attempted to fact check this

[StannyCFCJET]

All the footage of pre season, no images of Uga and Ibini

[turbojetfireV8]

pretty sure Steve is in one of the shots on Jets FB page 27/10, but haven't seen Bernie in any shots

[Jeterpool]

They could be in shots/groups that involve triallists. The club won't want that information out there - clubs normally don't. Triallists names on a team sheet weere put up in a friendly between Macarthur and Sydney FC the other day and was quickly deleted.

I have seen them in groups running etc.

[pv4]

All the footage of pre season, no images of Uga and Ibini

Sprouley shared some training pics on instagram today, including Bernie + Brockie's dope beard.

[mic22]

I've seen Bernie in person at Ray Watt this morning.
He didn't look too happy though...

[The Hacker]

Bernie now on stress leave now. Is it taking the pi55. Must be tough getting paid to play football instead of digging holes. He wasn’t forced to sign a contract he choose to so suck it up.

[Jeterpool]

Bernie now on stress leave now. Is it taking the pi55. Must be tough getting paid to play football instead of digging holes. He wasn’t forced to sign a contract he choose to so suck it up.

Where is that reported?

[The Hacker]

Where is that reported?

The Herald. He has taken 10 days off

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/7004568/a-league-unsettled-ibini-jets-out-on-stress-leave-as-contract-situation-takes-new-twist/?cs=7580

[boz-monaut]

Where is that reported?

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/7004568/a-league-unsettled-ibini-jets-out-on-stress-leave-as-contract-situation-takes-new-twist/?cs=7580

[380]

This would be his management advising him to pull this stunt.

Sure as shit if this stunt don't work he will just act like a tool when he returns til the club eventually bends over and gives in to his "i wanna be with the welcher at the wanderers ".

[Jetmaster]

Agent playing with media to get an out - stuff him. His fault for not getting an out clause if Carl left.

Jets aren't the bad guys here.

[The Hacker]

Agent playing with media to get an out - stuff him. His fault for not getting an out clause if Carl left.

Jets aren't the bad guys here.

Totally agree. It’s not like he’s being forced to play for free. If we let him win then Stevie will be next. I hope Laurie shows some balls and holds them to their contracts

[Frodo]

Everyone is missing the real problem here.

The problem shouldn't be with the player who doesn't want to be here, if he doesn't have to want to stay around, we shouldn't want him to either. That's on us as a club for not creating something worth staying for in the end. We are a shambles and no one would want to be here, put yourself in Bernie or Uga's shoes and you'd understand. That part of the issue is the club's fault, but it's not even my main gripe with this whole thing...


WHY aren't we allowing transfer fees between clubs? If WSW want Bernie and he wants them, either they wait until his deal expires or the club who has the contract gets paid to release him. Even if it's $3.95, there still has to be a reason to release them that benefits the team who agreed to pay the wages no matter what. The club loses when the football isn't played, or the player gets injured, etc, so the club should be able to benefit from the agreement somehow.

Transfer fees fix this entire issue IMO. It gives clubs a reason to invest in younger more profitable assets, it makes other clubs more wary of recyclng the same useless players throughout the league, it gives players a justification when moving on as well because at least they have financially reimbursed the club for the faith shown in them in most cases.

Make them happen twats in charge.

[pv4]

WHY aren't we allowing transfer fees between clubs?

My understanding is transfer fees are allowed - just that they contribute to the cap space (if not a marquee).

[Grimario]

My understanding is transfer fees are allowed - just that they contribute to the cap space (if not a marquee).

Isn't that only for fees from abroad? Having loans between clubs was a big enough step... I don't remember FFA giving the greenlight to transfer fees.

I remember articles from all sorts of sources this year saying "Transfers must start" and heaps of NPL clubs quoted as well since they have a fixed fee compensation system or some shit.

[Frodo]

My understanding is transfer fees are allowed - just that they contribute to the cap space (if not a marquee).

Grim is right, fees are only allowed from outside of the league from what i've read and understood. They need to be allowed within the league.

[ranger]

Dumb question, do wsw actually want Bernie?

[Jetmaster]

Grim is right, fees are only allowed from outside of the league from what i've read and understood. They need to be allowed within the league.

There is discussion about this taking place in line with the second division. The big clubs will try to get all the talent but the small clubs will be fairly compensated.

[anfield]

Bernie now on stress leave now. Is it taking the pi55. Must be tough getting paid to play football instead of digging holes. He wasn’t forced to sign a contract he choose to so suck it up.

Time to get rid of him, no heart or loyalty at all towards the Jets. Even if it's for free. Uga much more important towards to the squad so we need to keep him.
Maybe it's time to give Virgili another crack, He was released by the Jets mainly due to a lack of goals, He has certainly addressed that at NPL level. Local guy deserves an opportunity

[380]

Time to get rid of him, no heart or loyalty at all towards the Jets. Even if it's for free. Uga much more important towards to the squad so we need to keep him.
Maybe it's time to give Virgili another crack, He was released by the Jets mainly due to a lack of goals, He has certainly addressed that at NPL level. Local guy deserves an opportunity

Good Afternoon James

[The Dunster]

Time to get rid of him, no heart or loyalty at all towards the Jets. Even if it's for free. Uga much more important towards to the squad so we need to keep him.
Maybe it's time to give Virgili another crack, He was released by the Jets mainly due to a lack of goals, He has certainly addressed that at NPL level. Local guy deserves an opportunity

I'm a big fan of Virgili but he was given a lot of opportunities to shine at A-League level and he came up short. We aren't talking about a few chances either - he played in 55 games ffs. His NPL form doesn't change things either as he was scoring freely in the youth league as well which is a similar standard to the NPL. But the jump to A-league was simply too much for him back then and there's nothing to suggest he's improved enough to turn it around.

If he was scoring 60 goals a season in the NPL maybe you'd give him another try - but he's not.

[Tommyjet]

I'm a big fan of Virgili but he was given a lot of opportunities to shine at A-League level and he came up short. We aren't talking about a few chances either - he played in 55 games ffs. His NPL form doesn't change things either as he was scoring freely in the youth league as well which is a similar standard to the NPL. But the jump to A-league was simply too much for him back then and there's nothing to suggest he's improved enough to turn it around.

If he was scoring 60 goals a season in the NPL maybe you'd give him another try - but he's not.

I think there are others more worthy based on what I have watched this season

[Bon]

So it looks like Taggs is about to leave Suwon.. I think we can all safely assume it won't be back to us.. :gent:

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/no-bid-for-taggart-yet-but-future-to-be-settled-soon

[StannyCFCJET]

Make Ibini train with the yoof

[Bremsstrahlung]

Doesn’t the players association get upset whenever we punish/remove a bad influence from first team training?

On that, didn’t City keep fornaroli out of the first team for almost an entire season.

I’m sure we could bring in some Olyroos players that need game time pre Tokyo

[Jetmaster]

Make Ibini train with the yoof

This is another case of the agent rattling the cage, I reckon Bernie is confused and stressed out because of that.

Roy said yesterday he has "had his head turned" - it's obvious by whom.

It maybe he was ok with staying.

Hoole's career was destroyed by his agent - they are *****.

[Grimario]

Wasn't everyone pre-warned by that when Carl was photographed before signing with the bloke who was the agent that helped undermine everything overseas when he was there?

[mic22]

The club shouldn't budge.
Ibini has signed a contract, his service is needed here. He is going to get paid, and probably decent coin too.
It's his choice then:
- behave like a professional, do the best for the club you signed for, impress everyone and aim for a better club next season;
- or start whingeing and acting unprofessionally, so everyone can see how bad you are under pressure. And good luck finding a better contract next season;
- there must be an exit fee on his contract... if it's the case, pay it and leave.

Sports history is full of examples of excellent performances in unhappy situations.
Put it simply... harden up. And if you want to complain to someone, call your mate Carl: he's the one who made the mess.

[Negative Police]

The club shouldn't budge.
Ibini has signed a contract, his service is needed here. He is going to get paid, and probably decent coin too.
It's his choice then:
- behave like a professional, do the best for the club you signed for, impress everyone and aim for a better club next season;
- or start whingeing and acting unprofessionally, so everyone can see how bad you are under pressure. And good luck finding a better contract next season;
- there must be an exit fee on his contract... if it's the case, pay it and leave.

Sports history is full of examples of excellent performances in unhappy situations.
Put it simply... harden up. And if you want to complain to someone, call your mate Carl: he's the one who made the mess.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/srg19CG0cKMuI/200.gif

[Thomas477]

As far as I’m concerned now, I don’t want him playing for us, if he’s going to be this much of a sook about it, given him the ol’ Stubbins treatment and don’t play him, just expect him at training with the rest of the squaddies

[anfield]

The club shouldn't budge.
Ibini has signed a contract, his service is needed here. He is going to get paid, and probably decent coin too.
It's his choice then:
- behave like a professional, do the best for the club you signed for, impress everyone and aim for a better club next season;
- or start whingeing and acting unprofessionally, so everyone can see how bad you are under pressure. And good luck finding a better contract next season;
- there must be an exit fee on his contract... if it's the case, pay it and leave.

Sports history is full of examples of excellent performances in unhappy situations.
Put it simply... harden up. And if you want to complain to someone, call your mate Carl: he's the one who made the mess.

Sorry but I disagree with you. There are 4 trialists that are working their backsides off to get a contract. If he doesn't want to be here then get rid of him. I don't care if he signs for wsw, he isn't that good.
Players that carry on like this only disrupt the morale of the squad.
Suarez and Coutinho wanted out of Liverpool and the club eventually got rid of them. History shows it didn't hurt them.

[Frodo]

I absolutely hate this " he signed a contract and should be forced to stay here and shut his mouth" hot take. This isn't slavery, contracts are not laws and only an idiot would want to keep an employee who doesn't want to stay as there is Zero chance you'll get good work from them anyway.

I cannot see a single positive from keeping him other than to be a bully and maybe to cuddle the egos of people who can't handle rejection.

As for the contractual stuff, we have already paid him for any work he's completed. So he has zero obligation to continue working for us from a legal stand point. All we can do is block him from playing elsewhere, which is childish and would likely be the end of the club as no other professional would ever sign a contract with us again.

Again, please grow up and realise that the only real issues here are that we are a basket case of a club that players don't want to play for right now, and there is no financial incentives available to us to cover the investment we made. Blame the FFA for that, not Ibini or Uga.

[pv4]

Make Ibini train with the yoof

Even Stanny has cracked, never thought I'd see the day.

[Ghost of Plague]

I cannot see a single positive from keeping him other than to be a bully and maybe to cuddle the egos of people who can't handle rejection.

99% of self made rich people are outrageous assholes (100% of inherited wealth people are assholes). Being bullies and possessing a fragile ego is pretty much a requirement of 'success' in today's environment. Add to that the extra wankery in owning a sporting franchise and there's no way in hell the owner is going to let himself look weak in these situations.
Granted, at the moment Lee doesn't care so the gypo could maybe talk him around, but on the whole asking rich people to do the moral and right thing by humans is never an intelligent pathway.
I want Uga in the best team for him personally because I love watching him play and I hate the Jets. Happy to grab a torch and head down to Marathon to lead the revolution.

[StannyCFCJET]

Even Stanny has cracked, never thought I'd see the day.

Him being a tosspot doesnt remove his quality as a footballer

[The Dunster]

This is why we we need GVE back as Coach. He'd have Ibini training on his own in Mario Jardel corner quicker than you could blink.

[Jetmaster]

Help is on the way from Blofeld and the climate kid...no owners, no salaries, no transfer fees.

Made for the Jets.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4zUjsEaKbkM/hqdefault.jpg

[380]

This is why we we need GVE back as Coach. He'd have Ibini training on his own in Mario Jardel corner quicker than you could blink.

Agreed, Time he was made to do Kasey laps til his petulant " i miss my welcher mate carl " attitude has been adjusted.

[Bremsstrahlung]

What’s the point of contracts?

If the club wants to get rid of a player under contract we’d have to pay them out of find them a deal they would be happy with. We can’t just say hey, don’t want you, bye.

The player seems to be able to get out of their side of the contract and the club are not compensated in any way.

What benefits do clubs have to signing a player to a contract?

[Couscous]

99% of self made rich people are outrageous assholes (100% of inherited wealth people are assholes)

I married into wealth. What is the probability that I am an arsehole?

[Frodo]

What’s the point of contracts?

If the club wants to get rid of a player under contract we’d have to pay them out of find them a deal they would be happy with. We can’t just say hey, don’t want you, bye.

The player seems to be able to get out of their side of the contract and the club are not compensated in any way.

What benefits do clubs have to signing a player to a contract?

This is all because some idiot decided that transfer fees between clubs would be a negative.

[Frodo]

I married into wealth. What is the probability that I am an arsehole?

Isn't your wife, Annette Van Egmond, a teacher or something? Can't be too wealthy.

[380]

I married into a family of paupers. I must be the dead set bestest bloke in the whole wide world.

[Ghost of Plague]

I married into wealth. What is the probability that I am an arsehole?
Depending on the level of wealth.
If you married into a family with a few car yards or a building company you are probably ok, especially if you worm your way into working for the family business.
If you married into google or westfield you would have had to go though an approval process and being an asshole is a pretty major ingredient.
Regardless, you inevitably end up convincing yourself you've earned that cash so the slow burn to assholeness is well and truly lit.




Also, arsehole and asshole are 2 completely different kettles of fish.but thats a whole other thing altogether.

[mic22]

I absolutely hate this " he signed a contract and should be forced to stay here and shut his mouth" hot take. This isn't slavery, contracts are not laws and only an idiot would want to keep an employee who doesn't want to stay as there is Zero chance you'll get good work from them anyway.

I cannot see a single positive from keeping him other than to be a bully and maybe to cuddle the egos of people who can't handle rejection.

As for the contractual stuff, we have already paid him for any work he's completed. So he has zero obligation to continue working for us from a legal stand point. All we can do is block him from playing elsewhere, which is childish and would likely be the end of the club as no other professional would ever sign a contract with us again.

Again, please grow up and realise that the only real issues here are that we are a basket case of a club that players don't want to play for right now, and there is no financial incentives available to us to cover the investment we made. Blame the FFA for that, not Ibini or Uga.

Couldn't disagree more.

There's a reason why contracts exist in the professional world: to be enforced when someone behaves like a d*ck.
Handshakes or giving one's word are not for everyone... this is growing up (unfortunately, one might add...).
He wants out, he pays the fee (if there is one)

Allowing primadonnas and their agents to act like this is the best possible way to get treated like an idiot again in the future

[The Hacker]

Couldn't disagree more.

There's a reason why contracts exist in the professional world: to be enforced when someone behaves like a d*ck.
Handshakes or giving one's word are not for everyone... this is growing up (unfortunately, one might add...).
He wants out, he pays the fee (if there is one)

Allowing primadonnas and their agents to act like this is the best possible way to get treated like an idiot again in the future

Does the player have to agree to be loaned out. If not Loan him out to Wellington for the year that would be us being an asshole

[Bremsstrahlung]

Wish Optus would let me out of my phone contract as easy as the Jets do.

I’m in the middle of piss off if you don’t want to be here and you shouldn’t be able to play for another a league club.


May as well scrap contracts all together, until transfer fees/compensation becomes a thing

[Frodo]

I swear a few of you kids seem to not know what a contract is. A contract isn't ownership. We don't do slavery anymore, sorry to disappoint a few of you it seems.



I think Ibini is a rubbish player and will be happy when he's gone, but I can't see how he's done anything wrong here. He signed a contract and then the club went and released the only reason he was here within a few weeks. Of course he would want to go, the club (and Lawrie in particular) would have known this when making the decision to allow Carl to walk and now they are looking like fools by trying to force a player to stay against their will.

Making him stay would do more damage to our already laughable image as a club than keeping him and letting him poison the dressing room, or waste the money on wages and not playing him all together. Other players will know how poorly the club will treat them when things go wrong and steer clear of the place.


Brem, you hit the nail on the head. Why have long term contracts if there's nothing to stop players wanting to leave every season? We've got all the negatives and none of the positives of contact dealings in our current system. Transfer fees actually force the richer clubs to have to compensate smaller clubs and would level the playing field more than what we have now anyways. It's a joke that they don't allow them IMO.

[Ghost of Plague]

or waste the money on wages and not playing him all together.


Yeah remember the time a player wanted out of their contract and sooked so we let him go but then demanded his outstanding wages on the way out so OUR CLUB PAID HIM.

don't underestimate our clubs ability to always look stupid. Trust the process we'll cock this one up too.

I think your method is righteous and fair and look forward to you supporting the club when they refuse to pay wages for players left out of the match day squad. I mean why pay people to not play right?

[Ghost of Plague]

Legit though transfer fees will go a long way to fixing this the league is stupid for not doing it from day 1.

[Grimario]

but if you have transfer fees then the rich clubs can just poach from the poor clubs!!!!!


Which, of course, is what happens now but without any transfer fees. Just players demanding they be let go and have their contracts mutually terminated, ****ing over the poor clubs.

[mic22]

I swear a few of you kids seem to not know what a contract is. A contract isn't ownership. We don't do slavery anymore, sorry to disappoint a few of you it seems.

I think Ibini is a rubbish player and will be happy when he's gone, but I can't see how he's done anything wrong here. He signed a contract and then the club went and released the only reason he was here within a few weeks. Of course he would want to go, the club (and Lawrie in particular) would have known this when making the decision to allow Carl to walk and now they are looking like fools by trying to force a player to stay against their will.

Making him stay would do more damage to our already laughable image as a club than keeping him and letting him poison the dressing room, or waste the money on wages and not playing him all together. Other players will know how poorly the club will treat them when things go wrong and steer clear of the place.


Brem, you hit the nail on the head. Why have long term contracts if there's nothing to stop players wanting to leave every season? We've got all the negatives and none of the positives of contact dealings in our current system. Transfer fees actually force the richer clubs to have to compensate smaller clubs and would level the playing field more than what we have now anyways. It's a joke that they don't allow them IMO.

If you are not sure what a contract means in professional sport, ask Messi. Or simply, as someone said, try to get out of a contract with a phone company. It's called real life.
Do you think Barca is doing slavery?
Messi wasn't happy to stay, they forced him... I'm sure he's not there mucking around and being a negative influence for the rest of the team: I could bet he's working his ass off every day to win as much as he can.
AKA: being a professional.

Other clubs could afford to let players go because they had alternatives (e.g. Liverpool).
The Jets don't.

Then, if you think Ibini is trash, that's subjective and we'll probably never know.
I think he's one of our best players and he'll be great value. What is the alternative? Kosta?

BTW, should we let Uga go as well?
Because at that stage, other players will feel entitled to go somewhere else because they don't like it here anymore: where does it stop?

[pv4]

Then, if you think Ibini is trash, that's subjective and we'll probably never know.
I think he's one of our best players and he'll be great value. What is the alternative? Kosta?

Speaking of subjective, I do wonder how much people think we pay Ibini to see him as great value.

My opinion is you need only look at the list of clubs & leagues he has been at since first leaving the AL to get an assessment of the wages he has collected in the past to understand what we would have needed to get him here.

My opinion is there are tonnes of excellent alternatives we could pursue if we freed his wages up.

[Alton]

And they are?

[Frodo]

If you are not sure what a contract means in professional sport, ask Messi. Or simply, as someone said, try to get out of a contract with a phone company. It's called real life.
Do you think Barca is doing slavery?
Messi wasn't happy to stay, they forced him... I'm sure he's not there mucking around and being a negative influence for the rest of the team: I could bet he's working his ass off every day to win as much as he can.
AKA: being a professional.

Other clubs could afford to let players go because they had alternatives (e.g. Liverpool).
The Jets don't.

Then, if you think Ibini is trash, that's subjective and we'll probably never know.
I think he's one of our best players and he'll be great value. What is the alternative? Kosta?

BTW, should we let Uga go as well?
Because at that stage, other players will feel entitled to go somewhere else because they don't like it here anymore: where does it stop?



Messi stayed because they agreed to pay off his tax fraud case and he didn't have any offers that enticed him enough to push through with his threat. Oh, and maybe the fact that Messi managed to get rid of the President!! of the club (whom he publicly stated he didn't like) had something to do with him staying, lmao. Brem's Optus contract is closer to Ibini's situation than Messi's.


By all means try again, but you don't have good points to justify keeping Ibini here other than spite from what I have read. Lawrie is a trash CEO, but even he isn't stupid enough to go down the path you are talking about. I just hope he has the brains to capitilise on the situation and asks WSW for a transfer fee. Then Ibini will know how bad they really want him. Maybe the won't think he's worth the money, at which point he knows where he stands and he is most likely keen to stay with us, who have shown that we want him, and play for the team.


I'll also reiterate, if the Jets weren't such a basket case of a club these player's wouldn't want to leave would they? Probably about time we all got the pitch forks out for the caravan enthusiast who's doing his best to rot us out from the inside real quick.

[Jetmaster]

Good reason Messi couldn't leave:


Lionel Messi's contract buyout clause (or release clause) is €700 million (£630m/$825m). The hefty clause was put in place when Messi signed a new four-year contract with Barcelona in 2017. That deal expires in 2021


Someone will go for him in January.


A contract covers current and future employment - there is no 14 days notice like a normal employment contract. Sorry - you either abide by a contract, have exit clauses put in or don't have one. What is the point otherwise as has already been asked? PFA have already backed the Jets in this.


I just hope he has the brains to capitalise on the situation and asks WSW for a transfer fee. There are no transfer fees between A-League clubs yet (the Middleby Ruling), only loan deals.

Players don't read contracts - up to the crooked agent to tell them what is there. Not the Jets fault he didn't think of a Carl clause.

[Frodo]

Good reason Messi couldn't leave:

Barcelona admitted that he can leave at the end of each season as of 2020, their argument was that it upon a set date rather than the actual end of the season. Covid delayed the end of the season to a later date which is why they tried to get La Liga to step in, which they agreed to. Before it went to a court (but after Messi looked at the offers on the table by PSG and City) he decided that he wouldn't push and begun discussing Bartemou's position at the club. Shortly after a vote of no confidence occured, Josep resigned before he could be properly ousted. Not sure how this clusterduck of a situation relates to Ibini though? Both Barca and Messi were correct as of the contract but ultimately we don't know which would have been able to use the contract to get what they want, because Barce bowed to Messi's demands in the end and Messi didn't want to tarnish his status with the club.


There are no transfer fees between A-League clubs yet (the Middleby Ruling), only loan deals.


Obviously you missed the point I was trying to make about asking for a fee. The FFA no longer runs the league, so changes can finally be made. Why not be the first to receive a fee from another A league team? It's obviously going to happen eventually if the league wants to have a second division. Why not get the ball rolling now?



Players don't read contracts - up to the crooked agent to tell them what is there. Not the Jets fault he didn't think of a Carl clause.

If the Jets say to Ibini that Carl is staying and then let him leave shortly after, they have to be prepared to deal with the fall out of Carl's players wanting to follow him. This is why an intelligent club does it's own scouting. Lawrie is too dumb to know how to do this himself and too cheap to pay somebody so he decided to sign as many players from the same agency as he could and didn't think there would be the exact issue happening right now. Even though every single one of us on here with half a brain knew it would. He's a fraud and an idiot and needs to be ran out of town as soon as possible if we want to have a club to support long term.

[mic22]

By all means try again, but you don't have good points to justify keeping Ibini here other than spite from what I have read. Lawrie is a trash CEO, but even he isn't stupid enough to go down the path you are talking about. I just hope he has the brains to capitilise on the situation and asks WSW for a transfer fee. Then Ibini will know how bad they really want him. Maybe the won't think he's worth the money, at which point he knows where he stands and he is most likely keen to stay with us, who have shown that we want him, and play for the team.


So, offer Ibini to Wsw for a fee... that would really show how much the Jets wants him, then he'll be happy to stay.
I give up. You win.

[380]

Barcelona admitted that he can leave at the end of each season as of 2020, their argument was that it upon a set date rather than the actual end of the season. Covid delayed the end of the season to a later date which is why they tried to get La Liga to step in, which they agreed to. Before it went to a court (but after Messi looked at the offers on the table by PSG and City) he decided that he wouldn't push and begun discussing Bartemou's position at the club. Shortly after a vote of no confidence occured, Josep resigned before he could be properly ousted. Not sure how this clusterduck of a situation relates to Ibini though? Both Barca and Messi were correct as of the contract but ultimately we don't know which would have been able to use the contract to get what they want, because Barce bowed to Messi's demands in the end and Messi didn't want to tarnish his status with the club.




Obviously you missed the point I was trying to make about asking for a fee. The FFA no longer runs the league, so changes can finally be made. Why not be the first to receive a fee from another A league team? It's obviously going to happen eventually if the league wants to have a second division. Why not get the ball rolling now?




If the Jets say to Ibini that Carl is staying and then let him leave shortly after, they have to be prepared to deal with the fall out of Carl's players wanting to follow him. This is why an intelligent club does it's own scouting. Lawrie is too dumb to know how to do this himself and too cheap to pay somebody so he decided to sign as many players from the same agency as he could and didn't think there would be the exact issue happening right now. Even though every single one of us on here with half a brain knew it would. He's a fraud and an idiot and needs to be ran out of town as soon as possible if we want to have a club to support long term.

So help me here.

Are you suggesting we should let Bernie go because he does not want to be here or because you think contracts don't need to be worth the paper they are written on ?.

[Frodo]

So help me here.

Are you suggesting we should let Bernie go because he does not want to be here or because you think contracts don't need to be worth the paper they are written on ?.

Because he doesn't want to be here and is clearly agitating for a move. He refuses to play and there can't be any good in keeping him IMO.

But I am angry at the contract being worth nothing and want transfer fees allowed straight away separately. This whole notion of Sydney FC just buying all the best players because of fees is nonsense, they already do it by working around the cap. Transfer fees are there to help the poorer teams develop talent, not the other way around.

[Frodo]

So, offer Ibini to Wsw for a fee... that would really show how much the Jets wants him, then he'll be happy to stay.
I give up. You win.

We showed him we want by offering him a deal when no one else would, then again when we offered him an extension and then again when we refused to let him go to WSW straight away. We've shown our intentions and he's told us he isn't interested as he thinks he can do better. The little quip about WSW showing they want him was very inconsequential to the entire point being made but it still makes sense if you think about it with a level head.

[Jetmaster]

I give up. You win.

I'm with you - where are we drinking?

[The Dunster]

Ibini should be angry with his management not the Jets. It wasn't the Jets that failed to put a clause in the contract allowing Ibini to leave if Robinson went to another club.
Ibini needs to either harden the **** up or get himself a new management team.

[The Dunster]

Speaking of subjective, I do wonder how much people think we pay Ibini to see him as great value.

My opinion is you need only look at the list of clubs & leagues he has been at since first leaving the AL to get an assessment of the wages he has collected in the past to understand what we would have needed to get him here.

My opinion is there are tonnes of excellent alternatives we could pursue if we freed his wages up.

I agree.

He was on $434k / $US304k per season in 2018 @ Vancouver. For that he played 25 games and scored one goal.
He was grossly overpaid and given the situation that eventuated at Vancouver it's no wonder questions were being asked of Robinson and his player manager mate.
If the Jets are paying him even half that they need to offload him sooner rather than later.

[Bon]

Ibini should be angry with his management not the Jets. It wasn't the Jets that failed to put a clause in the contract allowing Ibini to leave if Robinson went to another club.
Ibini needs to either harden the **** up or get himself a new management team.

I agree with this.

[mic22]

Also, realistically:
- whether you think he's trash or not, we don't have a valid alternative within the team;
- one month before a-league starts, there's no chance to get anyone from overseas (COVID etc);
- the only way would be a "loan exchange" with another a-league team, or magically find an a-league level forward from a NPL team: can anyone think of names? (I can't)

[pv4]

- one month before a-league starts, there's no chance to get anyone from overseas (COVID etc);

Most other clubs are still importing players.

[pv4]

And they are?

https://www.transfermarkt.com/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=14&land_id=alle&altersklasse=&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=alle&yt0=Show

[anfield]

I can't believe the Ibini saga is still dragging on, let's get rid of him and move on.
There is plenty of young NPL players that would give 100% for the Jets. Jez Lofthouse from Olympic FC in Brisbane is one player that deserves an opportunity. Winger who can score and create.

[turbojetfireV8]

https://www.facebook.com/newcastlejetsfc/photos/a.210049632342247/5266960416651118/

had something else on so couldn't go to the Edgy match, but it says one of the trialists' last name was Abbas - anyone know if that's Ali?

[Jetmaster]

https://www.facebook.com/newcastlejetsfc/photos/a.210049632342247/5266960416651118/

had something else on so couldn't go to the Edgy match, but it says one of the trialists' last name was Abbas - anyone know if that's Ali?

Yep ...heard it was him too, but wasnt I there either.

[The Dunster]

Spencer Prior not on the list - is he injured ?

[My2BobsWorth]

If only Bernie could earn the respect that Ali has in these parts, we could have a good year

[Jeterpool]

Herald article today confirms Ali Abbas is trialing with the club

[Tommyjet]

Herald article today confirms Ali Abbas is trialing with the club

Doesn't appear to have played much in the last 4-5 seasons

[380]

Call me cynical but i reckon a deal will be done to acquire the club 5 mins to midnight before the new season. The timing providing new owners with an excuse to write this season off and thus not fund a reasonable squad for this season.

Given Ug was quoted as " not wanting to be part of another rebuild " and there was commentary around this current mob of Sydney businessman sending a rep up some many weeks ago now to talk to the players and there vision you would think if there was any sense of urgency to get cracking on investing in this years squad the handover would have been done by now.

Between the ownership situation and the non auto renewal process for past members i can see a <5000 membership total this season.

[Frodo]

Call me cynical but i reckon a deal will be done to acquire the club 5 mins to midnight before the new season. The timing providing new owners with an excuse to write this season off and thus not fund a reasonable squad for this season.

Given Ug was quoted as " not wanting to be part of another rebuild " and there was commentary around this current mob of Sydney businessman sending a rep up some many weeks ago now to talk to the players and there vision you would think if there was any sense of urgency to get cracking on investing in this years squad the handover would have been done by now.

Between the ownership situation and the non auto renewal process for past members i can see a <5000 membership total this season.

Everyday the "new owners" wait to purchase the club, the price drops. They'll wait until we are on the cusp of folding before signing the deal, as any smart business would do.

But that's if there is anyone willing to buy us at all.

[JSom]

Call me cynical but i reckon a deal will be done to acquire the club 5 mins to midnight before the new season. The timing providing new owners with an excuse to write this season off and thus not fund a reasonable squad for this season.

Given Ug was quoted as " not wanting to be part of another rebuild " and there was commentary around this current mob of Sydney businessman sending a rep up some many weeks ago now to talk to the players and there vision you would think if there was any sense of urgency to get cracking on investing in this years squad the handover would have been done by now.

Between the ownership situation and the non auto renewal process for past members i can see a <5000 membership total this season.

You are not cynical. Now I also do not understand what is happening in the world in general. If there is a mess in all areas, it is not surprising that this has affected sports as well. It seems to me that the priorities have partially shifted and there is already more attention to health and safety, maintaining your business than developing sports.

[Jardelsimage]

Herald article today confirms Ali Abbas is trialing with the club

they are kidding, right!

[Alton]

they are kidding, right!

This cannot be true

[pv4]

Most other clubs are still importing players.

To follow this up..

ADL just signed Javi Lopez, who has been captain of Espanyol for 5 years.

MV just signed Rudy Gestede from Middlesbrough.

[The Hacker]

To follow this up..

ADL just signed Javi Lopez, who has been captain of Espanyol for 5 years.

MV just signed Rudy Gestede from Middlesbrough.

And the Jets sign Ali Abbas from retirement. Go Jets

[Tommyjet]

If the rumours are true about ownership having arthur pappas lined up to take over i can imagine pappas being keen to leave ange's side in the j-league without assurances to bring in some decent foriegners

[anfield]

Big step up if a couple of the trialists get contracts, Selden playing Canberra NPL and Jack Armson playing NPL2 with Bonnyrigg. He must have went well against the Jets

[Tommyjet]

As much as I loved watching ali abbas in his first stint with us, I'm not a fan of having him taking minutes off the development of a jack Simmons or someone similar

[Alton]

Taggart sorted yet?

[Frodo]

There are some weak reports that Jack Duncan and Valentino Yuel will be signed up soon. As well as new owners but that can stay in the appropriate thread.

[Grimario]

This the same thing that was on The Roar earlier this week? Duncan, Yuel, Melb consortium, Papas as coach?

[Tommyjet]

There are some weak reports that Jack Duncan and Valentino Yuel will be signed up soon. As well as new owners but that can stay in the appropriate thread.
You be out of service or something

[mic22]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/7038714/a-league-jets-look-to-bring-in-firepower-from-overseas/?cs=7580

What does it say?

[Grimario]

https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/7038714/a-league-jets-look-to-bring-in-firepower-from-overseas/?cs=7580

What does it say?

SFA.

OPERATIONS manager Joel Griffiths believes the Jets are a little light on firepower and is compiling a shortlist of potential targets to present to the new coach.

Valentino Yuel has impressed in pre-season and is almost certain to be added to a strike force headed by proven goal-scorer Roy O'Donovan, Olyroos playmaker Ramy Najjarine and and Kosta Petratos.
Wantaway striker Bernie Ibini is expected to be on deck at training on Thursday. The Jets have refused to release Ibini from the final year of his contract, which would open the door for the 28-year-old to reunite with coach Carl Robinson, who left the Jets two months again and joined Western Sydney. Ibini had been in talks with a club in Thailand and may still move overseas during the January transfer window.The Jets have at least two places on the roster and chunk of the salary cap available."We are looking for players higher up the park," Griffiths said. "I would like to have those players fill the foreign spots. It gives us a little bit more firepower and takes a little bit of pressure off Roy. "There are guys who can do jobs. Ramy has impressed me. Val has impressed me probably the most. How good would it be to have some options that are different to what we have?"I feel we are a little bit light on, especially if Bernie goes overseas. If Bernie stays, great."There are no shortage of players wanting to come to Australia. It's about finding the right ones and doing the due diligence.Is he mobile, can he defend in a certain way, can he press,does he speak English, what's the visa situation ... We are communicating with the potential coaches regularly and keeping them informed."A coach is expected to be appointed once the ownership is finalised in mid December.It's unclear if Ibini intends to play out the season or is fulfilling contract obligations before a move overseas. "He has his reasons [for wanting to leave]. We have our reasons for not releasing him," Griffiths said. "We have to look after the club. It is about principle now. Everyone is looking at how we handle this situation - not just the players in our team, but players who are out on loan and payers at other clubs. It's very important that we stand our ground.

"All Bernie needs to do is play well for the Jets and he can leave at the end of the season." The Jets are awaiting a decision from Shewsbury Town on whether they intend to buy out the final six months of Matt Millar's contract.

The right wingback joined the League One club on-loan in October and has expressed a desire to stay.

Under the loan agreement, Shewsbury Town had until December 1 to take up the option. Millar's loan deal ends on December 31. He has scored two goals in six appearances. Complicating the matter, Shrewsbury Town appointed a new manager, Steve Cotterill, last Friday

[Jeterpool]

No Bernie at training again today according to Mitch Hughes on Twitter

[StannyCFCJET]

No Bernie at training again today according to Mitch Hughes on Twitter

Stood down without pay time

[mic22]

Thank you for posting :)


We have our reasons for not releasing him," Griffiths said. "We have to look after the club. It is about principle now. Everyone is looking at how we handle this situation - not just the players in our team, but players who are out on loan and payers at other clubs. It's very important that we stand our ground.

"All Bernie needs to do is play well for the Jets and he can leave at the end of the season."

I like this.
Principles, and showing some balls.

So, is Ibini going to be released this week or the next?

[turbojetfireV8]

NBN reckons Jets have let Langlois go, seems a bit odd, thought the squad was thin enough as it was without getting rid of youngsters on less coin that are still developing but handy as back-ups

[The Hacker]

NBN reckons Jets have let Langlois go, seems a bit odd, thought the squad was thin enough as it was without getting rid of youngsters on less coin that are still developing but handy as back-ups

Thought the exact same thing when I heard

[Thomas477]

Typical for us to let players go before even appointing a coach

[The Hacker]

Abbas nabbed a goal yesterday makes it a bit more interesting on if he stays

[The Dunster]

NBN reckons Jets have let Langlois go, seems a bit odd, thought the squad was thin enough as it was without getting rid of youngsters on less coin that are still developing but handy as back-ups

He's managed by Avid i.e Carl Robinsons player management group of choice as is Ibini, Millar, Donachie, Johnny K, and the Petratos bros.
We have too many players as it is represented by Avid -one less is a good thing.

It's not a case of being against Avid - it's a case of any management firm with that many players at one club simply has too much control / countervailing power over the club.

[StannyCFCJET]

He's managed by Avid i.e Carl Robinsons player management group of choice as is Ibini, Millar, Donachie, Johnny K, and the Petratos bros.
We have too many players as it is represented by Avid -one less is a good thing.

It's not a case of being against Avid - it's a case of any management firm with that many players at one club simply has too much control / countervailing power over the club.

Plus he wasn't really gonna get a look in unless crazy injuries

[pv4]

He's managed by Avid i.e Carl Robinsons player management group of choice as is Ibini, Millar, Donachie, Johnny K, and the Petratos bros.
We have too many players as it is represented by Avid -one less is a good thing.

It's not a case of being against Avid - it's a case of any management firm with that many players at one club simply has too much control / countervailing power over the club.

The one-agency setup can work for clubs - like Wolves in England.

It can also destroy a club, like we're basically seeing here. Arsenal are borderline doing it also right now, for terrible results.

It makes complete sense for a club like the Jerks to engage in this strategy, as it means their thinly resourced off-field staff have less work to do. I can absolutely see why Lawrie subscribed to it - rightly or wrongly.

[skullboy]

Looks like Millar is coming back and he has impressed some fans over there. Looks like the club is again showing some balls and not getting pushed around. How many surprising things have I mentioned?

https://blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/101124/matt-millar-return-newcastle-jets

[The Hacker]

Looks like Millar is coming back and he has impressed some fans over there. Looks like the club is again showing some balls and not getting pushed around. How many surprising things have I mentioned?

https://blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/101124/matt-millar-return-newcastle-jets

I think that if they offer the transfer fee anytime between now and Dec 31 we should take it. Otherwise his contract runs out in 6 months and we get zero for him when he goes back

[Grimario]

Valentino Yuel signed on for 2 years.
Pretty optimistic to think we will be here for a second year tbh.

[Grimario]

Mustafa Amini has announced he is returning to Australia... if we have to put up with a Gypo overlord and a squad full of gypos, we should at least get some of the good ones, right? Bring him in, Lawrie and Lord Griff.

[The Dunster]

Mustafa Amini has announced he is returning to Australia... if we have to put up with a Gypo overlord and a squad full of gypos, we should at least get some of the good ones, right? Bring him in, Lawrie and Lord Griff.

He's from Western Sydney so WSW or Macquarie would probably be his preference.

[Alton]

Mustafa Amini has announced he is returning to Australia... if we have to put up with a Gypo overlord and a squad full of gypos, we should at least get some of the good ones, right? Bring him in, Lawrie and Lord Griff.

Like it, I doubt WSW would fit him in at this late stage

[Alton]

Yuel looked ok against Roar in trial at Coffs.

[Jetmaster]

Good presentation by Lawrie and the last two minutes are the best overview of the Ibini situation you will hear.

"I can't wait till he's away from this club"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88kNb4gRrVM&feature=youtu.be

[Jeterpool]

Good presentation by Lawrie and the last two minutes are the best overview of the Ibini situation you will hear.

"I can't wait till he's away from this club"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88kNb4gRrVM&feature=youtu.be

And with that comment from Lawrie now out there...Ibini and the Union have leverage.

[StannyCFCJET]

And with that comment from Lawrie now out there...Ibini and the Union have leverage.

Do they? I reckon they have no leverage unless Ibini was training from the off

[Bremsstrahlung]

Thought the same thing Jeterpool.
thought there must have been a Q and A at the end. But nope, he just launched into players, naming mr Ibini, fraudulently claiming to have mental health issues and how wrong it is.

Interesting points:
- an online GP gave him a mental health certificate/assessment
- he failed a medical in Middle East
- we made him get clearance before he returned to training
-he trains like a “busted ass”
- he’s the highest paid player

[pv4]

Backtracking a tiny bit..


Speaking of subjective, I do wonder how much people think we pay Ibini to see him as great value.


I agree.

He was on $434k / $US304k per season in 2018 @ Vancouver. For that he played 25 games and scored one goal.
He was grossly overpaid and given the situation that eventuated at Vancouver it's no wonder questions were being asked of Robinson and his player manager mate.
If the Jets are paying him even half that they need to offload him sooner rather than later.

Dunst - looks like we have had a form of closure on our concerns. I think Stanny was pretty keen on knowing this too.

If you choose to believe Lawrie's direct words, as seen in the last two minutes of the below video, Bernie is our highest paid player.


Good presentation by Lawrie and the last two minutes are the best overview of the Ibini situation you will hear.

"I can't wait till he's away from this club"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88kNb4gRrVM&feature=youtu.be

[pv4]

Interesting points:
- an online GP gave him a mental health certificate/assessment
- we made him get clearance before he returned to training


I found these very interesting, and also how Lawrie said 3 players in the league are doing this. I find it fair to assume Max Burgess is one of them. This, of course, if you choose to believe the direct words from Lawrie.

[Bremsstrahlung]

He’s also represented by Avid

[noremac]

Funny how many are with Avid.. also Patrick Langlois who is rumoured to have left?
still a few jets players on the books

[Jeterpool]

Do they? I reckon they have no leverage unless Ibini was training from the off

Absolutely they do!!

We've been saying we want him as part of the team for this season. Now our CEO says we want him out.

If I'm the Union or his agent I'm walking straight in there and saying "You want my client out? Pay him out and release him".

The tide has turned - Ibini wanted out, we wanted him to stay. Now there's account that the one most likely to be negotiating wants him out...all our argument has gone.

[Grimario]

Imagine that coming from the CEO, ffs. This club is so amateurish that it could get an account on the PH Community section.

[380]

I am no Lawrie fan but all i got from that was he questioned the seriousness of the situation if the person seeking help seeked it from a online source.

I think its reasonable to think if somebody needs that type of help in there lives then personal face to face qualified intervention is the best avenue to go down not some Dr Google with a Dr's chit book at a price and your credit card details.

[Grimario]

I am no Lawrie fan but all i got from that was he questioned the seriousness of the situation if the person seeking help seeked it from a online source.

I think its reasonable to think if somebody needs that type of help in there lives then personal face to face qualified intervention is the best avenue to go down not some Dr Google with a Dr's chit book at a price and your credit card details.

To be fair, Lawrie is a dinosaur, so questioning the modern world and things like the "internet" isn't that surprising.

[StannyCFCJET]

Absolutely they do!!

We've been saying we want him as part of the team for this season. Now our CEO says we want him out.

If I'm the Union or his agent I'm walking straight in there and saying "You want my client out? Pay him out and release him".

The tide has turned - Ibini wanted out, we wanted him to stay. Now there's account that the one most likely to be negotiating wants him out...all our argument has gone.

Ibini has been way more unprofessional then a comment from Lawrie surely.

[pv4]

I am no Lawrie fan but all i got from that was he questioned the seriousness of the situation if the person seeking help seeked it from a online source.

I think its reasonable to think if somebody needs that type of help in there lives then personal face to face qualified intervention is the best avenue to go down not some Dr Google with a Dr's chit book at a price and your credit card details.

Assuming I've translated Lawrie's direct words correctly, errors and omissions excepted:
- "When people take the piss, it's wrong, because it affects so many people and so many families because it's real"
- "his mental health issues disappeared"
- "all of a sudden he was healthy"
- "three players using it in the league at the moment, and it is disgraceful"
- "there are certain agents in the world who are advising people to use that mental health thing and I think it is disrespectful to anybody who suffers from anxiety, depression, and stuff like that, because that's real."
- "That's bullshit, what he's done, and I can't wait until he's away from this club and out of the place because you don't want fxxxers like that in Newcastle representing the club"

My interpretation of all that is Lawrie is much more than simply questioning the seriousness of it. There are direct accusations towards Bernie and two other players in the league by Lawrie there, is how I read it. Again, I stress, this is all if you are to believe the words that Lawrie says.

I am really interested in how the herald run this story tomorrow.

[Jeterpool]

Ibini has been way more unprofessional then a comment from Lawrie surely.

Perhaps, but this has lowered him from the moral high ground and professional stance the club were/are taking. There wasn't a public chink in our armour. Now there is and Bernie, his agent and the PFA can, should and likely will exploit this.

If I were in their position, I would be!

[StannyCFCJET]

Perhaps, but this has lowered him from the moral high ground and professional stance the club were/are taking. There wasn't a public chink in our armour. Now there is and Bernie, his agent and the PFA can, should and likely will exploit this.

If I were in their position, I would be!

Oh wells he ****off back overseas then. Wanderers just got Troisi so wouldn't have much dosh left

[380]

To be fair, Lawrie is a dinosaur, so questioning the modern world and things like the "internet" isn't that surprising.

I get that but if and if being the operative word here individuals are being encouraged to seek help online for mental health issues just who is being derelict in regards to duty of care ?.

If somebody from Bernies camp has encouraged the bloke to go down that path they are either taking the piss in a pretty disgusting manner or literally failing Bernie in every way as both a client and person if he were to be really struggling to cope.

[The Dunster]

Just a hypothetical statement here not relating to any agency, club or players.

Three players handled by same management agency.
All three Looking to get out of their current contracts
All three citing mental health issues.
All diagnosed by the same online doctor.

Could be legit. Could be strategic. Could Be fraudulent.

[The Dunster]

To be fair, Lawrie is a dinosaur, so questioning the modern world and things like the "internet" isn't that surprising.

He's six years younger than Bill Gates and 11 years younger than Steve Wozniak.

You can sling shit at boomers all you like but they are still the puppet masters pulling the strings.

[Ghost of Plague]

What a sad, bitter man he is. Absolute joke he is in a position of power in any organisation in this country.

[pv4]

Just a hypothetical statement here not relating to any agency, club or players.

Three players handled by same management agency.
All three Looking to get out of their current contracts
All three citing mental health issues.
All diagnosed by the same online doctor.

Could be legit. Could be strategic. Could Be fraudulent.

In this hypothetical scenario one would hope due diligence, including but not limited to, Google searches were performed before engaging this agent as a prime source of involvement for your club. It sounds like an instance where prior warning is available. Hypothetically.

[R Ramjet]

Even when Lawrie is trying to be funny, he is not funny !
Even when Lawrie is trying to be intelligent, he is not intelligent !
Even when Lawrie is trying to be professional, he is not professional !
Even when Lawrie is trying to be factual, he is not factual !

He is embarrassing the club and its fans in the position of CEO.
His capabilities are more suited to media manager instead of running the club.
I'm sure Ernie Merrick could tell a few good stories of how inept Lawrie is at running a club !

[The Dunster]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/stress-leave-ibini-s-emotional-welfare-at-stake-in-bitter-jets-dispute


“We’re hoping the Jets reconsider and resume negotiations with him,” said Hardy.

“In addition to losing their head coach the club also let four of their best players go in Dimi Petratos, James Donachie, Matt Millar and Nick Fitzgerald, and that has raised a lot of questions in Bernie’s mind.”

Avid let Ibini down not the club,
They represented these players that left and the coach.
It appears Ibini had no idea what was going on either with respect to the player and coach exodus.
Why didn't Avid look after him ?

[The Dunster]

Lawrie would gladly trade places with Ibini. All Ibini has to do is turn up and play. Lawrie has to try and run a football club with an owner who hasn't put a cent into the club for over a year.
I'm not pro Lawrie either but he's been thrown into a very bad situation and his frustration is showing.
As far as wanting to leave and not being able to both Lawrie and Bernie might have a bit more in common than they realise.

[Jetmaster]

Geez, the McKinna Derangement Syndrome is rife on here!

[Frodo]

Two words.

Coastie Scum.


Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[Bremsstrahlung]

So it appears Lawrie doesn’t really want Ibini around. Which kind of makes the clubs thoughts on this a bit clearer.
(Up until now we have been assuming/speculating that we may really want him to stay and force him to stay)
Seems we are just making it all very difficult for him, for the sake of it atm. Which I don’t think I’m totally opposed to in this situation. Next season is another write off, no coach, no money, owner doesn’t want us, players leaving/left so we may as well dig our heels in about a player trying to break contract. Maybe Ibini is just caught in a little feud between Jets and Avid.

When push comes to shove, I daresay 95% of people would happily part company with our clubs highest earner and spend that money elsewhere. Hoping lawrie isn’t in the 5%.
If I was Ibini, if it came to this, I’d be turning up to training and putting the cones out and collecting my pay check for 6 months. Would be pretty amusing to see him backflip.

[pv4]

Unless I have missed it, not a single mention of this and Lawrie's quotes in today's herald. Speaks volumes to me.

[Frodo]

Twitter saying Bernie is being released today. We might get some financial compensation for him. He'll sign with WSW as expected.

[The Dunster]

Unless I have missed it, not a single mention of this and Lawrie's quotes in today's herald. Speaks volumes to me.

The deal was probably all ready done when Lawrie made his speech. It just hadn't been announced yet.

[Bremsstrahlung]

The deal was probably all ready done when Lawrie made his speech. It just hadn't been announced yet.

Makes sense.
Seemed like we had no intention of keeping him. But proved a point that we wouldn’t just roll over and let players leave.
Players seem to hold all the cars in terms of agitating moves though.

[Frodo]

Players seem to hold all the cars in terms of agitating moves though.

Which makes sense. You hold all the cards with your own employment, if you don't want to work somewhere you can leave and find work elsewhere, why shouldn't players be able to?

If we allowed transfer fees there'd be absolutely no issue here. He wants to leave, all we do is tell his agent to go find him a club and they can pay his market value. Player wins, we get compensated and don't have a poisonous attitude in the dressing room and other team gets player they want. As long as you limit the fees you pay the agent everything works out in the end.

[380]

Twitter saying Bernie is being released today. We might get some financial compensation for him. He'll sign with WSW as expected.

On wankerers forum we will be compensated.

Just what value do you put on a bloke who knocks up after 50min and has stuffed hammies ?.

[Couscous]

What's with all the garbage posts here bagging out McKinna's comments, thereby implicitly defending that sack of manure Ibini?

[Jeterpool]

What's with all the garbage posts here bagging out McKinna's comments, thereby implicitly defending that sack of manure Ibini?

The comments were made at the time while Ibini, as far as we knew, was still in our future. In that context, it is fair they were called out.

[mic22]

He can bring his sorry stressed unprofessional *** somewhere else.
And good luck with his mental health - that was absolutely disgraceful.

I don't know how the Jets can be compensated if there are no transfer fees?

This comes 2 weeks after the declaration of the "principles" from Jets management... I really don't know what to think

[The Hacker]

He can bring his sorry stressed unprofessional *** somewhere else.
And good luck with his mental health - that was absolutely disgraceful.

I don't know how the Jets can be compensated if there are no transfer fees?

This comes 2 weeks after the declaration of the "principles" from Jets management... I really don't know what to think

Are player swaps allowed in lieu of transfer fee

[Grimario]

He can bring his sorry stressed unprofessional *** somewhere else.
And good luck with his mental health - that was absolutely disgraceful.

I don't know how the Jets can be compensated if there are no transfer fees?

This comes 2 weeks after the declaration of the "principles" from Jets management... I really don't know what to think

Suggestions on other social media that he paid out his contract.

Jerks confirmed - https://www.newcastlejets.com.au/news/a-league-ibini-departs


The club has received compensation after the player bought out the remainder of his contract.

“We want to have players at our Club who want to be here and play for the jersey” said CEO, Lawrie McKinna

[Couscous]

That is the most glorious club statement I have seen. No hollow praise, no transparent lies.

👍🏼

[Jetmaster]

Unless I have missed it, not a single mention of this and Lawrie's quotes in today's herald. Speaks volumes to me.

Mate - this speech was three weeks ago, why would it be a story now?

All done anyway.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Does he need a lift?

[Mark325]

I imagine it'll be too late to sign a big name with the money we just got back from ibini

is there gonna be a mid season transfer? woud we be able to sign someone in that window

[Tommyjet]

I imagine it'll be too late to sign a big name with the money we just got back from ibini

is there gonna be a mid season transfer? woud we be able to sign someone in that window

Plenty of foreign free agents around

[380]

I imagine it'll be too late to sign a big name with the money we just got back from ibini

is there gonna be a mid season transfer? woud we be able to sign someone in that window

You can pretty much forget this season. No recognized #10, A squad not even big enough to have a different player a day to promote the A League kick off countdown. Will have more spare chairs than players to fill the seats ( bench ) on the sideline. A permanent part time coaching staff with a bloke incharge who has said clearly he does not want the job.

I am tipping Ug is not the only remaining player who has had a gutful. Throw in the non auto renewal of memberships this season that i would bet my house on has severely impacted membership numbers by the thousands and you have a total cluster root of a situation.

Time to put this dying shit show out of its misery and hand a spot over to Wollongong or the ACT.

[StannyCFCJET]

You can pretty much forget this season. No recognized #10, A squad not even big enough to have a different player a day to promote the A League kick off countdown. Will have more spare chairs than players to fill the seats ( bench ) on the sideline. A permanent part time coaching staff with a bloke incharge who has said clearly he does not want the job.

I am tipping Ug is not the only remaining player who has had a gutful. Throw in the non auto renewal of memberships this season that i would bet my house on has severely impacted membership numbers by the thousands and you have a total cluster root of a situation.

Time to put this dying shit show out of its misery and hand a spot over to Wollongong or the ACT.

Off you go, Support someone else then

[Jeterpool]

I imagine it'll be too late to sign a big name with the money we just got back from ibini

is there gonna be a mid season transfer? woud we be able to sign someone in that window

Any money should go to paying off debt

[The Hacker]

If we happen to get a result against the Phoenix it all of a sudden isn’t the worst preseason performance wise

[380]

Off you go, Support someone else then

I been going to United games as far back as the gardens so jog on.

The end game here is a strong domestic competition is it not ?. You want a comp carrying basket cases just so we can be involved, I got news for you sunshine have a look at the decline in the standard of the competition and the level of interest that standard is creating. It is this standard and declining interest that is reducing revenues and proving to be a monumental drain on clubs finances.

There is only one KPI by my reckoning that justifies us having a team in the sports premier competition and that is the loyalty of the ever resilient supporters but even that at some point is not enough.

At the end of the day the game comes first and for the premier comp in this country to do well clubs like ours and the scum down the road need to do better or be justifiably left behind.

Maybe 12 months out of the comp would have been a good thing, Get our overlord situation sorted and make a raft of changes off the field to generate additional revenue through sponsorships. A full 12 months to target some handy Visa players and local talent. We have left our run way too late for this season re Visa players with issues like available flights, arranging a spot in what is proving to be high demand quarantine spots and then getting them up to speed fitness wise.

Sometimes you just got to call it for what it is, Bit hard to fix shit if you don't want to acknowledge it.

[StannyCFCJET]

I been going to United games as far back as the gardens so jog on.

The end game here is a strong domestic competition is it not ?. You want a comp carrying basket cases just so we can be involved, I got news for you sunshine have a look at the decline in the standard of the competition and the level of interest that standard is creating. It is this standard and declining interest that is reducing revenues and proving to be a monumental drain on clubs finances.

There is only one KPI by my reckoning that justifies us having a team in the sports premier competition and that is the loyalty of the ever resilient supporters but even that at some point is not enough.

At the end of the day the game comes first and for the premier comp in this country to do well clubs like ours and the scum down the road need to do better or be justifiably left behind.

Maybe 12 months out of the comp would have been a good thing, Get our overlord situation sorted and make a raft of changes off the field to generate additional revenue through sponsorships. A full 12 months to target some handy Visa players and local talent. We have left our run way too late for this season re Visa players with issues like available flights, arranging a spot in what is proving to be high demand quarantine spots and then getting them up to speed fitness wise.

Sometimes you just got to call it for what it is, Bit hard to fix shit if you don't want to acknowledge it.

Ive acknowledged it but still backing my team. You sound like you've given up

[380]

If the status quo remains there is no team.

This club needs the broom put through it if it is to succeed. With all due respect to our CEO i don't want a CEO who is more at home discussing football matters, I want my CEO having very strong business acumen and come from a solid background in business management. I want the people charged with the responsibilities for the clubs revenues and financial viability to be business people first and football people a very distant second.

Does the club even employ an individual with comprehensive proven success in Business Development Management so that they together with a CEO with the experience i listed above can leverage past and present contacts in the commercial world to create revenue opportunities ?. I want somebody like our current CEO at the club but it must be in a position best suited to his abilities. Getting the right people in to fill these roles is just as important as finding a new overlord, My fear is if we have a disastrous season ( Stubbins like ) that will be the final nail in the coffin. There will not be any coming back from that. 12 months out like some at FFA suggested with some light at the end of the tunnel and the right people in the right roles relevant to there past employment skills is a lot more palatable.

[Frodo]

Get rid of the cancer that is the current Newcastle Jets and start again, a Phoenix club, utilising a community ownership model.

Plenty of different ways to do it. There's already talk of scraping license fees anyway now that they want a second division. 10k fans at $300 a share is $3 million. Should be enough to start an A League 2 level side and build from there.

Otherwise we might need to split ownership of the club between an investor and community shares.

Whatever we do we need to make sure the shareholders/members get a say in what happens each year and can vote the board members out when we aren't happy. Make them actually work for us for a change instead of some rich owner who's only using us as a play thing that can be thrown away too easily.

[My2BobsWorth]

You and 380 need to get off the Gollum green, back on the Gandalf gold. mmmmmmmmmm tastes good

[Guerny]

meh... i've been following "the newcastle team" since the gardens days too.
I'm stoked we've got a team in the top tier competition, but even if that team were in a second tier competition i'd still be supporting them.
I swear the atmosphere at the gardens was always better than "Hunter Stadium" though, maybe its just because that was the good old days, maybe it was the full strength beer + spirits...

I'd like to see any new management have a view to revenue being based on more than just memberships, sponsorship, ticket + merchandise sales:
* venue ownership?
* pre game / post game hospitality revenue (drinks, meals, transport)
* a commercial training / academy offering (even if just a licensed brand name / franchise scenario)
* take better advantage of visiting supporters (transport, accommodation, meals, bulk ticketing packages, subsidiary activities)
* club share holding?
* corporate referral exchange
* branded digital currency
* pyramid schemes
* tax havens
* black market slavery
* dark web drug sales

[My2BobsWorth]

Commonly known as the Wanderers model

[My2BobsWorth]

“We were working with the PFA, which was great. The PFA have been very supportive of the club. To finish up we came to an agreement, there was compensation paid to Bernie to us to get out of his contract and we released him two days ago and miraculously he got a new deal through the Wanderers
Fux article, what a difference 2 letters make

[The Dunster]

Any money should go to paying off debt

Steady on we have a reputation to uphold.

[Grimario]

Duncan has signed.

https://www.newcastlejets.com.au/news/a-league-duncan-commits-202021-season

[380]

We signing a recognized #10 or we just going without this season ?.

[Clarkey]

From what I've seen from a few of the trials they seem to be happy with Najjarine playing there and having Thurgate and Abbas (If he gets signed) covering.

[380]

From what I've seen from a few of the trials they seem to be happy with Najjarine playing there and having Thurgate and Abbas (If he gets signed) covering.

We all know what a dogs breakfast this club is off the field but with respect to those players you listed that also demonstrates just what a clusterroot we are on it.

[Clarkey]

We all know what a dogs breakfast this club is off the field but with respect to those players you listed that also demonstrates just what a clusterroot we are on it.

The fact I have to say "if he gets signed" and we play our first league game in nine days, is one of many red flags going into this season.

[Tommyjet]

Mckinnas recent statements coming back to bite him. Ugars agent now claiming double standards in allowing ibini to pay out his contract and leaving but not Stevie.

[Guerny]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/it-s-a-double-standard-ugarkovic-frustration-as-jets-tell-want-away-midfielder-he-must-stay

[Frodo]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/it-s-a-double-standard-ugarkovic-frustration-as-jets-tell-want-away-midfielder-he-must-stay

Wonder how Lawrie is going to spin this sedate the idiots who still think he is half competent enough to justify his job.

Not only is the club doing nothing to find any new players to fill the giant holes we have in our current roster (wages are still paid by the tv deal so there's no savings to be made whilst under the cap) they are trying to trash the entire playing groups relationship with the club by pissing off one of the most respected member of the team and blatantly lying to everyone.


At least we are almost at the end of Lawrie's tenure no matter what. Either a new owner comes in and kicks his fat arse to the curb or we are put out of our misery and fold.

[Alton]

Where is Amini?

[belchardo]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/it-s-a-double-standard-ugarkovic-frustration-as-jets-tell-want-away-midfielder-he-must-stay

i'll be gutted when he ends up at WSW.

[Alton]

i'll be gutted when he ends up at WSW.

This exodus has to stop

[Frodo]

This exodus has to stop

We have a sinking ship, only a horrible person would begrudge players who've given us plenty of effort and desire wanting to leave. We have to accept that our best case scenario is to keep our club afloat next season. We should be able to fill the squad with NPL players, as well as the few first teamers we have left and try to avoid the spoon. Uga isn't a huge loss compared to the entire club folding is it?

[Bremsstrahlung]

You know, I have a double standard in my opinion.
I think the club were right to make ibini’s life difficult. He was just being a spoilt brat.

Uga seems frustrated. The comment he made a while ago that sticks with me is “i don’t want to be part of another rebuild”. I can empathise that he has persevered through promises of a new horizon almost every season.

I wouldn’t begrudge him if he left.

Ibini on the other hand...booooooooooo

[belchardo]

You know, I have a double standard in my opinion.
I think the club were right to make ibini’s life difficult. He was just being a spoilt brat.

Uga seems frustrated. The comment he made a while ago that sticks with me is “i don’t want to be part of another rebuild”. I can empathise that he has persevered through promises of a new horizon almost every season.

I wouldn’t begrudge him if he left.

Ibini on the other hand...booooooooooo

I have the exact same opinion.

[Tommyjet]

You know, I have a double standard in my opinion.
I think the club were right to make ibini’s life difficult. He was just being a spoilt brat.

Uga seems frustrated. The comment he made a while ago that sticks with me is “i don’t want to be part of another rebuild”. I can empathise that he has persevered through promises of a new horizon almost every season.

I wouldn’t begrudge him if he left.

Ibini on the other hand...booooooooooo

I agree

[380]

We are f%^&ed.

[Jeterpool]

You know, I have a double standard in my opinion.
I think the club were right to make ibini’s life difficult. He was just being a spoilt brat.

Uga seems frustrated. The comment he made a while ago that sticks with me is “i don’t want to be part of another rebuild”. I can empathise that he has persevered through promises of a new horizon almost every season.

I wouldn’t begrudge him if he left.

Ibini on the other hand...booooooooooo

Rebuild? It's the A-League. A rebuild takes an off season at best

[Bremsstrahlung]

Rebuild? It's the A-League. A rebuild takes an off season at best

Yehhh, those comments were made after Robinson left and the ownership issues. Cited the clubs lack of direction and his ambition to be better and the the club don’t seem to be improving basically.

Idk, to me he just seems frustrated by the situation and feels like he’s constantly be walked over. Can empathise. Do I want him to go? Absolutely not. He’s been one of our more consistent and better players over the years. But I think he’s commanded enough respect to not resent him if he leaves.

Unless it’s to Wanderers. Anywhere but there ffs.

[mic22]

Unpopular opinion: when a club and a player enter a contract, they both take risks - especially when it comes to multi-year deals.
On the club side, there is a chance the player will underperform, or get injured.
On the player side, the situation at the club might change, key players leaving etc.

There are also advantages, especially for the players: wage is guaranteed regardless, cover in case of injuries etc.

For the club, the only advantage in breaking the contract of a key player would be a substantial transfer fee (and I think the Jets rarely refused international transfers).

Let's not pretend the players don't know this when they sign a contract: everything comes with a risk (ask Scottie Pippen). It's too easy to just cry when things don't go their way - it was part of the initial deal.

That's why I think it was a mistake to let Ibini go to another Australian team: now a precedent has been created, the club is weak from this point of view.

[The Dunster]

If Uga buys out the remainder of his contract or can provide the club with a player of equal quality for the same price or less we should let him go to WSW.
But under no circumstances should the Jets suffer a loss because he's gone cold on his contract with the Jets.
There's plenty of hard working people that have irregular / precarious hours of employment that wouldn't make a tenth what Uga makes in a year - many of them Jets fans.
Uga and Ibini playing the victims is pathetic and basically just slings shit at the many people who really are doing it tough either unemployed or in jobs they truly hate.

[380]

If Uga buys out the remainder of his contract or can provide the club with a player of equal quality for the same price or less we should let him go to WSW.
But under no circumstances should the Jets suffer a loss because he's gone cold on his contract with the Jets.
There's plenty of hard working people that have irregular / precarious hours of employment that wouldn't make a tenth what Uga makes in a year - many of them Jets fans.
Uga and Ibini playing the victims is pathetic and basically just slings shit at the many people who really are doing it tough either unemployed or in jobs they truly hate.

This x infinite

[My2BobsWorth]

Unpopular opinion: when a club and a player enter a contract, they both take risks - especially when it comes to multi-year deals.
On the club side, there is a chance the player will underperform, or get injured.
On the player side, the situation at the club might change, key players leaving etc.

There are also advantages, especially for the players: wage is guaranteed regardless, cover in case of injuries etc.

For the club, the only advantage in breaking the contract of a key player would be a substantial transfer fee (and I think the Jets rarely refused international transfers).

Let's not pretend the players don't know this when they sign a contract: everything comes with a risk (ask Scottie Pippen). It's too easy to just cry when things don't go their way - it was part of the initial deal.

That's why I think it was a mistake to let Ibini go to another Australian team: now a precedent has been created, the club is weak from this point of view.

I totally agree, this is a very unpopular opinion, but you probably already know that unpopular means you are fairly normal compared to the popular opinion

[380]

Given our financial situation and lack of a genuine # 10 in the squad how does taking a chance on reviving this blokes career, On his day he is as good as any player in the 10 role in the League.

This bloke is not every body's cup of tea and he can surely get under the skin of opposing players and fans.

I think given our situation if we could get him right and back to what he is capable of he is well worth taking a punt on, Get him here get him in condition and i think given our squad size at present we could give a short term deal to evaluate if he is capable of getting back to near his best. after all he did run around in a socceroos jersey with a 10 on it.

He probably comes with compromised sinuses LOL. I present to you1711


Thoughts ?????

[belchardo]

geez, what is he even doing these days?

[mic22]

We signed Abbas + 2 scholarship players

[The Hacker]

We signed Abbas + 2 scholarship players

And loan Noah James to Wanderers. Are we really joking. Could of been any other team

[380]

geez, what is he even doing these days?

Still kicking a ball with the Gold Coast Dolphins i believe

[anfield]

The one thing that is in the Jets favour is that the A League is way down on standard this year with the reduced salary cap.
Uga and thurgate could potentially be one of the better central midfield pairings in the competition.
Yuel and O'Donovan up front looks a handy strikeforce and the boy on loan from city looks the goods. Goals in the trials haven't been a problem.

But goals against is a real issue and do the Jets have any flexibility within the squad to change the system.
Robinson's formation on 3-5-2 worked a treat, I think he surprised alot of opposition teams. Many expected him to play a counter attacking game like he did at Vancouver in the MLS. But with Ibini and Fitzgerald gone have the Jets got the players to play with wingers?

For mine if your conceding goals then you must play 4 at the back and shore up the defence, especially against the Mariners who will play direct and second balls could be a factor in the box.

Duncan is a good keeper, but I would have passed him up to keep James in Newcastle. Loaning him to the Wanderers is not good business in my opinion. Would have been a bad luck scenario for Duncan, I think his money could have been invested better with more cover and competition for Hoffman considering Millar doesn't look like returning.
As for Nichols, well the guy has some talent and has still been playing well in the QLD NPL. But his career has gone down at A League level after some off field issues.

For mine let's sign Michael Bridges as manager. He has the qualifications, desire and connections overseas for players. Why not give him a chance to see how he manages

[Jetmaster]

And loan Noah James to Wanderers. Are we really joking. Could of been any other team

Can't be much of a deal though, Birraz knocked it back to stay in Gosford.

No problem with a loan deal, the kid might get games. We have two genuine number ones and if one gets injured then you can call Noah back (unless A-League has some stupid rule that you can't?)

[Bremsstrahlung]

Can't be much of a deal though, Birraz knocked it back to stay in Gosford.

No problem with a loan deal, the kid might get games. We have two genuine number ones and if one gets injured then you can call Noah back (unless A-League has some stupid rule that you can't?)

Think those rules only apply to Sydney and Wanderers.

[Frodo]

For mine let's sign Michael Bridges as manager. He has the qualifications, desire and connections overseas for players. Why not give him a chance to see how he manages


He sounds dumber than a bag of doorknobs everytime he speaks IMO. He'd be here for a month or two before folding under any sort of pressure and asking for a payout which we can't afford to pay for.

Leave Dean's in charge until new owners come in and let them spend whatever they want on a coach, Dean's is probably as good or better a coach as Bridges anyway. Dean's won't leave no matter how bad things get as he's actually a decent bloke and cares about the club, we need that security right now. We don't need to waste money on a different untested coach especially whilst we are circling the drain financially.

[StannyCFCJET]

He sounds dumber than a bag of doorknobs everytime he speaks IMO. He'd be here for a month or two before folding under any sort of pressure and asking for a payout which we can't afford to pay for.

Leave Dean's in charge until new owners come in and let them spend whatever they want on a coach, Dean's is probably as good or better a coach as Bridges anyway. Dean's won't leave no matter how bad things get as he's actually a decent bloke and cares about the club, we need that security right now. We don't need to waste money on a different untested coach especially whilst we are circling the drain financially.

For a rare moment I agree with you 100%

[380]

For a rare moment I agree with you 100%


And me with you.

[Tommyjet]

I was really hoping never to hear Michael '6-8 weeks' Bridges' name mentioned in connection to our gaffa's position again but I suppose we are almost at our lowest of lows so a itchy scab like bridges is probably what we deserve.

[380]

Ok what is this stay tuned alert game day announcement on the app for our club news mean ?.

[Alton]

Who is starting tonight?

[My2BobsWorth]

The one thing that is in the Jets favour is that the A League is way down on standard this year with the reduced salary cap.
Uga and thurgate could potentially be one of the better central midfield pairings in the competition.
Yuel and O'Donovan up front looks a handy strikeforce and the boy on loan from city looks the goods. Goals in the trials haven't been a problem.

But goals against is a real issue and do the Jets have any flexibility within the squad to change the system.
Robinson's formation on 3-5-2 worked a treat, I think he surprised alot of opposition teams. Many expected him to play a counter attacking game like he did at Vancouver in the MLS. But with Ibini and Fitzgerald gone have the Jets got the players to play with wingers?

For mine if your conceding goals then you must play 4 at the back and shore up the defence, especially against the Mariners who will play direct and second balls could be a factor in the box.

Duncan is a good keeper, but I would have passed him up to keep James in Newcastle. Loaning him to the Wanderers is not good business in my opinion. Would have been a bad luck scenario for Duncan, I think his money could have been invested better with more cover and competition for Hoffman considering Millar doesn't look like returning.
As for Nichols, well the guy has some talent and has still been playing well in the QLD NPL. But his career has gone down at A League level after some off field issues.

For mine let's sign Michael Bridges as manager. He has the qualifications, desire and connections overseas for players. Why not give him a chance to see how he manages

Not allowed to mention Bridgey on here, you'll get the revenge of the nerds. I love it

[Frodo]

Ok what is this stay tuned alert game day announcement on the app for our club news mean ?.

The two theories I've read are a new major sponsor announ or just announcement that they have become officially an independent league.

[anfield]

He sounds dumber than a bag of doorknobs everytime he speaks IMO. He'd be here for a month or two before folding under any sort of pressure and asking for a payout which we can't afford to pay for.

Leave Dean's in charge until new owners come in and let them spend whatever they want on a coach, Dean's is probably as good or better a coach as Bridges anyway. Dean's won't leave no matter how bad things get as he's actually a decent bloke and cares about the club, we need that security right now. We don't need to waste money on a different untested coach especially whilst we are circling the drain financially.

Problem is being a decent bloke won't win us games.... I agree Deans is a decent bloke, but many of these guys have heard his voice, tactics before. It mighten be enough to inspire the squad.
I did say Bridgy as I'm sick of the uncertainty, imagine what it's like for the players. Ben Cahn would be my first choice ATM from Olympic FC in Brisbane, I have previously stated that in forum. But for the record Id have no problem with Bridgy or Deans, let's just make the call.

[The Dunster]

Problem is being a decent bloke won't win us games.... I agree Deans is a decent bloke, but many of these guys have heard his voice, tactics before. It mighten be enough to inspire the squad.
I did say Bridgy as I'm sick of the uncertainty, imagine what it's like for the players. Ben Cahn would be my first choice ATM from Olympic FC in Brisbane, I have previously stated that in forum. But for the record Id have no problem with Bridgy or Deans, let's just make the call.

It has already been announced that until we get a new owner we won't be getting a new coach / manager.

The club is neither looking or interviewing.

[Mark325]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ugarkovic-jets-off-to-wanderers-next-season

not even all that disappointed that he's leaving, if anything im shocked we had him for this long but cant pretend that him leaving for another a league club and it being the wanderers stings just a lil bit

[belchardo]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ugarkovic-jets-off-to-wanderers-next-season

not even all that disappointed that he's leaving, if anything im shocked we had him for this long but cant pretend that him leaving for another a league club and it being the wanderers stings just a lil bit

You wait till he gets an early release in the next few weeks...

[Jetmaster]

You wait till he gets an early release in the next few weeks...

Friday night will tell us which way to go.

[lil_masi]

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ugarkovic-jets-off-to-wanderers-next-season

not even all that disappointed that he's leaving, if anything im shocked we had him for this long but cant pretend that him leaving for another a league club and it being the wanderers stings just a lil bit

With the jets being stripped of their license, aren't all contracts now void. Therefore he can just leave now if he wants

[Jeterpool]

With the jets being stripped of their license, aren't all contracts now void. Therefore he can just leave now if he wants

That's how I interpreted the herald article

[380]

That's how I interpreted the herald article

Lederer doing his best to get that Welching c^%t Robbo his Sugar before the end of January.

[belchardo]

yep, sign him with a nod and a wink towards what was about to happen and bob's your uncle.

[anfield]

With uga going it night be worth looking at Allan Welsh from Adelaide comets. I'd move uga on now, no point having a guy that clearly doesn't want to be here, loan him out overseas for a fee.

Welsh has been the best player in SA NPL for the last 3 years, especially considering we have signed 2 players that have come out of that competition in Yuel and yengi (same club as welsh)
Welsh played one season with the Jets in 2014/15 with 16 games.
Clearly he is alot better player now.

[belchardo]

Baumjohan may not get many games for Sydney. Could be worth a look.

[Grimario]

With uga going it night be worth looking at Allan Welsh from Adelaide comets. I'd move uga on now, no point having a guy that clearly doesn't want to be here, loan him out overseas for a fee.

Welsh has been the best player in SA NPL for the last 3 years, especially considering we have signed 2 players that have come out of that competition in Yuel and yengi (same club as welsh)
Welsh played one season with the Jets in 2014/15 with 16 games.
Clearly he is alot better player now.

Isn't he the one that barely looked like a footballer but got game time because he was from Adelaide, same as Phil Nubbins?

[Jeterpool]

Isn't he the one that barely looked like a footballer but got game time because he was from Adelaide, same as Phil Nubbins?

Yes and he came on at the death against the roar as we defended a set piece and with the his only touch put it in the back of his own net.

[Grimario]

Yes and he came on at the death against the roar as we defended a set piece and with the his only touch put it in the back of his own net.
Glory days. We should definitely get him back if only for the :lulz:

[Jeterpool]

Glory days. We should definitely get him back if only for the :lulz:

I can only hope that a post from someone who shall remain nameless saying Welsh was a future Jets captain was on an old version of the Foz

[Grimario]

I can only hope that a post from someone who shall remain nameless saying Welsh was a future Jets captain was on an old version of the Foz

:popcorn:


Allan Welsh - keep. I really think there is something about him and I think he can be a future Jets captain

[Jeterpool]

:popcorn:

:wtf:

I hate you :rof:

[Alton]

Baumjohan would be ideal

[anfield]

Isn't he the one that barely looked like a footballer but got game time because he was from Adelaide, same as Phil Nubbins?

He probably did get a leg up from Stubbins, but that was 5-6 years ago, He must be alot better footballer now.

[Jeterpool]

Herald reporting we've signed 19 yo Luka Prso who is an attacking mid on loan from a second tier Croatian club.