Daily Australian News Thread

[MFKS]

biggest problem game has had is that the clubs need to learn that long term success means getting your fans to cheer for laundry, not players.

Victory have done it, WSW too (although their stadium issues have stalled that momentum).
The rest seem to have no idea.

Biggest problem is the model

Reading tonight that Dec12 is the date the FFA will decide which of these bids gets to "buy" their way into the HAL

Whilst ever we have Franchises buying their way in with licence fees then the comp is doomed

No pro/rel when these "Clubs" have to vote on it and they just paid 13 million or whatever fee it is to get in

They aint letting clubs in for free on merit not when they had to bribe their way in

Unfortunate but true but the FFA are actually just digging a bigger hole for the game in this country with their decisions

Also how corrupt is the practice of licensing fees??

[plague]

Biggest problem is the model

Reading tonight that Dec12 is the date the FFA will decide which of these bids gets to "buy" their way into the HAL

Whilst ever we have Franchises buying their way in with licence fees then the comp is doomed

No pro/rel when these "Clubs" have to vote on it and they just paid 13 million or whatever fee it is to get in

They aint letting clubs in for free on merit not when they had to bribe their way in

Unfortunate but true but the FFA are actually just digging a bigger hole for the game in this country with their decisions

Also how corrupt is the practice of licensing fees??

the flipside to that is the fear of pissing away your licence fee by fielding a shit team. Hence owners may try harder if they have more to lose.
prob why Aston Martin owners look after their cars better than blokes with a Datsun 120Y yeah?

you want clubs let in on 'merit'?

hahahha, here comes our Lefty mate Member again.
have you got that full back tattoo of Bob Brown finished yet?

[MFKS]

the flipside to that is the fear of pissing away your licence fee by fielding a shit team. Hence owners may try harder if they have more to lose.
prob why Aston Martin owners look after their cars better than blokes with a Datsun 120Y yeah?

you want clubs let in on 'merit'?

hahahha, here comes our Lefty mate Member again.
have you got that full back tattoo of Bob Brown finished yet?

But look on the brightside

This is the same organisation who bitched to high heavens about Fifa and Qatar buying the World Cup in a bidding process

Then they go set up this farce where they get paid a licence fee to decide on who gets into the comp in what would have to be one of the least transparent processes of all time and is ripe for them to show off all that has been learned from Sepp Platini and co throygh the ages

Not exactly a good look for an organisation whom is trying to be more democratic and transparent

So the hypocrisy is out of this world

I wonder how many paper bags will change hands from the winning bidders??

[plague]

and i was under the impression that even though the A-League will be 'run' day to day under its own leadership, the FFA has final say on any sort of promotion/relegation and expansion yeah?

[The Camel]

Appreciate your views and I can see where you are coming from.

If we halved the figure in an effort to get 20 teams as you suggest, can we extrapolate that all players would take a 50% pay cut? If we do, do you think the likes of Petratos, Ugar and any number of better A league players would be here, or would they be off to some other Asian league where they can earn a lot more than here? What would the standard of your 20 team comp be like when every kid that wants more than $25k to play football (live on) packs his bag for India, Malaysia etc? Would supporters go? Would it get tv coverage?

Again, not taking the pi55, just seeking your views.

The big thing I agree with the Member on is regarding the PFA. They're a selfish ****ing blight on the game. Blokes like Dimi and Ugarkovic would get paid their market worth as they're good players. I have no issue with the Salary Cap at its current level but I ****ing hate that clubs are forced to have a minimum spend which is bloody close to the cap and the minimum salary being $60k. The PFA have ****ed growth and young players with those two. It's why dead weight like BK and Hoole get paid 6 figure sums at a club that can't get anyone else to go there. Instead of a club loosing cash being able to consolidate, give some kids a chance on bugger all coin and make money selling them. You get mercenary players like Reddy playing at 8 clubs in a 10 team league.

[StannyCFCJET]

The big thing I agree with the Member on is regarding the PFA. They're a selfish ****ing blight on the game. Blokes like Dimi and Ugarkovic would get paid their market worth as they're good players. I have no issue with the Salary Cap at its current level but I ****ing hate that clubs are forced to have a minimum spend which is bloody close to the cap and the minimum salary being $60k. The PFA have ****ed growth and young players with those two. It's why dead weight like BK and Hoole get paid 6 figure sums at a club that can't get anyone else to go there. Instead of a club loosing cash being able to consolidate, give some kids a chance on bugger all coin and make money selling them. You get mercenary players like Reddy playing at 8 clubs in a 10 team league.

Lachy Wales was was getting something like 40 bucks a week at the Gypos last year

[plague]

It's why dead weight like BK and Hoole get paid 6 figure sums at a club that can't get anyone else to go there.

nah.
its cheap ass owners hiring bum ass CEO's who sign blokes like that to deals like that.

You blokes think i am kidding with my Middleby talk.
bloke made some absolutely terrible decisions on behalf of the club.

none of them were the PFA's fault.

[The Dunster]

The big thing I agree with the Member on is regarding the PFA. They're a selfish ****ing blight on the game. Blokes like Dimi and Ugarkovic would get paid their market worth as they're good players. I have no issue with the Salary Cap at its current level but I ****ing hate that clubs are forced to have a minimum spend which is bloody close to the cap and the minimum salary being $60k. The PFA have ****ed growth and young players with those two. It's why dead weight like BK and Hoole get paid 6 figure sums at a club that can't get anyone else to go there. Instead of a club loosing cash being able to consolidate, give some kids a chance on bugger all coin and make money selling them. You get mercenary players like Reddy playing at 8 clubs in a 10 team league.

How would you determine a players value ? Goals ? Assists? Evades ? Memberships ? Marketing potential ?

I'm not being critical of you here but it's rare to find any sector of the labour market offering pay / salary based on anything other than the workers ability at the bargaining table.
It's not optimal, but it's unfortunately how it works.
This is why I think publishing player salaries like they do in the MLS is a far more effective and efficient approach.

[plague]

This is why I think publishing player salaries like they do in the MLS is a far more effective and efficient approach.

As much as this helps protect the integrity of a salary capped sport, not sure if it will help keep wages under control.

Managers (who are only doing their job) can point to cashed up asian and gulf clubs as a means of leverage.
and there is always a Middleby around to take the bait.

Esp for a young hyped 'talent' like an Arzani, if he hits the open market, everyone wont care what the other young talent are getting paid if they really want him.

The Jets management is solely responsible for us having 2 x six figure keepers on the books back bn in the day.
They should never have let it happen.

Hopefully though the new A-league management open up transfers between clubs in order to help teams and hopefully spread talent as well.

[The Dunster]

As much as this helps protect the integrity of a salary capped sport, not sure if it will help keep wages under control.

Managers (who are only doing their job) can point to cashed up asian and gulf clubs as a means of leverage.
and there is always a Middleby around to take the bait.

Esp for a young hyped 'talent' like an Arzani, if he hits the open market, everyone wont care what the other young talent are getting paid if they really want him.

The Jets management is solely responsible for us having 2 x six figure keepers on the books back bn in the day.
They should never have let it happen.

Hopefully though the new A-league management open up transfers between clubs in order to help teams and hopefully spread talent as well.

The main reason markets fail is asymmetric information. Publishing wages data lessens this problem.

It would also check ridiculous transactions like those Middleby made as others would have enough information to show it was not an optimal decision.

This is precisely why lenders do credit checks and Insurers have access to databases with respect to medical, crime, driving records... and can even cross reference what you paid previously with other insurers or if you sought a loan elsewhere and failed.

Without this information they simply could not charge customers the correct premiums. Football clubs without full information can't pay optimal wages.

It's got nothing to do with the salary cap.

[MFKS]

As much as this helps protect the integrity of a salary capped sport, not sure if it will help keep wages under control.

Managers (who are only doing their job) can point to cashed up asian and gulf clubs as a means of leverage.
and there is always a Middleby around to take the bait.

Esp for a young hyped 'talent' like an Arzani, if he hits the open market, everyone wont care what the other young talent are getting paid if they really want him.

The Jets management is solely responsible for us having 2 x six figure keepers on the books back bn in the day.
They should never have let it happen.

Hopefully though the new A-league management open up transfers between clubs in order to help teams and hopefully spread talent as well.

But if you have a look at it a lot of the things in the HAL are not first world practice

Salary Cap
Minimum wage spend
No Transfers between clubs
No Promotion No Relegation
Creating of teams through a franchise process etc etc

How about we acknowledge that 1 other country the USA does this crap with their football comp and we start smashing these things to pieces and start joining real world practices and set our football up as per world standards??

It is a farce that we are running most of these communist concepts in our league when the reality is we dont need them

[plague]

It would also check ridiculous transactions like those Middleby made as others would have enough information to show it was not an optimal decision.

Middleby paid fair market value for both BK and Biraz.
No amount of published information would have prevented him from signing TWO high priced keepers in a salary capped league.

Because that's what he did.

Again, the theory in the textbooks may be legit, but humans are stupid, you gotta account for that.

[The Dunster]

Middleby paid fair market value for both BK and Biraz.
No amount of published information would have prevented him from signing TWO high priced keepers in a salary capped league.

Because that's what he did.

Again, the theory in the textbooks may be legit, but humans are stupid, you gotta account for that.

It's empirical Plague not a vague text book model. it's why a lot of businesses gag employees talking about salaries.

I'm not denying that the rational agent is a textbook myth so yes - given the same information people will act differently.

However, it would provide enough of a check/balance for someone to say to Middleby you are offering too much based on what so and so is being paid.

[plague]

Without this information they simply could not charge customers the correct premiums.

Wait, are you inferring that financial institutions are using this information for the benefit of the 'customer'?

[The Dunster]

Wait, are you inferring that financial institutions are using this information for the benefit of the 'customer'?

Correct in their eyes - not the customers.

[StannyCFCJET]

We had two first team keepers so ofcourse they were both on 6 figures

[belchardo]

https://thewomensgame.com/news/ffa-w...s-516821/page0

jesus! that sound a bit too sensible to be coming from a FFA executive!

[plague]

https://thewomensgame.com/news/ffa-w...s-516821/page0

jesus! that sound a bit too sensible to be coming from a FFA executive!

I did enjoy the line about the FFA only getting 'a little bit' of the rego fee.

Even when being honest theres still some ass covering to do.

[Couscous]

Wtf: Why the Newcastle Jets should change their name to New England FC.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/12/1...ew-england-fc/

[turbojetfireV8]

Wtf: Why the Newcastle Jets should change their name to New England FC.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/12/1...ew-england-fc/

great, does that mean our new team song will be by Billy Bragg??