Daily Australian News Thread 2015

[borat]

He was A problem.

Tinkler now digging a major hole for himself. This can't end well for him.

Or, he could just sack the players that Stubbins sees as the problem

[hausmann]

Or, he could just sack the players that Stubbins sees as the problem

He could but it continues to build a case that he can't competently run a football club, especially if they have legitimate grievances over unpaid super, training methods etc. Threatening to sack the majority of the team is just the type of instability that the FFA would not want in an A-League club. We have a history of sacking players that go on to have successful careers at other clubs.

When he says "Under the old regime, this sort of behaviour probably would have won the day for the players and the coach would go – but that’s not going to happen." is he talking about Baartz and Middleby or way back to Con?

[militiamon]

That timeline is hilarious if true.

Hail Newy football!

[hawk]

Zane, Young sacked

[hausmann]

Love how the Jets statement on the website says

"These changes form part of the internal club review currently being conducted."

Yeah right. As if this is not a knee jerk action. As if coaches would be sacked mid-season as part of the review process without replacements being pre-selected.

Gotta laugh at the BS this club tries to feed the public. Lot of turd polishing going on in the Jets Ministry for Information.

[GazFish35]

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/24/244b992a4753d38ed947da0b5ec98738219747fa9c33f24e64 bc34f6dd550ccd.jpg

[Pico]

I think I can see stubbins strategy now quickly make good with tinks, get him to sack anyone who is remotely close to his level, look out ball boys!, then when the FFA take over they won't have any ready made replacements so he'll get to see out the year, then get a nice respectful mutual termination.

Can't for the life of me understand how cockroach keeps managing to keep a spot on the jets pay roll he's done nothing for the club for years, I guess you can't sack all the assistant coaches at once and technically he does not possess the FFA coaching licences so can't be seen as a threat unlike Zane.

Still think Zane had what it takes to go on to be a good manager just needed some time under a true professorial coach.... Guess he now has a chance to do that away from the shambolic stubbins.

[Jeterpool]

I'm seeing two sides here. HSG and the players. I reckon Zane, young and Packer sided with the playing group so they got the chop.

Stubbins is on side Tinkler so that leaves Bridges. By appearances he's on side Tinkler too, but I thought he'd be too smart for that.

I can see HSG getting the boot by the FFA. That means they'll take all their resources too - Stubbins, bridges and back room admin. They're their employees, right?

FFA will need a new coach, and I'm surprised nobody has picked up on the Richie Herbert link in an article earlier this week. Apparently he's interested in the role. FFA appoint him to see out the season while they finalise a new owner. Herbert re-hires Zane, Young and Packer. Admin staff told they have jobs if they come over, they quit.

This leaves Tinkler, Stubborn and Bridges kicking the ball in the park.

I'm not a Bridges lover, but I respect the guy for how he helped hold the team together back when Tinkler first handed in the licence. He was the experienced head for the group at the time, which we needed. He's cluey and would have seen this stuff going down before which makes me surprised if he's sided with tinks because he's on a hiding to nothing.

This is reminiscent of burning the place down before the tax man or government come to raid you

[belchardo]

I'm not a Bridges lover, but I respect the guy for how he helped hold the team together back when Tinkler first handed in the licence. He was the experienced head for the group at the time, which we needed. He's cluey and would have seen this stuff going down before which makes me surprised if he's sided with tinks because he's on a hiding to nothing.

can't agree Jeterpool. **** him. he's feathered his own bed for so long at the jets expense and every time something has come up he's sided with his own interests. hope his bloody bar goes bankrupt.

[hawk]

Still think Zane had what it takes to go on to be a good manager just needed some time under a true professorial coach.... Guess he now has a chance to do that away from the shambolic stubbins.

Zane would have been a decent caretaker and has proven to be better than sluttins.

This whole implosion needed to happen. Tinks and his spoilt aids ridden twin Palmer only know how to go out in a nuclear episode thats matches their immature egos.

It ensures now that the club has to start again OR provides a perfect time to boot us out and thats where our strong membership who continued to support may save the club.

[judge]

Obviously you haven't checked Clueless Clayton's coaching record. He was shit with the W-league with better lineups than Peter Mcguiness ever had. The Youth came second last year but where middle of the table till he went to A-league and Jimmy Pascoe took over. In state league the Youth came second last with him coaching. The best thing that has happened is him being sacked. He's another GVE not interested in local talent.

[Jeterpool]

can't agree Jeterpool. **** him. he's feathered his own bed for so long at the jets expense and every time something has come up he's sided with his own interests. hope his bloody bar goes bankrupt.

Don't get me wrong - if he's on tinks side he deserves the wrath that's coming to him

[belchardo]

Don't get me wrong - if he's on tinks side he deserves the wrath that's coming to him

that's my point: he's on nobody's side but his own.

[Raw Boned Youngster]

In a two horse race, always back Self Interest

[borat]

can't agree Jeterpool. **** him. he's feathered his own bed for so long at the jets expense and every time something has come up he's sided with his own interests. hope his bloody bar goes bankrupt.

Feathered his own bed???? You can't be serious.

If I was paid to train and play football I would do so forever. So would you and everyone else I suspect.

Club: So Bridgy you are on a $200 000 contract but the world thinks you should retire. What do you say?

Bridgy: You said $200 000 right? Yeah the world can go **** themselves.

[hawk]

Obviously you haven't checked Clueless Clayton's coaching record. He was shit with the W-league with better lineups than Peter Mcguiness ever had. The Youth came second last year but where middle of the table till he went to A-league and Jimmy Pascoe took over. In state league the Youth came second last with him coaching. The best thing that has happened is him being sacked. He's another GVE not interested in local talent.

silly boy, its part of a bigger plan.

The idea isnt to keep him but have some cheapy already here to keep the players happy and on the pitch while we sack the others who are harder to remove then replace him with new coaches down the track. but thats all moot now.

[Tommyjet]

can't agree Jeterpool. **** him. he's feathered his own bed for so long at the jets expense and every time something has come up he's sided with his own interests. hope his bloody bar goes bankrupt.

+1

[Footyhead]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/newcastle-jets-crisis-deepens-with-sackings-of-five-senior-players-and-three-backroom-staff/story-e6frf4gl-1227199952557

latest from fox... five new players on their way in already

[Jetmaster]

Griff to Perth - wtf ??

[Blackmac79]

**** off Tinkler. Get out. Just piss off.

[judge]

Well if this club has a bigger plan what's it called cluster!#$k. They've had no plan since they appointed Humpty Dumpty as coach. Then they put in Dumb & Dumber and its turned into an even bigger shitfight.
silly boy, its part of a bigger plan.

The idea isnt to keep him but have some cheapy already here to keep the players happy and on the pitch while we sack the others who are harder to remove then replace him with new coaches down the track. but thats all moot now.

[Pico]

Griff to Perth - wtf ??

Griff deserves another championship.

[hawk]

Well if this club has a bigger plan what's it called cluster!#$k. They've had no plan since they appointed Humpty Dumpty as coach. Then they put in Dumb & Dumber and its turned into an even bigger shitfight.

the other plan is the takeover.

I hope this doesnt end up in a court queue

[halo se7en]

Good move. Now can the Griffiths fanboys go as well!?

[Leftback at Home]

Can the FFA please step in now. At this rate Tinkler will be starting in goal with Stubbins upfront, in midfield & defence.

[leftrightout]

No doubt we will see Carney lining up for Sydney in a weeks time!

[Jeterpool]

Griff to Perth - wtf ??

What!?!?! Where?

[pv4]

What!?!?! Where?

In that foxsports link, Tinkler is quoted as saying that there is a spot at Perth that has Griffo's name on it if he wants it.

[hawk]

In that foxsports link, Tinkler is quoted as saying that there is a spot at Perth that has Griffo's name on it if he wants it.

i wondered why he was rubbing purple shoulders. Does tinks ever do any good? nope, just an aids spreading disease of a bloke.

[pv4]

i wondered why he was rubbing purple shoulders. Does tinks ever do any good? nope, just an aids spreading disease of a bloke.

I think him and Sage are mates of sorts.

When Tinkler decided to sack our players, he probably just gave Sage a call or text and said "if I sack these players, would you be interested in any of them" and Sage replied "not really, maybe Griff" and that would have been the extent of it.

[plague]

Andy Harper was completely weird on the wireless this morning.
When asked about the dramas at the Jets he kept cryptically bringing up Michael Bridges name but without saying anything.
It was like he was giving it old 'wink wink' but being on the radio it probably wasn't as effective cause we couldn't see him.
But yeah Michael Bridges ey.

[Jeterpool]

Andy Harper was completely weird on the wireless this morning.
When asked about the dramas at the Jets he kept cryptically bringing up Michael Bridges name but without saying anything.
It was like he was giving it old 'wink wink' but being on the radio it probably wasn't as effective cause we couldn't see him.
But yeah Michael Bridges ey.

Bringing him up in what way? What do you think he was implying?

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Andy Harper was completely weird on the wireless this morning.
When asked about the dramas at the Jets he kept cryptically bringing up Michael Bridges name but without saying anything.
It was like he was giving it old 'wink wink' but being on the radio it probably wasn't as effective cause we couldn't see him.
But yeah Michael Bridges ey.

Was his suggestion that Bridges was actively involved in the chaos?

[plague]

Bringing him up in what way? What do you think he was implying?

He said it was 'interesting' (emphasised the word 'interesting') that Michael Bridges always seemed to be in the middle of the turmoil yet always survived (and not just the latest incident, but the past few years of turmoil).
Then went on to say Bridges' name again in a weird way.

It was very vague but it just seemed like Harper wanted the listeners to know that Bridges was right in the middle of all this.
Anyway that's the way I heard it.

[pv4]

But yeah Michael Bridges ey.

Why delay the inevitable - the club should be completely formed, moulded, etc around him.

[pv4]

He said it was 'interesting' (emphasised the word 'interesting') that Michael Bridges always seemed to be in the middle of the turmoil yet always survived (and not just the latest incident, but the past few years of turmoil).
Then went on to say Bridges' name again in a weird way.

It's taken me a few long years, but I've finally got people opening their eyes :cool:

[Jetmaster]

Why delay the inevitable - the club should be completely formed, moulded, etc around him.

Newcastle Bridges FC ?

[hausmann]

i wondered why he was rubbing purple shoulders. Does tinks ever do any good? nope, just an aids spreading disease of a bloke.

God I love the forum sometimes. What a pearler of a statement.

[Jetmaster]

Geez - with this traffic I trust our bandwidth covers us from another of our lockouts !

[WolfMan]

Article referring to Thompson of Dundee Utd. Is close to taking over with the help of FFA

http://footballcentral.com.au/jets-in-turmoil-where-to-next/#.VMmEiB5dbCR

[Grimario]

Newcastle Bridges FC ?

****s sake. If there was ever a time to burn your bridges...

[belchardo]

nah man, we've got to build some bridges and move on.

[Grimario]

nah man, we've got to build some bridges and move on.

I'm sure Tinkler will cross the Bridges soon enough. Or is he the troll underneath it?

[Jeterpool]

I'm sure Tinkler will cross the Bridges soon enough. Or is he the troll underneath it?

****er wouldn't fit.

[Newy]

Taylor Reagan will be announced as skipper...

Grif... organised meeting on revolt against stubbins....

after meeting with players.. grif phones tinkler himself....


tinkler blew his stack.

and sacked everyone that said anything.

[pv4]

I don't understand why Tinkler is hating on the revolts so much nowadays. The last two, on the Culinas and GVE, were evidently the right call - and Tinkler should be happy that the players were man enough to stand up.

In this instance we're playing negative football, the coach is pissing off the entire playing group, the players unite together and he blows his stack.

Tinkler must just be that far over the whole debacle that he's taking the easy option of removing the players rather than doing what is right, and not caring about the mess he creates.

[Jetmaster]

Griff isn't the most tactful guy in the world - probably said "ïs that you fatboy?"

[Jeterpool]

Taylor Reagan will be announced as skipper...

Grif... organised meeting on revolt against stubbins....

after meeting with players.. grif phones tinkler himself....


tinkler blew his stack.

and sacked everyone that said anything.

Regan as captain, hey. He hasn't featured in the team and appeared 5th choice behind Kew, Madaschi, Welsh and Gallagher. Do he and Stubbins get on?

Not doubting your info (or is it your gut feel?), I just find it surprising.

[Jeterpool]

I can see today's press release - Michael Bridges to come out of retirement to skipper the Jets for the rest of the season.

[MFKS]

I don't understand why Tinkler is hating on the revolts so much nowadays. The last two, on the Culinas and GVE, were evidently the right call - and Tinkler should be happy that the players were man enough to stand up.

In this instance we're playing negative football, the coach is pissing off the entire playing group, the players unite together and he blows his stack.

Tinkler must just be that far over the whole debacle that he's taking the easy option of removing the players rather than doing what is right, and not caring about the mess he creates.

Rather ironic the first time this season these blokes were united as a playing group and all on the same page that it blew up big time

[militiamon]

At least the foz is back :cool:

[borat]

Regan as captain, hey. He hasn't featured in the team and appeared 5th choice behind Kew, Madaschi, Welsh and Gallagher. Do he and Stubbins get on?

Not doubting your info (or is it your gut feel?), I just find it surprising.

His stocks certainly soared when the first two on that list were sacked

[plague]

At least the foz is back :cool:

The only thing that can make this week more awesome would be if we had a guest appearance from Ljubo.

Whoooaaaaa, what if he's one of our new signings?

[Jeterpool]

The only thing that can make this week more awesome would be if we had a guest appearance from Ljubo.

Whoooaaaaa, what if he's one of our new signings?

He'd last a week and join the 5 out the door

[q-money]

hey what happens if we actually win a few games under stubbs & tinks new reign of terror?

[Blackmac79]

hey what happens if we actually win a few games under stubbs & tinks new reign of terror?

Only if tiago comes back as captain.

[plague]

hey what happens if we actually win a few games under stubbs & tinks new reign of terror?

Hopefully it encourages Tinks to go mental and keep sacking people.
Bar staff, car park attendants EVERYBODY GET THE **** OUT OF MY CLUB!!!!!!

[Smeezyy]

Nothing like a crazy dictator to make you appreciate what a season we had last time around.

[Jetmaster]

Some live coverage on 1233 ABC now....including phone ins.

[scarfy96]

Has Tinks offered to throw you off the grandstand roof yet?

[Jetmaster]

Furns on again shortly.

[My2BobsWorth]

Just got back from a cruise round the islands, to the best news. Griff is gone and Bridgey has been promoted.:woo:

[Beeen]

Furns on again shortly.

Fernz, Phurns or Furns?

[furns]

Hopefully it sounded alright

[joel31]

can u post the link like u did for yesterdays for this one as well?

[plague]

The wireless is reporting that Big Tinks has confirmed all this stoush is indeed all about the FFA owing him $5million.

[furns]

can u post the link like u did for yesterdays for this one as well?
If they post up a podcast link - sure

[Bon]

I havent watched it yet, streaming right now..
But looks like Clacka giving his side of things..

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/390632515816/Zane-opens-up

[WolfMan]

Sounded good Furns. Obviously weren't in Newcastle as we don't have heavy rail anymore :tongue:

Seriously though, well done.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Is this not it? - http://www.kofm.com.au/shows/rush-hour-david-collins/

[furns]

PFA have said Tinks is a naughty boy
http://t.co/rmMpeNIUzK

[furns]

Is this not it? - http://www.kofm.com.au/shows/rush-hour-david-collins/

That's the KO FM one from earlier, I was on ABC after Clacka

[WolfMan]

Interesting quote from that Zane video - "I think this has been building for some time, having talked to some of the players after. I'm sure the previous management were aware that this tension was growing"

Wasn't Clayton the aforementioned "previous management"?

[WolfMan]

PFA have said Tinks is a naughty boy
PFA presser (http:// http://www.pfa.net.au/index.php?id=5&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=704&tx_ttnews[backPid]=4&cHash=4c4602ac9e)

Can't get that link to work?

[furns]

Can't get that link to work?

Weird. Anyway link fixed

[hausmann]

Furns, your performance as a media pundit has been outstanding. Well done.

[furns]

Cheers.
Trying to remain level headed is difficult ffs :lol:

[halo se7en]

I don't understand why Tinkler is hating on the revolts so much nowadays. The last two, on the Culinas and GVE, were evidently the right call - and Tinkler should be happy that the players were man enough to stand up.

In this instance we're playing negative football, the coach is pissing off the entire playing group, the players unite together and he blows his stack.

Tinkler must just be that far over the whole debacle that he's taking the easy option of removing the players rather than doing what is right, and not caring about the mess he creates.

Is he? Pissing off every single player? Or just the experienced, now ex-Jets players that have evidently been playing like a busted arse this season and realise maybe their days of easy $$ just for showing up are no more?

[Couscous]

Been away on a camping trip. Anything happen over the past week?

[baldrick]

Been away on a camping trip. Anything happen over the past week?


Nothing much.

[seldom]

Been away on a camping trip. Anything happen over the past week?

Temperature dropped

[redwah]

Nothing much.

couldn't keep away for 3 more days hey.....

[pv4]

Is he? Pissing off every single player? Or just the experienced, now ex-Jets players that have evidently been playing like a busted arse this season and realise maybe their days of easy $$ just for showing up are no more?

Yes, every player. The exact squad that agreed as a group, represented by the senior players, to approach the PFA about the issue.

[Pico]

NBN news has reported that stubbins addressed the playing squad this morning regarding the sackings yesterday and at the end asked if there was any further concerns going forward, allegedly 3 players stood up and said they will now only play for the fans and not for stubbins.

Sackings round two to come?

[hawk]

NBN news has reported that stubbins addressed the playing squad this morning regarding the sackings yesterday and at the end asked if there was any further concerns going forward, allegedly 3 players stood up and said they will now only play for the fans and not for stubbins.

Sackings round two to come?

these blokes are made of steel, who are they? they need kudos

[Blackmac79]

Caravella, jeronimo and Neville is my mail.

[Bluebeard]

these blokes are made of steel, who are they? they need kudos

agreed

[borat]

Very eye opening interview with Tinks on ABC this afternoon. Made a few new statements which are interesting

* That Hoole effectively left because he didn't get on with the senior players or that the culture created by the senior players stifles the younger players.

* That Stubbins has only bought 3 players to the club meaning the other 6 or so new players were signed by Middleby

He also sounded quite rational. Stated he would be addressing the squad next week and attending alot more games in future.

[MFKS]

Very eye opening interview with Tinks on ABC this afternoon. Made a few new statements which are interesting

* That Hoole effectively left because he didn't get on with the senior players or that the culture created by the senior players stifles the younger players.

* That Stubbins has only bought 3 players to the club meaning the other 6 or so new players were signed by Middleby

He also sounded quite rational. Stated he would be addressing the squad next week and attending alot more games in future.

Complete horse shit on Hoole.
Every time I seen him he was in Griffo's pocket

I also heard he was offered 110k and Smurfs offered the same and the only reason he walked is the club being a disaster

[borat]

Another source on Twitter claims the disciplinary reasons behind the sacking of one player are a lot more serious than people realise and nothing to do with the revolt

[edit - source is a player agent and seems credible. Claims police involvement]

[sammydog]

I wouldn't believe a thing that came out of Tinklers mouth in that interview.

Said some things that out of the mouth of anyone else (like a stable owner/chairman/CEO) I may have given more credence to, but out of his mouth its nothing but delivering his story.

[borat]

Complete horse shit on Hoole.
Every time I seen him he was in Griffo's pocket

I also heard he was offered 110k and Smurfs offered the same and the only reason he walked is the club being a disaster

He is pretty young, maybe he is telling both sides what they want to hear.

[MFKS]

He is pretty young, maybe he is telling both sides what they want to hear.

Hoole is hanging on Griffo's every word.

Tinks is full of shit on this subject

[GazFish35]

Tinks taking advice from Stubbins.


This is why people with zero football knowledge shouldn't be the sole decision makers.


It'd be like me running a construction company or mechanical engineering firm and sack my experienced employees based on advice from the the first year apprentices

[borat]

Hoole is hanging on Griffo's every word.

Tinks is full of shit on this subject
I am not doubting you, just saying a 19 explaining his reasons to someone as imposing as Nathan Tinkler may stretch the truth to make a difficult conversation go a little easier.

I have certainly quit jobs where I couldn't stand the joint but told them I was resigning for other reasons so not to burn bridges

[hausmann]

He also sounded quite rational.


That's why I tweeted about the Divide and Conquer thing. Sounds rational until you look at the whole history of his ownership, his appointments to roles, and now criticising Palmer and Middleby, and yet is now showing a complete disregard for the collective bargaining agreement and contract terms with players. Didn't even bother to notify them that he had terminated them.

He is making himself out to be an innocent victim but the facts don't match his story. He is trying to get the gullable onside. Yeah right, he's squeaky clean.

A few prickly questions showed his temper wasn't far from the surface eg. the outstanding debt and his FFA response.

Would trust him as far as I could throw him...so I guess that means I don't trust him at all.

[borat]

That's why I tweeted about the Divide and Conquer thing. Sounds rational until you look at the whole history of his ownership, his appointments to roles, and now criticising Palmer and Middleby, and now his complete disregard for contract terms with players, or bothering to notify them that he had terminated them.

He is making himself out to be an innocent victim but the facts don't match his story. He is trying to get the gullable onside.

A few prickly questions showed his temper wasn't far from the surface eg. the outstanding debt and his FFA response.

Would trust him as far as I could throw him...so I guess that means I don't trust him at all.. If the players are being paid their entitlements in full where is the disregard for contract terms?

[hausmann]

. If the players are being paid their entitlements in full where is the disregard for contract terms?

The PFA statement said that under the CBA it either has to be a mutually agreed termination or a termination on grounds of a breach by the players. Since the players hadn't breached their contracts, the only way to get rid of them is by mutually agreed termination, and they obviously had no prior knowledge because some of them were not even notified before it hit the media.

It goes against the principle of maintaining the good name of an innocent player, as it could severly impact their future career. I think it should be grounds for legal damages on top of contract payout.

[hausmann]

How can you trust a guy who says he is going to change the culture of a club for the better when he acts like a cvnt changing the culture?

[GazFish35]

That's why I tweeted about the Divide and Conquer thing. Sounds rational until you look at the whole history of his ownership, his appointments to roles, and now criticising Palmer and Middleby, and yet is now showing a complete disregard for the collective bargaining agreement and contract terms with players. Didn't even bother to notify them that he had terminated them.

He is making himself out to be an innocent victim but the facts don't match his story. He is trying to get the gullable onside. Yeah right, he's squeaky clean.

A few prickly questions showed his temper wasn't far from the surface eg. the outstanding debt and his FFA response.

Would trust him as far as I could throw him...so I guess that means I don't trust him at all.

Well said

[borat]

How can you trust a guy who says he is going to change the culture of a club for the better when he acts like a cvnt changing the culture?

I don't trust Tinkler either, but I think despite that he may have finally made a good call. As long as the players receive all their entitlements under their contract I have no problem moving them on.

I don't see the claim for damages and this is a topic I know a bit about.

[hausmann]

I don't trust Tinkler either, but I think despite that he may have finally made a good call. As long as the players receive all their entitlements under their contract I have no problem moving them on.

I don't see the claim for damages and this is a topic I know a bit about.

Well that is the line the PFA are taking and it makes sense to me. They are basically saying that there is no mutually agreed termination so as far as they are concerned the players are still employed by the Jets. If Tinkler is willing to unfairly dismiss them he will be in breach of contract. That is their line in the sand.

[hausmann]

I don't trust Tinkler either, but I think despite that he may have finally made a good call.

Whether it is a good call or not, the way he has done it should show you that nothing cultural will change because he is still the one acting like a cvnt and he will still be there.

[goaliepersempre]

It'd be like me running a construction company or mechanical engineering firm and sack my experienced employees based on advice from the the first year apprentices

whats happening in mining industry, not quite the first year apprentices but yeah..... its beyond a joke... i just feel i can stand and be there for all you guys back home :(

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Another source on Twitter claims the disciplinary reasons behind the sacking of one player are a lot more serious than people realise and nothing to do with the revolt

[edit - source is a player agent and seems credible. Claims police involvement]

if said player agent is bridges then credible may not be the word for him (i have no knowledge about any of this, just thinking out loud)

[judge]

You obviously don't know Andrew, don't think he hangs on anyone's every word.
Hoole is hanging on Griffo's every word.

Tinks is full of shit on this subject

[WolfMan]

these blokes are made of steel, who are they? they need kudos


Caravella, jeronimo and Neville is my mail.

These 3 just earned hero points

[hawk]

How can you trust a guy who says he is going to change the culture of a club for the better when he acts like a cvnt changing the culture?
agree
i dont want him to even try. feels like dirty whore money. get out ya grub.

[westjet]

A-League: Newcastle Jets coach Phil Stubbins says sackings needed to change environment
Barry Toohey The Daily Telegraph January 29, 2015 11:11PM SHARE

UNDER-FIRE Newcastle Jets coach Phil Stubbins has broken his silence over the mass sackings at the club, saying five years of sub-standard results had forced the hand of owner Nathan Tinkler.



But he dismissed calls for his own head after a season that has yielded just one win from 15 matches, telling The Daily Telegraph on Thursday night his sacking would not fix the club’s losing culture.

Tinkler stunned the A-League on Wednesday night when he terminated the contracts of leading players Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Kew Jaliens, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madashi.

It followed the axing earlier in the day of three of Stubbins’ coaching staff including his assistant Clayton Zane.

Late on Thursday, the Professional Footballers Australia players’ union weighed in, warning the Jets of potential court action if the terminations aren’t reversed, claiming they were unlawful.

But Stubbins, who has been widely criticised for his role in the blood-letting, said significant change was needed across the board to properly address the club’s problems.

“There has been five years of suffering here which hasn’t just happened overnight,” he said.

“Some tough decisions have been made which were very difficult but they have been made with a view to fixing the problems.”
Defending his own position against claims he should have been sacked himself, Stubbins said getting rid of the coach was the easy option.

“They’ve tried sacking coaches here in the past but it hasn’t worked ” Stubbins said, referring to the Jets axing of former coaches Branko Culina and Gary van Egmond.

“Getting rid of the coach - that’s what usually happens when a team under-performs but it’s the environment that needs to change.

“If another coach exits here, what changes? Nothing changes in my view. The past five years prove that.

“So many players have left this club and gone on to have success elsewhere. They have gone to a more effective environment - it’s simple.”

Stubbins admits he has a major challenge on his hands to turn fortunes around quickly and win over the complete support of the remaining players left at the club.

He met briefly with the playing group early on Thursday as Tinkler declared the blood-letting was over.

“There’s some angst here at the moment which is understandable but the new Newcastle Jets will be a more aligned professional environment that allows for more effective outcomes,” Stubbins said.

“The meetings today have been about pulling together and moving forward in a positive fashion.”
Ousted assistant coach Zane, who will be replaced by Jets Youth coach James Pascoe in the role, admitted his sacking had caught him off-guard but said he was feeling more for the players who’d been terminated.

He believed the relationship between the playing group and Stubbins had been waning for some time.

“In doing what they did, they obviously felt it was in the best interests of the club,” Zane said.

Players’ union boss Vivian said legal avenues will be investigated if Tinkler refused to remedy the situation in relation to the sacked players immediately.

“We have a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) in place and it must be complied with,” CEO Adam Vivian said.

“The actions of the club in attempting to terminate the contracts of the players without satisfactory justification are not in accordance with the CBA.

“Accordingly, it is the position of the PFA that all five players remain contracted members of the squad and are protected by the CBA.”

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/a-league-newcastle-jets-coach-phil-stubbins-says-sackings-needed-to-change-environment/story-e6frf4gl-1227201494358?sv=2df366ee70176067fe48b17c2ccd5679# itm_s=foxs&itm_t=home&itm_c=content-3&itm_o=11&itm_l=Fox%20Feed%20-%20Bloodletting over as Jets prepare for new era

This bloke is delusional! Yes we need to fix the culture of the club but Stubbins has failed at that and made it worse and now thinks he can turn it around. Get the **** out of our club.

[pv4]

Something that Stubbins has failed to mention, or perhaps even notice, is that the two coaches the club have sacked (GVE, Culina) have not been touched at all by an A-League club since they were sacked. So that tells me that not only was it evident to us, but the entire league, that they were not up to scratch.

If the club has a history/culture of hiring coaches that are not up to standard, that would mean Phil was picked from that culture.

[MFKS]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/a-league-newcastle-jets-coach-phil-stubbins-says-sackings-needed-to-change-environment/story-e6frf4gl-1227201494358?sv=2df366ee70176067fe48b17c2ccd5679# itm_s=foxs&itm_t=home&itm_c=content-3&itm_o=11&itm_l=Fox%20Feed%20-%20Bloodletting over as Jets prepare for new era

This bloke is delusional! Yes we need to fix the culture of the club but Stubbins has failed at that and made it worse and now thinks he can turn it around. Get the **** out of our club.

Seriously I am having hard time swallowing this shit now.

These two are talking that all this change is to get the kulcha change to occur in the future. OK Fine
These two are talking like all this change is necessary to gain success in the future. OK Fine

What none of the two dickheads seem to realise is that the whole thing could have been handled in a much better way than they have done so.

How about pulling the 5 players they cut in to the office having a civilised chat that they ain't part of the future help them find a new club, organise a termination agreement etc or just generally treat them with respect instead of sending a group text out to 5 blokes to tell them they are boned.

How can anyone have any respect for the regime now with the way they have treated 5 blokes who they easily could have actually got out the door with no drama if they actually had any degree of class and integrity as people and had acted accordingly

[Pico]

Jets face threat of legal action over sackings
By BRETT KEEBLE
Jan. 29, 2015, 9:30 p.m

PROFESSIONAL Footballers Australia chief executive Adam Vivian said four of the five Jets players facing the sack had not yet received formal notification of the club’s plan to terminate their contracts.

In a statement on Wednesday night, the Jets announced their intention to pay out the contracts of captain Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi and sack Carney for disciplinary reasons.

But after a series of group and individual meetings with those players and some of their teammates in Newcastle on Thursday night, Vivian said Jaliens, Griffiths, Celeski and Madaschi, all of whom were off contract at the end of this A-League season, were still awaiting the relevant paperwork from club owner and chairman Nathan Tinkler.

‘‘The players that have had their contracts threatened to be terminated, some people have very specific issues in regards to their personal situations, their family and other opportunities,’’ Vivian told the Newcastle Herald.

‘‘The four players that have been offered a mutual termination actually haven’t received any of those mutual termination offers as yet.

‘‘They have not received any correspondence whatsoever, and David Carney has received correspondence in the form of a third disciplinary notice, however, he vehemently refutes the allegation and he’s spoken in depth with us about that situation.

‘‘We believe he has a very strong case and that we will also be representing him on that issue.’’

Vivian would not discuss details of the allegation against Carney for legal reasons ‘‘but hopefully in the fullness of time we’ll be able to discuss that further’’.

On another dramatic day at Newcastle’s struggling football flagship, the PFA threatened the Jets with legal action, accusing the club of failing to comply with the players’ collective bargaining agreement.
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‘‘The actions of the club in attempting to terminate the contracts of the players, without satisfactory justification, are not in accordance with the CBA,’’ Vivian said.

‘‘If the situation is not remedied immediately, we will take the necessary legal steps.

‘‘The actions of the club undermine the A-League, which is a competition that is based on respect for contracts and committed to player wellbeing.’’

In other developments:

● In the presence of coach Phil Stubbins, three senior players spoke out against the embattled manager at a team meeting at the club’s Ray Watt Oval training base on Thursday morning.

● It is understood those three players made it clear they had no confidence in the coach and, though they will continue to honour their contractual obligations, they would no longer be playing for him but instead for their teammates and Jets fans.

● The Herald was told Griffiths, a former A-League Golden Boot winner, appeared briefly at that meeting then left after a heated exchange with Stubbins.

● It is understood Griffiths made it clear that he wanted to see out his contract with the Jets and was not prepared to accept a mutual termination pay-out.

● The Herald was told former Jets assistant coach Mark Jones is poised to rejoin the club to replace Clayton Zane, who was sacked on Wednesday with goalkeeping coach Neil Young and trainer Andrew Packer.

● Vivian dismissed speculation players were considering boycotting training or their next game, against Brisbane at Hunter Stadium next Friday.

Vivian plans to stay in Newcastle as long as it takes to resolve the crisis between the players, Stubbins and Tinkler, who as owner and chairman faces a Football Federation Australia deadline of Saturday to settle the club’s debts.

That includes outstanding superannuation entitlements and $140,000 owed to Northern NSW Football.

Vivian said he had spoken to the three players who spoke out against Stubbins in the course of his meetings on Thursday night, and all expressed their anger and frustration about the circumstances surrounding the departure of five of their teammates and a perceived lack of leadership from the coach and Tinkler.

‘‘There’s a level of frustration not only with Phil but also with regards to the way the situation has been handled,’’ Vivian said. ‘‘I think it’s exacerbated by the fact that they’re watching five of their fellow professionals potentially being terminated in a way that they see as quite abrupt and untoward.

‘‘They’re still waiting to see the strategic rationale and the football rationale as to why this is occurring in the way it is.

‘‘It’s been a disjointed process, so from their perspective, if it had been managed in a way that was followed methodically, and they were given the requisite consultation, perhaps the outcome would have been different.

‘‘In football, it’s not uncommon for there to be a mutual termination agreement reached and for people to part ways, but under the circumstances and the way it’s happened and the level of grey area around it, it’s created a level of anxiety which perhaps otherwise wouldn’t exist.’’

Tinkler told a Sydney newspaper on Thursday that the five players facing the sack had led a player revolt against Stubbins.

‘‘Carney has three strikes against his name and has been let go because of behavioural issues. I won’t go into them. He knows what they are,’’ Tinkler said.

Carney declined to comment when contacted by the Herald, indicating he was heeding legal advice.

Referring to Griffiths, a former Jets grand final hero and crowd favourite, Tinkler said: “Joel would be the first to tell you his best days are behind him.

‘‘I’ve got some time for Joel, but his comments and actions over the past week have been disappointing. There is a spot for him at Perth if he wants to go. They are keen to take him and he has the chance to win a title over there, but that’s up to him.’’

Responding to Tinkler’s comments about him, Griffiths tweeted: ‘‘Wow fair enough.’’

Northern NSW Football chief executive David Eland said the saga was severely damaging grassroots football in Newcastle.

‘‘Every day it goes on, it’s just generating more negative publicity and more negative talk,’’ he said.

‘‘It’s disappointing when the game is on such a high locally.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2850568/jets-face-threat-of-legal-action-over-sackings/?cs=306



Be interesting to see if the sackings or PFA legal action are used as a license breach.

[Pico]

Zane says Jets will rise again
By BRETT KEEBLE
Jan. 29, 2015, 9:30 p.m

SACKED Newcastle Jets assistant coach Clayton Zane is sure the crisis-wracked club can rise from the mire and become an A-League powerhouse, with or without Nathan Tinkler, but only if it reconnects with the community it represents.

Zane and fellow coaching staff members Neil Young and Andrew Packer had their contracts terminated on Wednesday, several hours before captain Kew Jaliens and senior players Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi suffered the same fate.

Disappointed and disillusioned but not despondent, Zane said Tinkler, not coach Phil Stubbins, had called him on Wednesday to say his services were no longer required.

Zane has another year to run on the two-year deal he signed 12 months ago and plans to pursue his legal options, but only after the five sacked players have resolved their differences with Tinkler.

‘‘Nathan Tinkler called me and just said they were going in a different direction and thanks for my work but not to come in any more,’’ Zane told the Newcastle Herald.

‘‘He wished me all the best and we left it at that, and I wished him and Phil all the best. I’ve got another year on my contract, but I’ll pursue that at a later date to see what I’m entitled to.

‘‘He said four weeks effective immediately, so I’m assuming he doesn’t really know my contract status, which is another full year because I signed exactly this time last year.’’

The Jets appointed Zane as interim head coach 12 months ago after parting company with premiership-winning manager Gary van Egmond.

The 37-year-old former Socceroos striker remained on staff as an assistant to Stubbins, a former assistant at Adelaide, who joined the Jets in May.
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‘‘I was given assurances by the management at the time, when I was stepping into that head role,’’ Zane said.

‘‘I was put on the spot when I took over as interim manager and I was really concerned because my wife was just about to have our second child so I was concerned about the job security. But I was told in no uncertain terms that I would be looked after for a two-year period.’’

A home-grown international who has represented Newcastle in the various incarnations of the national league as a player and coach, Zane is sure the Jets will be strong again but feels for fans who have become disenchanted with their club.

Zane believed the Jets would benefit from the input of Football Federation Australia, along similar lines to the role the National Rugby League played in rebuilding the Newcastle Knights after Tinkler handed back the reins last June.

‘‘I’m distraught that the fans can be dragged into this in such a manner, but deep inside I know it’s for the right reasons and I think the club will get to where it needs to get to,’’ he said. ‘‘But me being one of the fans now, we all just have to be patient and see how it plays out.

‘‘The FFA have got some smart people in there, they know whether the club is being run right or whether it does need an injection of new blood, but we’ll leave that to the experts.

‘‘But I feel for the fans because they’ve been messed around. They’ve not really had a lot to cheer about for a number of years now, and it could be a very big club if the right people come in.

‘‘You look at the Knights now, and it just seems like a whole different place now that they’ve installed a board with real credibility with local business people, and, moving forward, I think a community-based model is the way forward for this club.

‘‘Even if Nathan is involved, I still think there needs to be some smart business people from the local area to start to tap into ... so whether it’s Nathan in charge or anyone else, we need to make sure it becomes a community club again because we’re starting to get away from that.’’

Zane said he had not spoken to Stubbins since the coach instructed him at a staff meeting on Tuesday to oversee training. Stubbins then flew to Brisbane for crisis talks with Tinkler.

‘‘Probably the biggest shock was because I thought I was quite close with Phil. I had a good relationship, and all the feedback prior to what’s happened had always been positive,’’ he said.

‘‘He really trusted me with a lot of things on the training track, and delegated a lot of bigger things that maybe other head coaches might not have done for their assistants, so it just seemed like there was a lot of trust in my ability as an assistant.

‘‘So I was a little bit shocked, also because I’d talked to him on the morning before he’d flown up to Brisbane and told me to take the session the next day as well, so he’d already planned ahead for the rest of the week with me heavily involved in it.’’

Zane did not anticipate rejoining the Jets any time soon, irrespective of uncertainty surrounding Tinkler’s hold on the A-League licence, but wants to remain involved in the game in Newcastle.

‘‘I’ve already had Gary van Egmond from the Emerging Jets ring me to say when I’m ready to have a chat, they’d love me to come and do some work with their junior program, and I’ve run a small academy here for the last four years that I can always go back to,’’ he said.

‘‘I’ve not thought too far because I’ve not really had a lot of time to think about what I will do, but soccer is a lot bigger now so there’s more opportunity in it. It might have to be back at the development or grassroots level, but I want to stay in football.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2850418/zane-says-jets-will-rise-again/?cs=306


I do find it weird that stubbins would
1. not discuss this directly with zane &
2. leave a heap of training instructions for the next few days then sack the staff.

[Pico]

Grenell says his players will keep their heads down
By JOSH LEESON
Jan. 29, 2015, 9:30 p.m

NEWCASTLE football agent Joel Grenell has advised his Jets players to keep out of the turmoil consuming the A-League club and concentrate on training.

The Jets returned to training on Thursday, a day after arguably the blackest day in the club’s history when five players, captain Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski, were sacked along with assistant coach Clayton Zane, goalkeeping coach Neil Young and trainer Andrew Packer.

The remaining players held talks with coach Phil Stubbins and his assistant, Michael Bridges, behind closed doors at Ray Watt Oval on Thursday before emerging as a group 20minutes later.

Stubbins left Ray Watt Oval 15 minutes after the players, who completed a spin cycle session at the nearby Forum gym.

It is understood Stubbins is conducting one-on-one meetings with the players over the coming days.

Grenell represents Jets players Taylor Regan, Ben Kennedy, Andrew Hoole, Jacob Pepper, James Virgili, Nick Cowburn and Sam Gallagher.

Since news of the failed player coup broke on Tuesday, after the 7-0 hiding against Adelaide United last Saturday, Grenell has been in close contact with his players.

‘‘We’ve had conversations and I’ve said, ‘Look, keep your noses clean as there’s no winners in these kind of scenarios and you’re best off working hard and getting back in the team’,’’ Grenell said. ‘‘Most of them need to ensure they’re playing regular football to get a contract.

‘‘To my boys it’s a very clear message and they’re all in agreement that they need to knuckle down and work for their futures.’’
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Of Grenell’s clients, only Kennedy and Pepper are under contract for next season. Kennedy re-signed with the Jets last week for a further two years, while Pepper has another season remaining on his contract.

Hoole last week announced he was leaving the Jets at season’s end.

He is yet to sign with a new club, but the home-grown winger is expected to join Sydney FC.

Regan and Cowburn have been fringe first-graders under Stubbins but could expect more opportunities after the mass departures from the roster.

Gallagher was signed by Stubbins in July from Vietnamese club Hanoi T&T and has played nine games this season, predominantly at left back.

Meanwhile, a Jets spokesman confirmed the club was yet to finalise a deal to sign Olyroos striker Travis Cooper and former Spanish youth international central defender David Rochela.

The Jets have until the close of the transfer window on Tuesday to complete the signings.

Rochela, 24, has played with Thai Premier League club Buriram United for the past year, where he has scored five goals in 37 games.

The last of his 13 appearances for the Spanish under-19 side was in 2009.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2850399/grenell-says-his-players-will-keep-their-heads-down/?cs=306



Lets face it for the most part his blokes are out of contract, out of the starting line up (until now) and unlikely to have a lot of interest, of course the agent would tell them to lie low and nod when ever stubbins talks.

[pv4]

Tinkler has said two things that I don't understand fully:

1) that the senior playing group he let go (the five) were detrimental to the younger players, and that for a club to function properly you need a senior group that encourages the younger guys on etc. Firstly, particularly after the 3 extras spoke out against Stubbins - THERE IS NO SENIOR PLAYING GROUP NOW. Secondly, I would say a senior group rallying the team, harmonising them for probably the first time the entire season, would be what you want from a senior group.

2) the whole thing about inherited squad and coaching staff, and that Phil can't get shit done without his own people in there. Out of the 7 players to have been let go in the last couple of weeks, only 2 were players that whose contracts were inherited - Gallaway and Jaliens. The rest were either brought in, or were re-signed, under Stubbins tenure. And the coaching staff - don't get me wrong, I love Mark Jones, but how exactly is he a Phil man? AFAIK he's never worked with him before. Wouldn't "Phil's people" that he would want to bring in be people he has worked with before? I just don't get it at all.

[Pico]

A-League Confidential: Emmanuel Eboue casts Australia net; Kwabena Appiah gets the hint

Tom Smithies and Carly Adno
The Daily Telegraph
January 29, 2015 10:34PM

FORMER Arsenal defender Emmanuel Eboue is being shopped around, with his representatives keen to see if any A-League clubs are interested in signing the Ivorian defender.

Eboue left Arsenal for Galatasaray in 2011, but the 31-year-old right-back is currently a free agent and is on the lookout for a move during this transfer window.

When you know your number is up!

Wanderers winger Kwabena Appiah has already been told unofficially that he’s not wanted at the club.

Now it’s semi-official.

The surest sign yet he is on his way out of the club came with new Western Sydney signing Kerem Bulut being handed Appiah’s squad number.

The 22-year-old impressed in the early stages of the Wanderers’ Asian Champions League campaign but Appiah wasn’t part of the squad that travelled to Morocco for the Club World Cup and last featured in an A-League match back in October.

A-League confident of position

A-League bosses have experience of taking the licence back from club owners and then facing down legal action, which is why they’re confident of seeing off Nathan Tinkler.

When Clive Palmer was running Gold Coast into the ground, a dossier of licence infringements was being compiled, ready for a court case, but Clive helpfully handed it to them on a plate with the “free speech” slogans on the players’ shirts that made it an open and shut case.

Similar groundwork is going into the case against Tinkler - not just unpaid superannuation, but myriad other ways he has broken the rules.

FFA directors were due to give the green light on Thursday night to fire the trigger once the deadline of Saturday for Tinkler to pay his debts has passed

Don’t mention the referees

The AFC is way too touchy, and spends far more time policing its arcane rules than anything else.

But we’re not used to censorship here, yet that’s what happened at press conferences where journalists have been told they can’t ask coaches questions about the referees.

It’s led to stand-up rows in the media centres, but AFC press officers aren’t budging.

AFC strike it rich

Meanwhile, the AFC have been pocketing thousands during the Asian Cup.

Each player who gets sent off during a match is fined $2000 while pitch invaders earn the AFC double-money.

Both the Iraqi Football Federation and Football Federation Australia had to fork out $4500 each after three spectators ran onto the field during the Iraq v Palestine match.

Maybe they could use some of that money to provide food for working journalists on match days

Stair flair: North Korea’s fitness regime

North Korea went to great lengths to keep out of the media watch during their stay in Australia for the Asian Cup.

Not only did they shy away from journalists, but players were found in the stairwell of their hotel doing fitness training by running up and down the stairs.

Hutchinson heading to Sydney?

The Mariners say they want to keep John Hutchinson after he retires at the end of the season, but as we hinted at a few weeks back, we hear Graham Arnold might have a position for him at Sydney FC.



My money is on Kwabena Appiah being one of our two rival HAL player signings.

It will be interesting to see the breaches the FFA pull out if they move to take the license from Tinkler.

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Seriously I am having hard time swallowing this shit now.

These two are talking that all this change is to get the kulcha change to occur in the future. OK Fine
These two are talking like all this change is necessary to gain success in the future. OK Fine

What none of the two dickheads seem to realise is that the whole thing could have been handled in a much better way than they have done so.

How about pulling the 5 players they cut in to the office having a civilised chat that they ain't part of the future help them find a new club, organise a termination agreement etc or just generally treat them with respect instead of sending a group text out to 5 blokes to tell them they are boned.

How can anyone have any respect for the regime now with the way they have treated 5 blokes who they easily could have actually got out the door with no drama if they actually had any degree of class and integrity as people and had acted accordingly

I agree 100%. The need for cultural change may be there, but being disrespectful and unprofessional in the implementation of that change doesn't suggest that it will have the desired effect.

[hausmann]

I do find it weird that stubbins would
1. not discuss this directly with zane &
2. leave a heap of training instructions for the next few days then sack the staff.


What I think has happened is that Stubbins has gone to Tinkler and bitched and moaned about how difficult it is for him in this way and that way, and Tinkler has just gone: right then, sack, sack, sack, sack, sack, sack, sack, sack. And Stubbins has gone, oh.

[MFKS]

I agree 100%. The need for cultural change may be there, but being disrespectful and unprofessional in the implementation of that change doesn't suggest that it will have the desired effect.

You know it is gonna be a bit hard for Kevin Muscat the day he has to pull Berisha aside after he has a brain fade and tell him to pull his head in and stop being a stupid **** etc


What sort of kulcha can Stubbins and Tinkler implement when their track record is actually not great??

How can any of the players still here respect them 100% going forward after living through the way their teammates have been shafted and how can any new player fully get with it when they face the possibility of similar poor treatment??

Lets not even take into account the fans expectations and thoughts weighing these TRAITORS down

These TRAITORS even if the FFA let the circus go on have dug their own grave and will not achieve shit even if given the opportunity at our club.

[Jeterpool]

Seriously I am having hard time swallowing this shit now.

These two are talking that all this change is to get the kulcha change to occur in the future. OK Fine
These two are talking like all this change is necessary to gain success in the future. OK Fine

What none of the two dickheads seem to realise is that the whole thing could have been handled in a much better way than they have done so.

How about pulling the 5 players they cut in to the office having a civilised chat that they ain't part of the future help them find a new club, organise a termination agreement etc or just generally treat them with respect instead of sending a group text out to 5 blokes to tell them they are boned.

How can anyone have any respect for the regime now with the way they have treated 5 blokes who they easily could have actually got out the door with no drama if they actually had any degree of class and integrity as people and had acted accordingly

+1

[sammydog]

Here is one from Ray Gatt in the Australian http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/newcastle-jets-players-stand-behind-their-sacked-colleagues/story-fn63e0vj-1227201486700?sv=34beaa29468073da61d3bfd6424a5e6f


THE embattled Newcastle Jets are lurching from one crisis to the next and the situation remains extremely volatile.

There are reports veteran striker Joel Griffiths clashed verbally with coach Phil Stubbins and at least three players reaffirmed that they would not support Stubbins.

Griffiths is one of five players whose contracts have been terminated in a move controversial Newcastle owner Nathan Tinkler said “is in the best interests of the club”. Griffiths, Kew Jaliens, David Carney, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski were told on Wednesday that their services were no longer required.

That followed the club’s decision earlier in the day to dump assistant coach Clayton Zane, goalkeeper coach Neil Young and conditioner Andrew Packer.

Griffiths is understood to have walked into a meeting between the players and Stubbins at training yesterday, only to be told to get out. After a verbal exchange with Stubbins, the former Socceroo left.

Griffiths was moved to react after reading comments about him from Tinkler. He posted on his Twitter account: “Wow, fair enough” alongside extracts from the story quoting Tinkler saying: “Joel will be the first to tell you his best days are over. I have some time for Joel but his comments and actions over the past week have been disappointing. There is a spot for him at Perth if he wants to go.”

A number of players stood up at yesterday’s meeting to tell Stubbins they were standing by the dumped senior players and were not prepared to play for him.

That followed a meeting of all the players earlier in the week in which they told Stubbins they had lost respect for him, that they did not agree with his training methods and team selections and that they would not play for him.

The situation came to a head after the embarrassing 7-0 loss to Adelaide United last Friday. It was one of the worst defeats in the club’s short history.

It was reported that Stubbins and a player clashed heatedly in the dressing room after the game and that the two confronted each other again when they returned to the team hotel. It is not known how the Jets management, which is basically Tinkler and Stubbins, will react to the latest drama involving the three players who stood up to the coach yesterday.

Tinkler has thrown his weight behind Stubbins, who flew to Brisbane on Tuesday for meetings with the mining magnate.

“People forget that Ange Postecoglou had a similar clean-out when he took over at Brisbane Roar, and he went on to win back-to-back titles,” Tinkler told theworldgame website.

“I am not saying that’s what we are going to do but we certainly can’t go backwards from here right now.

“What’s happened here with players is certainly not personal — it’s the club heading in one direction and senior players going in another. It’s not quite the emotional upheaval that certain people in the media are trying to portray it as. It’s a planned strategic move.”

Professional Footballers Australia representatives flew to Newcastle yesterday for further talks and foreshadowed possible legal action over the decision to axe the five players. Chief executive Adam Vivian said the actions of the club had failed to respect the players’ rights. “We have a CBA in place and it must be complied with,” Vivian said.

[The Postman]

"Planned Strategic Move" = Scorched Earth Policy

[Newy]

both caravella and Geronimo were the players who told stubbins to f off ... and that they wont play for him but only for the fans

[WolfMan]

Working next to Ray Watt oval today. Training looks very intense. Lots of talk in a game of "keep ball"

[Jeterpool]

both caravella and Geronimo were the players who told stubbins to f off ... and that they wont play for him but only for the fans

Only those 2?

[Hunter403]

both caravella and Geronimo were the players who told stubbins to f off ... and that they wont play for him but only for the fans


Didn't one or both of these play under Stubbins in Adelaide?

[Jeterpool]

Working next to Ray Watt oval today. Training looks very intense. Lots of talk in a game of "keep ball"

Training is actually happening today? Stubbins in attendance?

[Grimario]

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/youth-coach-michael-bridges-steps-down/111qrqetc0chj1agxue6qjuwzl


BRIDGES RESIGNS.

[howardyou]

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/youth-coach-michael-bridges-steps-down/111qrqetc0chj1agxue6qjuwzl


BRIDGEYS RESIGNS.

Well this is an interesting development. He probably realised that siding with Stubbins/Tinkler would lose him all credibility if he wished to stay in Newy or work in the A-League again.

[hausmann]

I know some of you guys don't like corporate values but in light of the talk about "improving the environment" and Tinklers assurances that he is taking a greater interest in the club and changing them for the better, I thought I'd put my list of values to the test.

How the Jets have operated so far under Tinkler:
Humility - Nup
Effort - Nup
Ambition - Nup
Respect - Nup
Teamwork - Nup

How the Jets will operate under the new "environment" based solely on what Tinkler and Stubbins have said
Humility - Nup - I think this is obvious.
Effort - Tick - they say they are changing things because not enough effort put in.
Ambition - Tick - they say they changing things because they want to achieve more
Respect - Nup - way sackings were handled prove no respect
Teamwork - Nup - lack of consultation within the club about the "mid year review" actions prove this

So based on the above, this talk of "changing the environment" is doomed to failure as problems will still be endemic.

[WolfMan]

Like a Bridge over Stubbins waters

As for Stubbins attendance at training, I can't be sure from this distance. Will try to confirm

[Grimario]

Like a Bridge over Stubbins waters

As for Stubbins attendance at training, I can't be sure from this distance. Will try to confirm

Gardiner has said yes. Stubbins, Pascoe and Vanstratten doing GK.

[MFKS]

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/youth-coach-michael-bridges-steps-down/111qrqetc0chj1agxue6qjuwzl


BRIDGES RESIGNS.

Actually have to give the bloke credit. His value has now gone up in my eyes big time.

Bloke has actually put the clubs interests ahead of his own and actually done a noble thing.

Well Done.


In light of this once this shit gets sorted I will be happy to have him back ASAP. (NO TROLL)

The bloke has actually joined the 3 blokes who said they are only playing for the fans and not Stubbins as bonafide defenders of Newy.

Forza Bridges

WLG No bagging now of my mate Bridges

[Jeterpool]

Well this is an interesting development. He probably realised that siding with Stubbins/Tinkler would lose him all credibility if he wished to stay in Newy or work in the A-League again.

Agree. Very interesting.

Self preservation move as you suggest?

Move in protest over the way things are going and how his colleagues have been treated?

Move because he doesn't agree with the future direction?

Even a resign before he's pushed move - because he wasn't a "Stubbins selected" staff member.

[Grimario]

Actually have to give the bloke credit. His value has now gone up in my eyes big time.

Bloke has actually put the clubs interests ahead of his own and actually done a noble thing.

Well Done.


In light of this once this shit gets sorted I will be happy to have him back ASAP. (NO TROLL)

The bloke has actually joined the 3 blokes who said they are only playing for the fans and not Stubbins as bonafide defenders of Newy.

Forza Bridges

WLG No bagging now of my mate Bridges

Unless he has realised that Tinkler/Stubbins are doomed so he has quit to make sure his interests (i.e. not being associated with the lunatics) are still best served.

[leftrightout]

You guys sure he has resigned and not re-signed to play?

[Grimario]

You guys sure he has resigned and not re-signed to play?

Checked and double checked. Resigned, stepped down, left position, quit his role.

Phew.

[hausmann]

All of this is unprecedented. There is NO WAY the FFA won't step in.

[pv4]

:brr:

[Grimario]

All of this is unprecedented.

Nah, listen to what Tinkler is saying. Ange did exactly the same thing at Brisbane. He knows what he is doing... we are winning the league next season.

[howardyou]

You guys sure he has resigned and not re-signed to play?

Tinks did promise new signings. As did Stubbins. Exactly 5 new signings, but if not 4, if not 3, if not 2, if 1, if not 0.

[pv4]

I wonder how much of Bridges decision was based off the reactions of the fans, of Zane and the other coaches, off the sacked players, and the media guys like what Harper was saying (basically pointing out the fact that Bridges is always within reaching distance of the people who survive the shitty, ugly turmoils and the fact that during all our messy years he's pretty much the common denominator). Or whether he had made his mind up well before all that. I hazard a guess he made his mind up after all this unravelled, otherwise why would he not have left when Zane and co did.

I'm sure Smeezy will log on soon and he can tell us his motivations for resigning.

[hausmann]

Sometimes its hard to get perspective inside the goldfish bowl - just ask Tony Abbott

[MFKS]

I wonder how much of Bridges decision was based off the reactions of the fans, of Zane and the other coaches, off the sacked players, and the media guys like what Harper was saying (basically pointing out the fact that Bridges is always within reaching distance of the people who survive the shitty, ugly turmoils and the fact that during all our messy years he's pretty much the common denominator). Or whether he had made his mind up well before all that. I hazard a guess he made his mind up after all this unravelled, otherwise why would he not have left when Zane and co did.

I'm sure Smeezy will log on soon and he can tell us his motivations for resigning.
Geez WLG Why question his motives??

The bloke does a noble thing and put's the club first and you only wish to query whether it is self interest. :sparring:

The bloke has copped plenty of stick and deserves kudos for not wanting to be part of a regime on a suicide mission.

Anyway sticking with Stubbins/Tinkler is career suicide. Would not surprise me if the bloke is our next Manager anyway as Stubbins days are numbered

[hausmann]

Gotta laugh at the fact that Mark Jones gets touted as assistant just as the club implodes.

Poor bastard can't get a gig no matter how hard he tries.

[Smeezyy]

I was a victim to poor reading skills. Re-signing would have been the correct move, but alas, his memory lives on.

Let's be honest though, as if the FFA hasn't already assured these players and staff of their futures at Newcastle and they just have to wait until they inevitably show Tinks the door.

[MFKS]

ANOTHER high profile name has departed the Newcastle Jets, with the club announcing that Michael Bridges has resigned.

Bridges has been working with the Jets youth team, after finishing his playing career with the club last season.


The 36-year-old joins Clayton Zane, Neil Young and Andrew Packer as coaching staff who have departed the club this week, along with five players, Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski.


The Englishman arrived in the Hunter during the 2009 A-League season, and quickly became a fan favourite.

Bridges released a statement on Friday, saying that the departures of players and staff this week were poorly managed, although he did thank the club and wider football community for their support.

"The recent communication between playing staff, coaches and management has been unfortunate. In my opinion, the resulting sackings were not handled in the correct manner. "My family and I continue to be enormously grateful to the Jets for the opportunities in the community that my role has provided me. I hope that this will continue, as we have no intention of leaving this great town and region.

"In my heart I hope that this is not my last role with the club and the football community of Newcastle, but for now I think that this decision is what is best for myself, my family and the club."

Chairman Nathan Tinkler thanked Michael for this time with the Jets.






“We thank Michael for his contribution to the club as both a player and a coach and everyone at the club wishes him the best for the future. We have the utmost respect for Michael and respect his decision but it is unfortunate he will not be involved in taking the club forward.” he said.

Jets manager Phil Stubbins is left with just one remaining member of his coaching staff, with James Pascoe to serve as his assistant, following the mass exodus from the club.

Pascoe ran the session with Stubbins on Friday morning and former Central Coast Mariners keeper Jess Van Stratten put the keepers through their paces.

The five players whose contracts the club have attempted to terminate did not attend, leaving the bare bones of just thirteen players, with no sign of any new recruits.


One bloke I will happily buy a beer for. The first bloke to actually show some solidarity and act with a conscience and actually put his balls on the line for what is right and he believes in

FORZA BRIDGES

[Skirt Boy]

I'm getting a hard on about this.

Think about it.

Tinks loses his license. That leaves a core squad of experienced players with the coaching line up of Bridgy, Clacker and Packer, (Griff Captain) to start the new club on Monday. :D

[Jeterpool]

I'm getting a hard on about this.

Think about it.

Tinks loses his license. That leaves a core squad of experienced players with the coaching line up of Bridgy, Clacker and Packer, (Griff Captain) to start the new club on Monday. :D

With Rickie Herbert ready to step in

[joel31]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2850975/jets-for-saleon-gumtree/?cs=306

[joel31]

Good on Bridges. He didn't just take the money. He stood up for the club against Tinkler's and Stubbs regime

[hausmann]

It always amazes me that the powerful never see their fall coming, even so close to the end.

They are too used to treating people like pawns and are surprised to see their pawns display free will.

[seldom]

I wonder how much of Bridges decision was based off the reactions of the fans, of Zane and the other coaches, off the sacked players, and the media guys like what Harper was saying (basically pointing out the fact that Bridges is always within reaching distance of the people who survive the shitty, ugly turmoils and the fact that during all our messy years he's pretty much the common denominator). Or whether he had made his mind up well before all that. I hazard a guess he made his mind up after all this unravelled, otherwise why would he not have left when Zane and co did.

I'm with pv4 on this one...backlash from the community or come out smelling like roses. With a family and business in newy the latter made more sense.

[pv4]

I must state though, I have no issue with Bridges attempting to save his own rep here.

What I am most interested in is his motives.

The Lost 5 plus at least Zane have all stated that they saw issues with where Stubbins and Tinkler were heading with the club, and wanted to save not only the club but football in general in Newcastle. They united together to make a stand against this.

Seemingly, Bridges did not unite with them. And judging by his media release, he seems only to have resigned due to the fact that he thought the manner in which the guys were let go wasn't professional enough.

So the whole saving Newcastle football etc, that The Lost 5 and the coaches seem to be insistent on, doesn't seem to be Bridges' motivator. That's what I'm most interested in here.

[Jeterpool]

I must state though, I have no issue with Bridges attempting to save his own rep here.

What I am most interested in is his motives.

The Lost 5 plus at least Zane have all stated that they saw issues with where Stubbins and Tinkler were heading with the club, and wanted to save not only the club but football in general in Newcastle. They united together to make a stand against this.

Seemingly, Bridges did not unite with them. And judging by his media release, he seems only to have resigned due to the fact that he thought the manner in which the guys were let go wasn't professional enough.

So the whole saving Newcastle football etc, that The Lost 5 and the coaches seem to be insistent on, doesn't seem to be Bridges' motivator. That's what I'm most interested in here.

Firstly, this is just me looking at other reasons for discussion, because I don't know. I'm just trying to be a balance.

I wonder, does Stubbins have all of his relevant coaching credentials? Does Bridges? could this be a reason he was retained and the others weren't?

Perhaps Bridges supported the players? Maybe he was retained because Stubbins needed someone? Or his approach with Stubbins was different to Zane et. al.?

Was Bridges a Stubbins appointment? He played with lots of these players for a number of years and maybe he felt a need to stay and support them? Maybe he saw what went on in the meeting yesterday and thought "this isn't right" and took the night to mull over his next move?

[The Dunster]

The Bridges resignation for me is little more than someone clinging on to a serpent to save themselves from drowning.

It wouldn't suprise me if he knew about the player and coaching staff sackings before the players and coaching staff did.

He may have fooled MFKS but he certainly doesn't have me convinced that he's for anyone other than himself.

[pv4]

Jpool IIRC Stubbins had to take charge of Adelaide's ACL campaign because Vidmar didn't have the credentials to do so. So I think Stubbins has more than enough certification to coach in the HAL.

I still have unanswered questions on Bridges' coaching certificates.

[Jeterpool]

Jpool IIRC Stubbins had to take charge of Adelaide's ACL campaign because Vidmar didn't have the credentials to do so. So I think Stubbins has more than enough certification to coach in the HAL.

I still have unanswered questions on Bridges' coaching certificates.

OK

[leftrightout]

I must state though, I have no issue with Bridges attempting to save his own rep here.

What I am most interested in is his motives.

The Lost 5 plus at least Zane have all stated that they saw issues with where Stubbins and Tinkler were heading with the club, and wanted to save not only the club but football in general in Newcastle. They united together to make a stand against this.

Seemingly, Bridges did not unite with them. And judging by his media release, he seems only to have resigned due to the fact that he thought the manner in which the guys were let go wasn't professional enough.

So the whole saving Newcastle football etc, that The Lost 5 and the coaches seem to be insistent on, doesn't seem to be Bridges' motivator. That's what I'm most interested in here.

Or instead of making a decision straight away, he just slept on it and it still wasn't sitting right with him?
After all, the 5 players plus assistants that went because they didn't like what was happening is much the same as Bridges who has quit because he doesn't like the way things are being handled.
Everyone is loving the rumoured extra couple of players who stuck their hands up and said no to stubbins in yesterdays meeting, isn't that exactly the same?
I know your are very anti Bridges so you will always look for even a slight negative in the story involving him but i don't see your point here.

[belchardo]

I wonder, does Stubbins have all of his relevant coaching credentials? Does Bridges? could this be a reason he was retained and the others weren't?


Stubbins: Pro Diploma / AFC 'A' Licence / F.A. International Licence
Bridges: was in the process of finishing a B-licence in 2013 (http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/jets-insider---michael-bridges/1wh6d0in7nwwq1xvbeal6g6hag)

[pv4]

Or instead of making a decision straight away, he just slept on it and it still wasn't sitting right with him?
After all, the 5 players plus assistants that went because they didn't like what was happening is much the same as Bridges who has quit because he doesn't like the way things are being handled.
Everyone is loving the rumoured extra couple of players who stuck their hands up and said no to stubbins in yesterdays meeting, isn't that exactly the same?
I know your are very anti Bridges so you will always look for even a slight negative in the story involving him but i don't see your point here.

I'm not sure I've actually stated a point but rather asked questions on Bridges motivator.

What I am throwing out as a hypothetical is that Bridges had his head too far buried up the arses of Stubbins and Tinkler, similar to the Branko and GVE sagas, rather than be a real teammate/good guy and do what was right for the club&town. And it was only after seeing the backlash from the supporters, media (particularly Andy Harper singling him out!), etc that he decided it was in the best interest for himself to quit - rather than motivators that us supporters can rally behind like The Lost 5, the sacked assistants, and the 3 Amigos. My hypothetical is maybe it wasn't as selfless an act as it seems the rest of the recent departures were.

[Smeezyy]

I'll always support bridges, I think what he did was 100% in support of the sacked players and an act of defiance against the management. He can be quoted as saying today that he hopes that he returns to a role at the Jets and that he has no plans to leave newcastle. Just accept that he loves the club and has its bed interests at heart.

As mentioned above, Cara, Jeronimo and Nev are being hailed as heroes for stadimg up against this regime, so why not bridges too?

[leftrightout]

I'm not sure I've actually stated a point but rather asked questions on Bridges motivator.

What I am throwing out as a hypothetical is that Bridges had his head too far buried up the arses of Stubbins and Tinkler, similar to the Branko and GVE sagas, rather than be a real teammate/good guy and do what was right for the club&town. And it was only after seeing the backlash from the supporters, media (particularly Andy Harper singling him out!), etc that he decided it was in the best interest for himself to quit - rather than motivators that us supporters can rally behind like The Lost 5, the sacked assistants, and the 3 Amigos. My hypothetical is maybe it wasn't as selfless an act as it seems the rest of the recent departures were.

So he took a day to think about it, heard or read fans opinions and then made a decision. Isn't that what we want in our club? People who care about what the fans think?
You are so anti bridges you are siding with Andy Harper... :wtf:

[MFKS]

Stubbins: Pro Diploma / AFC 'A' Licence / F.A. International Licence
Bridges: was in the process of finishing a B-licence in 2013 (http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/jets-insider---michael-bridges/1wh6d0in7nwwq1xvbeal6g6hag)

Last year when Zane took over from GVE and Bridges was given the job as Assistant he was not able to sit on the bench as a coach as his certs were not high enough. He was named as a sub which allowed him on there. That was confirmed by Pascoe

Whether Bridge has got them since not certain but you would assume he would have got them done in over 12 months particularly moving from the playing to coaching aspect of his career

[defor]

hope FFA step in tomorrow,if so ,I would assume they have a new coach and admin staff already organised. someone like Herbert would fill the bill as an interim,then hopefully the talk about Dundee is true. I fully support the 5,had to happen.Dutchy was an imposter,but stubbins is in a class of his own,when it comes to BS. P.S. Hope new owners ditch the knights colours.

[Grimario]

I'm not sure I've actually stated a point but rather asked questions on Bridges motivator.

What I am throwing out as a hypothetical is that Bridges had his head too far buried up the arses of Stubbins and Tinkler, similar to the Branko and GVE sagas, rather than be a real teammate/good guy and do what was right for the club&town. And it was only after seeing the backlash from the supporters, media (particularly Andy Harper singling him out!), etc that he decided it was in the best interest for himself to quit - rather than motivators that us supporters can rally behind like The Lost 5, the sacked assistants, and the 3 Amigos. My hypothetical is maybe it wasn't as selfless an act as it seems the rest of the recent departures were.

Here you go, pv4...


From what I've heard, people shouldn't be canonising Michael Bridges, Robbie Middleby & Ray Baartz for their resignations #Jets

[Jeterpool]

Here you go, pv4...

Who's that from?

[sammydog]

Who's that from?

@johnnydavidson

[furns]

I wouldn't take anything that bloke says as gospel either. Blogger masquerading as a journo. And failing at it.

[Grimario]

I wouldn't take anything that bloke says as gospel either. Blogger masquerading as a journo. And failing at it.

You're a blogger.

Wouldn't have gotten as far if it wasn't for his dad. Or is that Jason?

[pv4]

He's the guy from TheRoar, yeah?

To be fair, I don't find a lot wrong with most things he writes.

[Grimario]

He's the guy from TheRoar, yeah?

To be fair, I don't find a lot wrong with most things he writes.

Pretty sure he is freelance, have seen his stuff on fourfourtwo/theroar and some other places.

[furns]

You're a blogger.

Wouldn't have gotten as far if it wasn't for his dad. Or is that Jason?

I'm a blogger yes, but I am not a journo and never attempted to be.
I have read some of his stuff and I am just not a fan.
Then again theroar is a pretty shit website also. Janek Speight is probably the only decent bloke on there.

[pv4]

I'm a blogger yes, but I am not a journo and never attempted to be.
I have read some of his stuff and I am just not a fan.
Then again theroar is a pretty shit website also. Janek Speight is probably the only decent bloke on there.

They had this really shit Manure fan writing about Liverpool at one stage too. Was dreadful.

[Grimario]

I'm a blogger yes, but I am not a journo and never attempted to be.
I have read some of his stuff and I am just not a fan.
Then again theroar is a pretty shit website also. Janek Speight is probably the only decent bloke on there.

You're a blogger? ****, I was using that in the "You're a shit website" kind of way.

[belchardo]

You're a blogger? ****, I was using that in the "You're a shit website" kind of way.

his "drum skins of the world" is a highly popular blog. :D

[furns]

You're a blogger? ****, I was using that in the "You're a shit website" kind of way.

Well this site is a blog I suppose, and I run it so that would make me a blogger?
And are you calling this site shit Grim?

[hausmann]

I feel like one of those monkeys that scientists train that when the pull a lever the get a banana.

And now they have removed the bananas and I'm still pulling the lever. Either that or my refresh button has broken.

Going to go AWOL till Monday. In Lowy we trust.

[furns]

Wondering how long it would take for uncle branko to put in his 2c
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/culina-feels-vindicated-jets-fiasco

[Jetmaster]

Geez it's hard to gauge the actual truth - were Branko, GVE and Phil completely hamstrung by Middleby, Baartz and Palmer? Why exactly did those three walk? Was it that Tinkler had stupidly left the club in their hands and found out a few weeks ago it was a basket case that could not be sold? Did the senior players become more agitated because those three were actually their allies telling the coach how to run things?

Someone should write a book one day !

[Grimario]

Well this site is a blog I suppose, and I run it so that would make me a blogger?
And are you calling this site shit Grim?

If the shoe fits, furns... if the shoe fits.

[Jeterpool]

Interesting read from Branko on 442. Take it with a grain of salt, being an ex-employee, however he talks of the power triangle between Baartz, Middleby and Tinkler.

Also interested to see we missed out on smeltz for a few thousand. And once tinky got the Knights it was all over. It's what we all suspected.

[GazFish35]

At least bridges can't accused of have a conflict of interest anymore.

[sanchez]

Hey guys, haven't been on the forum for a while. What's new?

[Couscous]

Can someone tell me whether Bridges' tapas bar is any good?

[MFKS]

FOOTBALL Federation Australia is set to begin the process of revoking the Jets’ A-League licence if owner Nathan Tinkler does not make good on a commitment to pay the club’s debts by midnight Saturday.

At of the close of business on Friday, Tinkler had not settled liabilities of about $500,000, headed by $140,000 owed to Northern NSW Football and unpaid superannuation.

“This is storm in a teacup stuff ... creditors are getting paid as we speak. It will all be resolved,’’ Tinkler said on Wednesday.

If the mining tycoon misses the deadline, it is not simply a case of FFA taking immediate control of the crisis-torn club.

The governing body must follow due process, which starts with issuing a show-cause notice.

It could be weeks or even months before the situation is finalised.

As well as settling accounts, Tinkler is required to fill key positions at the club, including a chief executive, and rectify other operational issues.

FFA contacted Tinkler on Friday but later told the Herald there had been ‘‘no significant developments’’.

“FFA reiterates its position that the Jets must immediately address a range of issues in relation to the club’s finances, personnel and operations,” a spokesperson said.





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The deadline caps off a chaotic week in which a player revolt against coach Phil Stubbins led to the sacking of three support staff and five senior players.

In a statement on Wednesday night, the Jets announced their intention to pay out the contracts of captain Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi, and sack David Carney for disciplinary reasons.

The cull of the senior players followed the dismissal of Clayton Zane (assistant coach), Neil Young (goalkeeping coach) and Andrew Packer (trainer).

Assistant coach and former captain Michael Bridges joined the exodus, resigning on Friday.


Professional Football Australia chief executive Adam Vivian said the players union had received a draft of mutual termination offers to the players and were awaiting final documents.

‘‘There are some big decisions to be made here,’’ Vivian said.

‘‘Our legal team will view the offers, but we always encourage the players to get independent advice.

‘‘They also have to consult with their families. They need to check the numbers and make sure it is the correct contract value.

‘‘Considering there are already outstanding obligations, what checks and balances will be made to ensure those obligations are met.’’

The arrival of the termination offers also opened the way for players to ‘‘explore opportunities’’ at other clubs before the transfer window closed on Tuesday.

Vivian said Carney’s situation remained unresolved. After initially offering to pay out the final 18 months of Carney’s contract, the Jets moved to sack him, with no payout, over three alleged breach notices.

‘‘A disciplinary notification was sent to David and we have formally written back and rejected the claims they have made,’’ Vivian said.

The Jets’ 13 remaining players, including three who spoke out against Stubbins at a team meeting on Thursday, returned to the training paddock on Friday.

Vivian said all players were committed to meeting their contractual obligations.

Stubbins plans to meet individually with all players over the weekend.

Tinkler remains at odds with the FFA over $5million he claims to be owed, a figure he maintains he paid as an acquisition fee when he replaced Con Constantine as owner in 2010.

‘‘Is there also a deadline for me getting my $5million back from the FFA. Is that a deadline too?’’ he told the World Game website.

The Herald reported in May 2012 that Tinkler had paid FFA a $3.5million acquisition fee when he took the controls.

Tinkler tried to hand back the licence over the fee before reaching a compromise at a meeting with FFA chairman Frank Lowy in a Brisbane airport hangar.

A source said the FFA regarded Tinkler’s claim for $5million as laughable.

DIng DIng Its on

[MFKS]

COACH Phil Stubbins has started to rebuild the Newcastle Jets, a squad he assembled four months ago.

Stubbins and the 13 players remaining from an initial squad of 23 hit the training paddock for the first time on Friday since the 7-0 capitulation to Adelaide and subsequent mass sackings after a failed player push to have the coach removed.

Assistant coach and former skipper Michael Bridges joined the departure list before the training session, tendering his resignation.

Youth team boss James Pascoe, who is the only survivor from the initial coaching group, and Stubbins conducted the field session at Ray Watt Oval.

Former Central Coast custodian Jesse Vanstrattan worked the goalkeepers.

Vanstrattan and former Jets assistant coach Mark Jones, who was not there on Friday, are expected to be formally announced as part of a new-look support staff.

Previously on the books at Juventus, Vanstrattan replaces Neil Young, who, along with assistant Clayton Zane and trainer Andrew Packer, was dismissed on Wednesday.

Captain Kew Jaliens, former A-League Golden Boot and Johnny Warren medallist Joel Griffiths, and senior players David Carney, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi were also shown the door.

Stubbins recruited Young and Packer, who both moved to Newcastle to join the Jets’ coaching staff last year in the build-up to the 2014-2015 A-League campaign.



The coach also signed Madaschi and Celeski.

Two other Stubbins recruits, imports Marcos Flores and Jonny Steele, left the club less than six months into their contracts.

Appointed in May, Stubbins brought in nine new faces for the start of a season in which the Jets have won once in 15 games.

Apart from the departure of the five senior players on Wednesday, the coach has signed off on the release mid-contract of Mark Birighitti, Flores, Connor Chapman, Adam Taggart, Josh Brillante, Ruben Zadkovich, Zenon Caravella, Mitch Oxborrow, Craig Goodwin, Steele and Sam Gallaway.

In defending the decision to gut the club, owner Nathan Tinkler said it was ‘‘hard to judge a coach when he is forced to take on not just an inherited squad but also an inherited coaching staff’’.

There are not too many coaches in soccer who can say they will win with any squad and any coaching staff. They need their people around them, people they trust and believe in to implement the style of play they want,’’ Tinkler said.

‘‘Now Phil will get the chance to have the squad he wants by the start of next year, and for the rest of this year he will have a bunch of players there that will have to prove they are worthy of being in that squad next season
’’In Jaliens, Griffiths, Carney, Madaschi and Celeski, the perceived leaders in the failed player-led coup to oust Stubbins, 333 A-League games and 72 internationals’ worth of experience is lost.

The Jets are also yet to replace Flores, Birighitti, Steele and Gallaway.

Former Olyroos striker Travis Cooper arrived in Newcastle from the United Kingdom on Friday and, pending a medical, will be added to the roster as an injury replacement for James Virgili.

Defender Daniel Mullen has been released by Western Sydney Wanderers and is poised to join the Jets for the rest of the season.

Brisbane Roar third-string keeper Matt Acton trained on Friday and is likely to fill the void left by Birighitti.

The Jets are believed to be close to finalising deals with Thai-based Spanish defender David Rochela, Northcote City (Victorian premier league) captain Adrian Chiappetta and former North Queensland Fury midfielder Alex Smith.

The transfer window closes on Tuesday but does not apply to players who are not under contract.

Mullen’s departure has opened the way for Gallaway to join Wanderers’ A-League roster after signing a deal for the Asian Champions League last month.


Doesn't the red facts clearly contradict the claim in green

[MFKS]

It is understood Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski, Adrian Madaschi and David Carney want to return to training as early as this weekend unless the club agrees to the mutual termination of their contracts and the payment of their full entitlements, including superannuation.

Exiled defender Madaschi did exactly that on Friday, attending the team's first session since the 7-0 mauling against Adelaide United last week.

He completed gym work separate from the main group, who were put through their paces by under-fire coach Phil Stubbins and youth coach Jimmy Pascoe.

The case of Carney, who was axed for disciplinary reasons, is being handled separately from the other four.

Carney has been handed a breach notice by the club suggesting he broke a "three strikes" policy.

"The PFA stance is these five players still remain contracted players at the Newcastle Jets," Professional Footballers' Australia boss Adam Vivian said.

"We have seen no formal written correspondence in relation to anyone with the exception of David Carney and, in the case of David Carney, our position is that our lawyers are currently reviewing the breach notice David received."

Meanwhile, former Jets premiership winner and PFA vice-president Ante Covic has savaged the club's actions, claiming it is damaging to the game in Australia.

"They are extremely disturbing, football is already a very precarious career and this type of behaviour is hugely damaging to Australian football," Covic said.

"There is no place for this type of behaviour in the A-League. This damages the reputation of the game in Newcastle and across the country."
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So how come Madaschi is allowed to train yet Griff was told to **** off the day before when he fronted???

[Jetmaster]

https://twitter.com/TheWorldGame/status/561295131484385281/photo/1

SBS know how to lure the big man out - send in the hot chicks !

[borat]

Doesn't the red facts clearly contradict the claim in green

Those players were signed while Stubbins was the coach but the question that hasn't been answered is were they forced upon Stubbins by Middleby and co.

Whoever signed them had rocks in their head though. Johny Steele was the most baffling of them all

[borat]

I wouldn't take anything that bloke says as gospel either. Blogger masquerading as a journo. And failing at it.
100% agree. His credibility is pretty much non existent

[borat]

Geez it's hard to gauge the actual truth - were Branko, GVE and Phil completely hamstrung by Middleby, Baartz and Palmer? Why exactly did those three walk? Was it that Tinkler had stupidly left the club in their hands and found out a few weeks ago it was a basket case that could not be sold? Did the senior players become more agitated because those three were actually their allies telling the coach how to run things?

Someone should write a book one day !

I reckon you have hit the nail on the head with all of that. The only extra point I would make is that Stubbins seems to have undermined Middleby and Baartz very early in his tenure by communicating directly with Tinks. Tinks then has responded favourably this and seen Phil as an honest bloke rather than I see it as a political ploy to protect himself.

I would reckon the internal review was orchestrated by Phil and Tinks to get rid of Middlny and Baartz who jumped ship early.

[coastiehater]

Anyone after a ticket to the Aussie match tonight? 110 bucks selling cost price.

[Jeterpool]

I reckon you have hit the nail on the head with all of that. The only extra point I would make is that Stubbins seems to have undermined Middleby and Baartz very early in his tenure by communicating directly with Tinks. Tinks then has responded favourably this and seen Phil as an honest bloke rather than I see it as a political ploy to protect himself.

I would reckon the internal review was orchestrated by Phil and Tinks to get rid of Middlny and Baartz who jumped ship early.

That's really interesting. It's got me thinking now too...

[380]

Of course he has been going around both RM and RB. Wasn't it about 7-8 weeks now Stubbins said it is Tinklers money and he was letting him know directly how it was being spent.

Sure that was almost 2 months back.

[Thomas477]

But Middleby wasn't doing anything! It was all Palmer and has been for the past 4 years. Bit hard to go behind someone's back when they aren't doing anything.

[borat]

Of course he has been going around both RM and RB. Wasn't it about 7-8 weeks now Stubbins said it is Tinklers money and he was letting him know directly how it was being spent.

Sure that was almost 2 months back.
It was only 3-4 weeks ago and what is your point?

Don't recall GVE doing so and Branko stated that once Palmer became his contact point to Tinks it was the beginning of the end.

It shows that Stubbins was covering his arse early on and undermining RM & RB. However if it's true that RM & RB were signing the players then Stubbins probably had every reason to bypass them

[380]

That Stubbs was undermining early on to deflect as much resposibility as possible way from him. That was my point and all IMO of course.

If my time frame is wrong then happy to be corrected, Not worth getting on a soapbox over quite frankly.

[Fairgo]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/391685187619/Nathan-Tinkler-exclusive

[Tommyjet]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/391685187619/Nathan-Tinkler-exclusive

Sticking to his story, certainly ain't gonna be a dull finish to season and offseason

[judge]

Alot of what he said was true as far as pumping money in and also coping the blame for shit results and lets face it we've all been bagging results since GVE came in. Interesting he couldn't work out Clayton's comments in the paper. I'll tell him why because he's a lying, backstabbing #$%*. Sacking him is the best thing the club has done.
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/391685187619/Nathan-Tinkler-exclusive

[plague]

Tinks just sacked Ange Postecoglou.

[weston]

Tinks just sacked Ange Postecoglou.

He would to

[lquiquer]

FFS Gallaway starting for WSW!!!!....... I obviously know nothing about football

[Jetmaster]

Fully expecting him to score the winner.

[Grimario]

FFS Gallaway starting for WSW!!!!....... I obviously know nothing about football

Comments I have seen on twitter suggest that he has left an acreage for City to get in behind him.

[Jetmaster]

Comments I have seen on twitter suggest that he has left an acreage for City to get in behind him.

Being destroyed by the Hoff ffs.

[hawk]

FFS Gallaway starting for WSW!!!!....... I obviously know nothing about football

he kept true form, still gash

[scarfy96]

Dundee still keen


It’s believed Thompson, who expressed his interest in the club to the Hunter Sports Group last December, may consider approaching Tinkler directly in a bid to thrash out a deal as the Tangerines seek to expand into Australia, a country it sees as a potential pipeline for emerging talent.
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/02/01/dundee-united-keen-do-deal-jets-ready-go

Just do it!

[hausmann]

Dundee still keen


http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/02/01/dundee-united-keen-do-deal-jets-ready-go

Just do it!

You hear the stuff Tinks says and they sound okay, then you hear the stuff Thompson says from Dundee United, and they sound great! He sounds really passionate about wanting to be part of the A-League.

Remember that Tinks said that the claims that Dundee United were interested was all hot air. Another white lie from our white knight?

[borat]

You hear the stuff Tinks says and they sound okay, then you hear the stuff Thompson says from Dundee United, and they sound great! He sounds really passionate about wanting to be part of the A-League.

Remember that Tinks said that the claims that Dundee United were interested was all hot air. Another white lie from our white knight?

Did you read the article? There doesn't seem to have been any contact between Tinks and Thompson, just as Tinkler said. FFA is likely to have been in negotiations.

[hausmann]

Did you read the article? There doesn't seem to have been any contact between Tinks and Thompson, just as Tinkler said. FFA is likely to have been in negotiations.


Thompson attended five A-League games during his three-week visit late last year and met with officials from Sydney FC, Western Sydney Wanderers, Adelaide United and Perth Glory along with representatives of HSG.

Yes I did. Just because he hasn't talked with Tinkler doesn't mean he didn't talk with the club.

The article itself confirms they are interested. Tinkler said it was "all smoke".

Isn't it up to HSG/Tinkler to chase them as a buyer? He has shown interest, does Tinkler expect him to knock on his door or should Tinkler be the one doing the knocking?

[Hunter403]

Yes I did. Just because he hasn't talked with Tinkler doesn't mean he didn't talk with the club.

As I said earlier, don't believe for a second that Palmer is not still tied to Tinkler. He has just gone quiet.

[pv4]

Furthering on my Bridges vendetta..

In Tinkler's TWG interview (http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/391685187619/Nathan-Tinkler-exclusive) at 1:50 he said the 5 senior players he sacked had a falling out with the head coach, and "some of the assistants". Zane has been completely upfront that he fell on the sword for supporting those senior players. The only assistant to survive Tinkler's wrath was Bridges. So Tinkler there has confirmed the senior playing group fell out with Bridges.

Just thought I'd drop that there..

[hausmann]

Furthering on my Bridges vendetta..

In Tinkler's TWG interview (http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/391685187619/Nathan-Tinkler-exclusive) at 1:50 he said the 5 senior players he sacked had a falling out with the head coach, and "some of the assistants". Zane has been completely upfront that he fell on the sword for supporting those senior players. The only assistant to survive Tinkler's wrath was Bridges. So Tinkler there has confirmed the senior playing group fell out with Bridges.

Just thought I'd drop that there..

Even if they fell out with Bridges, that doesn't mean that Bridges didn't resign because of how they were treated. Maybe he didn't like them and they didn't like him. Football isn't always about liking everyone. But there is still a framework that needs to be honoured.

Maybe there was a bit of self interest - as in, if he is starting up his own player agency, he knew that he wouldn't be trusted by a single player with their livelihoods if he sided with Tinkler on this one. If that's the case, he may not be a hero, but still made the right choice in the end.

[pv4]

Even if they fell out with Bridges, that doesn't mean that Bridges didn't resign because of how they were treated. Maybe he didn't like them and they didn't like him. Football isn't always about liking everyone. But there is still a framework that needs to be honoured.

Maybe there was a bit of self interest - as in, if he is starting up his own player agency, he knew that he wouldn't be trusted by a single player with their livelihoods if he sided with Tinkler on this one. If that's the case, he may not be a hero, but still made the right choice in the end.

Like I am fairly sure I've said multiple times - I don't question that Bridges has or hasn't done the right thing, because I believe he has done the right thing. I'm just continually questioning the motives of his moves, and the hero-status he should or shouldn't receive from this move. From where I'm sitting, I genuinely believe the 5 players and 3 coaches sacked were the fall-guys in an attempt by them to ensure football at this club and in this town did not get worse, but got better. Whereas Bridges seemingly did not subscribe to their beliefs, and in that I think this move was not even close to as self-less as many believe (and I believe phernz even tweeted or facebooked about?).

[The Dunster]

Like I am fairly sure I've said multiple times - I don't question that Bridges has or hasn't done the right thing, because I believe he has done the right thing. I'm just continually questioning the motives of his moves, and the hero-status he should or shouldn't receive from this move. From where I'm sitting, I genuinely believe the 5 players and 3 coaches sacked were the fall-guys in an attempt by them to ensure football at this club and in this town did not get worse, but got better. Whereas Bridges seemingly did not subscribe to their beliefs, and in that I think this move was not even close to as self-less as many believe (and I believe phernz even tweeted or facebooked about?).

I find myself agreeing with everything PV4 is posting lately. If it keeps up I might be a candidate for a fifty-one-fifty.

[Grimario]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-02/new-jets-recruit-not-deterred-by-club-turmoil/6063436


The Newcastle Jets have made the first move to replace the players sacked by owner Nathan Tinkler last week.

Although the validity of the terminations is being challenged by the players' union, experienced defender Daniel Mullen has been offered a contract to play with the team until the end of the season.

Mullen was released by the Western Sydney Wanderers so he could reunite with his former Adelaide United mentor and current Jets coach Phil Stubbins.

Mullen said rumours of turmoil at the club did not discourage him and he has not seen any signs of disunity.

"Since I have been here I have had two sessions and everything has been very positive so far," he said.

"Yeah it has been good - the boys have impressed me so far.

"There has been a good intensity to training.

"It's the first time I have been here and the pitch is good.

"Everything is just as I expected so so far so good."

[BodyNovo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-02/new-jets-recruit-not-deterred-by-club-turmoil/6063436

so from that article i gues everything is 'good'

[Grimario]

so from that article i gues everything is 'good'

Poet laureate that Mullen kid, for sure. Goes good. Has good engines. Uses good words. Is good, basically.

[pv4]

He's using subliminal messages to tell us that we're signing Curtis Good.

[pv4]

I find myself agreeing with everything PV4 is posting lately. If it keeps up I might be a candidate for a fifty-one-fifty.

:rof: the bandwagon keeps on growing

[Bon]

:rof: the bandwagon keeps on growing

Or in your case, gypsy caravan.. :sparring:

[Jeterpool]

I notice he's wearing kit number 4

[hausmann]

In better news, the Jets finally have a top notch media manager in Benny O'Neill. Shame that his first job is to put a good spin on this nonsense.

[belchardo]

In better news, the Jets finally have a top notch media manager in Benny O'Neill. Shame that his first job is to put a good spin on this nonsense.

first task will be to explain why he took the job! :)

[pv4]

In better news, the Jets finally have a top notch media manager in Benny O'Neill. Shame that his first job is to put a good spin on this nonsense.

Good to have brought a local back to the club.

[BodyNovo]

In better news, the Jets finally have a top notch media manager in Benny O'Neill. Shame that his first job is to put a good spin on this nonsense.

gerard laws always did a good job imo and every dealing i ever had with him he was very helpful, he was restricted by what he could achieve and i hope benny doesn't get the same restrictions

[hausmann]

first task will be to explain why he took the job! :)

That part is obvious. Disfunctional Jets v Mariners - you choose.

[Couscous]

In better news, the Jets finally have a top notch media manager in Benny O'Neill. Shame that his first job is to put a good spin on this nonsense.

No, I think his first job is to explain whether he had any role in this marketing idea:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6fOOR2CIAAkRor.jpg

Also, this is his current Twitter profile pic, FFS:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/558436766735032320/AB5vzAxp.jpeg

[furns]

No, I think his first job is to explain whether he had any role in this marketing idea:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6fOOR2CIAAkRor.jpg


You do realise that media is a completely separate department to marketing?

[plague]

Also, this is his current Twitter profile pic, FFS:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/558436766735032320/AB5vzAxp.jpeg

What a disgraceful embarrassing shameful photo.
No one wears Oakleys anymore.

Benny OUT.

[Pico]

Scot circling as time ticks away for Nathan Tinkler
By JAMES GARDINER
Feb. 2, 2015, 11 p.m

TIME is almost up for besieged Newcastle Jets owner Nathan Tinkler.

Football Federation Australia has effectively issued Tinkler with a show-cause notice following last-ditch crisis talks between the former billionaire and FFA chief executive David Gallop on Monday.

Adding further intrigue to the Jets ownership wrangle, the Newcastle Herald has learnt that Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson is in Australia, suggesting the Scottish Premier League club are still in the frame.

There was also speculation on Monday night that Argentinian striker Jeronimo could be set to join the list of player departures.

Central to Tinkler’s discussions with Gallop were debts well in excess of $500,000, including $140,00 to Northern NSW and unpaid superannuation to players and staff.

Tinkler had given an undertaking to settle the club’s accounts and rectify other operational issues, including the appointment of a chief executive, by last Saturday.

“FFA advised the Jets that it has decided to give the club a formal notice in relation to its financial state,’’ an FFA spokesperson said.

‘‘The Jets will be given a short period to respond to the formal notice.”

After saying in an interview last week that ‘‘creditors are getting paid as we speak’’ and ‘‘it will all be resolved’’ Tinkler again told the FFA that outstanding liabilities would be met and key staffing levels upgraded to A-League standard.
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“FFA today held another round of talks with Nathan Tinkler and received assurances about his intention to recapitalise the Newcastle Jets and comprehensively address urgent issues in the club’s operation,” an FFA spokesman said.

Tinkler was not available for comment on Monday night.

After putting the Jets up for sale in August, Tinkler took the club off the market last month despite an approach from Dundee United, who baulked at the $5million price tag.

But notwithstanding Tinkler’s regular denials, the Tangerines are keeping close tabs on developments at FFA headquarters and majority stakeholder Thompson is in Australia visiting his daughter.

“The interest is still there,’’ Thompson told the Newcastle Herald. “I think there is an opportunity for A-League clubs to be successful on and off the field, whether it’s the Jets or other clubs.

‘‘We have shown we can build something sustainable in Scotland.

‘‘We have made a profit over the past five years and I’m not aware of too many other clubs who have achieved that.

“Australia is a growth market for the game while in Scotland, in general, the game is struggling.

‘‘But we have shown what can be achieved if you do the right things. I have no doubt you could transfer that success to Australia.’’

Dundee United sit fourth on the SPL table and beat Aberdeen 2-1 on Saturday to book a berth in the Scottish League Cup final against Celtic.

While Tinkler held talks with FFA, the Professional Footballers Australia players union was awaiting revised termination offers for the five players the club moved to sack last week.

Captain Kew Jaliens, 2008 grand final hero Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski were told on Wednesday night that their contracts would be terminated.

Jeronimo, who is the Jets’ equal leading goal scorer with three goals, is understood to unhappy with the recent events at the club and wants out.

The club has proposed to pay out Jaliens, Griffiths, Madaschi and Celeski, who are off contract at the end of the season.

However, the players union has requested clauses be added to protect player entitlements and outstanding statutory obligations, including superannuation.

‘‘Nothing has changed with regards to our position,’’ PFA spokesman Beau Busch said. ‘‘We have not received revised termination offers. That status quo remains.’’

The PFA is also awaiting a response from the Jets regarding Carney.

After initially offering to pay out the final 18 months of his contract, the Jets moved to sack the former Socceroo, with no payout, over three alleged breaches.

Carney has accepted two breaches but has formally rejected the third. If an agreement cannot be reached, the matter is likely to go to arbitration.

www.theherald.com.au/story/2856905/scot-circling-as-time-ticks-away-for-tinkler/?cs=306



I would think they would give tinkler a week to respond to the show cause then strip the license, so my tip, FFA announcement early next week, perhaps even sunday.

[hausmann]

I would think they would give tinkler a week to respond to the show cause then strip the license, so my tip, FFA announcement early next week, perhaps even sunday.
I read somewhere, I think it was in the Australian, that they have to give him 14 days for the show cause That wasn't the case for Clive Palmer so not sure if it is correct or not.

[hausmann]

It's also in the smh version of the story. Can't post link.

[Couscous]

You do realise that media is a completely separate department to marketing?

I'm unsure about the Jets. But what you said is untrue of many organisations, where the roles work side by side or are even performed by the same staff.

I'm sure Benny will let us know. Does he have a forum profile yet and, if so, can he give me some positive rep please?

[MFKS]

I'm unsure about the Jets. But what you said is untrue of many organisations, where the roles work side by side or are even performed by the same staff.

I'm sure Benny will let us know. Does he have a forum profile yet and, if so, can he give me some positive rep please?

Someone please Neg rep this bloke.

I am all out:woo:

[furns]

I'm unsure about the Jets. But what you said is untrue of many organisations, where the roles work side by side or are even performed by the same staff.

I'm sure Benny will let us know. Does he have a forum profile yet and, if so, can he give me some positive rep please?
Well let me tell you it is.
MDT is commercial & marketing, Benny is media manager

[Fairgo]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league-newcastle-jets-owner-nathan-tinkler-talks-ffa-sacked-players-debt-creditors/story-fnk6pqot-1227206958939

[q-money]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league-newcastle-jets-owner-nathan-tinkler-talks-ffa-sacked-players-debt-creditors/story-fnk6pqot-1227206958939
tinks interviews always remind me of this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2WzYKvhsw

[Fairgo]

A-League: Newcastle Jets owner Nathan Tinkler talks FFA, sacked players, debt, creditors
BARRY TOOHEY THE DAILY TELEGRAPH FEBRUARY 03, 2015 8:
NATHAN Tinkler admits he has trust issues with the FFA and chairman Frank Lowy, and has accused the five senior players he sacked from the Newcastle Jets last week of baulking over their termination payouts.
But in this explosive interview with Barry Toohey, the Jets owner and former billionaire mining magnate says he has no intention of being walked over by the FFA or the players and is not about to lose control of the A-League club like he did the Newcastle Knights.
BT: You appear to be on the brink of having your A-League licence revoked after being issued with a show-cause notice for failing to meet your financial obligations to the club. Is that your take on it. Nathan. after your phone hook-up with FFA on Tuesday?
NT: The FFA have reiterated the points they wanted addressed a few weeks ago and when they stressed those points before, I said it would take until mid-February to get those things done and I’ve stood by that time frame. The January 31 date (deadline) was news to me. I said mid-February and that’s what I’m standing by.
BT: If everything is okay at your end, what is the hold up?
NT: It takes time to secure CEO’s and it takes time to get things in order. I’ve effectively had all this dropped in my lap a few weeks ago and I think I’m responding to it better than most. But that hasn’t stopped the FFA dropping the boot in along the way, making it that bit harder.
BT: Given the turmoil at the club, surely the FFA is entitled to be seeking assurances from you on the Jets’ future?
NT: The trouble is it’s kind of hard to take the FFA at their word. I’m supposed to go ahead and fix all these things in good faith that I’m going to keep the licence after it is done. While they are looking for assurances that these things are going to get dealt with, I’m looking for assurances that when they are dealt with, I am going to keep the licence and we move forward.
BT: Are you referring to a conversation with Frank Lowy over the payment of $5 million for the Jets licence?
NT: It was absolutely about the fee, yes. I was told that all clubs had paid it. We’ve had a few conversations about that and it hasn’t changed the fact. I can guarantee you the liabilities of the club now are nothing like the $5 million that was paid to them.
BT: How much are the club’s liabilities?
NT: A million dollars injected into the club will fix all those issues.
BT: Where is the money coming from?
NT: It will come from me. I’m not a public company and everyone can go around and worry about all that sort of stuff. It’s ridiculous the conjecture and the bullshit that goes on around me. Everyone wants to line up and have a kick but lots of people would be happy to be as poor as me.
BT: Creditors are lining up to be paid. Why haven’t you injected that money in already?
NT: Because of a combination of reasons. There are a few things there that I want the new CEO to come in and get on. There are some pretty uncommercial arrangements around the Emerging Jets (junior) program and other areas that I think need restructuring. If I come running in and pay the money, then what happens? Everyone just keeps their hand out. There has been a real hand-out culture at the club to the point where now, even players think they can dominate it. We have started putting money in. You’ve seen players being signed — that doesn’t happen with no money. Getting the roster right has been the first thing we have taken on.
BT: Shouldn’t the creditors be the priority?
NT: The creditors will get dealt with. They always get dealt with. No-one is running away from them. I’ve paid more soccer bills than anyone in the Hunter, I can tell you that.
BT: The club doesn’t have a CEO. When will that be remedied?
NT: I am hoping he will start in the next week or two. I had planned to announce it (on Monday) but with the FFA going out and shooting their mouth off like they do, that sort of places a bit of a storm-cloud over everything. Anybody taking on a new job is entitled to seek some assurances and I’ve told the candidate to go and have a chat with the FFA and get those assurances as well.
BT: You don’t seem to have much faith in the FFA?
NT: We need to know that if we fix all these problems, the FFA, in relation to the licence, is going to stand by their word. They don’t have a great track record of doing that. We are entitled to be concerned. I want an assurance from the FFA that when I deal with all that, then I will be treated fairly and stop being discriminated against and there’ll be no more conjecture and bullshit around us holding the licence.
BT: Given you publicly said you badly wanted the Jets out of your life late last year, what is your motivation in all of this?
NT: I put a lot of money into the club and I’ve put a lot of money into the town and the region — into supporting its sport. The NRL saw fit to line up and take it (the Knights) off me and some people and the media are claiming there was a win in all that. But I can tell you right now, the NRL aren’t putting the $1.5 million into junior development in the area that I was putting in. The club lost. The club lost the best coach the game’s ever had and they lost the most generous owner they’ll ever have.
BT: So now you don’t want to lose the Jets?
NT: If the FFA want to line up and do the same thing with the soccer, well I’m not going to take it lying down this time. I’ve put a lot of money into that club and I’m the first to put my hand up and say I wish it was managed better but it hasn’t been. But now I’m bringing in people so that it will be. I haven’t lost anyone else’s money — it’s my own.
BT: Was it your bitterness over the way you lost the Knights then that led to you putting the boot into the Jets and the town like you did in August last year?
NT: Yes, at that point in time it was. I was extremely disappointed in a lot of people the way that went down with the Knights.
BT: To the point where you put the Jets up for sale and said you didn’t want anything to do with them or any sporting club. You said you “wanted them out the door”.
NT: I said I was keen to get the Jets out the door at the time but look, it was a poorly chosen phrase. I’m not going to go away from that. It’s been the beat-up line for you blokes in the media so that everyone could run around and hack on me. But the club is no longer for sale. My hands are on the wheel now and we are putting in place measures to secure the future and turn this club around.
BT: What about the way you went about sacking the five senior players and coaching staff last week that has plenty of people off-side. Any regrets?
NT: No, none at all. Big decisions needed to be made because of the culture of losing at the club over a long period. Have a look at how the senior players we’ve got rid of have carried on since they left. They say they are good examples for the club and yet all they have done since they were terminated is to prove to everyone they are the sort of senior players and leaders you don’t want in your club.
BT: Aren’t they entitled to fight for everything that is owed to them before agreeing to leave given you forced them out?
NT: They are getting what is entitled to them in full. Everything is there including superannuation. Not a dollar has been left out. All they have to do is sign the mutual termination with the agreed amount on it and they will be paid. But they want me to pay them first before they sign and that’s not going to happen. Sign the paperwork and it will be dealt with — simple. They haven’t got a job here. They are terminated from the club and that’s it. I don’t know why they are hanging around because they made it clear it was an environment they wanted to change and not be a part of. They can now not be a part of it but they don’t want to go.
BT: Given where the club is on the ladder and the season is a lost cause, what is the point in bringing in another five players now?
NT: So you advocate we never start rebuilding, Barry? We just let it go do we or wait until this time next season and start again?
BT: No, you rebuild but with a long-term strategy, not filling holes for the sake of it.
NT: Everyone is obligated to have 21 senior players on your roster and if five of those are sitting on the bench doing nothing, then you are at a distinct disadvantage.
BT: Will you be at Hunter Stadium on Friday night for the game against Brisbane?
NT: Yeah, every chance.
BT: Are you expecting Jets fans to vent their frustration at how the club is being run?
NT: What at me, you mean? Maybe, if they are happy losing they will. Anybody who is happy at how the Newcastle Jets have been going is a fool. We are all in the same boat though because that’s what a club is. I’m not happy. But it’s a bigger fool that thinks they can go to bed tonight and wake up in the morning and it will all be fixed. This club has been failing for four years. There is an inherent culture of failing here. We had the top goalscorer in the league last year (Adam Taggart) and still couldn’t make the semi-finals. Please … I apologise for not being a loser. I’m not going to accept that. Any member that does, they can whinge their heart out. I’m sorry but this club is going to win and we are going to make the necessary changes so it does win.
BT: How long is it going to take?
NT: Do yourself a favour and do a little Google on Perth Glory sacking their coach and having an upheaval last year. How are they travelling now? Or Google who won the competition last year (Western Sydney) and where are they travelling? Things can turn around quick in this game. The only thing that won’t change is the media’s perception of me.

[hawk]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league-newcastle-jets-owner-nathan-tinkler-talks-ffa-sacked-players-debt-creditors/story-fnk6pqot-1227206958939


BT: So now you don’t want to lose the Jets?
NT: If the FFA want to line up and do the same thing with the soccer (as the Knights), well I’m not going to take it lying down this time.

Its just one massive ego thing and a bit about 5mill.

[MFKS]

A-League: Newcastle Jets owner Nathan Tinkler talks FFA, sacked players, debt, creditors
BARRY TOOHEY THE DAILY TELEGRAPH FEBRUARY 03, 2015 8:
NATHAN Tinkler admits he has trust issues with the FFA and chairman Frank Lowy, and has accused the five senior players he sacked from the Newcastle Jets last week of baulking over their termination payouts.
But in this explosive interview with Barry Toohey, the Jets owner and former billionaire mining magnate says he has no intention of being walked over by the FFA or the players and is not about to lose control of the A-League club like he did the Newcastle Knights.
BT: You appear to be on the brink of having your A-League licence revoked after being issued with a show-cause notice for failing to meet your financial obligations to the club. Is that your take on it. Nathan. after your phone hook-up with FFA on Tuesday?
NT: The FFA have reiterated the points they wanted addressed a few weeks ago and when they stressed those points before, I said it would take until mid-February to get those things done and I’ve stood by that time frame. The January 31 date (deadline) was news to me. I said mid-February and that’s what I’m standing by.
BT: If everything is okay at your end, what is the hold up?
NT: It takes time to secure CEO’s and it takes time to get things in order. I’ve effectively had all this dropped in my lap a few weeks ago and I think I’m responding to it better than most. But that hasn’t stopped the FFA dropping the boot in along the way, making it that bit harder.
BT: Given the turmoil at the club, surely the FFA is entitled to be seeking assurances from you on the Jets’ future?
NT: The trouble is it’s kind of hard to take the FFA at their word. I’m supposed to go ahead and fix all these things in good faith that I’m going to keep the licence after it is done. While they are looking for assurances that these things are going to get dealt with, I’m looking for assurances that when they are dealt with, I am going to keep the licence and we move forward.
BT: Are you referring to a conversation with Frank Lowy over the payment of $5 million for the Jets licence?
NT: It was absolutely about the fee, yes. I was told that all clubs had paid it. We’ve had a few conversations about that and it hasn’t changed the fact. I can guarantee you the liabilities of the club now are nothing like the $5 million that was paid to them.
BT: How much are the club’s liabilities?
NT: A million dollars injected into the club will fix all those issues.
BT: Where is the money coming from?
NT: It will come from me. I’m not a public company and everyone can go around and worry about all that sort of stuff. It’s ridiculous the conjecture and the bullshit that goes on around me. Everyone wants to line up and have a kick but lots of people would be happy to be as poor as me.
BT: Creditors are lining up to be paid. Why haven’t you injected that money in already?
NT: Because of a combination of reasons. There are a few things there that I want the new CEO to come in and get on. There are some pretty uncommercial arrangements around the Emerging Jets (junior) program and other areas that I think need restructuring. If I come running in and pay the money, then what happens? Everyone just keeps their hand out. There has been a real hand-out culture at the club to the point where now, even players think they can dominate it. We have started putting money in. You’ve seen players being signed — that doesn’t happen with no money. Getting the roster right has been the first thing we have taken on.
BT: Shouldn’t the creditors be the priority?
NT: The creditors will get dealt with. They always get dealt with. No-one is running away from them. I’ve paid more soccer bills than anyone in the Hunter, I can tell you that.
BT: The club doesn’t have a CEO. When will that be remedied?
NT: I am hoping he will start in the next week or two. I had planned to announce it (on Monday) but with the FFA going out and shooting their mouth off like they do, that sort of places a bit of a storm-cloud over everything. Anybody taking on a new job is entitled to seek some assurances and I’ve told the candidate to go and have a chat with the FFA and get those assurances as well.
BT: You don’t seem to have much faith in the FFA?
NT: We need to know that if we fix all these problems, the FFA, in relation to the licence, is going to stand by their word. They don’t have a great track record of doing that. We are entitled to be concerned. I want an assurance from the FFA that when I deal with all that, then I will be treated fairly and stop being discriminated against and there’ll be no more conjecture and bullshit around us holding the licence.
BT: Given you publicly said you badly wanted the Jets out of your life late last year, what is your motivation in all of this?
NT: I put a lot of money into the club and I’ve put a lot of money into the town and the region — into supporting its sport. The NRL saw fit to line up and take it (the Knights) off me and some people and the media are claiming there was a win in all that. But I can tell you right now, the NRL aren’t putting the $1.5 million into junior development in the area that I was putting in. The club lost. The club lost the best coach the game’s ever had and they lost the most generous owner they’ll ever have.
BT: So now you don’t want to lose the Jets?
NT: If the FFA want to line up and do the same thing with the soccer, well I’m not going to take it lying down this time. I’ve put a lot of money into that club and I’m the first to put my hand up and say I wish it was managed better but it hasn’t been. But now I’m bringing in people so that it will be. I haven’t lost anyone else’s money — it’s my own.
BT: Was it your bitterness over the way you lost the Knights then that led to you putting the boot into the Jets and the town like you did in August last year?
NT: Yes, at that point in time it was. I was extremely disappointed in a lot of people the way that went down with the Knights.
BT: To the point where you put the Jets up for sale and said you didn’t want anything to do with them or any sporting club. You said you “wanted them out the door”.
NT: I said I was keen to get the Jets out the door at the time but look, it was a poorly chosen phrase. I’m not going to go away from that. It’s been the beat-up line for you blokes in the media so that everyone could run around and hack on me. But the club is no longer for sale. My hands are on the wheel now and we are putting in place measures to secure the future and turn this club around.
BT: What about the way you went about sacking the five senior players and coaching staff last week that has plenty of people off-side. Any regrets?
NT: No, none at all. Big decisions needed to be made because of the culture of losing at the club over a long period. Have a look at how the senior players we’ve got rid of have carried on since they left. They say they are good examples for the club and yet all they have done since they were terminated is to prove to everyone they are the sort of senior players and leaders you don’t want in your club.
BT: Aren’t they entitled to fight for everything that is owed to them before agreeing to leave given you forced them out?
NT: They are getting what is entitled to them in full. Everything is there including superannuation. Not a dollar has been left out. All they have to do is sign the mutual termination with the agreed amount on it and they will be paid. But they want me to pay them first before they sign and that’s not going to happen. Sign the paperwork and it will be dealt with — simple. They haven’t got a job here. They are terminated from the club and that’s it. I don’t know why they are hanging around because they made it clear it was an environment they wanted to change and not be a part of. They can now not be a part of it but they don’t want to go.
BT: Given where the club is on the ladder and the season is a lost cause, what is the point in bringing in another five players now?
NT: So you advocate we never start rebuilding, Barry? We just let it go do we or wait until this time next season and start again?
BT: No, you rebuild but with a long-term strategy, not filling holes for the sake of it.
NT: Everyone is obligated to have 21 senior players on your roster and if five of those are sitting on the bench doing nothing, then you are at a distinct disadvantage.
BT: Will you be at Hunter Stadium on Friday night for the game against Brisbane?
NT: Yeah, every chance.
BT: Are you expecting Jets fans to vent their frustration at how the club is being run?
NT: What at me, you mean? Maybe, if they are happy losing they will. Anybody who is happy at how the Newcastle Jets have been going is a fool. We are all in the same boat though because that’s what a club is. I’m not happy. But it’s a bigger fool that thinks they can go to bed tonight and wake up in the morning and it will all be fixed. This club has been failing for four years. There is an inherent culture of failing here. We had the top goalscorer in the league last year (Adam Taggart) and still couldn’t make the semi-finals. Please … I apologise for not being a loser. I’m not going to accept that. Any member that does, they can whinge their heart out. I’m sorry but this club is going to win and we are going to make the necessary changes so it does win.
BT: How long is it going to take?
NT: Do yourself a favour and do a little Google on Perth Glory sacking their coach and having an upheaval last year. How are they travelling now? Or Google who won the competition last year (Western Sydney) and where are they travelling? Things can turn around quick in this game. The only thing that won’t change is the media’s perception of me.

Whilst this bloke continues to back a bloke like Stubbins he is proving he has NFI

[Blackmac79]

A few things:

- This appears solely about getting back what Tinkler feels he is owed from the FFA, if he mentions $5million again, my god.
- The use of the words "Commercial" and "emerging Jets" in the same sentence. Player production is going to go fine when aiming to make a profit from working mum and dad.
- Still appears to lack respect or idea about how industrial relations work.
- Seems to like to make references to a) Brisbane SACKING THEIR COACH and starting again and b) Perth SACKING THEIR COACH and starting again, and this is the same as what we are doing.

Hey Mr Tinkler. **** OFF

[hausmann]

Interview with a man who has been cornered. Wants the FFA to treat him fairly now but is not going to show the money to sacked players until they sign theur rights away. Bit hypocritical. Once again it is all about him with absolutely no thought or understanding of supporter culture. Supporters are an afterthought at best or considered fools if they disagree with him. Get rid of this bloke.

[Pico]

Gallop tells Tinkler to move quickly or else
By IAN McCULLOUGH and JAMES GARDINER
Feb. 3, 2015, 9:30 p.m

FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop has ordered Jets owner Nathan Tinkler to get the A-League club’s house in order or face the consequences.

The FFA issued the Jets a show-cause notice on Monday after Tinkler missed a January 31 deadline to pay well in excess of $500,000 to creditors.

The formal issue of a notice is the first step towards revoking the club’s licence.

The governing body did not detail how long Tinkler had to settle the debts and fix operational issues, but it was clear it wanted immediate action.

‘‘We’ve had concerns about the state of the club for some time now,’’ Gallop said on Tuesday. ‘‘We’ve given the club formal notice around their financial position and we need to put things in place quickly.

‘‘It’s our responsibility to make sure that the club is aware of its obligations and fills those obligations in a timely manner. The consequences are obvious.’’

Already without a chief executive after Robbie Middleby and chairman Ray Baartz quit last month, Tinkler moved last week to sack five senior players and let go three members of the coaching staff.

Assistant coach Michael Bridges has left and Argentine striker Jeronimo is believed to want out.

Championship-winning assistant coach Mark Jones has returned and former Olyroos winger Travis Cooper and South Korean left back Lee Ki-je signed short-term deals on Tuesday.

Gallop said the way the club was being run was not up to the standard of a professional sporting organisation.

‘‘We’re the controlling body of the sport and we’re entitled to require our clubs to operate in a sustainable and responsible way,’’ he said.

‘‘If that doesn’t happen, there are steps we can take. We’re not at that stage yet.

‘‘We’ve given the club time to manage its affairs, but that can’t be timeless.’’

Tinkler said last week that he was willing to pay the Jets’ debts, but only if the FFA paid him back $5million he claims he is owed, believing he was overcharged when he took over the club from Con Constantine in 2010.

The Newcastle Herald reported in May 2012 that Tinkler had paid FFA a $3.5million acquisition fee when he took over.

Tinkler tried to hand back the licence over the fee before reaching a compromise at a meeting with FFA chairman Frank Lowy in a Brisbane airport hangar.

It is understood the compromise, including a settlement to Jason Culina, who was sacked in the first year of a three-year, $2.65million deal, was significantly less than the initial figure.

‘‘That issue is in the distant past, in our view,’’ Gallop said. ‘‘It’s subject to legally binding settlement agreements.

‘‘We certainly don’t expect there to be focus on that into the future and reject that suggestion and assertion, and that’s been made clear to the current owner. He’s given assurances that he is serious about fixing the club’s financial and operational problems.

‘‘We’ve indicated to him that he needs to now do things to put his words into practice.

‘‘We want to see the club fully staffed and operating in a manner that befits a team in a national competition.’’

After putting the Jets up for sale in August, Tinkler took the club off the market last month despite an approach from Dundee United, who would not meet the $5million price tag.

Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson is in Australia and keeping close tabs on the ownership developments.

United, who have posted a profit in four of the past five years, pocketed $3.9million on Tuesday after the transfer of midfielder Stuart Armstrong and winger Gary Mackay-Steven to Celtic.

Tinkler appears to have the backing of fellow A-League owners. The chairmen are understood to have held an informal meeting where they agreed to support the former billionaire as long as he cleared his debts by the end of February.

www.theherald.com.au/story/2860056/gallop-tells-tinkler-to-move-quickly-or-else/?cs=306


Strange to see the HAL owners backing Tinks, you'd think they'd pick their battles and allies a little better.

[westjet]

Love how he argues that he wont fix the debts until the FFA gives all the guarantees that he will keep his licence and then goes on to say he cant understand why the players are refusing to sign mutual terminations until they have received all their entitlements since they have been fired. Lets hope the FFA take the same approach with him soon.
This bloke is delusional!

[Pico]

Interview with a man who has been cornered.

That's exactly what I took out of the piece too. He clearly has his back against the wall and appears to be very concerned about his license, wonder why that is, if he had the means to address all the concerns as he claims the FFA would have no grounds, not to mention this is the bloke who was allegedly ready to launch legal action.

I had to laugh at the line about not paying his emerging jets bill because he basically wants some leverage over NNSW, whilst complaining like a little bitch about how he's treated by the FFA. This bloke has the worlds largest victim syndrome I've ever seen.

Good to see the CEO has some brains by running to the hills, you'd be a fool to get into bed with Tinks, I'm looking at you Stillborn!

[Jeterpool]

Strange to see the HAL owners backing Tinks, you'd think they'd pick their battles and allies a little better.

It doesn't say how many support him.

[weston]

Anyone else wake up this morning with a hate for Everton?