The Politics/Religion/Conspiracies Deathmatch Thread

[The Dunster]

Couple of points on this:
1. You are correct, the American economy, under the usual popular metrics is ticking along ok, and Obama should be praised for that. But the argument is he 'spent' his way out of it with someone elses money and has no plan to reduce the debt that he incurred along the way.
Amazingly, through the campaign Obama didnt get enough credit for his handling of the economy, and neither Trump nor Clinton ever really focused on specific economic plans. To be fair though the question wasn't really asked of them and the public didnt 'seem' to make it an issue either. Everyone had their heads in the sands and were all cool cool with it.

2. Trump wants American business to shift manufacturing plants from Mexico back to America (he called out the auto industry mostly). The idea seems to be that if the US Govt is going to subsidise these industries then they will need to give something back. I think thats a pretty noble way of doing it. It also then puts pressure on Mexico and maybe it brings them to the table about their involvement in illegal immigration (the whole 'wall' deal). His mindset (and most business people) is that "if im paying for it, i want something back". Career pollies have no problem spending everyone elses money, at least Trump puts a 'value' on Government help.

3. One thing Americans are still angry about is the after effects of the GFC. Back then Bush and Obama used taxpayers money to bail out all these reckless banks but they never ever held anyone from these organisations accountable for their actions. In fact, it was widely reported that they used the bailout money to give themselves bonuses and absolutely took the piss.
Americans put that squarely on Obama and the way Trump linked in Hillary to all of that behaviour was a brilliant tactic. It was greed and corruption at its absolute worse, and the politicians stood around and let it happen. Average Joe can't fathom it, and i think it made a real impact with voters.

1. Wrong. Tax payers do not fund a cent of government spending. it's not been that way since Nixon closed the discount window in 1971.
2. Yes. Fender the guitar manufacturer are a prime example.
3. Yes and no. Tax payers didn't fund a thing - but as you imply it's the idea that they think they have which causes all the problems. However, those very same people that benefited from the collapse are also Trumps backers - so bit of a catch 22 really. Mind you this shit's been happening since 1971 but is slowly starting to change as people are waking up - though I say again very slowly.

It's almost impossible to convince peopple that taxes don't / can't fund government spending - but once people do start to realise, the days of the leisure classes will well and truly be numbered. Unfortunately I won't see it in my life time unless I live to be 100 or more.

Then you see a video like this and realise that we can all be better people it's just that the puppet masters have us chasing rainbows and material wealth rather than looking at whats important.