Daily Australian News Thread 2015 [Archive] - Page 3

hausmann

04-02-2015, 07:40 AM

FFA want him to see him run the club professionally or they will strip the license

Tinks is saying he won't run the club professionally until he gets assurances that they won't strip the license. He is in no position to make this demand.

This all came to a head because he ran the club unprofessionally by not paying debts and backing the coach, causing the CEO and Chairman to resign, followed by unfair sacking of 5 players and 3 coaches, causing a further coach to resign. He is clearly shown to be negligent in running the club.

Tinks cannot hold a gun to FFAs head. If he wants to keep the club, get everything into shape like it should be. Absolutely ludicrous that he is now asking for the FFA to give assurances that it won't take his license from him with the club in the state it is in.

The fact that he is talking to everyone except Herald reporters shows how much shit we still would have to put up with.

idontwannaplaywithhowey

04-02-2015, 07:40 AM

Surely he cant think he is fooling anyone.Get the toys back in the pram and toddle off thanks...

BodyNovo

04-02-2015, 07:49 AM

leftrightout

04-02-2015, 07:52 AM

The sacked players wont sign until they are paid.... haha they must have had a few local businesses give them advice!

Tinks - "Here guys, just sign here where it says i owe you $XXXX"
Players sign
Tinks - "Great work guys, now just head to the back of the line of people i owe money to"

I say good on the players, stick it to the fat man!

hausmann

04-02-2015, 08:26 AM

Gotta be honest, there wasn't a whole deal in the Toohey/Tinkler interview that I disagreed with - apart from the 5 players thing. To me, Tinkler isn't exactly saying many things wrong.

But that interview didn't mention Stubbins at all - who I think is the real issue and the thing that Tinkler is getting wrong here.

It all sounds reasonable until you consider that he is the one who put himself in this position.

He says he wasn't responsible for the last 4 years because he left that to other people.

But when he comes and does take charge he blows the place up. It's not like he consulted anyone for advice or let people know what his strategy was before he took action, he just did what he wanted to do. That's not a good sign for the future IMO.

If he really wants to keep it, he should be the one taking the risk - clearing the debts, appointing a CEO with some kind of assurance that he'll be looked after if the FFA takes over, paying the players who he summarily sacked. The fact that he still wants to do everything to his own timeline shows that he doesn't have what it takes to run a club.

pv4

04-02-2015, 08:32 AM

If he really wants to keep it, he should be the one taking the risk - clearing the debts, appointing a CEO with some kind of assurance that he'll be looked after if the FFA takes over, paying the players who he summarily sacked. The fact that he still wants to do everything to his own timeline shows that he doesn't have what it takes to run a club.

To be fair, this shitstorm started 2 weeks ago or thereabouts. And he has said he has always aimed at clearing the debts, appointing the CEO, and paying out the sacked people in roughly two weeks (mid Feb). A month turnaround for these kind of things, particularly when he's not even based in Newy (he said he's changing that) and has just come onto the scene properly, isn't that unrealistic IMO. The debts he owes would take I imagine a couple of weeks to clear for him to pay, so that's OK (although to be fair, it shouldn't have gotten to this late a stage, but it seems Tinkler has said it hinges on some non-financial arrangements that he'll get the new CEO to do. Regardless, NNSW claim to be a non-profit organisation who have a tonne of leftover cash each year so I don't think they're ceasing to operate without Tinkler's money tbh). Hunting down an appropriate CEO is a length process, apparently he only interviewed guys last week and tabled an offer late last week t one of them, so that process isn't going to happen instantly. The sacked players being paid redundancy or whatever you want to call it is probably the only thing he should have sorted instantly, but again that is being halted as the PFA are seemingly fighting it.

I don't agree with everything he has done but when solely talking timelines, and comparing it to how normal businesses operate, I'm not that worried about the length of time he's taking to sort things tbh.

Wilso8948

04-02-2015, 08:36 AM

To be fair, this shitstorm started 2 weeks ago or thereabouts. And he has said he has always aimed at clearing the debts, appointing the CEO, and paying out the sacked people in roughly two weeks (mid Feb). A month turnaround for these kind of things, particularly when he's not even based in Newy (he said he's changing that) and has just come onto the scene properly, isn't that unrealistic IMO. The debts he owes would take I imagine a couple of weeks to clear for him to pay, so that's OK (although to be fair, it shouldn't have gotten to this late a stage, but it seems Tinkler has said it hinges on some non-financial arrangements that he'll get the new CEO to do. Regardless, NNSW claim to be a non-profit organisation who have a tonne of leftover cash each year so I don't think they're ceasing to operate without Tinkler's money tbh). Hunting down an appropriate CEO is a length process, apparently he only interviewed guys last week and tabled an offer late last week t one of them, so that process isn't going to happen instantly. The sacked players being paid redundancy or whatever you want to call it is probably the only thing he should have sorted instantly, but again that is being halted as the PFA are seemingly fighting it.

I don't agree with everything he has done but when solely talking timelines, and comparing it to how normal businesses operate, I'm not that worried about the length of time he's taking to sort things tbh.

Righto Palmer

hausmann

04-02-2015, 08:39 AM

"for these kind of things"

That's the key part of your statement. He's going to the FFA saying, I've personally gone in and ****ed the whole place up so you need to give me the time I need to fix it.

Everything he's done, he could have done it a different way to ensure a smooth transition through to the winning culture that he apparently wants.

Yes, the FFA could give him the time to fix it, or they can used it as leverage to get rid of him. It's up to them. They may not get another chance like this because they can't just whip the license off him without serious reason and it appears, with Dundee United, all the stars have aligned.

I personally think they would prefer to have an owner that manages change a bit better than how Tinkler has done it.

Grimario

04-02-2015, 08:57 AM

NT: Because of a combination of reasons. There are a few things there that I want the new CEO to come in and get on. There are some pretty uncommercial arrangements around the Emerging Jets (junior) program and other areas that I think need restructuring. If I come running in and pay the money, then what happens? Everyone just keeps their hand out. There has been a real hand-out culture at the club to the point where now, even players think they can dominate it. We have started putting money in. You’ve seen players being signed — that doesn’t happen with no money. Getting the roster right has been the first thing we have taken on.

What an absolute load of BS that is. Is someone going to call him on the fact that the club doesn't have to cover player wages as it is 100% covered by the TV deal? Unless he breaches the cap, there's no issue with player wages and he hasn't put any money in for that.

Guess a turd rolled in coal is about the same as a turd rolled in diamonds. **** off, you disease.

BodyNovo

04-02-2015, 09:10 AM

What an absolute load of BS that is. Is someone going to call him on the fact that the club doesn't have to cover player wages as it is 100% covered by the TV deal? Unless he breaches the cap, there's no issue with player wages and he hasn't put any money in for that.

Guess a turd rolled in coal is about the same as a turd rolled in diamonds. **** off, you disease.

thought this exact same thing, knowing tinks but he probably uses the grant to pay off other shit.

plague

04-02-2015, 09:20 AM

If he had a better PR rep he'd be seen as a visionary.

Alas....

Grimario

04-02-2015, 09:21 AM

thought this exact same thing, knowing tinks but he probably uses the grant to pay off other shit.

Didn't someone outline how the salary cap and player payments work recently? I thought he couldn't get his grubby hands on it.

pv4

04-02-2015, 09:30 AM

Didn't someone outline how the salary cap and player payments work recently? I thought he couldn't get his grubby hands on it.

I did.

The FFA uses the TV deal to subsidize the salary cap for all clubs. If they don't use all of the cap, the clubs do not get the leftover money of the cap to use for themselves - the FFA just don't pay them the leftover money.

I'm not sure who pays for the termination of contracts.

From where I'm sitting, you guys are right - the signing players thing doesn't seem to be a valid argument.

Grimario

04-02-2015, 09:34 AM

I did.

The FFA uses the TV deal to subsidize the salary cap for all clubs. If they don't use all of the cap, the clubs do not get the leftover money of the cap to use for themselves - the FFA just don't pay them the leftover money.

I'm not sure who pays for the termination of contracts.

From where I'm sitting, you guys are right - the signing players thing doesn't seem to be a valid argument.

Termination of contracts would have to come out of the cap anyway, so I imagine it would be part of the TV monies.

And I knew it was you, I just didn't want to give you any credit. Gypo.

pv4

04-02-2015, 09:48 AM

Termination of contracts would have to come out of the cap anyway, so I imagine it would be part of the TV monies.

And I knew it was you, I just didn't want to give you any credit. Gypo.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of clause that said clubs had to pay the terminations themselves though. I can't see how the FFA would encourage clubs to sack players, particularly if the PFA had anything to say when the whole CBA etc was arranged.

Grimario

04-02-2015, 09:53 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some form of clause that said clubs had to pay the terminations themselves though. I can't see how the FFA would encourage clubs to sack players, particularly if the PFA had anything to say when the whole CBA etc was arranged.

Why though? Their salaries count towards the cap, the club don't get to get that money back. If it's not covered by the TV money, then it shouldn't be part of the cap.

pv4

04-02-2015, 10:08 AM

Why though? Their salaries count towards the cap, the club don't get to get that money back. If it's not covered by the TV money, then it shouldn't be part of the cap.

I don't know if it is the case, but I was just guessing it could potentially be so.

If it was, it would be to discourage clubs from sacking their players, and to either reach a mutual termination or to just keep their players - something I would have thought the PFA would want to see in most cases.

Hunter403

04-02-2015, 10:24 AM

Tinkler can't base himself here or even in the country. Allegedly he has a massive tax bill that he avoids by having residency status in Singapore. He moves back here and the bill will have to be paid. You reckon he can cope with that? His hands-on running of the club is short term

Grimario

04-02-2015, 10:24 AM

If it was, it would be to discourage clubs from sacking their players, and to either reach a mutual termination or to just keep their players - something I would have thought the PFA would want to see in most cases.

Well, isn't that the whole point? They haven't been sacked - the only one is Carney and that's been disputed. The rest are mutual terminations... and even Carney was offered a mutual termination, which he declined, before the club tried to sack him.

pv4

04-02-2015, 10:31 AM

Well, isn't that the whole point? They haven't been sacked - the only one is Carney and that's been disputed. The rest are mutual terminations... and even Carney was offered a mutual termination, which he declined, before the club tried to sack him.

When I'm talking I'm referring to mutual terminations being a contract being ripped up with no money paid from the club (which usually happens in cases where players want out and find a better club, like Steele, Gallaway, Flores), and a termination (what I believe has happened with the 4 sacked bar Carney) being one where money is paid from the club.

Grimario

04-02-2015, 10:34 AM

When I'm talking I'm referring to mutual terminations being a contract being ripped up with no money paid from the club (which usually happens in cases where players want out and find a better club, like Steele, Gallaway, Flores), and a termination (what I believe has happened with the 4 sacked bar Carney) being one where money is paid from the club.

You need to play more Football Manager so you can mutually terminate players. There's generally an agreed termination fee and the scenario we have here where players essentially transfer for free could be done away with in the HAL if transfers between clubs were actually a thing (which they are anyway by virtue of this "termination" malarkey we have)

Skirt Boy

04-02-2015, 10:59 AM

I'd support transfer fees in the A-league. Obviously there would need to be a cap on the amounts but it could be a way for the povo clubs to garner income in the absence of a sugar daddy.

BodyNovo

04-02-2015, 11:02 AM

I'd support transfer fees in the A-league. Obviously there would need to be a cap on the amounts but it could be a way for the povo clubs to garner income in the absence of a sugar daddy.

and boom we are 7th forever while sydney, melbournes, and perth win everything.

Grimario

04-02-2015, 11:06 AM

and boom we are 7th forever while sydney, melbournes, and perth win everything.

Why? Doesn't mean the rich clubs can buy the players already contracted. It doesn't bypass the salary cap.

De-Champ

04-02-2015, 11:21 AM

Why? Doesn't mean the rich clubs can buy the players already contracted. It doesn't bypass the salary cap.

It means the poorer clubs can't buy decent players.

Grimario

04-02-2015, 11:40 AM

It means the poorer clubs can't buy decent players.

How does the ability for Melb City to go "Dear Jerks, we would like to offer you a million for Player A" have anything to do with the Jets ability to sign people on contracts? Melb City still have to fit Player A into the contract, it doesn't suddenly mean they can buy all the best players in the league nor does a transfer offer have to be accepted or Player A accept the contract.

Transfers already exist, anyone who says otherwise is deluded. They just call them "mutual terminations - oh look, that player magically joined a different team the same day!".

MFKS

04-02-2015, 12:42 PM

How does the ability for Melb City to go "Dear Jerks, we would like to offer you a million for Player A" have anything to do with the Jets ability to sign people on contracts? Melb City still have to fit Player A into the contract, it doesn't suddenly mean they can buy all the best players in the league nor does a transfer offer have to be accepted or Player A accept the contract.

Transfers already exist, anyone who says otherwise is deluded. They just call them "mutual terminations - oh look, that player magically joined a different team the same day!".
Your as deluded as Tinker and Stubbins

If Heart wish to pay anything for any of our players bite their ****ing arm off.

Your point falls flat on its arse after that

plague

04-02-2015, 12:45 PM

It means the poorer clubs can't buy decent players.

No it means they can't buy decent players already under contract, which they can't do now anyway innit?

Grimario

04-02-2015, 12:46 PM

Your as deluded as Tinker and Stubbins

If Heart wish to pay anything for any of our players bite their ****ing arm off.

Your point falls flat on its arse after that

"Hey Jets, can we buy Griff for $10?"

Your point falls flat on its arse.

MFKS

04-02-2015, 12:48 PM

"Hey Jets, can we buy Griff for $10?"

Your point falls flat on its arse.
Griff's been sacked

Your point falls flat on your arse.

The rest of them are worthless now Birraz has left

Grimario

04-02-2015, 01:10 PM

Griff's been sacked

Your point falls flat on your arse.

The rest of them are worthless now Birraz has left

Until he signs termination papers, he is still a Jet.

hausmann

05-02-2015, 08:36 AM

‘‘Through the review, not just by myself but more so the chairman, after going through and getting an insight of the landscape, decided to go in a way he has,’’ the coach said.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2861044/give-me-a-year-to-revive-jets-stubbins/?cs=306

This quote I think reveals what went on when Phil went to Brisbane. A naïve coach laying it all out for a volatile owner who then loses his cool and takes a knee jerk reaction. Doesn't he know that guys like Tinkler need to be shown the right course of action to take? He should have said "Yes, we could go that way and sack everyone, but here is a better way".

I still kinda feel sorry for Phil, like he is way out of his depth making mistake after mistake, in a Frank Spencer kind of way.

981

But maybe that is me being a little naïve.

MFKS

05-02-2015, 09:33 AM

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2861044/give-me-a-year-to-revive-jets-stubbins/?cs=306

This quote I think reveals what went on when Phil went to Brisbane. A naïve coach laying it all out for a volatile owner who then loses his cool and takes a knee jerk reaction. Doesn't he know that guys like Tinkler need to be shown the right course of action to take? He should have said "Yes, we could go that way and sack everyone, but here is a better way".

I still kinda feel sorry for Phil, like he is way out of his depth making mistake after mistake, in a Frank Spencer kind of way.

981
But maybe that is me being a little naïve.

That quote just shows the bloke to have been clueless with his Management

When he came in he should have noticed immediately these issues or noticed them as time dragged on and acted on them accordingly. He could have fixed them by benching/not selecting players transferring players out etc

He chose not to. Lose one game 7-0 and then all of a sudden it is clear as day what needs to happen?? FMD

The bloke if he had any leadership skills at all would have had a plan to go forward and would have told Tinkler this is what we should be doing.

He has just let some other bloke who has NFI about football make decisions on his team and he now has to wear the consequences

scarfy96

05-02-2015, 10:09 AM

Agree 100% with MFKS, the fact it got to this just highlights how incompetent he is as a manager.

idontwannaplaywithhowey

05-02-2015, 10:12 AM

Agree 100% with MFKS, the fact it got to this just highlights how incompetent he is as a manager.

and as a human being

MFKS

05-02-2015, 11:04 AM

What price these two blokes blow a nut either Friday night or early next week about the fans blowing up tomorrow night??

There seems quite a lot of denial and complete lack of touch with reality between the pair with everything they do yet they seem convinced they know no wrong.

Nothing about either of them makes me think they will see what's coming tomorrow night or will under estimate it nor do I see wither of them actually swallowing it either and letting it go.

borat

05-02-2015, 11:06 AM

If Tinkler holds on to the club I can see Stubbins being let go in the off season. He contradicted Tinkler on a couple of occasions and seems to be trying to be mates/play off both sides and doing a poor job of it.

Newy

05-02-2015, 01:33 PM

Taylor Reagan will be announced as skipper...

Grif... organised meeting on revolt against stubbins....

after meeting with players.. grif phones tinkler himself....

tinkler blew his stack.

and sacked everyone that said anything.

Hate to say I told you so

Newy

05-02-2015, 01:35 PM

can also tell you.. David Carney threatened to punch Bridges face in...

but anything else to report is pretty personal and not best in this forum

furns

05-02-2015, 01:49 PM

That's pretty much what most people were thinking happened
We knew that this "culture change" line from Tinkler & Stubbins was all bollocks

pv4

05-02-2015, 01:50 PM

can also tell you.. David Carney threatened to punch Bridges face in...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuedZ1Y_dU4

MFKS

05-02-2015, 04:07 PM

can also tell you.. David Carney threatened to punch Bridges face in...

but anything else to report is pretty personal and not best in this forum

Seeing as you have dropped this bit of gossip is this one of his 3 breaches or a separate issue???

plague

05-02-2015, 04:16 PM

can also tell you.. David Carney threatened to punch Bridges face in...

Obviously got the sack coz he didn't follow through with it.

Soft.

hawk

05-02-2015, 06:25 PM

can also tell you.. David Carney threatened to punch Bridges face in...

but anything else to report is pretty personal and not best in this forum

why? we are adults and we can form real opinions instead of guessing.

Carneys threat isnt that bad

joel31

05-02-2015, 06:40 PM

http://dufc.co/news/club-must-always-come-first/
Dundee say they are not going to buy any club

Beeen

05-02-2015, 07:30 PM

Thought as much

matty

05-02-2015, 07:33 PM

Jim spence told me last night that thompson is giving the club to his sister to run and he is now in a consortium to buy newcastle

Jetmaster

05-02-2015, 07:34 PM

If it was to happen Thompson has already said it would be a private deal with himself involved, not the club Dundee Utd.

My2BobsWorth

05-02-2015, 07:37 PM

BREAKING NEWS-- Tinks is Bridgey dressed in a fat suit.
You knew all along didn't you.

westjet

05-02-2015, 07:42 PM

After the most tumultuous two weeks in the club's history, Newcastle Jets returns to A-League action on Friday against Brisbane Roar.

The Jets will be fielding a new-look side and under-fire head coach Phil Stubbins insists he's still the right man for the job.

Reigning premier Brisbane was a 4-0 winner at Hunter Stadium earlier this season with Brazilian striker Henrique bagging a hat-trick.

Eight of the players that featured in the Jets side that day have since departed with four of Stubbins' backroom staff also exiting the club in the wake of the 7-0 defeat by Adelaide a fortnight ago.

To make matters worse, owner Nathan Tinkler was served with a show-cause notice this week after failing to meet a Football Federation Australia (FFA) deadline to pay debts of $500,000.

FFA chief David Gallop has warned the mining magnate that, unless he gets his house in order, the game's governing body is ready to step in and take over if he fails to clear those debts and appoint a CEO - a position that's still vacant after Robbie Middleby quit just after Christmas.

It's hardly the best preparation for a game but Stubbins maintains he has what it takes to motivate a side that will be skippered by local product Taylor Regan following Kew Jaliens' and Joel Griffiths' sackings last week.

It's understood the armband was originally offered to midfield duo Ben Kantarovski and Zenon Caravella but the pair refused out of respect to their axed teammates.

"We have certainly had some things that could have gone the other way and worked out in a better light for the club and myself," Stubbins told reporters this week.

"We made some bold decisions and we are moving forward. In terms of a timeframe, I would say give me until this time next year."

Jeronimo Neumann became the 10th player to part ways with the Jets this season on Wednesday after his contract was mutually terminated.

The Brazilian striker's departure follows that of Billy Celeski, David Carney, Adrian Madaschi, Marcos Flores and Jonny Steele, who were all signed by Stubbins.

The coach admits his recruitment could have been better: "There are players there in the five that I had something to do with signing," Stubbins said.

"Sometimes you don't get it right. I put my hand up there. It got to a point where we decided to move in a different way.

"Perhaps the service we have hoped for from some of those players wasn't to the level we had hoped."

New signings Daniel Mullen and Travis Cooper are expected to feature against Brisbane, with youngsters Mitch Cooper and Nick Cowburn in line to make their debuts after being promoted from the youth team.

Korean left back Lee Ki-je is unlikely to play, with the club still waiting for his work visa to be approved.

THE REVOLVING DOOR AT THE NEWCASTLE JETS SINCE DECEMBER

Outs:

Robbie Middleby CEO - resigned

Ray Baartz Chairman - resigned

Marcos Flores midfielder - released to Jacksonville Armada

Johnny Steele striker - released

Sam Gallaway defender - released to Western Sydney

Mark Birighitti GK - loaned to AS Varese (Italy)

Kew Jaliens defender - sacked

Joel Griffiths striker - sacked

Billy Celeski defender - sacked

David Carney midfielder - sacked

Adrian Madaschi defender - sacked

Jeronimo Neumann striker - released

Clayton Zane assistant coach - sacked

Neil Young goalkeeping coach - sacked

Andrew Packer strength and conditioning coach - sacked.

Michael Bridges youth team coach - resigned

Ins:

Jess Vanstrattan goalkeeper/coach - Central Coast Mariners youth

Travis Cooper midfielder - VVV Venlo (Holland)

Daniel Mullen defender - Western Sydney Wanderers

Lee Ki-Je defender - Shimizu S-Pulse (Japan)

Mark Jones strength and conditioning coach

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/02/05/coach-stubbins-stays-defiant-crisis-torn-jets

Interesting Kanta and Caravella turned it down - gotta respect their support for the others.

ANd stubbins if you decide to go a different way thats fine but treat the players with some respect you myth of a coach.

MFKS

05-02-2015, 08:28 PM

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/02/05/coach-stubbins-stays-defiant-crisis-torn-jets

Interesting Kanta and Caravella turned it down - gotta respect their support for the others.

ANd stubbins if you decide to go a different way thats fine but treat the players with some respect you myth of a coach.
Respect what's that??

The club has chosen to shaft 4 players and done so in such a poor way it defies belief

The club has treated the club icon and fans hero in a disgraceful manner

The club has shat on its supporters

Respect is not part of our clubs ethos at all

hawk

05-02-2015, 08:30 PM

Thomas477

05-02-2015, 08:42 PM

Kanta and Uturn :wub:

hawk

06-02-2015, 12:38 AM

THE NSW Office of State Revenue has moved to wind up the Newcastle Jets over unpaid debts.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2865297/move-to-wind-up-jets-over-tinkler-debts/?cs=305#

those cunce who wanted it wound up can have their aids

Blackmac79

06-02-2015, 05:17 AM

The herald half-time show is interesting.

Middleby never had a cent to run the club, would chase Tinkler/Palmer who would palm him off. Tinkler's statement that he never knew how bad the debts were is a lie.

Jimmy reckons this will carry on for weeks, if not months.

Lowe things that there would be a fair amount of disharmony within the remaining player group, particularly with those who have come in.

Joel is having a bad time. Doesn't want to leave. Loves club and city.

Lowe falls asleep I think between 9-10mins. Woop he is awake.

WE (as fans) have been tolerant (thanks Captain), our club is being held to ransom (thanks lowy).

sammydog

06-02-2015, 06:05 AM

The herald half-time show is interesting.

Middleby never had a cent to run the club, would chase Tinkler/Palmer who would palm him off. Tinkler's statement that he never knew how bad the debts were is a lie.

But, But.....the forum told me this mess was completely Middleby's doing. Nothing to do with an owner pulling the strings with no idea.

Jeterpool

06-02-2015, 06:34 AM

But, But.....the forum told me this mess was completely Middleby's doing. Nothing to do with an owner pulling the strings with no idea.

Perhaps the Internet lied! It wasn't everyone blaming him either :)

leftrightout

06-02-2015, 07:11 AM

But, But.....the forum told me this mess was completely Middleby's doing. Nothing to do with an owner pulling the strings with no idea.

Yeah isn't it funny, in hindsight Middleby was really keeping a sinking ship reasonably we balanced in comparison to now!

plague

06-02-2015, 07:30 AM

Yeah isn't it funny, in hindsight Middleby was really keeping a sinking ship reasonably we balanced in comparison to now!

Well now that Middleby is in administration paradise with his 72 virgins he probably doesn't give a shit.

Some of you lot running him out of town was probably best for everyone.

He died for our sins.

MFKS

06-02-2015, 07:56 AM

Yeah isn't it funny, in hindsight Middleby was really keeping a sinking ship reasonably we balanced in comparison to now!

Tinklers scorched earth policy he is operating on does not in anyway make Middleby look more competent.

I will point out the other side here.

If Middleby could have ran the club well Tinkler would have been able to sell the club for better value than is currently available and would most likely have ****ed off by now.

Our shitfest is the culmination of many factors. A hell of a lot of them that could have been avoided if we had competent CEO the last few years

sammydog

06-02-2015, 08:13 AM

If Middleby could have ran the club well Tinkler would have been able to sell the club for better value than is currently available and would most likely have ****ed off by now.

Our shitfest is the culmination of many factors. A hell of a lot of them that could have been avoided if we had competent CEO the last few years

Maybe he could have run the club well, if Tinkler hadn't actually have been so involved previously. Don't kid yourself that he has only just stepped in.

MFKS

06-02-2015, 08:15 AM

Maybe he could have run the club well, if Tinkler hadn't actually have been so involved previously. Don't kid yourself that he has only just stepped in.

Yep his efforts at Nth Qld Fury prove what a great administrator he is.

sammydog

06-02-2015, 08:36 AM

Yep his efforts at Nth Qld Fury prove what a great administrator he is.

I thought Dean Hassall was their CEO and Middleby had a lesser role (football chief) in the club after he finished as a player?

In their second season Rabieh Krayem was CEO. Middleby never had that job in the club. Not sure even you can hang the Fury's demise on his head.

MFKS

06-02-2015, 09:09 AM

pv4

06-02-2015, 09:17 AM

I just would like someone to list all Middleby's notable achievements whilst in football admin.

- brought Griff back
- brought E&C back

I don't need any longer a list tbh. Btw - esad to the 24% who didn't vote E&C.

leftrightout

06-02-2015, 09:40 AM

Not hanging their demise on his head. Their failing was down to a lack of capitalisation coupled with FFA failings with expansion.

I just would like someone to list all Middleby's notable achievements whilst in football admin.

You should be able to compile a nice long list to convince me I am wrong and incorrect in my assessment that as a football administrator his qualities are lacking

Now if you can list (not from pure speculation) things that he was proven to do wrong?
Im not saying he is this great administrator. I didn't want him as much as the next bloke (unless that next bloke was you), he was under qualified for such a position. All im saying is if you look at how things have panned out and he didn't do as bad a job as we though. That's not to say he did some bang up job and is the best in the world, so please so take it like that.

lil_masi

06-02-2015, 09:46 AM

belchardo

06-02-2015, 10:04 AM

We need someone with ALOT more knowledge

which means a lot more money, which tinkler won't give/doesn't have.

MFKS

06-02-2015, 10:26 AM

Now if you can list (not from pure speculation) things that he was proven to do wrong?
Im not saying he is this great administrator. I didn't want him as much as the next bloke (unless that next bloke was you), he was under qualified for such a position. All im saying is if you look at how things have panned out and he didn't do as bad a job as we though. That's not to say he did some bang up job and is the best in the world, so please so take it like that.

How things have panned out have no ****ing bearing at all on being in Middleby's accomplishments or are a feather in his cap for holding the place together. Tinkler/Stubbins have deadest lost the plot in the last 3-4 weeks and the fallout from their crazy spell has nothing to do with Middleby at all.

If we had a solid club run well making the top 6 occasionally and being competitive etc do you think this insanity from Tinkler and Stubbins occurs??

The failings of the solid club go back to the money squandered under Middleby's watch with **** all return for Tinkler.

Bon

06-02-2015, 11:24 AM

Mitchell Murphy is the new CEO..

sammydog

06-02-2015, 11:24 AM

New CEO

The Newcastle Jets have appointed Mitchell Murphy as their new Chief Executive Officer.

Mr Murphy is a former CEO of Football Federation Victoria (FFV).

During his tenure at FFV, Murphy delivered a significant turnaround of financial performance, successfully implemented the state’s National Premier League competition, and was a key architect of Melbourne Victory’s Westfield W-League 2014 Grand Final triumph.

  Murphy has a Master of Business Administration (MBA) from RMIT and has completed the Australian Institute of Company Directors course.

He has a close affinity to football, with teenage son Samuel a current South Coast regional youth league representative player, while his niece, Matildas’ star Katrina Gorry, is the reigning AFC Women’s Player of the Year.

Newcastle Jets Chairman Nathan Tinkler said he is delighted to secure Mr Murphy’s services.

“Mitchell has immense corporate experience, proven business acumen and brings a first-rate network of high profile contacts to the table,” Mr Tinkler said.

“Mitchell will work tirelessly to interact with the Hunter community and also be a fine ambassador for our club in terms of working closely with sponsors and other key stakeholders.”

Murphy has experience in the FMCG industry and a vast media background, including a decade in senior management roles with Fairfax Media. He is also a former Executive Director (Publishing) of the media industry’s peak industry body, The Newspaper Works.

“The Hyundai A-League continues to go from strength to strength and I’m delighted to be given the opportunity to lead the Newcastle Jets,” Murphy said.

“The superb crowds at the recent AFC Asian Cup games played in Newcastle reflects the region’s affection for the world game.

“It’s imperative our club has a strategic mindset and builds a sustainable winning culture both on and off the field.

“We need to focus on the future and not dwell on the past.  

“Developing a strong playing roster and forging long-term partnerships with quality sponsors are obviously of paramount importance.

“I’m looking forward to engaging with the Jets’ passionate membership base.

“Seeking feedback from members and fans about ways to improve the match day experience and the design of our playing strip for next season is high on my agenda.

“I’m fully committed to developing cohesive working relationships with Football Federation Australia (FFA) and Northern NSW Football.”

Mr Murphy will officially commence his role with the Jets on Monday 16 February.

BodyNovo

06-02-2015, 11:28 AM

not a bad track record.

hawk

06-02-2015, 11:35 AM

But, But.....the forum told me this mess was completely Middleby's doing. Nothing to do with an owner pulling the strings with no idea.

lol. good point.

I have never seen so many fans united around one situation. Even Con had for & against.

plague

06-02-2015, 11:37 AM

Mitchell Murphy is the new CEO..

geez, i swear i saw him die on that hill in Lone Survivor.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1***511!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/lone22n-4-web.jpg

oh, soz for spoiler.

pv4

06-02-2015, 11:40 AM

Murphy's Law innit

MFKS

06-02-2015, 11:47 AM

hawk

06-02-2015, 11:48 AM

Murphy's Law innit

We're right now cause we have another admin dude. Doesnt matter if we think they are up to level or not

plague

06-02-2015, 11:51 AM

Murphy's Law innit

i just hope the Herald pays you royalties when they use that within the next 48hrs.

Grimario

06-02-2015, 11:54 AM

Looks a solid appointment in some regards.

The scary thing with this appointment is that Tinkler could actually be serious about running the club well.

This shit recently just might well be his shithouse way of doing things

Yep.

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/club-makes-key-payments/p8k1ukt3dcss1g6mafg3s3719

hawk

06-02-2015, 11:59 AM

Yep.

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/club-makes-key-payments/p8k1ukt3dcss1g6mafg3s3719

I am devvo. flat as a tac now

Grimario

06-02-2015, 12:01 PM

I've got no ****ing clue what is going on. He's always talked the talk but now he is doing a little bit of waddling to go with it. Decent (on paper) CEO appointment, debts cleared.

wtf is going on.

MFKS

06-02-2015, 12:04 PM

I've got no ****ing clue what is going on. He's always talked the talk but now he is doing a little bit of waddling to go with it. Decent (on paper) CEO appointment, debts cleared.

wtf is going on.

Mike Ashley will have nothing on Nayfun :roflz:

BodyNovo

06-02-2015, 12:21 PM

way to much for one day my head hurts

Premy

06-02-2015, 12:26 PM

All hail our new overlord Gerry Harvey.

northern_swan

06-02-2015, 12:29 PM

All hail our new overlord Gerry Harvey.

New fridge for the man of the match? Better than a box of mangoes...

lquiquer

06-02-2015, 12:38 PM

hawk

06-02-2015, 12:39 PM

Perfect timing ...........he reads the foz and aware of protest

Protest remains.

Paying some bills and pushing peeps in the door doesnt make any less of a muppet. Still hates football

WolfMan

06-02-2015, 12:52 PM

I am devvo. flat as a tac now

Same goes. So confused

MFKS

06-02-2015, 01:04 PM

Same goes. So confused

Lets just focus on the other 2 pressing issues.
Getting Griff his job back and getting Stubbins admitted to James Fletcher

Worry about Tinks for another day

idontwannaplaywithhowey

06-02-2015, 02:00 PM

Protest remains.

Paying some bills and pushing peeps in the door doesnt make any less of a muppet. Still hates football

Agreed....lets not forget those bills should have been paid about 2 years ago and he is replacing one member of staff ( after completely gutting an entire organisation).

Bon

06-02-2015, 02:06 PM

As mentioned earlier.. Will he be there tonight? Will people start believing him if he shows up??

borat

06-02-2015, 02:19 PM

As mentioned earlier.. Will he be there tonight? Will people start believing him if he shows up??

He said in the SBS interview he would be at the game. Let's see

joel31

06-02-2015, 02:19 PM

Looks a solid appointment in some regards.

The scary thing with this appointment is that Tinkler could actually be serious about running the club well.

This shit recently just might well be his shithouse way of doing things
thats what i've been beginning to think.

Still is dumb to stick by Stubbins

MFKS

06-02-2015, 03:46 PM

thats what i've been beginning to think.

Still is dumb to stick by Stubbins

If he is serious his backing of Stubbins is a big problem. People are gonna hate him for a long time even if we are getting results and playing with style. If he is serious hopefully he will see the light soon and realise he needs a better manager than Stubbins or his plan is doomed to struggle street

hausmann

06-02-2015, 04:13 PM

That's me done then. This will be my last game and only because my kids are playing at half time.

Seems that fat cvnts do win. They just don't do it with my spirit.

sneaky

06-02-2015, 05:17 PM

Hunter403

06-02-2015, 05:35 PM

I actually am going out on a limb and think that Tinks is serious about getting this club up and going again. I think he may get rid of stubbins after all but I think he will determine that on results and player confidence by end of season.
Reading and watching all articles makes me thinks that Tinks is serious and wants to prove himself and do this!

I really hope you're right. I really do. However I have serious reservations given his history. I would like nothing more than to cheer him when we win the toilet seat in a season or two and mount a serious effort next year. Deep down I reckon I won't be cheering anytime

Pico

06-02-2015, 07:46 PM

And how much longer till he's back to not paying his bill's and screwing people over again, not paying super etc, the bloke has so much form for this sort of action in all his business interests, enough is enough. The bloke is only paying people because the FFA had a gun to his head and a plan B lined up and he thinks he might still be able to cash in, it's just a gamble for tinkler.

I just pray the FFA has enough ammunition to rid newcastle of this parasite, local businesses will continue to shun the jets as long as he is involved. Let's not forget in what the 4 years he had ownership of the license he has had wind up applications from the ATO on multiple occasions.

idontwannaplaywithhowey

06-02-2015, 10:00 PM

Scourge

06-02-2015, 10:09 PM

http://www.a-league.com.au/video/jets-headed-in-the-right-direction/1126433

I wouldn't be holding your breathe on ffa... This was tweeted out during the game

hawk

08-02-2015, 11:08 AM

Friday’s announcement that some Jets creditors had been paid, having waited impatiently for long-overdue liabilities to be settled, was hardly a cause for celebration.

Rather, it was a case of too little, too late. Even if the one-time billionaire was to start paying his bills in a timely fashion, thereby avoiding the type of publicity for which he has become notorious, what evidence is there that he has the faintest idea how to turn the Jets around after five seasons of mediocrity?

His track record speaks for itself.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2867107/sporting-declaration-own-goals-cruel-jets/?cs=305

Sadly i have to agree with this

MFKS

10-02-2015, 07:49 AM

THE dispute between David Carney and the Newcastle Jets over the club’s attempt to sack the former Socceroo is set to come to a head.

Professional Footballers Australia players union has filed a grievance against the Jets on Carney’s behalf and is awaiting instruction from the National Dispute Resolution Chamber.

Carney, who is understood to be on $230,000 a season, is one of five players alongside captain Kew Jaliens, vice captain Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi the Jets moved to cull after a failed player push against coach Phil Stubbins.

The other four, who are off contract, are awaiting revised termination offers.

After initially offering to pay out the final 18 months of Carney’s contract, the Jets moved to sack him with no payout over three alleged breach notices.

Carney has accepted two of the breaches but has rejected the third, which is understood to involve a conversation he had with owner Nathan Tinkler.

The Jets will be formally notified of the grievance and, if they proceed, the matter will be heard by an independent arbitrator.

The first step in that process is a directions hearing, which sets parameters and tables a timeframe for formal submissions.

A PFA spokesman said he expected the issue to be finalised in ‘‘weeks not months’’.

‘‘This is David’s playing career. We want to get through it as quickly as possible,’’ the spokesman said.

With the approval of the PFA, the five exiled players have returned to Jets training but are working apart from the main group.

After rejecting the initial offers due to a lack of protection of player entitlements, including superannuation, the PFA have been waiting more than a week for revised documents.

Tinkler said in a Sydney newspaper report last week that the unwanted players ‘‘are getting what is entitled to them in full’’, but he would not pay them before they sign their termination agreements.

‘‘Everything is there, including superannuation,’’ he said.

‘‘All they have to do is sign the mutual termination with the agreed amount on it and they will be paid. But they want me to pay them first before they sign and that’s not going to happen.

‘‘They are terminated from the club and that’s it. I don’t know why they are hanging around because they made it clear it was an environment they wanted to change and not be a part of.’’

A PFA spokesman responded: ‘‘They have not had an offer that is at a level they are willing to consider.’’

Issued a show cause notice by Football Federation Australia eight days ago over mounting debts and operational issues, Tinkler paid about $500,000 to a series of creditors on Friday.

He also indicated a further $400,000 debt relating to unpaid superannuation for players and staff would be met this week.

If the players agree to mutually terminate, they will become free agents.

Most A-League clubs have full playing rosters.

However, there could be opportunities elsewhere in Asia, with some leagues starting in the next two months.

The Jets cannot sign replacements until the five players have officially departed, and this is affecting training.

With Allan Welsh and Travis Cooper rested after playing youth league on Sunday, they had 12 outfield players at training on Monday.

Gee whiz

Value for Money there

Jeterpool

10-02-2015, 10:07 AM

Gee whiz

Value for Money there

Highest assists for us this season. Arguably our best player so far too.

GazFish35

10-02-2015, 10:11 AM

Highest assists for us this season. Arguably our best player so far too.

correct. many would argue.

Been decent going forward, questionable work rate in defence.

still, if his third breach was "a converstaion with tinkler" he's rating just went up in my book.

borat

10-02-2015, 10:11 AM

Highest assists for us this season. Arguably our best player so far too.

230k is massive overs no matter what he delivers. We knocked back Smeltz in his prime when he wanted that much.

180k would have been a more realistic contract.

And the guy openly breaches his contract twice ffs. SFC scumbag

pv4

10-02-2015, 10:15 AM

borat

10-02-2015, 10:53 AM

230k is not as high as some think.

Ryan Griff was on 200-250k plus a goal bonus.

NTS after SFC came sniffing was on 250k.

Most visa players in the league are on 200-300k, if not on marquee status.

200-250k for a returning Socceroo is quite reasonable IMO.

The common denominator there is the Jets paying overs. 230k is the sort of coin you splash on a goal scoring No 9 or 10.

I don't begrudge Carney or any player for getting that contract when we are stupid enough to pay it. It's his behaviour afterwards that is disgusting.

[edit]. And he wasn't a returning Socceroo. Carney hadn't played for anyone in quite sometime before signing originally with the Jets. We threw him a career lifeline.

I have never been convinced that Middleby had done anything really to warrant the criticism but wasting salary cap like this is certainly worthy

MFKS

10-02-2015, 10:58 AM

The common denominator there is the Jets paying overs. 230k is the sort of coin you splash on a goal scoring No 9 or 10.

I don't begrudge Carney or any player for getting that contract when we are stupid enough to pay it. It's his behaviour afterwards that is disgusting.

[edit]. And he wasn't a returning Socceroo. Carney hadn't played for anyone in quite sometime before signing originally with the Jets. We threw him a career lifeline.

I have never been convinced that Middleby had done anything really to warrant the criticism but wasting salary cap like this is certainly worthy

For 230k we do need to be getting a bit more value from who ever it may be Goals Goals Goals Piles of assists and dominant performances.

Carney was just the best of a bad bunch and I would only rate his impact at 6/7 out of ten. Need to be getting much better value out of our big money players

pv4

10-02-2015, 11:10 AM

borat

10-02-2015, 11:15 AM

Leading our assists and some games being one of the only players showing any remote promise (remember that point we got in Parramatta - him and Flroes were the only two that even showed up that day!). I fail to see how he wasn't considered value for money as one of our highest earners tbh.. What other club would be earn anywhere near that? Not SFC we know for sure.

It's all subjective yes but to me David Carney earning 230k is symptomatic as to why this club is running 2nd last. Our top earners are so far behind the rest of the league.

idontwannaplaywithhowey

10-02-2015, 11:18 AM

pv4

10-02-2015, 11:21 AM

. What other club would be earn anywhere near that? Not SFC we know for sure.

It's all subjective yes but to me David Carney earning 230k is symptomatic as to why this club is running 2nd last. Our top earners are so far behind the rest of the league.

Sydney FC were rumoured to be offering 300k for him!

Particularly because the salary cap is paid for by the TV deal, clubs don't have as much of a care about the salary cap and exactly who is on what as they used to. In the sense that if a club needs a LM/LB, and has 300k or so free, they'd have no issues paying what is potentially overs to get the man.

It's all about supply and demand. It's hard to just pluck a capable LM out of obscurity, as seen by the failed imports the league has ever year. If a club needs a LM, and has spare salary cap space, they'd have no issues using it up.

Grimario

10-02-2015, 11:21 AM

. What other club would be earn anywhere near that? Not SFC we know for sure.

It's all subjective yes but to me David Carney earning 230k is symptomatic as to why this club is running 2nd last. Our top earners are so far behind the rest of the league.

Nah, that's garbage. We are so far behind the rest of the league because our coaching staff is not up to scratch AND the shit players in our team are far, far, far behind other teams shit players. If anyone can honestly say that Gallagher or Welsh would get a look in at ANY team in the league, you're having a laugh.

But the coaching issue is still our biggest problem.

Biraz
Neville - Jaliens - Madaschi - Carney
Kanta Flores Celeski
Hoole Griff Steele

Throw in Montano, Jeronimo, Pepper, Caravan, Regan... that's what our squad was. There is no way that team finishes dead last with a decent coach at the helm.

MFKS

10-02-2015, 11:26 AM

borat

10-02-2015, 12:00 PM

Nah, that's garbage. We are so far behind the rest of the league because our coaching staff is not up to scratch AND the shit players in our team are far, far, far behind other teams shit players. If anyone can honestly say that Gallagher or Welsh would get a look in at ANY team in the league, you're having a laugh.

But the coaching issue is still our biggest problem.

Biraz
Neville - Jaliens - Madaschi - Carney
Kanta Flores Celeski
Hoole Griff Steele

Throw in Montano, Jeronimo, Pepper, Caravan, Regan... that's what our squad was. There is no way that team finishes dead last with a decent coach at the helm.

You are living in fantasy land if you think any of our top 5 players would be even close to the top 5 of other clubs.

And where did I say anything about the rest of the squad and coach being any good?

The proof is there for to see. SFC nor any other clubs wants Carney for the crazy money that we are paying him.

MFKS

10-02-2015, 12:11 PM

You are living in fantasy land if you think any of our top 5 players would be even close to the top 5 of other clubs.

And where did I say anything about the rest of the squad and coach being any good?

The proof is there for to see. SFC nor any other clubs wants Carney for the crazy money that we are paying him.

Hard to say that as true.

Until his situation at the Jets is sorted he ain't signing for anyone until that is resolved so what interest there is for him is at this point in time hidden and out of view

borat

10-02-2015, 12:23 PM

Hard to say that as true.

Until his situation at the Jets is sorted he ain't signing for anyone until that is resolved so what interest there is for him is at this point in time hidden and out of view
He was shopped around at Xmas and Arnold wouldn't take him on the money he was on.

furns

10-02-2015, 01:44 PM

The way I read it in the media was that Carney decided to stay even though Arnold & SFC definately did want him and for more than what he was on here.

You have to remember also that because we aren't one of the so called big teams, sometimes we have to pay overs to get the quality here. Carney was seen as a player who should provide above average quality in this league so we paid more than what he was probably worth initially to get him in a Jets shirt. Considering he was one of our better attacking players, I would regard that as a decent investment, even if his defensive capabilities and crowd interactions left a lot to be desired.

Grimario

10-02-2015, 04:49 PM

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/jets-join-forces-with-gotstockcomau/3hdhnarm9jjk1indojnuopaa1

New sponsor for next 4 home games...

Wilso8948

10-02-2015, 05:02 PM

Only 4?......

380

10-02-2015, 05:09 PM

Only 4?......

Yep.like our squad everything is short term

lquiquer

10-02-2015, 06:20 PM

Yep.like our squad everything is short term

Hope u right........4 more games for Stubbins?

Grimario

10-02-2015, 06:58 PM

I actually think we might be looking at them as a supplier of our new defenders.

http://www.gotstock.com.au/collapsible-traffic-cone-orange-45cm-prosafe.html

hawk

10-02-2015, 07:58 PM

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/jets-join-forces-with-gotstockcomau/3hdhnarm9jjk1indojnuopaa1

New sponsor for next 4 home games...

Another tinkler deception as he tries to be seen as real deal. Look, I bought in new sponsors, I am great.

380

10-02-2015, 08:06 PM

All jokes aside and i know it is only for 4 weeks but this mob is part of the Wesfarmers group so not a bad bridge to building.

Not a bad network to be opening doors to.

MFKS

10-02-2015, 08:07 PM

Another tinkler deception as he tries to be seen as real deal. Look, I bought in new sponsors, I am great.

To be fair he has so far actually achieved more than Middleby did in years

leftrightout

10-02-2015, 08:59 PM

I actually think we might be looking at them as a supplier of our new defenders.

http://www.gotstock.com.au/collapsible-traffic-cone-orange-45cm-prosafe.html

:lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle::l ulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle::lulzturtle:

Grimario

11-02-2015, 09:52 AM

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/nathan-tinkler-still-has-hurdles-to-clear-if-he-wants-to-keep-jets/story-fn63e0vj-1227215279036

FOOTBALL Federation Australia remains concerned about the financial state of the Newcastle Jets, despite controversial owner Nathan Tinkler paying off almost $500,000 in debts late last week.

With the Jets still having a show-cause notice hanging over their heads, FFA issued a statement yesterday declaring Tinkler’s Hunter Sports Group, which owns the club, needs to do more to convince them of the club’s long-term viability.

Tinkler last Friday revealed he had paid creditors, including Northern NSW Football, the NSW Office of State Revenue and the University of Newcastle, saying he was ready to take the Jets forward.

He also announced he had appointed a new chief executive, former Fairfax Media manager Mitchell Murphy.

While declaring the payments “a step in the right direction”, the head body — which issued Tinkler a show-cause notice a little over a week ago that could lead to FFA revoking his licence to own the Jets — appears wary.

“The payment of some significant debts and the appointment of a CEO were steps in the right direction in relation to the formal notice given to the Hunter Sports Group, but much more needs to be done,” an FFA spokesman said. “The financial state of the Newcastle Jets is not yet in a position to fully satisfy FFA’s concerns about stability and sustainability.

“Nathan Tinkler has acknowledged the situation and given FFA assurances. He has been given a short period of time to address the financial and operational issues, which are important steps towards rebuilding trust with the football community of the region. To that end, coming to an amicable and mutually acceptable arrangement with those players who have served the club, but are no longer part of the plans, is something that should be given priority.”

FFA remains worried over issues surrounding the plight of a number of players dumped by the club in recent weeks.

The Jets are in dispute over termination agreements with Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi, who were cut loose after a failed player revolt against coach Phil Stubbins.

Former Socceroo David Carney had his reported $230,000-a-season contract torn up over a number of alleged breaches, though that matter is in dispute with Professional Footballers Australia handling the matter on his behalf .

The players have continued to turn up to training, though they have been segregated from the rest of the squad.

However, Tinkler remains bullish about the situation.

“As far as the club is concerned, none of those players will be coming back,” Tinkler told theworldgame website yesterday.

“They have refused to sign their mutual terminations and that just illustrates my point at what a disturbance they have been to the club.

“They don’t want to leave, they just want as much media attention as they can get.

“I have simply told Phil to make a little naughty corner at training and give them a sandpit and a little ladder, or something, to play with. They can come to training and play over there.”

Aside from the $500,000, Tinkler has indicated a further $400,000 relating to unpaid superannuation for players and staff would be met this week.

“The payments are one thing and the CEO appointment is another,” Tinkler added. “He (Murphy) is an experienced administrator with good business acumen.

“I think the FFA can take a lot of comfort from that and we can get on with pushing the club forward again.”

Is it just me or is this an article that gives absolutely no details whatsoever apart from rehashing everything from the last week?

Jetmaster

11-02-2015, 10:53 AM

Is it just me or is this an article that gives absolutely no details whatsoever apart from rehashing everything from the last week?

Agree - it's just how the papers fill copy. Nearly ever Herald article still states "five senior players and three coaching staff were sacked"" etc etc

Bon

11-02-2015, 10:57 AM

Jetmaster

11-02-2015, 11:02 AM

ABC radio this morning, they were talking about how apparently Cabbage Carney's dismissal is definitely a mess, as Tinks got rid of him on a "3 strikes and you are out" policy but it turns out it is actually FOUR..
Also, that the alleged third strike was a phone call between Small-Hands and Tinks, which cant be considered a third strike as it was a private phone call..
Interesting stuff.. Although (obviously), of the six blokes gone, he is the only one I wouldn't want back..

This was mentioned on Santo, Sam and Ed of all places last night...FFA far from finished dealing with Tinks.

militiamon

11-02-2015, 12:44 PM

ABC radio this morning, they were talking about how apparently Cabbage Carney's dismissal is definitely a mess, as Tinks got rid of him on a "3 strikes and you are out" policy but it turns out it is actually FOUR..
Also, that the alleged third strike was a phone call between Small-Hands and Tinks, which cant be considered a third strike as it was a private phone call..
Interesting stuff.. Although (obviously), of the six blokes gone, he is the only one I wouldn't want back..

I read this back when I was sifting through the CBA a few weeks back. Very clearly stated that it's 4 breaches, and not 3.
I wonder who it was who advised Tinks that he could be sacked after 3? Seems like a royal cock up on their part.

pv4

11-02-2015, 12:52 PM

I read this back when I was sifting through the CBA a few weeks back. Very clearly stated that it's 4 breaches, and not 3.
I wonder who it was who advised Tinks that he could be sacked after 3? Seems like a royal cock up on their part.

It seems odd to me that it's not a three-strikes policy, but regardless of what I think it about it doesn't change that it exists. And the fact that a strike can be included that is a private conversation between owner and player, I'm not so sure about tbh - must have been some heavy things said there.

Jeterpool

11-02-2015, 01:04 PM

It seems odd to me that it's not a three-strikes policy, but regardless of what I think it about it doesn't change that it exists. And the fact that a strike can be included that is a private conversation between owner and player, I'm not so sure about tbh - must have been some heavy things said there.

Talking to Tinks, most things are heavy

MFKS

12-02-2015, 06:44 AM

FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief David Gallop has warned that Jets owner Nathan Tinkler has ‘‘a matter of days’’ to clear the club’s debts.

Tinkler last week paid an estimated $500,000 towards appeasing some of the A-League franchise’s creditors, but the FFA is still demanding that shortfalls in employees’ superannuation, and payouts to five players and three coaching staff sacked a fortnight ago, are setttled.

‘‘There is certainly more that has to happen to get things on a stable footing,’’ Gallop said on Wednesday. ‘‘They have taken some big steps. But there are remaining liabilities, there’s some operational, structural, things that need to happen.

‘‘We are still on a deadline and we think it’s important that the pressure stays on to get these things put in place quickly.’’

Gallop declined to confirm speculation that FFA had set a Monday deadline.

‘‘Nathan has made it clear that he will clear those liabilities but we want to see it done quickly ... it’s a matter of days,’’ he said.

Tinkler was given a ‘‘show-cause’’ notice by FFA 10 days ago, warning that he was in danger of relinquishing the club’s licence if he did not not meet his obligations.

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No time frame was specified but Tinkler has maintained in interviews that ‘‘it would take until mid-February to get those things done’’.

The struggling magnate reiterated that in a statement last Friday when he said ‘‘the last outstanding thing is superannuation, and we will get that met next week’’.

Tinkler, who is understood to have been travelling between Singapore and New York this week, has indicated he would launch legal action if FFA tried to evict him as Jets owner.

But the governing body has taken similar measures in the past to remove Tinkler’s predecessor, Con Constantine, and former Gold Coast United owner Clive Palmer.

The NRL successfully ousted Tinkler as owner of the Newcastle Knights last June, after a three-month power struggle.

Of the five Jets players Tinkler sacked – Kew Jaliens, Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski, Adrian Madaschi and David Carney – Professional Footballers Australia said on Wednesday that all were still refusing to sign their deeds of termination.

All five are expected to attend training on Thursday.

Sacked goalkeeping coach Neil Young confirmed on Wednesday afternoon that he had received his severance pay and superannuation, but ex-assistant coach Clayton Zane and discarded head trainer Andrew Packer are still waiting for their financial settlements.

Meanwhile, FFA announced on Wednesday that Gallop had accepted a two-year contract extension.

Gallop, who was signed to a four-year deal in November 2012, will remain in charge until after the 2018 World Cup in Russia.

Gallop’s reign has coincided with a golden period for football in Australia, during which the Socceroos qualified for the 2014 World Cup and then won the Asian Cup in Sydney last month.

There has also been the emergence of the Western Sydney Wanderers, who clinched the Asian Champions League late last year, and the introduction of the FFA Cup competition.

‘‘David’s tenure has coincided with a period of stability, growth and innovation in Australian football, driven by initiatives that the CEO and his team have managed with great skill and care,’’ FFA chairman Frank Lowy said.

Gallop said he had no hesitation in extending his stay and was determined to grow the game further and make football the most popular sport in the country.

‘‘It’s been a privilege to be CEO at a time of such spectacular growth for the game and the incredible achievement of winning the Asian Cup.’’

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Grimario

12-02-2015, 12:51 PM

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Grimario

12-02-2015, 03:05 PM

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/stubbins-were-not-going-to-give-up/1g84yltcio51s1wt2o58hhz0jv

Stubbins: We’re not going to give up

Newcastle mentor Phil Stubbins says his charges must take to the field with the same energy, enthusiasm and attitude that they showed against Brisbane Roar last round when the Jets meet Western Sydney Wanderers at Hunter Stadium on Saturday.
Stubbins’ side suffered a last gasp 2-1 defeat to Frans Thijssen’s Queensland outfit last Friday, though displayed plenty of improvement and positivity against the reigning Hyundai A-League Champions.

With Tony Popovic’s 2014 AFC Champions League winners arriving at Hunter Stadium having recently secured their first win of the domestic season against Wellington Phoenix, Stubbins said his men need to produce another impassioned performance for themselves, the club, and the fans.

“We showed a renewed vigour in last week’s game and we need to carry that on now,” Stubbins told reporters following team training at Ray Watt Oval on Thursday.

“We’ve got a lot of young boys out there that are representing the club now [and] to a man I thought they were very, very good last week.

“We need to build on that and try and work things in a way that is to our advantage against Wanderers.

“They’ll [Wanderers] be buoyed by their win, that’s for sure, and they’ll bring some good support here so let’s hope it’s a really good game on Saturday night,” he said.

The Jets conceded both goals against Brisbane last round from set-piece situations – goals which ultimately cruelled the team’s chances of claiming a point, perhaps more, from the encounter.

Stubbins acknowledged his side simply cannot afford to ship goals cheaply if they’re to rise up the ladder during the back half of the campaign.

“We conceded goals from set-pieces [against Roar] which wasn’t good,” he said. “But I think in general play we restricted the Roar to very few opportunities, and I think during the game we had opportunities to win the game.”

“We’re not going to give up, we’re going to keep fighting, and we’re going to keep doing what we can to get results,” he said.

Defender Daniel Mullen made his Newcastle debut in the Brisbane battle, and put in a solid shift in his first outing as a Jet.

This weekend Mullen will face his most recent former club, but Stubbins said the calm and collected 25-year-old isn’t likely to be fazed by facing ex-teammates.

“I don’t think Daniel has much to prove,” Stubbins said. “I think we all saw his capabilities last week.”

“He [Mullen] came in and had a very sound impact for the team.

“He’s somebody that is very positive naturally.

“Daniel did a wonderful job for us last week and we’re hoping that he can continue on in that vein.”
Stubbins will wait until Friday to decide which player will wear the captain’s armband against Wanderers.

Taylor Regan performed with aplomb as skipper last round, though Stubbins has indicated that the captaincy can rotate among his freshly founded leadership group.

That means Regan may retain the armband, or Mullen, Ben Kennedy or Jacob Pepper could lead the team onto the Hunter Stadium surface.

BodyNovo

12-02-2015, 03:20 PM

all the media outlets all talk about the altercation

club acts blindly and just talks about other nonsense

if mullen is captain it will be a ****ing disgrace

Jeterpool

12-02-2015, 04:22 PM

It should be tra is cooper. Under 6 protocol means you go in numerical order.

3 wore it last week.
4 not playing
5 didn't want it
6 doesn't play
7 has gone
8 doesn't want it
9 can't get shown any respect

So all hail out new captain Travis Cooper!!!

sammydog

12-02-2015, 04:37 PM

Perth issued a show cause notice by FFA over failure to disclose reportable payments.

FFS, the FFA are after the wrong club.

R Ramjet

12-02-2015, 04:37 PM

Im sick of hearing from stubbins blah blah blah

MFKS

12-02-2015, 10:17 PM

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/newcastle-jets-could-be-sued-over-bullying-and-harassment-of-players-20150212-13dfhh.html

Take them on Griff

The behaviour of Tinker and Stubbins is a disgrace and not tolerated in any other workplace in Australia

hawk

12-02-2015, 11:33 PM

Stubbins giving favours to his new yes boy Mullen.

MFKS

13-02-2015, 07:14 AM

Stubbins giving favours to his new yes boy Mullen.

I don't think Stubbins will be here long enough for Mullen to have to suck too much cock

I wonder if the PFA and FFA are complicit in allowing Jets as much rope as they want to hang themselves with the disgraceful player treatment over the last 2 weeks as it is just another nail in the coffin for FFA to take the Licence back??:confused:

Usually the PFA are all over shit like what is happening to Griff and co but they are for some reason being absurdly quiet on the matter and are barely putting up a fight rather than some occasional token PR to warn they might do something.

Jeterpool

13-02-2015, 07:43 AM

I mentioned on here a while ago that the club need to be careful how they are treating the players after some posters queried about what laws apply.

You'll notice the PFA are now warning the club about bullying and harassment of the players.

Jetmaster

13-02-2015, 07:59 AM

Definition of workplace bullying (from Fair Work Commission)...

Bullying behaviour may involve, for example, any of the following types of behaviour:

* aggressive or intimidating conduct
* belittling or humiliating comments
* spreading malicious rumours
* teasing, practical jokes or 'initiation ceremonies'
* exclusion from work-related events
* unreasonable work expectations, including too much or too little work, or work below or beyond a worker's skill level
* displaying offensive material
* pressure to behave in an inappropriate manner.

And since the laws have changed you can go straight to the FWC with an application.

idontwannaplaywithhowey

13-02-2015, 08:04 AM

Im sick of hearing from stubbins blah blah blah

Same shit every week...My blood boils every time I hear him speak.

MFKS

13-02-2015, 08:06 AM

Definition of workplace bullying (from Fair Work Commission)...

Bullying behaviour may involve, for example, any of the following types of behaviour:

* aggressive or intimidating conduct
* belittling or humiliating comments
* spreading malicious rumours
* teasing, practical jokes or 'initiation ceremonies'
* exclusion from work-related events
* unreasonable work expectations, including too much or too little work or work below , or beyond a worker's skill level
* displaying offensive material
* pressure to behave in an inappropriate manner.

And since the laws have changed you can go straight to the FWC with an application.

Looks like these boys will have a case easy

la bazzle

13-02-2015, 09:52 AM

Same shit every week...My blood boils every time I hear him speak.

PR guy must be a gypo, thinks he's playing politics repeating the same shit lines #pv4smateout

militiamon

13-02-2015, 07:28 PM

PR guy must be a gypo, thinks he's playing politics repeating the same shit lines #pv4smateout

Well said.

MFKS

14-02-2015, 07:21 AM

JETS owner Nathan Tinkler appears unlikely to fulfil his own commitment to pay by this week an estimated $400,000 in superannuation owed to his players and staff.

Having produced $500,000 to appease a selection of creditors eight days ago, Tinkler said: ‘‘The last outstanding thing is superannuation, and we will get that met next week.’’

After contacting the club on Friday to confirm if the superannuation debt had been settled, the Herald was told the ‘‘paperwork was being processed’’ and it was expected to be paid by ‘‘early next week’’.

FFA officials have also been advised the superannuation will be paid by Monday. Even if this is the case, it appears Tinkler will still not be in the clear after receiving a ‘‘show cause’’ notice 12 days ago to prove the Jets are a ‘‘stable and sustainable’’ operation under his ownership.

As one informed source told the Herald: ‘‘Even if he pays the superannuation, he won’t have cleared the debt, not by a long shot.’’

Despite Tinkler stating eight days ago that ‘‘a million dollars injected into the club will fix all those issues’’, it is understood the governing body also expects him to urgently settle liabilities with the Australian Tax Office in the vicinity of $2 million.

FFA chief executive David Gallop declined to confirm any time frame at a press conference this week but admitted: ‘‘We are still on a deadline and we think it’s important that the pressure stays on to get these things put in place quickly.

‘‘Nathan has made it clear that he will clear those liabilities but we want to see it done quickly ... it’s a matter of days.’’

Gallop declined to confirm if the deadline was Monday.

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Meanwhile, midfielder David Carney, one of five players exiled by the Jets, is awaiting a date for his dispute with the club to be heard by an independent arbitrator.

Professional Footballers Australia players union filed a grievance against the Jets on Carney’s behalf with the National Dispute Resolution Chamber on Monday.

A directions hearing was held by teleconference late Friday, which was to set a timeframe for submissions from both parties and set a hearing date.

After initially offering to pay out the final 18 months of Carney’s contract, the Jets moved to sack him with no payout over three alleged breaches.

Under the collective-bargaining agreement, player contracts can be terminated after four breaches.

Carney has accepted two of the breaches but has rejected the third, which is understood to involve a private conversation he had with Tinkler.

Western Sydney are understood to be interested in signing the former Socceroo for the start of their Asian Champions League defence.

Gone Monday Morning

MFKS

14-02-2015, 07:24 AM

WHEN Sporting Declaration was talking with Professional Footballers Association chief executive Adam Vivian during the week, I posed a question that was largely hypothetical.

‘‘At what point would they consider going on strike?’’ I asked, referring, of course, to long-suffering players at the Newcastle Jets.

Vivian’s response was fairly predictable, given that since the A-League kicked off 10 seasons ago, there have been a variety of cases of players being treated unacceptably, not just at the Jets but across the competition.

Not once have players responded by withdrawing their labour en masse.

‘‘The players know there are ramifications for that kind of action,’’ Vivian said.

‘‘It’s not something we’re going to investigate in the first instance.

‘‘What we would probably consider in the immediate future would be to look to Football Federation Australia to intervene in these circumstances, as custodians of the game and in the best interest of good governance of the game, to ensure that the interests and provisions of the players are protected.

‘‘Rather than going down the path of industrial action, we’d certainly go down the path of seeking the assistance of FFA and asking them to intervene.’’

Strikes by Australian professional sporting outfits, of course, are virtually unheard of.

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Super League-aligned teams boycotted the first round of the 1996 Australian Rugby League season before being ordered to return to the field by the Federal Court.

Australia’s Test cricketers used the ‘‘s’’ word regularly in the late 1990s, leveraging the powers-that-be to improve the pay of Sheffield Shield players under the terms of their collective-bargaining agreement.

More recently Essendon players have indicated they will refuse to play in this year’s pre-season NAB Challenge games unless the AFL guarantees to backdate any anti-doping suspensions to September.

Other than those instances, I can’t recall strike action being taken by a collective group of athletes Down Under.

In the US, however, there have been strikes involving Major League baseballers and several NBA basketball ‘‘lockouts’’, most of which have centred around multimillionaire players seeking even higher wages.

In Australia, unions such as the PFA prefer to avoid confrontation, perhaps because they have alternative dispute-resolution options that are effective.

If PFA can prove a club has not upheld its obligations to an employee or employees, it can call on the resources of FFA and even FIFA to impose appropriate sanctions.

Jets owner Nathan Tinkler may think he can treat unwanted players and staff with contempt, but history suggests he will not beat the system.

Certainly Newcastle’s players appear entitled to be disgruntled with their working conditions.

They are collectively owed hundreds of thousands of dollars in overdue superannuation.

Five of their teammates and three of the coaching staff were sacked without notice.

The five disenfranchised players have been unable to move on with their lives, after PFA advice not to sign termination papers that apparently do not guarantee all their entitlements. So they continue to train with the club even though they are considered no chance of playing.

The remaining players, who would not be human if they were not at least slightly demoralised, face the unenviable task of playing another 11 games this season with a depleted, inexperienced roster.

It would seem some of them have little faith in their boss, rookie coach Phil Stubbins.

If this was any other unionised industry, the prospect of stop-work meetings, and ultimately downing tools, would presumably have been raised long ago.

In almost 30 years as a journalist, yours truly has been on strike more times than I can remember.

Recently such action has seemed fairly futile, in terms of what it achieved, but nonetheless inherently satisfying.

It would be unprecedented and inconceivable, especially given Newcastle’s players are following the PFA’s advice.

But imagine if the Jets walked out for Saturday night’s clash with Western Sydney, shook hands with the opposition, then sat down on the sidelines, refusing to play.

Even if it was only a five-minute protest, it would send a united, defiant message that would be noted around the world and remembered for years.

A whole new ball game, so to speak.

Robert Dillon not quite going far enough this time.

Why the PFA have been so piss weak defending their players who have had their rights violated and walked over needs addressing

Pico

14-02-2015, 08:51 AM

MFKS

14-02-2015, 09:05 AM

I swear the PFA could save 1000 kittens from a burning building and you'd still have something negative to say.

The current PFA actions are consistent with what happened at WSW with the players they wanted moved on in January and lasted a month before all bar one departed, same with victory when ange was down there.

Consistently piss weak

They have 4 players who have been wrongfully terminated. The employer has failed to follow due process and pay them out. The employer has then ostracised harassed and bullied the players. The employer has caused the players to be publically humiliated

You treat anyone else that way in this town where a union represents its employees and I guarantee the response from the Union/Employees towards the Employer is a bit more proactive at righting the wrongs.

Don't forget these are the same parasites who rip millions of $$ out of the game in this country to sustain player wages at an unjustifiable level and then scream to high heaven of being violated when they get offered a bonus on top of what they already get to play in another tourney. Money that could be better spent on junior development making clubs profitable etc

Now explain to me why you have time for them??

lquiquer

16-02-2015, 07:03 PM

MFKS

16-02-2015, 07:18 PM

‏@JamesGardiner42 · 30m30 minutes ago
BREAKING: Kew Jaliens set to join @MelbourneCity as injury replacement after accepting mutual termination @NewcastleJetsFC @newcastleherald

Kew and Connor.......!!!!!

More importantly when is Griff coming back to play for us???

Thomas477

16-02-2015, 07:23 PM

‏@JamesGardiner42 · 30m30 minutes ago
BREAKING: Kew Jaliens set to join @MelbourneCity as injury replacement after accepting mutual termination @NewcastleJetsFC @newcastleherald

Kew and Connor.......!!!!!

Well I guess that explains why he left us, city offered him a deal and he took it, probably happy to take less dough from us as well.

hawk

16-02-2015, 07:35 PM

‏@JamesGardiner42 · 30m30 minutes ago
BREAKING: Kew Jaliens set to join @MelbourneCity as injury replacement after accepting mutual termination @NewcastleJetsFC @newcastleherald

Kew and Connor.......!!!!!

Well done Kew.

Very happy he is picking up some game time after the farce he had to face here.

Jetmaster

16-02-2015, 07:43 PM

NBN reports Tinks paying more debts, Kew gives up, CEO in place and new signing Boogs.

Is the big man slowly turning the tide?

GazFish35

16-02-2015, 07:53 PM

NBN reports Tinks paying more debts, Kew gives up, CEO in place and new signing Boogs.

Is the big man slowly turning the tide?

A quick as the pasha bulker

MFKS

16-02-2015, 08:05 PM

NBN reports Tinks paying more debts, Kew gives up, CEO in place and new signing Boogs.

Is the big man slowly turning the tide?

Popularity??? No

Sad thing is we may be stuck with him for a while yet. Some of the shit he is doing actually says he is serious about turning the club around like he claims.
Problem is the methods he is using are winning him no fans at all

Until he sacks Stubbins brings Griff back have no time for him at all regardless if he brings in some big name gun players and we are topping the League.

hawk

16-02-2015, 08:06 PM

NBN reports Tinks paying more debts, Kew gives up, CEO in place and new signing Boogs.

Is the big man slowly turning the tide?

the tide is forever gone under this pair

sammydog

16-02-2015, 08:07 PM

Popularity??? No

Sad thing is we may be stuck with him for a while yet. Some of the shit he is doing actually says he is serious about turning the club around like he claims.
Problem is the methods he is using are winning him no fans at all

Until he sacks Stubbins brings Griff back have no time for him at all regardless if he brings in some big name gun players and we are topping the League.

Exactly right, no matter what he does to turn the place around from here, no can will ever forget what a complete and utter c@nt he was doing it. People don't forget that.

He could have achieved the same without the carnage he caused.

Jeterpool

16-02-2015, 08:18 PM

Exactly right, no matter what he does to turn the place around from here, no can will ever forget what a complete and utter c@nt he was doing it. People don't forget that.

He could have achieved the same without the carnage he caused.

Exactly. The season is already gone and he could have waited until then adn got rid of both coach and many of the players who would have simply "not been re-signed"

Grimario

16-02-2015, 09:40 PM

http://www.telstra.com.au/latest_offers/loyalty/sport-hyundai-a-league.html

Guys... win tickets to see us play!

hawk

17-02-2015, 09:13 PM

http://www.telstra.com.au/latest_offers/loyalty/sport-hyundai-a-league.html

Guys... win tickets to see us play!

win?

bit like the pokies bet $1 get 20c back = win.

Pico

18-02-2015, 06:44 AM

FORMER Socceroo David Carney will take his case against the Newcastle Jets to a hearing on Friday that will determine whether club owner Nathan Tinkler has to pay him more than $300,000 to leave the club.

Though Carney was contacted by the Wanderers about a short-term deal to play in the Asian Champions League, he remains focused only on proving that Tinkler acted illegally in sacking him publicly on the basis of a private phone call between the two.

With Carney’s position at the Jets apparently untenable after falling out with coach Phil Stubbins, the Jets will have to pay him out in full for the season and a half left on his contract if he wins the case.

Carney is expected to argue that his dismissal was illegal as the Jets cited three breaches of the code of conduct — when four are required under it for a player to be sacked.

He will also claim that a private phone call — in which Tinkler alleges Carney brought the club into disrepute by badmouthing the coach — can’t be a disciplinary matter as it wasn’t in the public domain.

An FFA-appointed arbiter will hear Friday’s case, with the verdict binding on both parties.

If Carney wins his case he will be allowed to sign for another A-League team as an injury replacement player, guest or marquee player.

Can't wait to see another $300k lumped on top of Tinks debt, and our salary cap next year too.

Pico

18-02-2015, 06:47 AM

New Jets leader Mitchell Murphy cuts Stubbins some slack
By JAMES GARDINER
Feb. 17, 2015, 10:30 p.m

PHIL Stubbins will be given the resources and the time to turn the Jets around.

How he performs will determine his future at the club.

Stubbins has overseen one win from 17 games in his first season as an A-League head coach. The Jets sit second last, a point above Western Sydney, who have two games in hand, and are in danger of collecting a second wooden spoon.

Determined to stop the rot, new chief executive Mitchell Murphy listed improving the squad as one of three priorities at his opening press conference on Tuesday.

‘‘Categorically, we need to start focusing on rebuilding our squad for 2015-16 and make sure that week in week out we are super competitive,’’ Murphy said.

‘‘Part of that process is that we undergo thorough due diligence to make sure across the park we have the right player with the right skills and, more importantly, the right attitude.’’

There have been calls, initially from the fans and then the players, for Stubbins to be removed. The flashpoint was a club-worst 7-0 humiliation to Adelaide United last month.

Owner Nathan Tinkler stood firm behind the coach, sacked support staff Clayton Zane, Neil Young and Andrew Packer and moved to terminate the five most senior players, two of whom Stubbins signed.

Since the exits and subsequent appointment of Jim Pascoe, Mark Jones and Jesse Vanstrattan to the staff, the Jets were unlucky to lose 2-1 to Brisbane and drew 1-1 with Western Sydney Wanderers.

Asked if Stubbins was under pressure to retain his position, Murphy said: ‘‘The owner has made it very clear that the coach is going nowhere.

‘‘Phil has a contract for next season and he will be given an opportunity to mould his squad for 2015-16, and then, like any coach in any competition, he will then be judged on results.’’

After signing Daniel Mullen, Lee Ki-je and Travis Cooper (injury replacement) to short-term contracts to fill the gaps, the Jets took their first step towards the future on Monday with the addition of Nigel Boogaard on a three-year deal.

Youth team striker Radovan Pavicevic signed a two-year contract on Tuesday and the club has started talks with Mullen and Lee about extending their stays.

‘‘We need a holistic approach to retention and recruitment,’’ Murphy said.

‘‘The announcement of Nigel Boogaard is a great start.

‘‘We are committed to having local talent in our squad, but it needs more than that.

‘‘Categorically, we would be targeting a marquee. There is no doubt about that.’’

Captain Kew Jaliens agreed to a mutual termination on Monday and Murphy hoped to finalise quickly the exit of Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski, Adrian Madaschi and David Carney.

‘‘I gave a commitment when I walked in the door that I am going to work overtime to try and resolve those matters with those players swiftly,’’ he said.

‘‘Action speaks louder than words. Yesterday we sorted Kew’s situation.

‘‘There is a lot of work to be done ... but it is my desire that we resolve all those issues quickly and amicably. Respectfully, the current situation does not serve the best interests of the club or the players.’’

Jets players and staff are owed superannuation and other entitlements and Tinkler has been put on notice by Football Federation Australia.

‘‘Any potential player, it is human nature and logic that they would want to come to a club that can be perceived as stable,’’ he said. ‘‘That is what we are working towards.

‘‘I can’t do much more than say we have a plan, we have a vision and we are putting processes in place.

‘‘Nigel Boogaard ... obviously believes we are moving forward or he wouldn’t have signed. That is a real springboard to send a message that we are now moving forwards, not backwards.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2889579/new-jets-leader-cuts-stubbins-some-slack/?cs=306

Jeez the new blokes already got the tinks approved speech book. When did we hire Gillard as our spin doctor.

Pico

18-02-2015, 06:52 AM

Murphy looking for club co-owner to start sharing the load
By ROBERT DILLON
Feb. 17, 2015, 10:30 p.m

SIX months ago he declared he ‘‘can’t wait’’ to sell the Newcastle Jets, then insisted he was keeping them.

Now Nathan Tinkler appears to be searching for a partner to help pay the bills.

New Jets chief executive Mitchell Murphy said on Tuesday that Tinkler was ‘‘fully committed’’ to the club but had already kicked off the search for a co-owner.

‘‘Publicly I’m not saying anything that is behind closed doors,’’ Murphy said.

‘‘Nathan has publicly said that he has an open mind to entertain a joint venture with a partner or owner.

‘‘I have a mandate with him that we explore those avenues, and we have already started that process. That takes time.

‘‘Again it is complex negotiations. I can tell you transparently that we have begun that process. There are talks – they are preliminary – but there are talks about getting a supporting investor into the club with Nathan.’’

Asked if the preferred alternative was an overseas club or a private investor, Murphy replied: ‘‘It could be either.
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‘‘There are a variety of options. You could form a partnership with an EPL, you could get a private investor, a consortium ... again it could be domestically or abroad.

‘‘Logic says to me that it is probably going to come from abroad.’’

Murphy said most owners of A-League franchises were ‘‘constantly putting their hand in the pocket’’ but was confident the Jets could ultimately become a self-funding operation.

‘‘Melbourne Victory are constantly in profit. We need to understand they have a base of more than 20,000 members.

‘‘My message to the people of the Hunter is simple: the more members we get the easier it will be to make the numbers stack up because it gives us that financial base to work from.

‘‘Is there a business model that can work? If I didn’t think that, I wouldn’t be here.’’

As a business, the Jets needed to ‘‘cut the cloth it can afford’’ and provide their corporate partners with value for money.

‘‘Do I believe we can get this club into the black in the next few years? Yes, I do,’’ he said.

He estimated it would cost Tinkler at least $1million to settle the club’s liabilities.

‘‘My initial reaction is $1million minimum,’’ he said. ‘‘We will probably need more than that, but I need to do due diligence to get an exact figure.’’

His goal was to help transform Newcastle into a club capable of attracting quality players.

‘‘Any potential player, it is human nature and logic that they would want to come to a club that can be perceived as stable,’’ he said. ‘‘That is what we are working towards.

‘‘I can’t do much more than say we have a plan, we have a vision and we are putting processes in place.

‘‘When you look at the calibre of human being that Nigel Boogaard is, he obviously believes we are moving forward or he wouldn’t have signed. That is a real springboard to send a message that we are now moving forwards, not backwards.

‘‘My intention here is not to keep dwelling on what has happened. We have to say this is where we are heading and we have to get on with that job.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2890424/murphy-looking-for-club-co-owner-to-start-sharing-the-load/?cs=306

I'll be extremely shocked if anyone signs up to be Tinks business partner with his history, the current mood of the membership base, the debts that have been racked up by the club & the FFA's potential license removal still hanging over the head of the club.

Pico

18-02-2015, 06:56 AM

Players go unpaid as ATO seizes Tinkler revenue stream
By ROBERT DILLON
Feb. 17, 2015, 10:30 p.m

THE pressure on Nathan Tinkler intensified on Tuesday when it emerged the Australian Tax Office had stepped in to seize the Football Federation Australia funding used to pay Newcastle Jets players.

All A-League clubs receive a $2.55 million grant each year from FFA, in 12 instalments, to cover player wages.

Newcastle’s employees are supposed to be paid every month on the 15th.

This month the 15th fell on a Sunday, but rather than pay on Friday, Jets officials said the cash would be deposited on Monday.

But by Tuesday night the salaries still had not arrived.

FFA officials said on Tuesday night that they had received assurances from Jets officials that players and staff would receive their money within 24 hours.

Speaking to the media for the first time since joining the Jets, new chief executive Mitchell Murphy sought to explain the delay.

‘‘There is an issue with the ATO, not just the Jets, but with Nathan’s companies,’’ Murphy said.

‘‘Our legal team are talking daily with the ATO.
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‘‘While I can’t put a definitive date on it, what I can say is that those talks are progressing, and progressing well.

‘‘We would hope to have that garnishee order removed in the very near future.’’

The ATO intervention has put further financial strain on Tinkler, who was warned by FFA chief executive David Gallop last week that he had ‘‘a matter of days’’ to settle a host of long-overdue liabilities, in particular an estimated $400,000 in unpaid employee superannuation.

Asked on Tuesday morning if he could guarantee Newcastle’s players would be paid by close of business, Murphy replied: ‘‘To the best of my knowledge the answer is yes. I will know more during the course of the day.’’

But a Professional Footballers Australia spokesman said on Tuesday night that players had not received their salaries.

‘‘The PFA has been in constant contact with its members and can confirm to date they have still not been paid,’’ he said.

‘‘PFA made numerous attempts to contact the club regarding the situation, however, they have been non-responsive.

‘‘Unless the situation is remedied immediately, PFA will consider its legal options.’’

In a statement, a spokesman for governing body FFA declined to comment about the garnishee order but reiterated its desire for Tinkler to honour his obligations.

“It’s a matter for the Newcastle Jets to comment on their particular position in relation to the ATO, but FFA is satisfied with its level of knowledge of the club’s situation,’’ he said.

“That remains at a critical point where undertakings in relation to clearing liabilities need to be fulfilled in the coming days.”

It is not the first time the ATO has moved to garnish the income streams on which Tinkler relies to fund his sporting teams.

It is understood that during his final months as owner of the Newcastle Knights, the ATO tried to seize the club’s $650,000 monthly grant from the NRL.

But by then NRL officials were already withholding the funding because they believed Tinkler’s Hunter Sports Group was in breach of the terms and conditions of the franchise licence.

Murphy said he had been ‘‘in constant dialogue’’ with FFA about resolving the myriad issues relating to the Jets’ debts.

‘‘In my discussions with FFA, I can categorically say they want to work with us to make sure this club survives and is strong,’’ he said.

‘‘I don’t have a definitive date on every specific liability, but I do know that the clock is ticking.

‘‘They want to see some action and I have to demonstrate this week that we are taking steps to resolve those matters.’’

As well as paying the players on Newcastle’s roster, Tinkler is still to finalise severance deals with four of the five players he sacked and two of the three members of the coaching staff he discarded.

In the case of former Socceroo David Carney and former assistant coach Clayton Zane, they both have more than 12 months remaining on the contracts Tinkler is intent on terminating.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2889987/players-go-unpaid-as-ato-seizes-tinkler-revenue-stream/?cs=306

Just when I feared the FFA might be running out of ammo, Tinks normal service resumes, clearly explains the sudden wish of a co-owner / consortium.

Uncle Norman must have turned off the tap.

Hopefully the show cause period will expire soon and the FFA can begin the next process of freeing us from this cancer.

pv4

18-02-2015, 07:13 AM

Just when I feared the FFA might be running out of ammo, Tinks normal service resumes, clearly explains the sudden wish of a co-owner / consortium.

Uncle Norman must have turned off the tap.

Hopefully the show cause period will expire soon and the FFA can begin the next process of freeing us from this cancer.

If this isn't cause enough for the FFA to revoke the licence, I don't know what is! They're giving him money specifically to pay players, that he is not even paying the players with!!

GazFish35

18-02-2015, 07:37 AM

‘‘I don’t have a definitive date on every specific liability, but I do know that the clock is ticking.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qty_6JqsWNA

So the only question now who is dj jazzy jeff?

leftrightout

18-02-2015, 08:05 AM

Can't wait to see another $300k lumped on top of Tinks debt, and our salary cap next year too.

If this happens and we have to pay him out, then tinkler gets the boot from FFA, will they include that next years cap?

sammydog

18-02-2015, 08:08 AM

I'd imagine if Tinkler is not the owner next season, they won't hold a new owner accountable for Tinklers errors.

WolfMan

18-02-2015, 08:38 AM

belchardo

18-02-2015, 11:04 AM

So the new CEO wants us to vote with our feet? I believe that's what happened last Saturday with our lowest crowd in a long time champ.

Heard him say something about taking pot shots from the sideline won't help anybody. Well, I've paid my money and I reserve the right to take shots at whoever is deemed culpable.

It's this arrogane and sense of divine right to more members that really gets under my skin with this management. You have to earn trust in every walk of life, and Tinkler has shattered any illusion we may have had.

In conclusion, GTFO

agree, although not quite at GTFO stage just yet :)

‘‘My message to the people of the Hunter is simple: the more members we get the easier it will be to make the numbers stack up because it gives us that financial base to work from.

‘‘Is there a business model that can work? If I didn’t think that, I wouldn’t be here.’’

brilliant! I think we all agree that more members means more money. how about acknowledging the complete shit we pay to watch both on and off the field? god, this guy should be out there grovelling at the feet of members thanking them for still being here. you want 20,000 members? how about starting with ensuring that the majority of current members come back next year by getting this shit sorted!

WolfMan

18-02-2015, 11:44 AM

To clarify, my GTFO was directed towards Tinkler, not Murphy… yet…

lquiquer

18-02-2015, 12:22 PM

Newcastle Jets ‏@NewcastleJetsFC · 38m38 minutes ago
Carney is a mad dog

???? :wtf:

Grimario

18-02-2015, 12:41 PM

Newcastle Jets ‏@NewcastleJetsFC · 38m38 minutes ago
Carney is a mad dog

???? :wtf:

Newcastle Jets
‏@NewcastleJetsFC
The account was hacked. We have moved to revoke app access, a common problem. Hopefully this issue is sorted. - Ben

Jetmaster

18-02-2015, 01:01 PM

militiamon

18-02-2015, 01:05 PM

Newcastle Jets
‏@NewcastleJetsFC
The account was hacked. We have moved to revoke app access, a common problem. Hopefully this issue is sorted. - Ben

Quality work once again from this new media guy.

MFKS

18-02-2015, 01:06 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Alivodi%C4%87

Could be hacked could be legit???

pv4

18-02-2015, 01:09 PM

Quality work once again from this new media guy.

...

irrational hatred for anything and everything Newcastle

Jetmaster

18-02-2015, 01:09 PM

Was just looking at that myself now....can't understand a reason to put it up for the hell of it.

plague

18-02-2015, 01:48 PM

Newcastle Jets
‏@NewcastleJetsFC
The account was hacked. We have moved to revoke app access, a common problem. Hopefully this issue is sorted. - Ben

Password is a bad password.

Frodo

18-02-2015, 02:11 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Alivodi%C4%87

Could be hacked could be legit???

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/sport.294.html:534340-Alivodic-u-Australiji-Blizu-jeste-gotovo-nije

Has to be translated but we must be looking at him at least.

Grimario

18-02-2015, 02:28 PM

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/sport.294.html:534340-Alivodic-u-Australiji-Blizu-jeste-gotovo-nije

Has to be translated but we must be looking at him at least.

Enver Alivodić , former right wing of Vojvodina , career will most likely continue in Australia .

He is in talks with the club Newcastle Jets , indicating that the great striker he could travel to the new continent .

lil_masi

18-02-2015, 03:12 PM

Found this article and translated it
His new club Newcastle Jets is the penultimate in the local first division . If you drop the club relegated to a lower 30 -year-old Alivodić , to the knowledge , has the option to stay in Australia only the second club of the strongest competition .
Alivodić is played for Novi Pazar ( three times ) , Workers' from Nis , Rad , BSK , Enosis Neon Paralimni Cyprus and Vojvodina .
This winter , there were indications that come to Partizan , especially after two great years in Novi Sad , but the leaders of the Black and Whites decided otherwise.
Alivodić will not be lonely football player from Serbia in Australia . Of players from this area there are Nikola Petkovic and Milos " nail" Dimitrijevic ( Sydney ) , Nebojsa Marinkovic first placed in Perth and Andrew Kaluđerović in Brisbane.

lil_masi

18-02-2015, 03:32 PM

http://youtu.be/P6wXSgtgLsA

MFKS

18-02-2015, 04:06 PM

I remember both when Con was in trouble and when Tinks gave back the license - the spiel from the FFA was "the fans need to turn out and show they want a football team"".

Really, with what we have put up with - to have 10,000 members, to show the capability to draw crowds over 20,000 a number of times AND get over 20,000 to drive down the F3 for a grand final show that we do want a football team - everyone will return once we have business stability and community engagement. Now is not the time to make the fans accountable.

They can **** off.

The fans not turning up is down to their ineptness.

They want the fans to return then run the football club properly.

It ain't the fans fault idiots have ran the club into the ground

borat

18-02-2015, 04:11 PM

Seems a reasonable enough player. Good goal return for a right winger in a decent enough league. Serbian players seem to do well in the A-league so hopefully he proves to be the same.

la bazzle

18-02-2015, 05:10 PM

Quality work once again from this new media guy.

Has a had a shocker since day dot. More scrutiny is needed of his many blunders. Would hate to be his mate. Moving forward.

redwah

18-02-2015, 05:14 PM

They can **** off.

The fans not turning up is down to their ineptness.

They want the fans to return then run the football club properly.

It ain't the fans fault idiots have ran the club into the ground
Here I was thinking fans not turning up was because they were "plastic" but now you let on that its because they are exercising their right to protest the ineptness of the clubs management and manager....no wonder people are confused.....what with your hypocrisy and all

My2BobsWorth

18-02-2015, 05:39 PM

Never argue with a hypocrite or an idiot.

MFKS

18-02-2015, 05:45 PM

Here I was thinking fans not turning up was because they were "plastic" but now you let on that its because they are exercising their right to protest the ineptness of the clubs management and manager....no wonder people are confused.....what with your hypocrisy and all

Those who are not turning up are plastic.

The club management is responsible for the mess we are in

What's there to be confused about??

hawk

18-02-2015, 06:50 PM

I remember both when Con was in trouble and when Tinks gave back the license - the spiel from the FFA was "the fans need to turn out and show they want a football team"".

Really, with what we have put up with - to have 10,000 members, to show the capability to draw crowds over 20,000 a number of times AND get over 20,000 to drive down the F3 for a grand final show that we do want a football team - everyone will return once we have business stability and community engagement. Now is not the time to make the fans accountable.

exactly.

the fans are fantastic. I shall repeat, we have the best fans for putting up with this mess. When will management finally be accountable.

Can we gift tinks stubbs and their other suckholes a trip to Indo with a bag of juice. #Justice4jets

MFKS

18-02-2015, 08:14 PM

Quality work once again from this new media guy.

Harassment on Twitter at least got him to change his Profile pic to something less Gypo

Pico

19-02-2015, 06:14 AM

Jets line up Serb to replace Steele
By JAMES GARDINER
Feb. 18, 2015, 10:03 p.m

SERBIAN midfielder Enver Alivodic is poised to join the Newcastle Jets as the club moves to fill another hole on its depleted roster.

Alivodic is due to arrive on Friday at the Jets, who signed Nigel Boogaard and Radovan Pavicevic this week to three- and two-year deals respectively.

Subject to a medical, Alivodic will take the place of Jonny Steele, who was released in December.

A 30-year-old right winger, Alivodic has played most of his career in the Serbian SuperLiga.

He is understood to be under the same management as Perth Glory playmaker Nebojsa Marinkovic.

After attracting interest from Turkish club Besiktas in 2013, Alivodic has played the past two SuperLiga seasons for Vojvodina, scoring 12 goals in 53 appearances.

Apart from Boogaard and Pavicevic, goalkeeper Ben Kennedy, midfielders Ben Kantarovski and Jacob Pepper and right back Scott Neville are the only senior Jets players contracted for next season.

The club has started talks about extending the stay of Daniel Mullen and Korean Lee Ki-je, who signed short-terms deals this month.

Captain Kew Jaliens agreed to a mutual termination on Monday and has linked with Melbourne City as an injury replacement. Joel Griffiths, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski are awaiting revised termination offers.
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David Carney, who has almost 18 months left on his $230,000-a-season deal, will have his unfair dismissal case heard by an arbitrator on Friday.

AAP reports: Sydney FC defender Seb Ryall has been cleared of simulation at a Football Federation Australia disciplinary hearing.

The 90-minute hearing centred around an incident in the 71st minute of the 3-3 draw against Melbourne Victory on Saturday when Ryall went down in the box to win his side a penalty.

Initial footage from the game appeared to show no contact on the fullback by Victory's Gui Finkler.

But Sydney FC brief Peter Paradise showed previously unseen footage from another angle showing Ryall had clipped the Brazilian's leg as he ran into the box.

After conceding contact had been made, FFA barrister Ivan Griscti argued Ryall's actions after the spot kick was awarded were proof of simulation.

But the defender said that once he felt contact on his leg he thought he had been fouled and was in his rights to appeal for a spot kick.

The 25-year-old admitted after seeing footage of the incident following the game that it was not a penalty but argued he had not set out to dive in the box and deceive the officials.

"As I ran towards him I was looking down at the ball and I felt contact and went down," Ryall said.

"I thought it was a penalty. I put my arms out because I felt contact and at the time I thought it was a foul.

"I couldn't know that it wasn't. I didn't clip my own ankle."

Ryall said his reaction after referee Strebre Delovski pointed to the spot, when he tapped Finkler on the back of the head, was simply a case of being caught up in the heat of the moment.

The case was the first to be heard by the disciplinary committee for simulation, which has been punishable retrospectively since 2009.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2893002/jets-line-up-serb-to-replace-steele/?cs=306

Looks like the Hoole haters might get their wish of him being dropped to the bench after all.

Pico

19-02-2015, 06:19 AM

Union gives Jets a serve over late player payments
By ROBERT DILLON
Feb. 18, 2015, 9:53 p.m

PROFESSIONAL Footballers Australia fired a broadside at Jets officials on Wednesday after Newcastle players were paid monthly wages that were two days overdue.

It was a case of better late than never for the players, who had been waiting for salaries that were supposed to have been in their bank accounts on Monday.

A number of Newcastle players are rookies, earning less than $50,000 per year, and some were believed to be at the point of asking PFA for special-assistance funding, which is provided to members in times of financial hardship.

In a statement on Wednesday night, the union said: "The PFA is happy to confirm that players' wages have been paid. Whilst the players and PFA are understandably relieved, we are extremely disappointed by the delay and the lack of communication from the club. The PFA will continue to monitor the situation at Newcastle Jets."

It is understood the four disenfranchised players Tinkler is trying to sack, Joel Griffiths, Adrian Madaschi, Billy Celeski and David Carney, received their monthly wages. All four, however, are still waiting to accept termination deals.

Carney, who is under contract for next season, will appear at an arbitration hearing on Friday to determine if he is entitled to a full payout worth more than $300,000.

Newcastle's players are supposed to be paid on the 15th of every month, but because that fell on a Sunday their salaries were due on Monday.

Jets chief executive Mitchell Murphy said on Tuesday that the wages had been delayed because the Tax Office had enforced a "garnishee order" on Tinkler's companies, enabling it to seize the monthly FFA grant used to pay players.

All A-League clubs receive a $2.55 million grant each year from FFA, in 12 instalments, to cover player wages.

Without this income stream, Tinkler had to source about $200,000 to reimburse his players of his own accord.

But if the tardy payments averted one potential crisis, Tinkler still has a host of outstanding liabilities to settle before his ownership of the embattled franchise can be considered secure.

An estimated $400,000 in employee superannuation remains unpaid, despite assurances from Tinkler that he would ‘‘get that met’’ last week.

If Tinkler is required to pay out, in full, his four unwanted players and sacked assistant coach Clayton Zane, that likely would cost him more than $500,000.

In addition, the NSW Office of State Revenue recently launched insolvency action to wind up the Jets over unpaid debts, and the matter remains listed for a directions hearing in the Sydney Supreme Court on Wednesday.

It is understood the debt is related to payroll tax and is a six-figure sum.

Tinkler and his former right-hand man, Troy Palmer, are scheduled to appear in Adelaide Supreme Court next month to face a liquidator chasing $5million that is allegedly owed to creditors.

There is an unspecified number of smaller creditors, including the Gold Coast woman who alleged in the Gold Coast Bulletin this week she is owed $33,000 after leaving Patinack Farm’s Canungra base in October.

She said she feared she might have to sell her family’s house.

FFA chief executive David Gallop warned Tinkler last week that he had a ‘‘matter of days’’ to resolve his outstanding liabilities.

‘‘There is certainly more that has to happen to get things on a stable footing,’’ Gallop said eight days ago.

‘‘They have taken some big steps. But there are remaining liabilities.

‘‘There’s some operational, structural, things that need to happen. We are still on a deadline, and we think it’s important that the pressure stays on to get these things put in place quickly.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2892975/union-gives-jets-a-serve-over-late-player-payments/?cs=306

So it looks like tinks solicitors haven't removed the garnishee order yet, he's got to find the cash to pay up players wages every month now. I wonder how long he'll be able to keep that up, especially with the other debts that he keeps telling the FFA he's going to pay "by next week" / "middle of the month".

Maito Mitch

19-02-2015, 07:11 AM

Looks like we're making some decent signings. Can't wait for him to show some promise, get benched and then released.

MFKS

19-02-2015, 07:21 AM

Looks like the Hoole haters might get their wish of him being dropped to the bench after all.

Like **** that will happen. :roflz:

Not when player agents are picking the team. :sigh:

Thomas477

19-02-2015, 09:23 AM

So the entirety of the cap is covered by payments from the FFA.

Why aren't we using the whole cap again?

Pico

19-02-2015, 09:28 AM

So the entirety of the cap is covered by payments from the FFA.

Why aren't we using the whole cap again?

Only reason I can see is that if you choose to use the salary floor for your squad, any surplus would then become available for covering additional operational costs, coaching staff, youth team players etc.

Grimario

19-02-2015, 09:29 AM

Only reason I can see is that if you choose to use the salary floor for your squad, any surplus would then become available for covering additional operational costs, coaching staff, youth team players etc.

Except pv4 has suggested that's not how it works at all.

Paging WLG, please give your input here again.

pv4

19-02-2015, 09:52 AM

Except pv4 has suggested that's not how it works at all.

Paging WLG, please give your input here again.

I don't have much more to input, other than I'm led to believe that clubs don't get to keep the leftover money they wouldn't have used in the cap so there's no advantage or disadvantage not to use the full cap other than you have no room to move if players want payrises and you've filled it already.

MFKS

19-02-2015, 09:54 AM

belchardo

19-02-2015, 10:56 AM

pv4

19-02-2015, 11:02 AM

well, potentially yes and no. who pays for accommodation and flights? is that covered by the A-league?

more players means more physio appointments, strapping tape, a whole load of other things in the background. so to me, more players = more money, no matter who is paying the players wages.

More players - yes.

Higher-paid players but same amount of heads - no.

Pico

19-02-2015, 11:03 AM

I don't have much more to input, other than I'm led to believe that clubs don't get to keep the leftover money they wouldn't have used in the cap so there's no advantage or disadvantage not to use the full cap other than you have no room to move if players want payrises and you've filled it already.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but I haven't seen it reported like that anywhere & I do find it unlikely that the clubs would agree to allowing the FFA to keep a surplus of the TV revenue the clubs generate. My understanding was that player wages had to be guaranteed to be covered by the broadcast distribution as part of the CBA with the PFA, one of the reasons why the PFA agreed to roll over the existing salary cap & floor limits into the new CBA in line with the new broadcast deal. The PFA was stressing in their public wording during negotiations that they were more concerned with player contracts being honoured, after the dismal handling by the FFA during the GCU & NQF collapses, than bumping up the salary cap figure, ironic considering the situation Carney is in now and to a lesser extend the treatment of players recently to force them to "mutually" terminate their contracts.

borat

19-02-2015, 11:04 AM

So the entirety of the cap is covered by payments from the FFA.

Why aren't we using the whole cap again?
Because Tinks can use the underspend elsewhere in the football dept

borat

19-02-2015, 11:07 AM

Only reason I can see is that if you choose to use the salary floor for your squad, any surplus would then become available for covering additional operational costs, coaching staff, youth team players etc.
That's exactly what happens. Read the regs covering salary cap payments. There was also an article from a year or so back describing this that I found recently

GazFish35

19-02-2015, 04:01 PM

Club Statement – David Carney

Newcastle Jets wish to inform its members, fans and media that the club has withdrawn a breach of the code of conduct previously assigned to player David Carney.

In light of the club’s decision, there will be no arbitration hearing between the club and Carney, as was scheduled to be held tomorrow (Friday 20 February) at Football Federation Australia’s (FFA’s) head office.

Over the past week there have been substantial operational and management changes at Newcastle Jets – changes the club believes will result in a new and positive direction for the Hunter’s Hyundai A-League franchise.

Newcastle Jets Chief Executive Officer Mitchell Murphy said: "It is the club’s desire to work proactively behind the scenes with David (Carney) and the PFA (Professional Footballers Australia) to resolve the situation in a timely manner."

"We achieved such an outcome earlier this week with Kew Jaliens, and the club is also committed to continuing the process with Joel Griffiths, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi."

pv4

19-02-2015, 04:05 PM

q-money

19-02-2015, 04:47 PM

fuk da jets

borat

19-02-2015, 04:58 PM

From the sounds of the statement, it seems they're still very intent on terminating his contract - ie they're not happy to have him in the squad still, and are still looking to remove him from it. It'll be way more expensive than the termination of the other players contracts as he had an extra year.

Mmmm my take, Jets know Carney has a deal lined up in China or elsewhere.

If they can't terminate then they will see how long Dave is happy to sit on the shelf while deals go by.

Hunter403

19-02-2015, 05:00 PM

If Carney evens looks at them the wrong way watch a breach notice get served. Tinkler will get him. Carney had better watch that he fulfill his contract to the letter.

plague

19-02-2015, 05:38 PM

If Carney evens looks at them the wrong way watch a breach notice get served. Tinkler will get him. Carney had better watch that he fulfill his contract to the letter.

Just threaten to make him play.
Reason enough to cut his losses and run.

plague

19-02-2015, 06:05 PM

The King is dead.
Long live the King.

borat

19-02-2015, 06:38 PM

This seemed likely when a RW is being signed. I wonder who the new striker is we have lined up

Pico

20-02-2015, 06:20 AM

Change of scenery welcome for Jets
By JAMES GARDINER
Feb. 19, 2015, 10:30 p.m

HUTT Recreation Ground is 13.7kilometres from Westpac Stadium in Wellington.

With a good run, it should take about 13 minutes by car.

The 9000-capacity stadium is the temporary home of the Wellington Phoenix during the Cricket World Cup.

On Sunday, they host the embattled Jets, who will welcome the move from Westpac Stadium with open arms.

Twelve trips to the ‘‘Cake Tin’’ have produced nine losses, one draw and two wins.

Apart from Perth, where the Jets’ lone win was in 2005, Westpac Stadium is their biggest graveyard.

‘‘The wind inside the stadium, the whole set-up, is pretty daunting, especially for a young team who hasn’t been over there before,’’ said Scott Neville, who hopes to return at right back after missing the 1-1 draw with Wanderers.

‘‘You don’t know which way the wind goes and the crowd can get on your back.

‘‘It is good to be away from Wellington. Last year we played in Napier and it worked out pretty well for us. We drew 0-0 and should have won.’’
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The Jets tried a bold attacking approach in round three against the Phoenix in Wellington and paid the price.

Former Jet Nathan Burns scored a double as the home side romped to a 4-1 triumph.

‘‘We were far too expansive in that game,’’ Neville said.

‘‘The wingers and the fullbacks got caught way too high and as soon as we turned the ball over Burnsy, Krishna and McGlinchey countered.

‘‘Those three don’t track back in defence, so if you turn the ball over, it takes one pass and they are through on goal.’’

Since Mark Jones and Jim Pascoe joined the support staff, the Jets have adopted a conservative game plan.

‘‘First and foremost we have tried to stop conceding goals,’’ Neville said.

‘‘We need to create a few more chances going forward, but that will come in time.

‘‘You have to start from the back and work forward.

‘‘Jonesy and Jimmy bring a lot of discipline to the group and a direction in the way we are looking to move forward.

‘‘I think the younger players, especially, are really buying into it.’’

Neville, one of five players alongside Ben Kennedy, Jacob Pepper, Ben Kantarovski and Radovan Pavicevic contracted for next season, has tried to block out the recent turmoil engulfing the club, heightened this week with the delay in players’ wages.

‘‘As a player, you can only do what you can do – that is focus on the job,’’ Neville said.

‘‘There is no sugar-coating it. It has been a horrible situation.

‘‘Hopefully all that gets put to bed and the players can concentrate solely on performing and representing the Hunter region. The Hunter is such a good place to play football. At the moment it is not reflecting that.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2895730/change-of-scenery-welcome-for-jets/?cs=306

Neville :wub:

Pico

20-02-2015, 06:26 AM

TINKLER'S SACK FLIP: Jets back down on bid to axe Carney over ‘breaches’
By ROBERT DILLON
Feb. 19, 2015, 10:30 p.m

CROWD favourite Joel Griffiths has been cleared to join a rival club, while former Socceroo David Carney has received a stay of execution after another eventful day for the Newcastle Jets.

Jets officials issued two statements on Thursday, the first revealing they had ‘‘withdrawn’’ their claim to have Carney sacked for alleged code-of-conduct breaches.

Two hours later, the club announced that Griffiths had signed a mutual-termination agreement, leaving the 35-year-old free to consider all offers.

There was speculation he would sign with Wellington Phoenix, although he has also been linked to Perth and Western Sydney.

Griffiths and Carney were among five senior players, along with Kew Jaliens, Adrian Madaschi and Billy Celeski, whom Jets owner Nathan Tinkler announced had been sacked three weeks ago after a power struggle with coach Phil Stubbins.

Coaching staff members Clayton Zane, Neil Young and Andrew Packer were also dismissed, effective immediately.

Carney’s situation remains unclear after Jets officials averted an arbitration hearing on Friday that may have left the club facing a payout of more than $300,000. The Jets were intent on proving that they were entitled to tear up the final year of the 31-year-old’s contract because of three alleged breaches.

But on Thursday the club announced it had ‘‘withdrawn a breach of the code of conduct previously assigned to player David Carney’’, after which the Professional Footballers Association withdrew its grievance claim on Carney’s behalf.

“Throughout what has been a very difficult time for David, his professionalism and integrity have been of the highest possible order,” PFA chief executive Adam Vivian said.

“As has been the case during his time at the club, David remains completely committed to the Jets and is eager to put the matter behind him and focus on helping the club climb up the ladder.”

But it remains to be seen if Stubbins, who was asked for comment on Thursday but did not reply, will reinstate Carney after their bitter falling-out.

New Jets chief executive Mitchell Murphy, who also did not respond to attempts to contact him, gave no indication in a statement whether Carney would be considered for selection.

“It is the club’s desire to work proactively behind the scenes with David and the PFA and to resolve the situation in a timely manner,” Murphy said.

After the departure of Griffiths, who scored 34 goals in 83 games for the Jets in two stints, was confirmed, Murphy said the 2008 grand final winner had made a ‘‘valuable contribution’’ to the club.

“Joel’s been an outstanding player for the Jets, but sometimes there are difficult circumstances in football,’’ Murphy said.

There was no confirmation the Jets had settled a host of much-publicised liabilities, in particular a superannuation debt estimated to be in the region of $400,000 and a Tax Office debt that led to a garnishee order being imposed on Tinkler’s companies.

Football Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop warned Tinkler last week that he had a ‘‘matter of days’’ to meet his obligations, but at a press conference on Thursday his tone was measured.

‘‘They are certainly taking some positive steps and have appointed a new CEO in Mitchell Murphy,’’ Gallop said.

‘‘We need to continue to make sure they are doing the things they need to and get that club in the state it should be. They’re in a position at the moment where they are working to get it right.

‘‘There is no particular deadline for that position now, but we’d like it sorted sooner rather than later.’’

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2894255/jets-back-down-on-bid-to-axe-carney/?cs=306

Any hope of being freed from Tinks is now extinguished.

The Knights and the NRL must be over the moon with glee at the work Tinkler is doing for them.

What a petulant little child Phil Stubbins is.

Good to see the club is moving forward and the new culture that is being brought in from the top, cowardice.

Pico

20-02-2015, 06:29 AM

A-League Confidential: Nathan Tinkler finally pays Newcastle Jets players

Tom Smithies, Carly Adno
The Daily Telegraph
February 19, 2015 6:14PM

JETS owner Nathan Tinkler finally stumped up the money to pay his squad’s wages this week, but the FFA handout that is supposed to cover A-League salaries won’t be coming his way for a while.

The Australian Tax Office put a so-called garnishee order on Tinkler’s companies which in effect means any money due to be paid to them – like the monthly grant FFA gives to each club, meant to pay players’ wages – goes instead to the ATO.

That’s why the wages were late this week, and in the end Tinkler had to pay them himself – but the issue isn’t going away.

Given the size of the debt to the ATO, one month’s salary payments – roughly $200,000 – is nowhere near enough to clear it. So unless Tinkler can somehow challenge the order, the FFA will be redirecting its monthly payout straight to the taxman for the foreseeable future.

And that’s before the superannuation arrears of $400,000 comes into the equation

I hope the ATO & State Revenue take Tinkler's abortion of a club to the wall.

MFKS

20-02-2015, 08:00 AM

I hope the ATO & State Revenue take Tinkler's abortion of a club to the wall.
Considering how he juggles his finances its a certainty this is ongoing issue??

As for the FFA's stance on this ie their reluctance to do a god damn thing. I am glad you blokes were all keen to not upset them when the Asian Cup was on.

That grace that was offered to them has not been reciprocated back has it.

Gallop is just like Nero
Fiddling whilst Newy Burns

plague

20-02-2015, 08:17 AM

Nathan Tinkler is a visionary and the Jets are well on the path to redemption.

It has come as no surprise today to see Nathan Tinkler once again think outside the box in order to be successful. For most people ‘working in the mines’ is enough. But for Tinkler, he had the vision to buy his own mine and made mountains off money from it.

The same logic is now being used at the Jets. There has been uproar from the usual die hards this morning that the Jets are going to make an offer to CCM player Matt Simon. Observers on the Jets fan site will note that Simon is one of the two most despised opposition players in history. The fans hate Simon and are currently threatening to withdraw support for the club if they sign such a despised character.

But let’s do the math for a minute. The Jets have a member base of around 10,000. This is out of an estimated 500,000 people in the Newcastle/Hunter region. Can Tinkler be so bold as to assume that the other 490,000 aren’t coming to games because we DON’T have Matt Simon on the team? Could signing Simon bring those extra 490,000 people to buy memberships and turn up on match days?
Could this be the next masterstroke for the man who seems to turn everything to gold (or more accurately, coal). Think of the upturn in revenue with 490,000 crammed into Hunter Stadium every second week. Think of the sponsors lining up to support the team with the best support of any football team in any code in the country.

Could our mining magnate and his team of visionaries simply be ‘playing the percentages’ and now appealing to the majority of Hunter football fans? This is probably the boldest move in the history of sports management and I, for one, applaud it. They said he was crazy for buying that mine, they said he was crazy for leaving keys to his Ferrari on the kitchen bench, but in both cases he was proved right.

So I say, back yourself Nathan. Do what you think is right. You haven’t failed before, what’s to say your hot streak won’t continue.

This bloke gets it. What a ledge.

Tommyjet

20-02-2015, 12:58 PM

This bloke gets it. What a ledge.

What knob-jockey compiled that delusional rubbish

MFKS

20-02-2015, 01:03 PM

What knob-jockey compiled that delusional rubbish
I thought the poster was taking the piss but then again he may have been serious

plague

20-02-2015, 01:23 PM

What knob-jockey compiled that delusional rubbish
Dunno, but he sounds to me like a 'big picture' kind of guy.
Some blokes on here too narrow minded to get it.
I hear John Lennon had the same problem writing his early stuff.

MFKS

20-02-2015, 01:56 PM

Defending premiers Lambton Jaffas Football Club have confirmed the signing of former EPL and A-League star Michael Bridges to play in the Northern NSW Football national premier league competition for the 2015 season.

**** these player agents strike again. Is there anything they can't get done??? :roflz:

Jeterpool

20-02-2015, 02:07 PM

**** these player agents strike again. Is there anything they can't get done??? :roflz:

Debut in 4-6 weeks?

plague

20-02-2015, 02:08 PM

**** these player agents strike again. Is there anything they can't get done??? :roflz:

if i see him at training ill give him a hearty welcome from you Member.

joel31

20-02-2015, 02:45 PM

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2896729/michael-bridges-joins-lambton-jaffas/?cs=306

stopper2

20-02-2015, 06:05 PM

**** these player agents strike again. Is there anything they can't get done??? :roflz:

I'm actually surprised it took that long for this to be announced!
There was talk from Jaffas earlier in the year that they wanted to sign Bridges, now that he is seemingly unemployed and has no 'connexions" elsewhere, Bridges joining Jaffas was as good as a done deal. Shame some young kid's development at Jaffas is going to be put on hold now because Michael still wants to have a kick around!

My2BobsWorth

20-02-2015, 06:09 PM

You really are quite stupid.

hawk

20-02-2015, 07:22 PM

You really are quite stupid.

elaborate Dr

stopper2

20-02-2015, 08:29 PM

You really are quite stupid.

My apologies....Bridgey is a top bloke and a club legend....is that better for you!!!
If only you knew the truth!

hawk

20-02-2015, 08:30 PM

My apologies....Bridgey is a top bloke and a club legend....is that better for you!!!
If only you knew the truth!

the truth isn't very honourable

MFKS

20-02-2015, 08:33 PM

My apologies....Bridgey is a top bloke and a club legend....is that better for you!!!
If only you knew the truth!

The wankfest on the Herald blowing this bloke off sickens me. How little they know on the reality of his departure from the Jets

GazFish35

20-02-2015, 09:02 PM

Since Mark Jones and Jim Pascoe joined the support staff, the Jets have adopted a conservative game plan.

Are they trying to re-write history?

Pico

20-02-2015, 09:39 PM

Griff delivers a sermon to his followers :wub:

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/index.php/2015/02/20/joel-griffith-extended-interview/

GazFish35

20-02-2015, 10:43 PM

Thomas477

20-02-2015, 10:46 PM

Are they trying to re-write history?

I seem to remember the article announcing his signing saying that Stubbins wanted to playing attacking football, not more defensive footballs than even Pim did.

WolfMan

21-02-2015, 02:12 AM

Never seen a player show so much emotion in an interview. Lost count of the times he spoke of the club as "we".

Griffo, you'll be missed, can not wait for your return. Forever newy!

Thought he did well to not unleash.
It was hard to watch seeing a bloke so churned up.

And some dicks think he doesn't care about the club or the fans.

I took the "we" as his family. More in reference to the business etc.

That said, he obviously loves the club and city.

Also interesting "if played in the right position, I can still score goals in this league" - bang on Griffo. Watch him score for fun wherever he lands

GazFish35

21-02-2015, 04:42 AM

I took the "we" as his family. More in reference to the business etc.

Oh for sure, but there were lots of times he was speaking as a fan/supporter

Blackmac79

21-02-2015, 05:33 AM

heartbreaking.

MFKS

21-02-2015, 07:19 AM

FORMER Socceroo David Carney has almost certainly played his last game for the Newcastle Jets, despite the club abandoning its attempt to have him sacked for disciplinary reasons.

Carney, who has another year to run on his contract with Newcastle, trained with his teammates on Friday but will not join them on Saturday on the flight to Wellington for Sunday’s game against the Phoenix.

Jets officials withdraw a claim on Thursday for an alleged code-of-conduct breach by Carney, averting an FFA arbitration hearing.

It seems they will now try to negotiate a pay-out figure, although Carney also has the option of staying with Newcastle to honour a deal worth more than $200,000 a season.

PFA chief executive Adam Vivian said on Thursday that Carney ‘‘remains completely committed to the Jets and is eager to put the matter behind him and focus on helping the club climb up the ladder’’.

But he appears highly unlikely to be given that opportunity.

Jets coach Phil Stubbins declined to directly answer whether Carney would be considered for selection, but the club’s new chief executive, Mitchell Murphy, was more forthcoming.

‘‘Quite clearly the club prior to my arrival had made a decision that David Carney was not required for the playing group moving forward,’’ Murphy said.

‘‘We as a club made a decision very, very specifically about the breach notice. It was quite public what we did there.

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‘‘In terms of his situation of returning to the playing group, nothing has changed.’’

Asked it that meant he was unlikely to be selected, Murphy replied: ‘‘I think that’s an accurate assessment.’’

Stubbins said the Jets were ‘‘trying to work out a pathway forward’’ that would suit both parties.

‘‘We’re doing everything we can behind the scenes amicably, working within the guidelines of the contractual situation and also with the PFA,’’ he said.

Stubbins said Carney ‘‘won’t be going to Wellington’’ and repeated the same comment when asked if the 31-year-old would be considered for Newcastle’s next game.

Carney was one of five players and three coaching-staff members who Jets owner Nathan Tinkler declared three weeks ago had been sacked.

Joel Griffiths and Kew Jaliens have both signed release forms this week, but Carney, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madaschi are yet to accept termination deals.

Murphy confirmed on Friday that Tinkler still owed players and staff a reported $400,000 in superannuation, despite assurances it would be paid last week.

‘‘The superannuation has not been paid,’’ Murphy said.

‘‘As we’ve said, we’re in dialogue with the FFA about some time lines around when we’ll be in a position to clear those liabilities, and that’s the current status.’’

With regard to the Australian Tax Office garnishee order that has been placed on Tinkler’s companies, Murphy did not want to speculate about when that might be resolved.

‘‘That’s a complex situation that we continue to work on behind the scenes,’’ he said.

‘‘We’re moving as fast as we can to resolve that matter.’’

So basically they slander Carneys name with the breaches aspect stick solid on it for 2 weeks renege and then now put him in the same boat Kew Madaschi Celevski Griff were in 2 weeks ago.

That shows ****ing solid management there