SQUAD FOR 2015/16 SEASON - no Griff, no party

[Premy]

We should go for Naumoff and Sebastian Ryall. Anything less Sydney can **** off.

Not too keen on pedophiles sorry, pass.

[lquiquer]

I want Hoole to come back just for the lulz from Hawk.

Bloke hates him.

**** off Hoole ....ADP or nothing

[MFKS]

I want Hoole to come back just for the lulz from Hawk.

Bloke hates him.
5 5 5

My Thoughts exactly.

Bring Hoole back just for Hawks meltdown alone.

Lets not forget he would still be our best player though


5 5 5

[Thomas477]

So we trade our best player for two squaddies, typical Jets.

[plague]

5 5 5

My Thoughts exactly.

Bring Hoole back just for Hawks meltdown alone.

Lets not forget he would still be our best player though


5 5 5
On Australia Day and everything.

I mean, this club hates it's fans there's no doubt about it. But someone in HQ has it in bad for Hawk and wants him destroyed.

[parksey]

Anyone who doesn't want Hoole has deadset got rocks in their heads. You've got idiots in here crying out for a creative player and then turn their nose up at one of the most creative, quick and skilful players in the league.

I was at the City v Sydney game a few weeks back and he absolutely ran rings around their defence all game. He's not getting enough game time at Sydney because they have a very experienced front 3. He's got Socceroo potential.

I'll give you that he is yet to score a goal in the league, but that will come. He's been a bit unlucky at times, but has missed a few sitters.

[parksey]

I also rate that Blackwood guy who plays up front.

He reminds me of Thomas Muller.

[plague]

exact type of player we should be playing as the 2nd def mid to try and get something going.

But I've been saying similar since he killed it in that GF for Magic.


Anyway coach will get the boys to kick it long and he can run up the wing all day like the rest of them.

[borat]

I would take this trade in a heartbeat. If we were to sign Carney again, the very next day his agent would be shopping him around again. It happened last season after 6-7 games and this season.

Naumoff and Hoole are fantastic young players. How you could not want 2 quality players for 1 is beyond me. Hole alone would be a fantastic swap.

[Mark325]

I would take this trade in a heartbeat. If we were to sign Carney again, the very next day his agent would be shopping him around again. It happened last season after 6-7 games and this season.

Naumoff and Hoole are fantastic young players. How you could not want 2 quality players for 1 is beyond me. Hole alone would be a fantastic swap.

Sitting on it for a while I see no reason not too take it. Hoole and Naumoff are gun players, well worth making a trade and in the long run I'd say getting the two better players

Keep them into next season and that sorts out left and right mid no problems

[MFKS]

OK

Just looking at it in the cold light of day now.

Exactly why would Hoole come back here??

He left us not because we were not competitive in offering him a deal.

He left because we are a basketcase of a club that would strangle his career if he hung around.

Why exactly would 6 months later he want to come back and strangle his career again??

It ain't like we have had a massive turnaround. Hell you could argue we are not much better than we were this time last year under Muppet and Tinkler in some ways


I understand he hasn't had the greatest run at Smurfs but why wouldn't he stick around there at least to the end of the season to see if things change for him before wanting to come back to Newy??

[The Dunster]

OK

Just looking at it in the cold light of day now.

Exactly why would Hoole come back here??

He left us not because we were not competitive in offering him a deal.

He left because we are a basketcase of a club that would strangle his career if he hung around.

Why exactly would 6 months later he want to come back and strangle his career again??

It ain't like we have had a massive turnaround. Hell you could argue we are not much better than we were this time last year under Muppet and Tinkler in some ways


I understand he hasn't had the greatest run at Smurfs but why wouldn't he stick around there at least to the end of the season to see if things change for him before wanting to come back to Newy??

It looks lke Arnold doesn't want him so that would be one reason.

[The Dunster]

Anyone who doesn't want Hoole has deadset got rocks in their heads. You've got idiots in here crying out for a creative player and then turn their nose up at one of the most creative, quick and skilful players in the league.

I was at the City v Sydney game a few weeks back and he absolutely ran rings around their defence all game. He's not getting enough game time at Sydney because they have a very experienced front 3. He's got Socceroo potential.

I'll give you that he is yet to score a goal in the league, but that will come. He's been a bit unlucky at times, but has missed a few sitters.

You don't have Socceroo potential at 22 Parskey - you are a Socceroo at 22. Hoole is not and will be another Kanta / James Brown / Virgilli / Patafta money pit of disappointment for the Jets.

He has no end product and in the position he plays that is crucial. No goals from open play in 58 appearances - that's failure my man. He's barely worth minimum wage let alone what his management will be asking.

If he comes good buy him then but don't waste more time and money hoping he miraculously evolves into a super star

[parksey]

Ah that's right, if you're not playing for the national team by 22 you should just retire.

[MFKS]

Ah that's right, if you're not playing for the national team by 22 you should just retire.

Worked well if we had that philosophy

Timmy Cahill would never have got a run

[The Dunster]

Worked well if we had that philosophy

Timmy Cahill would never have got a run

He didn't get a run because he had already played as a junior for another country and the rules forbid him playing for Australia.

When the rules were changed in 2004 he had the option of playing for Australia and did so. Immediately.

Nice try.

[The Dunster]

Ah that's right, if you're not playing for the national team by 22 you should just retire.

Nice strawman Parksey. The facts are 58 games no goals in open play from an attacking player. Sorry, that's just not good enough at A-league level let alone talk of him being a Socceroo.

I really hope he turns it around and proves me wrong but it's a long shot at best.

The club needs to find players ready now not players that have a 10% chance in maybe being ready in five years time

[parksey]

mate, he's easily up to a-league standard. he's a consistently good player for sydney, and was our best player last season. he is almost unplayable in this league on his day.

[MFKS]

He didn't get a run because he had already played as a junior for another country and the rules forbid him playing for Australia.

When the rules were changed in 2004 he had the option of playing for Australia and did so. Immediately.

Nice try.

That does not change anything cause at 22 Cahill was still a League One player at Milwall and wouldn't have been picked for the Soccerroos anyway.

It wasn't until 2004 when Milwall made the FA Cup Final he came on the radar for the NT anyway

[riverboy]

I think we should just close the forum. Jets far too depressing to talk about..

[riverboy]

At least when griffiths and regan played they played with total commitment.

Nothing left on the park.
Theres just no confidence or belief.

[lquiquer]

I think we should just close the forum. Jets far too depressing to talk about..

No way ....the foz is a therapeutic tool. Use it "To Let Go" :thumbsup:

[The Dunster]

mate, he's easily up to a-league standard. he's a consistently good player for sydney, and was our best player last season. he is almost unplayable in this league on his day.

Fair enough.

[lquiquer]

Watching tonight's game I can't see how Naumoff could help our cause

[The Dunster]

Watching tonight's game I can't see how Naumoff could help our cause

I thought the point of gifting Carney to Sydney would be to help their cause by giving them a proven player while removing two squad players off their books.

[lquiquer]

I thought the point of gifting Carney to Sydney would be to help their cause ?

The point is deal goes ahead we end up with a donkey and probably 2

[hawk]

IMO if we cant pitch a side with football talent then we play like Millwall and kick the fk out of any opposition that comes here.

Make them earn the pts. A fortress could almost be earned.

We get our usual loss or draw but it will be worth a watch. bout the only way Ill keep interest

[riverboy]

If carney wants out then we should trade him. Id take naumoff straight out, throw in max burgess. 2 for the future.

[The Dunster]

If carney wants out then we should trade him. Id take naumoff straight out, throw in max burgess. 2 for the future.

There is no future for the Jets.

[matty]

im hearing strong words of the new striker is danish....morten nordstrand is his name. was a free agent, will be announced by friday

[hawk]

oh god

[q-money]

i'm all about big mortz

[Grimario]

http://m.bt.dk/?redirect=www.bt.dk/superligaen/morten-nordstrand-skifter-langt-vaek-fra-superligaen&

Morten Nordstrand leaves the Super League and AGF and switches to the Australian club Newcastle Jets.

Nordstrand has contract expired, so he shifts away from Aarhus on a free transfer. According bt.dk's information he has received a contract of shorter duration in the Australian team, which is expected to present the Dane in the coming days, when the last few small details are in place in the agreement.

The 32-year-old striker has found it difficult to play for a place in the starting line-up in AGF this season and has started inside zero times.

Superliga-striker's ultimatum: if HE is here, I will away

Now he saw to compete with attackers as Milos Trifunović and David Carney instead of Mate Vatsadze and possibly Morten 'Duncan' Rasmussen who reported close to the Aarhus club, and maybe it gives more time for the former FC Copenhagen and FC Nordsjælland striker.

Beckham is crushed: No words can describe my sorrow

Newcastle Jets will at least need a scorer for the club is only in ninth place out of 10 teams in the A-League.

Morten Nordstrand is not the only Dane in the best Australian league. The former national team goalkeeper Thomas Sorensen is currently on target in Melbourne City.

Get the big picture: the Super League transfer goes berserk

bt.dk has been in dialogue with Morten Nordstrand's intermediary Bjarne Goldbæk, but he has not wanted to comment on the story.

[plague]

If the Newcastle Herald doesn't manage to work in a Mitchell Pearce reference to us signing a Great Dane then they have failed and should all get the sack.

[Bon]

If the Newcastle Herald doesn't manage to work in a Mitchell Pearce reference to us signing a Great Dane then they have failed and should all get the sack.

:lulzturtle:

[Bon]

Just did a quick youtube.. (what else?)
Seems Morten knows how to crank an overhead or two..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqJ6qvWk91M

[tomo]

if the newcastle herald doesn't manage to work in a mitchell pearce reference to us signing a great dane then they have failed and should all get the sack.

lol

[Bon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtwrI-NEr1g

[GazFish35]

why is beckham so upset by this?

[Wilso8948]

why is beckham so upset by this?

He was going to bring out his new fragrence called "Nord Strand"...

[synapse101]

He was going to bring out his new fragrence called "Nord Strand"...

Hmm- Nord Strand = "North Beach"... could work :)

[synapse101]

why is beckham so upset by this?

Ha ha, I think they just copied and pasted into Google translate- thats a link to another story about Beckham being sad that Henry Worsley died.

[synapse101]

"Superliga-striker's ultimatum: if HE is here, I will away"
"Beckham is crushed: No words can describe my sorrow"
"Get the big picture: the Super League transfer goes berserk"
FYI These bits are all just links to other unrelated stories.

[leftrightout]

Just did a quick youtube.. (what else?)
Seems Morten knows how to crank an overhead or two..

Which is pointless for us unless he can leap 15ft in the air to meet our crosses!

[Bon]

Which is pointless for us unless he can leap 15ft in the air to meet our crosses!

Or behind the goals in to row L where the crosses normally end up..
You are correct.

[belchardo]

hang on, he might have really long legs - oh wait, he's 177cm tall. he's stuffed.

[Nou Camp]

Or behind the goals in to row L where the crosses normally end up..
You are correct.

what you mean some crosses actually make it past the first defender

[Bon]

Its official now. Just got the email from the club..
Nordstrand signed for the rest of the season..

[matty]

thanks fellas, ill be here all day

[Bon]

thanks fellas, ill be here all day

Nice work mate..

[BodyNovo]

dam when I saw #welcomemorten I thought we'd sign this bloke

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/14/article-1235620-06622E1F0000044D-702_306x423.jpg

[The Postman]

im hearing strong words of the new striker is danish....morten nordstrand is his name. was a free agent, will be announced by friday

16 goals in the past 6 years, no thanks.

[Grimario]

16 goals in the past 6 years, no thanks.

Already signed. Tough luck Mr Postman!

And that records on par with the Jets anyway, so he could double our output.

[belchardo]

16 goals in the past 6 years, no thanks.

to be fair, that's about all that our entire team has scored in the last six years.

[Wilso8948]

Hard to get excited about it. But a signing is a signing. And in an area we need improvement in. Even if he's shit 2/3 aint bad and works for the Jets

[Premy]

16 goals in the past 6 years, no thanks.

This, underwhelming. As if I expected anything different.

[Bon]

Fvck me, aren't we a bunch of negative cunce..
Not happy when we don't sign anyone, not happy when we do.. haha..

Where is VikingJet when we need, to give us some insider info on him..

[Jetmaster]

We could sign Messi tomorrow and the haterz would moan that he was past his best.

[q-money]

will walk this league, hand us the trophy right now ffa cunce

[RAM]

From Danish 2nd division to us. Not many goals in last 6-7 years. Short. 3 international goals. 2 against Liechtenstein. Can't believe I spelt it without spell check.

[Grimario]

Trifunovic - Vic
Mortenson - Morty

Welcome to the Vic and Morty show. At least it will be good for a laugh.

[borat]

Signed for shorter than a guest player stint. Means that Miller is either not convinced or wants Morts to prove himself first.

Certainly has experience and was a prolific scorer at one point in his career. We needed an experienced striker and now we have one, let's see how this pans out. Not a lot of risk considering we are running 2nd to last.

Any trade for Carney can now not include Tavres. Would prefer midfielders like Grant or O'Neill now than attackers

[WolfMan]

signed for shorter than a guest player stint. Means that miller can see the writing on the wall


ftfy

[StannyCFCJET]

six month contract smart move as he is essentially playing for a permanent stay and if doesnt work out can still sign someone else in the off season well done Scotty (DID I JUST PRAISE MILLER WTF)

[borat]

Plays 9 or 10, likes to run into the box from deep. Sounds like Morts will play 10 and an option to put pressure on Trifunovic.

Jets are also trialling Joeys striker Cameron Joice

[leftrightout]

Short term signing means he can come in and impress everyone and no doubt sign for a much more successful club next season.
We are basically trialing him for Sydney FC next year.

[Jetmaster]

Can do bicycle kicks.

Takes us back to the glory days of Graham Heys and Tom Haythornthwaite!

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Free Agent, nuff said.

[The Dunster]

Morten Nordstrand is a quality striker and has faced defenders throughout his career a lot more talented than the shit he will be up against in the A-League.
I'm quietly confident he will suprise a few people.

[GazFish35]

I've only ever heard the name Morten once, in a joke when I was about 12, funnily enough it was at holiday coaching clinic run be the Breakers.....


Two mates, Peter and Morten are driving down the Highway in the dead of night from Coffs To Newy
Morten turns to Peter and says, Peter - I need to take a dump.
Peter says, "mate, we've just passed the Port Macquarie Turnoff you'll have to wait till Kew
They get to Kew, but everything is shut, so Peter drives on - Coopernook Pub will be open.
Morten is grimacing in pain, but Peter refuses to pullover on the side of the Highway in the middle of the night.
At Coopernook the pub is closed and the old Shell Servo is abandoned.
Peter drives on "Taree! Morten we'll stop at Taree"
All Morten could muster was "hurry the **** up"

When they finally pull into the 24hr service station at Taree, Morten is out of the car before it even stops moving and runs like the clappers round the back of the servo, crashes through the door and sits down to take a shit.

Peter waits in the car.
10 minutes later - no Morten.
20 minutes later - no Morten.
30 minutes later - still no Morten.

Peter gets out of the car, crosses the carpark, dodges the drunken teenagers Taree is famous for and heads towards the toilet door.

That's when he hears it.....

a loud, blood-curling scream coming from the bathroom.
A few moments after that, another loud scream reverberates through the air.

Peter pushes the door open, to find Morten sitting, trembling in fear and pain

“What’s all the screaming about? and why the hell are you taking so long?"
Peter! Exclaims Morten “I’m just sitting here on the toilet taking a shit, and every time I try to stand up, something grabs me by the ball and pulls me back down.”

Peter turns on the light and starts laughing hysterically, Morten you ****wit, you're sitting on a mop bucket"

[RAM]

Another Jesper Håkansson IMO

[borat]

Free Agent, nuff said.
Got a release from his club

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Got a release from his club

So glad we could force him off their hands. He must be all class :gent:

[The Dunster]

Another Jesper Håkansson IMO

If his record is anything to go by Mortenson is a class or two above Jesper Håkansson who also played for Lygby, although at different times.

The problem with Hakko was he was gun shy and would not commit to a tackle in what is ultimately a physical league.

[belchardo]

He's short and doesn't score a lot, but for a six month contract I'm happy for us to give him a go.

[borat]

So glad we could force him off their hands. He must be all class :gent:

Have you followed the HAL for long? In the history of the a-league there has been 2-3 transfer fees paid for players by my recollection.

Lowry, Oar, Troisi all received releases from their respective clubs. Makes no difference as to whether they turn out to be good signings

[RAM]

If his record is anything to go by Mortenson is a class or two above Jesper Håkansson who also played for Lygby, although at different times.

The problem with Hakko was he was gun shy and would not commit to a tackle in what is ultimately a physical league.

he was a toiler but lacked a bit of quality - I'm expecting the same

[Bon]

This video was put up on the The World Game's article about him too..
Looks quite good with his head too..
(Keep an eye out for "Slut" at the end, haha)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzEb-mveanQ

[Mark325]

One thing that must be credited to Miller when compared to Stubbins is that Miller has signed most all of his players to much shorter contracts, Stubbins ****ed up in a lot of ways by signing some un-tested players to two year contracts for no reason.

We'll have to give this guy a game or two to get re-adjusted but back a few years ago he seemed a pretty prolific scorer, unlike guys like Trif who were never belting in goals consistently at any point in his career. Obviously his current form isn't looking the best but you never know.

[q-money]

i'm all about this bloke, will get his name tattooed on SD's arse if he scores more than 5 in the rest of the season

[synapse101]

I would take this trade in a heartbeat. If we were to sign Carney again, the very next day his agent would be shopping him around again. It happened last season after 6-7 games and this season.

I quoted you on this on the pod recording last night. Sorry that I couldn't remember who said it to give you a shout out at the time. So sorry and thanks! :/

[MFKS]

What a ****ing signing.

We have waited a whole month nearly for the ****s at the club to spend the cash we freeed up by releasing Leaky G

So far we have some bloke who is about the 40 th best footballer under 23 years old in Australia and some Danish 2nd division player


Far out. If that is the best we can do even Griff couldn't save us

Now all you glass half full guys out there enlighten me with your continual defence that Millers hands are tied etc exactly what it is you see with him that when given a wallet full of cash to rebuild our club he is capable of bringing in players of the adequate quality

This bloke is not even a ****ing gamble. He works out it looks like a good signing as his reputation is not even there.
It fails then the club can wash their hands and say it was only short term


Cowardly signing if you ask me

[Frodo]

What a ****ing signing.

We have waited a whole month nearly for the ****s at the club to spend the cash we freeed up by releasing Leaky G

So far we have some bloke who is about the 40 th best footballer under 23 years old in Australia and some Danish 2nd division player


Far out. If that is the best we can do even Griff couldn't save us

Now all you glass half full guys out there enlighten me with your continual defence that Millers hands are tied etc exactly what it is you see with him that when given a wallet full of cash to rebuild our club he is capable of bringing in players of the adequate quality

This bloke is not even a ****ing gamble. He works out it looks like a good signing as his reputation is not even there.
It fails then the club can wash their hands and say it was only short term


Cowardly signing if you ask me


According to his Wiki page he has scored 178 goals in 313 games, so that's a more than a goal every second game.. In leagues that are much tougher than the HAL (i don't know many leagues that aren't tougher than the HAL) and has scored in the Champions league, the Europa league, the UEFA cup and in the Dutch National team. What part of that makes you say his reputation isn't there?

Bon said it right. People are gonna whinge whoever we sign. How about let him play and then comment on him? Triff has scored 7 from 15 and people are still slagging him off.

[belchardo]

Triff has scored 7 from 15 and people are still slagging him off.

to be fair though, they slag him off for the 20 or so sitters that he's missed.

[Beeen]

Honestly member who in the right frame of mind would want to join this club? Danish 2nd tier is about our level

[StannyCFCJET]

According to his Wiki page he has scored 178 goals in 313 games, so that's a more than a goal every second game.. In leagues that are much tougher than the HAL (i don't know many leagues that aren't tougher than the HAL) and has scored in the Champions league, the Europa league, the UEFA cup and in the Dutch National team. What part of that makes you say his reputation isn't there?

Bon said it right. People are gonna whinge whoever we sign. How about let him play and then comment on him? Triff has scored 7 from 15 and people are still slagging him off.

He's Danish not Dutch and only scored 6 goals and missed heaps he should have over 15 goals by now

[halo se7en]

MFKS - Can you tell us exactly how much Miller had at his disposal? And then tell us exactly who's available to sign, who would be interested in coming here.

[Grimario]

Honestly member who in the right frame of mind would want to join this club? Danish 2nd tier is about our level

I reckon we have done well to get someone from an actual professional league.

[scarfy96]

Easier to bitch and moan rather than worry about reality. This guy has pedigree, happy to give him a chance, we don't have a lot of other options. I mean top notch strikers, banging in goals regularly in top leagues in Europe are so common and in oversupply I am surprised Lambton Jaffas haven't signed 3 of them.

[q-money]

some of you blokes would boo santa claus

[Grimario]

some of you blokes would boo santa claus

I would.

Santa Clause ya ****, where's me ****ing bike? I've unwrapped all this other junk and there's nothing that I like.

[Jeterpool]

It is sensible to write him off before he has kicked a ball.

This place is deteriorating.

[Jetmaster]

Been noted he actually has a pre A-League record better than Berisha.

[MFKS]

MFKS - Can you tell us exactly how much Miller had at his disposal? And then tell us exactly who's available to sign, who would be interested in coming here.

Poljak Haliti Hoffman Jackson Leonardo Trifunovic Kitto Watson

There is easily well over 600k in wages there alone then you throw in these 2 as nd there's another 100 k plus

So it ain't like he has not had money to spend.He just signs players not up to it.

Now whilst you sit there watching us get towelled ,6-1 at home and wish to keep defending the bloke who refuses to do anything to significantly change the situation at the club does it occur to you that your inability to accept that Miller has signed players that are plain well just not good enough to turn our pliht around.and is in fact actually making us suffer more by not actually making significant improvements so we are better next year ???

Facts are this shit is on again next year as well as he has failed to start making the changes necessary to have us at the topend of the table any time soon

Like What actually is the plan??

The FFA don't seem to have one but he still has 2.25--2.6 million salary cap to spend on adequate players to be significantly more competitive in this league.

He is failing

[MFKS]

some of you blokes would boo santa claus

Considering that football is a global game I think that Australian clubs signing 30 odd year old blokes from 2 nd tier Euro clubs is a ****ing disgrace

It is just a pointless waste of money

HAL should only be signing blokes over 30 who have a profile to put bums on seats.

Focus on blokes under 30 who can contribute on the pitch and represent good value like Broich Berisha Leaky G Song etc

Blokes are out there.
Go find them FFS

[hawk]

all these gen Y's rose glasses shit. larf

[StannyCFCJET]

Poljak Haliti Hoffman Jackson Leonardo Trifunovic Kitto Watson

There is easily well over 600k in wages there alone then you throw in these 2 as nd there's another 100 k plus

So it ain't like he has not had money to spend.He just signs players not up to it.

Now whilst you sit there watching us get towelled ,6-1 at home and wish to keep defending the bloke who refuses to do anything to significantly change the situation at the club does it occur to you that your inability to accept that Miller has signed players that are plain well just not good enough to turn our pliht around.and is in fact actually making us suffer more by not actually making significant improvements so we are better next year ???

Facts are this shit is on again next year as well as he has failed to start making the changes necessary to have us at the topend of the table any time soon

Like What actually is the plan??

The FFA don't seem to have one but he still has 2.25--2.6 million salary cap to spend on adequate players to be significantly more competitive in this league.

He is failing

hoffman has been decent good bye. kitto is starting to look dangerous in patches just needs support but will agree the rest have been crap. How on earth a striker that doesnt move have 6 goals >.<

[halo se7en]

Poljak Haliti Hoffman Jackson Leonardo Trifunovic Kitto Watson

There is easily well over 600k in wages there alone then you throw in these 2 as nd there's another 100 k plus

So it ain't like he has not had money to spend.He just signs players not up to it.

Now whilst you sit there watching us get towelled ,6-1 at home and wish to keep defending the bloke who refuses to do anything to significantly change the situation at the club does it occur to you that your inability to accept that Miller has signed players that are plain well just not good enough to turn our pliht around.and is in fact actually making us suffer more by not actually making significant improvements so we are better next year ???

Facts are this shit is on again next year as well as he has failed to start making the changes necessary to have us at the topend of the table any time soon

Like What actually is the plan??

The FFA don't seem to have one but he still has 2.25--2.6 million salary cap to spend on adequate players to be significantly more competitive in this league.

He is failing

Rather than focus on me, how about answering the question about which players we should have signed instead. How can you not see that his job of signing quality players here in Newcastle, would be like pushing shit up hill. At no point have I ever said he's done a perfect job, or even a great job of who he signed. But I can face the facts - we're going to have to perform a few miracles with mediocre players before the better ones starting glancing our way.

Miller also didn't have the luxury of having a full squad to cast his eye over and pick and choose who to keep and who to release. The pressure was on to get a squad together, at a club that is notoriously run like a basket case and is lucky to reach 7th. Not to mention his reputation here in Oz is 0 so if you honestly think we're just going to beat other clubs to the better players signatures, you're more ****ing deluded than anyone.

[halo se7en]

Considering that football is a global game I think that Australian clubs signing 30 odd year old blokes from 2 nd tier Euro clubs is a ****ing disgrace

It is just a pointless waste of money

HAL should only be signing blokes over 30 who have a profile to put bums on seats.

Focus on blokes under 30 who can contribute on the pitch and represent good value like Broich Berisha Leaky G Song etc

Blokes are out there.
Go find them FFS

I actually can't see one single issue with this signing. If clubs only signed 'sure things' football would disappear.

He's coming into a team that's absolutely desperate for something different, because what we have now is stale, and he's on a short term contract. If he's useless, he's gone in March anyway and we're no worse off. If he's good enough, we may just have a reliable attacker already signed for next season and it's one less to worry about in the off-season.

[turbojetfireV8]

We've had trouble signing decent players since the Remo Nogorotto days - bring Remo back... ;)

[stopper2]

We've had trouble signing decent players since the Remo Nogorotto days - bring Remo back... ;)

I think we took Remo for granted when he was the Football Manager (i think that was his role) under Con. Not 100% sure but I think he would have had a lot to do with signing likes of North, Carle, Zelic,Okon, Covic, Griffo and Grifflet etc. which is why we were in the top four sides the first 3 years of the A League.

[GazFish35]

A goal every second game is a pretty good strike rate.

Secret will be to not play him every second game and he'll score everytime.



Love the experts on here slating him before a ball is kicked. But offer no names of better players likely to be able to be lured to newy given our "no owner" and 2nd last in the league situation.

[Premy]

A goal every second game is a pretty good strike rate.

Secret will be to not play him every second game and he'll score everytime.



Love the experts on here slating him before a ball is kicked. But offer no names of better players likely to be able to be lured to newy given our "no owner" and 2nd last in the league situation.

Porta.

[WolfMan]

Whoever thinks the club has more than circa 350k left in the cap, not including whatever the Dane has signed on for, needs to check their maths

[Hunter403]

Why don't we all take a chill pill and just wait and see how this bloke plays before condemning him. Fact his that he is now signed. Let's hope it turns out well. If, after a fair chance, he turns out to be crap, then get your knives out.

[Wilso8948]

I actually can't see one single issue with this signing. If clubs only signed 'sure things' football would disappear.

He's coming into a team that's absolutely desperate for something different, because what we have now is stale, and he's on a short term contract. If he's useless, he's gone in March anyway and we're no worse off. If he's good enough, we may just have a reliable attacker already signed for next season and it's one less to worry about in the off-season.

This is a good post.

[Wilso8948]

Article in the world game again links carney with player swap move to sydney. Arnold needs Aussies as they have too many overseas players for the upcoming ACL. We could only look at Aussies. Looking at their squad realistically would be interested in Naumoff, O'neill and Calver. Can't see Blackwood being offloaded and Gersbach looks set for overseas.

[Jeterpool]

Article in the world game again links carney with player swap move to sydney. Arnold needs Aussies as they have too many overseas players for the upcoming ACL. We could only look at Aussies. Looking at their squad realistically would be interested in Naumoff, O'neill and Calver. Can't see Blackwood being offloaded and Gersbach looks set for overseas.

If Sydney are short of Aussies, I don't think we will receive a first team player to replace Carney. We will get a squaddie or a "kid with potential" because they won't want to damage their squad depth. Naumoff & O'Neill are fringe first teamers. Calver hasn't been around the first team this year so he is likely.

Plus it should be relatively easy to turn Carney into Carney on the back of shirts.

[StannyCFCJET]

If Sydney are short of Aussies, I don't think we will receive a first team player to replace Carney. We will get a squaddie or a "kid with potential" because they won't want to damage their squad depth. Naumoff & O'Neill are fringe first teamers. Calver hasn't been around the first team this year so he is likely.

Plus it should be relatively easy to turn Carney into Carney on the back of shirts.

carney into carney lol did you mean calver? and can calver play LB cause we need one ASAP

[Jeterpool]

carney into carney lol did you mean calver? and can calver play LB cause we need one ASAP

My bad. yes. Ha ha

I think he is a LB, yes.

[StannyCFCJET]

My bad. yes. Ha ha

I think he is a LB, yes.

awesome but another young bloke with potential more rebuilding SIGH also for a second i imagined a left flank with carney at LB and a carney at LW (teams would have a field day Shudder).

[StannyCFCJET]

Id take rhyan grant grant for carney or any of the Serbians. id even give them watson for free cause we are such a generous club and he would suit Arney's boring style of play as he is a boring player :rof:

[Hunter403]

id even give them watson for free cause we are such a generous club and he would suit Arney's boring style of play as he is a boring player :rof:

You are guilty of exaggeration. Watson is way below boring.

[StannyCFCJET]

You are guilty of exaggeration. Watson is way below boring.

how would you describe him remember Im trying to sell him to Arnold

[Wilso8948]

Calver was showing a fair bit of promise at LB last year until some breakout performances from Gersbach left him below in the pecking order. I'd rate him in the same league as Cowburn/Jackson with qualities of both. Would get plenty of starting runs with us and possibly a left footer? I agree the others are fringe first graders and the article hinted no one wanted to leave although they might be forced to. Been impressed with O'neill when he's played.

[Wilso8948]

Id take rhyan grant grant for carney or any of the Serbians. id even give them watson for free cause we are such a generous club and he would suit Arney's boring style of play as he is a boring player :rof:

Pretty sure we have our limit of Overseas players so any player swap could only be with locals.

[Hunter403]

how would you describe him remember Im trying to sell him to Arnold

For sale. Slightly used traffic cone. Ideal for defence drills where demonstration of what NOT to do is required. Guaranteed not to tackle and damage a valuable attacker but will move in ever decreasing circles as confusion grows. Injury free and holds an Aussie passport. Will swap for a used waterbottle or Brosque's sweaty sock.

[MFKS]

I actually can't see one single issue with this signing. If clubs only signed 'sure things' football would disappear.

He's coming into a team that's absolutely desperate for something different, because what we have now is stale, and he's on a short term contract. If he's useless, he's gone in March anyway and we're no worse off. If he's good enough, we may just have a reliable attacker already signed for next season and it's one less to worry about in the off-season.

Its not about signing sure things.

It is about the unwavering belief that Miller should have in a player when he signs someone to the club that they are what he wants to be working with to turn this club around on the park.

This is a $1 each way gamble.

There is nothing in it that says Millertime is 100% wanting this bloke at the club as a key component of stopping the rot on the pitch.

FFS We have a squad full of blokes he doesn't believe in.

Why sign anyone that he doesn't have 110% faith that he wants here??

Also anyone coming in right now should not be a bandaid solution for this season which is basically ****ed anyway. They should be a permanent part of his plans for next season and beyond.

[StannyCFCJET]

For sale. Slightly used traffic cone. Ideal for defence drills where demonstration of what NOT to do is required. Guaranteed not to tackle and damage a valuable attacker but will move in ever decreasing circles as confusion grows. Injury free and holds an Aussie passport. Will swap for a used waterbottle or Brosque's sweaty sock.

Brillant and on the subject of Watson did anyone else notice that when poijak or the CBs have the ball he tends to move or run right into them or circle them in their position instead of moving into space

[StannyCFCJET]

Its not about signing sure things.

It is about the unwavering belief that Miller should have in a player when he signs someone to the club that they are what he wants to be working with to turn this club around on the park.

This is a $1 each way gamble.

There is nothing in it that says Millertime is 100% wanting this bloke at the club as a key component of stopping the rot on the pitch.

FFS We have a squad full of blokes he doesn't believe in.

Why sign anyone that he doesn't have 110% faith that he wants here??

Also anyone coming in right now should not be a bandaid solution for this season which is basically ****ed anyway. They should be a permanent part of his plans for next season and beyond.

yer but he is on 6 months deal so he has to prove he is the goods right away and earn a longer stay instead of being on a long deal and not being pressured to perform

[Frodo]

Its not about signing sure things.

It is about the unwavering belief that Miller should have in a player when he signs someone to the club that they are what he wants to be working with to turn this club around on the park.

This is a $1 each way gamble.

There is nothing in it that says Millertime is 100% wanting this bloke at the club as a key component of stopping the rot on the pitch.

FFS We have a squad full of blokes he doesn't believe in.

Why sign anyone that he doesn't have 110% faith that he wants here??

Also anyone coming in right now should not be a bandaid solution for this season which is basically ****ed anyway. They should be a permanent part of his plans for next season and beyond.


Yet again you seem to be missing the point of what everyone is interested in.

In your infinite wisdom can you name someone, or at least give an example, who we can sign that matches your lofty criteria as a good player?

Has to be available for free?

Has to be on less money than what we have in the cap?

Has to be willing to move to Newcastle and play for our basketcase club?

Has to be better than who we have?

Fire away and see how quickly people poke holes in your post, just as you do with everyone elses.

[Bon]

Yet again you seem to be missing the point of what everyone is interested in.

In your infinite wisdom can you name someone, or at least give an example, who we can sign that matches your lofty criteria as a good player?

Has to be available for free?

Has to be on less money than what we have in the cap?

Has to be willing to move to Newcastle and play for our basketcase club?

Has to be better than who we have?

Fire away and see how quickly people poke holes in your post, just as you do with everyone elses.


http://dcl16.nl/dvd/screenshot/lordoftherings20022.jpg

[Tommyjet]

Yet again you seem to be missing the point of what everyone is interested in.

In your infinite wisdom can you name someone, or at least give an example, who we can sign that matches your lofty criteria as a good player?

Has to be available for free?

Has to be on less money than what we have in the cap?

Has to be willing to move to Newcastle and play for our basketcase club?

Has to be better than who we have?

Fire away and see how quickly people poke holes in your post, just as you do with everyone elses.

Don't forget that the member speaks for all of us jets fans.

[MFKS]

Yet again you seem to be missing the point of what everyone is interested in.

In your infinite wisdom can you name someone, or at least give an example, who we can sign that matches your lofty criteria as a good player?

Has to be available for free?

Has to be on less money than what we have in the cap?

Has to be willing to move to Newcastle and play for our basketcase club?

Has to be better than who we have?

Fire away and see how quickly people poke holes in your post, just as you do with everyone elses.

Joel Griffiths

Too easy

Now you have fun picking holes in that

[De-Champ]

Joel Griffiths

Too easy

Now you have fun picking holes in that

He does not want to play because of his injury

[Wilso8948]

Its not about signing sure things.

It is about the unwavering belief that Miller should have in a player when he signs someone to the club that they are what he wants to be working with to turn this club around on the park.

This is a $1 each way gamble.

There is nothing in it that says Millertime is 100% wanting this bloke at the club as a key component of stopping the rot on the pitch.

FFS We have a squad full of blokes he doesn't believe in.

Why sign anyone that he doesn't have 110% faith that he wants here??

Also anyone coming in right now should not be a bandaid solution for this season which is basically ****ed anyway. They should be a permanent part of his plans for next season and beyond.

You're right. He should have signed him on a 10 year contract.

[Frodo]

Joel Griffiths

Too easy

Now you have fun picking holes in that

Sorry, i meant football players not CEO candidates.

[baldrick]

In your infinite wisdom can you name someone, or at least give an example, who we can sign that matches your lofty criteria as a good player?

Has to be available for free?

Has to be on less money than what we have in the cap?

Has to be willing to move to Newcastle and play for our basketcase club?

Has to be better than who we have?

Fire away and see how quickly people poke holes in your post, just as you do with everyone elses.

I'm free.

Just sayin

[MFKS]

Sorry, i meant football players not CEO candidates.

In your infinite wisdom can you name someone, or at least give an example, who we can sign that matches your lofty criteria as a good player?

Has to be available for free?
Currently Uncontracted

Has to be on less money than what we have in the cap?
Currently has another job and wouldn't cost top $$

Has to be willing to move to Newcastle and play for our basketcase club?
Lives in the area and loves the club

Has to be better than who we have?
Definitely a step up from Milos and Carney


Last I looked he is a footballer and not a CEO

But then again Griff is that good he would do a better job at CEO than anyone we have ever had


I have given you an example yet you don't want to play now??

[halo se7en]

Last I looked he is a footballer and not a CEO

But then again Griff is that good he would do a better job at CEO than anyone we have ever had


I have given you an example yet you don't want to play now??

In other words you have no idea.

[halo se7en]

Its not about signing sure things.

It is about the unwavering belief that Miller should have in a player when he signs someone to the club that they are what he wants to be working with to turn this club around on the park.

This is a $1 each way gamble.

There is nothing in it that says Millertime is 100% wanting this bloke at the club as a key component of stopping the rot on the pitch.

FFS We have a squad full of blokes he doesn't believe in.

Why sign anyone that he doesn't have 110% faith that he wants here??

Also anyone coming in right now should not be a bandaid solution for this season which is basically ****ed anyway. They should be a permanent part of his plans for next season and beyond.

Do you ever read back what you write? Who says Miller doesn't have belief in this guy? If Miller doesn't believe in his players then the first step would be signing different players, which he's doing. He's also just signed an Olyroo - is that not a player with a view to the future? Isn't trailing another youngster a view to the future? I don't understand what you actually want, aside from something to whinge about.

And why is a bandaid solution a bad thing at this point? If we can finish this season with some level of respectability, the players won't be demoralized, and the club will have a marginally better chance of attracting marginally better players and we won't be left with another wooden spoon. Either you're a really angry person which you should probably do something about or your shtick is getting as stale as our club.

[MFKS]

Do you ever read back what you write? Who says Miller doesn't have belief in this guy? If Miller doesn't believe in his players then the first step would be signing different players, which he's doing. He's also just signed an Olyroo - is that not a player with a view to the future? Isn't trailing another youngster a view to the future? I don't understand what you actually want, aside from something to whinge about.

And why is a bandaid solution a bad thing at this point? If we can finish this season with some level of respectability, the players won't be demoralized, and the club will have a marginally better chance of attracting marginally better players and we won't be left with another wooden spoon. Either you're a really angry person which you should probably do something about or your shtick is getting as stale as our club.

If Miller believes in this Danish bloke and has done sufficient research he signs him for this year and next.
He actually backs his ability as a Football Manager (Which actually is his job by the way) and assesses that this bloke is good enough now and good enough for us next year and gives him a longer term deal

What he has done though is given the bloke a 3-4 month short term deal to come out here and basically trial for a gig next season.
Sure he may work out he may not work out.

That being said Miller has not put his balls on the line here making a decision right now. He has been here 6-7 months now. He should have a fair idea of where we are where we need to be and what we need.

When actually are the decisions gonna come from him where he puts his balls on the line moulds the squad as he sees fit and lives or dies by the consequences??

Because I ain't seeing it just more cowardly bandaid decisions

[StannyCFCJET]

In other words you have no idea.

He said Griff which is the best and most sensible idea i have seen. We sign Griff he escapes punishment for attacking a linesmen in the family jewels and we win the league simple. In conclusion SIGN GRIFF FOR 100+ YEARS as captain/coach/ceo/owner :yay::yay::yay:

[plague]

Joel Griffiths

Too easy

Now you have fun picking holes in that

The Member just out here whacking the checkmate on every sucka who fronts him.

Top form sir.

[Frodo]

If Miller believes in this Danish bloke and has done sufficient research he signs him for this year and next.
He actually backs his ability as a Football Manager (Which actually is his job by the way) and assesses that this bloke is good enough now and good enough for us next year and gives him a longer term deal


A coaches decision on players is only as good as the information he is given. Do you think we have sent someone to go watch him play a few times this year? Your statement is correct, it is his job and he should be making decisions and sticking by them, but to keep the same line going.. The club doesn't have the money/personnel to go on scouting trips to Europe so he is gambling somewhat no matter how much video he has watched or agents reports he has read. Maybe he doesn't have enough info on him so he's said here's a short term contract to prove your worth.

Which could be good business if he doesn't adapt well. If is amazing and just leaves to go to Sydney i will apologize to you and concede you as supreme lord of the Forum.

[halo se7en]

If Miller believes in this Danish bloke and has done sufficient research he signs him for this year and next.
He actually backs his ability as a Football Manager (Which actually is his job by the way) and assesses that this bloke is good enough now and good enough for us next year and gives him a longer term deal

What he has done though is given the bloke a 3-4 month short term deal to come out here and basically trial for a gig next season.
Sure he may work out he may not work out.

That being said Miller has not put his balls on the line here making a decision right now. He has been here 6-7 months now. He should have a fair idea of where we are where we need to be and what we need.

When actually are the decisions gonna come from him where he puts his balls on the line moulds the squad as he sees fit and lives or dies by the consequences??

Because I ain't seeing it just more cowardly bandaid decisions

So first you criticize the signing in the first place, now you're criticizing the signing because it's not long enough? Wow.

[MFKS]

So first you criticize the signing in the first place, now you're criticizing the signing because it's not long enough? Wow.

I reckon it is a poor signing point blank from a lower level Euro League of a player past his best


I reckon Miller has no credibility when he makes signings and doesn't have the balls to back his signing long term but instead takes the $1 each way approach with a short term deal yet refuses to deal with the big problems within our squad that he still needs to be resolving.


Exactly which part of that you having trouble with understanding

[q-money]

what farken dream land do you live in where we can attract decent players?

[MFKS]

what farken dream land do you live in where we can attract decent players?

:rof::lulzturtle:

[plague]

what farken dream land do you live in where we can attract decent players?

Prob the planet 2008 where Remo was King and Griff was God.

Sign me up for a one way ticket there when it's my time for Martyrdom. Better than your 40 virgins etc etc.

[halo se7en]

I reckon it is a poor signing point blank from a lower level Euro League of a player past his best


I reckon Miller has no credibility when he makes signings and doesn't have the balls to back his signing long term but instead takes the $1 each way approach with a short term deal yet refuses to deal with the big problems within our squad that he still needs to be resolving.


Exactly which part of that you having trouble with understanding

The part where you were asked for suggestions and have still offered 0. The part where you were asked why we'd be an attractive option to players, and again you've offered 0.

And the part where you criticize this signing but claim Miller has no balls because he's doing it as a trial, which to most people seems to be a smart way of going about it. If he signed him for 18 months you would have ****ing slaughtered him.

How can he solve these big problems? By a 15 player cleanout in January? Lol Offer a solution for once instead of this monotonous illogical criticism time and time again.

[StannyCFCJET]

The part where you were asked for suggestions and have still offered 0. The part where you were asked why we'd be an attractive option to players, and again you've offered 0.

And the part where you criticize this signing but claim Miller has no balls because he's doing it as a trial, which to most people seems to be a smart way of going about it. If he signed him for 18 months you would have ****ing slaughtered him.

How can he solve these big problems? By a 15 player cleanout in January? Lol Offer a solution for once instead of this monotonous illogical criticism time and time again.

didnt he suggest Griff?

[halo se7en]

didnt he suggest Griff?

Don't distract him from actually providing a proper response.

[Tommyjet]

The part where you were asked for suggestions and have still offered 0. The part where you were asked why we'd be an attractive option to players, and again you've offered 0.

And the part where you criticize this signing but claim Miller has no balls because he's doing it as a trial, which to most people seems to be a smart way of going about it. If he signed him for 18 months you would have ****ing slaughtered him.

How can he solve these big problems? By a 15 player cleanout in January? Lol Offer a solution for once instead of this monotonous illogical criticism time and time again.

I hope your not expecting a constructive response. The easy way out is negativity and some people are too weak to look for any positivity. Do what I do and ignore the comments made by certain members of this forum or otherwise there is no point being on here. Has worked wonders for my forum experience.

[turbojetfireV8]

think the Dane has good enough pedigree to do well in the A League, my concern is apart from signing Steve O as a potential replacement we still have the worst midfielders in the league in Watson and Poljak who rarely pressure and can't make a pass to save their lives for vast periods of the match, are they gonna stay on the pitch or can we phuck the pair of them off and get at least one more decent replacement mid??

[halo se7en]

I hope your not expecting a constructive response. The easy way out is negativity and some people are too weak to look for any positivity. Do what I do and ignore the comments made by certain members of this forum or otherwise there is no point being on here. Has worked wonders for my forum experience.

For the most part I do, but every now and then I bite.

[turbojetfireV8]

PS: Griff will be too busy as head of the new Australian republic to play for us BTW when the revolution comes, need to look at alternative options... ;)

[tomo]

If Miller believes in this Danish bloke and has done sufficient research he signs him for this year and next.
He actually backs his ability as a Football Manager (Which actually is his job by the way) and assesses that this bloke is good enough now and good enough for us next year and gives him a longer term deal

What he has done though is given the bloke a 3-4 month short term deal to come out here and basically trial for a gig next season.
Sure he may work out he may not work out.

That being said Miller has not put his balls on the line here making a decision right now. He has been here 6-7 months now. He should have a fair idea of where we are where we need to be and what we need.

When actually are the decisions gonna come from him where he puts his balls on the line moulds the squad as he sees fit and lives or dies by the consequences??

Because I ain't seeing it just more cowardly bandaid decisions

How do you know it wasnt the player who requested a short term deal to see if he can settle in over here before committing to a longer stay?

How do you know that miller hasnt already got a list of dead wood he's going to cull at seasons end? And a list of recruits for next season?

You have to remember, he came in here needing about 10 players, with fvck all money left in the salary cap, no cap concessions, no marquee money available, and not many decent free agents left. He has assembled a squad that he could afford. Maybe at seasons end when he culls some people that are not earning the coin theyre on (watson), and maybe an owner willing to throw some money around... Maybe then we'll see some better players and some more attractive football

No wonder the clubs a "basketcase" when half of the fans are too!

[rhysd]

How do you know it wasnt the player who requested a short term deal to see if he can settle in over here before committing to a longer stay?

How do you know that miller hasnt already got a list of dead wood he's going to cull at seasons end? And a list of recruits for next season?

You have to remember, he came in here needing about 10 players, with fvck all money left in the salary cap, no cap concessions, no marquee money available, and not many decent free agents left. He has assembled a squad that he could afford. Maybe at seasons end when he culls some people that are not earning the coin theyre on (watson), and maybe an owner willing to throw some money around... Maybe then we'll see some better players and some more attractive football

No wonder the clubs a "basketcase" when half of the fans are too!

Bravo

[MFKS]

Don't distract him from actually providing a proper response.

I gave you a suggestion.

You have failed to address it.

Why ???

Joel Michael Griffiths.

Still waiting on your response.

[MFKS]

How do you know it wasnt the player who requested a short term deal to see if he can settle in over here before committing to a longer stay?

How do you know that miller hasnt already got a list of dead wood he's going to cull at seasons end? And a list of recruits for next season?

You have to remember, he came in here needing about 10 players, with fvck all money left in the salary cap, no cap concessions, no marquee money available, and not many decent free agents left. He has assembled a squad that he could afford. Maybe at seasons end when he culls some people that are not earning the coin theyre on (watson), and maybe an owner willing to throw some money around... Maybe then we'll see some better players and some more attractive football

No wonder the clubs a "basketcase" when half of the fans are too!

What makes you think he has a plan for seasons end??

Why exactly is he waiting to start unveiling this masterplan??

What makes you think when his best signing is Hoffman he has the ability to find the right players when he has failed with Milos Leonardo and where he has spent his money he had??

Also Watson is his signing so stop trying to Palm that off when he is responsible for signing him and picking him


Maybe if a few more fans actually were prepared to hold these running out club to account from time to time we wouldn't be in this big of a mess.

[Jetmaster]

I gave you a suggestion.

You have failed to address it.

Why ???

Joel Michael Griffiths.

Still waiting on your response.

Griff said he will probably not play A-League again only last week. A 35 year old crock deserves a contract over a 32 year old with no injury concerns?

Please, a bit of levity here.

[lquiquer]

Griff said he will probably not play A-League again only last week. A 35 year old crock deserves a contract over a 32 year old with no injury concerns?

Please, a bit of levity here.

still prob better on one leg than the donkeys we got.....

[borat]

I quoted you on this on the pod recording last night. Sorry that I couldn't remember who said it to give you a shout out at the time. So sorry and thanks! :/

No worries at all.

Had a listen today to the Jetstream and have done so for the last few weeks. Very entertaining, quite enjoy the weekly discussion.

Based on the dribble I have read in the last few pages the podcast is almost reaching enlightened levels of knowledgeable discussion

[Jeterpool]

No worries at all.

Had a listen today to the Jetstream and have done so for the last few weeks. Very entertaining, quite enjoy the weekly discussion.

Based on the dribble I have read in the last few pages the podcast is almost reaching enlightened levels of knowledgeable discussion

:brrr:

Glad you're enjoying it

[leftrightout]

Castelen in bench for Wanderers. Has happened a few times this season. Would kill to have a player like that here!

[furns]

Just to add a bit of perspective that seems to be sorely lacking in some:
There are top flight clubs in Europe who have scouting networks, direct contracts with OPTA and other stat companies, managers with decades of contacts with clubs and personnel in football. And their success rates aren't that high either.
What makes everyone think that a rookie coach and a part time CEO at a club without an owner in a salary capped league can accomplish transfer miracles? You hedge your bets, try to make the best decision on all the available information and hope that it works out.

[plague]

What makes everyone think that a rookie coach and a part time CEO at a club without an owner in a salary capped league can accomplish transfer miracles?

Maybe coz he seems pretty adamant and comfortable telling everyone how garbage the current players are.

Just figured he would then be cool cool with exactly what/who he wants

[halo se7en]

I gave you a suggestion.

You have failed to address it.

Why ???

Joel Michael Griffiths.

Still waiting on your response.

He'll be 37 when the next season starts. If you honestly think you need any more reasoning than that as to why we should look elsewhere, you're just embarrassing yourself.

[halo se7en]

What makes you think he has a plan for seasons end??

Why exactly is he waiting to start unveiling this masterplan??

What makes you think when his best signing is Hoffman he has the ability to find the right players when he has failed with Milos Leonardo and where he has spent his money he had??

Also Watson is his signing so stop trying to Palm that off when he is responsible for signing him and picking him


Maybe if a few more fans actually were prepared to hold these running out club to account from time to time we wouldn't be in this big of a mess.

What sweeping changes can he make right now? It's like you've never followed football before. You complain about Watson, Trif & Leo, yet it seems the two new signings just happen to address both Watsons position and Trif and/or Leo's position. We can't offload shit players unless someone else wants them, so if no one wants them, which is highly ****ing probable, we might as well keep them until seasons end for numbers if nothing else.

[borat]

Of all things to criticise Miller for, his recruitment skills is not one of them. People have pretty short memories of some of the dross this club has recruited over the years, particularly the foreign contingent.

Trifunovic and Leonardo are really not nearly as poor as being made out to be. Infact without describing them as world beaters they are reasonable quality compared to what we usually sign. If Trifunovic can hit 10+ goals would just about make him one of our highest goal scorers ever behind Griff and Tags. Leonardo I beleive is a quality player, with his limitations. Has been crocked for sure but it's a gamble we were prepared to take.

On Morts, was the leading scorer in the Danish top flight twice. That's a decent pedigree. Yes he was playing 2nd tier recently.....might be an indication he no longer has it or may have been signed by an ambitious club. Who knows, but a 10 game stint will tell. When we are on the verge of acquiring a new owner why would we ever tie up a foreign spot for longer than we need to.

Millers naivity with tactics, his rigid formations and a lack of midfield quality in the squad are all things to criticise about.

For mind jury is still out on Miller. He took on a very tough gig, has made a fist of it, but the end of the season will tell me where he is at.

[plague]

What sweeping changes can he make right now? .

I mean, full strength piss is a no brainer.

[q-money]

Of all things to criticise Miller for, his recruitment skills is not one of them. People have pretty short memories of some of the dross this club has recruited over the years, particularly the foreign contingent.

Trifunovic and Leonardo are really not nearly as poor as being made out to be. Infact without describing them as world beaters they are reasonable quality compared to what we usually sign. If Trifunovic can hit 10+ goals would just about make him one of our highest goal scorers ever behind Griff and Tags. Leonardo I beleive is a quality player, with his limitations. Has been crocked for sure but it's a gamble we were prepared to take.

On Morts, was the leading scorer in the Danish top flight twice. That's a decent pedigree. Yes he was playing 2nd tier recently.....might be an indication he no longer has it or may have been signed by an ambitious club. Who knows, but a 10 game stint will tell. When we are on the verge of acquiring a new owner why would we ever tie up a foreign spot for longer than we need to.

Millers naivity with tactics, his rigid formations and a lack of midfield quality in the squad are all things to criticise about.

For mind jury is still out on Miller. He took on a very tough gig, has made a fist of it, but the end of the season will tell me where he is at.
bang on big marn, good too see you back on the fozzle tbh.

the triffo-mortis connection will be the hook up of the a-league season imo

[tomo]

bang on big marn, good too see you back on the fozzle tbh.

the triffo-mortis connection will be the hook up of the a-league season imo

IMO Trifunovic will get better because of the Morten signing. There'll be less pressure on him now, and he'll finally have a recognised striker partnering him up front..... If we keep playing 4-4-2 and not revert back to a sole striker...

[Tommyjet]

Just to add a bit of perspective that seems to be sorely lacking in some:
There are top flight clubs in Europe who have scouting networks, direct contracts with OPTA and other stat companies, managers with decades of contacts with clubs and personnel in football. And their success rates aren't that high either.
What makes everyone think that a rookie coach and a part time CEO at a club without an owner in a salary capped league can accomplish transfer miracles? You hedge your bets, try to make the best decision on all the available information and hope that it works out.
That is too sensible and realistic for a select few forumers to understand.

[WolfMan]

Millers naivity with tactics, his rigid formations and a lack of midfield quality in the squad are all things to criticise about.



Once again, thanks for listening to the podcast :-)

Spot. On.

[GazFish35]

I think I'm looking forward to Members impending trip to Thailand more than he is

[MFKS]

Just to add a bit of perspective that seems to be sorely lacking in some:
There are top flight clubs in Europe who have scouting networks, direct contracts with OPTA and other stat companies, managers with decades of contacts with clubs and personnel in football. And their success rates aren't that high either.
What makes everyone think that a rookie coach and a part time CEO at a club without an owner in a salary capped league can accomplish transfer miracles? You hedge your bets, try to make the best decision on all the available information and hope that it works out.

That's actually a bit of a cop out Furns

No one is actually asking for transfer miracles. Reality is Miller has accomplished sweet **** all in his transfer dealings and blaming the club being a basketcase does not negate that he still has made many wrong decisions with his signings so far



Clubs in Europe spend millions of pounds/euros on transfer fees we don't. As a result their is a huge level of pressure on getting it right

Our club when scouring Europe for players only responsibilities are to

FIND BETTER PLAYERS THAN WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY
FIND PLAYERS THAT FIT INTO OUR WAGE STRUCTURE
FIND PLAYERS WHO HAVE THE RIGHT LEVEL OF SOCIAL SKILLS THEY WILL SETTLE INTO AUSSIE LIFE
FIND PLAYERS THAT WILL FIT INTO THE TEAMS STYLE OF PLAY

Same same for everyone else in the HAL

I ain' seeing the rest of the clubs having huge scouting networks to tap into bar Melburn Heart with their Man City links and even then how much support Heart get their is iffy as Man City ain't gonna be scouting players of the level Heart require.



We in this country have very little pressure and a pretty easy task.

Every other club can seem to find decent players for this league that don't require a huge scouting network and be done with minimal expense

Broich Berisha Bonavecia Keogh Carrusco just a few to name

[MFKS]

What sweeping changes can he make right now? It's like you've never followed football before. You complain about Watson, Trif & Leo, yet it seems the two new signings just happen to address both Watsons position and Trif and/or Leo's position. We can't offload shit players unless someone else wants them, so if no one wants them, which is highly ****ing probable, we might as well keep them until seasons end for numbers if nothing else.

The two signings address Watson Leo and Trifs positions you say.

The two signings are actually attempting to address Millers failings in signing all 3 of them in the first place.

Sweeping changes. Should have been started in pre season when he assessed his squad. People should have been moved out there and then so he could bring in players he wants.

Carney LeakyG Alivodic Boogaard Birraz Mullen all have value to other HAL sides/ Foreign Clubs. They were not his signings and he chose to persist with them into this season keeping the noose around the club Muppet put on by signing players for too much coin.

Getting rid of a few of them would have left him with a much larger pot of money to spend on building his side.
He did nothing.

Then he proceeded to waste away what money he had by getting his signings of note like Leonardo/Milos wrong.


As for off loading players someone at our club managed to rid us once of an under contract Sam Gallaway. Anything is possible

[lquiquer]

That's actually a bit of a cop out Furns

No one is actually asking for transfer miracles. Reality is Miller has accomplished sweet **** all in his transfer dealings and blaming the club being a basketcase does not negate that he still has made many wrong decisions with his signings so far



Clubs in Europe spend millions of pounds/euros on transfer fees we don't. As a result their is a huge level of pressure on getting it right

Our club when scouring Europe for players only responsibilities are to

FIND BETTER PLAYERS THAN WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY
FIND PLAYERS THAT FIT INTO OUR WAGE STRUCTURE
FIND PLAYERS WHO HAVE THE RIGHT LEVEL OF SOCIAL SKILLS THEY WILL SETTLE INTO AUSSIE LIFE
FIND PLAYERS THAT WILL FIT INTO THE TEAMS STYLE OF PLAY

Same same for everyone else in the HAL

I ain' seeing the rest of the clubs having huge scouting networks to tap into bar Melburn Heart with their Man City links and even then how much support Heart get their is iffy as Man City ain't gonna be scouting players of the level Heart require.



We in this country have very little pressure and a pretty easy task.

Every other club can seem to find decent players for this league that don't require a huge scouting network and be done with minimal expense

Broich Berisha Bonavecia Keogh Carrusco just a few to name

Fornaroli, benkalfhala, Novillo, delpierre, fatty, Tavares, Ninkovic, holosko + few of the Spanish Armada at WSW and Adelaide...... To name few more....... Us triffo and Leo FFS...!!!!!

[belchardo]

So anyway, when does this guy arrive?

[lquiquer]

So anyway, when does this guy arrive?

Been here for a couple of days. Waiting for international clearance.

[Couscous]

I return from a pilgrimage out bush and discover that my beloved Jets have signed the greatest ever Danish striker. Amazing.

I will support Newy this round.


Peter turns on the light and starts laughing hysterically, Morten you ****wit, you're sitting on a mop bucket"

I enjoyed this joke.

[GazFish35]

Sweeping changes. Should have been started in pre season when he assessed his squad. People should have been moved out there and then so he could bring in players he wants.

Carney LeakyG Alivodic Boogaard Birraz Mullen all have value to other HAL sides/ Foreign Clubs. They were not his signings and he chose to persist with them into this season keeping the noose around the club Muppet put on by signing players for too much coin.

Getting rid of a few of them would have left him with a much larger pot of money to spend on building his side.
He did nothing.

Then he proceeded to waste away what money he had by getting his signings of note like Leonardo/Milos wrong.


As for off loading players someone at our club managed to rid us once of an under contract Sam Gallaway. Anything is possible


Then you'd be complaining he got rid of the only experience we had.

Shifting older players, on good coin isn't as easy as shifting a young bloke near the minimum wage.

Did miller stop in Thailand on his way over here and shag your missus? I really think you need to pull your head from your arse as I fear you're starting to believe your own bullshit.

You can polish a turd, but it's still a turd, and miller got handed a steaming pile of shit.... And no polish.

He's signed guys on short contracts with a-league experience to fill the gaps in the squad he was given. Poljak Watson etc etc.... How many better players would accept short deals? Good players know they can demand more job security elsewhere.

Labs got a season ending injury early on and His number 10 got taken out by a **** of a tackle in a derby. The highest paid red head in the league is on too much coin to have his contract paid out and too shit/lazy to be taken by someone else as there's no way he'd agreed to terms for less than he's currently earning.

You appear to think its like playing Football manager and moving large amounts of deadwood out is easy.

If you'd accept even a small dose of reality in your rants against the bloke's recruitment you might make a little sense.

[GazFish35]

I return from a pilgrimage out bush and discover that my beloved Jets have signed the greatest ever Danish striker. Amazing.

I will support Newy this round.



I enjoyed this joke.

Thank you.

[borat]

Interesting reading Scott Miller playing hardball with Arnie over Carney in the paper today.

It's a rare occasion when we have SFC by the balls. Arnie's attack is pedestrian at best and will be lucky to score a goal in the ACL. Arnie knows it and is desperate to get Dave for an X Factor. That puts us in the perfect position to prise away a youngster that SFC do not necessarily want to give up.

Naumoff makes sense in that he can play in Dave's position or swap with Enver. Or may play off the bench with Leonardo to the starting team.

The big question is who else do we snatch off them. Obviously we have tried for Hoole and I wouldn't give up on him just yet. His manager said his goal is a go to Europe in 12 months and a starting position will be the way he gets there. Could be persuaded if Arnie told him his opportunities would dry up once Dave arrived.

Brandon O'Niell is another I would enquire about. Our central midfield is bog average and O'Niell could walk into our team at present.

Although unlikely, Ryan Grant is another who would be handy. Would start for us at LB or put pressure on a DM position.

And lastly, why not the return of Ali Abbas. Crowd favourite here, could walk into LB and add some attacking edge.

[Jetmaster]

The two signings address Watson Leo and Trifs positions you say.

The two signings are actually attempting to address Millers failings in signing all 3 of them in the first place.

Sweeping changes. Should have been started in pre season when he assessed his squad. People should have been moved out there and then so he could bring in players he wants.

Carney LeakyG Alivodic Boogaard Birraz Mullen all have value to other HAL sides/ Foreign Clubs. They were not his signings and he chose to persist with them into this season keeping the noose around the club Muppet put on by signing players for too much coin.

Getting rid of a few of them would have left him with a much larger pot of money to spend on building his side.
He did nothing.

Then he proceeded to waste away what money he had by getting his signings of note like Leonardo/Milos wrong.


As for off loading players someone at our club managed to rid us once of an under contract Sam Gallaway. Anything is possible

Go back to the actual changeover. We had 13 players on contract who were moved across without being paid or getting super for some weeks. Ethically, do you really think we should/could have offloaded anyone?

Miller came in and only had a guaranteed job for 3 months don't forget....it was the reason Rudes said no with a new owner sounding certain back then.

Wholesale changes when debts were being cleared and wages being fixed up would have been ridiculously complicated and the PFA may have caused a stink too.

We had no club just before the season started and we are where most sensible people thought we would be.

[q-money]

abbas would be ripping

[GazFish35]

Go back to the actual changeover. We had 13 players on contract who were moved across without being paid or getting super for some weeks. Ethically, do you really think we should/could have offloaded anyone?

Miller came in and only had a guaranteed job for 3 months don't forget....it was the reason Rudes said no with a new owner sounding certain back then.

Wholesale changes when debts were being cleared and wages being fixed up would have been ridiculously complicated and the PFA may have caused a stink too.

We had no club just before the season started and we are where most sensible people thought we would be.

The CBA dictates that a new entity taking ownership (in our case the FFA) must offer like for like contracts to players currently contracted to the old entity.... So all the players not yet sacked stubbins and tinkler (like reefs) were required to be offered contracts exactly the same as they had.

They couldn't be cut loose unless paid out, or another club wanted them and a mutual termination could be agreed on... Like Neville going to WSW.

[Mark325]

Interesting reading Scott Miller playing hardball with Arnie over Carney in the paper today.

It's a rare occasion when we have SFC by the balls. Arnie's attack is pedestrian at best and will be lucky to score a goal in the ACL. Arnie knows it and is desperate to get Dave for an X Factor. That puts us in the perfect position to prise away a youngster that SFC do not necessarily want to give up.

Naumoff makes sense in that he can play in Dave's position or swap with Enver. Or may play off the bench with Leonardo to the starting team.

The big question is who else do we snatch off them. Obviously we have tried for Hoole and I wouldn't give up on him just yet. His manager said his goal is a go to Europe in 12 months and a starting position will be the way he gets there. Could be persuaded if Arnie told him his opportunities would dry up once Dave arrived.

Brandon O'Niell is another I would enquire about. Our central midfield is bog average and O'Niell could walk into our team at present.

Although unlikely, Ryan Grant is another who would be handy. Would start for us at LB or put pressure on a DM position.

And lastly, why not the return of Ali Abbas. Crowd favourite here, could walk into LB and add some attacking edge.

Realistically we'd need one of Naumoff or Hoole to provide a literal swap for Carney.

I'd say we're best focusing on a defender above all else, as we essentially have 4 guys in the back at this point and when one gets injured or red carded someone is forced to play out of position. Our midfield is probably our weakest point, but we have more viable options in that position then we do in defence.

In a perfect world we pull Gersbach, but that's a pipe dream. Ryan Grant would be useful as LB is our worst position right now, so to me a swap for Hoole and Grant would be worth it

[rhysd]

Would accept naumoff or oneill - can only see us getting one of their talented youngster brigade. Plus wouldn't mind Abbas.

[Jetmaster]

Personally, I think we should just keep Carney now till the end of his contract. As Miller said we don't have to do anything to help SFC and Carney is under contract.
He can go cry in the corner again if necessary.

[GazFish35]

Carney omitted from Adelaide encounter

Newcastle Jets confirm that David Carney has been omitted from the club’s Hyundai A-League round 17 squad for tomorrow’s match against Adelaide United at Coopers Stadium.

Unfortunately recent events have led the club to determine that at this point in time Carney is not 100 per cent committed to representing Newcastle Jets.

[borat]

Not likely now. Carney has been omitted from Adelaide game squad as he is "not committed". Obviously pushing hard to force our hand.

[WolfMan]

Teach him a lesson. Hang on to him as others have said. Not like we can get a transfer fee from an Austtalian club.

Hopefully it's a Middle Eastern move he's after and we get paid

[Jetmaster]

Did not know this before my previous post. Even more I think Carney is about Carney and his agent has been playing media games to pressure the Jets.
Stuff him...train in the corner if you are not 100% committed.
Deep down I know Sydney will get their way but geez I hope they don't.

[sorefootballer]

If we get a good deal out of it, Money or decent players then screw off carney. If not sit on the sideline and get your manager to whinge

[sorefootballer]

Doesn't make sense but you guys know what I mean

[skullboy]

Not likely now. Carney has been omitted from Adelaide game squad as he is "not committed". Obviously pushing hard to force our hand.

FFS!! Miller is starting to stink of Stubbins. Unless there is a trade deal imminent there is no reason to leave your best player at home for an absolute must win game.

Absolutely brainless.

[Wilso8948]

FFS!! Miller is starting to stink of Stubbins. Unless there is a trade deal imminent there is no reason to leave your best player at home for an absolute must win game.

Absolutely brainless.

Best player or not if he won't be committed to the team will turn into a cancer in the sheds. 100% back miller in this one

[Wilso8948]

Ps I think any deal involving 2 out of naumoff oneill or calver would suit us best IMO

[lquiquer]

Nothing less than The Smeltz and Tavares

[Jetmaster]

Best player or not if he won't be committed to the team will turn into a cancer in the sheds. 100% back miller in this one

This....have to laugh at the Facebook fans who, like the Pearce defenders, just don't get it the true crux of the matter.

[Wilso8948]

Nothing less than The Smeltz and Tavares

Can't have overseas players. **** off we're full

[lquiquer]

Can't have overseas players. **** off we're full

**** Milos and Leo...sale them to malaysia

[The Dunster]

From absolutely woeful service to him Milos has still managed to score six goals from 15 matches. Well done to all the mongs wanting to get rid of him as his strike rate is a lot better than the majority of players in the A-League let alone at the Jets.

[lquiquer]

From absolutely woeful service to him Milos has still managed to score six goals from 15 matches. Well done to all the mongs wanting to get rid of him as his strike rate is a lot better than the majority of players in the A-League let alone at the Jets.

all headers (or penalties) because he's got nothing else......keep dreaming

[Wilso8948]

all headers (or penalties) because he's got nothing else......keep dreaming
I'm not saying he's a world beater but I'd take 5 headers a year over zero goals a year with feet.

[lquiquer]

I'm not saying he's a world beater but I'd take 5 headers a year over zero goals a year with feet.

U happy with mediocrity......Keep dreaming

[MFKS]

Well **** me Miller has finally made a positive ****ing decision.

About time he ****ed Carney off

Maybe we can have 10 blokes putting in this week in defence and not 9

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

FFS!! Miller is starting to stink of Stubbins. Unless there is a trade deal imminent there is no reason to leave your best player at home for an absolute must win game.

Absolutely brainless.

There is absolutely a reason if he is attempting to force a move (which he is) and has no desire to play for the Jets.A Miller and Stubbins comparison in this situation is more than unfair.

[lquiquer]

Carney wants out for whatever reason, maybe because full of himself (likely)...When his agent says the Jerks don't show the love it's ****ing bullshit......Have a good second half of a season, put it all there for jerks and a contract will come....either here or somewhere else, so **** him and his agent... ****ing play for the club you contracted for and shut the **** up.......

[Jetmaster]

Carney wants out for whatever reason, maybe because full of himself (likely)...When his agent says the Jerks don't show the love it's ****ing bullshit......Have a good second half of a season, put it all there for jerks and a contract will come....either here or somewhere else, so **** him and his agent... ****ing play for the club you contracted for and shut the **** up.......

Thank you....please post this on social media.

[lquiquer]

And if Carney wants FC....**** him and i'm with Miller on that one: No short change.....**** Hoole and Naumoff..........I'll say it again go for big names and **** some of our imports to allow it to happen....If does not happen send Carney to the sandpit, ****ing primadonna.....

[borat]

Rather ironic considering Carney pulled the same move last year. Got his agent to line up a deal with SFC in December/January then destabilised the team. Stubbins may have been a clueless fool but this is Groundhog Day for Carney

[Tommyjet]

Naumoff and Simon left out of Sydney's team from last week. I reckon it's coincidental but one could perceive there is more to it.

[foti68]

Naumoff and Abbas would do me

[tomo]

Go back to the actual changeover. We had 13 players on contract who were moved across without being paid or getting super for some weeks. Ethically, do you really think we should/could have offloaded anyone?

Miller came in and only had a guaranteed job for 3 months don't forget....it was the reason Rudes said no with a new owner sounding certain back then.

Wholesale changes when debts were being cleared and wages being fixed up would have been ridiculously complicated and the PFA may have caused a stink too.

We had no club just before the season started and we are where most sensible people thought we would be.

Here here

[Jetmaster]

Smurfs won't be able to dump Hoole quick enough the way he is playing tonight.

[lquiquer]

Naumoff and Abbas would do me

No way show more ambition..... **** them and Carney.... Go for gold or ... Nothing

[halo se7en]

all headers (or penalties) because he's got nothing else......keep dreaming

Yeah because headers & penalties aren't worth as many points as other goals.

[lquiquer]

Headers and penalties won't get us in top 6.... Band aid football if you ask me

[turbojetfireV8]

all well and good but if Morten doesn't get any service either Trif will remain the unchallenged leading scorer this season...:sigh:

[foti68]

Headers and penalties won't get us in top 6.... Band aid football if you ask me

We need at least 2 players to get into double figures to give us any chance to make the semi's

[Tommyjet]

We need at least 2 players to get into double figures to give us any chance to make the semi's

If Adelaide win tomorrow, any glimmer of hope of making semis is gone. Aim should be solely on finishing above the scum

[Jeterpool]

I've been thinking more about Dave Carney's situation. It's quite similar to the sackings that went on last year - the obvious difference being that Carney is still employed.

We are all assuming he won't play for us again. I don't think that can be implied from the Jets press release however. He might, but I highly doubt it.

Carney, rightfully, wants to secure a playing future for himself and he doesn't see that happening at the Jets. Miller wants players to be 100% committed to the club. But if the club can't, or won't, give carney commitment beyond this year, do you blame him for having his head turned? That screams of hypocrisy to me. Or perhaps they've told him he won't be needed and this is his chance to get a run in the ACL which he missed out on in S2. I've got no idea.

The jets have this time got on the front foot. They've played this scenario better and have the support of the majority of fans. Perhaps they've learnt from last year's fiasco. They've painted Carney as the bad guy for wanting to go to Sydney FC and in such abandoning the cause. Carney's management haven't helped that either - it played into the Jets hands.

There are only two outcomes here. A suitable trade is reached Or Carney goes back to his familiar corner from last year and does laps around Kasey Wehrman oval.

[Jeterpool]

If Adelaide win tomorrow, any glimmer of hope of making semis is gone. Aim should be solely on finishing above the scum

The way they carved up Wellington yesterday, and with us having to face them in Gosford twice more this season (a place we have only ever won once) I think we have a massive challenge on our hands. A more realistic option might end up be finishing ahead of the Nix

[Jeterpool]

We need at least 2 players to get into double figures to give us any chance to make the semi's

We've only ever had two players finish in double figures for a season. Both times they won the golden boot

[hawk]

The way they carved up Wellington yesterday, and with us having to face them in Gosford twice more this season (a place we have only ever won once) I think we have a massive challenge on our hands. A more realistic option might end up be finishing ahead of the Nix

that would require winning another game though

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

I've been thinking more about Dave Carney's situation. It's quite similar to the sackings that went on last year - the obvious difference being that Carney is still employed.

We are all assuming he won't play for us again. I don't think that can be implied from the Jets press release however. He might, but I highly doubt it.

Carney, rightfully, wants to secure a playing future for himself and he doesn't see that happening at the Jets. Miller wants players to be 100% committed to the club. But if the club can't, or won't, give carney commitment beyond this year, do you blame him for having his head turned? That screams of hypocrisy to me. Or perhaps they've told him he won't be needed and this is his chance to get a run in the ACL which he missed out on in S2. I've got no idea.

The jets have this time got on the front foot. They've played this scenario better and have the support of the majority of fans. Perhaps they've learnt from last year's fiasco. They've painted Carney as the bad guy for wanting to go to Sydney FC and in such abandoning the cause. Carney's management haven't helped that either - it played into the Jets hands.

There are only two outcomes here. A suitable trade is reached Or Carney goes back to his familiar corner from last year and does laps around Kasey Wehrman oval.

If it doesn't go through he wouldn't be the first player to miss out on a deal they wanted. I don't know that if he stays he would necessarily be banished. If he shows some degree of professionalism (I get the sense that its not one of his strong points in general however) I think Miller is enough of a pragmatists to know that he can benefit the team. His removal form the squad for today means that either the deal is done, or that we are trying to show Sydney that we wont be bossed around (which inveitably we will at the end of the day)

[stopper2]

I've been thinking more about Dave Carney's situation. It's quite similar to the sackings that went on last year - the obvious difference being that Carney is still employed.

We are all assuming he won't play for us again. I don't think that can be implied from the Jets press release however. He might, but I highly doubt it.

Carney, rightfully, wants to secure a playing future for himself and he doesn't see that happening at the Jets. Miller wants players to be 100% committed to the club. But if the club can't, or won't, give carney commitment beyond this year, do you blame him for having his head turned? That screams of hypocrisy to me. Or perhaps they've told him he won't be needed and this is his chance to get a run in the ACL which he missed out on in S2. I've got no idea.

The jets have this time got on the front foot. They've played this scenario better and have the support of the majority of fans. Perhaps they've learnt from last year's fiasco. They've painted Carney as the bad guy for wanting to go to Sydney FC and in such abandoning the cause. Carney's management haven't helped that either - it played into the Jets hands.

There are only two outcomes here. A suitable trade is reached Or Carney goes back to his familiar corner from last year and does laps around Kasey Wehrman oval.

You've summed up the situation spot on mate. I just feel that the whole situation could've been avoided if Carney, Miller, Eland and Carney's manager had got together and sorted out a solution behind closed doors....as most other professional clubs would have done. I can see both sides of the argument but the end result has been a lose-lose situation for both club and player.

[stopper2]

The way they carved up Wellington yesterday, and with us having to face them in Gosford twice more this season (a place we have only ever won once) I think we have a massive challenge on our hands. A more realistic option might end up be finishing ahead of the Nix

Said it weeks ago that we forget the six, we are in another battle to avoid the spoon. A few on here had already written off the Scum and were saying it was theirs. Only four points behind us now with 10 games to play and as you say Jeterpool...we still have to go down to Gosford twice.
We can only hope that Ugarkovic and Nordstrand can make a big impact!!!

[Jeterpool]

You've summed up the situation spot on mate. I just feel that the whole situation could've been avoided if Carney, Miller, Eland and Carney's manager had got together and sorted out a solution behind closed doors....as most other professional clubs would have done. I can see both sides of the argument but the end result has been a lose-lose situation for both club and player.

Thanks.

And playing devils advocate, perhaps they have tried to sort it out but it couldn't be resolved or the outcome was unsatisfactory to one of the parties...hence we are here.

I agree with you and can also see both sides of the argument. What has left me disappointed is that out club has been dragged through the mud again with another public falling out with a player.

A positive, however, is us giving the big f-u to Sydney and sticking to our guns by saying "you want our player, duly compensate us by giving us X & Y players otherwise no deal". Miller is right - we hold all the cards here

[halo se7en]

I've been thinking more about Dave Carney's situation. It's quite similar to the sackings that went on last year - the obvious difference being that Carney is still employed.

We are all assuming he won't play for us again. I don't think that can be implied from the Jets press release however. He might, but I highly doubt it.

Carney, rightfully, wants to secure a playing future for himself and he doesn't see that happening at the Jets. Miller wants players to be 100% committed to the club. But if the club can't, or won't, give carney commitment beyond this year, do you blame him for having his head turned? That screams of hypocrisy to me. Or perhaps they've told him he won't be needed and this is his chance to get a run in the ACL which he missed out on in S2. I've got no idea.

The jets have this time got on the front foot. They've played this scenario better and have the support of the majority of fans. Perhaps they've learnt from last year's fiasco. They've painted Carney as the bad guy for wanting to go to Sydney FC and in such abandoning the cause. Carney's management haven't helped that either - it played into the Jets hands.

There are only two outcomes here. A suitable trade is reached Or Carney goes back to his familiar corner from last year and does laps around Kasey Wehrman oval.

I agree with most of this, although I'm not seeing the hypocrisy. If the Jets aren't ready to commit to another deal, then Carney needs to keep working & playing and the contract will come, either here or elsewhere. I don't like comparing football to a normal workplace but if you're on a temporary contract, you don't stop working halfway through and demand a new one. If anything, you work harder to make sure it comes.

I think his agent has stirred the pot and possibly to his clients detriment as they probably thought they had the Jets over a barrel like previous players, but credit to Miller for staying tough (so far). I won't miss Carney next season, our future shouldn't be relying on him as the go to player anyway.

And let's face it, what has he actually done for us? He's scored a few, set up a few, but reality is we've won a spoon and look the goods for a second, he's hardly a matchwinner.

[plague]

Unfortunately recent events have led the club to determine that at this point in time Carney is not 100 per cent committed to representing Newcastle Jets.


Quick question was this quote direct from the club or a journo interprating it?

[Jeterpool]

Quick question was this quote direct from the club or a journo interprating it?

Club

[plague]

And let's face it, what has he actually done for us? He's scored a few, set up a few, but reality is we've won a spoon and look the goods for a second, he's hardly a matchwinner.

You could pretty much say this about any player or member of the coaching staff this year except they don't get the 'scored a few set up a few' bit.

Carney is the least of the Jets problems.

[Jetmaster]

At the moment he is a pretty big problem.

[plague]

Club

What a weak ass bunch of bitches that club is.

[Hunter403]

Don't worry about Carney. We will give him to Sydney in exchange for two under 12 players with injury concerns

[plague]

At the moment he is a pretty big problem.

Only serving mid strength piss is a bigger issue that Carney.

Club can't solve that one either.

[halo se7en]

You could pretty much say this about any player or member of the coaching staff this year except they don't get the 'scored a few set up a few' bit.

Carney is the least of the Jets problems.

Except they don't have agents stirring shit. Point was, losing Carney isn't going to send us plummeting down the table is it?

[Jetmaster]

Only serving mid strength piss is a bigger issue that Carney.

Club can't solve that one either.

So true....and so depressing that we cant turn to alcohol with what we watch each week.

[plague]

Except they don't have agents stirring shit. Point was, losing Carney isn't going to send us plummeting down the table is it?

Hey man we agree that Carney isn't the problem.

You say the agent, I say the club.

Hot chips/French fries etc etc

[plague]

So true....and so depressing that we cant turn to alcohol with what we watch each week.

You can with Foxtel and a freshly stocked fridge.

**** going to games.

[leftrightout]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/sydney-fc-youngster-alex-gersbach-set-to-sign-for-european-club/news-story/374960d8a2311265f104e0af21f4bd0e



WITH Alex Gersbach having played his last game for Sydney FC, Graham Arnold confirmed the swirling rumours linking David Carney with a return to the Sky Blues.

Gersbach was Sydney’s stand-out player in Saturday night’s miserable 3-1 defeat to Brisbane Roar, but the 18-year-old defender has signed for a European club, believed to be in Norway, for an undisclosed fee.

Losing Gersbach is a blow for Arnold as the young left-back has been a valuable player for the club all season, but Arnold knows Europe is a great opportunity for him.

“Alex is a very ambitious young man and I would like to thank him for his service to Sydney FC,” Arnold said. “It is always pleasing to be able to bring through a young player, develop him and see him get a great chance in Europe. We would have loved to have kept him for another year, but it’s a great opportunity for him and I wish him the very best for the future.”

Alex Gersbach.Alex Gersbach.Source: News Corp Australia
Carney, meanwhile, is expected to complete his move to the Sky Blues after Arnold admitted he is interested in signing the Newcastle Jets midfielder.

Carney was surprisingly omitted from Newcastle’s match against Adelaide, with the club issuing a statement saying the 32-year-old is “not 100 per cent committed to representing Newcastle Jets”.

“For me, he’s the best player at Newcastle,” Arnold said of Carney.

“He gives a lot of attacking variety and he can play in a number of positions. We’re interested in him, but still nothing is going on at the moment.

“I’ve had a chat to (Jets coach) Scotty Miller and we’ve been in touch with Newcastle, but we’re still waiting to hear.”

After playing 35 games for the Jets, Carney is off contract at the end of the season and is keen on a return to the club he played for nearly a decade ago. Sydney also need to add some depth ahead of their Asian Champions League campaign, which begins this month.

Alex Gersbach (L).Alex Gersbach (L).Source: News Corp Australia
There have been reports that Sydney might have to swap two players with Newcastle in return for Carney, but it won’t be easy to convince any of them to leave. Interestingly, though, both Chris Naumoff and Matt Simon were left out of Saturday’s match day squad.

“We haven’t gone that far yet,” Arnold yet. “If there is a player swap then the player has to want to go up to Newcastle - we can’t force them. We’ll see what happens.”

There’s no doubt Carney would add quality to Sydney’s attack, which is needed following a couple of disappointing performances. The match against Brisbane aside, Sydney have been solid at the back, but have struggled to convert their chances into goals.

Arnold admitted the team is badly missing its inspirational captain Alex Brosque, but he is unlikely to return for Friday’s trip to Adelaide.


People bagging Carney should know the player we might be getting in exchange!

[GazFish35]

Whoever we get is irrelevant to how bad carney is at tracking back.

If it's messi - carney was still lazy without the ball.
If it's Matt simon - carney was still lazy without the ball.

[Jetmaster]

Like how Arnie turns it all back on the Jets ("we're waiting to hear") - we can do sweet FA.

Will be an interesting 24 hours.

[Frodo]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/sydney-fc-youngster-alex-gersbach-set-to-sign-for-european-club/news-story/374960d8a2311265f104e0af21f4bd0e



People bagging Carney should know the player we might be getting in exchange!

Matt Simon may eat more D*&K than Clive Palmer eats Pies.. but he would give us the "ref harassing mongrel attitude" some people on these forums have been asking for lately?

Naumoff would be ok, i'd honestly rather one of their youth prospects than Simon.. i'd be very suprised if Simon agreed to coming here let alone us signing him so not going to give it much thought.

[leftrightout]

Whoever we get is irrelevant to how bad carney is at tracking back.

If it's messi - carney was still lazy without the ball.
If it's Matt simon - carney was still lazy without the ball.

Why do we want carney always "tracking back" why exhaust your main (and pretty much only) outlet to scoring goals constantly defending? Remember we are the jets, we defend a shit load

Carlos Hernandez, would you have liked him here at his peak in the A-league?

Defending is obviously important but you cannot win without scoring.

When a team goes forward they go forward with max 7 players, they will always leave 3 sitting deep. So every team attacks with 7 players. No Carney and Triff getting back means we have 8 defensive players. That should be enough to find our shape and defend.

I suppose id prefer to rely on the other 8 players back there being able to defend against the opposition 7 guys and look to actually score a goal or two.

We complain that they don't have a go and attack opponent, we sit back too much. But a guy who is all about attacking and scoring goals gets bagged out and everyone thinks we are better off without him.

[Frodo]

Why do we want carney always "tracking back" why exhaust your main (and pretty much only) outlet to scoring goals constantly defending? Remember we are the jets, we defend a shit load

Carlos Hernandez, would you have liked him here at his peak in the A-league?

Defending is obviously important but you cannot win without scoring.

When a team goes forward they go forward with max 7 players, they will always leave 3 sitting deep. So every team attacks with 7 players. No Carney and Triff getting back means we have 8 defensive players. That should be enough to find our shape and defend.

I suppose id prefer to rely on the other 8 players back there being able to defend against the opposition 7 guys and look to actually score a goal or two.

We complain that they don't have a go and attack opponent, we sit back too much. But a guy who is all about attacking and scoring goals gets bagged out and everyone thinks we are better off without him.

You're almost correct with this. Shape dictates who tracks back. Sometimes you need 10 tracking back, sometimes you only need 6. Cabbage seems to either stay up and not track back, or when he tracks back he doesn't have the legs to help out with the next attack. Thus he gets slagged off for having Stinky Cabbage Hands and the fitness of Frank Lowy..

[MFKS]

Why do we want carney always "tracking back" why exhaust your main (and pretty much only) outlet to scoring goals constantly defending? Remember we are the jets, we defend a shit load

Carlos Hernandez, would you have liked him here at his peak in the A-league?

Defending is obviously important but you cannot win without scoring.

When a team goes forward they go forward with max 7 players, they will always leave 3 sitting deep. So every team attacks with 7 players. No Carney and Triff getting back means we have 8 defensive players. That should be enough to find our shape and defend.

I suppose id prefer to rely on the other 8 players back there being able to defend against the opposition 7 guys and look to actually score a goal or two.

We complain that they don't have a go and attack opponent, we sit back too much. But a guy who is all about attacking and scoring goals gets bagged out and everyone thinks we are better off without him.

Problem with Carney is when played at left back when he goes forward and we cough up the ball he has to get back ASAP

He jogs or walks back.

Not acceptable

When he plays as a wide mid he needs to track back and offer support to his fullback and stop the full back being isolated

He is very poor at this.

Generally speaking he shows **** all urgency to get balls where ever he is and doesn't want to tackle much

He doesn't even want to press our opponents.


It was a glaring contrast yesterday

When our back 4 had the ball Djite Goodwin Carrusca and co were all over us giving our blokes **** all time on the ball

When there back 4 bad it we stood off or pressed in a half hearted manner.


Sure as shit you don't need to press for 90 mins as it tires you out but why give the opposition a free pass out of their half and into ours???

The benefits of pressing though see the ball turned over with either a throw in free kick coming our way in good field position or a turnover which may see us create a goal scoring opportunity whilst our opponent is not set in defence.

Adelaide with the wide players in the sideline are a good team to press as you can leave them very exposed if you pick them off

[MFKS]

Matt Simon may eat more D*&K than Clive Palmer eats Pies.. but he would give us the "ref harassing mongrel attitude" some people on these forums have been asking for lately?

Naumoff would be ok, i'd honestly rather one of their youth prospects than Simon.. i'd be very suprised if Simon agreed to coming here let alone us signing him so not going to give it much thought.

He would be a good addition to our squad.

He harasses the **** out of opponents and makes life hard for the opponents back 4.

The bloke is a **** but even with his Gypo roots that will be soon forgotten as he would be our ****.

His 110% all effort approach would be well received by the Newy people as that is a feature locals appreciate.

He may not have style or grace but we love players to get in and have a go.

[halo se7en]

Thought I read that Naumoff said no to coming here anyway.

I get the feeling this is going to be a 1 for 1 swap. Would we be happy with just Simon? The guy is barely getting game time and wouldn't find living in Newy a problem seeing as it's still a massive step up from the shithole he was used to.

And I agree with MFKS (holy shit), he has the footballing qualities that make him an absolute c**t as an opponent, a la Berisha, but qualities we'd love to see in our own players.

[Wilso8948]

No fan of Carney but.. swapping him for Matt Simon? FFS well in Jets.....

[plague]

Haha blokes on here already caping up for Gypo Simon.

You blokes love this club too much and the club don't deserve you.

Get another hobby til these ****ers stop hating on you. It's battered wife syndrome, it's unhealthy.

[Tommyjet]

Haha blokes on here already caping up for Gypo Simon.

You blokes love this club too much and the club don't deserve you.

Get another hobby til these ****ers stop hating on you. It's battered wife syndrome, it's unhealthy.
I have numerous positive hobbies to balance out my undying devotion to the jets. Just glad I'm not the type of deadbeat to take on the hobby of keyboard warrior

[plague]

Just glad I'm not the type of deadbeat to take on the hobby of keyboard warrior

I know, right.

**** those guys.

[BodyNovo]

matt simon can **** right off

the line of worst gypos ever clearly goes

hutcho
nick murder
kwasnik
simon

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Simon will never be allowed to wear our jersey. Fvcking coastie scum. I know other coasties have, but he's the fvcking epitome of a coastie. Up there with Hutcho. No way.

Carney, twice in 12 months he's been dropped for unknown reasons.
Strange that two different coaching/management have had the same approach with this fella. When he doesn't get his way/results, he wants out. When you don't let him, he chucks a tanny.

I wonder who started all the stuff with squad separation back when we had ol' stubs. Interesting.