SQUAD FOR 2015/16 SEASON - no Griff, no party

[The Camel]

matt simon can **** right off

the line of worst gypos ever clearly goes

hutcho
nick murder
kwasnik
simon

Agree **** Simon

[q-money]

only the jets hate their own fans so much as to do this

[BodyNovo]

the club can fold if this happens.

[plague]

Same fans that cheered Bridges will be happy if we sign Simon.

[plague]

matt simon can **** right off

the line of worst gypos ever clearly goes

hutcho
nick murder
kwasnik
simon

Surely Josh Rose is ready for that list.
Dead set dumbest mong **** ever to wear that povo ass shirt.

[Jeterpool]

Simon will never be allowed to wear our jersey. Fvcking coastie scum. I know other coasties have, but he's the fvcking epitome of a coastie. Up there with Hutcho. No way.

Carney, twice in 12 months he's been dropped for unknown reasons.
Strange that two different coaching/management have had the same approach with this fella. When he doesn't get his way/results, he wants out. When you don't let him, he chucks a tanny.

I wonder who started all the stuff with squad separation back when we had ol' stubs. Interesting.

The same thoughts have crossed my mind.

[Couscous]

I will not support the Jets if they sign Matt Simon.

[Premy]

Abbas and Naumoff thanks Arnie.

[Hunter403]

Leijer available. He's 29.

[borat]

Seriously, the article said it was "interesting" Naumoff and Simon were omitted from the match day squad.

That's the most tenuous link I have ever heard. If you look at SFC's bench from the Brisbane game they had Smeltz, Abbas, Dimitrejevic and Ryall. So hardly a revelation that Simon and Naumoff never made the team.

You also need to remember that the only manager that plays more defensive boring football than Miller is Arnie. So not choosing attack minded players in the run on team is not that common.

A passing comment that it's interesting is not worth worrying about

[MFKS]

Seriously, the article said it was "interesting" Naumoff and Simon were omitted from the match day squad.

That's the most tenuous link I have ever heard. If you look at SFC's bench from the Brisbane game they had Smeltz, Abbas, Dimitrejevic and Ryall. So hardly a revelation that Simon and Naumoff never made the team.

You also need to remember that the only manager that plays more defensive boring football than Miller is Arnie. So not choosing attack minded players in the run on team is not that common.

A passing comment that it's interesting is not worth worrying about

Being that Naumoff and Simon started on the Tuesday V Victree it could well be they were only omitted as Arnold rotated players and used his squad as he not only has the finals but ACL coming up.

[MFKS]

Leijer available. He's 29.

If we need a player to get needless cards we have Boogaard

If we need a player too slow for the competition we have Mullen

Pass

[Jetmaster]

My wife always reckoned if we had Leijer, Paartalu and Griff in the same team the crowd would double with many horny women attending.

[Guerny]

stupid question maybe: Why cant Carney buy out his own contract if he wants to move on so badly?

[Tommyjet]

Griff says carney doesn't want to move. Smart operator carney is getting griff on his side

[Roundball Enthusiast]

https://twitter.com/Joshy_Mitchy/status/693994461001453569

So Leijer to Korea. (Maybe)

[Premy]

I blame Carneys Agent for all this, everything was rosey until that twat spoke out to the media. The nob has most likely got into Carneys ear and feed him bullshit all for the sake of a few thousand dollars.

[plague]

Have the Jets offered Carney a contract for next year?
Has that been reported?

[Jetmaster]

Griff says carney doesn't want to move. Smart operator carney is getting griff on his side

If he doesn't want to move where is the problem? What is causing the grief?

If you want to stay, shut up, play and deal with it at season's end.

Bloody looks like someone looking to move to me.

[Hunter403]

If we need a player to get needless cards we have Boogaard

If we need a player too slow for the competition we have Mullen

Pass


Bloody hell, Member, is there any player (apart from Griff) who you do rate or don't bag?
That bloke has won championships and captained with Victory and obtained an overseas contract . He must be able to play a bit.

[MFKS]

Bloody hell, Member, is there any player (apart from Griff) who you do rate or don't bag?
That bloke has won championships and captained with Victory and obtained an overseas contract . He must be able to play a bit.

Leijer is pretty over rated if you ask me.

Always has been

Always will be.

I reckon there are easily 10 CD's in the HAL that are superior

[parksey]

I will not support the Jets if they sign Matt Simon.

^

[Mark325]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/newcastle-jets-wants-andrew-hoole-in-exchange-for-david-carney-to-sydney-fc-20160201-gmiwr8.html?platform=hootsuite

We're still going for Hoole, but only Hoole. Means we're gonna be paying Hoole a bit more money, I'd still think we can get two people out of this trade

[Roundball Enthusiast]

https://twitter.com/mitchhughesnbn/status/694063798722760705

Fvck off then, you're a player and don't get to make those decisions. Obviously not committed here, so on your bike.

[Jeterpool]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/newcastle-jets-wants-andrew-hoole-in-exchange-for-david-carney-to-sydney-fc-20160201-gmiwr8.html?platform=hootsuite

We're still going for Hoole, but only Hoole. Means we're gonna be paying Hoole a bit more money, I'd still think we can get two people out of this trade

I don't see Hoole as a long term option, just as I don't see Carney. I say that because he has overseas ambitions. That's dependent on someone buying him of course. He's a longer term option than Carney however.

[lquiquer]

**** Hoole and **** Simon....if we cant access the French foreign legion then BROSQUE or nothing :grin: or a couple of the Serbians (One of them qualifies for the legion) :lulzturtle:

[skullboy]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/newcastle-jets-wants-andrew-hoole-in-exchange-for-david-carney-to-sydney-fc-20160201-gmiwr8.html?platform=hootsuite

We're still going for Hoole, but only Hoole. Means we're gonna be paying Hoole a bit more money, I'd still think we can get two people out of this trade

So much for only doing a deal if it is to our benefit... For all the tough talk Miller is now prepared to take one player who has scored one A-league goal and a poorly taken penalty at that.

That's a deal? That's a terrible deal.

[plague]

Oh man, some of you guys.......

[turbojetfireV8]

I don't see Hoole as a long term option, just as I don't see Carney. I say that because he has overseas ambitions. That's dependent on someone buying him of course. He's a longer term option than Carney however.

Hoole has a great future in a third tier Asian league you mean? Reegz can put in a word for him...

[StannyCFCJET]

the club can fold if this happens.

whats wrong with bridges???

[rhysd]

This will free up a significant amount of money in our cap situation. The beauty of it is that we can use what we save on not paying carney in our cap for next year.

Hoole for Carney then doesn't seem like such a bad swap. Although it does appear, like carney, the agent makes all the executive decisions for the involved player coming in.

Hoole was exciting to watch last year but needs to become a lot more polished in that final third. Needs to know when to dribble and when to hit a first time cross.

Hoole will offer more pace +++, athleticism and in the A-league this makes him a more viable player than carney does at age 32.

Carney is just simply on too much coin from the outside looking in.

Hoole would realistically be here on max 110-120k .. This allows a potential $100k approx more in the centre of the park.

good business if you ask me.

[Frodo]

I'm starting to side with Plague. There is way to much conjecture in these posts.

I've decided to swim back upstream. Miller to offer Cabbage a 1 year deal at 250k a week (which is still too much). Who's willing to give me the odds on that?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

IN-DEMAND midfielder David Carney will learn his immediate playing future on Tuesday, and it appears increasingly likely the former Socceroo will depart the Jets for Sydney FC.

With the A-League transfer window closing at midnight, intense negotiations between the Jets and Sydney FC are set to come to a head.

FIRM VIEW: Scott Miller
FIRM VIEW: Scott Miller
“Dialogue is ongoing,” Jets chief executive David Eland said on Monday.

“Sydney are clearly desperate to get hold of David Carney, but he has a contract until the end of the season.

“We have until 11.59pm to come up with a solution.”

The Jets have said they are willing to release Carney but on their terms.

A potential two-for-one player swap has been at the centre of talks.

The Jets have targeted Andrew Hoole and are understood to be willing to increase the Olyroo’s salary as an enticement to return to Newcastle.

The 22-year-old is six months into a two-year deal in Sydney and his management this week ruled out a return to his home club.

As well as the A-League finals, the Sky Blues are about to begin their Asian Champions League campaign.

Striker Chris Naumoff and promising left back Riley Woodcock are other Sydney players reported to be involved in talks.

“When the situation involves potential player swaps, it is really complex,” Eland said. “You are talking about people’s careers.”

If the clubs cannot agree on a player swap, the other option is for the Jets to release Carney and save the balance of his contract, believed to be about $80,000.

Under the A-League Collective Bargaining Agreement, formalised in November, clubs are allowed to stockpile any unused portion of the salary cap and add it to the next season’s spend.

Likewise, if the Jets receive a player or players from Sydney on less money than the Carney, the difference can be banked to spend later.

After a dream start, winning three of the first four games, the Jets’ finals hopes are in tatters.

They sit in ninth place, 10 points behind sixth-placed Adelaide, with 10 games remaining.

Carney has been the Jets’ best player, scoring three goals and playing a hand in several others.

However, the 32-year-old was a shock late omission from the side beaten 1-0 in Adelaide on Sunday, after the coach queried his “commitment”.

The Jets train on Tuesday ahead of the visit by the high-flying Melbourne City on Sunday.

Eland expects Carney at training and said he would be considered for selection while he is contracted to the club.

“Scott has been straight with where things stand with David,” Eland said. “You have to want to play for the Jets and be committed to the Jets. The culture we are trying to build here, that is a must.”

So to get Hoole here, we have to offer him significantly more money than Sydney, he obviously doesn't want to be here, so why would we force him? We don't want money hungry players, we want hungry players that WANT to be here and play for us.

Remainder of Carney's contract is believed to be 80k, with 9(?) games remaining, people saying he's not on good coin are crazy. Works out around 8k per game + bonuses or 218k for the 27 rounds...

[joel31]

whats wrong with bridges???
lol

[leftrightout]

Leijer is pretty over rated if you ask me.

Always has been

Always will be.

I reckon there are easily 10 CD's in the HAL that are superior

Its rare but i agree with the member here. I've never rated Leijer and wouldn't want him here.

[Jeterpool]

Robbie Kruse has been sent back To Leverkusen from Stuttgart where he was on loan.

I wonder where his head is at and whether he is a realistic recruitment option for next season? He's struggling to regain a place in the first team following a few injuries. I'd be looking at a loan deal and the very least.

[halo se7en]

I'm starting to side with Plague. There is way to much conjecture in these posts.

Is this your first ever transfer window/deadline day? Lol it's 99% conjecture.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

https://twitter.com/JamesGardiner42/status/694290293827342337

Later. I hope we get decent signings in return....

[borat]

This will free up a significant amount of money in our cap situation. The beauty of it is that we can use what we save on not paying carney in our cap for next year.

Hoole for Carney then doesn't seem like such a bad swap. Although it does appear, like carney, the agent makes all the executive decisions for the involved player coming in.

Hoole was exciting to watch last year but needs to become a lot more polished in that final third. Needs to know when to dribble and when to hit a first time cross.

Hoole will offer more pace +++, athleticism and in the A-league this makes him a more viable player than carney does at age 32.

Carney is just simply on too much coin from the outside looking in.

Hoole would realistically be here on max 110-120k .. This allows a potential $100k approx more in the centre of the park.

good business if you ask me.

Pretty sure our offer last year, that SFC matched, was 150k. And we're offering more so you would think 160k-165k. It's still a saving of 60-70k in the cap.

Every player no, matter how good, has a value in the cap that makes them a good or bad proposition. Carney is a good player and does provide more on the pitch than Hoole will, but at 230k a well over value for a player with very little conviction to anything or anyone other than himself.

If Hoole does go overseas it won't be until the end of next season which is clearly what Miller is planning for in this trade.

[borat]

Robbie Kruse has been sent back To Leverkusen from Stuttgart where he was on loan.

I wonder where his head is at and whether he is a realistic recruitment option for next season? He's struggling to regain a place in the first team following a few injuries. I'd be looking at a loan deal and the very least. I am reading that Kruse is not going back because he is unwanted, rather than Bayer want to strengthen their attack by bringing him back

[Jetmaster]

Robbie Kruse has been sent back To Leverkusen from Stuttgart where he was on loan.

I wonder where his head is at and whether he is a realistic recruitment option for next season? He's struggling to regain a place in the first team following a few injuries. I'd be looking at a loan deal and the very least.

No - he would take Chinese coin first.

[RAM]

Leijer is pretty over rated if you ask me.

Always has been

Always will be.

I reckon there are easily 10 CD's in the HAL that are superior

x2

[RAM]

I don't see Hoole as a long term option, just as I don't see Carney. I say that because he has overseas ambitions. That's dependent on someone buying him of course. He's a longer term option than Carney however.

all decent talent will leave eventually - we're a selling league, or at least should be if we can produce the goods

rather a bloke with ambition than a mong who is happy being comfy at home and doesn't want to go higher

[Jeterpool]

all decent talent will leave eventually - we're a selling league, or at least should be if we can produce the goods

rather a bloke with ambition than a mong who is happy being comfy at home and doesn't want to go higher

Yeah good point.

[GazFish35]

all decent talent will leave eventually - we're a selling league, or at least should be if we can produce the goods

rather a bloke with ambition than a mong who is happy being comfy at home and doesn't want to go higher

this.

we will never get better if our squad ishappy with bloke who are happy to cruise at HAL level and spend there spare time fishing surfing and sunbaking.

we need a squad of bloke with Europe in their dreams, and older guys coming back with experience at a higherlevel.


I know of one youth squad who's first screening question was "where do you want to play your football?"
ant kids who answered "the a-league" was struck off the list.
the correct answer was EPL, Serie A, Bundesliga etc etc

they've had a fair few kids step from youth to A-league with ease.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/january-transfer-window-list-of-done-deals-in-the-aleague/news-story/cea349688d72420f9a4a6c8e260c942a


OUTS: Lee Ki-Jee (Ulsan Hyundai), David Carney (Sydney FC)

So it looks like a done deal? Fox reporting on it.. But no new "INs"....

Edit: Looks like we get Hoole, on extra coin... For Carney... Disappointed we gave in so easily. Should be Hoole and Naumoff

[halo se7en]

So it looks like a done deal? Fox reporting on it.. But no new "INs"....

Edit: Looks like we get Hoole, on extra coin... For Carney... Disappointed we gave in so easily. Should be Hoole and Naumoff

I guess the advantage is more cap space next season plus *possible transfer fee if we can sell him in a year. I think he'll have a lot to prove and if he's keen to get out of Newcastle again, he'll be working hard to do so which only helps us. Still disappointed we didn't (if we don't) get a 2nd player.

[MFKS]

So it looks like a done deal? Fox reporting on it.. But no new "INs"....

Edit: Looks like we get Hoole, on extra coin... For Carney... Disappointed we gave in so easily. Should be Hoole and Naumoff

Who gives a ****

If Hooley is coming back I just can't wait for the lulz from Hawk's epic impending meltdown


Could well be a great day.

Rid of Carney we get a local back and Hawk goes mental

[BodyNovo]

gardiner just confirmed that 100% hoole has not spoken to the jets

[RAM]

gardiner just confirmed that 100% hoole has not spoken to the jets

fmd

[The Dunster]

Have we signed Kristian Sarkies yet ?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

We gave away Carney, coz he didnt want to be here. With the illusion we'd get Hoole.

Typical Jets, give away players and get nothing in return. Welcome to the wooden spoon, again.

[scarfy96]

Sounding more and more like going from requiring 2 players to even talk to getting none. Sounding like a fine result, the more things change at the Jets the more they stay the same.

[borat]

gardiner just confirmed that 100% hoole has not spoken to the jets

Gardiner 100% confirmed that's what Hoole's agent said, which is exactly what you would expect if you want to drive up the price.

Let's see how this pans out. Gatt is saying the opposite and Arnie is his source

[MFKS]

So anyone else we interested in besides the Carney >> Hoole>> Smurfs 3 some angle??

Anyone spotted Leigh Broxham on Darby St today or maybe Manny Muscat at Westfield Kotara or maybe Shane Stefanutto at Harry's Schnitzel

Any other signings we looking at??

[GazFish35]

i saw Bessart Berisha walking out of the old store building, zinc on his knows, thongs on his feet and a tray of mangoes in his arms

[Frodo]

Stambolziev hasn't played much this year? Is that from injury or can't crack the first team? Australian born winger. If Naumoff wants to sit in their bench we might be able to get a player with European experience?

Probably wishful thinking that we get anything from them, we will probably get a few ball boys and think we did a good job..

[lil_masi]

hooles agent said on twitter 20min ago its not happening

[scarfy96]

we will probably get a few ball boys and think we did a good job..

Looking to the future, if they are good enough, they are old enough!

[Jetmaster]

I love how people are jumping to conclusions on any sniff of rumour. At this stage with nobody coming this way, I do believe Carney went to Sydney this morning expecting the deal to be over the line.

Am thinking this scenario...

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1569381.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Odemwingie%20slider.jpg

[borat]

We are currently trialling Joeys striker Cameron Joice

[leftrightout]

So anyone else we interested in besides the Carney >> Hoole>> Smurfs 3 some angle??

Anyone spotted Leigh Broxham on Darby St today or maybe Manny Muscat at Westfield Kotara or maybe Shane Stefanutto at Harry's Schnitzel

Any other signings we looking at??

You missed Marc Warren in your all star line up there!

[Jeterpool]

I love how people are jumping to conclusions on any sniff of rumour. At this stage with nobody coming this way, I do believe Carney went to Sydney this morning expecting the deal to be over the line.

Am thinking this scenario...

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1569381.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Odemwingie%20slider.jpg

you listened to the FoxSports podcast, didn't you.

[Jeterpool]

NBN's Paddy Kilmurray saying it's highly unlikely that any Sydney players will agree to move to Newcastle. Now up to clubs to sort out a deal.

[Grimario]

Ray Gatt said a few hours back that Carney gone to SFC, no swap. NBN slow on the uptake.

Will sign Joice on peanuts.

[q-money]

what a bunch of duds this club are

[leftrightout]

We are in lose/lose situation now

We aren't getting any new players in but if we don't release Carney is he really going to want to play for us?
We will be stuck with an unhappy player... A-league really needs to fix their transfer fees/loans policy i think!

[Grimario]

We are in lose/lose situation now

We aren't getting any new players in but if we don't release Carney is he really going to want to play for us?
We will be stuck with an unhappy player... A-league really needs to fix their transfer fees/loans policy i think!

We will get a new player, just not a swap. I reckon that is exactly why Joice is trialling with us... the fallback option.

[MFKS]

We will get a new player, just not a swap. I reckon that is exactly why Joice is trialling with us... the fallback option.

FMD

The Kid was a local in the EJ program where he got picked up by the AIS.

Spent some time there and that has now finished.



Now he is back looking to get a start in the Yoof team and work towards the HAL.

The Jets will give him a run in the NPL this winter make no mistake about it.


Whether he wants to hang around here long term is up to him as he may wish to go elsewhere.

He ain't a signing of note

[redwah]

Who gives a **** anyway. Carney will do the same to Sydney next season when someone else lifts there skirt to him.... He's had more clubs than tiger Woods.

I don't want players here that don't want to be here.... Carney, hoole, any of them.

We are rubbish enough without players not putting in because they couldn't be ****ed and not just because they are shit.

[Wilso8948]

Just trim the fat and let devon head go. No point staying here as I said will become a cancer in the sheds if he does. Bank the cash. Take a few more months of pain and wait till the offseason to use the cash. Anyone who thinks we still a chance this year has rocks in their head. May as well use the remaining games to sort out who wants to be here and who doesnt. As well as blood some youth. We saw what rushing into signings did for us this year in being stuck with an overpaid dud like alivodic.

[Jetmaster]

you listened to the FoxSports podcast, didn't you.

No - but saw the story on Fox this morning!

If we get nothing out of this I'm done with the FFA as it will be yet another case of give the big boys what they want. If the boot was on the other foot SFC would not be budging an inch and Carney would be cooling his heels.

[q-money]

Bank the cash. Take a few more months of pain and wait till the offseason to use the cash.
there is no cash though, unless carney buys his own contract out. this was meant to be a "player swap"....not us losing a player and getting nothing in return.

we are effectively letting him go as i read it, with no-one coming the other way .

[Grimario]

there is no cash though, unless carney buys his own contract out. this was meant to be a "player swap"....not us losing a player and getting nothing in return.

we are effectively letting him go as i read it, with no-one coming the other way .

He means bank the cash as in the salary cap. If Carney leaves to join Sydney, we don't pay him the remaining 80k of his contract which means we have cap space left at seasons end. If we don't sign someone, we can bank that and roll it over to next year. That was one of the changes in the last CBA.

[The Camel]

He means bank the cash as in the salary cap. If Carney leaves to join Sydney, we don't pay him the remaining 80k of his contract which means we have cap space left at seasons end. If we don't sign someone, we can bank that and roll it over to next year. That was one of the changes in the last CBA.

As if the FFA are going to bank the saved wages for next year. If they still own us they will spend the absolute minimum again. They are doing their usual trick of doing everything to keep SFC (or Victory) happy and stuff the rest. The 'no transfer fee' policy needs to go ASAP.

[Grimario]

As if the FFA are going to bank the saved wages for next year. If they still own us they will spend the absolute minimum again. They are doing their usual trick of doing everything to keep SFC (or Victory) happy and stuff the rest. The 'no transfer fee' policy needs to go ASAP.

Agree on all of that... but I wasn't arguing that that's what will happen, just speculating that that's what Wilso was suggesting.

[borat]

So if Carney has gone and no SFC player swap, why the delay? If it's Carney negotiating with SFC then we have released him already and would still have been able to get in first and announce it.

IMO the club may have given up on the swap but is trying to sign someone else and announce all at once

[Jetmaster]

Pfft - Carney is probably drinking bubbly with Arnie thinking **** the Jets, and they have left us to concede defeat like the pollies do before saying anyhthing.

[BodyNovo]

all today has proven is that it will take years for us to get Australian quality players from other a league squads unless we pay massive overs or they are home grown (sometimes both).

naumoff would be probably first picked in our team and even he doesn't want to come.

if we let carney go for nothing (as if 80k added to next years salary cap means anything especially when we don't even utilise it correctly now) it will be the lowest point for the season imo. Lower then letting murphy go and not making a play at taagz

[The Dunster]

So if Carney has gone and no SFC player swap, why the delay? If it's Carney negotiating with SFC then we have released him already and would still have been able to get in first and announce it.

IMO the club may have given up on the swap but is trying to sign someone else and announce all at once

Carney should play out his contract at the Jets and sign with Sydney for next season. If Miller doesn't want to use Carney again this season then Carney can train by himself down in Jardels corner.

[Grimario]

Ray Gatt ‏@Gatty54 16s16 seconds ago
Carney all done and dusted

...


Ray Gatt ‏@Gatty54 17s17 seconds ago
Carney back to where it started for him. And Hoole stays at Sydney as well


James Gardiner ‏@JamesGardiner42 37s37 seconds ago
BREAKING: David Carney and @NewcastleJetsFC agree to mutual termination @newcastleherald @SMHsport

[Frodo]

all today has proven is that it will take years for us to get Australian quality players from other a league squads unless we pay massive overs or they are home grown (sometimes both).

naumoff would be probably first picked in our team and even he doesn't want to come.

if we let carney go for nothing (as if 80k added to next years salary cap means anything especially when we don't even utilise it correctly now) it will be the lowest point for the season imo. Lower then letting murphy go and not making a play at taagz

We made a plat at Taggart and he said he wasn't coming back. Naumoff would've been promised gametime when they have ACL commitments as well as HAL games.

But yes, we are a rubbish football club who hates it's fans...

That should be on our badge next year.

Newcastle Jets... ours fans are stupid."

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Newcastle Jets... ours fans are stupid."

Stupid enough to not be a member next year. This club has no guts and will go no where with this attitude. I'll come back when they grow some fvcking balls and stand up for themselves and their fans.

[The Dunster]

Knowing the Jets they probably gave Carney to Sydney and agreed to pay his wages as well for the rest of the season. I don't care about Carney not being a Jet anymore but I do care about how this club has absolutely no power to retain players or bring them to the club.

Nothings going to change. The memories of the first three seasons are as good as we are going to get.

Welcome to the Abortion.

[Grimario]

Knowing the Jets they probably gave Carney to Sydney and agreed to pay his wages as well for the rest of the season.

Don't forget a severance bonus where we give him the rest of the money we have in the cap as well as a 10% stake in the club where we cover losses but he gets a portion of all future sales of other players.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

And with Carney gone and no one coming in, we've secured ourselves another wooden spoon.

[Grimario]

And with Carney gone and no one coming in, we've secured ourselves another wooden spoon.

Hearing rumours we are going to follow the scum and sign a Liverpool great.

Welcome John Barnes!

[Jetmaster]

Feel like the spazzy kid you used to deal with in the playground to steal their lunch.

[scarfy96]

Hearing rumours we are going to follow the scum and sign a Liverpool great.

Welcome John Barnes!

Doesn't Heskey have "unfinished business" here?

[q-money]

jesus

[tomo]

Throw money at Tommy Oar

[Grimario]

jesus

He retired. Would be perfect for us... we need someone who is good on a cross.

[GazFish35]

Should've at least kept him here. It's an 80k point that needs to be made.

If he wants out, he can wait, unless we get a good deal. No good deal on the table, he stays.... Showing every other player that no one is bigger than the club.

But we're about the bottom line and that 80K is worth more to the bean counters than any sense of self respect.

**** carney. If wants out, he can have out, so long as the club are better off from it. Otherwise, he stays and he can be told to go fishing for next three months.

[Guerny]

But we're about the bottom line and that 80K is worth more to the bean counters than any sense of self respect.


This!

This stinks of the FFA trying to save cash on propping the club up.

[Jetmaster]

No official announcements yet - the more I think about it, the more I think that surely somebody must be coming the other way. We cannot be that weak as to just hand Carney over after the comments of the last few days.

Who is doing the negotiating, is it Eland's rostered Jets day or are the FFA doing it?

[Premy]

Stupid enough to not be a member next year. FFA doesn't care about Newcastle and will go no where with this attitude. I'll come back when they grow some fvcking balls and FFA stops collecting money from the Hunter region and not spending a cent on Newcastle and their fans.
Fixed.

[Grimario]

If we pull off a transfer coup and somehow sign Oar, even on a short term deal, this might be okay.

[Premy]

If we pull off a transfer coup and somehow sign Oar, even on a short term deal, this might be okay.

I like your glass half full attitude, when it comes to these Khunts but, come on.

[tomo]

There has to be something lined up. Surely they cant be that stupid to just let Carney go and not have a replacement lined up

[Grimario]

I like your glass half full attitude, when it comes to these Khunts but, come on.

Glass half full? Come on, that's definitely not me... have you ever read anything I have posted? :p

[Premy]

There has to be something lined up. Surely they cant be that stupid to just let Carney go and not have a replacement lined up
Of course 17 year old Cameron Joice silly.

[plague]

He retired. Would be perfect for us... we need someone who is good on a cross.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--sgF9NkOe--/19b4krenadrb0gif.gif

[plague]

serious though i can totally see Carneys point in all this.
Club hasn't exactly been mega awesome to him.

[ForeverRed]

If we pull off a transfer coup and somehow sign Oar, even on a short term deal, this might be okay.

oar signed in china today

[borat]

oar signed in china today

Rumoured, hasn't signed. Oar is a free agent so not restricted by transfer window

[borat]

serious though i can totally see Carneys point in all this.
Club hasn't exactly been mega awesome to him.
For real? The guy has been paid top dollar, offered a career lifeline when no one wanted him and treated us like a transit lounge from day 1. Would say the most unprofessional player we have had on the books since Troy Hearfield.

[q-money]

this is easily the best part of the deal


As part of the deal, it is understood Carney has agreed to pay the Jets a fee out of his own pocket if he is sold overseas in the future.

:rof: this guy

[Grimario]

this is easily the best part of the deal



:rof: this guy

That's amazing. "Hey guys, I am on a gazillion dollars in Qatar now. Here, have this 2 for 1 Henny Penny Bacon Burger combo voucher. It expired in Feb 2016 but it was in my pocket."

[Grimario]

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/news-david-carney-departs-newcastle-jets/yfptapvdszl41w6xist64kdc4



Newcastle Jets have today agreed to mutually terminate David Carney’s contract with the club.
Newcastle Jets have determined that retaining Carney for the remainder of his contract is no longer in the club’s best interests and have agreed to his request for a release.

Carney joined Newcastle Jets two years ago.

In his time with the club Carney played 37 Hyundai A-League matches and scored three goals – all of which came this campaign.

The terms of Carney’s mutual termination with the club shall remain confidential.

[borat]

What an inciteful press release that is. No comments from Scott Miller I see, would be keen to hear what he has to say for himself after all his bravado.

Seriously makes you wonder why bother with this club

[plague]

For real? The guy has been paid top dollar, offered a career lifeline when no one wanted him and treated us like a transit lounge from day 1. Would say the most unprofessional player we have had on the books since Troy Hearfield.

club didn't want him last year, doesn't want him next year. they only opened a very small window for him to be this totally loyal player everyone expects him to be

[Premy]

For real? The guy has been paid top dollar, offered a career lifeline when no one wanted him and treated us like a transit lounge from day 1. Would say the most unprofessional player we have had on the books since Troy Hearfield.

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 .

[borat]

club didn't want him last year, doesn't want him next year. they only opened a very small window for him to be this totally loyal player everyone expects him to be

Ha that's a nice take on things

Club offers him a lifeline after 18 months in the wilderness, remember there was a time where he was literally mia and no one knew if he had retired.

Plays 12 months of ok football, then strong arms weak as piss Middleby into a mega rich 2 year deal.

Rather than come out the next season fired up to perform and earn the faith we have shown he turns up for pre-season training kgs over weight and gets his manager to line up a move to SFC within the first six weeks of the Comp.

Then advises Andrew Hoole to sign for SFC.......yeah remember that.

Then the following season, rather than earn the top dollar and play out his contract he then tries to pressure the club to an extension by lining up another move to SFC and releasing BS rumours of a Qatar deal.

And it's the club not showing the loyalty hear? That will do me. The only plus in all this is at least his dirty little secret will likely come out to the press in Sydney.

[borat]

And despite all that, watching the club get pantsed by both Carney and SFC is pretty damn depressing

[NUGUNS]

Damn who are we gonna blow up at about ripping cones now....

[parksey]

serious though i can totally see Carneys point in all this.
Club hasn't exactly been mega awesome to him.

the club started this

[StannyCFCJET]

next time we play sydney at home everyone give carney the reception he deserves. Also the icing on the cake when Arnie sees his defensive workrate he wont play a game for sydney

[lquiquer]

serious though i can totally see Carneys point in all this.
Club hasn't exactly been mega awesome to him.

I'm blind then

[turbojetfireV8]

NBN announced we get $80K in the deal - our own $80K i assume, gee we did well outta this one

[StannyCFCJET]

NBN announced we get $80K in the deal - our own $80K i assume, gee we did well outta this one

its the 80k wed pay carney if he stayed for the rest of the year

[foti68]

NBN announced we get $80K in the deal - our own $80K i assume, gee we did well outta this one

We have been dudded again they should have sat him on the bench for the rest of the season, and Hoole has no chance of playing any more game time with Carney there. It just goes to show what type of pulling power the club has got F--All your honor.

[plague]

Ha that's a nice take on things

Club offers him a lifeline after 18 months in the wilderness, remember there was a time where he was literally mia and no one knew if he had retired.

Plays 12 months of ok football, then strong arms weak as piss Middleby into a mega rich 2 year deal.

Rather than come out the next season fired up to perform and earn the faith we have shown he turns up for pre-season training kgs over weight and gets his manager to line up a move to SFC within the first six weeks of the Comp.

Then advises Andrew Hoole to sign for SFC.......yeah remember that.

Then the following season, rather than earn the top dollar and play out his contract he then tries to pressure the club to an extension by lining up another move to SFC and releasing BS rumours of a Qatar deal.

And it's the club not showing the loyalty hear? That will do me. The only plus in all this is at least his dirty little secret will likely come out to the press in Sydney.

yep i can also see that point of view, no doubt.
but if he does his knee tomorrow at training you think the club is going to give him a contract next year to get fit?
they would brush him as quickly as he brushed them.
he just got in first.

carney is looking after his best interests. that may not go down well with fans but its the way the world is.

you, me and most of the rest would prob conduct ourselves in a different way. but thats not to say he doesn't have a point.

[sammydog]

NBN announced we get $80K in the deal - our own $80K i assume, gee we did well outta this one

So it gets added to our salary cap next season, but when the FFA are going minimum spend, it doesn't matter how much our salary cap is expanded.

[Jetmaster]

This is close to the worst piece of business the Jets have ever conducted. We have been bent over and arse raped without barely a whimper.
I get the feeling Miller is not impressed by the lack if support he has received and I think the Sydney FFA boys have got this over the line.
Both us an the Mariners have been dudded in this window....a sign of the times.

[StannyCFCJET]

This is close to the worst piece of business the Jets have ever conducted. We have been bent over and arse raped without barely a whimper.
I get the feeling Miller is not impressed by the lack if support he has received and I think the Sydney FFA boys have got this over the line.
Both us an the Mariners have been dudded in this window....a sign of the times.

the mariners got Garcia how were they dudded

[MFKS]

Personally I reckon this is ****ing great.

Carney is a lazy **** and I am glad to see the back of him.

To me the Management of the Jets have done themselves a good thing here.

We have rid ourselves of one of our highly paid players and freed up the salary cap noose that Muppet left us with.

Exactly why do we want to go out and sign a couple of Sydney rejects who probably most likely are not wanting to come here anyway??

Millertime now has the next 6 months to work out how to spend the cash and spend it wisely.

For all the doom and gloom here I feel the club got the best deal out of this.

We are not going into the market signing a player to replace Carney right now and paying the bloke overs in a hurried marriage of convenience.

We can head out into the market and be selective as to how we spend the cash and choose wisely with a plan in mind.

It's over to Millertime now not to **** it up and sign the right players

[Jetmaster]

the mariners got Garcia how were they dudded

The Caceres deal.

[skullboy]

This is close to the worst piece of business the Jets have ever conducted. We have been bent over and arse raped without barely a whimper.
I get the feeling Miller is not impressed by the lack if support he has received and I think the Sydney FFA boys have got this over the line.
Both us an the Mariners have been dudded in this window....a sign of the times.

It's easily the worst piece of business the Jets have ever conducted.

What a worthless bunch of f@#%tards.

They can pay out the balance of my membership for the year. They have definitely freed up an extra available membership for next year.

[matty]

Personally I reckon this is ****ing great.

Carney is a lazy **** and I am glad to see the back of him.

To me the Management of the Jets have done themselves a good thing here.

We have rid ourselves of one of our highly paid players and freed up the salary cap noose that Muppet left us with.

Exactly why do we want to go out and sign a couple of Sydney rejects who probably most likely are not wanting to come here anyway??

Millertime now has the next 6 months to work out how to spend the cash and spend it wisely.

For all the doom and gloom here I feel the club got the best deal out of this.

We are not going into the market signing a player to replace Carney right now and paying the bloke overs in a hurried marriage of convenience.

We can head out into the market and be selective as to how we spend the cash and choose wisely with a plan in mind.

It's over to Millertime now not to **** it up and sign the right players

With you on this one bud, carney didnt wanna hang around so free up the cap space, blood some young blokes to see if they can handle the big time and move on to next year. This season is a write off in terms of finals football so not too worried bout losing a bloke who didnt want to be here

[lquiquer]

Personally I reckon this is ****ing great.

Carney is a lazy **** and I am glad to see the back of him.

To me the Management of the Jets have done themselves a good thing here.

We have rid ourselves of one of our highly paid players and freed up the salary cap noose that Muppet left us with.

Exactly why do we want to go out and sign a couple of Sydney rejects who probably most likely are not wanting to come here anyway??

Millertime now has the next 6 months to work out how to spend the cash and spend it wisely.

For all the doom and gloom here I feel the club got the best deal out of this.

We are not going into the market signing a player to replace Carney right now and paying the bloke overs in a hurried marriage of convenience.

We can head out into the market and be selective as to how we spend the cash and choose wisely with a plan in mind.

It's over to Millertime now not to **** it up and sign the right players

I can see your point but what piss me off is: Why Jerks don't come out and say from the start...."Thank you David, we not prepared to offer you a contract for next year. U free to go if you wish". No instead they take everybody for a ride (including 9K members) with shit like: We are in control here, u get Carney if we get 2 of your players, then it's Carney or Hoole......all crap talk as usual...... Quite frankly I'm just about done with jerks.....

[Hunter403]

How the hell does Sydney fit him under the cap? There must be a bucket load of quality players on almost nothing to fit him and his demands in.

We must be over paying all of our players. If so then we should be a choice destination 😈

[Bon]

He retired. Would be perfect for us... we need someone who is good on a cross.

Holy sh!t, well played.. :lulzturtle:

[belchardo]

How the hell does Sydney fit him under the cap? There must be a bucket load of quality players on almost nothing to fit him and his demands in.

We must be over paying all of our players. If so then we should be a choice destination 

Possibly signed cheap for a-league season with rest paid through ACL.

[Jetmaster]

Yeah...there is loophole with ACL remember. SFC had Spencer, Salley and Dura playing for them for short periods a while back.

[redwah]

Personally I reckon this is ****ing great.

Carney is a lazy **** and I am glad to see the back of him.

To me the Management of the Jets have done themselves a good thing here.

We have rid ourselves of one of our highly paid players and freed up the salary cap noose that Muppet left us with.

Exactly why do we want to go out and sign a couple of Sydney rejects who probably most likely are not wanting to come here anyway??

Millertime now has the next 6 months to work out how to spend the cash and spend it wisely.

For all the doom and gloom here I feel the club got the best deal out of this.

We are not going into the market signing a player to replace Carney right now and paying the bloke overs in a hurried marriage of convenience.

We can head out into the market and be selective as to how we spend the cash and choose wisely with a plan in mind.

It's over to Millertime now not to **** it up and sign the right players

I can't believe I'm writing this but.... No can't do it..... I totally agr..... No simply can not type the word in...... Oh well let's just say that's 1 in 8492.

[tomo]

Fvck Carney, time to give Brennan a crack at the big time

[turbojetfireV8]

The Caceres deal.

Gyppos have apparently just signed Hersi, so think they did better than us this window.

[halo se7en]

The Caceres deal.

How was that bad? They exploited a loophole that allowed a transfer to another a-league club & got paid in the process. Something we couldn't do.

[turbojetfireV8]

Personally I reckon this is ****ing great.

Carney is a lazy **** and I am glad to see the back of him.

To me the Management of the Jets have done themselves a good thing here.

We have rid ourselves of one of our highly paid players and freed up the salary cap noose that Muppet left us with.

Exactly why do we want to go out and sign a couple of Sydney rejects who probably most likely are not wanting to come here anyway??

Millertime now has the next 6 months to work out how to spend the cash and spend it wisely.

For all the doom and gloom here I feel the club got the best deal out of this.

We are not going into the market signing a player to replace Carney right now and paying the bloke overs in a hurried marriage of convenience.

We can head out into the market and be selective as to how we spend the cash and choose wisely with a plan in mind.

It's over to Millertime now not to **** it up and sign the right players

Not disagreeing with the sentiment here, but you make it sound like we have $800K to spend rather than $80K. ;) We need funds before we get too carried away with what we can realistically afford :D

I am glad we didn't get stuck with that overrated kokk Hoole again though (the endless pfaffing on from his Bieber-loving fan club as he runs up and down the line then delivers total shit passes or takes shots as limp as he is, did we really want that back??? does anyone really wonder why he barely rates in Smurfsville?)

The short end of the straw though is in that we only brought in two players when we need at this very moment perhaps four or more, without third party agreements etc we are never gonna have the funds to buy up like some of our rivals, and the depth of their squads make it obvious we'll always struggle to compete - can't see why FFA in its impotent wisdom didn't try to set us up for this, what's the use of being owned by them if they can't give us the kinda lifelines we really need to compete...

[baldrick]

I can't believe I'm writing this but.... No can't do it..... I totally agr..... No simply can not type the word in...... Oh well let's just say that's 1 in 8492.


Disappointed in you Red...

:p

[sammydog]

I can see your point but what piss me off is: Why Jerks don't come out and say from the start...."Thank you David, we not prepared to offer you a contract for next year. U free to go if you wish". No instead they take everybody for a ride (including 9K members) with shit like: We are in control here, u get Carney if we get 2 of your players, then it's Carney or Hoole......all crap talk as usual...... Quite frankly I'm just about done with jerks.....

This is the crux of the issue for me as well.

If they just released him, fine. But we were sold a bunch of bullshit about the club holding all the cards and leveraging them for our benefit. What changed in the end?

[halo se7en]

Personally I reckon this is ****ing great.

Carney is a lazy **** and I am glad to see the back of him.

To me the Management of the Jets have done themselves a good thing here.

We have rid ourselves of one of our highly paid players and freed up the salary cap noose that Muppet left us with.

Exactly why do we want to go out and sign a couple of Sydney rejects who probably most likely are not wanting to come here anyway??

Millertime now has the next 6 months to work out how to spend the cash and spend it wisely.

For all the doom and gloom here I feel the club got the best deal out of this.

We are not going into the market signing a player to replace Carney right now and paying the bloke overs in a hurried marriage of convenience.

We can head out into the market and be selective as to how we spend the cash and choose wisely with a plan in mind.

It's over to Millertime now not to **** it up and sign the right players

For the most part I agree - not sad to see him go. But clearly the Jets weren't planning this and that's the problem. As a few others have said, if they released him last week before the Adelaide omission and made it clear what the plan was, it might have easier to take.

But they didn't. They fed us bullshit about not being bullied and Miller was clearly after some players. They can't now come out and say the Jets did what was best for the club from the outset because they didn't.

Long term it's a good move, but all these short term disasters, whether it's PR, on-field, off-field or whatever will EVENTUALLY see the membership base piss off. The club is just lucky we've been so moronically resilient for so long.

I'll also add that if they had a ****ing brain they could have announced the loss of Carney at the same time as signing Nordstrand & introducing Ugarkovic. Two for one and we might have looked like we were better off. Now the goodwill from those two signings has all but disappeared.

[Pico]

Not disagreeing with the sentiment here, but you make it sound like we have $800K to spend rather than $80K. ;) We need funds before we get too carried away with what we can realistically afford :D

I am glad we didn't get stuck with that overrated kokk Hoole again though (the endless pfaffing on from his Bieber-loving fan club as he runs up and down the line then delivers total shit passes or takes shots as limp as he is, did we really want that back??? does anyone really wonder why he barely rates in Smurfsville?)

The short end of the straw though is in that we only brought in two players when we need at this very moment perhaps four or more, without third party agreements etc we are never gonna have the funds to buy up like some of our rivals, and the depth of their squads make it obvious we'll always struggle to compete - can't see why FFA in its impotent wisdom didn't try to set us up for this, what's the use of being owned by them if they can't give us the kinda lifelines we really need to compete...

I think you are missing the point the extra $80K can be rolled over in addition to the Max cap spend next year, plus Carneys current contract amount so essentially free up $300k next year. Then you look at the potential to utilise the other new cap exceptions and it starts adding up to a good quality player, or paying the overs required to get blokes across the line to move to a basketcase trying to rebuild.

All that only matter's though if we can get a new owner as the FFA ain't going to even contemplate anything over the salary floor.

[Mark325]

Now the issue is making the most of the salary cap space that got free'd up by Carney. Can the Jets be trusted to do that though is the real question. We need to make a big play for someone, start being ambitious with who we go for. I'd also say we gotta try and shift out a couple of other overpayed players, cause we didn't have Boogard or Carney against Adelaide last game, about 500,000 not on the pitch and you wouldn't know the difference.

[leftrightout]

next time we play sydney at home everyone give carney the reception he deserves. Also the icing on the cake when Arnie sees his defensive workrate he wont play a game for sydney

Yes because no doubt Arnie has no idea how Carney plays. Probably never even watched him hey... Seriously some of these comments are brilliant!

[Premy]

Can't wait for the Members Forum before next season.

[leftrightout]

Why is everyone saying its a good thing to have those funds in the cap to spend next year? What on earth has given you confidence that we can spend it wisely on a top player or two? Our previous record doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

[lquiquer]

Can't wait for the Members Forum before next season.

jerks might be facing empty chairs

[turbojetfireV8]

A-LEAGUE: David Carney leaves Jets to take up contract at Sydney FC

By JAMES GARDINER
Feb. 2, 2016, 8:49 p.m.

















GONE: David Carney. Picture: Jonathan Carroll
GONE: David Carney. Picture: Jonathan Carroll





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CHIEF executive David Eland insists that the decision to release David Carney is the best outcome for the Newcastle Jets.

Carney had the final four months of his contract mutually terminated on Tuesday, opening the way for the former Socceroo to join Sydney FC.

“It is a good outcome. Ultimately it was the only outcome,” Eland said.

“Clearly the player didn’t want to be here any more. He was disengaged and disgruntled.

“It became clear to us, and I think his omission on Saturday was reflective of where we were at.

“Having David remain in the squad was not going to be conducive to the team’s performance for the remainder of the year.

“It is certainly not in line with the culture we are trying to build at the club.”

Carney has been the Jets’ best player, scoring three goals and playing a hand in several others.

However, he has fallen out with coach Scott Miller in recent weeks and the Newcastle Herald has been told that the winger’s relationship with other members of the squad had strained.






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The Jets were in talks with Sydney about a player swap and had targeted the return of Andrew Hoole to his home town.

However, the 22-year-old turned down the approach and instead is determined to fight for his position at Sydney, where he is six months into an 18-month deal.

Several other Sydney players were discussed but were either unsuitable or not interested.

“Clearly the process has taken this long because that is what we have been trying to negotiate,” Eland said.

“I’m not going to talk about players Sydney were trying to put on the table.

“What you can read is that we have determined that we want flexibility in the future to contract players that our aligned to our strategy.”

Transfer fees are not permitted between A-League clubs.

Sydney FC, who sold Alex Gersbach to Norwegian champions Rosenborg BK on Monday for an estimated fee of $300,000, have signed Carney on an 18-month deal.

The Jets can stockpile the balance of Carney’s salary, believed to be about $80,000, to spend above the salary cap for the 2016-17 campaign.

“David stops being paid by the Newcastle Jets today,” Eland said.

“There are salary-cap banking provisions within the regulations. Looking to the future, clearly David’s release frees up a significant amount in next year’s salary cap.”

The Jets have recently added Olyroo Steve Ugarkovic and former Danish international Morten Nordstrand to the roster.

Nine other players are off contract, headed by imports Leonardo, Milos Trifunovic and Enver Alivodic, in-form goalkeeper Mark Birighitti and home-grown midfielder Ben Kantarovski.

Carney was told he was part of the club’s plans for next season but he would likely have to take a pay cut.

“We have a responsibility, particularly with our financial situation and the ownership model as it stands, to maximise the value of every dollar in our salary cap,” Eland said.

“David was signed initially as an Australian marquee. David and his management were very keen to negotiate a renewal with us.

“During those discussions we made it clear that David was part of our future plans, but we were going to negotiate on our terms, when we were ready, and it was likely that we would need to review his level of remuneration.”


http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3703157/jets-defend-decision-to-let-carney-go-free/?cs=12

[turbojetfireV8]

That's a fair enough response from Eland I guess (I'm not inferring it's believable, just not totally embarrassing :) ), makes it look like we didn't want to lose him but were trying to give him the chance to play ACL and to make it look like in the end we cut our losses (OK, few of us think we got anything less than shafted here, but that's what we've become accustomed to so we are more numb than totally gutted - as usual...)

[Thomas477]

Did anyone else know he was our Australian marquee?

[sammydog]

Did anyone else know he was our Australian marquee?

If thats the case, him leaving doesn't free up any salty cap.

[MFKS]

Did anyone else know he was our Australian marquee?

As it says initially.

We got him here when InZane was here and we had Heskey and The Fat **** was running up huge bills running the club and he was signed mid season exploiting a salary cap loophole

I would imagine some stage after this when The -Fat **** decided to trim costs he was bought in under the cap or when the FFA took over the carcass he was bought in under the cap as they were not spending any more than they had to

[skullboy]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3703157/jets-defend-decision-to-let-carney-go-free/?cs=12

Eland just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.

Don't sprinkle sugar on a turd and call it candy David.

This statement is bullshit from beginning to end.

"It is a good outcome"??? It could not possibly have been a worse outcome. We have given away our most productive attacking player in the middle of the season for nothing. What other club would do that? The club has clearly given up on this season, so all the bullshit about building a "never-say-die" culture was and is, just what they thought club members wanted to hear.

Banking $80,000 for next year's salary cap is of absolutely no value when the club isn't even spending the salary cap to start with this year. When did Carney become the Australian marquee? that has never been stated by the club before today to my knowledge.

To question Carney's commitment to the club is a joke. He was trying to get the club to extend his contract. Commitment like respect is a two-way street. For days the club has been saying Carney wasn't part of their plans for next year and all of a sudden today he was after all.

The club didn't want him for next year and thought they could get a beneficial outcome and in the end blame it all on Carney. It has backfired on them bigtime.

Is there any surprise no-one wants to come here? Not one Sydney player could be convinced to come here.

What really pisses me off is the FFA's complicity in this. They obviously knew that Shitney wanted Carney for their ACL campaign and they have orchestrated this bunfight like puppeteers to make sure Arnie got he wanted and we got nothing. C***s.

[Wilso8948]

I think what a lot of people are missing here is what would have happened if he stayed. Possibly train him alone and never pick him. But that would have caused division amongst the playing group and possibly had one or two players questioning Miller's leadership. This can spread within a club like wildfire. And in the end you have a player who wont be here next season and a playing group that has no confidence in the gaffer.

[Premy]

Eland just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.

Don't sprinkle sugar on a turd and call it candy David.

This statement is bullshit from beginning to end.

"It is a good outcome"??? It could not possibly have been a worse outcome. We have given away our most productive attacking player in the middle of the season for nothing. What other club would do that? The club has clearly given up on this season, so all the bullshit about building a "never-say-die" culture was and is, just what they thought club members wanted to hear.

Banking $80,000 for next year's salary cap is of absolutely no value when the club isn't even spending the salary cap to start with this year. When did Carney become the Australian marquee? that has never been stated by the club before today to my knowledge.

To question Carney's commitment to the club is a joke. He was trying to get the club to extend his contract. Commitment like respect is a two-way street. For days the club has been saying Carney wasn't part of their plans for next year and all of a sudden today he was after all.

The club didn't want him for next year and thought they could get a beneficial outcome and in the end blame it all on Carney. It has backfired on them bigtime.

Is there any surprise no-one wants to come here? Not one Sydney player could be convinced to come here.

What really pisses me off is the FFA's complicity in this. They obviously knew that Shitney wanted Carney for their ACL campaign and they have orchestrated this bunfight like puppeteers to make sure Arnie got he wanted and we got nothing. C***s.

A few things.
Its common knowledge that Carney original came here as Australian Marquee when that type of position still existed.
The Club offered him a contract, yes it was a pay cut but that's reasonable with an aging player.
"Productive attacking player" 3 goals in 37 games, that's real "Productive"
How do you know that the Club isn't spending the full cap? Thats not public knowledge.
After the last 2 years if you think FFA care one bit abut Newcastle then you are seriously delusional.

[Wilso8948]

In the end the bloke is mediocre at best. He's an average sized fish in an extremely small pond and playing here makes him look like one of our best. In my opinion Leaky G was a bigger loss then this bloke. I for one am happy to see the back of him. He's not the kind of player who will win you championships and he sure as hell hasn't been the player to even drag us into finals contention. Tada devon head.

[leftrightout]

In the end the bloke is mediocre at best. He's an average sized fish in an extremely small pond and playing here makes him look like one of our best. In my opinion Leaky G was a bigger loss then this bloke. I for one am happy to see the back of him. He's not the kind of player who will win you championships and he sure as hell hasn't been the player to even drag us into finals contention. Tada devon head.

To me its not about David Carney as a player and his ability. Its the fact we got absolutely screwed over by everyone. Mainly by our own board who have shown they cannot stand up for themselves.

I think i am out until a new owner comes in. I am just finding it such an effort to support this club right now.

[Wilso8948]

To me its not about David Carney as a player and his ability. Its the fact we got absolutely screwed over by everyone. Mainly by our own board who have shown they cannot stand up for themselves.

I think i am out until a new owner comes in. I am just finding it such an effort to support this club right now.

In the end it IS about his ability. We've let our rivals take two of our players in the past year.. Yes. But we have also let our rivals pay massive overs for two players who are mediocre at best and won't win them titles or trophies. Carney won't go to Sydney and set the world alight. So who cares. We don't even play them again this season. This deal was handed poorly Yes. But is it a poor deal? In my opinion ending up paying overs for some of Sydney's rejects would have been the poorer of the two options.

[Premy]

To me its not about David Carney as a player and his ability. Its the fact we got absolutely screwed over by everyone. Mainly by our own board who have shown they cannot stand up for themselves.

I think i am out until a new owner comes in. I am just finding it such an effort to support this club right now.
"Our Board"???? You mean FFA/SydneyFA

[plague]

In my opinion ending up paying overs for some of Sydney's rejects would have been the poorer of the two options.

This is a good opinion.

[rhysd]

We will never know the true story but looking in from the outside it is probably not hard to get an image for what really did go on.

Carney has had how many clubs now? No one will ever begrudge anyone for taking care of their families and looking out for the best bottom line which, as a footballer with limited earning potential, is always going to be a big reason as to why players move on. What rankles is the bs that poured out over dec/jan. This mystery Qatari interest was obviously nothing.

Look at the upside, we played significantly better on Sunday against Adelaide and took the game to the in-form Reds. This, without boogard and carney, spoke volumes for the fact we actually deserved a point out of the game.

If Miller/JP had inherited last seasons squad.. Griffiths, Neumann, Flores, Montano.. I am sure our position on the table would be different.

The other upside is that this will free up nearly 12% of the cap. Just think about that for even a second. Was carney that good?! HELL NO!

[Jetmaster]

Eland's comments reinforce for me that Carney and his agent have been acting like knobs behind the scenes. Being told that a contract would be negotiated at seasons end and being told it would be rightfully reduced is fine. It all then came down to the fact that Carney's committment to a club is measured in dollars.
Still angry that we got screwed over with the deal though....not good enough.

[Jetmaster]

And apart from media comments...did anyone from the club indicate he was not a part of future plans? This is something the Carney lovers (including Griff), have been playing on.

[rhysd]

And apart from media comments...did anyone from the club indicate he was not a part of future plans? This is something the Carney lovers (including Griff), have been playing on.

This.

[StannyCFCJET]

And apart from media comments...did anyone from the club indicate he was not a part of future plans? This is something the Carney lovers (including Griff), have been playing on.

ive heard a few times that Miller said something but never seen it personally just heresay and ive heard that Carney was trying to take over the training sessions and some of the squad wernt getting along with him anymore but again thats heresay

[Wilso8948]

There were a couple of comments he made after the Wellington game along the lines of.. It was my idea to change to 442 formation and clearly it worked.. etc. I remember it was in the post match interview with fox

[Jeterpool]

There were a couple of comments he made after the Wellington game along the lines of.. It was my idea to change to 442 formation and clearly it worked.. etc. I remember it was in the post match interview with fox

Carney or Miller said that?

[Wilso8948]

Carney.. It was something along the lines of "I've been saying to the manager for a while now we need to move to a 442 and it worked today". Not exact words but I do remember thinking jeez that's a bit outspoken

[BodyNovo]

oh well I guess if any of the other 20 blokes we have on contract want to leave they can, its obvious we are willing to bend over.

[Frodo]

ROFL, enjoy the traffic Cabbage.

Leave us the Hotdog cart and don't forget to wear a hat under those bright lights.

[Frodo]

oh well I guess if any of the other 20 blokes we have on contract want to leave they can, its obvious we are willing to bend over.

Welcome to Football BodyNovo. If you don't want to play somewhere your agent will find a way to get you out of there.

The only problem here is the fact that the FFA doesn't allow transfer fees between clubs. Even a measly $100k would've done.

[MFKS]

I can see your point but what piss me off is: Why Jerks don't come out and say from the start...."Thank you David, we not prepared to offer you a contract for next year. U free to go if you wish". No instead they take everybody for a ride (including 9K members) with shit like: We are in control here, u get Carney if we get 2 of your players, then it's Carney or Hoole......all crap talk as usual...... Quite frankly I'm just about done with jerks.....

I really don't see exactly what the club can do in this situation.

The power rests with the player who is out of contract soon

Carney has just used his bargaining power well to get what he wanted.

I severely doubt the Jets were even gonna offer him a new deal at all. Even if they did I could see it on reduced coin which obviously was not gonna sit well with Carney

If they waited to end of season and kept him here for 10 more games we have him causing disharmony amongst the group.
If we give him away now for nothing the club cops a pasting on social media from the fans

The club tried to get a player deal in exchange, Reality is I think all they wanted was Hoole to come home.

When he was reluctant or the costs got out of hand they pulled the pin on that plan.

As for taking other Smurfs players. Firstly Arnie is not gonna let us have Dmitrejevic Ninkovic Brosque etc Secondly then you are looking at his squaddies. Why do they want to come here, why do we want to sign them and how much OTT are their wages gonna be.

To me we had **** all bargaining power at all

Smurfs held a little and stood their ground

When midnight struck and he was not let go we had the problem of paying his wages for the next few months with an unhappy camper in the midst


We tried to bluff it wasn't bought we cut our losses salvaged something from the situation and move on.

The club may well have actually got the best deal out of this they could.


As for the clubs comments through the press. It is all bullshit talk anyway. to me the writing was on the wall 2 weeks ago Carney was not wanted and was gonna be on his way and the club has seen this coming and just can't be seen to come out lubricate their arse with vaso bend over and wear it.

[howardyou]

And apart from media comments...did anyone from the club indicate he was not a part of future plans? This is something the Carney lovers (including Griff), have been playing on.

Quote in the Herald today saying he was told he WAS part of club's plans but with financial restrictions in place (From FFA i assume), he would have to take a pay cut. This cuts in two ways for me:

- FFA: sort us out. This is a joke.

- Carney: Was it only ever about the $$$ for you? I know Footballers need to look after themselves financially, but after last years song and dance, this grates with me a little. After what happened last year with Stubbins, I'm not sure any other clubs would have afforded him the same opportunity. Loyalty is a two-way street.

[BodyNovo]

Welcome to Football BodyNovo. If you don't want to play somewhere your agent will find a way to get you out of there.

The only problem here is the fact that the FFA doesn't allow transfer fees between clubs. Even a measly $100k would've done.

perfect example for me

lewandowski last year of Dortmund contract. Bayern wanted him and they were willing to offer a fee (fair enough Sydney couldn't do this) Dortmund weighed up lewandowskis output against letting him leave for money (so for us its the extra 80k on the books). They decided that they didn't want to benefit a rival and lewandowskis output would be larger on the field then any fee for the last 12 months.

Carney while lazy is our best attacking player, I hate admitting it but its true. He has been involved in 80-90% of our goals. We have basically just admitted to the members and fans that this season is over and thanks for your money.

The club took the fans for a ride as well, telling everyone they were in a position of power.

[Premy]

Quote in the Herald today saying he was told he WAS part of club's plans but with financial restrictions in place (From FFA i assume), he would have to take a pay cut. This cuts in two ways for me:

- FFA: sort us out. This is a joke.

- Carney: Was it only ever about the $$$ for you? I know Footballers need to look after themselves financially, but after last years song and dance, this grates with me a little. After what happened last year with Stubbins, I'm not sure any other clubs would have afforded him the same opportunity. Loyalty is a two-way street.

Not to mention as Borat reminded us, before he came here he was doing sweet FA for 18 months.

Would love nothing more than to see him do an ACL next week and have to retire.

[Premy]

I'll say it a thousands times if Ihave to. FFA and FFA only are the reasonwhy we are in this mess.

[lquiquer]

We have basically just admitted to the members and fans that this season is over and thanks for your money.

The club took the fans for a ride as well, telling everyone they were in a position of power.

Taking their Members for a ride is in Jerks DNA (lies failure arrogance)

[borat]

Carney and his agent have acted like mercenaries that much is clear. Eland's comment that 12 months ago Carney insisted the club see out his contract yet then wants to walk when it suits him rings very true. Carney should have negotiated a deal with SFC for next season, as is his right, but played out his contract with us. Instead he snaked around and weaseled his way out of his contract.

But in saying that the club have made major mistakes in my opinion.

First the public statement they made when omitting Carney from the Adelaide game. It was true Carney was not committed and had already negotiated his deal with SFC, but publically to question his professionalism backed us into a corner. There was no turning back from there. The club should have said that Carney was omitted while discussions were ongoing. Simple, short and to the point. Privately what they really thought should have remained private while contracted to the Jets.

The second, of course, is after insisting that we would get a player swap to back down all for 80k is a joke. If the Jets could not get the players they wanted they should have just kept Carney. Instead they strengthen a rival and send a message to every player in the squad and other club that we can pushed around and stripped of our players whenever it suits them. All for 80k. What happens next time when its a younger player we want to keep. If we had of held firm, I beleive Arnie would have made it clearer to Hoole/Naumoff that he was willing to sacrifice them for Carney. Instead Arnie knew we would roll and we did not disappoint.

[Wilso8948]

perfect example for me

lewandowski last year of Dortmund contract. Bayern wanted him and they were willing to offer a fee (fair enough Sydney couldn't do this) Dortmund weighed up lewandowskis output against letting him leave for money (so for us its the extra 80k on the books). They decided that they didn't want to benefit a rival and lewandowskis output would be larger on the field then any fee for the last 12 months.

Carney while lazy is our best attacking player, I hate admitting it but its true. He has been involved in 80-90% of our goals. We have basically just admitted to the members and fans that this season is over and thanks for your money.

The club took the fans for a ride as well, telling everyone they were in a position of power.

Can tell you that if Carney was forced to stay his output would sure as shit be a lot less then the $80k he was going to be paid. The bloke is average at best. Signs for a rival that we don't play again this season. Hell he may even keep us off the bottom of the table if he's such the player you keep banging on about. If you're happy to say that David Carney is the highest paid player and best performer at your club then have fun at the bottom of the table for many more years to come. He'll be past his best next season aswell.

I do agree with you though that the club has basically waved the white flag this season. I for one am not too upset as I've always reserved my judgement for Miller and co until next season (although this was under the impression we'd at least have an owner by now)

[Wilso8948]

The second, of course, is after insisting that we would get a player swap to back down all for 80k is a joke. If the Jets could not get the players they wanted they should have just kept Carney. Instead they strengthen a rival and send a message to every player in the squad and other club that we can pushed around and stripped of our players whenever it suits them. All for 80k. What happens next time when its a younger player we want to keep. If we had of held firm, I beleive Arnie would have made it clearer to Hoole/Naumoff that he was willing to sacrifice them for Carney. Instead Arnie knew we would roll and we did not disappoint.

The bloke would have become a cancer in the squad. Do you not see how he conducts himself with his own contracts that he would be the exact same snake in and around team mates? There is already talks of a rift between players. In my opinion it isn't about the $80k theyve saved.. It the farce that they have saved themselves from by going into damage control.
Also you can't just tell a contracted player like Hoole or Naumoff to go elsewhere if they are happy where they are and will not leave.

[RAM]

Its always "next season" though... Coming on 10 years of re-building.

****ing pathetic.

Carney had to go, we've freed up cap money and a measley $80K. We've got no fresh blood. Carney wasn't anything flash, but he did give us some creativity and a bit of quality that we lack. We now have a squad of youngsters who aren't up to it and mature players who are squadies or injury prone (no judgment on the Dane yet). What a way to finish the season.

Need a big turnaround in the off-season with some quality coming in, but this has been the case for years and never really happens. No doubt we'll pick up some AIS kids and some HAL rejects and cobble together a mediocre at best 2016/17 finish of 10th to 6th. Fun times.

[Frodo]

The second, of course, is after insisting that we would get a player swap to back down all for 80k is a joke. If the Jets could not get the players they wanted they should have just kept Carney. Instead they strengthen a rival and send a message to every player in the squad and other club that we can pushed around and stripped of our players whenever it suits them. All for 80k. What happens next time when its a younger player we want to keep. If we had of held firm, I beleive Arnie would have made it clearer to Hoole/Naumoff that he was willing to sacrifice them for Carney. Instead Arnie knew we would roll and we did not disappoint.

I don't agree with this at all. Would you rather strengthen a "rival" or weaken our own squad? Because those are your 2 choices. Keeping him only had 1 outcome and it was entirely negative for us and Cabbage.

We lose if we keep him because, unless the entire squad hates him, once players see him training by himself they will start to pick sides and some form of mutiny will happen like last year. At least this way we keep the harmony of the squad and get a little bit of money. I think if this means Crowley, Pav or Brennan get a run in the side and some game time then i'll call it a win for us.

[MFKS]

I don't agree with this at all. Would you rather strengthen a "rival" or weaken our own squad? Because those are your 2 choices. Keeping him only had 1 outcome and it was entirely negative for us and Cabbage.

We lose if we keep him because, unless the entire squad hates him, once players see him training by himself they will start to pick sides and some form of mutiny will happen like last year. At least this way we keep the harmony of the squad and get a little bit of money. I think if this means Crowley, Pav or Brennan get a run in the side and some game time then i'll call it a win for us.

Bang on.

I love bagging these ****s at the club.

This time they have **** all to be held accountable for




Unfortunately in this situation the power is all with Carney and the Smurfs. They are the ones holding the good cards

We were not really in a position to do more than bluff.

We were holding **** all and when we got called on it we folded and took what we could get.



The problem lies we let a player get to the back end of his contract and gave him the opportunity to play the game this way.
Is it really a problem anyway??

I for one wouldn't keep him as I feel we can get better players than him that cost less.


Up to Millertime now to find them

[Guerny]

Sadly enough, there aren't any players coming off contract who if they moved on i would lose any sleep over...

[ForeverRed]

I love how Arnold ****ing owns Miller, first game we played Sydney and Miller tries to him how his team should play, laughable, then Miller tells us his driving the bus during the carney negotiations with Sydney, arnie tells Miller to move over and let a real coach drive, Scot Miller, owned by arnie

[halo se7en]

I love how Arnold ****ing owns Miller, first game we played Sydney and Miller tries to him how his team should play, laughable, then Miller tells us his driving the bus during the carney negotiations with Sydney, arnie tells Miller to move over and let a real coach drive, Scot Miller, owned by arnie

Yeah because this was Miller v Arnold and absolutely no other person was involved.

[foti68]

Its always "next season" though... Coming on 10 years of re-building.

****ing pathetic.

Carney had to go, we've freed up cap money and a measley $80K. We've got no fresh blood. Carney wasn't anything flash, but he did give us some creativity and a bit of quality that we lack. We now have a squad of youngsters who aren't up to it and mature players who are squadies or injury prone (no judgment on the Dane yet). What a way to finish the season.

Need a big turnaround in the off-season with some quality coming in, but this has been the case for years and never really happens. No doubt we'll pick up some AIS kids and some HAL rejects and cobble together a mediocre at best 2016/17 finish of 10th to 6th. Fun times.

The club should of had the balls to sit Carney out for the rest of the season, their not going to spend the 80k next year anyway.

[Frodo]

I love how Arnold ****ing owns Miller, first game we played Sydney and Miller tries to him how his team should play, laughable, then Miller tells us his driving the bus during the carney negotiations with Sydney, arnie tells Miller to move over and let a real coach drive, Scot Miller, owned by arnie

Arnie had di&k all to do with this. Please don't inflate his already overblown ego as a decent coach. Carney wanted to move. Sydney FC said "yeah, if you can get out of your contract we will match your wages". Cabbage had a cry and we said "piss off". He now plays for Sydney. Simples.

Miller also had next to no input in this situation other than saying he isn't in the squad as soon as he said he wanted to go to Sydney. Which was the correct decision it seems both on the weekend and now that he has moved on.

[Frodo]

The club should of had the balls to sit Carney out for the rest of the season, their not going to spend the 80k next year anyway.

What does that do other than create rifts between players and coaching staff? His mates will back him, others will hate him for it, those two sets of players then square off and the coach has 3-5 players who won't play together? That's a brilliant plan.

To all those who say we should have been big tough men and sat him in a corner to think about how naughty he was.. put your egos away and think about what's best for the team.

[furns]

From what I have been able to decipher from the various reports it looks like Dave wanted to stay until Miller told him he wouldnt be resigned at the same wage. Reports then surfaced regarding the Qatar and SFC interest, which I believe was agent talk to try to force the Jets to keep the same or increase the contract. Once Dave realised it wasn't going to change the Jets position, then he decided to force the transfer and started acting the dick which is when those reports began to circulate.
Simply put, Dave valued himself higher than the Jets did.

When you get to this point - what do you do? Keep him to play out his contract or get rid straight away.

Just my interpretation, it may not be accurate.

[The Camel]

From what I have been able to decipher from the various reports it looks like Dave wanted to stay until Miller told him he wouldnt be resigned at the same wage. Reports then surfaced regarding the Qatar and SFC interest, which I believe was agent talk to try to force the Jets to keep the same or increase the contract. Once Dave realised it wasn't going to change the Jets position, then he decided to force the transfer and started acting the dick which is when those reports began to circulate.
Simply put, Dave valued himself higher than the Jets did.

When you get to this point - what do you do? Keep him to play out his contract or get rid straight away.

Just my interpretation, it may not be accurate.

I am with you on that. And if that is the case then you cannot blame the club. No way he should have been offered an extension on his current wage and if releasing him now stops a massive cancer spreading through the club for the remainder of the year due to Dave's poor attitude if he had been kept on, then so be it.

[lquiquer]

When you get to this point - what do you do? Keep him to play out his contract or get rid straight away.


To the sandpit

[WolfMan]

Sadly enough, there aren't any players coming off contract who if they moved on i would lose any sleep over...

Birrighitti?

[rhysd]

Birrighitti?

I'd be happy if they used some of that 80k to keep birraz.

[Jetmaster]

Would love to find out who are the teammates he was offside with. That would indicate alot.

[MFKS]

Would love to find out who are the teammates he was offside with. That would indicate alot.

Hard to tell with his infield demeanour he never looked like he was playing for his fans teammates or the shirt

Could be any of them

Best bet though is the Hoff as he most likely got sick and tired of not getting any assistance in defence from him

[Jetmaster]

Carney is a khunt....


David Carney signs for Sydney FC with a swipe at the Newcastle Jets teammates he left behind


HIS tone was gentle but David Carney’s summation of why he wanted to trade Newcastle for Sydney FC was as direct and dangerous as a freekick delivered with his left foot.

The ink on his new 18-month contract at the Sky Blues barely dry, Carney sat down to discuss why he had agitated for a move from the Jets, where he had been comfortably his side’s best, and forced through a deadline-day exit in order to rejoin the club where his senior career began more than a decade ago.

Quietly noting that playing with his former teammates at the Jets “you can get flat”, Carney said that after an hour and a half of training “it’s two very different sides ... training (here) reminded me of the Socceroos again.”

Carney is likely to go straight into the side to face Adelaide on Friday, seeking to reignite a Sydney side raggedly beaten 3-1 by Brisbane last Friday and avoid falling to sixth place on the ladder.

Insisting he had not had a falling out with Jets boss Scott Miller, Carney said he had “given everything” for Newcastle — but now he had a different level of motivation.

“I love Sydney, it’s where I’m from, and I just want to kick on now,” he said. “When you’re in a good team it keeps you on edge. With Newcastle, just with the quality of players compared to here, you can get flat. With here it gives me that next step to be with better players and thrive, to enjoy my football again.

“It was just a great feeling being out there again today, the way training was reminded me of the Socceroos again. I feel like, compared with Newcastle, it’s two very different sides. It suits me better, I like to keep the ball.”

The return to Sydney marks another point in a 10-club career best described as nomadic, though Carney noted that three shoulder reconstructions hadn’t helped his cause. Claiming to be joining the “biggest club in Australia” — a label several others might claim — Carney said it was a homecoming he had long sought. David Carney believes the Jets compare unfavourably with Sydney FC.

“When it got down to the last day (of the transfer window), I was a bit worried because I definitely wanted to come,” he said.

“I’ve worked with Arnie before, and it’s just the quality of players in the whole squad. I wanted to get in a squad like that, to get the winning feeling again and have the ambition to go forward.

“It’s probably the biggest club in Australia and I want to be a part of that, especially with the Asian Champions League coming up. With the squad we’ve got we can really compete. It’s also like coming home, it’s where it all started with me. We won the league first season, so there are great memories.

“Before I went to Newcastle I always thought I’d end my career at Sydney. I wanted a last hurrah, and do something in the last days of my career. I gave everything for the Jets and I think I played a part in most of their goals. I feel like I did my part for Newcastle, so I don’t think they would stand in my way, they knew it was a better opportunity.

“I didn’t have any bad blood with Scott Miller at the end.”

[halo se7en]

Hard to tell with his infield demeanour he never looked like he was playing for his fans teammates or the shirt

Could be any of them

Best bet though is the Hoff as he most likely got sick and tired of not getting any assistance in defence from him

I remember the Hoff seemed pretty pissed with him from the FFA Cup game against Perth - the amount of times he'd gallop down that right side and wait for the ball as he passed Carney, then Carney would cut in on his left and the play would be over. At that point though, I'm not sure anyone cared that Hoff wasn't getting the ball :rof:

[q-money]

lol f*ck this guy

[WolfMan]

Like it or not, old Devon Head isn't telling us anything we don't already know.

Our squad would have to be one of the lowest in terms of quality in the league.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Arshavin released, get him in millsy

[Couscous]

I'm proud of the Jets for resisting signing Matt Simon.

If that was an option.

[q-money]

arshavin in

[Jeterpool]

http://youtu.be/gr_K_xEAGfg

[Hunter403]

http://youtu.be/gr_K_xEAGfg

Gold. Such a shame it is no longer on.

[StannyCFCJET]

http://youtu.be/gr_K_xEAGfg

love how it highlights how much a whinger wenger is. Really miss this show

[stopper2]

Arshavin released, get him in millsy

Buckleys chance as long as FFA are in control of the $$$

[riverboy]

I agree with millers coments recently about stability.

The jets cant afford another mass rebuild. A 5-6 player turnaround would be ideal. Keeper stocks are solid, the defence has a sound base, a new left back required.

Midfield is a problem area, so is upfront.

The visa positions will probably be the area where big changes occur

[MFKS]

I agree with millers coments recently about stability.

The jets cant afford another mass rebuild. A 5-6 player turnaround would be ideal. Keeper stocks are solid, the defence has a sound base, a new left back required.

Midfield is a problem area, so is upfront.

The visa positions will probably be the area where big changes occur

Disagree

We are well short of standard in this comp.

No offence but no manager in the world is gonna be achieving shit with our squad.

Add 5-6 players and we may get up to manfully fighting for 7th.

We need about a dozen at end of season.

Anything less is not gonna cut it

[The Dunster]

Disagree

We are well short of standard in this comp.

No offence but no manager in the world is gonna be achieving shit with our squad.

Add 5-6 players and we may get up to manfully fighting for 7th.

We need about a dozen at end of season.

Anything less is not gonna cut it

Absolutely.

I'd rather the club was unstable and in the top four than stable in Millers terms and contenders for the wooden spoon.

[The Dunster]

We will never know the true story but looking in from the outside it is probably not hard to get an image for what really did go on.

Carney has had how many clubs now? No one will ever begrudge anyone for taking care of their families and looking out for the best bottom line which, as a footballer with limited earning potential, is always going to be a big reason as to why players move on. What rankles is the bs that poured out over dec/jan. This mystery Qatari interest was obviously nothing.

The player managers have got you hook line and sinker. Like anyone else in society there is no reason why a footballer cannot retrain themselves or find some other type of employment when their career ends. Instead, these khunts cry foul because they believe they should only have to work fifteen years or so then retire before they turn 35.

It's a disgraceful attitude from the players and their managers and it's no wonder the fans feel completely disconnected from them.

It's Ok in their minds for the fans to work until they are seventy but not players.

No wonder these khunts are so ****ing useless. They have absolutely no idea.

Elitist attitudes from khunts that in a lot of cases need to wake up to themselves and be thankful they get to do what they enjoy for a living unlike a lot of people that are not so lucky.

[redwah]

Disagree

We are well short of standard in this comp.

No offence but no manager in the world is gonna be achieving shit with our squad.

Add 5-6 players and we may get up to manfully fighting for 7th.

We need about a dozen at end of season.

Anything less is not gonna cut it

Where is anyone going to find a dozen players to lift the quality and standard to finals quality? Better still how are we going to get them to come here with very little money to spend on them?

[MFKS]

Where is anyone going to find a dozen players to lift the quality and standard to finals quality? Better still how are we going to get them to come here with very little money to spend on them?

By doing his ****ing job.

Not rocket science is it??

Remember he is the bloke paid the big $$ to Manage the club.

Time for him to do his job

[redwah]

By doing his ****ing job.

Not rocket science is it??

Remember he is the bloke paid the big $$ to Manage the club.

Time for him to do his job

Name half a dozen and the costs?

[hawk]

The player managers have got you hook line and sinker. Like anyone else in society there is no reason why a footballer cannot retrain themselves or find some other type of employment when their career ends. Instead, these khunts cry foul because they believe they should only have to work fifteen years or so then retire .

here here,

so many tear jerkers pretending to be worried about player welfare. most take the biggest bucks. fk them if they leave

[riverboy]

Disagree

We are well short of standard in this comp.

No offence but no manager in the world is gonna be achieving shit with our squad.

Add 5-6 players and we may get up to manfully fighting for 7th.

We need about a dozen at end of season.

Anything less is not gonna cut it

Good to see this poor squad get a result. Would 5-6 extra quality players take them backwards??

[scarfy96]

Some interesting squad choices for next week, nice for Miller to have some options to consider.

Does Kitto come back in for Cooper (I hope not!)
Does Noddy start? (If so at who's expense?)
Does Kanta take Watsons place on the bench? (Cause can't see Kanta ousting either Stevie U or Poljak on yesterdays performance).

If Noddy does start do we change formation? I suspect he will start one more game from the bench, he still tired fairly quickly and clearly isn't match fit. Could be looking for 60min from him against Welly.

Hmmmm Leonardo, Milos and Noddy on together. That has to create a few defensive headaches!

[The Camel]

Some interesting squad choices for next week, nice for Miller to have some options to consider.

Does Kitto come back in for Cooper (I hope not!)
Does Noddy start? (If so at who's expense?)
Does Kanta take Watsons place on the bench? (Cause can't see Kanta ousting either Stevie U or Poljak on yesterdays performance).

If Noddy does start do we change formation? I suspect he will start one more game from the bench, he still tired fairly quickly and clearly isn't match fit. Could be looking for 60min from him against Welly.

Hmmmm Leonardo, Milos and Noddy on together. That has to create a few defensive headaches!

If it were me Nobby starts in behind Milos, Leonardo on the left and Cooper on the right (with mid game rotation of positions between these three). Alidovic gets dropped to the bench. Kanta or Poljak starts alongside Ugarkovic, with Kanta or Poljak on the bench instead of Watson. Back four remains as yesterday with Jackson on the bench, Birraz in goals with BK on the bench. Kitto gets remaining Bench spot in place of Pav.

[Frodo]

If it were me Nobby starts in behind Milos, Leonardo on the left and Cooper on the right (with mid game rotation of positions between these three). Alidovic gets dropped to the bench. Kanta or Poljak starts alongside Ugarkovic, with Kanta or Poljak on the bench instead of Watson. Back four remains as yesterday with Jackson on the bench, Birraz in goals with BK on the bench. Kitto gets remaining Bench spot in place of Pav.

i'd be very surprised if Alivodic was benched, he has been playing well and Miller trusts him. I think Morty and Leo will be interchanging until they get matchfit. I would say we leave the starting 11 exactly the same. Why change if it worked well, Brisbane play similar to Citeh don't they? Not great defence but plenty good on transition and counter?

[The Camel]

i'd be very surprised if Alivodic was benched, he has been playing well and Miller trusts him. I think Morty and Leo will be interchanging until they get matchfit. I would say we leave the starting 11 exactly the same. Why change if it worked well, Brisbane play similar to Citeh don't they? Not great defence but plenty good on transition and counter?

You and I disagree on the definition of 'playing well'. IMO he is the worst player on the pitch pretty much most weeks.

[Wilso8948]

The bloke is honkin'. Works hard.. But still honkin'

[borat]

You and I disagree on the definition of 'playing well'. IMO he is the worst player on the pitch pretty much most weeks.
You aren't watching the game closely then.

Alivodic seems to either deliver diamonds or turds. Some games the balance shifts either way but his diamonds are superb and not many can produce it.

Watch the City game again. Alivodic's defence splitting pass to Nobby in the 2nd goal was sublime, better than Nobby's assist pass.

[redwah]

No way in hell for Leonardo wide..... We go straight back to Devon head type defending.... Leave him at 10.

[Frodo]

You and I disagree on the definition of 'playing well'. IMO he is the worst player on the pitch pretty much most weeks.

Thats cool. Leonardo seems to have the best chemistry with him. He is the only player we have who knows how to make an attacking run and can at times have a great touch. I'll concede that sometimes he stuffs up simple passes and dribbles but he does his job better than the alternatives. Someone already commented on it, but his pass to release Morty was superb, as was Morty's assist.

[Mark325]

Thats cool. Leonardo seems to have the best chemistry with him. He is the only player we have who knows how to make an attacking run and can at times have a great touch. I'll concede that sometimes he stuffs up simple passes and dribbles but he does his job better than the alternatives. Someone already commented on it, but his pass to release Morty was superb, as was Morty's assist.

Issue is I feel that using an import spot on Enver is where I don't feel he cuts it. You gotta judge imports on a different curve then you do Aussies, and for me Enver doesn't do enough to justify being one of five imports. Same reason I'd say Poljak needs to go, it's an import spot and our imports need to be some of the better players on the pitch. Milos has 8 goals, Leo is a great player if he stays healthy and gets match fit which looks to be happening and so far Nobby is looking the goods. Replace Poljak for another centre mid and use the other foreign spot on a LB and then sign an aussie winger

[halo se7en]

Issue is I feel that using an import spot on Enver is where I don't feel he cuts it. You gotta judge imports on a different curve then you do Aussies, and for me Enver doesn't do enough to justify being one of five imports. Same reason I'd say Poljak needs to go, it's an import spot and our imports need to be some of the better players on the pitch. Milos has 8 goals, Leo is a great player if he stays healthy and gets match fit which looks to be happening and so far Nobby is looking the goods. Replace Poljak for another centre mid and use the other foreign spot on a LB and then sign an aussie winger

I agree that imports need to be a lot better than the locals, and I think Alivodic is not offering a lot when considered as an import, but this thinking should only apply when signing/re-signing. Once they're here and signed, and we're stuck with them for a season, I don't think the curve applies anymore. They only need to be marginally better than the other options to get the starting spot. At this point, Alivodic is still a marginally better option than what we have on the bench. Unless he has an amazing 9(?) games to round out the season, I can't see his stay in Newy continuing.

[Mark325]

I agree that imports need to be a lot better than the locals, and I think Alivodic is not offering a lot when considered as an import, but this thinking should only apply when signing/re-signing. Once they're here and signed, and we're stuck with them for a season, I don't think the curve applies anymore. They only need to be marginally better than the other options to get the starting spot. At this point, Alivodic is still a marginally better option than what we have on the bench. Unless he has an amazing 9(?) games to round out the season, I can't see his stay in Newy continuing.

Id personally give him half the time if that. He hasn't impressed so far, and if he doesn't impress in the next few games and we know we aren't keeping him around Id rather start Cooper instead knowing he'll be here next season

[Frodo]

Issue is I feel that using an import spot on Enver is where I don't feel he cuts it. You gotta judge imports on a different curve then you do Aussies, and for me Enver doesn't do enough to justify being one of five imports. Same reason I'd say Poljak needs to go, it's an import spot and our imports need to be some of the better players on the pitch. Milos has 8 goals, Leo is a great player if he stays healthy and gets match fit which looks to be happening and so far Nobby is looking the goods. Replace Poljak for another centre mid and use the other foreign spot on a LB and then sign an aussie winger

Well you made a solid point and then ruined it straight away. Leonardo can't last 90 minutes and turned the ball over more than anyone else, including Cowburn. If anyone was honking on the weekend it was Leo. He even threw a patty when he got substituted?? Enver was involved in both goals we scored and did more defensive work. I'm not saying that Leo shouldn't be resigned next year because i really like him but if you are grading our players on their productivity then Enver deserves it more than Leo.

Poljak is a defensive midfielder and it's very easy to miss all the good things he does for this team. If we don't have Poljak you are stuck with either Watson who can't pass or defend, Kanta who can't pass and fouls even more than Poljak or Cowburn who isn't ready to sit deep and hold his position well enough yet. Cowburn could be a very good option next year beside Urga. But the other two aren't good enough defensively and pass about as well as Poljak. If Leo can stay fit and the other 3 stay next year then by all means look for a stronger player. Until then just watch what he does off the ball and write it down to show Kanta how to be a more useful member of a midfield partnership. I don't think Watson is smart enough to read so just give him some crayons or something.

[Frodo]

Id personally give him half the time if that. He hasn't impressed so far, and if he doesn't impress in the next few games and we know we aren't keeping him around Id rather start Cooper instead knowing he'll be here next season

Cooper has had one good game this season. He is fighting with a player we plucked from the VPL and that everyone has slagged off pretty hard since he arrived and not comfortably winning. He has a long way to go before he earns a starting spot. I was so looking forward to seeing him have a breakout year as well, i'm so disappointed in him this year. Fingers crossed tho that he turns this weekends performance into a run of quality games for the rest of the year and locks down that left wing spot.

[Beeen]

Mullen sucked
Cowburn was average
Leo didn't suck
Mortyyyyy :lulzturtle:

[Mark325]

Well you made a solid point and then ruined it straight away. Leonardo can't last 90 minutes and turned the ball over more than anyone else, including Cowburn. If anyone was honking on the weekend it was Leo. He even threw a patty when he got substituted?? Enver was involved in both goals we scored and did more defensive work. I'm not saying that Leo shouldn't be resigned next year because i really like him but if you are grading our players on their productivity then Enver deserves it more than Leo.

Poljak is a defensive midfielder and it's very easy to miss all the good things he does for this team. If we don't have Poljak you are stuck with either Watson who can't pass or defend, Kanta who can't pass and fouls even more than Poljak or Cowburn who isn't ready to sit deep and hold his position well enough yet. Cowburn could be a very good option next year beside Urga. But the other two aren't good enough defensively and pass about as well as Poljak. If Leo can stay fit and the other 3 stay next year then by all means look for a stronger player. Until then just watch what he does off the ball and write it down to show Kanta how to be a more useful member of a midfield partnership. I don't think Watson is smart enough to read so just give him some crayons or something.

Leo does lose the ball often, but his skill and ability to beat players is incredible. I'm willing to give Leo the rest of the season now that his match fitness is back up to prove himself, where as Enver has played nearly every minute of the season and rarely impressed. Now, regardless of if I feel he should be in the starting, I know he will be and im willing to give him the chance to impress.

Of the options we have Poljak is realistically better, but Id like to see how Kanta goes next to Uga cause it could be the match.

[Mark325]

Cooper has had one good game this season. He is fighting with a player we plucked from the VPL and that everyone has slagged off pretty hard since he arrived and not comfortably winning. He has a long way to go before he earns a starting spot. I was so looking forward to seeing him have a breakout year as well, i'm so disappointed in him this year. Fingers crossed tho that he turns this weekends performance into a run of quality games for the rest of the year and locks down that left wing spot.


Id say Coops hasn't had enough chances to prove himself this season though. Last season he looked like he earned the starting spot, and since then he's had no chance. Same thing has been said on the podcast many times, but hook anyone in the mids in that city game, it wasn't just Coops who was playing shit. Since then he's had a few runs off the bench, and looked good as well as playing damn well against City. If we lose this season definitevly, and we're not resigning Enver then play someone else cause why not get someone some football who will be here next year

[Frodo]

Id say Coops hasn't had enough chances to prove himself this season though. Last season he looked like he earned the starting spot, and since then he's had no chance. Same thing has been said on the podcast many times, but hook anyone in the mids in that city game, it wasn't just Coops who was playing shit. Since then he's had a few runs off the bench, and looked good as well as playing damn well against City. If we lose this season definitevly, and we're not resigning Enver then play someone else cause why not get someone some football who will be here next year

Yeah, i understand your point. But i don't see any reason why Enver should be let go and either way the left wing is open for Cooper/Kitto to fight for. Morty looks like he will play through the middle. Either up top or in behind instead of Leo..

Of our imports i honestly don't see Leo staying and unless we shower Milos with love i can see him moving on as well, going off their respective CVs that is. I'd be happy if they stay tho.

[RAM]

Poljak is so underrated

[Grimario]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3726566/themba-heads-back-to-sydney/

Well, that frees something up, doesn't it?

[Jeterpool]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3726566/themba-heads-back-to-sydney/

Well, that frees something up, doesn't it?

I wonder, has the Carney money been used to terminate this player?

Parris also mentioned Brennan, Lundy and Barresi sticking around. He has a keen interest in the Youth because I think he has a link to the team. Is it his son, Finn, who plays for them?

[ruddah]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3726566/themba-heads-back-to-sydney/

Well, that frees something up, doesn't it?

I watched him all Yth League season, and he was never going to crack the A-League. Just never stepped up as a contracted player.

Brennan hardly played this season. Ppl are screaming on fb etc to play him, but even late in the yth season when he did play, you could see he was till nowhere near match fit.

Glad we cut Themba.

[The Camel]

I wonder, has the Carney money been used to terminate this player?

Parris also mentioned Brennan, Lundy and Barresi sticking around. He has a keen interest in the Youth because I think he has a link to the team. Is it his son, Finn, who plays for them?

Sounded in the article that we may not have had to pay him out completely, I took it as he wanted out to go play NPL in Sydney.

[hawk]

Parris also mentioned Brennan, Lundy and Barresi sticking around. He has a keen interest in the Youth because I think he has a link to the team. Is it his son, Finn, who plays for them?

Yep

[The Dunster]

Sounded in the article that we may not have had to pay him out completely, I took it as he wanted out to go play NPL in Sydney.

I interpreted the article the same way. Player wanted to leave and club agreed to release him.

[GazFish35]

Mutual termination = no pay out.


I thnk.

[weston]

Mutual termination = no pay out.


I thnk.

I think it's an agreed amount. Which very well may be nothing if both parties agree to it.

[Grimario]

Mutual termination = no pay out.


I thnk.

Nah, not quite. Just means they came to a mutual agreement about how much he would get of what he had on his contract. It could have been as little as nothing or saying we would pay out the rest of this season, it could be as much as his entire deal.

[borat]

Down to 20 contracted players now so any other departures will need to be replaced.

Losing Themba is good for the squad and strengthens the case to re-sign Kanta. You would think Lundy and Baressi will be gone at the end of the season.

Of the off contract players

Let go

Lundy
Barresi
Watson
Alivodic

And the wait and see how they perform over the last 9 games

Trifunovic
Leonardo
Kitto
Nobby

Must re-sign list

Birraz
Kanta
Hoffman

Priority will need to sign a LB and a foreign replacement for Enver

[Premy]

Nah, not quite. Just means they came to a mutual agreement about how much he would get of what he had on his contract. It could have been as little as nothing or saying we would pay out the rest of this season, it could be as much as his entire deal.
Correct me if I'm wrong but any payout is included in the cap?

[Grimario]

Correct me if I'm wrong but any payout is included in the cap?

Yep. Depending on how much, maybe they could have squeezed some of his payout (if any) for next year into this years cap leaving us the whole cap (that we won't spend) next year.

[Premy]

Down to 20 contracted players now so any other departures will need to be replaced.

Losing Themba is good for the squad and strengthens the case to re-sign Kanta. You would think Lundy and Baressi will be gone at the end of the season.

Of the off contract players

Let go

Lundy
Barresi
Watson
Alivodic

And the wait and see how they perform over the last 9 games

Trifunovic
Leonardo
Kitto
Nobby

Must re-sign list

Birraz
Kanta
Hoffman

Priority will need to sign a LB and a foreign replacement for Enver
Basically my same thoughts.
Although I'm ready to cut Leo now. I feel his just not worth the risk, his missed close to half the season due to injury or fitness.
With Nobby to have a full pre-season after having the rest of this season to settle into Australian Football/Life at this point time is a better option than Leo.

[Guerny]

I'd move Alivodic to the "wait n see" list.

I don't know what Kanta's done to be a "must re-sign".
Especially now that Poljak and Urga could possibly be called our first choice DMs.

just my 2c,
G

[q-money]

Although I'm ready to cut Leo now

seriously? remember that leo got clamped by that gypo and was out through no fault of his own for much of that time

we've looked tons better with him in the squad in the past two weeks. let the rest of the year be the guide imo