SQUAD FOR 2015/16 SEASON - no Griff, no party

[borat]

I'd move Alivodic to the "wait n see" list.

I don't know what Kanta's done to be a "must re-sign".
Especially now that Poljak and Urga could possibly be called our first choice DMs.

just my 2c,
G
Must sign is the wrong choice of words. I more mean should be offered a new deal.

Kanta can comfortably play both DM and CB which makes him highly valuable in that you are basically needing 2 players if you lose him. You want 4 CBs and 4 DMs in your squad but with Kanta we can get away with 7 players for the 4 positions.

I actually quite like Enver and certainly don't think he is nearly as bad as his detractors will have you think. Made the HAL team of the week and still got pasted on here. BUT in saying that, has been here long enough to see what he offers and am confident enough that Scott Miller can recruit a quality replacement. The question then will be what position do we look to strengthen. We could replace like for like but with a really pacey wide man or sign Kitto to replace Enver and then look for a foreign No 6. That option would be good but unlikely as long as we also have Poljak

For mine Nobby still needs to make the starting team by year end and perform to be re-signed as I don't believe we should be signing any foreign player to sit on the bench.

[borat]

Nah, not quite. Just means they came to a mutual agreement about how much he would get of what he had on his contract. It could have been as little as nothing or saying we would pay out the rest of this season, it could be as much as his entire deal.. You would think he received the remainder of this seasons income and hopefully very little of next years

[sammydog]

seriously? remember that leo got clamped by that gypo and was out through no fault of his own for much of that time

we've looked tons better with him in the squad in the past two weeks. let the rest of the year be the guide imo

Exactly, there was no issue at all with his fitness until he was chopped down. He has struggled to catch up after that incident.

[Mark325]

Must sign is the wrong choice of words. I more mean should be offered a new deal.

Kanta can comfortably play both DM and CB which makes him highly valuable in that you are basically needing 2 players if you lose him. You want 4 CBs and 4 DMs in your squad but with Kanta we can get away with 7 players for the 4 positions.

I actually quite like Enver and certainly don't think he is nearly as bad as his detractors will have you think. Made the HAL team of the week and still got pasted on here. BUT in saying that, has been here long enough to see what he offers and am confident enough that Scott Miller can recruit a quality replacement. The question then will be what position do we look to strengthen. We could replace like for like but with a really pacey wide man or sign Kitto to replace Enver and then look for a foreign No 6. That option would be good but unlikely as long as we also have Poljak

For mine Nobby still needs to make the starting team by year end and perform to be re-signed as I don't believe we should be signing any foreign player to sit on the bench.

Kanta also did have the run at attacking mid this season so he is very versatile. I'd never play him there but it's good knowing he can be there. Get an owner, have the loyalty player or whatever used to get most of his salary outside the cap and there is no reason not to keep him honestly

As i've said, the biggest problem with Enver comes that he is a foreigner, that spot he takes up could be used so much more effectively. He has moments, and if those amazing moments were consistent you'd have an incredible player but they're not. I'd say use the foreign spot on left back, as it seems harder to find an aussie left back then it does a winger, and instead of signing a foreign no.6 I'd use the space and try seeing if we could grab Lustica from Brisbane who I believe is off contract, as well as Devante Clut if we're still keen on him to cover in the attacking mid role

Very true when it pertains to Nobby, needs to show he can get his fitness up but he is a beast player, Leo and him both with full off-seasons in the same team would be killer

[rhysd]

Nordy will start soon I imagine and show everyone that he can be deployed over many positions in the final third. However I do believe he is best suited centrally. Can thread a ball and a good link man for the big milos.

Milos is a clear retention. Get players in who work around him.

Leo needs to have a direct improvement on the team in the next few weeks through way of improving his goalscoring/assist output. Makes stuff happen but it means nothing if you beat 4 players for skill and then have no execution or end game. None of his passes stuck in brissy and that really hurt us on occasion.

The question that truly needs to be asked before re-signing is .. Would any of those players break into a starting team of thw top4/6 ? That's who we should be chasing.. Not sure kanta is that guy.. 7 yellows? 1 red?

[WolfMan]

Exactly, there was no issue at all with his fitness until he was chopped down. He has struggled to catch up after that incident.

What? He was playing 60 mins max every second match before he got chopped down. Fitness and knee concerns have always been the issue

[Premy]

Exactly, there was no issue at all with his fitness until he was chopped down. He has struggled to catch up after that incident.


seriously? remember that leo got clamped by that gypo and was out through no fault of his own for much of that time

we've looked tons better with him in the squad in the past two weeks. let the rest of the year be the guide imo

He hadn't played for 18 months before he got here, it took him from memory 3-4 weeks to get through a full 90 minutes. He missed one game after the Gypo challenge, so that's not where his injury came from, his had 12 appearance 2 from the bench and his yet to score.
Yes his quality at times but he does lack the end product so with all that known I feel his to much of a risk and there is better value for money out there.

[Frodo]

Kanta isn't good enough to start in any of the 4 positions he has played this year and earns as much as 4 benchwarmers. We can't use the loyalty card to blind judgement when we have a salary cap to adhere to. If he really is loyal he will drop his wage down to the same as Watson, who he will effectively be replacing next year if he stays. Benchwarmer/fill-in/traffic cone/all-round numpty...

I'd assume Miller is already looking for players for next season in some capacity but i wonder if the FFA won't want to do any paperwork and will just resign everyone to save on trips up the F3?

[belchardo]

surely at least a portion of the two BKs wages are in the "home grown" allocation of the salary cap.

[Premy]

Kanta isn't good enough to start in any of the 4 positions he has played this year and earns as much as 4 benchwarmers. We can't use the loyalty card to blind judgement when we have a salary cap to adhere to. If he really is loyal he will drop his wage down to the same as Watson, who he will effectively be replacing next year if he stays. Benchwarmer/fill-in/traffic cone/all-round numpty...

I'd assume Miller is already looking for players for next season in some capacity but i wonder if the FFA won't want to do any paperwork and will just resign everyone to save on trips up the F3?
Have to disagree with that sorry.
In many of the games earlier in the season before his Red Card his was our best on ground.
3-0 down at City and Kanta stepped up dragged the rest of the team with him and rescued a point. When asked his played out of position and filled in adequately, being a utility player isn't as easy as it seems and is rather frustrating as you feel no position belongs to you. Yet Kanta puts that aside week in week out and does his best for the team.
You say we shouldn't be blinded by loyalty in a Salary Cap League, News Flash there is now a loyalty exemption in the salary cap that Kanta fits into and no one deservesit more than him.
His well on his way to becoming a true Club servant and besides the one minior King St issue his conducted himself as a true professional on and of the feild all of this whilst still only being 23 and showing maturity well beyond his years.

[RAM]

I'd keep Kanta and BK. Kanta's versitility has been really handy this season, and at least he puts in. He has been better this year than he has for some time.

[Frodo]

You say we shouldn't be blinded by loyalty in a Salary Cap League, News Flash there is now a loyalty exemption in the salary cap that Kanta fits into and no one deserves it more than him.

This point doesn't matter at the moment as the FFA won't spend outside the cap, if this changes then my view would change.
At this stage though his wages don't match his contribution, both on the field and being a local lad. Sorry, i just don't rate him at all, i think he is as good as Watson. Plus he gets carded every single game and causes us problems defensively as soon as he goes in the book.

I'm sure he is a top bloke and works his ass off but he is only good enough to be a back-up, and he earns way too much coin to be a backup in our squad.

[Grimario]

This point doesn't matter at the moment as the FFA won't spend outside the cap, if this changes then my view would change.
At this stage though his wages don't match his contribution, both on the field and being a local lad. Sorry, i just don't rate him at all, i think he is as good as Watson. Plus he gets carded every single game and causes us problems defensively as soon as he goes in the book.

I'm sure he is a top bloke and works his ass off but he is only good enough to be a back-up, and he earns way too much coin to be a backup in our squad.

Closer to once every 4 games though this season he is above 1 in 2. Not quite every game.

[Premy]

Closer to once every 4 games though this season he is above 1 in 2. Not quite every game.

No don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant.

[Premy]

This point doesn't matter at the moment as the FFA won't spend outside the cap, if this changes then my view would change.
At this stage though his wages don't match his contribution, both on the field and being a local lad. Sorry, i just don't rate him at all, i think he is as good as Watson. Plus he gets carded every single game and causes us problems defensively as soon as he goes in the book.

I'm sure he is a top bloke and works his ass off but he is only good enough to be a back-up, and he earns way too much coin to be a backup in our squad.
What games have you been watching? As stated earlier in the fist half of the season he was all but our best on ground most games, comparing him to Watson is unjust and unfair. How many games has Watson played out of position this season?
His still got his best Football ahead of him and if we let him go he'll pick up a contract elsewhere and do a Goodwin, Elrich, Bridge, Brockie, NTS, Abbas, North, Durante, should I keep going?

[WolfMan]

How many games has Watson played out of position this season?


Personally, I'd say all of them whenever he's not on the bench or omitted from the squad

[plague]

Personally, I'd say all of them whenever he's not on the bench or omitted from the squad

Oh man.
I knew someone would go here with that question but dear lord you phrased it well.

[Premy]

Personally, I'd say all of them whenever he's not on the bench or omitted from the squad:lulzturtle:

[Frodo]

Closer to once every 4 games though this season he is above 1 in 2. Not quite every game.

My bad, not every game. That said he has accrued the most yellows per minute played than anyone in our squad, so he is does get too many yellow cards. He and Hoffman both need to learn how to defend without constantly fouling players.

I don't rate him as a footballer and i honestly think he brings as much to the team as Watson. He never looked comfortable at centre back and he is nowhere near Leo or Morty as a 10 so he is basically fighting against Poljak and Urga and he is isn't as good as either. Where does everyone think he is going to play every week other than the bench?

So my comment still stands. He earns too much to warm the bench. #SorryNotSorry.

[lil_masi]

My bad, not every game. That said he has accrued the most yellows per minute played than anyone in our squad, so he is does get too many yellow cards. He and Hoffman both need to learn how to defend without constantly fouling players.

I don't rate him as a footballer and i honestly think he brings as much to the team as Watson. He never looked comfortable at centre back and he is nowhere near Leo or Morty as a 10 so he is basically fighting against Poljak and Urga and he is isn't as good as either. Where does everyone think he is going to play every week other than the bench?

So my comment still stands. He earns too much to warm the bench. #SorryNotSorry.

Tend to agree. He is not to the standard of other quality mids in the league. Good bench/squady but for the money needs to be better. Id rather use his money + a bit more get a higher quality mid (prob import).

[Hunter403]

How about this?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/02/15/socceroos-defender-williams-open-homecoming-kick-start-career

[Mark325]

How about this?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/02/15/socceroos-defender-williams-open-homecoming-kick-start-career

I'd offload Boogs or Mullen for him, Mullen especially considering he is well over the price we should be paying for him

[The Camel]

I'd offload Boogs or Mullen for him, Mullen especially considering he is well over the price we should be paying for him

Or play him at DM alongside Ugar and let Poljak go and free up another Foreign spot (or not resign Kanta)

[borat]

My bad, not every game. That said he has accrued the most yellows per minute played than anyone in our squad, so he is does get too many yellow cards. He and Hoffman both need to learn how to defend without constantly fouling players.

I don't rate him as a footballer and i honestly think he brings as much to the team as Watson. He never looked comfortable at centre back and he is nowhere near Leo or Morty as a 10 so he is basically fighting against Poljak and Urga and he is isn't as good as either. Where does everyone think he is going to play every week other than the bench?

So my comment still stands. He earns too much to warm the bench. #SorryNotSorry.

Where does the info on Kantas salary come from? Can't say I have ever seen it in the press. Everyone has a price and if he is overpaid then I agree, but Kanta seems to be picked in the 15 every week so can't see why we wouldn't want to sign him. At worst he is a great option of the bench covering multiple defensive positions.

[Premy]

My bad, not every game. That said he has accrued the most yellows per minute played than anyone in our squad, so he is does get too many yellow cards. He and Hoffman both need to learn how to defend without constantly fouling players.

I don't rate him as a footballer and i honestly think he brings as much to the team as Watson. He never looked comfortable at centre back and he is nowhere near Leo or Morty as a 10 so he is basically fighting against Poljak and Urga and he is isn't as good as either. Where does everyone think he is going to play every week other than the bench?

So my comment still stands. He earns too much to warm the bench. #SorryNotSorry.
Borat beat me to it.
Where are you getting his Salary figures from? I can't recall it ever being published how much he earns, so with that how do you know his overpaid? Also what do you think he is worth and how much would you offer him?

[Mark325]

Borat beat me to it.
Where are you getting his Salary figures from? I can't recall it ever being published how much he earns, so with that how do you know his overpaid? Also what do you think he is worth and how much would you offer him?

I vaguely remember that there was a thing up a while ago explaining how much everyone's like for like contracts were at the start of the season, and it came out that Kanta was on 180,000 but I could be wrong

[Hunter403]

Cahill contract terminated. Don't care how old he is, he'd look good in a Jets shirt

[lquiquer]

Cahill contract terminated. Don't care how old he is, he'd look good in a Jets shirt

So would Messi

[Premy]

I vaguely remember that there was a thing out up a while ago explaining how much everyone's like for like contracts were at the start of the season, and it came out that Kanta was on 180,000 but I could be wrong

If that's the correct figure then yeah it's probably over but IMO not by much probably 40-60k, that said the availability to have his wage/part of his wage not included in the cap also shouldn't be forgotten.

[Mark325]

If that's the correct figure then yeah it's probably over but IMO not by much probably 40-60k, that said the availability to have his wage/part of his wage not included in the cap also shouldn't be forgotten.

Don't hold me to that figure, this was when the like for likes were done, so around 8 months ago now. Memories hazy but I can't think it was much lower

[RAM]

or play him at dm alongside ugar and let poljak go and free up another foreign spot (or not resign kanta)


What. The. ****.

[Mark325]

Borat beat me to it.
Where are you getting his Salary figures from? I can't recall it ever being published how much he earns, so with that how do you know his overpaid? Also what do you think he is worth and how much would you offer him?

This was the post I was talking about, a lot different to what I remembered it being. I was a bit off the mark on how much Kanta earned

Carney = 240k
Boogard = 230k
Ki Jee = 200k
Birighitti = 180k
Kennedy = 130k +
Kantarovski = 130k +
Mullen = 130k +
Alivodic = 130k +
Cooper = 90k
Barresi = 55k - 90k
Pavicevic = 55k - 90k
Brennan = 55k - 90k
Marlow = 55k - 90k

[leftrightout]

Cahill contract terminated. Don't care how old he is, he'd look good in a Jets shirt

I know this was tongue in cheek but we wont see him in the A-league this season due to him being contracted at another club after transfer deadline.
I don't know if that rule applies to guest players though?

[Premy]

This was the post I was talking about, a lot different to what I remembered it being. I was a bit off the mark on how much Kanta earned

Carney = 240k
Boogard = 230k
Ki Jee = 200k
Birighitti = 180k
Kennedy = 130k +
Kantarovski = 130k +
Mullen = 130k +
Alivodic = 130k +
Cooper = 90k
Barresi = 55k - 90k
Pavicevic = 55k - 90k
Brennan = 55k - 90k
Marlow = 55k - 90k

I've no problem having Kanta on that sort of $$$, IMO that is roughly what I thought he is worth. Again for a 23/24 year old that has over 100 A-League caps and has the prime of his Career ahead of him it's a no brianer to re-sign him.

[leftrightout]

I've no problem having Kanta on that sort of $$$, IMO that is roughly what I thought he is worth. Again for a 23/24 year old that has over 100 A-League caps and has the prime of his Career ahead of him it's a no brianer to re-sign him.

Completely agree. There is absolutely no reason for him not to be re-signed. I will be pretty dissappointed if we do lose him, i see him as such a valuable, handy player in our squad. He does a good job in multiple positions, in a league with a salary cap and limited squad numbers, that is worth so much.

[Grimario]

All depends on how much the FFA run club want to stock the squad for next season pending a sale. It makes sense to keep Kanta, especially if future owners are going to utilise all salary options, in and out of the cap. Would love to both BK's and shift as much of their salary into the loyalty bucket as possible.

[Frodo]

This was the post I was talking about, a lot different to what I remembered it being. I was a bit off the mark on how much Kanta earned

Carney = 240k
Boogard = 230k
Ki Jee = 200k
Birighitti = 180k
Kennedy = 130k +
Kantarovski = 130k +
Mullen = 130k +
Alivodic = 130k +
Cooper = 90k
Barresi = 55k - 90k
Pavicevic = 55k - 90k
Brennan = 55k - 90k
Marlow = 55k - 90k


If that's what he earns than my point about money is off the mark, my bad.

Does that + symbol relate to the loyalty bonuses they are getting? If so, and since he has been here for 6-7 years, how much would that be? If it's 10k per season he's been with the club than that's probably where we all got the $180-200k wages. If he is on less than 150k than i can accept people's reasoning to keep him.

He's still rubbish tho.:deadhorse:

[Mark325]

If that's what he earns than my point about money is off the mark, my bad.

Does that + symbol relate to the loyalty bonuses they are getting? If so, and since he has been here for 6-7 years, how much would that be? If it's 10k a season than that's probably where we all got the $180-200k wages. If he is on less than 150k than i can accept people's reasoning to keep him.

He's still rubbish tho.:deadhorse:

You're not alone in thinking he was on way more, I was thinking the exact same. I don't actually know what the plus represents but I think you're right with it being 10K

[borat]

This was the post I was talking about, a lot different to what I remembered it being. I was a bit off the mark on how much Kanta earned

Carney = 240k
Boogard = 230k
Ki Jee = 200k
Birighitti = 180k
Kennedy = 130k +
Kantarovski = 130k +
Mullen = 130k +
Alivodic = 130k +
Cooper = 90k
Barresi = 55k - 90k
Pavicevic = 55k - 90k
Brennan = 55k - 90k
Marlow = 55k - 90k

But where does it come from? Because it looks like someone's estimated guess.

Alivodic would definitely be on more than 130k given where he came from prior to the Jets. The bottom 4 players would be min wage.

Other than Carney, Boogs and Ki Jee there hasn't been a lot of press speculation on salaries to go by.

[Mark325]

But where does it come from? Because it looks like someone's estimated guess.

Alivodic would definitely be on more than 130k given where he came from prior to the Jets. The bottom 4 players would be min wage.

Other than Carney, Boogs and Ki Jee there hasn't been a lot of press speculation on salaries to go by.

This was put up a while ago by toohey, its the only thing I can assume people are going off of cause there is no other information on salaries.

[MFKS]

I know this was tongue in cheek but we wont see him in the A-league this season due to him being contracted at another club after transfer deadline.
I don't know if that rule applies to guest players though?
Firstly the FFA will bend the rules to get this bloke in the HAL regardless of what club wants him as he is a draw card point blank and will generate publicity point blank

Secondly if Sydney FC want him their will be a new rule created so they can have him

Thirdly this will negate any of the points you made about him being signed after the deadline

[GazFish35]

The "Sydney club marquee marquee" rule will be used.

[The Dunster]

He's dead to me if he signs with the Smurfs. It would make more sense for him to come to Newcastle which will increase the crowds to capacity and force potential owners to want to own the Newcastle Jets.

Sydney FC have the worst support per capita in the league.

[Grimario]

He's dead to me if he signs with the Smurfs. It would make more sense for him to come to Newcastle which will increase the crowds to capacity and force potential owners to want to own the Newcastle Jets.

Sydney FC have the worst support per capita in the league.

There's no way he comes back unless it's to a new franchise, IMO. The damage he could do to the Cahill image would be massive, especially if he signed for one of the Sydney/Melbourne clubs, alienating himself from opposition supporters.

[baldrick]

1241

Totally stolen from Twitter

[plague]

The only reason Cahill should come back is to run the league at board level.

You listen to the bloke he has a big picture view of it all and it's not to be playing for relative peanuts being bossed around by the likes of Middleby and some owners kid.

[stopper2]

^^^^
Below is a quote from Cahill straight from his biography. He is clearly interested in being involved with an A League, even owning one but like he says the timing and the conditions have to be right.

"I definitely plan to return to Australia, but only when the time and conditions are right. I can see myself OWNING an A-League club in the future. But I'd have to do it on my terms, make sure I could do it according to a long-range vision: that I'd have control right across the board ......If I do have the opportunity to run an A-League club, it would have to be from the grassroots level up to the top professionals, the way I learned it in England"

[stopper2]

This was the post I was talking about, a lot different to what I remembered it being. I was a bit off the mark on how much Kanta earned

Carney = 240k
Boogard = 230k
Ki Jee = 200k
Birighitti = 180k
Kennedy = 130k +
Kantarovski = 130k +
Mullen = 130k +
Alivodic = 130k +
Cooper = 90k
Barresi = 55k - 90k
Pavicevic = 55k - 90k
Brennan = 55k - 90k
Marlow = 55k - 90k

Top three sound right but according to a Herald journo Mullen and BK are up there, in the 2nd tier of players more so in the $150-170k bracket....thanks to Stubbsy!

[Mark325]

Top three sound right but according to a Herald journo Mullen and BK are up there, in the 2nd tier of players more so in the $150-170k bracket....thanks to Stubbsy!

Yeah I was of the belief BK and Mullen were way up there

[plague]

^^^^
Below is a quote from Cahill straight from his biography. He is clearly interested in being involved with an A League, even owning one but like he says the timing and the conditions have to be right.

"I definitely plan to return to Australia, but only when the time and conditions are right. I can see myself OWNING an A-League club in the future. But I'd have to do it on my terms, make sure I could do it according to a long-range vision: that I'd have control right across the board ......If I do have the opportunity to run an A-League club, it would have to be from the grassroots level up to the top professionals, the way I learned it in England"


Alright then, that's exactly the point from the man himself. Cases closed anyone thinking he's coming back here to do a guest stint and get a token 10% stake in some shitty club like the Jets.

Also: when he was close to signing with NY, he went to the commissioner of the whole league to get the run down on how the clubs are run and whether the owners were legit. Only after he was satisfied did he sign to play. That's a bloke who looks a hell of a lot wider than his next pay check.

Bloke will be the smartest in that FFA room and sadly incumbents prob won't like that one bit and prevent it happening.

[Jetmaster]

Yeah I was of the belief BK and Mullen were way up there

BK doesn't get what you think. Don't know why we are discussing rubbery figures based on supposition.

It really isn't for us to know....and it is the same with all clubs not just ours.

[MFKS]

BK doesn't get what you think. Don't know why we are discussing rubbery figures based on supposition.

It really isn't for us to know....and it is the same with all clubs not just ours.

Whether the figures are speculative is not the issue.

We have a right to discuss where our salary cap is going as on paper the value we are getting is nowhere near adequate compared to other clubs

[stopper2]

Alright then, that's exactly the point from the man himself. Cases closed anyone thinking he's coming back here to do a guest stint and get a token 10% stake in some shitty club like the Jets.

Also: when he was close to signing with NY, he went to the commissioner of the whole league to get the run down on how the clubs are run and whether the owners were legit. Only after he was satisfied did he sign to play. That's a bloke who looks a hell of a lot wider than his next pay check.

Bloke will be the smartest in that FFA room and sadly incumbents prob won't like that one bit and prevent it happening.

Yes Cahill definitely had a plan with his off-field ventures in China; his Academies, his clothing brand...Cahill+ (and whatever else) and it would've been premature of him to pull the plug on all that and come back to Australia now just because he has been released from Shenhau. A lot of players don't maximise their careers when they are playing and make short-term decisions, Cahill has a meticulous approach in both his onfield playing (and club choices over the years) and what he does off-field....he basically leaves nothing to chance.

[hawk]

Cahill is too precious now and his head wont fit into hunter Stadium. next

[MFKS]

Yes Cahill definitely had a plan with his off-field ventures in China; his Academies, his clothing brand...Cahill+ (and whatever else) and it would've been premature of him to pull the plug on all that and come back to Australia now just because he has been released from Shenhau. A lot of players don't maximise their careers when they are playing and make short-term decisions, Cahill has a meticulous approach in both his onfield playing (and club choices over the years) and what he does off-field....he basically leaves nothing to chance.


Let's just call a spade a spade the blokes best days are behind him and his legs are going.

He ain't the player he was 2 years ago let alone 6 years ago

You can see it in his recent games for the Soccerroos he don't have it like he used to.

Fingers crossed Ange can send him out gracefully and not kicking and screaming like Luca$h went

[leftrightout]

He's dead to me if he signs with the Smurfs.

The great man could never be "dead to me". He has supplied me with way more good memories than pretty much anyone in my own life hahaha the guy is one of the greatest athletes this country has ever produced.

I love the jets but I'll put Socceroos above them any day. They have been and will always be my number 1!

[plague]

Let's just call a spade a spade the blokes best days are behind him and his legs are going.

He ain't the player he was 2 years ago let alone 6 years ago

You can see it in his recent games for the Soccerroos he don't have it like he used to.

Fingers crossed Ange can send him out gracefully and not kicking and screaming like Luca$h went

Man, one day you're gonna start reading the posts and general vibe of the conversation before storming through the door and it's gonna be ****ing confusing.

[plague]

How's Thailand by the way?
Anyone nicked yer kidneys yet?

[Premy]

Khalfallah has been left out of Victorys ACL squad.
Victory looking at a way to keep Barbarouses for next year, if we could get them to payout part of Khalfallahs contract could be a handy replacement for Enver.

[matty]

barbarouses has signed for wello

[Premy]

barbarouses has signed for wello

Apparently for $750k a season FMD.

[leftrightout]

Khalfallah has been left out of Victorys ACL squad.
Victory looking at a way to keep Barbarouses for next year, if we could get them to payout part of Khalfallahs contract could be a handy replacement for Enver.

Handy replacement for Enver is an understatement.
We would go from a donkey to black cavier! FBK Shreds it, slow start to his second season but there is no doubt in my mind he is one of the absolute top players in this league. We would never get him!

[leftrightout]

Apparently for $750k a season FMD.

With the Phoenix, can their "Aussie marquee" be a kiwi? He would be about as good a kiwi marquee they could get.
Great signing though, even if it is a bit rich.

[Jeterpool]

With the Phoenix, can their "Aussie marquee" be a kiwi? He would be about as good a kiwi marquee they could get.
Great signing though, even if it is a bit rich.

I don't think there is an "Aussie marquee" anymore. Isn't it just 2 marquees? I thought th rule was changed for Sydney

[hawk]

Let's just call a spade a spade the blokes best days are behind him and his legs are going.

He ain't the player he was 2 years ago let alone 6 years ago

You can see it in his recent games for the Soccerroos he don't have it like he used to.

Fingers crossed Ange can send him out gracefully and not kicking and screaming like Luca$h went

If he is serious with his ballbagging the league maybe he should fund a 2nd tier in Aleague. how much would he need to kick in? get serious or fk off big head (tim not mk)

[leftrightout]

I don't think there is an "Aussie marquee" anymore. Isn't it just 2 marquees? I thought th rule was changed for Sydney

Ah yeah... just checked and you are right about it being just 2 marquees now.
Is barbarouses really marquee material though?

[Grimario]

With the Phoenix, can their "Aussie marquee" be a kiwi? He would be about as good a kiwi marquee they could get.
Great signing though, even if it is a bit rich.

Reckon Rojas, Wood and Reid would be better options... but realistic ones they aren't.

[Jetmaster]

Ah yeah... just checked and you are right about it being just 2 marquees now.
Is barbarouses really marquee material though?

As far as NZ are concerned yes, he is their highest profile player along with Winston Reid. His signing would be equal to bringing someone like Timmeh or Cruse back to the A-League.

Add this to last weeks result and todays extension, they will be on fire this week.

[leftrightout]

Reckon Rojas, Wood and Reid would be better options... but realistic ones they aren't.

Where is Rojas these days? He bloody destroyed this league with Victory!

[belchardo]

FC Thun according to wikipedia

[The Dunster]

Where is Rojas these days? He bloody destroyed this league with Victory!

He had one good season at MV. That's it. At the Nix he only scored twice in 21 games.
At MV he failed to score in his first twenty odd starts. In his second season he scored 15 which was a great effort - but he's never backed it up since.
In fact he's only scored 4 times since leaving MV and been through three clubs already.

He would possibly cost a visa spot and International Marquee status to obtain and at that price you would be taking a massive punt.

[The Dunster]

Apparently for $750k a season FMD.

Good to see Wellington have surpassed the Jets in paying overs for players

[parksey]

Where is Rojas these days? He bloody destroyed this league with Victory!

So funny, I was thinking yesterday he would be the perfect signing for us. Is he getting game time?

[StannyCFCJET]

Bugger Rojas lets get Brockie back whats he up to

[Tommyjet]

Bugger Rojas lets get Brockie back whats he up to
South africa

[cobra23]

Bugger Rojas lets get Brockie back whats he up to

if we cant get brockie lets get vaughn coveny back..

[foti68]

Handy replacement for Enver is an understatement.
We would go from a donkey to black cavier! FBK Shreds it, slow start to his second season but there is no doubt in my mind he is one of the absolute top players in this league. We would never get him!

I agree totally, Enver has about 3 good touches a game the rest is absolute crud. But you cannot deny his commitment.

[Yr 8 kid]

I agree totally, Enver has about 3 good touches a game the rest is absolute crud. But you cannot deny his commitment.
Love this guy for his effort.
How do I ask this. Does Enver park close to the entry?

[stopper2]

I know there are 7 games to go but I reckon most on here would agree that Nordstrand is class from just the 4 games he has appeared in and that the club should at the very least start putting some "feelers" out to extending his contract for another season. His instincts as a footballer are spot on and he already seems to have a great understanding with Alivodic and Leonardo in particular....which will only get better the more they play together.
Apparently his wife and daughter arrive this week to stay with him for the rest of the season. I don't know what sort of support group there is for partners....or if there is any at all, but the club should be doing their utmost to make sure Mrs Nordstrand settles in to the Newy lifestyle!

[stopper2]

I agree totally, Enver has about 3 good touches a game the rest is absolute crud. But you cannot deny his commitment.

Enver to me looks like a player who has the talent but just makes the wrong option because he is just not reading his team-mates pass or run. Having said that with Leonardo and Nordstrand in the team he looks a better player. Was involved in 2 of the goals yesterday on top of that beautiful pass to Nordstrand a couple of weeks a go to set up Milos' 2nd goal against City, as well as the assist for Cooper's goal last week against Roar....that's 4 of our last 6 goals he has had a hand in the last 3 games!!!

[borat]

Enver's performances have definitely improved the last few weeks with Leo & Nobby in the team. Combinations are starting to come together. Whether it continues to improve by year end will be interesting to see

[scarfy96]

I don't know what sort of support group there is for partners....or if there is any at all, but the club should be doing their utmost to make sure Mrs Nordstrand settles in to the Newy lifestyle!

Case of mangos and a bikini delivered to their apartment this morning. She arrives tomorrow, mangos will benefit from 1 day on the bench.

[Bon]

Tommy Oar linked to Sydney (as always)..
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/02/25/sydney-fc-emerge-front-runners-snare-socceroo-oar

[Jetmaster]

I'd love the guys on here who analyze the Jets salary spending to have a crack at the Smurfs figures.

[tomo]

How the fvck does sydney have $500k left under the cap??
Absolute bullsh*t

[Bon]

I just don't understand it.. Haha..
Madness..

[pv4]

How the fvck does sydney have $500k left under the cap??
Absolute bullsh*t

I'd imagine they'd use the guest stint option, maybe try and use ACL wages subsidizing? Plus they'd be able to set his contract up so they pay him say 50k this season, but then extra for the other seasons of his contract - which might be a marquee deal so could be as high as they want. They'd find a way.

[Grimario]

How the fvck does sydney have $500k left under the cap??
Absolute bullsh*t

They use all the outside the cap stuff. Brosque and Holosko as marquee's, loyalty stuff for Grant or Ryall or whoever, one of their new season recruits would have been the NPL talent funding thing. All the stuff we don't use :(

[plague]

I'd love the guys on here who analyze the Jets salary spending to have a crack at the Smurfs figures.

1. Janjetovic - league min (is it 55k?). Terrible keeper, can't catch, pass or organise. Comes to training sober though, so gets a run.
2. Seb Ryall - Technically in custody so can't receive income. League min so it goes into a trust account to fund schoolies trips till he turns 45.
4. Zac Anderson - gypo, has no idea what 'wages' or 'employment' are. Gets fortnightly centrelink cheque for $479.80.
5. Mat Jurman - league min, although his twin brother "matt yerrrrrrman" is somehow turning up for half his shifts lately.
6. Stambozliev - no wages, not a real person. is actually a marketing ploy for a new brand of cheap russian vodka. Seb Ryall hosts Stambozliev vodka parties for 14 year olds on the Gold Coast.
7. A Hoole - League min, but its gets paid into his account so he's exponentially more wealthy than he was when at the Jets.
8. Dimitrejavic - gets around league salary rules by being paid in food vouchers. currently over his own personal 'cap space'.
9. Shane Smeltz - $150k, but in NZ dollars, so its about $60k (this joke was totally better about 8 years ago).
10. Ninkovic - wait? aren't he and Dimitrejavic the same person? Sydney uses them under same contract. $200k between them.
11. C. Naumoff - $80k he played good one game, only 4 years and 3 knee surgeries away from being offered a max deal by the Jets.
12. J. Tratt? - the **** is that guy? league min.
13. B. Oneill - the only Oneill not making a living out of tyres or wetsuits. poor career choice. league min.
14. A Brosque - $100,000 per 90mins played. Season wages so far = $30k.
16. R. Woodcock - isn't he a cricketer? league min.
17. D.Carney - hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha hahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahah
18. M. Simon - legally entitled to half of Arnies salary and super due them officially being declared a defacto couple.
19. J. Faty - he's french, so he's obviously on the run from something in his homeland. league min on the proviso sydney fc don't tell anyone where he lives.
20. I.Necevski - league min, but paid as a coach so no impact on the cap.
21. F.Holosko - league min. plays for a country that now doesn't technically exist. bummer man.
22. A.Abbas - league min. still love him. if only former jets management weren't all haterz.
23. R.Grant - his contract states he gets whatever Marc Warren earns + $1 to formalise his position as only the 2nd worst player in the league.
24. George Blackwood - sounds like a politician from the early 1900's. i wouldn't vote for him. **** that guy.
25. A.Calver - ? again, who the ****? league min.
27. M.Tavares - $200k lord knows what for. garbage.and french. so double garbage.
29. A.Mullen - doesn't he play for the Knights? George Blackwood refuses to bring his dog to training or social gatherings. League min.
30. A Bouzanis - somehow isn't better than the other 2 retards in goals. shouldn't be getting anything if he's that bad. has def used the "my brother played premier league" approach to pick up chicks.


so as you can see Sydney have heaps of room under the cap. Bring Tommy home.

[GazFish35]

Eland made a point I've not ever thought of tbh.

Pushing 4 players outside the cap (marquee x2, homegrown x2) means other teams have the whole cap the attract 19 players.

If you don't use the "outside the cap" concessions you're trying to attract all 23 with the cap.

I'm not sure why that's never dawned on me.

Kanta and BK are well worth keeping for that fact alone. More money to spend on the rest of the squad.

[Jeterpool]

Eland made a point I've not ever thought of tbh.

Pushing 4 players outside the cap (marquee x2, homegrown x2) means other teams have the whole cap the attract 19 players.

If you don't use the "outside the cap" concessions you're trying to attract all 23 with the cap.

I'm not sure why that's never dawned on me.

Kanta and BK are well worth keeping for that fact alone. More money to spend on the rest of the squad.

Welcome. This is why the FFA haven't assisted us at all.

[GazFish35]

its 24K per player difference

[plague]

its 24K per player difference

Or TWO whole new David Carneys!!!!!

[Hunter403]

1. Janjetovic - league min (is it 55k?). Terrible keeper, can't catch, pass or organise. Comes to training sober though, so gets a run.
2. Seb ryall - technically in custody so can't receive income. League min so it goes into a trust account to fund schoolies trips till he turns 45.
4. Zac anderson - gypo, has no idea what 'wages' or 'employment' are. Gets fortnightly centrelink cheque for $479.80.
5. Mat jurman - league min, although his twin brother "matt yerrrrrrman" is somehow turning up for half his shifts lately.
6. Stambozliev - no wages, not a real person. Is actually a marketing ploy for a new brand of cheap russian vodka. Seb ryall hosts stambozliev vodka parties for 14 year olds on the gold coast.
7. A hoole - league min, but its gets paid into his account so he's exponentially more wealthy than he was when at the jets.
8. Dimitrejavic - gets around league salary rules by being paid in food vouchers. Currently over his own personal 'cap space'.
9. Shane smeltz - $150k, but in nz dollars, so its about $60k (this joke was totally better about 8 years ago).
10. Ninkovic - wait? Aren't he and dimitrejavic the same person? Sydney uses them under same contract. $200k between them.
11. C. Naumoff - $80k he played good one game, only 4 years and 3 knee surgeries away from being offered a max deal by the jets.
12. J. Tratt? - the **** is that guy? League min.
13. B. Oneill - the only oneill not making a living out of tyres or wetsuits. Poor career choice. League min.
14. A brosque - $100,000 per 90mins played. Season wages so far = $30k.
16. R. Woodcock - isn't he a cricketer? League min.
17. D.carney - hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha hahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahah
18. M. Simon - legally entitled to half of arnies salary and super due them officially being declared a defacto couple.
19. J. Faty - he's french, so he's obviously on the run from something in his homeland. League min on the proviso sydney fc don't tell anyone where he lives.
20. I.necevski - league min, but paid as a coach so no impact on the cap.
21. F.holosko - league min. Plays for a country that now doesn't technically exist. Bummer man.
22. A.abbas - league min. Still love him. If only former jets management weren't all haterz.
23. R.grant - his contract states he gets whatever marc warren earns + $1 to formalise his position as only the 2nd worst player in the league.
24. George blackwood - sounds like a politician from the early 1900's. I wouldn't vote for him. **** that guy.
25. A.calver - ? Again, who the ****? League min.
27. M.tavares - $200k lord knows what for. Garbage.and french. So double garbage.
29. A.mullen - doesn't he play for the knights? George blackwood refuses to bring his dog to training or social gatherings. League min.
30. A bouzanis - somehow isn't better than the other 2 retards in goals. Shouldn't be getting anything if he's that bad. Has def used the "my brother played premier league" approach to pick up chicks.


So as you can see sydney have heaps of room under the cap. Bring tommy home.

gold, gold, gold!

[borat]

Eland made a point I've not ever thought of tbh.

Pushing 4 players outside the cap (marquee x2, homegrown x2) means other teams have the whole cap the attract 19 players.

If you don't use the "outside the cap" concessions you're trying to attract all 23 with the cap.

I'm not sure why that's never dawned on me.

Kanta and BK are well worth keeping for that fact alone. More money to spend on the rest of the squad.

We only have the minimum 20 players though and not 23. So not that much of a difference

[hawk]

Welcome. This is why the FFA haven't assisted us at all.

seems to always come back to this. could be a sign. anyone? bueller?

[tomo]

Or TWO whole new David Carneys!!!!!

But we dont want 2 new sooky little b*tches.....

[GazFish35]

We only have the minimum 20 players though and not 23. So not that much of a difference

Point is the flexibility it gives you to spend more on less players, allowing you attract better standard players.

[Guerny]

So we could have a 10 man squad even before we sign a player that has to fit under the cap...
- marquee = 2
- guest player = 1
- mature age rookie (>21 yo) = 1 player
- home grown (<23yo, $150k) = 3 (min wage = $41K)
- contracted NYL player = 3

Then a few half price players:
- loyalty allocation (5+ seasons, $200K) = 3 (min wage = $55K) (max 50% of players wage is excluded)

So 13 players and we've only used ~$100K of the salary cap...

This leaves $2.5M left for the remaining 7 squad positions (~$350K / player).

*Is the junior marquee still a thing?

[stopper2]

So we could have a 10 man squad even before we sign a player that has to fit under the cap...
- marquee = 2
- guest player = 1
- mature age rookie (>21 yo) = 1 player
- home grown (<23yo, $150k) = 3 (min wage = $41K)
- contracted NYL player = 3

Then a few half price players:
- loyalty allocation (5+ seasons, $200K) = 3 (min wage = $55K) (max 50% of players wage is excluded)

So 13 players and we've only used ~$100K of the salary cap...

This leaves $2.5M left for the remaining 7 squad positions (~$350K / player).

*Is the junior marquee still a thing?

That's why the big clubs who make full use of these "concessions" if you like, seem on the surface to be well over the cap. I think David Lowe mentioned in his column once that clubs like Victory and SFC have about 6 players in that top bracket before we even get to our highest paid player.
Used to have a U/23 Marquee but I'm pretty sure they got rid of that a few years ago now.

[Grimario]

So we could have a 10 man squad even before we sign a player that has to fit under the cap...
- marquee = 2
- guest player = 1
- mature age rookie (>21 yo) = 1 player
- home grown (<23yo, $150k) = 3 (min wage = $41K)
- contracted NYL player = 3

Then a few half price players:
- loyalty allocation (5+ seasons, $200K) = 3 (min wage = $55K) (max 50% of players wage is excluded)

So 13 players and we've only used ~$100K of the salary cap...

This leaves $2.5M left for the remaining 7 squad positions (~$350K / player).

*Is the junior marquee still a thing?

Pretty sure Junior marquee was scrapped for the home grown U23 player.

[Mark325]

As of right now do we have any home growns/loyalty allocations I'm not thinking of


We'd have both BK's for the loyalty allocation, and we'd have Nick Cowburn and Radovan as home grown would we not?

[RAM]

As of right now do we have any home growns/loyalty allocations I'm not thinking of


We'd have both BK's for the loyalty allocation, and we'd have Nick Cowburn and Radovan as home grown would we not?

Just Kanta and BK

[Mark325]

Just Kanta and BK

How does home grown work then?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

How does home grown work then?

· The existing Home Grown Player allowance outside the Salary Cap has lifted from $150,000 to $200,000. Each Club can include three players who started their careers with the Club, either through the Youth System of the Hyundai A-League squad.

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-makes-changes-to-a-league-salary-cap-regulations/isnaumwlkmhj1vyywqy5lcn3g

[RAM]

How does home grown work then?

I think the others are counted as youth, although I thought Cowburn got a senior contract.

[Grimario]

I think the others are counted as youth, although I thought Cowburn got a senior contract.

Isn't the point that we aren't spending any money outside the salary cap so they can be eligible for youth/loyalty/marquee or whatever, but FFA is keeping it lean hence the last two pages of discussion?

[RAM]

Isn't the point that we aren't spending any money outside the salary cap so they can be eligible for youth/loyalty/marquee or whatever, but FFA is keeping it lean hence the last two pages of discussion?

yep

[Guerny]

Or more likely the FFA is not using any of the cap exemptions so they can put their hands on their hearts and say they were ensuring the Jets remained competitive by using 90% of the available salary cap... :wanker:

[riverboy]

Whats everyones feeling for season 2016-17 in terms of recruitment?
Which imports should we resign?

[Frodo]

Whats everyones feeling for season 2016-17 in terms of recruitment?
Which imports should we resign?

If we win the league all of them..

If not, FOLD THE CLUB!

[rhysd]

Nord
Trifunovic

Maybe leo

Alivodic needs to score a few goals between now and end of season. Otherwise no.

Poljak is here for next season but would sign him for longer.

[riverboy]

Nord
Trifunovic

Maybe leo

Alivodic needs to score a few goals between now and end of season. Otherwise no.

Poljak is here for next season but would sign him for longer.

I agree.
I would keep nords and trifunovic.

Unsure on leo, he has class but injury concerns and his age are a worry.

Alivodic as harsh as it appears would probably have to go. Not enough goals or assists.

Need to resign biraz and Hoffman. But biraz may leave overseas on a free.

[StannyCFCJET]

Whats everyones feeling for season 2016-17 in terms of recruitment?
Which imports should we resign?

lets come back to this at the end of the season

[riverboy]

lets come back to this at the end of the season

That sounds pretty smart. Wait til the end of the year and risk losing any good players for nothing or resign them at a higher rate. Good call

[Jeterpool]

That sounds pretty smart. Wait til the end of the year and risk losing any good players for nothing or resign them at a higher rate. Good call

I think he means us discussing on the forum, not the club attempting recruitment.

[Tommyjet]

A potential new owner makes it had to realistically discuss now. I mean if the New owner wants to spend the whole cap, concessions and marquees then I wouldn't be keeping any of triffo, Leonardo or enver. I'd also be thinking of better Aussies than we have, James holland etc.

[hawk]

send em back, send em back

[Mark325]

If we did get new owners I would definitely shift some shit around in a big way. I personally would still keep Triffo and Leo on board, if Trif ends off scoring over 10 goals come season end then he's worth retaining, and Leonardo with a full off-season is definitely worth retaining. What would change is that I would cull 2 players who's contracts aren't over, but that I feel we could get better value out of there positions

So, the empty spots in my team would be either a winger/attacking mid depending on how you wanna use Leo, a midfield spot as I would remove Poljak, a LB spot and a spot at CB cause I'd get rid of Daniel Mullen. I would move both BK's to outside the cap, re-sign Birraz, Hoff and Lundy as well. Make Nobby a marquee, sign James Holland as a marquee in the midfield. Look overseas to a foreign LB, which puts us at 4 foreigners, sign Clut from Roar and then sign Rhys Williams as the CB replacement.

So, our team would look like this:

Birraz
Foreign LB - Boogard - Williams - Hoff
Holland - Uga
Leo - Clut - Nobby
Triffo

Bench: Haliti, Cooper, Kanta, Cowburn, BK

[Tommyjet]

If we did get new owners I would definitely shift some shit around in a big way. I personally would still keep Triffo and Leo on board, if Trif ends off scoring over 10 goals come season end then he's worth retaining, and Leonardo with a full off-season is definitely worth retaining. What would change is that I would cull 2 players who's contracts aren't over, but that I feel we could get better value out of there positions

So, the empty spots in my team would be either a winger/attacking mid depending on how you wanna use Leo, a midfield spot as I would remove Poljak, a LB spot and a spot at CB cause I'd get rid of Daniel Mullen. I would move both BK's to outside the cap, re-sign Birraz, Hoff and Lundy as well. Make Nobby a marquee, sign James Holland as a marquee in the midfield. Look overseas to a foreign LB, which puts us at 4 foreigners, sign Clut from Roar and then sign Rhys Williams as the CB replacement.

So, our team would look like this:

Birraz
Foreign LB - Boogard - Williams - Hoff
Holland - Uga
Leo - Clut - Nobby
Triffo

Bench: Haliti, Cooper, Kanta, Cowburn, BK

That's got 7th written all over it.
Nobby worth keeping but still within cap. I like where your heading with the Aussies. As I said, if we got a decent owner, triffo and Leo gone.

[Mark325]

That's got 7th written all over it.
Nobby worth keeping but still within cap. I like where your heading with the Aussies. As I said, if we got a decent owner, triffo and Leo gone.

So essentially, what you'd change is that Nobby stays under the cap, and you'd sign two different foreigners at the left wing and striker position, with one of them or the LB being the marquee instead

[Tommyjet]

So essentially, what you'd change is that Nobby stays under the cap, and you'd sign two different foreigners at the left wing and striker position, with one of them or the LB being the marquee instead
I'd explore the option of removing poljak. Ideally someone like holland, possibly Rhys Williams replacing him.
Plenty of left backs getting around the league that are stuck behind more established ones that we could tap into.
Marquee spots to be used in the attacking 4

[Mark325]

I'd explore the option of removing poljak. Ideally someone like holland, possibly Rhys Williams replacing him.
Plenty of left backs getting around the league that are stuck behind more established ones that we could tap into.
Marquee spots to be used in the attacking 4

For me I'd even accept someone like Steven Lustica as a better starting midfielder then Poljak

What LB from other teams would you try poaching?

[Jeterpool]

For me I'd even accept someone like Steven Lustica as a better starting midfielder then Poljak

What LB from other teams would you try poaching?

Ben Garrucio

[plague]

sack everyone.
sign Griff.
the rest will take care of itself.

[Mark325]

Ben Garrucio

I wouldn't say he's the best available, Cowburn is probably as good as he is in that position

[steve136]

No way should we keep Trifunovic around. The guy is absolutely rubbish with the ball at his feet, cannot hold it up to save his life and shows zero composure. He doesn't run hard, is too slow to get in behind the lines and contributes zero when defending.

But he's scored nine goals?

Let's look at how he scored those. Penalty, tap in from 1 yard (that he hit the keeper on), a couple of good headers, penalty, header, penalty, one on one with the keeper that the keeper got a good hand on, penalty.

It's important to note that he created a grand total of ZERO of those penalties himself.

So basically, on three occasions across the entire season he's showed a good ability on the air. Is this really what we want out of our import striker?

It's impossible to count how many chances he's absolutely butchered, although there's been a good number of one on ones where he's either been caught from behind because he's hesitating, or has just plain fluffed it.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more suited to the Jets he is. Make him marquee.

[steve136]

Also, Alivodić no longer looks like a a guy that's played football before.

[Mark325]

No way should we keep Trifunovic around. The guy is absolutely rubbish with the ball at his feet, cannot hold it up to save his life and shows zero composure. He doesn't run hard, is too slow to get in behind the lines and contributes zero when defending.

But he's scored nine goals?

Let's look at how he scored those. Penalty, tap in from 1 yard (that he hit the keeper on), a couple of good headers, penalty, header, penalty, one on one with the keeper that the keeper got a good hand on, penalty.

It's important to note that he created a grand total of ZERO of those penalties himself.

So basically, on three occasions across the entire season he's showed a good ability on the air. Is this really what we want out of our import striker?

It's impossible to count how many chances he's absolutely butchered, although there's been a good number of one on ones where he's either been caught from behind because he's hesitating, or has just plain fluffed it.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more suited to the Jets he is. Make him marquee.

I'll pay all that honestly, didn't think about those goals till after and sorta realised that from a strikers perspective his goals aren't quite what you'd want.

And watching this game he isn't the best footballer, I'll stick by Leo being good though

[Tommyjet]

Ben Garrucio
Yeah garrucio, murnane, Galloway from victory

[Tommyjet]

I'm starting to come around to Leonardo. Could of had a couple of assists if triffo wasn't garbage. Triffo and enver definitely gone at seasons end.

[leftrightout]

I'm starting to come around to Leonardo. Could of had a couple of assists if triffo wasn't garbage. Triffo and enver definitely gone at seasons end.

Agree, id take the punt on Leos fitness. We are a different team when he is there and we are constantly turning the ball over. He has something that we have been asking for years.

And also agree goodbye trif and enver!

[Jeterpool]

Agree, id take the punt on Leos fitness. We are a different team when he is there and we are constantly turning the ball over. He has something that we have been asking for years.

And also agree goodbye trif and enver!

I tend to disagree with Leo. I don't think he has the heart for the battle, which is a trait Miller wants in his team. Given his fitness concerns, I think he will leave. I also get a suspicion he isn't happy here. What keeps me from 100% saying "go" is that he's the most creative player we've had since Carle. In saying that,, Nordstrand was picking out some good passes last night - One in particular for Milos to fluff.

I'm still not convinced by Milos and haven't made a decision either way. What we want in our front 3 is speed and mobility. Neither of which he has. If he was deadly i'd have no issue - but he's not. At best he's an Option B from the bench and that's not a luxury you can afford on Visa spot.

Enver is frustrating me to no end. He's solid but that's about it. I wouldn't re-sign.

[Bon]

I tend to disagree with Leo. I don't think he has the heart for the battle, which is a trait Miller wants in his team. Given his fitness concerns, I think he will leave. I also get a suspicion he isn't happy here. What keeps me from 100% saying "go" is that he's the most creative player we've had since Carle. In saying that,, Nordstrand was picking out some good passes last night - One in particular for Milos to fluff.

I'm still not convinced by Milos and haven't made a decision either way. What we want in our front 3 is speed and mobility. Neither of which he has. If he was deadly i'd have no issue - but he's not. At best he's an Option B from the bench and that's not a luxury you can afford on Visa spot.

Enver is frustrating me to no end. He's solid but that's about it. I wouldn't re-sign.

Well said. I agree with all of this..

[Tommyjet]

Agree, id take the punt on Leos fitness. We are a different team when he is there and we are constantly turning the ball over. He has something that we have been asking for years.

And also agree goodbye trif and enver!
I meant that I was coming around to accepting that he is worthy of wearing the jersey this season. His injury history and flimsy temperament make him too much of a risk for next season.

[The Camel]

Too much relies on if we get new owners and then how much those owners are looking to spend. Ideal scenario is we get a new owners who will splash the cash. I would let Trif and Enver go and try and get Poljak out of the last year of his contract. Marquee player as a Number 6, a Michael Carrick type would be unbelievable (off contract this year) but if not bring back Holland or Chris Herd and try and sign Lustica for depth. Piss Watson off. Id try and get Clut from Brisbane too but at this stage I would keep Nobby and Leo if under the cap. New Striker (Young Aussie if playing Nobby as first choice No. 9 or Foriener if playing him wide) and get a new left back. (Foreign or local).

Then Make a play for Rhys Williams and either let Mullen go or keep him as cover depending on cap space. Also need one or two attacking wide players (Maybe a foreign player or two dependent on the striker and left back positions)

[pv4]

Poljak is one of our best players IMO and easily my favourite.

[pv4]

Also worth noting Poljak will become a Strayan citizen either next year or the one after.

[leftrightout]

Too much relies on if we get new owners and then how much those owners are looking to spend. Ideal scenario is we get a new owners who will splash the cash. I would let Trif and Enver go and try and get Poljak out of the last year of his contract. Marquee player as a Number 6, a Michael Carrick type would be unbelievable (off contract this year) but if not bring back Holland or Chris Herd and try and sign Lustica for depth. Piss Watson off. Id try and get Clut from Brisbane too but at this stage I would keep Nobby and Leo if under the cap. New Striker (Young Aussie if playing Nobby as first choice No. 9 or Foriener if playing him wide) and get a new left back. (Foreign or local).

Then Make a play for Rhys Williams and either let Mullen go or keep him as cover depending on cap space. Also need one or two attacking wide players (Maybe a foreign player or two dependent on the striker and left back positions)

If i had Rhys Williams id play him DM in the a-league

[Frodo]

Williams is going to Perth. I don't see him playing anywhere else in the HAL.

Also, what's with all the Devante Clut hype on this forum? He can barely get game time at Roar, he obviously has talent but he isn't the second coming of Griff... Why are we hunting down backups for next season?

I want some Chinese owners and then they can bring some of the quality players being pushed out of the Chinese Super League by all these money hunting imports. That said, i know nothing what so ever about the CSL so i have no idea if they have anyone worth a visa spot who would be available.

[Mark325]

Anyone heard of Brad Inman? He's a midfielder playing league one but is a solid footballer

Contracted till June of this year, could be worth making a play at if someone like Holland falls through

[The Camel]

Anyone heard of Brad Inman? He's a midfielder playing league one but is a solid footballer

Contracted till June of this year, could be worth making a play at if someone like Holland falls through

He is a very different sort of player to Holland. Plays in the No. 10 or wide attacking midfield roles.

[leftrightout]

He is a very different sort of player to Holland. Plays in the No. 10 or wide attacking midfield roles.

Is also in decent goal scoring form isn't he?

[redwah]

Personally I think Leo is nearly as lazy as Devon head was, he hardly tracks back, especially when he looses the ball and his blow ups at others are just petulant.....but if we do keep him we need a striker with speed....like an Archie Thompson type...we play the ball through the lines, not really that good at playing a target man type.

Enver does my head in! Every time he should put his foot through one and shoot, he tries to beat the defender 5times only to lose it and when he needs to cross he usually hits the other side line.....bye bye for me.

From the squad we have we need to strengthen left full back, defensive mid, attacking mid, striker and a wide player...oh yeah throw money at birraz.....not much to ask for with the funds available.

[Frodo]

Personally I think Leo is nearly as lazy as Devon head was, he hardly tracks back, especially when he looses the ball and his blow ups at others are just petulant.....but if we do keep him we need a striker with speed....like an Archie Thompson type...we play the ball through the lines, not really that good at playing a target man type..

True. Skill is great but if you don't work hard... or at least work at all, then you're always going to be a liability. Leo seems like a good option off the bench, when other teams legs are tiring he would kill them. But he can't play 90 minutes and offers nothing in defense. Not worthy of a visa spot.

Plus, as someone alluded to earlier, he has never seemed happy to be here. Gets stroppy when he gets subbed.

[A.J.]

Why do people keep mentioning James Holland? Bloke is starting for Duisburg in Bundesliga 2. Why the **** would he come back here?

[RAM]

Why do people keep mentioning James Holland? Bloke is starting for Duisburg in Bundesliga 2. Why the **** would he come back here?

glad someone said it :rof:

[Mark325]

Why do people keep mentioning James Holland? Bloke is starting for Duisburg in Bundesliga 2. Why the **** would he come back here?

Yeah realistically speaking he's probably not gonna come back here, I think people are saying him as a good example of what we should be looking for, we need a player with that much quality, or the quality of a player like Corona in the midfield.

At the same time, Uga isn't a Socceroo or an international, but I don't think anyone would replace him as he is doing good shit as a midfielder, so in some ways I think we could be smart trying to get someone like Lustica who is very similar to Uga.

[The Dunster]

Yeah realistically speaking he's probably not gonna come back here, I think people are saying him as a good example of what we should be looking for, we need a player with that much quality, or the quality of a player like Corona in the midfield.

At the same time, Uga isn't a Socceroo or an international, but I don't think anyone would replace him as he is doing good shit as a midfielder, so in some ways I think we could be smart trying to get someone like Lustica who is very similar to Uga.

Lustica is technically very good and as such is a good impact player off the bench. Big question mark though over his ability to play / concentrate for 90 mins.]

He's been tested by the market and no other club has been willing to commit to him long term.

A player with Lusicas technical ability that was capable of putting in a solid 90mins every week I'd definetly sign though.

[Mark325]

Lustica is technically very good and as such is a good impact player off the bench. Big question mark though over his ability to play / concentrate for 90 mins.]

He's been tested by the market and no other club has been willing to commit to him long term.

A player with Lusicas technical ability that was capable of putting in a solid 90mins every week I'd definetly sign though.

I think Lustica given some extended runs in a starting role could prove his worth.

Brisbane have a good number of players coming off contract honestly. Guys like Lustica, Clut, Henrique and Donachie are all good players, Henrique now that he's an Australian citizen would be a great pick-up, he's scored six off the bench so in a season were he starts and hopefully stays healthy he would be a gun signing

[Frodo]

I think Lustica given some extended runs in a starting role could prove his worth.

Brisbane have a good number of players coming off contract honestly. Guys like Lustica, Clut, Henrique and Donachie are all good players, Henrique now that he's an Australian citizen would be a great pick-up, he's scored six off the bench so in a season were he starts and hopefully stays healthy he would be a gun signing

I think you're looking at these guys with the wrong perspective. They can do well against teams for 20 mins, after the other team has tired but for years have proven to not be good enough to start for their respective teams. We don't need bench players. We need definite improvement of the starting 11.

I'd say we can turn over a maximum of 4-5 players without effectively starting again next year. (i.e. wasting all the improvement we may or may not have made this year depending on your view.)

Left back, 1 CM, 2 attackers. This would be an easy way of not disrupting the team dynamics but still improving across the park. Then, only if we find real quality, we replace Mullen or another midfielder.

[plague]

We don't deserve to have Song back.

What a ledge.

[The Dunster]

Poljak is one of our best players IMO and easily my favourite.

You could use a sun dial to clock him over 100 metres.

[Retro Jet]

Brennan back in.
Was he in last week? I didn't look...

[StannyCFCJET]

Brennan back in.
Was he in last week? I didn't look...

he's been in the squad a few weeks now but never makes the bench. If Miller has two CDMs on the bench again **** me dead ill be pissed

[pv4]

You could use a sun dial to clock him over 100 metres.

Us slow runners need to stick together.

Stanny - if you're referring to Kanta as one of those CDMs, don't forget he can fill in basically anywhere in the backline plus CAM earlier in the season. Arguably our most versatile player, particularly of bench level.

[StannyCFCJET]

Us slow runners need to stick together.

Stanny - if you're referring to Kanta as one of those CDMs, don't forget he can fill in basically anywhere in the backline plus CAM earlier in the season. Arguably our most versatile player, particularly of bench level.

Yeah i am if we have Kanta then we dont need watson

[RAM]

Yeah i am if we have Kanta then we dont need watson

If we have a traffic cone then we don't need Watson.

[StannyCFCJET]

If we have a traffic cone then we don't need Watson.

RIP and I 100% agree im guessing he trains really well so miller keeps picking him. Only explanation

[borat]

Without Jackson on the bench and Cowburm starting, we need both Kanta and Watson also on the bench. Doesn't mean both make the field.

I think Brennan may get a run this week

[StannyCFCJET]

Without Jackson on the bench and Cowburm starting, we need both Kanta and Watson also on the bench. Doesn't mean both make the field.

I think Brennan may get a run this week

get rid of Watson flood bench with attacking players Cooper brennan kitto crowley and BK go for broke

[borat]

Kanta comes on for a DM, as happens every every week. Watson is there only for insurance and comes on for any injury to the back 6 defensive players with s reshuffle.

Cooper and Brennan/Kitto are the attacking subs

[Jeterpool]

Kanta will be filling in for Mullen.

Watson will be on the bench.

/argument

[380]

Lets hope Watson stays on the bench for the full 90 + injury time.

Better still hope he gets lost on the way to the stadium.

[riverboy]

Looks like there will be little transfer activity until ffa find new owners.
Meanwhile all other A league teams can sign and prepare for next season.

[riverboy]

With the youth team having a decent season, 2nd in group. Which players should be looked at for senior side?

Big raps are on lundt?
Tom whiteside?
Ben hay?

Dont know much about them, any reports?

[riverboy]

Lundy that is

[Fairgo]

With the youth team having a decent season, 2nd in group. Which players should be looked at for senior side?

Big raps are on lundt?
Tom whiteside?
Ben hay?

Dont know much about them, any reports?

Lundy played 3 out of the 8 games and already has a senior contract which will expire this year after 2 years I can not see the Jets keeping him he will be moved on?? Tom Whiteside has been let go as too old for upcoming NPL for the youth and not offered anything from the senior side assuming he has gone back to Sydney where he was from. Ben Hay is playing with Jaffas. I would not read too much into the Jets Youth coming 2nd in a 5 team comp over 8 rounds with very inconsistent teams fielded, Sydney and Newcastle playing week in week out several senior contracted players whilst WSW mainly played youth players throughout the comp and Centre of Excellance AIS are 15 16 17 year olds and Central Coast had a few games where they brought back senior contracted players but predominately played a youth side.

[Hunter403]

From the SMH

WHO COULD LEAVE MELBOURNE VICTORY?

Nick Ansell - Out of contract

Kosta Barbarouses - Gone. Signed by Wellington Phoenix

Gui Finkler - Out of contract and dumped from ACL squad

Giancarlo Gallifuoco - Out of contract and barely used

Jason Geria - Contracted but will attract overseas interest

Matthieu Delpierre - Out of contract and considering retirement

Fahid Ben Khalfallah - Contracted but overlooked from ACL

Archie Thompson - Out of contract and turns 38 this year

Lawrence Thomas - Contracted but not used all season

Carl Valeri - Contracted but serious illness has ended his season

WHO COULD LEAVE SYDNEY FC?

Zac Anderson - Out of contract and barely used this season

Alex Brosque - Out of contract and could retire

Jacques Faty - Out of contract and overlooked from ACL

Milos Ninkovic - Contracted but could be moved on

Chris Naumoff - Out of contract and could attract A-League interest

Filip Holosko - Contracted but overlooked from ACL

Alex Mullen - Out of contract and not used all season

Matt Simon - Out of contract and unlikely to fit into new plans

Mickael Tavares - Contracted but turns 34 in October

Jacob Tratt - Out of contract and not used all season

Robert Stambolziev - Out of contract and underwhelming this season

Riley Woodcock - Out of contract and barely used this season



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/melbourne-facing-a-rebuild-as-season-falters-20160318-gnlttb.html#ixzz43US4Eytd

Possibly huge clean outs on the way.

Would we want any?

Would they want any of ours?

Discuss.

[Jeterpool]

Many of those players are fringe players at their teams and I don't see them as being anything better than what we have here.

Naumoff would be a good addition. He's got potential to be a solid player.

I said a few weeks ago that I'd have a run at Finkler ahead of Leo.

For once I think we are covered at CB options. Thomas would be a handy back up if Birighitti leaves and we decide to promote Kennedy again.

[Grimario]

I would rather Ansell be a fringe player out our club than have the likes of Muata-Marlow in the team. Not that we could get Ansell as a 3rd/4th choice or anything, but would be nice.

There are a few names on that list where I had to check if they were actually real A-League contracted footballers.

[The Camel]

I would rather Ansell be a fringe player out our club than have the likes of Muata-Marlow in the team. Not that we could get Ansell as a 3rd/4th choice or anything, but would be nice.

There are a few names on that list where I had to check if they were actually real A-League contracted footballers.

I rate Ansell more highly than Mullen, if we could move Mullen on I would take Ansell as a replacement (he is younger too). Naumoff I would like to see us make a play for as a replacement for Enver in the starting line up. As for most of the rest of that list, of the uncontracted, no thanks

[MFKS]

Many of those players are fringe players at their teams and I don't see them as being anything better than what we have here.

Naumoff would be a good addition. He's got potential to be a solid player.

I said a few weeks ago that I'd have a run at Finkler ahead of Leo.

For once I think we are covered at CB options. Thomas would be a handy back up if Birighitti leaves and we decide to promote Kennedy again.
If Birraz leaves to me we have to try and be signing a like for like replacement.

We currently have one of the best keepers in the comp.

If he goes then we need to adequately replace


Not do what we done when Leaky G left
Use the rest of our squad to cover the void

We had a very good player and need to be trying to replace good players with equally as good options. Not settling for an inferior replacement for the sake of it

[Jeterpool]

If Birraz leaves to me we have to try and be signing a like for like replacement.

We currently have one of the best keepers in the comp.

If he goes then we need to adequately replace


Not do what we done when Leaky G left
Use the rest of our squad to cover the void

We had a very good player and need to be trying to replace good players with equally as good options. Not settling for an inferior replacement for the sake of it

I totally agree. However there isn't a great deal of quality keepers coming off contract this year. That leaves us to:

a) chase someone from overseas and who is there? Brad Jones I guess.
b) Use the position on a visa player
c) pinch someone from another team. My suggestion there would be have a go at Michael Theo.

[Frodo]

We need an owner, everything else is just going to be a waste of time once new owners come in so i don't care about players, i just want someone to buy us. New ownership changes everything.

[RAM]

FMD. Theo instead of BK. You've got to be kidding.

Don't waste a VISA spot either.

Use the cash from Birra to sign a better outfield player and put BK in there and call up a youth keeper for the bench.

[Jeterpool]

FMD. Theo instead of BK. You've got to be kidding.

Don't waste a VISA spot either.

Use the cash from Birra to sign a better outfield player and put BK in there and call up a youth keeper for the bench.

By cash, you mean his allocation of the salary cap? because he's a free agent at season's end. We won't get any money....or will we get some money as a "development fee" because he was with us for so long from 20?

[lquiquer]

I totally agree. However there isn't a great deal of quality keepers coming off contract this year. That leaves us to:

a) chase someone from overseas and who is there? Brad Jones I guess.
b) Use the position on a visa player
c) pinch someone from another team. My suggestion there would be have a go at Michael Theo.

Nathan Coe?

[stopper2]

FMD. Theo instead of BK. You've got to be kidding.

Don't waste a VISA spot either.

Use the cash from Birra to sign a better outfield player and put BK in there and call up a youth keeper for the bench.

Um, I'm pretty sure Theo's won at least 2 Keeper of the Year awards and has won about four A League Grand Finals plus a few Premierships thrown in for good measure but hey BK is a better option....you are kidding!!!
Theo has had some injuries both last season and this year so he has missed a lot of games so Jamie Young has more or less taken over as the #1 keeper at Roar, but when Theo is 100% fit he is amongst the top 3 or 4 keepers in the comp.

[Jeterpool]

Nathan Coe?

That's actually a decent shout.

Here's what he's up to...http://roccoandcoe.com.au/

[Jetmaster]

Use any funds to fill what we need to fil...left back and goalscorers etc, not goalkeeper. BK has done ok with shit in front of him. Would be happy for him to get the gig IF there was a decent squad on the field.

[tomo]

BK doesnt know how to move. He stands still and watches the ball go in the net n then blames everyone else...
I have no idea how he's been a contracted a-league player for so long, must have no gag reflex!

[RAM]

By cash, you mean his allocation of the salary cap? because he's a free agent at season's end. We won't get any money....or will we get some money as a "development fee" because he was with us for so long from 20?

Cap room

[RAM]

Um, I'm pretty sure Theo's won at least 2 Keeper of the Year awards and has won about four A League Grand Finals plus a few Premierships thrown in for good measure but hey BK is a better option....you are kidding!!!
Theo has had some injuries both last season and this year so he has missed a lot of games so Jamie Young has more or less taken over as the #1 keeper at Roar, but when Theo is 100% fit he is amongst the top 3 or 4 keepers in the comp.

Theo is overrated and not worth the money. We're better off spending it on outfield players. BK is not better than Theo, but financially he would be a better option IMO.

[tomo]

Theo is overrated and not worth the money. We're better off spending it on outfield players. BK is not better than Theo, but financially he would be a better option IMO.

So you'd be happier to settle for an inferior GK just because its financially viable?

[Grimario]

So you'd be happier to settle for an inferior GK just because its financially viable?

We're in a salary capped league. Of course you make those concessions, especially when you don't have a rich overlord subsidising players outside the cap. That's why we have a comparatively shit squad compared to most other teams.

The problem I have with RAM's suggestion is that isn't all the talk that BK is getting paid stupid money to be a back up? That's where the problem is... he's being paid starter level salary for a bench spot. If we lose Biraz (which we will), there's no point going out and getting a second GK on the same money BK is already on.

[Jetmaster]

So you'd be happier to settle for an inferior GK just because its financially viable?

I would take BK over an ageing injury prone Theo in a heartbeat. Again BK copping it from the haterz for no reason.

What was his last game for us again? GK in team of the week no less and a clean sheet v Victory.

[StannyCFCJET]

I would take BK over an ageing injury prone Theo in a heartbeat. Again BK copping it from the haterz for no reason.

What was his last game for us again? GK in team of the week no less and a clean sheet v Victory.

Bk was fantastic in that game but the BK haters always have their blinkers on and the guy can do nothing right

[Mark325]

Well we have goalkeeper sorted, we have centre back sorted, we have to sign a starting left back and a guy who can cover left and right fullback. Get rid of Watson and we can use cowburn as a bench mid. Leo and Nobby stay in the side and it looks like we'll surely be getting rid of Enver. Also looks like we're gonna get rid of Triff. So we need a new starting winger and a striker, or two wingers if Miller decides Nobby is a striker.
Although there is some good players in that list but none that we should consider

[lil_masi]

Well we have goalkeeper sorted, we have centre back sorted, we have to sign a starting left back and a guy who can cover left and right fullback. Get rid of Watson and we can use cowburn as a bench mid. Leo and Nobby stay in the side and it looks like we'll surely be getting rid of Enver. Also looks like we're gonna get rid of Triff. So we need a new starting winger and a striker, or two wingers if Miller decides Nobby is a striker.
Although there is some good players in that list but none that we should consider

Remember we have Labi to come back in

[Wilso8948]

Sign ansell and play 5 at the back with two wing backs. Or have 3 CB competing for two starting spots.
Out of that list I think Ansell or possibly finkler and Kal Fallah are the only others to look at seriously

[The Dunster]

Sign ansell and play 5 at the back with two wing backs. Or have 3 CB competing for two starting spots.
Out of that list I think Ansell or possibly finkler and Kal Fallah are the only others to look at seriously

Not Finkler. He's the laziest sack of shit in world football.

[Mark325]

Remember we have Labi to come back in

I wouldn't want Labi to be a starting player, should come off the bench

We're so close to a great team right now, we are genuinely about 4-5 players away from a top quality team

[Grimario]

I wouldn't want Labi to be a starting player, should come off the bench

We're so close to a great team right now, we are genuinely about 4-5 players away from a top quality team

So close... that we are still 25% of our squad away from a top quality team? :gent:

[The Camel]

Not Finkler. He's the laziest sack of shit in world football.

Nope, that honor belongs to David Carney

[Mark325]

So close... that we are still 25% of our squad away from a top quality team? :gent:

Fair call

[Hunter403]

Anyone want to bet our super Dane ends up at another A League club next season? We're too dumb to keep him

[MFKS]

Was rather interesting watching the players at the airport yesterday.

Nobby looks like he has settled in well and mixes in with his teammates

Milos and Enver are on their own

Leonardo is off on his own and in his own world

From what I seen I reckon we are long odds at resigning him just based on his body language and his teammates to him

[Nou Camp]

Was rather interesting watching the players at the airport yesterday.

Nobby looks like he has settled in well and mixes in with his teammates

Milos and Enver are on their own

Leonardo is off on his own and in his own world

From what I seen I reckon we are long odds at resigning him just based on his body language and his teammates to him

probably just had a big night out on the town the night before...

[Tommyjet]

Not Finkler. He's the laziest sack of shit in world football.
Not lazy at all, just a bit on the slow side

[RAM]

Not Finkler. He's the laziest sack of shit in world football.

If you want a workhorse no.10 then you don't want a no. 10...you want a midfield of water carriers with no creativity.

[RAM]

Sign ansell and play 5 at the back with two wing backs. Or have 3 CB competing for two starting spots.
Out of that list I think Ansell or possibly finkler and Kal Fallah are the only others to look at seriously

Kalfallah is def on the outer. Spending a lot of time at the casino from the interweb rumours...

Could be a great signing on the cheap - we don't even have a casino lol

[RAM]

Was rather interesting watching the players at the airport yesterday.

Nobby looks like he has settled in well and mixes in with his teammates

Milos and Enver are on their own

Leonardo is off on his own and in his own world

From what I seen I reckon we are long odds at resigning him just based on his body language and his teammates to him

Leonardo's posts on FB suggests he wants to go back to the Netherlands or Hungary / Europe in general imo

[Tommyjet]

Imo Leonardo had a wake up call from his agent a couple of weeks ago saying he no chance getting a gig next season in the Mongolian 4th division let alone the in the a-league therefore we are seeing the classic 'playing for next contract' form rather then the consistent form most in football desire. He was very impressive last game though.

[leftrightout]

If you want a workhorse no.10 then you don't want a no. 10...you want a midfield of water carriers with no creativity.

I'm glad someone else is on my page! People on this forum whinge about not having a creative player but when one is suggested they whinge that they are "lazy" when defending. I don't want my No.10 sitting deep defending.

Once again Carlos Hernandez tore this league up and didn't defend a single bit, ADP similar.
Why on earth you want a No.10 defending is beyond me!

[q-money]

imagine if we signed finkler ffs, if people think triff is lazy imagine the stick this bloke will get wowee

[Hunter403]

Was rather interesting watching the players at the airport yesterday.

Nobby looks like he has settled in well and mixes in with his teammates

Milos and Enver are on their own

Leonardo is off on his own and in his own world

From what I seen I reckon we are long odds at resigning him just based on his body language and his teammates to him



Enver and Triff have very limited English and are naturally drawn together by language. Not sure on Leonardo's English skills.

Nobby is a cunning linguist. I still reckon we will blow it and lose him.

[turbojetfireV8]

would rather try to hold onto Leo than have to go searching for a replacement at season's end - whether he's trying to improve his highlights reel for his next move or not, he's been great value the past few weeks, and for us to do our usual season's end rebuilding party trick and have to go out and look for a like for like player again could be problematic, I'd rather keep a player we can work with and convince him we have better beaches than Mongolia to entice him to stay...

[stopper2]

I'm glad someone else is on my page! People on this forum whinge about not having a creative player but when one is suggested they whinge that they are "lazy" when defending. I don't want my No.10 sitting deep defending.

Once again Carlos Hernandez tore this league up and didn't defend a single bit, ADP similar.
Why on earth you want a No.10 defending is beyond me!

It's all about finding the right balance and the system you play too. If you have 2 holding midfielders your #10 should not be expected to constantly be back-tracking helping out the defence. Sometimes the fear of conceding can over-ride common-sense. Not sure if we have been doing this all season but the last home game I noticed against the WSW that whenever we were defending a corner we had every player back defending. So what happens when the ball is cleared....it goes straight back to the opposition because there was no outlet provided.
For me if you expect your #9 or #10 to be constantly back-tracking that means you don't have faith in your defenders doing their job....unless you are playing "Total Football" where the defenders also become attackers!

[MFKS]

We push all blokes back for every corner

We have done so for years.

It is insane if you ask me as you invite the opposition to bring 9 blokes into and around your penalty area and you cough the ball up everytime you clear it

Every bloke you leave up the park causes the opponents to take 1 of those 9 away

Considering Birraz is not the greatest at crosses why cause an unnecessary problem crowding the box further??

[StannyCFCJET]

We push all blokes back for every corner

We have done so for years.

It is insane if you ask me as you invite the opposition to bring 9 blokes into and around your penalty area and you cough the ball up everytime you clear it

Every bloke you leave up the park causes the opponents to take 1 of those 9 away

Considering Birraz is not the greatest at crosses why cause an unnecessary problem crowding the box further??

we have a habbit of not marking properly for crosses and corners so maybe they feel that more bodies in the box will stop opposition runs and allow us to get to the ball first

[borat]

You can forget Finkler, just signed multi year deal with the Nix

[Bon]

Apart from his free kicks, I don't rate Stinkler at all..

[Nou Camp]

if triff doesn't start and we put in another solid performance
that would pretty much put him on the plane home

[tomo]

if triff doesn't start and we put in another solid performance
that would pretty much put him on the plane home

I agree...

[Premy]

Seen on Facebook that Leo has come to terms with leaving. He posted something about having 3 weeks left in Australia and then it back to Netherlands, Rotterdam.
Nice to see his confident we won't make the 6.

[Fairgo]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3810713/dane-nets-time-at-no9/?cs=306

Interesting comments about fringe players.

[StannyCFCJET]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3810713/dane-nets-time-at-no9/?cs=306

Interesting comments about fringe players.

and players like Watson have shown those things PLZ!!!!! it should be about who performs on game day. Some of the worlds greatest players havent been the best trainers

[The Dunster]

and players like Watson have shown those things PLZ!!!!! it should be about who performs on game day. Some of the worlds greatest players havent been the best trainers

Agree. It happens in all sorts of sports.

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/129c10595df871f1e0d1aa10c4bf9937?width=650

This bloke was one of the best Australia has ever seen and yet in training he wouldn't have beaten a pit pony. On game / race day though he was the best in the world.

[borat]

and players like Watson have shown those things PLZ!!!!! it should be about who performs on game day. Some of the worlds greatest players havent been the best trainers

So if you are a coach you are going to select the players that show you nothing in training?

Watson started the season in the first XI and his performances have seen him drop out of the team. He benefits from our formation including 2 players in his position. The 3 fringe players in the article have plenty of competition for their position, who are playing well enough to hold their spots, and clearly don't do enough in training.

As long as the sun rises and falls, there will be people on this forum banging the drum for players that have never actually been seen play. Because the myth must surely be better than what trots out for the Jets each week.

[MFKS]

It's the coaches job to get all players improving and pushing for a spot

Take Lundy for example kills it in NYL

Then can't get a run in the HAL when we are going shit

To make matters worse they then rub him out of NYL as he is wanted for HAL then don't even play him

Who the **** is to blame for that other than the coaching staff???

[Fairgo]

So if you are a coach you are going to select the players that show you nothing in training?

Watson started the season in the first XI and his performances have seen him drop out of the team. He benefits from our formation including 2 players in his position. The 3 fringe players in the article have plenty of competition for their position, who are playing well enough to hold their spots, and clearly don't do enough in training.

As long as the sun rises and falls, there will be people on this forum banging the drum for players that have never actually been seen play. Because the myth must surely be better than what trots out for the Jets each week.

Actually I find it refreshing to have a coach speak the truth instead I leading kids on that were poorly recruited from previous staff. I have watched them all over a few years play including Themba who has left with a year still to go on his contract except Brennan which I have watched this year in youth only and shake my head, who picks these players, I thought it was just me. I can see why they are having issues with recruiting and retaining players at youth level.

[rhysd]

It's the coaches job to get all players improving and pushing for a spot

Take Lundy for example kills it in NYL

Then can't get a run in the HAL when we are going shit

To make matters worse they then rub him out of NYL as he is wanted for HAL then don't even play him

Who the **** is to blame for that other than the coaching staff???

Not sure if there is any logic here?

So a player kills it in an inferior league/division so he therefore must be automatic selection over a player, playing in a higher grade, whom is competing/playing well in that position?

Lundy was given a chance against Sydney, someone pull up his stats for that game will prob reveal to you the extent of why he has not been I ncluded since..

We should always put out our strongest 11. Hence why Birraz was put back in as soon as medically fit. Lundy, Brennan and co.. Are not in our strongest 11

[MFKS]

So if the coaches take him out of football by not playing him in the Yoof or the HAL side and stop him playing at all where is the logic in that??

If he is doing well in the Yoof and getting close to a HAL spot you either pick him in the HAL side or you leave him in the Yoof to keep putting performances in

That is logic

You don't take him out of playing like the coaching department has done

Also if you write a young kid off after one appearance as a sub you ain't showing any logic whatsoever either

[The Dunster]

I'd rather sit on the A-league bench than play NYL every week. And so would a lot of these kids as well given the the choice.

[borat]

I would suggest Miller has seen enough of Lundy,Pavacevic and Brennan to decide they aren't up to A-League standard.

Just because most haven't sighted them doesn't mean that Miller hasn't seen enough to make that assessment.

[Tommyjet]

Any of you lads go to watch training?

[MFKS]

I would suggest Miller has seen enough of Lundy,Pavacevic and Brennan to decide they aren't up to A-League standard.

Just because most haven't sighted them doesn't mean that Miller hasn't seen enough to make that assessment.

Yet he keeps picking Watson and Alivodic??

Who obviously are HAL standard in his eyes???

[The Dunster]

Yet he keeps picking Watson and Alivodic??

Who obviously are HAL standard in his eyes???

State League and the NYL competitions are nowhere near the quality on offer in the A-league. Hence form in these lesser rated competitions means SFA at the A-league level.

Brown, Minnecon, Rooney, and Kale [to a lesser extent] completely dominated NYL yet at A-League level they were not able to produce the required form on a weekly basis.

Watson like it or not is way ahead of any of these NYL players - playing over 100 A-league games pretty much makes arguments to the contrary a complete waste of time.

[Jetmaster]

Yet he keeps picking Watson and Alivodic??

Who obviously are HAL standard in his eyes???

FFS ......just can it for once you miserable, negative, omnipotent ****. Happy Easter...may The Easter Griff bring you many eggz.

[plague]

i can see Members point. everyone has full faith in Millers opinions on these kids yet he's made some pretty baffling statements/selections and in game decisions.
aren't we allowed to call him out on some of his errors?
he's got no problem throwing his own players under the bus.

[MFKS]

i can see Members point. everyone has full faith in Millers opinions on these kids yet he's made some pretty baffling statements/selections and in game decisions.
aren't we allowed to call him out on some of his errors?
he's got no problem throwing his own players under the bus.
**** your having a bad day today

That's like twice you have agreed with me

Have your medicine please

[plague]

Have your medicine please

Oh man don't I know it.
I've been on holiday so been off my meds (doc won't let me take them o/s).
Can't even summon the power to snark all over some of the garbage blokes have been going on with lately.

[Couscous]

In situations like the Jets find themselves in, I like to ask myself: what would GVE do?

[MFKS]

In situations like the Jets find themselves in, I like to ask myself: what would GVE do?

Being he is the TD of the EJ

I would say **** up generation next for us

[The Dunster]

i can see Members point. everyone has full faith in Millers opinions on these kids yet he's made some pretty baffling statements/selections and in game decisions.
aren't we allowed to call him out on some of his errors?
he's got no problem throwing his own players under the bus.

But the bus is parked so it's not like anyone will get hurt.

[Boss]

We have a weak squad. Maybe he thinks they are slightly less shit than the other ones.

[Jeterpool]

Alivodic has been dropped in what is a big indicator he won't be around next season. With finals now gone I think Miller is looking at playing those who will be around and then not playing those who won't be.

[MFKS]

The only shock is that it took this long for him to be dropped

He has been pants for ****ing months

[rhysd]

I think we can conclude Leo, triff and enver won't be here next season

[plague]

Thought Cooper done ok.

[plague]

imagine how good we'd be with someone like former Soccerroo David Carney in our team........

[belchardo]

imagine how good we'd be with someone like former Soccerroo David Carney in our team........

Would have blitzed the league and gone undefeated all season.

[Premy]

Before tonight was happy to resign Cry Baby, I mean Leo.
However after his and Mateos little bitch fest over who would take the penalty I was over his shit. Nail in the coffin was watching him sprint down the tunnel after the full-time whistle.

All of today's antics along with his instagram post he can **** right off.

[MFKS]

Before tonight was happy to resign Cry Baby, I mean Leo.
However after his and Mateos little bitch fest over who would take the penalty I was over his shit. Nail in the coffin was watching him sprint down the tunnel after the full-time whistle.

All of today's antics along with his instagram post he can **** right off.

Never really noticed to tonight but he is one angry bloke

Never see him smile always ****ing cranky he looks

[parksey]

yeah unfortunately he looks like he's done here. he could have been something special, especially if he had a few more quality players around him.

[stopper2]

I know he had some injury issues early in the season but gee it's taken till round 25 to finally see Brennan get a run and you know what I reckon he done okay in the 20 minutes or so he was on. Would start him next week in that position and start Cooper in his best position at #10....he is not a wide player. Getting a bit over Leonardo's antics and as mentioned his tussle with Mateo over the penalty was kids stuff.

[The Dunster]

I'd get rid of Poljak without hesitation. He's just too ****ing slow.

[Tommyjet]

Any Leonardo lovers do yourself a favour and go watch training. The blokes a mental case. The other day I saw him abuse ugar for about 5 min because in a gameplay situation at training, ugar defended him well and stole the off Leonardo with ease. He is consistently walking around yelling at his teammates in Portuguese.
By now it seems to be a running joke for the rest of the team.

[hawk]

Thought Cooper done ok.

still not good enough yet*. how old is he