Daily Australian News Thread

[380]

Bloke should have stuck to what he does best, Put training cones out for proper coaches.

Was a piss poor answer to a question at a presser from a so called coach who is out of his depth. The longer that presser went on the greater of a train wreck it became for AP.

You would hope in his contract there were performance clauses for early termination, We can only hope he is close to having them triggered.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Bloke seems to be feeling the pressure a bit.

The league is still very close imo. We are a loss or 2 away from dwelling at the bottom, or a win or 2 away from cementing ourselves in the 6.

Pappas’ comments aren’t exactly wrong. The youth side of things and development through isn’t ideal. There’s flaws. But he’s basically said the kids involved have no hope. When kids from Newcastle/Hunter are preferring to drive down to gypos and to play youth, there’s a problem with the youth setup.
Whether it be the competition they are in, if they think they have better development playing local NPL, who knows. But Jets youth should be seen as the pinnacle of youth football in the region. Every kid should want to play for them. At the moment that’s not the case.

And sorry to Pappas, but some of that comes down to the lack of direction of the first team. Who is aspiring to play for wooden spoon contending team whose future is constantly up in the air.
There’s a myriad of issues at play.
To put some blame onto some pretty loyal local coaches (while not perfect) is pretty poor imo and not quite the way to go about winning over some critics.

[Frodo]

I'm yet to see what's wrong with his statement. He was asked why he wasn't turning to Youth since the team was struggling and he both agreed that the first team players aren't good enough (otherwise he would have said he didn't need to look at youth players) and admitted the club's youth team has been struggling for a few years (which of course it has since we haven't had an owner to properly fund us for years now.)


McBreen should have used it as opportunity to both admit that the youth team is being massively under funded while also talking up the couple of players that actually have come though in recent years. Would have been more useful for everyone than getting offended.

[380]

McBreen did take an opportunity to put on record just how underfunded the youth set up was and funding going in the wrong direction, It could also be suggested Papas could have also gone down the more diplomatic route at the presser as opposed to try and make it about those in charge of the actual hands on coaching at that point in time.

Just like the Knights coach everytime AP goes off script its just plain bizarre, Maybe needs to regroup.

[My2BobsWorth]

I'm yet to see what's wrong with his statement. He was asked why he wasn't turning to Youth since the team was struggling and he both agreed that the first team players aren't good enough (otherwise he would have said he didn't need to look at youth players) and admitted the club's youth team has been struggling for a few years (which of course it has since we haven't had an owner to properly fund us for years now.)


McBreen should have used it as opportunity to both admit that the youth team is being massively under funded while also talking up the couple of players that actually have come though in recent years. Would have been more useful for everyone than getting offended.

Funding has nothing to do with talent

[Jetmaster]

Why can't Archie Goodwin get a start in this club by now??

I asked Papas this directly over a drink a while back.

The concern is Archie has the potential to be Kanta 2.0 and will break if not careful. Isn't handling it well either.

[Frodo]

Funding has nothing to do with talent

All the talent is heading down the F3 to better funded youth systems. So yes, it would seem that funding does have an affect on talent.

Also, considering the club is ownerless and there's been very little interest from potential owners that most people know about, it's not exactly surprising that kids/parents would rather choose another club that they know will be here in a couple of years time.

[Imyourhero]

Wouldn't parents/kids also choose other programs given the extreme lack of pathways from our own youth program to the 1st team? Talent goes both ways & I don't have much faith that Newcastle football has had the appropriate talent to identify gifted players nor provide a relevant pathway in the last 2-3 decades.

[380]

Said it before say it again and and at the risk of being flamed by those parents who have paid through the nose on the back of false promises.

Too many kids get picked for these so called pathways/academies based on there families financial circumstances and as theses kids get older the reality sets in. I have seen many kids play football twice as good as some of these " cash cow kids " and not get the opportunities simply because of the prohibitive costs involved.

I can recall about ten years ago a kid not being selected for a rep team when he should have. My young bloke was one of the first picked but this other kid ran rings around my young bloke and every other one there on selection day. I guess the fact this kid was trialing in a t shirt that looked 3 sizes too big for him a pair of rugby league shorts socks up to his thighs and i kid you not a pair of what looked like 2nd generation hand me down Dunlop gold cup boots for all you old buggers like me out there. The kid was indigenous, a fact am sure was not missed either.Since that day and IMO this is one of the primary reasons we don't produce the way we should be.

I could not believe for the life of me this kid missed out and even now to this day it still makes me salty. Its no wonder we find this region in the state it is when selection criteria was and perhaps still is not entirely about what it should be.

[anfield]

I'm yet to see what's wrong with his statement. He was asked why he wasn't turning to Youth since the team was struggling and he both agreed that the first team players aren't good enough (otherwise he would have said he didn't need to look at youth players) and admitted the club's youth team has been struggling for a few years (which of course it has since we haven't had an owner to properly fund us for years now.)


McBreen should have used it as opportunity to both admit that the youth team is being massively under funded while also talking up the couple of players that actually have come though in recent years. Would have been more useful for everyone than getting offended.

I Agree, I think the Newcastle Herald are a little short of stories at the moment and have blown this out of proportion. Is Papas supposed to lie?

Youth team hasn't supplied anywhere near enough players ever.

I did watch last seasons NSW NPL 3 Grand Final online and I did see some potential First team players. Ben Van Dorssen and Angus Muddle do look class players who hopefully might get a chance to get a full time contract next A League season. But the reality is they are playing in the 3rd tier of NSW Football next season, Hardly the type of preparation for stepping up against A League opposition.

[finzee]

I Agree, I think the Newcastle Herald are a little short of stories at the moment and have blown this out of proportion. Is Papas supposed to lie?

Youth team hasn't supplied anywhere near enough players ever.

Thats due to the incompetence of said programs right through the club starting with owners and including current coaches on ALL levels.

Pappas is now part of the ongoing inept ignorance of our youth. We have the cattle but never had the appropriate programs.

[Oldy]

I Agree, I think the Newcastle Herald are a little short of stories at the moment and have blown this out of proportion. Is Papas supposed to lie?

Youth team hasn't supplied anywhere near enough players ever.

I did watch last seasons NSW NPL 3 Grand Final online and I did see some potential First team players. Ben Van Dorssen and Angus Muddle do look class players who hopefully might get a chance to get a full time contract next A League season. But the reality is they are playing in the 3rd tier of NSW Football next season, Hardly the type of preparation for stepping up against A League opposition.

The clubs is at fault full stop.

There's been plenty other worthy players. No one would have been bothered to check out but the youth setup has lacked a serious setup as is the pathway to firsts from arrogant dipsh1t coaches.

[Oldy]

Said it before say it again and and at the risk of being flamed by those parents who have paid through the nose on the back of false promises.

Too many kids get picked for these so called pathways/academies based on there families financial circumstances and as theses kids get older the reality sets in. I have seen many kids play football twice as good as some of these " cash cow kids " and not get the opportunities simply because of the prohibitive costs involved.

I can recall about ten years ago a kid not being selected for a rep team when he should have. My young bloke was one of the first picked but this other kid ran rings around my young bloke and every other one there on selection day. I guess the fact this kid was trialing in a t shirt that looked 3 sizes too big for him a pair of rugby league shorts socks up to his thighs and i kid you not a pair of what looked like 2nd generation hand me down Dunlop gold cup boots for all you old buggers like me out there. The kid was indigenous, a fact am sure was not missed either.Since that day and IMO this is one of the primary reasons we don't produce the way we should be.

Ive seen that but actually amazingly happens to white kids as well since we are virtue signaling.
The coaches who run the show will pick the kids in "their program" or the familiar parents after the obvious ones have been picked. Yes some parents prefer their talented child to stay completely out of the toxic political environment altogether.

My mates kid has the choice of AFL or soccer reps.
I think AFL will win out as there are many more opportunities here in our own country.

[belchardo]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/01/21/cup-winner-yorke-parts-ways-with-bulls/

Yorke leaves bulls by mutual agreement. Plenty of comments about rumours he'll replace Corica. Seems a bit far fetched to me but sydney do have the whole panic-stations look about them at the moment, so I wouldn't be overly surprised if it was true.

[Jetmaster]

If we win today the much vaunted Australia Day Big Blue will be a spoon battle.

[Jetmaster]

Dwight drops the truth bombs...

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/pub-team-the-dressing-room-spray-that-led-to-yorke-macarthur-split-20230122-p5cek3.html

[belchardo]

Dwight drops the truth bombs...

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/pub-team-the-dressing-room-spray-that-led-to-yorke-macarthur-split-20230122-p5cek3.html

Bang on the money in my opinion.

[mic22]

Dwight drops the truth bombs...

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/pub-team-the-dressing-room-spray-that-led-to-yorke-macarthur-split-20230122-p5cek3.html

I remember similar remarks from Leroy George and Honda about intensity of training and professionalism in general.

[Jetmaster]

Sorry Ch10/P+, but pretending Australia Day doesn't exist, forcing your commentators to keep saying "26th January", and making the prematch to both A-League games look like NAIDOC week have ruined what has been a lovely peaceful day.

Your stream coming on 20 mins late didn't help my mood either.

[finzee]

Sorry Ch10/P+, but pretending Australia Day doesn't exist, forcing your commentators to keep saying "26th January", and making the prematch to both A-League games look like NAIDOC week have ruined what has been a lovely peaceful day.

Your stream coming on 20 mins late didn't help my mood either.

Media has to comply with the far leftist culture so they keep their jobs and avoid social media attacks.

Pity we have to vilify all other cultures in this c*ntry on this day. But where im from im used to it.

[samcan]

GVE from boys youth to Jets womens 1st grade. Why?

[Alton]

Surely not, our youth system needs consistency

[Eastwest]

Surely not, our youth system needs consistency

Surely is. Agree. Youth needs a a stable setup. Any club for that matter

[belchardo]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/02/03/fa-takes-big-step-towards-promotion-relegation-for-a-league-with-commitment-to-national-second-tier/

Pretty big announcement. Glad to see it, I hope it meets expectations.

[Thomas477]

Our league atm isn’t sustainable, I can’t see how adding more clubs will assist this.

I know everyone is all pro pro/rel, but realistically how about we get a comp that can sustain itself first before adding more teams.

[mic22]

Our league atm isn’t sustainable, I can’t see how adding more clubs will assist this.

I know everyone is all pro pro/rel, but realistically how about we get a comp that can sustain itself first before adding more teams.

I think it will take many years for pro/rel between a-league and 2nd div to become a realistic option.

Adding a couple more teams won't hurt, imo.

[The Dunster]

FA is really doubling down even thinking of a 2nd tier comp when the first tier can't get owners, crowds or attract quality players.

[380]

Rule #1 in business when things are going shit, Create a diversion.

[Jetmaster]

Not the best timing - they should ignore the NPL pressure and get the A-League house in order first.

The ALW is losing money hand over fist at the moment due to lack of genuine interest (ie - bums on seats and viewers), this is sheer folly.

Unless of course the idea is to have this ready for when the main league falls over and we go back to the 1990's.

[My2BobsWorth]

Rule #1 in business when things are going shit, Create a diversion.

And politics, exhibit one, the voice

[Eastwest]

FA is really doubling down even thinking of a 2nd tier comp when the first tier can't get owners, crowds or attract quality players.

This is a disaster.

The real reason is the old nsl clubs want their glory back.

[Buddha]

Not the best timing - they should ignore the NPL pressure and get the A-League house in order first.

The ALW is losing money hand over fist at the moment due to lack of genuine interest (ie - bums on seats and viewers), this is sheer folly.

Unless of course the idea is to have this ready for when the main league falls over and we go back to the 1990's.

The A-Liga is an APL problem, they wanted independence, they've got it. FA have nothing to do with them anymore.

[MFKS]

This is a disaster.

The real reason is the old nsl clubs want their glory back.

What exactly is wrong with bringing them back ??

We should never have brought Western United into the comp when we could easily have brought South Melbourne Hellas back into the equation.

This going main stream shit doesn't actually work in theory

[Jim]

What exactly is wrong with bringing them back ??

We should never have brought Western United into the comp when we could easily have brought South Melbourne Hellas back into the equation.

This going main stream shit doesn't actually work in theory

Dreamin.

How many world cups did we make under that brilliant nsl regime? How many have we made since its demise... only all of them

It isnt perfect but its the best weve done for a country that doesnt like socca.

You can still go be a pretend to be an ultra at hellas if you want.

[ForeverRed]

Dreamin.

How many world cups did we make under that brilliant nsl regime? How many have we made since its demise... only all of them

It isnt perfect but its the best weve done for a country that doesnt like socca.

You can still go be a pretend to be an ultra at hellas if you want.

We weren’t competing against third world countries to make the World Cup back in the NSL days, Asia is a little easier then before

[Jim]

We weren’t competing against third world countries to make the World Cup back in the NSL days, Asia is a little easier then before

Made the WC in 74 against good opposition pre nsl. Any other throw away excuses?

nsl only appeals to narrow cultures. A diluted Aleague "can" appeal to any socca supporter more through geographical location.

Those who choose to stick to their own can.

[MFKS]

Dreamin.

How many world cups did we make under that brilliant nsl regime? How many have we made since its demise... only all of them

It isnt perfect but its the best weve done for a country that doesnt like socca.

You can still go be a pretend to be an ultra at hellas if you want.

We produced players in the NSL

Bosnich
Schwarzer
Emerton
Viduka
Bresciano
Grella
Chipperfield
Okon
Zelic
Gypo Arnold
Farina
Slater
Aloisi

Yes we produced players who could play in the EPL and top leagues in the world from the NSL

All the ALeague produces is players for the Scottish Premier League

The reality is the ethnic clubs are not the problem and never were the problem

Time they were welcomed back into the fold

[Aegon]

We produced players in the NSL

Bosnich
Schwarzer
Emerton
Viduka
Bresciano
Grella
Chipperfield
Okon
Zelic
Gypo Arnold
Farina
Slater
Aloisi

Yes we produced players who could play in the EPL and top leagues in the world from the NSL

All the ALeague produces is players for the Scottish Premier League

The reality is the ethnic clubs are not the problem and never were the problem

Time they were welcomed back into the fold

Football development has come a long way since a lot of these players were involved. Internationally and locally.

However the problem seems to be more the lack of opportunity in the current system for young up and coming players.

Most of the above got early, consistent minutes playing at the top national level which the A League unfortunately does not provide consistently enough.

If a second division is coming into being I would hope that there are some rules implemented that enforce a minimum number of U23 or U21 local players so we are not just increasing the team numbers without addressing the actual issue.

[Guerny]

I personally think a bit a skippys vs hellas/azzuri/balkan racial tension would be more exciting than most of the on field action...

what could go wrong? (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/nov/04/sydney-united-sanctioned-by-football-australia-for-deeply-offensive-fan-behaviour)

[Buddha]

If a second division is coming into being I would hope that there are some rules implemented that enforce a minimum number of U23 or U21 local players so we are not just increasing the team numbers without addressing the actual issue.
Minimum number of U23s in the season squad list - Yes

Minimum number of U23s in the Matchday squad - No

[Frodo]

I dislike minimum requirements for teams to have youth, or local, or whatever in their squad.

Make them incentives instead.

Make x% of a teams share of the TV earnings related to Australian/Kiwi players. Another x% related to academy players. So the teams with money can build the teams the way they want, and the smaller teams van use these incentives to keep them competitive. It also means there's a financial incentive to build academies and find the best young talent from around the country. Could also help solve some of the issues kids football already has with cash being the main driver instead of talent.


Obviously this needs a lot more explanation, and the figures make a huge difference, but I think it makes more sense to allow smaller teams to close the gap between the wealthy ones by either producing their own talent to play with or sell them to the better teams for large fees to reinvest.

[Jardelsimage]

McGarry is gone

[belchardo]

I dislike minimum requirements for teams to have youth, or local, or whatever in their squad.

Make them incentives instead.

Make x% of a teams share of the TV earnings related to Australian/Kiwi players. Another x% related to academy players. So the teams with money can build the teams the way they want, and the smaller teams van use these incentives to keep them competitive. It also means there's a financial incentive to build academies and find the best young talent from around the country. Could also help solve some of the issues kids football already has with cash being the main driver instead of talent.


Obviously this needs a lot more explanation, and the figures make a huge difference, but I think it makes more sense to allow smaller teams to close the gap between the wealthy ones by either producing their own talent to play with or sell them to the better teams for large fees to reinvest.

I like the concept. Implementation would be extremely difficult.

[MFKS]

I dislike minimum requirements for teams to have youth, or local, or whatever in their squad.

Make them incentives instead.

Make x% of a teams share of the TV earnings related to Australian/Kiwi players. Another x% related to academy players. So the teams with money can build the teams the way they want, and the smaller teams van use these incentives to keep them competitive. It also means there's a financial incentive to build academies and find the best young talent from around the country. Could also help solve some of the issues kids football already has with cash being the main driver instead of talent.


Obviously this needs a lot more explanation, and the figures make a huge difference, but I think it makes more sense to allow smaller teams to close the gap between the wealthy ones by either producing their own talent to play with or sell them to the better teams for large fees to reinvest.

All the clubs have got a motivational factor in place for developing players it's called ****ing money

The more players we as a development league start sending overseas the more the money will go up

Look at the Japanese Korean and American leagues. You don't think the Euro clubs be scouring for the next Mitoma Pulisic Son etc in these domestic comps

There are bargains to be had from the MLS JLeague etc

Why any of the A League clubs have no interest in playing kids is beyond me.

It's the easiest way to get some big $$ in to balance the books as soon as you find the one to sell off to Europe

With no relegation can anyone offer a valid reason why Jets shouldnt be playing the youth ??

Gotta be better than playing the likes of Jurman Elsey etc

As for your point about incentives the ALeague should be cutting the foreigner numbers which straight away should see better quality foreigners plus will open up more spots for locajs

Instead of allowing 5 foreigners let's make it 3 and this will force the clubs to be more prudent with their choices not hoping to get 2 out of 5 as a success which seems to be the go

Despite it being a commie value the League should be forcing the clubs hands to be more interested in playing local young Aussie players than they currently are. Whether this requires a rule to force change is a necessary evil but it is high time we got rid of the chaff

[turbojetfireV8]

Piscopo news from the Herald today:

A-League soccer, 2023: In-form attacker Reno Piscopo faces stint on sideline in blow to Jets' finals drive
James Gardiner
By James Gardiner
Updated February 15 2023 -6:52 pm, first published 4:00 pm

Reno Piscopo will be sidelined for at least a month after scans confirmed that the game-breaking midfielder has a serious adductor injury in a blow to the Newcastle Jets' drive for the A-League finals.

Piscopo pulled up lame after striking a ball during the warm-up before the Jets' 2-1 win over Melbourne Victory on Sunday.

The 24-year-old was replaced in the starting side by Kosta Grozos, who scored the match-winner - his maiden goal in the A-League.

Piscopo was at training on Wednesday but was on light duties and could miss up to six matches.

The setback comes at an inopportune time for Piscopo - and the Jets.

After a disrupted start to the campaign due to a calf issue, Piscopo has found his mojo in the past month.

Moved to a more central role, where he has been able to get between the lines and break up the defence, Piscopo scored a contender for goal of the year against Perth and has taken his assist tally to three.

The Jets are unbeaten in the past five games - netting nine goals - and have a chance to move into the top six with a win over Macarthur at Campbelltown on Saturday.

Grozos is likely to again o get the nod in the No.10 role.

"I train my hardest every week and it is up to the boss to pick his XI," Grozos said. "Reno was one of our best players. He was finding his top form, scoring and assisting. I feel sorry for him but I'm sure he will be back stronger."

Grozos admitted he was "in shock" after the match-winner against Victory.

"I haven't really had that experience of scoring and that feeling," he said. "Hopefully there is plenty more to come."

Jets co-captain Carl Jenkinson has plenty of confidence in Grozos, who the defender likened to former Arsenal teammate Mesut Ozil.

"I call Kosta, Mesut sometimes," Jenkinson said after the win. "He plays like Mesut Ozil. His weight of pass is fantastic. "

Grozos has started in five of his 12 appearances this season and said his approach remained the same.

"I know what I need to do whether I come on or start," he said. "I need to be the creative player for the team.

"We need to keep playing the way we have been in the past five games. We are on a good roll and are playing good footy."

In a positive, Brandon O'Neil (knee) has resumed full training and Callum Timmins (adductor) is also close to a return.

[belchardo]

Piscopo news from the Herald today:

Bugger.

[Jeterpool]

You could tell it was serious after the game. He was shuffling off very uncomfortably.

[Tommyjet]

Our 2 best forward passing players are proving to be on the sideline too often this season.
Hopefully saito can show us the directness we are lacking with piscopo and O'Neil out

[Jetmaster]

Just for something different - dug out one of the old DVDs and noted this pic on the label of the active support on that first A-League night..

Anyone of interest still with us?

1820

[evolution]

Just for something different - dug out one of the old DVDs and noted this pic on the label of the active support on that first A-League night..

Anyone of interest still with us?

1820

Wow I have not seen that photo for a while! I am in there smack bang in the middle.

[turbojetfireV8]

Wow I have not seen that photo for a while! I am in there smack bang in the middle.
I would have been there, but being a bit shorter there I would have probably been standing further back on the path so I could actually see the match - for the United matches too ;)

[Frodo]

Can't wait to find out if there's any truth to the "Zads punched a player during a 5 a side drill recently" rumours, lol.


Mostly surprised it wasn't Rudan that did it first to be honest.

[mic22]

Can't wait to find out if there's any truth to the "Zads punched a player during a 5 a side drill recently" rumours, lol.


Mostly surprised it wasn't Rudan that did it first to be honest.

There's a full article in the Sydney Herald, they say the incident was also recorded with a drone.

Funny how the Herald only reports about the A-league when something dodgy happens.

[MFKS]

The question that has to be asked in all this BS is that Ruben retired from playing at a young age as he had chronic knee issues

Exactly what the **** is he doing playing 5 a side in the first place with dodgy knees ??

[Frodo]

There's a full article in the Sydney Herald, they say the incident was also recorded with a drone.

Funny how the Herald only reports about the A-league when something dodgy happens.

That's why I'll wait to see if there's any truth to it. I don't believe a word the SMH writes nowadays unfortunately.

[Jetmaster]

Probably nothing to see here:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/perth-glory-coach-player-in-physical-altercation-at-training-20230223-p5cn6c.html

[Buddha]

Meanwhile, Sydney Croatia back in the headlines again for all the wrong reasons

[Couscous]

It's always troubling to see Zadkovich described as a former Socceroo. Brings back shameful memories of the Verbeek era's lowest ebbs.

Nonetheless, Ruben remains a king to me.

[My2BobsWorth]

Under 20 Asia cup starts tonight 9pm, Australia and Vietnam, for those that are interested, on 10 play

[jandysardine]

Under 20 Asia cup starts tonight 9pm, Australia and Vietnam, for those that are interested, on 10 play

didn't go to plan wasn't a good watch

[ForeverRed]

How we lose to countries like Vietnam is beyond me 🤷*♂️🤦*♂️

[Buddha]

How we lose to countries like Vietnam is beyond me ��*♂️��*♂️

Not sure is sarcasm or no. Countries in Vietnam are investing heavily in their youth and the rewards are paying off for them. They're football mad but without the vast resources.

[plague]

How we lose to countries like Vietnam is beyond me 🤷*♂️🤦*♂️

Those Vietnam kids were better than at least 75% of the locals we have in the A-League at the moment.

But sure, lets keep sneering and assuming THEY are the developing football nation.

[My2BobsWorth]

Our best performance was 2010, beaten in the final by Kim Jong Il and his boys. Make a good South park episode lol

[MFKS]

How we lose to countries like Vietnam is beyond me 🤷*♂️🤦*♂️


You need to get out more

Most of these SE Asia players would walk it in our comp

The physicality would be the only thing that would hold them up

Skill on the ball they got it all over us

It amazes me the likes of Thailand Malaysia Indonesia Vietnam do so little in Asian football with the talent they have

[ForeverRed]

Those Vietnam kids were better than at least 75% of the locals we have in the A-League at the moment.

But sure, lets keep sneering and assuming THEY are the developing football nation.
There’s no sneering, in reality we SHOULD defeat Vietnam, not having half the team available doesn’t help either due to FIFA dates, we are playing for a spot in a World Cup, everyone should be available

[Frodo]

There’s no sneering, in reality we SHOULD defeat Vietnam, not having half the team available doesn’t help either due to FIFA dates, we are playing for a spot in a World Cup, everyone should be available

Genuine question, what makes you think we should be beating these teams? We barely have a youth system at all, the best way to become a socceroo these days is to be a below average player somewhere in Europe with any sort of links to an Aussie passport, then settle for Australia once you real you don't have a chance with your actual national team.

[Bon]

Genuine question, what makes you think we should be beating these teams? We barely have a youth system at all, the best way to become a socceroo these days is to be a below average player somewhere in Europe with any sort of links to an Aussie passport, then settle for Australia once you real you don't have a chance with your actual national team.

Can't even get in to the team by marrying the coaches daughter anymore... What's happened to the world?!?! :gent:

[Buddha]

There’s no sneering, in reality we SHOULD defeat Vietnam, not having half the team available doesn’t help either due to FIFA dates, we are playing for a spot in a World Cup, everyone should be available

No we shouldn't. They invest heavily in youth. They're constantly playing matches whereas our youth group reach 15 and then there's nothing available for them. They have been in camp for 4 months and we have been in camp for probably 2 weeks.

[My2BobsWorth]

Sack the coach, get popavic out, put Archie in ffs

[jandysardine]

why don't the jets ever post any youth results on their Facebook
are they even part of this club

[My2BobsWorth]

U20 Asia cup tonight 9PM, Australia and Qatar, 10 play, for those that are interested

[ForeverRed]

Those Vietnam kids were better than at least 75% of the locals we have in the A-League at the moment.

But sure, lets keep sneering and assuming THEY are the developing football nation.
Looks like I was correct, Vietnam didn’t make it to the through the group stage, 75% of Australians are better then Vietnam

[Aegon]

why don't the jets ever post any youth results on their Facebook
are they even part of this club

They are starting to post some results via the Newcastle Jets Academy facebook page, however it isn't consistent.

[MFKS]

Looks like I was correct, Vietnam didn’t make it to the through the group stage, 75% of Australians are better then Vietnam

They didn't get out there of the group on goal difference

Their 2 wins and not to get out of the group see them as quite unfortunate all things considered

[ForeverRed]

Fold the club now

[MFKS]

Fold the club now

The dickheads running our club are asking us to fork out $210 plus GST to listen to some Gypo ****wit ramble on before our next match

I wouldnt front up if I was being paid $210 without the GST let alone $1000 to listen to this dickhead

[Jetmaster]

The dickheads running our club are asking us to fork out $210 plus GST to listen to some Gypo ****wit ramble on before our next match

I wouldnt front up if I was being paid $210 without the GST let alone $1000 to listen to this dickhead

To be fair - they are not asking $210 to see Arnold. $210 is the usual ticket price to go to the lounge and have the food and drink deal, if you do not already have a corporate allocation. There are speakers every game, just this time a big name they want to advertise to fill the lounge, which I believe they have done.

[belchardo]

https://keepup.com.au/news/a-league-western-united-nikolai-topor-stanley/

Topor is retiring. Best of luck to him, I thought he was great for us and wish we had kept him.

[belchardo]

https://youtu.be/x-IMIQsLFGU

That goal against Perth.

[Jetmaster]

Yes - if we kept him and not bothered with Elsey we would have had some stability last season and maybe made the finals.

The one major recruitment mistake last season, as proven by his continuing ability to play good football.

[StannyCFCJET]

Yes - if we kept him and not bothered with Elsey we would have had some stability last season and maybe made the finals.

The one major recruitment mistake last season, as proven by his continuing ability to play good football.

Papas wanted to play with a high line. Toppa sadly can't do that.

[Frodo]

Papas wanted to play with a high line. Toppa sadly can't do that.

Yeah, but it turns out neither could Elsey or Jurman anyways..

[380]

Yeah, but it turns out neither could Elsey or Jurman anyways..

This
Particularly Jurman

[belchardo]

Topor has always been the slow guy that gets to the right spot at the right time.

[StannyCFCJET]

Yeah, but it turns out neither could Elsey or Jurman anyways..

Yeah but that doesnt change the fact

[Macca]

Topor has always been the slow guy that gets to the right spot at the right time.

Is he though? Maybe over 10 yards but I had memories of him reeling in attackers chasing through balls in his last stint with us pretty comfortably.

Ball playing wise he would have struggled with our style, but I don't know if I'd see Jurman as an upgrade in that regard. For me they are pretty similar style players, Jurman maybe a better defender in close quarters but Topor a better athlete - Jurman struggles for speed whenever he's in a footrace.

To Jurman's credit I haven't hated watching him as much this season, the pairing of him and Jenkinson has largely gone OK. Almost every time he tries to pass to someone who isn't the fullback or other CB, I'm just waiting for the turnover though.

Was disappointed that Natta didn't see much time after what I thought was a bright start to the season, anyone know why he fell out of favour? Seemed he got a head knock and never made it back to the starting side.

[My2BobsWorth]

Papas wanted to play with a high line. Toppa sadly can't do that.

It's not the high line, he didn't like playing out from the back, but he could put the ball on the foot of a running player from 50 yards, so who gives a shit

[Jeterpool]

Was disappointed that Natta didn't see much time after what I thought was a bright start to the season, anyone know why he fell out of favour? Seemed he got a head knock and never made it back to the starting side.

By the time he was right for a return, Jurman and Jenko were on a good run and we were on our short winning streak.

I think he's one for next season and I wonder if we will be starting Cancar and Natta next season. I highly doubt it because I don't know how strong either are at defense organisation - and when we really struggled that was what was missing and was solved once we recruited Boogaard.

[Jetmaster]

One of the great Topor memories at the Jets....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTDm4l8C2zA

[Eastwest]

Topor has always been the slow guy that gets to the right spot at the right time.

Theres an art in that alone. What a champion. Makes the play with little effort as possible.

[belchardo]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-30/referee-assaulted-soccer-match-padstow-sydney/102284392

Ffs. ALW grand final day and this happens. Can guarantee this will get more airplay than the match.

1. Hope the ref is ok
2. Hope the lowlife that did it ends up in prison

[Jeterpool]

Victory confirm following departures:

Matt Acton
Lleyton Brooks
Tomi Juric
Kike Lopez

[plague]

Hahahahaha, i cannot WAIT for the first meeting of our new Fan Engagement Group with management where the useless entitled prat fans only suggestions are to give us cheaper beer and stop starting Hoffman.

If any of these dopes in Row 22 were any level of smart they'd already be employed by the FFA and handsomely compensated for such stupid ideas, but now they want to give them away for free?


Morons.


I love Australian football.

[Jetmaster]

Ninko strongarmed out of the Smurf room by the bouncers......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW1VTChXQgg

[Hunter403]

Plague for the Fan Engagement Group!

[Jeterpool]

Hahahahaha, i cannot WAIT for the first meeting of our new Fan Engagement Group with management where the useless entitled prat fans only suggestions are to give us cheaper beer and stop starting Hoffman.

If any of these dopes in Row 22 were any level of smart they'd already be employed by the FFA and handsomely compensated for such stupid ideas, but now they want to give them away for free?


Morons.


I love Australian football.

I was part of this group when it kicked off back in the days of Middleby, along with Furns and GazFish (and others).
We actually got few things worked through with the club - varying membership packs, kids on the field, 10% discount at food stands for members, voting on away kits, lobbying long and hard to have gold as our primary kit, reciprocal free entry for F3 derbies to make but a few things. Lawrie and Sam Millar were very supportive, open and action minded.
The group was well spread too - older members, all level members, active, members with families, younger members too.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out and if it can actually make a change, how the leader reps from each club work together, who they are and whether the APL actually do something with it or if it's just a token gesture.

Ultimately those who go in need to represent the group the have been chosen to (and have active means to engage and seek input). If they go in it just to push their own agenda it will fail

Here is the link to the old thread for interest if anyone https://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/showthread.php?779-Fans-rep-committee-(discussion-allowed)-thread

[plague]

If they go in it just to push their own agenda it will fail


Well, looks like im out then.

[Jeterpool]

Well, looks like im out then.

Yeah but you're canny enough to make it sound like everyone's idea.

Think of the podcast material it would bring!

[plague]

Think of the podcast material it would bring!

Still bitter.

[Jeterpool]

Still bitter.

I'd do a special episode return if you were on it

[MFKS]

Who is the ������ making the survey on behalf of the club??

Why is the first question asking if I identify as an attack helicopter or anyone of these other make believe genders ??

Two is the magic number

[belchardo]

Who is the ������ making the survey on behalf of the club??

Why is the first question asking if I identify as an attack helicopter or anyone of these other make believe genders ??

Two is the magic number

I'm less concerned about that than I am about the fact I can't say that I don't use any of the offered social media channels.

[MFKS]

This membership renewal crap

I am planning on opting out of them stinging me for cash in June when the season don't start for 4 months

It is way to early in the off season for this and with our dodgy ownership situation this to me smells like the practice of clubs hitting up their junior players for next year to pay their seniors for this year BS

Something ain't right about the cash grab

[Bremsstrahlung]

This membership renewal crap

I am planning on opting out of them stinging me for cash in June when the season don't start for 4 months

It is way to early in the off season for this and with our dodgy ownership situation this to me smells like the practice of clubs hitting up their junior players for next year to pay their seniors for this year BS

Something ain't right about the cash grab

Seems pretty common practice now I’m multiple areas.

In the music festival world, splendour/falls ticket sales for the next gig, seem to be used to acquire acts for the following festival. This year splendour hasn’t sold out like previously, and they essentially don’t have the funds to book in acts for Falls over the new year so they’ve cancelled it.

The whole thing cries unsustainable.

[Jeterpool]

This membership renewal crap

I am planning on opting out of them stinging me for cash in June when the season don't start for 4 months

It is way to early in the off season for this and with our dodgy ownership situation this to me smells like the practice of clubs hitting up their junior players for next year to pay their seniors for this year BS

Something ain't right about the cash grab

This is about balancing the books at the end of the financial year. A cash influx of, say, $1.5 million (5000 members with average of $300 membership cost) goes a long way to sandbagging the balance sheet and reducing the losses for potential sale.

[plague]

Ive already renewed, well done Middleby and co for getting on it straight away while the a-league finals hype is red hot.

To be honest am glad my seats were still available, always nervy that by the time i renew the place is sold out.

As always ive purchased the 3 seats each side of plague jnr and I so no jets fans sit too close to us.

Will start prepping for me and jeterpools pre-season podcast.

Good day.

[pv4]

Ive already renewed, well done Middleby and co for getting on it straight away while the a-league finals hype is red hot.

To be honest am glad my seats were still available, always nervy that by the time i renew the place is sold out.

As always ive purchased the 3 seats each side of plague jnr and I so no jets fans sit too close to us.

Will start prepping for me and jeterpools pre-season podcast.

Good day.

I love when you call me "and".

[MFKS]

Good news guys

Apparently Stade de Newy is gonna play host to the Motocross again in November ruining our ground for months of the season

Glad I ain't paying for a membership

[mic22]

Good news guys

Apparently Stade de Newy is gonna play host to the Motocross again in November ruining our ground for months of the season

Glad I ain't paying for a membership

Saw it on the Herald today. Amazing hey?

Closed for 2 months for an event that attracts 16000 (potentially)

But they also say they can returf it and have it ready to play in 2 days. Better than Jesus.

[MFKS]

Saw it on the Herald today. Amazing hey?
But they also say they can returf it and have it ready to play in 2 days. Better than Jesus.

Everytime they have had it returfed the consensus is that it is well below standard for some reason ��

[plague]

Simple fix.
Play the games at No#2.
Members only, no casuals.
Modus tents at each corner.

Get on it Middleby.

[MFKS]

Ruben Zads has let Perth to pursue other opportunities

Fingers crossed we ain't signing him to anchor our midfield

[My2BobsWorth]

Ugar and Antonis in the midfield for City sounds like they won't be spending much this year. The recycling goes on

[StannyCFCJET]

Ugar and Antonis in the midfield for City sounds like they won't be spending much this year. The recycling goes on

Yet they keep making GFs

[The Hacker]

Sam Silvera 12 months ago can?t get a run at the Jets now off to Middlesbrough. FMD it doesn?t surprise me

[Bremsstrahlung]

Should be targeting some Olyroos that aren’t getting much game time.
Though maybe not playing is better than playing for the Jets.


I just hope this coach can coach and get the most out of a team.
At the moment we need a coach that can say okay, player x’s strength is this, let’s play him in this role. And these players suit this formation so we should play this formation.
Instead, I feel like we get stuck with coaches that want to play their system, which is fine, if you have suitable players. Square pegs, round holes and all that.

[The Dunster]

This explains how Pappas coached the team - and how the opposition responded.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ae2ec0b9ca44f09c85b46c0e3563f0ec/tenor.gif?itemid=3495425

[Macca]

This explains how Pappas coached the team - and how the opposition responded.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/ae2ec0b9ca44f09c85b46c0e3563f0ec/tenor.gif?itemid=3495425

I think we lost grip of the sword and stabbed ourselves in the foot.

[Couscous]

It's disappointing to hear that Kaz Patafta is now Brisbane Roar's chief executive.

The Jets had the chance to appoint a club legend and did nothing.

[Jetmaster]

It's disappointing to hear that Kaz Patafta is now Brisbane Roar's chief executive.

The Jets had the chance to appoint a club legend and did nothing.

But you don't like him - I've heard the song :rof:

[380]

Cous would have had his letter of offer signed at 8am and by morning tea his resignation.

[Frodo]

Penha has signed with Western United.

Hopefully he is at least fleecing them for tonnes of cash.


If he gets injured again, I won't be happy, but I won't feel bad for WU either.

[Thomas477]

Just another example of our overlords using us as a scouting exercise.

[MFKS]

Just another example of our overlords using us as a scouting exercise.

TBF if you were Penha why the **** would you come back here ??

[belchardo]

TBF if you were Penha why the **** would you come back here ??

Why the heck would you move to Casey or whatever outer suburb of Melbourne they are in this year?

[turbojetfireV8]

Sage finally walks away from Glory https://keepup.com.au/news/perth-glory-tony-sage-ownership-receivers-future-new-owners/

[StannyCFCJET]

Sage finally walks away from Glory https://keepup.com.au/news/perth-glory-tony-sage-ownership-receivers-future-new-owners/

Walks away? I thought the APL removed his licence

[Frodo]

Walks away? I thought the APL removed his licence

I know he mentioned something about negotiations with the APL about losses but this isn't exactly because of that. Sounds like he's cleared any debts and doesn't want to lose even more money by funding them anymore. Now the other clubs either wear the losses or cut the team altogether.

They haven't taken the license from him tho.


Definitely not good signs if Perth, Brisbane and Jets all can't find new owners in the 2-3 years they've all been for sale.

[Thomas477]

And yet Danny wants $25mil for a new license.

Honestly think the decoupling is proving to be a disaster.

What’s Frank up to these days?

[belchardo]

What are you worried about. Danny says they'll have a new owner within 10 weeks.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-22/perth-glory-goes-into-receivership-ending-tony-sage-ownership/102635700

[StannyCFCJET]

I know he mentioned something about negotiations with the APL about losses but this isn't exactly because of that. Sounds like he's cleared any debts and doesn't want to lose even more money by funding them anymore. Now the other clubs either wear the losses or cut the team altogether.

They haven't taken the license from him tho.


Definitely not good signs if Perth, Brisbane and Jets all can't find new owners in the 2-3 years they've all been for sale.

Because the APL sets the price at 25mil thats why

[380]

Never thought the game could be in worse shape than when Dad's boy and Gallop were running the show but FMD the APL have take the League to whole new low.

They wanted control of the League and they have just made a total cluster^&8$ of it.

At this rate we won't have a national league. DT needs to go for a start, In the real corporate world bloke would have got his marching orders and lining up for Newstart.

[turbojetfireV8]

More on Sage handing in the licence:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/300933810/perth-glory-owner-heartbroken-after-handing-back-aleague-licence-due-to-receivership

[belchardo]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-24/perth-glory-sage-ownership-collapses-roger-cook/102639276


APL chief executive Danny Townsend said...we see the international investor market as being pretty buoyant right now. The enterprise value growth of A-League franchises is all ahead of us – so it will probably be a mixture of local investment and international investment.

any chance a business head can explain what the heck the bold section means?

[MFKS]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-24/perth-glory-sage-ownership-collapses-roger-cook/102639276



any chance a business head can explain what the heck the bold section means?

It's Bullshit jargon to make himself sound intelligent

Problem is we all know the guy is full of complete and utter shit so we don't believe a word he says

His message ain't for us. It's to try and deceive those who support Perth and still believe in his rhetoric

I was all for the game to move on from the FFA ownership but these ****ing bozos running it now are even more incompetent than before

[R Ramjet]

By the Year 2030 the A league will be 10 teams. 5 from Sydney and 5 from Melbourne !

[My2BobsWorth]

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/a-leagues-fault-lines-exposed-as-fiscal-woes-stalk-clubs-598454
Another article on the state of the A league. Some serious policy changes are needed if the league is to survive, certainly a more realistic cost of franchises needs to be looked at. Let the market decide the price, like everything else

[Jetmaster]

Close to gone this time and I have ridden the Newcastle rollercoaster for nearly 50 years, so know the drill. If MV or Smurfs go under it is done.

No business sense by the APL. The GF debacle, over pricing of franchises and ploughing millions into a ladies league that has TV audiences as low as 300.

Unsustainable.

[MFKS]

Close to gone this time and I have ridden the Newcastle rollercoaster for nearly 50 years, so know the drill. If MV or Smurfs go under it is done.

No business sense by the APL. The GF debacle, over pricing of franchises and ploughing millions into a ladies league that has TV audiences as low as 300.

Unsustainable.

Ploughing millions into women's football??

Enough said

I was told they got rolled so not much value for money

Ain't watched any of the shit yet and won't be

[Killa]

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/a-leagues-fault-lines-exposed-as-fiscal-woes-stalk-clubs-598454
Another article on the state of the A league. Some serious policy changes are needed if the league is to survive, certainly a more realistic cost of franchises needs to be looked at. Let the market decide the price, like everything else

It's the franchise system that is killing the league. It only works in USA because of the very rich benefactors that own the franchises. As well as the vast abundance of commercialisation that happens in American Sport.

[Jetmaster]

Ploughing millions into women's football??

Enough said

I was told they got rolled so not much value for money

Ain't watched any of the shit yet and won't be

Simon Hill - "Danny, you have thrown over $3 million into the W-League but the return is non-existent, as are the viewing figures. Is it worth throwing more money at it when there are problems elsewhere?"

Danny T - "We have to Simon, it is non-negotiable".

[MFKS]

Simon Hill - "Danny, you have thrown over $3 million into the W-League but the return is non-existent, as are the viewing figures. Is it worth throwing more money at it when there are problems elsewhere?"

Danny T - "We have to Simon, it is non-negotiable".

The reason for this will be some government program where they have to meet diversity KPIs

They could be pumping money into the Socceroos who the nation supports but have to find equal money into the Matildas who no one gives a **** up

PS

Apparently last night there was many empty seats at a home WC game

Proof that they are not well supported at all as that would be we happen if the Socceroos were hosting a WC even with Danny Townsend organising it

[Frodo]

Why do you old farts seem to care so much about something you keep saying you don't care about?

This world cup is going to break attendance records, those seats the member is waffling about were sections that weren't allowed to be sold for some reason. Just let the people who want to enjoy the world cup enjoy it, and if you don't care about go enjoy something else.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Didn’t Nike come out and say Matildas were more marketable, making them more money than the Socceroos from Qatar til now.

[StannyCFCJET]

Didn’t Nike come out and say Matildas were more marketable, making them more money than the Socceroos from Qatar til now.

100% did and the matildas sell more jerseys

[Bremsstrahlung]

Anecdotally, I know more people (bandwagoners, eurosnobs, run n cuddle fans, whatever) that I’ve never heard talk about football before, talking about the Matildas.
Can only be a good thing. There ain’t a negative to that.

I for one have really enjoyed watching the games I’ve seen. It’s much more open and exciting. The downside is technical ability, with some obvious flaws there, when compared to the men’s game. I’m saying that, some of the first touches I’ve seen have been amazing. I remember watching a game probably 16-20 years ago, and found the quality laughable, it was like watching an under 12G grade game. The improvement has been great to see.
But everything else acts as the advocate for the sport that the men’s game should be. There’s respect for match officials. There’s respect for opponents. There’s very minimal diving and theatrics. For the most part, the injuries look like genuine injuries. There’s great goals. There’s comradely and great scenes when lesser countries are scoring goals.


Again, there ain’t any negatives to this.

[Jetmaster]

Why do you old farts seem to care so much about something you keep saying you don't care about?

This world cup is going to break attendance records, those seats the member is waffling about were sections that weren't allowed to be sold for some reason. Just let the people who want to enjoy the world cup enjoy it, and if you don't care about go enjoy something else.

Again, stop playing the emotion card. I am talking about the ALW which is an abject financial failure, that should be cut. Crowds under 1000 and TV audiences of a couple of hundred is factual evidence the financial support doesn't justify the means. And I doubt the WC will improve things much apart from maybe a short blip at seadon's start. I also doubt either league will exist as is within 3 years.

As for the Matildas, they, like the 2006 Socceroos, are currently flavour of the month. That goldren generation had saved football, were Australia's favourite sporting team (selling more shirts than the Wallabies), and could do no wrong. It was hard to get a ticket for a friendly.

That all went pear shaped due to mismanagement, ingrained sporting culture against football in this country, media loss of interest and players of the same quality not coming through.

This another false new dawn. Us old farts have seen it too many times and been disappointed just as much.

[380]

Again, stop playing the emotion card. I am talking about the ALW which is an abject financial failure, that should be cut. Crowds under 1000 and TV audiences of a couple of hundred is factual evidence the financial support doesn't justify the means. And I doubt the WC will improve things much apart from maybe a short blip at seadon's start. I also doubt either league will exist as is within 3 years.

As for the Matildas, they, like the 2006 Socceroos, are currently flavour of the month. That goldren generation had saved football, were Australia's favourite sporting team (selling more shirts than the Wallabies), and could do no wrong. It was hard to get a ticket for a friendly.

That all went pear shaped due to mismanagement, ingrained sporting culture against football in this country, media loss of interest and players of the same quality not coming through.

This another false new dawn. Us old farts have seen it too many times and been disappointed just as much.

All true. The A League has a real issue at the moment and has a real bad feel about where its heading, Not different to the final years of the NSL when the game was very fractured.

Would love too know just where the Jets membership number is at this point in time and also in comparison to this TLY ?.

[Frodo]

Again, stop playing the emotion card. I am talking about the ALW which is an abject financial failure, that should be cut. Crowds under 1000 and TV audiences of a couple of hundred is factual evidence the financial support doesn't justify the means. And I doubt the WC will improve things much apart from maybe a short blip at seadon's start. I also doubt either league will exist as is within 3 years.


W League avg attendance was about 1900 for the top teams, 1300 for the Jets which were about middle of the road.

Western United avg attendance was only 3168, 3514 for Macarthur. Perth were 4500 so it's not just because they were new franchises.


So double the numbers of some W League sides and I absolutely guarantee they spent more than double what the women's team cost.

If we base decisions on the basis of fan numbers, we should cut some under performing teams before we cut an entire competition which costs a heck of a lot less overall.


You're the one making your decision based on how you feel instead of facts, not me buddy. Again, let people enjoy it if they want, it's not like the costs are going to bring the league down compared to the ridiculous wages being paid for less than average quality players in the men's comp.


Getting rid of the salary cap would do more for the bottom line of teams than cutting the women's competition

[MFKS]

Why do you old farts seem to care so much about something you keep saying you don't care about?

This world cup is going to break attendance records, those seats the member is waffling about were sections that weren't allowed to be sold for some reason. Just let the people who want to enjoy the world cup enjoy it, and if you don't care about go enjoy something else.

No one's stopping you enjoying it

Criticism of women's football and the farce it is isn't diminishing your enjoyment of it


Seats on half way are not allowed to be sold??
What a load of BS. FIFA monetize the **** out of WCs
They know every seat at every stadium that is available.

You think they ****ed this up ???

No way

[MFKS]

W League avg attendance was about 1900 for the top teams, 1300 for the Jets which were about middle of the road.

Western United avg attendance was only 3168, 3514 for Macarthur. Perth were 4500 so it's not just because they were new franchises.


So double the numbers of some W League sides and I absolutely guarantee they spent more than double what the women's team cost.

If we base decisions on the basis of fan numbers, we should cut some under performing teams before we cut an entire competition which costs a heck of a lot less overall.


You're the one making your decision based on how you feel instead of facts, not me buddy. Again, let people enjoy it if they want, it's not like the costs are going to bring the league down compared to the ridiculous wages being paid for less than average quality players in the men's comp.


Getting rid of the salary cap would do more for the bottom line of teams than cutting the women's competition

As for the costs of the WLeague teams I am all for removing the costs from the Jets on the basis the money pissed away on that vanity project could be better spent on signing us better players for the A League

We don't have an owner obviously but I would rather all our coin was spent on making the Jets A League side more competitive than they are than pissing money down the drain on women that would get thumped by 15 year old boys teams

[Couscous]

I'm planning some Newy trips later this year. Would greatly appreciate someone telling whether the Jets will exist. Thank you 🙏🏼

[Jeterpool]

So, Paul McCartney is playing at MJS on Tuesday October 24th....wonder what that will do to the pitch this time

[ForeverRed]

So, Paul McCartney is playing at MJS on Tuesday October 24th....wonder what that will do to the pitch this time
Yep and I think pink is one week later, then the moto cross,

[turbojetfireV8]

if you didn't have reason enough to hate the English already:
https://keepup.com.au/news/womens-world-cup-news-england-lionesses-a-league-central-coast-mariners-western-sydney-wanderers-jason-culina/

did they actually gift it, or was it just not there when they went back for it??

[Bremsstrahlung]

Just saw the highlights on the tv from Sydney vs CCM. “Redmayne saves Sydney in Penalties again”.
The usual antics of dancing around.
Now, I’m pretty sure FIFA banned this as of July 1. Interesting if anything eventuates throughout the season.

[StannyCFCJET]

Just saw the highlights on the tv from Sydney vs CCM. “Redmayne saves Sydney in Penalties again”.
The usual antics of dancing around.
Now, I’m pretty sure FIFA banned this as of July 1. Interesting if anything eventuates throughout the season.

Not surprised aleague officials don't know the rules

[Frodo]

Just saw the highlights on the tv from Sydney vs CCM. ?Redmayne saves Sydney in Penalties again?.
The usual antics of dancing around.
Now, I?m pretty sure FIFA banned this as of July 1. Interesting if anything eventuates throughout the season.

Yeah, but it's the Gypos..Those lucky pricks don't need any more ref help this season. Plus it's not like Corica is going to take Sydney much further in the cup anyways, so it's a win-win situation for us.

[My2BobsWorth]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/property-developer-makes-offer-to-buy-struggling-perth-glory-20230824-p5dz9k.html

Looks like Perth are a lot closer than the Jets to getting an owner, seems to be a different set of rules also

[Jetmaster]

Our lot should do this at Newy Airport and pick out a random new owner.....

https://www.sportstiger.com/news/watch-malaga-fans-greet-random-stranger-at-airport-as-new-signing-in-hilarious-protest

[Couscous]

How do you folk feel about preseason practice matches against the Mariners?

[380]

How do you folk feel about preseason practice matches against the Mariners?

F*(k em off. Typifies just how much soul this club has lost over the last 5-6 season having pre season hit outs with them. Club has lost its identity over stuff like this so its only fitting this looks like being our final season and Mattiske will have to go get a real job.

[Jetmaster]

Wikipedia is fast.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Berthomier

[My2BobsWorth]

Hard not to be negative with the Jets, if he's any good he'll leave, if he's crap, we're stuck with him

[MFKS]

F*(k em off. Typifies just how much soul this club has lost over the last 5-6 season having pre season hit outs with them. Club has lost its identity over stuff like this so its only fitting this looks like being our final season and Mattiske will have to go get a real job.

Full on fist fights at the twin servos only

[turbojetfireV8]

Herald on Sydney prematch today:
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8338864/wilmering-provides-welcome-headache-as-jets-push-sydney-to-limit-in-friendly/


A-League 2023: Wilmering provides welcome headache as Jets push Sydney to limit in friendly

By James Gardiner
Updated September 6 2023 - 6:27pm, first published 6:00pm


LEFT fullback was a trouble spot for the Newcastle Jets under Arthur Papas.

James McGarry, Jason Hoffman and Dane Ingham were all deployed on the left flank last season without making the position their own.

New coach Rob Stanton has the luxury of two quality left fullbacks to choose from.

Daniel Wilmering, 22, was a standout for the Jets in an entertaining, high-action 1-0 loss to Sydney FC in a friendly at Maitland on Wednesday.

The former Wanderer started for a second straight game in place of Lucas Mauragis, who is with the Australian under-23 squad in Tajikistan for Olympic qualifiers.


"I thought Daniel was the best for us," Stanton said. "His movement and go forward gave us plenty of options. His delivery was good and defensively he was sound.

"The last two games, he has been outstanding. To be fair to Lucas, he has been very good as well. I'm very excited. We have two really good guys who can give us penetration in the wide areas. In this system, the fullbacks are very important for that."

With newly-arrived French midfielder Jason Berthomier watching from the stands, the Jets pushed a strong Sky Blues to the limit.

In the end, it took a brilliant save from sub keeper Harrison Devenish-Meares to deny Lachy Bayliss a late equaliser.

A 22nd-minute strike from Jaiden Kucharski proved the difference.

Joel King burst down the left and cut a ball back for Kucharski, who was unmarked on the corner of the penalty area. The midfielder had time to fire a tracer bullet that didn't give Jets keeper Michael Weier a chance.

Sydney boasted a strong line-up headed by Jack Rodwell, Jack Lolley, Max Burgess, Luke Brattan, Joel King and Andrew Redmayne and dominated possession for much of the match.

The Jets were dangerous in transition, breaking with power and pace.

Wilmering and Dane Ingham, in particular, caused havoc for the visitors.

"All the boys are a bit heavy in the legs," Stanton said. "I have been really emphasising the gym work and exposing them to heavily lifting. They will get the benefit of that later on. I just wanted to challenge them. I wanted to play a team which is good with the ball and has 60 per cent possession. It highlights that we are very competitive.

"I was disappointed to concede the goal the way we did. We didn't get across and put pressure on the ball. We didn't react quick enough. It was a combination of things."

In the second half, the Jets got on the ball more, built pressure and created opportunities in the box. Apostolos Stamatalopoulos, Clayton Taylor, Ingham and Carl Jenkinson all had chances.

"I thought we started a bit flat," Stanton said. "I spoke to them at half-time and said 'if you you tired, that is good. If you want to be a winner, you have to play against the best teams. You have to act like winners. You can show me more. You are playing a bit conservative'.

"They came out in the second half and I saw more go forward, more determination to control the ball better when we are higher up the pitch. We created a lot of chances.

"Again our heavy legs showed. Around the box, we were a bit slow getting on the ball. I expected that.

"You need to do this with the players otherwise you won't find their limits. We have to keep pushing them until we get to the level we want to get too. Keep raising the bar every day."

Berthomier, who made his last appearance for French Ligue two club Valenciennes three weeks ago, will start training tomorrow.

Baring a mishap, the left-sided midfielder's first game against A-League opposition will be a friendly against Brisbane Roar in Coffs Harbour on September 21.

"His English is really good," Stanton said. "I'm pleased with his arrival and am looking forward to working with him. He will give us a cutting edge in that central area."

[belchardo]

I thought we only played the mariners in pre-season matches. what madness is this?

[Killa]

Herald on Sydney prematch today:
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8338864/wilmering-provides-welcome-headache-as-jets-push-sydney-to-limit-in-friendly/


"All the boys are a bit heavy in the legs," Stanton said. "I have been really emphasising the gym work and exposing them to heavily lifting"

Is that you Mark Jones???

[belchardo]

Craig Goodwin has gone to Saudi Arabia. A loss for the league.

[plague]

Craig Goodwin has gone to Saudi Arabia. A loss for the league.

Good for him, sacrificing all personal benefits to help Jordan Henderson and co #growthegame

hashtagselfless
hashtagbonesawsdontmeltsteelbeams

[belchardo]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/09/13/a-league-grand-final-u-turn-on-the-cards-with-potential-magic-round-as-sydney-replacement/

A level of sanity not expected from either party.

[380]

https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/09/13/a-league-grand-final-u-turn-on-the-cards-with-potential-magic-round-as-sydney-replacement/

A level of sanity not expected from either party.

Just the fact this even became an issue is a clear demonstration the bloke placed in charge by the club owners to run things is the wrong bloke and should walk and never have anything to do with the game or a club again.

[pv4]

Just the fact this even became an issue is a clear demonstration the bloke placed in charge by the club owners to run things is the wrong bloke and should walk and never have anything to do with the game or a club again.

Ray Gatt on Twitter FYI:


Just putting this out there. There’s a rumour doing rounds that Danny Townsend could be leaving APL to take up a big job in the Middle East.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Suit him well. Needs infinite funds to do anything.

[Jetmaster]

Hope this is true - no VAR this season.....

https://twitter.com/hosko/status/1709136120746054090?t=GWtO4cTDQMc53-L8splgng&s=19

[turbojetfireV8]

https://keepup.com.au/news/premier-league-news-a-leagues-expansion-auckland-club-latest-updates-when-will-they-join/

So if that goes ahead, are we out?

[380]

https://keepup.com.au/news/premier-league-news-a-leagues-expansion-auckland-club-latest-updates-when-will-they-join/

So if that goes ahead, are we out?

The cynic in me thinks we will not have a mens team in the league next season if the club is not sold. Am tipping a W League side will continue into the future as some sort of recognition to football in the region but that is all.

Monies owing to the other club owners keeping us afloat will be reimbursed through the sale of new licenses so they break even and the whole experience of carrying the Jets for three seasons will be put down to nothing more than a bad experience for them. All IMO of course.

[Jeterpool]

https://keepup.com.au/news/premier-league-news-a-leagues-expansion-auckland-club-latest-updates-when-will-they-join/

So if that goes ahead, are we out?

Makes you wonder. Were Canberra and Wollongong announced as the successful new teams to be added some time ago or were they rumoured?

[plague]

So if that goes ahead, are we out?

Why would we be out?

Like, is there a legit proposal meaning we go or Jets fans just doing that constant doomsday shit?

[Jetmaster]

Fear mongering. Canberra also lined up but finding it hard to get owner. Perth still cant get bought either.

It's two extra clubs, not replacement clubs.

[MFKS]

Question though that has to be asked

If they can find some schmuck to cough up $25 million for a licence for these new sides exactly why the **** can't they find some **** to buy our rabble of shite in 3 ****ing years ??

Something doesn't add up here

[Jetmaster]

Looks like Auckland have a sugar daddy but Canberra are struggling to find the $25 million.

[furns]

Question though that has to be asked

If they can find some schmuck to cough up $25 million for a licence for these new sides exactly why the **** can't they find some **** to buy our rabble of shite in 3 ****ing years ??

Something doesn't add up herebecause the preferred bidder has businesses in NZ already. Pretty simple really.

[380]

Looks like Auckland have a sugar daddy but Canberra are struggling to find the $25 million.

To the best of my knowledge the early interest in Canberra's inclusion into the A League was with the financial clout and backing of Richard Peil. Since his acquisition of the Mariners perhaps nobody else has stepped up to provide the funds required to enter the league.

[My2BobsWorth]

I would get rid of NZ teams completely and Perth

[belchardo]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/20/a-leagues-boss-boss-danny-townsend-quits-for-job-in-middle-east

Townsend gone. Mediocre executive talent also being drafted into the middle east.

[My2BobsWorth]

I'm going to have a week of mourning

[MFKS]

Smurfs have got rid of Corica

Hoping they take Stanton back off us

[BP Super Dynamos]

Was hoping Smurfs would keep Corica. Absolutely clueless, made to look good by individual players and referees

[MFKS]

Ufuk Talay giving the Smurfs gig

Not really a surprise



Odd thing is that our coach ain't under any pressure at all despite being winless

[Jeterpool]

Odd thing is that our coach ain't under any pressure at all despite being winless

After 3 games!? You're kidding :lol:

Lets just have a fan vote who the coach should be every week if we're going to dismiss coaches after 3 matches.

[StannyCFCJET]

Ufuk Talay giving the Smurfs gig

Not really a surprise



Odd thing is that our coach ain't under any pressure at all despite being winless

What did you expect from a Rookie coach, At a club with little to no funds and local support and one of the worst squads in the league?

[MFKS]

What did you expect from a Rookie coach, At a club with little to no funds and local support and one of the worst squads in the league?

The Gypos won this tinpot comp last season

Anything is possible

[plague]

The Gypos won this tinpot comp last season

Lies.


There you go again pushing that gypo fake news.

You and pv4, bedfellows.

gypos, the lot of you.


Hail Griff.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Ufuk Talay giving the Smurfs gig



Always makes me giggle when I read his name.

[MFKS]

Lies.


There you go again pushing that gypo fake news.

You and pv4, bedfellows.

gypos, the lot of you.


Hail Griff.

The fact that these cunce can win the comp and we are stuck watching the likes of Ingham and Hoffman **** arse about to finish outside the playoffs every year is a ****ing joke.

It's an absolutely farce that we continue to be this shit without ever trying to change this

[Frodo]

The Gypos won this tinpot comp last season

Anything is possible

City won the competition last year.

Gypos won the post season cup, very different things.

[Maito Mitch]

Gypos won the post season cup, very different things.

I don't remember the gypos winning anything.

[380]

Can't recall a GF last season only a first past the post.

[anfield]

Ufuk Talay giving the Smurfs gig

Not really a surprise



Odd thing is that our coach ain't under any pressure at all despite being winless

Stanton should get the season if the team is competitive and is competing for a finals spot. The club needs some stability, pretty simple...

Ridiculous what's has happened at City and Sydney. Australian football doesn't need this, Surely 5 to 6 games at a minimum. Last thing we want is the same coaching merry-go-round like in some European competitions.

[Frodo]

Stanton should get the season if the team is competitive and is competing for a finals spot. The club needs some stability, pretty simple...

Ridiculous what's has happened at City and Sydney. Australian football doesn't need this, Surely 5 to 6 games at a minimum. Last thing we want is the same coaching umerry-go-round like in some European competitions.

I mean, anyone could see Rado wasn't up to task last season, they obviously gave him pre season to implement ideas but the play didn't improve.


Corica was probably in line to get sacked at the end of last season until they fluked a finals spot. Now he has won a pre-season cup, only lost like 4 games out of his last 16 and they look like idiots just following what City did to try and look competent.

[Bremsstrahlung]

I don’t so much have a problem with the City and Sydney sackings.
They have been in a successful position almost every year. Their board, fans and sponsors obviously demand more and have been disappointed with what has been offered so far. They didn’t like what they saw, took action so they didn’t write off their entire season. Sydney were disappointing last season, and city choked at the end so a poor start seems like a continuation of their decline.

We are in a very different position.
We can’t afford to be sacking coaches after a few games. The standards and quality of the squad need to be improved and short of signing everyone to 1 year contracts, there’s always an inherited squad excuse.
I’d love for us to be in a position where we can sack a coach after a few losses because that doesn’t fit our club. Reality is, we get 2-3 wins in a row and we will build the coach a statue.

[Bon]

Reality is, we get 2-3 wins in a row and we will build the coach a statue.

We've had 2-3 wins in a row before?? :gent:

[Frodo]

Sorry, I just realized it sounded like I was in the "sack Staunton" club, I am not.


If we finish with our first ever wooden spoon, he needs to go. If he plays the kids all year, doesn't park the bus and we don't finish last then give him a new deal. If he make Finals, he can take Couscous's permanent parking spot and Dylan will even throw him a pool party.


If he beats the Gypos at each attempt I'll start building his statue immediately.

[Bremsstrahlung]

We've had 2-3 wins in a row before?? :gent:

I was dreaming about the future possibility ��

[belchardo]

ABC radio saying the Perth sale has collapsed.

[My2BobsWorth]

Couldn't provide the deposit on the agreed date so KordaMentha terminated the deal. Sage blames Korda for the collapse. Hope they do better for the Jets
https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/its-a-travesty-sage-laments-collapse-of-perth-glory-sale-602341

[380]

The state of the game is at its worst since the A League commenced. I don't think any reasonable person thought the game could be run worse than under FFA with Gallop and Lowie Jnr but the club owners have taken it to a whole new low.

[Bremsstrahlung]

As much as Gallop copped, he at least had experience running arguably Australia’s most successful competition.

Popular opinion that Vlandys is a ****, but you can’t argue he gets shit done. If he ran football, at least we’d know he was doing things for the good of the game.
Bloke single handedly kept NRL operating during COVID despite doctors, political advice both nationally and internationally.

He’s now trying to expand the comp to 20 teams and get the Aus Govt to fund a PNG team to strengthen Australia’s relationship and deter China.
Bloke could sell sand on the beach.

[Killa]

As much as Gallop copped, he at least had experience running arguably Australia?s most successful competition.

Popular opinion that Vlandys is a ****, but you can?t argue he gets shit done. If he ran football, at least we?d know he was doing things for the good of the game.
Bloke single handedly kept NRL operating during COVID despite doctors, political advice both nationally and internationally.

He?s now trying to expand the comp to 20 teams and get the Aus Govt to fund a PNG team to strengthen Australia?s relationship and deter China.
Bloke could sell sand on the beach.

PVL ruined the Broadcast deal singlehandedly by allowing Ch9 to do a smaller deal which in turn they used the spare cash to purchase the rights to Rugby Union, their biggest competitor on the Eastern States.

He has nothing to do with the PNG team, he is just a pawn in the middle this is purely the Aus Gov.

And don't even get me started on Horse Racing

[turbojetfireV8]

Rinse repeat... can we as a fan base sue all responsible parties for this annual sh*tfest f*cking over our season?


Update from Executive Chairman - Jets v Mariners
Newcastle Jets
​
I wanted to let you know that in the last 48 hours we've been working through a challenge related to the F3 Derby.

Below is a release that is being issued by the APL right now. In summary, the turf at McDonald Jones Stadium has not recovered as anticipated and as a result an agreement has now been reached to flip the home and away games for the F3 derby. We will now play at Industree Group Stadium on Saturday next week and then return for our home game on 2nd March. We of course also have a third derby game on 27th April at McDonald Jones Stadium.

This change provides confidence that next weekend's Derby will be played on a surface that is in great condition. Importantly - our members still get two home F3 Derby games and have reciprocal rights to attend the Gosford match as part of your Jets membership.

Whilst this is a change that we hadn't anticipated, I know our players are keen to take on the Mariners and they will want all of you there to back them up as we take the first step in bringing home the F3 derby trophy.

The APL media release is below.

I'll hope to see you this Sunday for the return of Emily Van Egmond at No. 2 Sportsground as we take on Melbourne City and will look forward to a big member turnout for game one of the F3 Derby!

Yours sincerely,

Shane Mattiske

Executive Chairman

Newcastle Jets FC

Good afternoon.

Please find below details of a fixture update for the Isuzu UTE A-League Men season 2023-24.

Rd 5 Saturday 25 November, 2023

Central Coast Mariners v Newcastle Jets

Industree Group Stadium

KO 5.30pm (AEDT)

Updated kick-off time and venue

R19 Saturday 2 March 2024

Newcastle Jets v Central Coast Mariners

McDonald Jones Stadium

6.00PM

Updated kick-off time and venue

Following ongoing consultation between the Australian Professional Leagues (APL), Venues NSW, Newcastle Jets and the Central Coast Mariners, the decision has been made to move the upcoming F3 derby between Newcastle Jets and the Central Coast Mariners to Industree Group Stadium, Gosford.

It was agreed today between all parties to proactively move the fixture in order to mitigate the risk of the match not proceeding on Saturday 25 November due to ongoing turf renovation following a recent Supercross event at McDonald Jones Stadium.

The reverse Isuzu UTE A-League Round 19 fixture that was initially scheduled to be played in Gosford will now be played in Newcastle at McDonald Jones Stadium on Saturday 2 March 2024.

As a result of this fixture reversal, the Liberty A-League Round 19 double header originally scheduled for Saturday 2 March 2024, between Central Coast Mariners and Adelaide United at Industree Group Stadium will be rescheduled to an alternate date to be confirmed in the next few weeks.

For more information about the A-Leagues please head to www.aleagues.com.au

[mic22]

I don't know if it's Venues NSW, but whoever approved the scheduling is a (insert random insult):
Paul McCartney
partial re-turf (by the look of the pitch last game)
Football game
Supercross
re-turf

and then they say "the turf at McDonald Jones Stadium has not recovered as anticipated": what did they anticipate exactly? A miracle?

[Alton]

Nothing short of a disgrace

[Jim]

Soccer means nothing to Newcastle Council

[Thomas477]

Soccer means nothing to Newcastle Council

You do know that the stadium is run by a NSW Government entity?

[ForeverRed]

As fans we should protest and rally out the front of Mac Jones stadium during the next scheduled event other then football.

[Bremsstrahlung]

As fans we should protest and rally out the front of Mac Jones stadium during the next scheduled event other then football.

“Violent sokkah hooligans and gangs disrupt families at peaceful motorcycle event.”

[monz6]

Does anyone know what happens now for non members who bought tickets? Refunds? They do not mention that in their press releases.

[Jim]

“Violent sokkah hooligans and gangs disrupt families at peaceful motorcycle event.”

Followed by a week of mourning from psychological stress.

[mic22]

Does anyone know what happens now for non members who bought tickets? Refunds? They do not mention that in their press releases.

They'll get a refund.

All 4 of them.

[Jetmaster]

Really, the Ch10/P+, coverage is getting bizarre. Tristan McManus on the weekend stating this is the "best league in the world". I had to check the subtitles, and it was unchallenged by the main team.

1837

[Jim]

You do know that the stadium is run by a NSW Government entity?

You do realise my comment is 100% correct fktard.

The a**hole council couldnt give a sh*t about football but if a netball game got called off there'd be an inquiry straightup

[Thomas477]

You do realise my comment is 100% correct fktard.

The a**hole council couldnt give a sh*t about football but if a netball game got called off there'd be an inquiry straightup

Took you long enough to reply, I must have hit a nerve.

I’m still wondering what the council has to do with a NSW Government run stadium forcing us to move a game? Or are you referring to the only CoN ground that we use, Number 2, being unavailable due to a concert? I’ll be honest, I hadn’t heard that one, the pitch looked in good nick over the weekend.

[belchardo]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/socceroos-stephen-laybutt-dead-northern-nsw/103320868

Sad.

[Jim]

Took you long enough to reply, I must have hit a nerve.

I’m still wondering what the council has to do with a NSW Government run stadium forcing us to move a game? Or are you referring to the only CoN ground that we use, Number 2, being unavailable due to a concert? I’ll be honest, I hadn’t heard that one, the pitch looked in good nick over the weekend.
haha bit upset i see.
What has NCC done for boys/mens football? They sponsor the girls.

[plague]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/socceroos-stephen-laybutt-dead-northern-nsw/103320868

Sad.

This sucks.

also, check on your mates. It never hurts to ask.

[Thomas477]

haha bit upset i see.
What has NCC done for boys/mens football? They sponsor the girls.

So you’re running away from the local forum to respond to a comment from nearly a month ago. Jog on champ.

[The Dunster]

Sad news about Stephen Laybutt. [The Fridge]
Good memories of him as a player though - like when GVE slotted him in up front to finish a game and he probably looked better at the top of the formation than our regular forwards at the time.

[brian801]

1841

This looks interesting!

[StannyCFCJET]

Do we have defensive injuries?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Probably for when our owners recruit Natta

[turbojetfireV8]

Hmm...


APL to *consolidate* operations as financial problems lead to redundancies
Horror crowds across the A-League?s Unite Round in Sydney compounded financial issues which have prompted huge job cuts to streamline operations.

Marco Monteverde
@marcothejourno
January 16, 2024 - 4:49PM
NCA NewsWire

The A-League is in financial turmoil, with the Australian Professional Leagues undergoing an ?organisational restructure? that has led to mass redundancies on the back of horror crowds at last weekend?s Unite Round in Sydney.

The APL, which has run the A-League men?s and women?s competitions for the past three years, has confirmed staff cuts in an attempt to ?consolidate? the business, with up to 50 per cent of the staff having been made redundant.

As part of the cost-cutting measures, KeepUp, the APL?s digital and content arm which is understood to have cost the organisation $40 million, will cease to exist.

However, the A-League?s separate competition website, which started this season as under the broader KeepUp banner, will continue in some form.

In a statement without attribution to A-League commissioner Nick Garcia, the APL stated a need to ?create efficiencies through consolidation? as poor crowds continue to be a problem for the men?s and women?s competitions.

?In the three years since unbundling (with Football Australia), APL has implemented a strategy that has seen a period of rapid growth across our business,? an APL statement said.

?With the original three-year strategy coming to an end, a planned full strategic and commercial review has taken place over the last several months.

?The review has identified significant opportunities to create efficiencies through consolidation and this necessitates an organisational restructure that is now underway.

?APL?s priorities remain the same ? to deliver commercial growth and sustainability by creating the most exciting competitions possible for our fans ? with strong teams producing great young players across Australia and New Zealand.?

Club owners are divided as to whether the A-League men?s and women?s competitions should remain under the APL?s control or return to be run and governed by Football Australia.

However, it?s understood FA isn?t interested in regaining control of the nation?s top men?s and women?s competitions, which continue to be marred by low crowds.

Last weekend?s ?Unite Round? ? in which all 12 A-League men?s and women?s matches were played in Sydney ? attracting a cumulative attendance of less than 48,000 people.

However, the seems an inflated figure, with the APL having included crowds at the weekend?s double-headers as separate attendances when adding up the numbers.

For example, the 8147 people who attended the Melbourne Victory and Central Coast Mariners? 1-1 men?s draw in the first match of Saturday?s double-header at Allianz Stadium, weren?t included in the 11,918 crowd figure for Adelaide United?s 4-3 win over Sydney in the later match at the same venue despite the likelihood that spectators from the first game would have stayed for the second match.

And despite the popularity of the Matildas after their stunning run to the World Cup semi-finals, only one of six A-League women?s matches last weekend attracted more than 2000 people. The total attendance for those games was just over 11,000.

However, Garcia was confident of a stronger ?Unite Round? next year.

?This is just the start of a unique tradition in our game,? Garcia said.

?We?ve already begun planning for Unite Round next season, and will take on feedback from fans, clubs, players and partners, as we look to build on this success in years to come.?


There have serious been questions raised about its broadcast deal with Network 10/Paramount +, with sagging ratings have failed to meet required targets needed for the total sum of broadcast deal to be paid to the APL.

There was also significant fan backlash over the decision to sell the grand final to the New South Wales government (taking hosting rights away from the top-placed team), a decision which was reversed after just one year and replaced by ?Unite Round?.

The APL has also been forced to fund the struggling Perth Glory, with the Newcastle Jets have required the financial assistance of other club owners to remain afloat.

Despite the APL?s financial problems, the men?s league will expand next season with the addition of a second New Zealand team, while a Canberra club is also expected to be part of the 2024-25 men?s competition.

?We are in advanced negotiations about the Canberra licence,? Garcia said.

?We are working towards a further update in the coming weeks, and it is our ambition that this new club is part of the 2024-25 season.?

[Thomas477]

Obviously not good when people lose their jobs, but I have two thoughts.

1) How the hell do you burn through $30 million on KeepUp? I think Townsend has a lot to answer for.

2) The decoupling has failed. Everything the APL do is a disaster. Sydney GF, Unite against Sydney FC round, ladder rules etc. They need to come out and acknowledge this and focus on running the two clubs sustainably. Don’t worry about anything else, just focus on that. Get the crowds back, get the product to a solid foundation then expand.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Agree everything they touch turns to crap at the moment.
FFA ownership seems like a well run operation in hindsight.


Their sole purpose should be boosting crowds however possible. Free tickets. Paying actors. Whatever they need to do. Get as many people into those stadiums as possible.
When you get lots of people in a stadium many things happen.
- sponsors get interested. More exposure. More money.
- broadcast people take interest.
- people don’t want to miss out on something a lot of people are going to, and go themselves.
- create a demand for tickets for those operating out of smaller grounds


At the moment the images you see of games are abysmal. No crowds. You see a goal and they go celebrate with the 3 supporters.
Nobody is seeing those images thinking, I want to be there.

[Thomas477]

Agree everything they touch turns to crap at the moment.
FFA ownership seems like a well run operation in hindsight.


Their sole purpose should be boosting crowds however possible. Free tickets. Paying actors. Whatever they need to do. Get as many people into those stadiums as possible.
When you get lots of people in a stadium many things happen.
- sponsors get interested. More exposure. More money.
- broadcast people take interest.
- people don’t want to miss out on something a lot of people are going to, and go themselves.
- create a demand for tickets for those operating out of smaller grounds


At the moment the images you see of games are abysmal. No crowds. You see a goal and they go celebrate with the 3 supporters.
Nobody is seeing those images thinking, I want to be there.

100% and I think we also need to go back to, and it may be controversial, the aleague of 12/13 (I think) where we had big name marquees like ADP, Heskey and Ono to attract crowds. Yes it’s not the best thing long term, but we need to get crowds back and I don’t think a spattering of Socceroos at Sydney fc or Melbourne city is enough.

[q-money]

ADP, Heskey and Ono
peak z-lig

also 3 games b2b into premier league on foxtel every saturday arvo...we don't know how good we had it

[q-money]

$30 million on KeepUp
this is amazing lol

boz must be close to these numbers for the foz with no ad-traffic

[pv4]

I think Townsend has a lot to answer for.

This isn't getting said anywhere near enough.

[Bremsstrahlung]

Genuinely curious how everyone else (club owners) feels about the cluster f*** they have let the league devolve to.

I’d be curious to see what metrics have improved.
I’d be particularly interested to see how clubs have shifted toward development and if the data supports anecdotal memory that we seem to be shipping a few players overseas

[380]

Game is on its last legs in its current form.

Poor crowds.
Poor TV numbers
The standard of the comp has nosedived
Standard of officiating is have a influence over results
Clubs on financial life support and those that are not are losing money

I have a family member who for the very first time since the A League started has not been a season ticket holder and if you ask him he says he feels like he has not missed a thing about it.

And the fact of the matter is the game relies so much on revenue from broadcasting deals and as it is they will be worth diddly squat to sell when the current deal expires furthermore impacting the viability of the game financially moving forward.

No idea what the answers are simply because the questions have been allowed to be ignored by administrators of the game and get so bloody huge.

IMO all this negativity surrounding the game in the last few days probably has any potential buyer of the club asking themselves do i really want to own a club trying to operate in the current climate Football finds itself in this country. I know we can joke and all about price being cheap but ultimately it doesn't matter how little you paid to acquire the club if it all goes to shit then even a little is too much.

[My2BobsWorth]

The Jets are a microcosm of the A league in general. The wrong people are in charge. Fix that and the league might prosper

[anfield]

100% and I think we also need to go back to, and it may be controversial, the aleague of 12/13 (I think) where we had big name marquees like ADP, Heskey and Ono to attract crowds. Yes it’s not the best thing long term, but we need to get crowds back and I don’t think a spattering of Socceroos at Sydney fc or Melbourne city is enough.

The problem is all the leagues in the gulf have blown the A League out of the water with how much they offer.

All these competitions are now in direct competition for players along with MLS, Japan and China. The A League falls well down at the bottom of those.

In my opinion we don't well enough to promote and retain the foreign players that are here already. Marcelo is potentially the best defender in pedigree the league had seen, played at Lyon for a few year. DaSilva at victory another good professional. Hendrix at wanderers is quality and I believe people don't respect how good Germain was and still is after years at Marsielle and Monaco.

[Killa]

Agree everything they touch turns to crap at the moment.
FFA ownership seems like a well run operation in hindsight.


Their sole purpose should be boosting crowds however possible. Free tickets. Paying actors. Whatever they need to do. Get as many people into those stadiums as possible.
When you get lots of people in a stadium many things happen.
- sponsors get interested. More exposure. More money.
- broadcast people take interest.
- people don?t want to miss out on something a lot of people are going to, and go themselves.
- create a demand for tickets for those operating out of smaller grounds


At the moment the images you see of games are abysmal. No crowds. You see a goal and they go celebrate with the 3 supporters.
Nobody is seeing those images thinking, I want to be there.
Well when the organisation running the league identify themselves as being Media & Entertainment rather than Football Administration, you can probably pinpoint where the sole problem lies

[My2BobsWorth]

100% and I think we also need to go back to, and it may be controversial, the aleague of 12/13 (I think) where we had big name marquees like ADP, Heskey and Ono to attract crowds. Yes it’s not the best thing long term, but we need to get crowds back and I don’t think a spattering of Socceroos at Sydney fc or Melbourne city is enough.

Sydney have had their Russian money blockaded by the government, so no more ADP, we have no chance of a Heskey anytime soon, and even City group are being very frugal this year, which is worrying, they could bring Messi and Ronny if they wanted

[Thomas477]

The problem is all the leagues in the gulf have blown the A League out of the water with how much they offer.

All these competitions are now in direct competition for players along with MLS, Japan and China. The A League falls well down at the bottom of those.

In my opinion we don't well enough to promote and retain the foreign players that are here already. Marcelo is potentially the best defender in pedigree the league had seen, played at Lyon for a few year. DaSilva at victory another good professional. Hendrix at wanderers is quality and I believe people don't respect how good Germain was and still is after years at Marsielle and Monaco.

The gulf has changed things, but that may only be a short term thing like China was. The money isn?t in China the same way it was 15 years ago. Their economy is in much worse shape. Japan and the MLS are competitors, but they were also there 10 years.

Some of the foreigners at the moment are very good, but they don?t have the same crowd pulling power that those 3 did back in the day. Just a quick look at transfermarket shows players like De Gea, Mata, Lingard (I?m a Man U fan :shrug: ), Sakho, Douglas Costa, Chicharito, Carlos Vela are all free agents. I know it wouldn?t be easy, but it?s the only short term solution to crowd numbers I can see. I don?t know what else the APL can do except charge Townsend with malicious mismanagement, but that ain?t happening.

[Jetmaster]

Well when the organisation running the league identify themselves as being Media & Entertainment rather than Football Administration, you can probably pinpoint where the sole problem lies

This is something I have been thinking about - what happened to the thrill of the matchday - the passion and spontaneity are missing at the moment. And alot of the whole experience has become sanitised, especially the TV coverage.

On Fox, not only would we get good coverage of the games but they were hosted by football people with passion who would talk about the negatives as well as the positives. They would also have at least one analysis show during the week where the issues of the day would be discussed. You didn't always agree with Bozza, Harps, Rudes and Slater but at least they were prepared to speak their mind. P+ use "robots". Beige CH10 hosts who smile and gush over what they call "the greatest league in the world" and pundits who look like they have been told to put the smiley face on, talk up the game and not rock the boat too much. There is little to no discussion about the state of the game in general. For example last night watching the game in Brisbane, there was no chat about the lack of crowds on the weekend or the APL retrenchments on what I saw. They highlighted the "success" of the Unite Round by playing the expected vignette of all the goals over the weekend.

As for matchday, you can see what they are trying to do, but instead of supplementing the good things (especially active support), they appear to be trying to create a "sports entertainment" package. The whole experience is "sanitised". The active group trying valiantly are never mentioned at the ground, we get kickoff countdowns and choreographed chanting which I abhor. Remember the "stand up in the 87th minute if you love the Jets"? And the daft idea that never eventuated of playing chants and music during goal kicks as they were "quiet periods".

Atmosphere has always been created tribally and has never been able to be forced. Remember the game against SFC when Roy was wrongly sent off - the atmosphere changed, it wasn't pretty or nice but the crowd got behind the side, hated on Sydney bigtime, and I have no doubt carried the team to victory. I am not sure that would happen now, even if the same thing happened and we had 20,000 there. It doesn't help that crowds are poor right now.

I get it that we are in changing times, and sport is now business, but alot of the emotion is gone - add in overbearing security, mid strength alcohol and bloody VAR/refereeing which has noticeably killed off celebrating a goal (not all APL fault of course). This is happening overseas as well but the football "culture" is much stronger there, and there is sensible balance.

[Jeterpool]

This is something I have been thinking about - what happened to the thrill of the matchday - the passion and spontaneity are missing at the moment. And alot of the whole experience has become sanitised, especially the TV coverage.

On Fox, not only would we get good coverage of the games but they were hosted by football people with passion who would talk about the negatives as well as the positives. They would also have at least one analysis show during the week where the issues of the day would be discussed. You didn't always agree with Bozza, Harps, Rudes and Slater but at least they were prepared to speak their mind. P+ use "robots". Beige CH10 hosts who smile and gush over what they call "the greatest league in the world" and pundits who look like they have been told to put the smiley face on, talk up the game and not rock the boat too much. There is little to no discussion about the state of the game in general. For example last night watching the game in Brisbane, there was no chat about the lack of crowds on the weekend or the APL retrenchments on what I saw. They highlighted the "success" of the Unite Round by playing the expected vignette of all the goals over the weekend.

As for matchday, you can see what they are trying to do, but instead of supplementing the good things (especially active support), they appear to be trying to create a "sports entertainment" package. The whole experience is "sanitised". The active group trying valiantly are never mentioned at the ground, we get kickoff countdowns and choreographed chanting which I abhor. Remember the "stand up in the 87th minute if you love the Jets"? And the daft idea that never eventuated of playing chants and music during goal kicks as they were "quiet periods".

Atmosphere has always been created tribally and has never been able to be forced. Remember the game against SFC when Roy was wrongly sent off - the atmosphere changed, it wasn't pretty or nice but the crowd got behind the side, hated on Sydney bigtime, and I have no doubt carried the team to victory. I am not sure that would happen now, even if the same thing happened and we had 20,000 there. It doesn't help that crowds are poor right now.

I get it that we are in changing times, and sport is now business, but alot of the emotion is gone - add in overbearing security, mid strength alcohol and bloody VAR/refereeing which has noticeably killed off celebrating a goal (not all APL fault of course). This is happening overseas as well but the football "culture" is much stronger there, and there is sensible balance.

Good post, Jetmaster

[My2BobsWorth]

This is something I have been thinking about - what happened to the thrill of the matchday - the passion and spontaneity are missing at the moment. And alot of the whole experience has become sanitised, especially the TV coverage.

On Fox, not only would we get good coverage of the games but they were hosted by football people with passion who would talk about the negatives as well as the positives. They would also have at least one analysis show during the week where the issues of the day would be discussed. You didn't always agree with Bozza, Harps, Rudes and Slater but at least they were prepared to speak their mind. P+ use "robots". Beige CH10 hosts who smile and gush over what they call "the greatest league in the world" and pundits who look like they have been told to put the smiley face on, talk up the game and not rock the boat too much. There is little to no discussion about the state of the game in general. For example last night watching the game in Brisbane, there was no chat about the lack of crowds on the weekend or the APL retrenchments on what I saw. They highlighted the "success" of the Unite Round by playing the expected vignette of all the goals over the weekend.

As for matchday, you can see what they are trying to do, but instead of supplementing the good things (especially active support), they appear to be trying to create a "sports entertainment" package. The whole experience is "sanitised". The active group trying valiantly are never mentioned at the ground, we get kickoff countdowns and choreographed chanting which I abhor. Remember the "stand up in the 87th minute if you love the Jets"? And the daft idea that never eventuated of playing chants and music during goal kicks as they were "quiet periods".

Atmosphere has always been created tribally and has never been able to be forced. Remember the game against SFC when Roy was wrongly sent off - the atmosphere changed, it wasn't pretty or nice but the crowd got behind the side, hated on Sydney bigtime, and I have no doubt carried the team to victory. I am not sure that would happen now, even if the same thing happened and we had 20,000 there. It doesn't help that crowds are poor right now.

I get it that we are in changing times, and sport is now business, but alot of the emotion is gone - add in overbearing security, mid strength alcohol and bloody VAR/refereeing which has noticeably killed off celebrating a goal (not all APL fault of course). This is happening overseas as well but the football "culture" is much stronger there, and there is sensible balance.

Stop talking sense or you'll be banned

[Jetmaster]

Stop talking sense or you'll be banned

My medication must be working...

Will also add that the constant inability of any Newcastle entity to get long term and stable ownership has really taken its toll over the last 40 years.

The frustrating thing is that we have seen what it can be.