2016/17 Squad Thread

[borat]

Might not be about what Ma wants, rather we can make some money from this deal.

Pure profit, whatever the fee

Chinese transfer window closes on 28 Feb so if it was going to happen it needs to be soon or we don't make a dime from it

[borat]

Wasn't their an article from Ma Lei Lei few weeks backs where he said he could earn more money playing in china but wanted to do well in a overseas league to get into the Chinese national team. Could be wrong though.

And China wonders why it can't compete internationally when all their players play domestically in what is arguably not a strong league.

Not that the HAL is better but you would think having Chinese players in leagues around the world would help their National team be competitive

[StannyCFCJET]

Might not be about what Ma wants, rather we can make some money from this deal.

Pure profit, whatever the fee

What the player wants especially if the coach is using him should be taken into account.

[Macca]

Probably a cultural thing in some ways too, you get the sense that they love doing things on their own and in their own way, in a much broader sense than football. I think they like the independence. (This was in reply to Borat's post)

Not too fussed, if we sell him and make some money, great, but it again comes down to what we do with the money and who we replace him with. I think he's been a decent addition to the squad, still not quite sure what his level is - you see moments of brilliance and finesse from him but sometimes goes missing for 15 minutes or more at a time.

[WolfMan]

Chinese transfer window closes on 28 Feb so if it was going to happen it needs to be soon or we don't make a dime from it

With the mooted interested team in town, I would expect negotiations to progress swiftly


What the player wants especially if the coach is using him should be taken into account.

Martin Lee is a businessman. He will run the club to initially try and break even, and hopefully return a profit in future. After years of leeching money under prior ownership, and getting absolutely screwed with other transfers (Middleby, I'm looking at you), I don't get the argument against this move

[StannyCFCJET]

With the mooted interested team in town, I would expect negotiations to progress swiftly



Martin Lee is a businessman. He will run the club to initially try and break even, and hopefully return a profit in future. After years of leeching money under prior ownership, and getting absolutely screwed with other transfers (Middleby, I'm looking at you), I don't get the argument against this move

My argument is who replaces Ma Lei Lei at number 10 brown has been inconsistent in the attacking aspects of his game (his work rate is fantastic). Clut hasnt shown enough to make Jones start him. Hoole central is an option but we need him out wide

[WolfMan]

My argument is who replaces Ma Lei Lei at number 10 brown has been inconsistent in the attacking aspects of his game (his work rate is fantastic). Clut hasnt shown enough to make Jones start him. Hoole central is an option but we need him out wide

I take your point, but money talks. Ma has been good, sometimes great. But he isn't the long-term answer.

Perhaps Brown isn't either, although we stupidly decided to extend his deal 30 seconds into his current one (WTF?)

I think the amount of playing time Ma has been seeing lately was a "shop window" scenario. Perfect storm with Brown being injured, and I think Clut has been given the rough end of the stick for a few weeks now.

All in all, I think we will be fine without Ma on the books. He has definitely surprised some people (myself included), but when you can pick up somebody off the scrapheap and offload him for a fee, it's a no-brainer for me.

[Macca]

Nordstrand 10 Kokko 9.

Issues are -
Lower pace/workrate, may not suit the pressing and fast break game we have been playing
Nordstrand still likely have to be replaced, although maybe if he's not chasing longballs through the defence he will last longer. Although Clut would be an option to come on at 10 for the last 25, or Brown can do it with Johnny K coming into CM. A few options

[Macca]

I take your point, but money talks. Ma has been good, sometimes great. But he isn't the long-term answer.

Perhaps Brown isn't either, although we stupidly decided to extend his deal 30 seconds into his current one (WTF?)

I think the amount of playing time Ma has been seeing lately was a "shop window" scenario. Perfect storm with Brown being injured, and I think Clut has been given the rough end of the stick for a few weeks now.

All in all, I think we will be fine without Ma on the books. He has definitely surprised some people (myself included), but when you can pick up somebody off the scrapheap and offload him for a fee, it's a no-brainer for me.

I hope we do it again. Not blindly of course, but look at the "scrapheap" players we have picked up over the years. Even just now, our player of the season is one. In general we should be looking to do it, but an area we may have an advantage or extra insight is Chinese players. If there are more that have been a bit unlucky lately but we believe they're decent quality, do the same deal. If they can enhance our squad for half a season to a season before being sold back to the Chinese market, sounds like great business. Its not like we are breaking the bank using visa spots for marquee players. I think having one of our visa spots be for a "project" player, don't get me wrong they still need to be if not first team quality then right in contention for it, is a direction we could go down

[Jeterpool]

Nordstrand 10 Kokko 9.

Issues are -
Lower pace/workrate, may not suit the pressing and fast break game we have been playing
Nordstrand still likely have to be replaced, although maybe if he's not chasing longballs through the defence he will last longer. Although Clut would be an option to come on at 10 for the last 25, or Brown can do it with Johnny K coming into CM. A few options

We haven't had a debate like this since we all wanted Heskey and Bridges to play together.

[StannyCFCJET]

We haven't had a debate like this since we all wanted Heskey and Bridges to play together.

That wouldve been amazing to see. Taggart + Heskey worked well together

[380]

Probably a cultural thing in some ways too, you get the sense that they love doing things on their own and in their own way, in a much broader sense than football. I think they like the independence. (This was in reply to Borat's post)

Not too fussed, if we sell him and make some money, great, but it again comes down to what we do with the money and who we replace him with. I think he's been a decent addition to the squad, still not quite sure what his level is - you see moments of brilliance and finesse from him but sometimes goes missing for 15 minutes or more at a time.



Am sure we can find some 30 + year old nobody from SA to replace him.

[furns]

My argument is who replaces Ma Lei Lei at number 10 brown has been inconsistent in the attacking aspects of his game (his work rate is fantastic). Clut hasnt shown enough to make Jones start him. Hoole central is an option but we need him out wide
This is why we signed Dimi imo
A midfield 3 of Brown Poljak & Stevie or brown would be the one in a 4213 behind a front three of Hoole Nabbout & Dimi. Now Dimi isn't going to happen, imperative we sign a suitable replacement - marquee preferably.

[plague]

We haven't had a debate like this since we all wanted Heskey and Bridges to play together.

Michael Bridges played in the Premier League you know.
He is also friends with Harry Kewell.

[borat]

This is why we signed Dimi imo
A midfield 3 of Brown Poljak & Stevie or brown would be the one in a 4213 behind a front three of Hoole Nabbout & Dimi. Now Dimi isn't going to happen, imperative we sign a suitable replacement - marquee preferably.

You think Dimi was signed to play striker?

[Jeterpool]

Michael Bridges played in the Premier League you know.
He is also friends with Harry Kewell.

Really!? You reckon he could have got Kewell out here to play for us instead of Heart and Victory

[The Dunster]

Can we bundle Kokko into the deal as well ? I was initially a fan of Kokko but I've not seen anything much since to suggest he's the player we need.

[ForeverRed]

Can we bundle Kokko into the deal as well ? I was initially a fan of Kokko but I've not seen anything much since to suggest he's the player we need.

last night kooko was thrown to the wolves again, he came on when hoole and nabbout had empty engines, with 15 to go Broxam replaces Bozanic and victory then play two holding mids which pretty much closed our attack down, Kokko had no chance,

[StannyCFCJET]

last night kooko was thrown to the wolves again, he came on when hoole and nabbout had empty engines, with 15 to go Broxam replaces Bozanic and victory then play two holding mids which pretty much closed our attack down, Kokko had no chance,

Jones will use this to say Kokko was lazy and doesnt offer an outlet

[furns]

You think Dimi was signed to play striker?
Not as a dedicated striker no
But definately could play better than Nobby in a fluid front 3

[hawk]

Can we bundle Kokko into the deal as well ? I was initially a fan of Kokko but I've not seen anything much since to suggest he's the player we need.

https://i0.wp.com/isntthatgrand.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/bundle.jpg

[Jeterpool]

:rof:

[turbojetfireV8]

Beware the Barrel Boys: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4466499/jets-seek-consistency-in-push-for-play-offs/?cs=3398

[turbojetfireV8]

Think this one on Ma has all been covered elsewhere: http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4468355/playmaker-attracts-interest-from-china/?cs=3398

[StannyCFCJET]

What has happened to Brymora?

[tomo]

What has happened to Brymora?

Wasnt he one of the ones that went to portugal?

[tomo]

Usain Bolt anyone? :P

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/02/15/usain-bolt-believes-he-could-be-good-rooney

[monz6]

Didn't know where to post this. And no one will probably care. But we are seventh on the home table and eighth on the away table, but sixth on the actual table!

[turbojetfireV8]

Usain Bolt anyone? :P

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/02/15/usain-bolt-believes-he-could-be-good-rooney

if we lose Hoole he may be an option... :popcorn:

[evanhayes5]

Kokko isnt great he has had chances to prove himself and hasnt been up to it. He cant press which as a forward in this league you must be able to do. Berisha is probably one of the best strikers in the league and probably presses the most out of all the Victory players.

From what Ive been told LeiLei really wants to leave and head back to china, he has struggled to fit into the group because of the language barrier and so on. He wasnt even meant to start in the Victory game but then Jones was forced to play him, Im guessing it was so someone from Liaoning could see him up close.

If the club needs to have chinese players on its roster, I think the best option would be to sign 2, so both at least have each other to have bantz with and all that sort of stuff which happens off the pitch.

For me it would be signing 2 full backs, Asian country's usually have good full backs who are disciplined and good 1v1 defenders.

[plague]

That Calletti(?) kid from Brisbane is the business.
Throw coin at him to play 10.

Done.

[leftrightout]

That Calletti(?) kid from Brisbane is the business.
Throw coin at him to play 10.

Done.

He is Joeys captain and has only just signed with them. I doubt he will be going anywhere but overseas!

[plague]

He is Joeys captain and has only just signed with them. I doubt he will be going anywhere but overseas!

Ok plan b:

Coach Ooga Booga up to play like that.

Geez I'm good at this.

[The Camel]

Is Borello off contract? Kid goes well. Play him up front or replace Hoole on the right if he ****s off to European reserve grade

[RAM]

Is Borello off contract? Kid goes well. Play him up front or replace Hoole on the right if he ****s off to European reserve grade

Borrello will go to Europe before he signs for us.

That ship has sailed.

[Wilso8948]

Fahd Ben Kalfalah worth a shot for a year or two? Not playing at victory

[StannyCFCJET]

This will be an odd opinion/question maybe but what has Wayne Brown actually done since he signed his new contract, Cant remember any games where he was as good as round one and two.

[evanhayes5]

This will be an odd opinion/question maybe but what has Wayne Brown actually done since he signed his new contract, Cant remember any games where he was as good as round one and two.

Forced to sit on the bench cause Jonesy has been forced to play lei lei

[hawk]

This will be an odd opinion/question maybe but what has Wayne Brown actually done since he signed his new contract, Cant remember any games where he was as good as round one and two.

smashed that coastie unlike many others

[Jeterpool]

He also became a dad again

[plague]

He also became a dad again

Don't you just 'remain' a dad?

[Jeterpool]

Don't you just 'remain' a dad?

Deep.

How about "he became Dad to another child?"

[Jeterpool]

Players still off contract:

Ben Kantarovski
Ben Kennedy
Labinot Haliti
Andrew Hoole
Mateo Poljak
Daniel Mullen
Morten Nordstrand (I recall when he re-signed there is an option for the club to retain him for a second season)
Ma Leilei
Harrison Sawyer
Kristian Brymora
Joel Allwright
Tomislav Arcaba

I'm surprised at the very little movement in the player market since the free-market opened.

[StannyCFCJET]

Players still off contract:

Ben Kantarovski
Ben Kennedy
Labinot Haliti
Andrew Hoole
Mateo Poljak
Daniel Mullen
Morten Nordstrand (I recall when he re-signed there is an option for the club to retain him for a second season)
Ma Leilei
Harrison Sawyer
Kristian Brymora
Joel Allwright
Tomislav Arcaba

I'm surprised at the very little movement in the player market since the free-market opened.

Out of that list based on what weve seen only Hoole and Poijak get resigned

[cobra23]

Out of that list based on what weve seen only Hoole and Poijak get resigned

+ 1

[leftrightout]

Kanta should be resigned, at a low wage of which part should be salary cap exempt.

[Guerny]

Kanta should be resigned, at a low wage of which part should be salary cap exempt.

ummm... why?

[Grimario]

ummm... why?

At a guess, LRO is suggesting that Kanta is the kind of player that we should be keeping and spending the outside the cap home grown/loyalty funds or whatever it is. He's not a completely awful player, has good versatility and if he takes up $0 in the salary cap, that means we have 22 spots for our 2.5m instead of 23. Make 2 marquee signings, sign an NPL rookie and use money on Cowburn or whoever meets whatever the old Junior Marquee thing is and suddenly you have 2.5m of cap to spend on the remaining 18 players. We don't do that.

No wonder clubs like Melbourne and Sydney have so much better squads. If you have those 5 spots outside the cap, that's a full $30k per person extra you can spend inside the cap. Even more if you snag a Timmy Cahill Rule player.

[Bon]

At a guess, LRO is suggesting that Kanta is the kind of player that we should be keeping and spending the outside the cap home grown/loyalty funds or whatever it is. He's not a completely awful player, has good versatility and if he takes up $0 in the salary cap, that means we have 22 spots for our 2.5m instead of 23. Make 2 marquee signings, sign an NPL rookie and use money on Cowburn or whoever meets whatever the old Junior Marquee thing is and suddenly you have 2.5m of cap to spend on the remaining 18 players. We don't do that.

No wonder clubs like Melbourne and Sydney have so much better squads. If you have those 5 spots outside the cap, that's a full $30k per person extra you can spend inside the cap. Even more if you snag a Timmy Cahill Rule player.

Its pretty mental when you lay it all out on the table like that..

[Grimario]

Its pretty mental when you lay it all out on the table like that..

Yup... and the loyalty thing isn't just for one player, is it? It's up to a dollar figure, maybe $300k? So you could pay Kanta his salary, maybe BK in there as well and voila, you have a solid back up keeper, a versatile squad member and $0 spent in the cap.

[hawk]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4501954/set-for-takeoff/?cs=305

hoole could be gorn. haters rejoice. i think we'll miss him due to crap recruitment historiez

[WolfMan]

hoole could be gorn. haters rejoice. i think we'll miss him due to crap recruitment historiez


McKinna said Daniel Mullen would be offered a new deal

Only part about that article that surprised me. What. The. Hell

[StannyCFCJET]

Only part about that article that surprised me. What. The. Hell

Mullen?? FFS do we want to improve our squad

[Jeterpool]

Nice to see the club showing some backbone in contract negotiations

Mullen surprises me too

[Jetmaster]

Doesn't this Joel Grenell go on with crap...he convinces Hoole he is better than he is.
He previously commented that Hoole would not come back to Newcastle as there were offers in Europe if he left Sydney.
I tip him to vanish from the face of the earth.

[baldrick]

Nice to see the club showing some backbone in contract negotiations


This.

[Wilso8948]

Says Mullen will be offered a new deal. Doesn't necessarily state this is an upgraded deal. Possibly a pay cut..

[StannyCFCJET]

Says Mullen will be offered a new deal. Doesn't necessarily state this is an upgraded deal. Possibly a pay cut..

better be a big paycut based off performances this year

[leftrightout]

At a guess, LRO is suggesting that Kanta is the kind of player that we should be keeping and spending the outside the cap home grown/loyalty funds or whatever it is. He's not a completely awful player, has good versatility and if he takes up $0 in the salary cap, that means we have 22 spots for our 2.5m instead of 23. Make 2 marquee signings, sign an NPL rookie and use money on Cowburn or whoever meets whatever the old Junior Marquee thing is and suddenly you have 2.5m of cap to spend on the remaining 18 players. We don't do that.

No wonder clubs like Melbourne and Sydney have so much better squads. If you have those 5 spots outside the cap, that's a full $30k per person extra you can spend inside the cap. Even more if you snag a Timmy Cahill Rule player.

That guess is 100% on the money... my thoughts exactly!

[Wilso8948]

better be a big paycut based off performances this year
I honestly don't see the big drama provided he's not on big coin. Carrying 3 CB in him, boogard and Jackson as well as Jonny K with the versatility to slip into midfield is probably adequate. I've seen a lot say that's too much but how many times have we had to draw on the depth in these positions each week. With injuries and suspensions playing a big part in the backline. CB isn't exactly a place any utility can just fill in. (Although JK is doing a bang up job)

[StannyCFCJET]

I honestly don't see the big drama provided he's not on big coin. Carrying 3 CB in him, boogard and Jackson as well as Jonny K with the versatility to slip into midfield is probably adequate. I've seen a lot say that's too much but how many times have we had to draw on the depth in these positions each week. With injuries and suspensions playing a big part in the backline. CB isn't exactly a place any utility can just fill in. (Although JK is doing a bang up job)

Its not the big coin issue its the whenever he plays he's 99% of the time awful

[MFKS]

Yup... and the loyalty thing isn't just for one player, is it? It's up to a dollar figure, maybe $300k? So you could pay Kanta his salary, maybe BK in there as well and voila, you have a solid back up keeper, a versatile squad member and $0 spent in the cap.
You ****s will do anything to justify keeping these two at the club.

Let's just look at it straight up

Has Kantarovski done enough to warrant a new deal??
No

Then let him go


Has Bk done enough to warrant a new deal??
No
Then let him go

**** your sentiment right off
We been shit for the last 10 years

Why??
Because we keep giving contracts to those that don't ****ing perform

[steve136]

Hoole has improved this year but still has zero composure in most situations, isn't a sharp finisher and his touch still lets him down a lot of the time. Perfect candidate to hang around in the a-league for another year or two to continue to improve, but nope - another one racing off to Europe. I've seen this story before...he'll sign with a club that has no intention to start him, he'll sit on a bench for two years and come back to Australia when he's 26 to start all over again. You'd think these kids would learn...

[skullboy]

Says Mullen will be offered a new deal. Doesn't necessarily state this is an upgraded deal. Possibly a pay cut..

I concur.

I would expect the deal being offered will be considerably less than what he is on now. Next year and beyond he will be a bench player I would imagine, but every team needs bench players.

[Grimario]

You ****s will do anything to justify keeping these two at the club.

Let's just look at it straight up

Has Kantarovski done enough to warrant a new deal??
No

Then let him go


Has Bk done enough to warrant a new deal??
No
Then let him go

**** your sentiment right off
We been shit for the last 10 years

Why??
Because we keep giving contracts to those that don't ****ing perform

Did you even bother reading the logic behind it? I'm assuming not because you're advocating not using money outside the cap on the only players we have that are eligible for it and instead getting two equally shit players in and reducing the quality of the rest of the squad as a result.

You're a blithering idiot.

[leftrightout]

Did you even bother reading the logic behind it? I'm assuming not because you're advocating not using money outside the cap on the only players we have that are eligible for it and instead getting two equally shit players in and reducing the quality of the rest of the squad as a result.

You're a blithering idiot.

Thank you for saving me the time to write that!

[Bon]

Did you even bother reading the logic behind it? I'm assuming not because you're advocating not using money outside the cap on the only players we have that are eligible for it and instead getting two equally shit players in and reducing the quality of the rest of the squad as a result.

You're a blithering idiot.

:lulzturtle:

[Jeterpool]

Are there players in the league we would look at to replace Hoole? If we are looking to replace certain attributes of his game, we need speed and the ability to play 90 minutes - he's the only Jets player to have started all games he has been available for selection and not be substituted.

What is Nathan Burns doing? Would Chris Harold be an option?

Would we move Brown back to the positon behind the striker, get a striker who works very hard and carry a luxury player like a Castro? What Brisbane Roar Youth player can we pinch?

[Bon]

Are there players in the league we would look at to replace Hoole? If we are looking to replace certain attributes of his game, we need speed and the ability to play 90 minutes - he's the only Jets player to have started all games he has been available for selection and not be substituted.

What is Nathan Burns doing? Would Chris Harold be an option?

Would we move Brown back to the positon behind the striker, get a striker who works very hard and carry a luxury player like a Castro? What Brisbane Roar Youth player can we pinch?

I like your thinking..
However, with our coaches amazing scouting connections, we all know we are only going to get a choice of a few Adelaide youth or youth women players..

[Grimario]

Are there players in the league we would look at to replace Hoole? If we are looking to replace certain attributes of his game, we need speed and the ability to play 90 minutes - he's the only Jets player to have started all games he has been available for selection and not be substituted.

What is Nathan Burns doing? Would Chris Harold be an option?

Would we move Brown back to the positon behind the striker, get a striker who works very hard and carry a luxury player like a Castro? What Brisbane Roar Youth player can we pinch?

Nailed on to sign someone like Dylan Smith... meets all of Jones criteria. Former Adelaide Youth player, now plays in SA NPL with Adelaide City.

[Grimario]

I like your thinking..
However, with our coaches amazing scouting connections, we all know we are only going to get a choice of a few Adelaide youth or youth women players..


Nailed on to sign someone like Dylan Smith... meets all of Jones criteria. Former Adelaide Youth player, now plays in SA NPL with Adelaide City.

Look at these two cynical ****wits with the same opinion.

[The Camel]

Are there players in the league we would look at to replace Hoole? If we are looking to replace certain attributes of his game, we need speed and the ability to play 90 minutes - he's the only Jets player to have started all games he has been available for selection and not be substituted.

What is Nathan Burns doing? Would Chris Harold be an option?

Would we move Brown back to the positon behind the striker, get a striker who works very hard and carry a luxury player like a Castro? What Brisbane Roar Youth player can we pinch?

Not 90 mins but Fahid Ben Kalfallah would be a great replacement/upgrade on Hoole

[Jeterpool]

Not 90 mins but Fahid Ben Kalfallah would be a great replacement/upgrade on Hoole

I'm not sure we'd get Fahid for the same coin Hoole would be on/offered - he would be expecting a lot more.

Personally, I think he's been worked out and past it. But he's an option.

[Jeterpool]

Look at these two cynical ****wits with the same opinion.

Yeah, you gotta remember what you say in your multi account.

[Grimario]

Yeah, you gotta remember what you say in your multi account.

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

[Bon]

Yeah, you gotta remember what you say in your multi account.

The major difference between us, is that I can play table tennis.. :gent:

[Grimario]

The major difference between us, is that I can play table tennis.. :gent:

You've met me... I am lucky to play anything.


Oh wait, that's right... you flaked on that meet up and drink beer schedule that pv4 was organising.

[Bon]

You've met me... I am lucky to play anything.


Oh wait, that's right... you flaked on that meet up and drink beer schedule that pv4 was organising.

I think the key problem in this saga has been highlighted..

[Jeterpool]

I think the key problem in this saga has been highlighted..

It's a common problem, to be fair. :rof:

[Grimario]

I think the key problem in this saga has been highlighted..

:rof:

Bloody coasties.

[halo se7en]

You ****s will do anything to justify keeping these two at the club.

Let's just look at it straight up

Has Kantarovski done enough to warrant a new deal??
No

Then let him go


Has Bk done enough to warrant a new deal??
No
Then let him go

**** your sentiment right off
We been shit for the last 10 years

Why??
Because we keep giving contracts to those that don't ****ing perform

Yet you want Jones to stay.

[WolfMan]

Interesting question RE: Hoole's replacement.

One I don't have an answer for. I'd love to keep Hoole for the next 6 months, but it's his (and his agent's) decision to try their luck abroad.

[Guerny]

... using money outside the cap on the only players we have that are eligible for it and instead getting two equally shit players in and reducing the quality of the rest of the squad as a result.

So you've acknowledged that they are shit players but still want the club to waste two squad positions on them (and actually pay them)...
yep... you're logic is flawless... let's keep encouraging the mediocrity because we can save some funds in the cap.

As an alternative we could just, you know, recruit better players into those two squad spots.

[Grimario]

So you've acknowledged that they are shit players but still want the club to waste two squad positions on them (and actually pay them)...
yep... you're logic is flawless... let's keep encouraging the mediocrity because we can save some funds in the cap.

As an alternative we could just, you know, recruit better players into those two squad spots.

Recruit better players how? By paying everyone $30k less than teams using the marquee and outside cap provisions? Bravo, MFKS v2.

Well done on following logic.

[Jeterpool]

As an alternative we could just, you know, recruit better players into those two squad spots.

Are you the guy in this week's David Squires Cartoon?

http://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1404&d=1488422911

http://www.newcastlefootball.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1405&d=1488422911

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/mar/01/david-squires-on-australian-clubs-in-the-asian-champions-league

[Wilso8948]

I can sort of see both sides of the argument however many mentions regarding this spending is outside the cap however no one has mentioned that Mr Lee would most likely have an overall squad budget to work to as well..

[The Dunster]

People do realise it is Scott Miller's new club that Hoole is looking to sign with ?

[Grimario]

I can sort of see both sides of the argument however many mentions regarding this spending is outside the cap however no one has mentioned that Mr Lee would most likely have an overall squad budget to work to as well..

Yeah, the argument I am making is very much around WHY other clubs have much better squads. Someone like Broxham has been at MV since he started, would almost definitely be getting paid out of the loyalty amount and then the rest of his wages that would be inside the cap for chumps like us, spent on improving the rest of the squad. Throw in two marquees and suddenly the gap grows. And if we aren't going to have a back up GK and versatile mid/def as PART of that outside the cap spend (because they are the only ones who qualify for it), then they aren't even worth discussing as options, IMO.

[monz6]

Bring David carney home

[Jeterpool]

Bring David carney home

He already went home

[StannyCFCJET]

Bring David carney home

He loves training with the socceroos too much

[Jeterpool]

He loves training with the socceroos too much

:rof:

[Guerny]

Yeah, the argument I am making is very much around WHY other clubs have much better squads. Someone like Broxham has been at MV since he started, would almost definitely be getting paid out of the loyalty amount and then the rest of his wages that would be inside the cap for chumps like us, spent on improving the rest of the squad. Throw in two marquees and suddenly the gap grows. And if we aren't going to have a back up GK and versatile mid/def as PART of that outside the cap spend (because they are the only ones who qualify for it), then they aren't even worth discussing as options, IMO.

I understand what your saying, and i agree a couple of marquees outside the cap would definitely see us better able to compete wage wise with other clubs.

I just don't agree that the marginal cap saving advantage that re-signing these two players (who should be on min wage) allows, outweighs the downside of bringing down the overall quality of the squad by encouraging these mediocre signings.

If we did get a couple of quality marquees and ALSO stopped paying overs for the players that wouldn't get a run at another club... then we're onto something.

[Grimario]

I understand what your saying, and i agree a couple of marquees outside the cap would definitely see us better able to compete wage wise with other clubs.

I just don't agree that the marginal cap saving advantage that re-signing these two players (who should be on min wage) allows, outweighs the downside of bringing down the overall quality of the squad by encouraging these mediocre signings.

If we did get a couple of quality marquees and ALSO stopped paying overs for the players that wouldn't get a run at another club... then we're onto something.

You consider a 300k saving in the cap as marginal?

Also, you talk about BK and BK as if they are two players that are of Sam Gallagher or John Welsh standard. They are both exactly the type of players that a Melbourne or Sydney would keep around as serviceable squad depth.

[Jeterpool]

You consider a 300k saving in the cap as marginal?

Also, you talk about BK and BK as if they are two players that are of Sam Gallagher or John Welsh standard. They are both exactly the type of players that a Melbourne or Sydney would keep around as serviceable squad depth.

I think Kantarovski has been quite reasonable this year. He started well in the first few weeks while Poljak was injured and kept him on the bench until he was forced to CB. Last weekend I thought he hit the ground running.

He's undoubtably got injury issues, which must be considered if he is re-signed - perhaps incentive contract based on appearances.

As it stands, if we want to take advantage of this exemption, Kanta and BK are the only two who fit the critera.

I think whoever said earlier that it depends on what Lee budgets outside the cap spend will be a massive influence. James Gardiner tweeted yesterday that the Jets expect to lose $2 million this year. If they have, say, $500,000 allocated will we spend it all on a marquee (leaving the cap for 22 players) or on the 2 long serving players and an NPL player (leaving the cap for 20 players). Spending it on the 3 players boosts squad depth and as Grimario has repeatedly stated allows a greater amount, on average, to be spent per player.

[The Dunster]

So is it ok to boo Hoole whenever he gets near the ball now ? I mean the seasons practically over now without much hope of being in the finals. Seems only fair we take out our frustrations out on Hoole [Benedict Arnold]

[WolfMan]

People do realise it is Scott Miller's new club that Hoole is looking to sign with ?

Who he never played under. EDIT - except for pre-season .What is your point here?

[The Dunster]

Who he never played under. What is your point here?

Sorry, I thought Hoole signed when Miller was coach. The Telegraph even had Miller commenting about him signing with the Jets from Sydney FC

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league/newcastle-jets-confirm-signing-of-andrew-hoole/news-story/ca76e02420dc60a43c0eb266f174a2d7

[WolfMan]

So is it ok to boo Hoole whenever he gets near the ball now ? I mean the seasons practically over now without much hope of being in the finals. Seems only fair we take out our frustrations out on Hoole [Benedict Arnold]

I'm reading sarcasm here, at least I hope so.

The 1 year deal we signed Hoole to was perfect. He flops as I guess most of us expected - no big deal. As it goes, he's started to hit his straps, albeit not with the greatest consistency, and we had hopes of extending his stay.

The bloke might be known as a bit of a silly billy sometimes, but fair play if he feels he is up for an overseas stint

[WolfMan]

Sorry, I thought Hoole signed when Miller was coach

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league/newcastle-jets-confirm-signing-of-andrew-hoole/news-story/ca76e02420dc60a43c0eb266f174a2d7
Yeh I added the pre-season part afterward, my bad. Point taken, I knew there was one I just didn't see it at first. Cheers

[Jeterpool]

Sorry, I thought Hoole signed when Miller was coach. The Telegraph even had Miller commenting about him signing with the Jets from Sydney FC

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league/newcastle-jets-confirm-signing-of-andrew-hoole/news-story/ca76e02420dc60a43c0eb266f174a2d7

Miller did FFA cup. Hoole did play under him

[StannyCFCJET]

If Hoole goes overseas hell get a shock of how below standard he is atm and I can see him returning to the aleague in a few years

[Grimario]

If Hoole goes overseas hell get a shock of how below standard he is atm and I can see him returning to the aleague in a few years

Depends where he goes. He's not going to cut it in any of the big leagues but if he ends up in Norway or Denmark, I don't think he will struggle as badly.

[StannyCFCJET]

Depends where he goes. He's not going to cut it in any of the big leagues but if he ends up in Norway or Denmark, I don't think he will struggle as badly.

He obviously thinks he's better then he is. Hopefully he gets some humble pie when he gets overseas

[Grimario]

He obviously thinks he's better then he is. Hopefully he gets some humble pie when he gets overseas

Players of similar caliber are earning more money in Europe... why wouldn't he go for that cash, regardless of how good he is?

[StannyCFCJET]

Players of similar caliber are earning more money in Europe... why wouldn't he go for that cash, regardless of how good he is?

Can we honestly say from what weve seen this season Hoole is any better than aleague standard?

[Grimario]

Can we honestly say from what weve seen this season Hoole is any better than aleague standard?

I think you're grossly over estimating the quality in some of the European leagues he's been linked with.

[StannyCFCJET]

I think you're grossly over estimating the quality in some of the European leagues he's been linked with.

I probably am and are those league your thinking of better then Aleague standard??

[Jetmaster]

Hoole is making the same mistake as Taggart - getting ahead of himself and going a season too early.

[The Dunster]

Hoole is making the same mistake as Taggart - getting ahead of himself and going a season too early.

Could also be a case of them going ten years too late as well. They may have done better playing youth football in Europe rather than in Australia.

[Pico]

How a critical mass of decision makers gravitated to one club and all came to the comfortable decision that Mullen deserves a new contract, it's unbelievable, he's a hell of a lucky below average pine warmer, time to go grab some lottery tickets daniel!

well they can't be surprised when people stop turning up, because there is lack of ambition then there's not even ****ing bothering to try and improve.

He's not good enough in his chosen position and is worse at RB, but typical jets let's give him another contract, they should have just let this abortion fade into history after Tinkler if this is the best they can come up with. The club has been turned into a legit training base for Chinese footballers, that's the extent of ledman groups displayed interest so far and I fear that's the limit

[Jetmaster]

Could also be a case of them going ten years too late as well. They may have done better playing youth football in Europe rather than in Australia.

Actually that is a fair point.

Craig Johnston, Harry Kewelll, Tim Cahill were kids with the balls to leave their mummies and go over there and live the dream.

[The Dunster]

Actually that is a fair point.

Craig Johnston, Harry Kewelll, Tim Cahill were kids with the balls to leave their mummies and go over there and live the dream.

It toughens them up and in many ways creates a passion / desire to be the best which is usually missing in kids that have been rewarded financially before they actually achieve anything. You even see it a local level now where kids are getting paid or given endorsements from clubs long before they really do anything of note. It then becomes a case of them feeling entitled regardless of their lack of achievements. Bottom line, you can make a lot of money from football these days even if you are shit.
THe NPL players today make more money in real terms than the majority of NSL players did in the 70's and 80's, and 90's. And yet those NSL players were good enough for Socceroo call ups and even offers from overseas clubs.
Hence, there's just not a lot of incentive to get to the next level now and you also get kids like Hoole who are clueless about the gap between here and Europe.
And these Centres of excellence / elite Jets type programs are only making it worse.
People like Kevin Keegan are quite vocal that these sorts of things are what has ruined English football.

[The Dunster]

How a critical mass of decision makers gravitated to one club and all came to the comfortable decision that Mullen deserves a new contract, it's unbelievable, he's a hell of a lucky below average pine warmer, time to go grab some lottery tickets daniel!

well they can't be surprised when people stop turning up, because there is lack of ambition then there's not even ****ing bothering to try and improve.

He's not good enough in his chosen position and is worse at RB, but typical jets let's give him another contract, they should have just let this abortion fade into history after Tinkler if this is the best they can come up with. The club has been turned into a legit training base for Chinese footballers, that's the extent of ledman groups displayed interest so far and I fear that's the limit

Lack of ambition as you say should be the clubs motto.

[Wilso8948]

Whilst I agree with most people's points here regarding player movement to Europe and getting prepared from a young age, I still think it's a little ironic that most are rubbishing a young bloke for backing himself come season's end to try his luck overseas..

[halo se7en]

Whilst I agree with most people's points here regarding player movement to Europe and getting prepared from a young age, I still think it's a little ironic that most are rubbishing a young bloke for backing himself come season's end to try his luck overseas..

If someone can't consistently stand out week in week out for just one season in the a-league though, isn't that saying something? Taggart was golden boot and struggled, Birighitti had a brilliant season for us and has disappeared. I'm sure we could rattle off another 10-20 players who have performed better than Hoole and done 0 overseas.

[Grimario]

If someone can't consistently stand out week in week out for just one season in the a-league though, isn't that saying something? Taggart was golden boot and struggled, Birighitti had a brilliant season for us and has disappeared. I'm sure we could rattle off another 10-20 players who have performed better than Hoole and done 0 overseas.

He's going to dud Scando leagues where only the top teams are any good. Some of the teams at the bottom of those divisions are shite.

[halo se7en]

He's going to dud Scando leagues where only the top teams are any good. Some of the teams at the bottom of those divisions are shite.

So even less excuse if/when he doesn't set the league alight.

[Jeterpool]

Whilst I agree with most people's points here regarding player movement to Europe and getting prepared from a young age, I still think it's a little ironic that most are rubbishing a young bloke for backing himself come season's end to try his luck overseas..

That's not how I see the issue is being portrayed, however. I think Hoole is being painted as the bad guy who is turning his back on his hometown team, the team who gave him a lifeline from Sydney, because he doesn't want to be limited because of a minimum transfer fee that is perceived to be too high.

If he wants to go overseas, best of luck to him. I genuinely wish him all the best and it would be great to see a Newcastle player plying his trade overseas. What a success for the region.

It's just a shame the club will not receive any benefit through a possible transfer fee (which even if it is the amount quoted I don't think is excessive).

[Jeterpool]

If someone can't consistently stand out week in week out for just one season in the a-league though, isn't that saying something? Taggart was golden boot and struggled, Birighitti had a brilliant season for us and has disappeared. I'm sure we could rattle off another 10-20 players who have performed better than Hoole and done 0 overseas.

Tried to do that on the podcast last night.

[WolfMan]

If someone can't consistently stand out week in week out for just one season in the a-league though, isn't that saying something? Taggart was golden boot and struggled, Birighitti had a brilliant season for us and has disappeared. I'm sure we could rattle off another 10-20 players who have performed better than Hoole and done 0 overseas.

RE: Birraz, I'm pretty confident he knew he would be warming the pine at best with his move to Swansea. I think it was more about the exposure to overseas coaching etc.

In a few years time I can see him being a standout in the Championship where he is loaned/sold.

[Jetmaster]

Maybe Hoole will go to Spurs where his dad played...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c3/62/f1/c362f13cdef40db31997acd5cee09e77.jpg

[halo se7en]

RE: Birraz, I'm pretty confident he knew he would be warming the pine at best with his move to Swansea. I think it was more about the exposure to overseas coaching etc.

In a few years time I can see him being a standout in the Championship where he is loaned/sold.

If that's what he wanted then fair enough. I just think some of these guys are on the fringe of the Socceroos and possibly throw those chances away.

[parksey]

It toughens them up and in many ways creates a passion / desire to be the best which is usually missing in kids that have been rewarded financially before they actually achieve anything. You even see it a local level now where kids are getting paid or given endorsements from clubs long before they really do anything of note. It then becomes a case of them feeling entitled regardless of their lack of achievements. Bottom line, you can make a lot of money from football these days even if you are shit.
THe NPL players today make more money in real terms than the majority of NSL players did in the 70's and 80's, and 90's. And yet those NSL players were good enough for Socceroo call ups and even offers from overseas clubs.
Hence, there's just not a lot of incentive to get to the next level now and you also get kids like Hoole who are clueless about the gap between here and Europe.
And these Centres of excellence / elite Jets type programs are only making it worse.
People like Kevin Keegan are quite vocal that these sorts of things are what has ruined English football.

Obviously kids coming through the academies big European leagues are going to have better coaching/resources than here, but we should be moving away from sending our kids young. That's what the A-League is here for.

[RAM]

Obviously kids coming through the academies big European leagues are going to have better coaching/resources than here, but we should be moving away from sending our kids young. That's what the A-League is here for.

Absolutely.

We definitely don't want our kids getting the best coaching in a far more competitive environment. Much better for them to plateau and stagnate here before heading over to Europe to warm the pine for a season or two and then return home as faux marquees.

[parksey]

Absolutely.

We definitely don't want our kids getting the best coaching in a far more competitive environment. Much better for them to plateau and stagnate here before heading over to Europe to warm the pine for a season or two and then return home as faux marquees.

Um no we should be making sure they have the best possible coaching here to both make our league stronger and create players who can go on to play in the top leagues.

[Bremsstrahlung]

People only leave for greener pastures.
Recently I think we have kept a lot of players who previously would've headed overseas. Ange and his efforts to pick a league players and regularly playing players is having a positive effect.
But that being said, the coaching is much better in some leagues than we have here, and we probably have better coaching than other leagues. It's all about what the player wants.

[The Dunster]

Obviously kids coming through the academies big European leagues are going to have better coaching/resources than here, but we should be moving away from sending our kids young. That's what the A-League is here for.

Why ? it's failed for over ten years. It's not the coaching that's the main issue - it's the fact that the incentive to be the best is not as strong as it used to be in players back in the NSL days.

Players now seek a lifestyle from football - being the best and representing your country is only an afterthought.

[hawk]

Whilst I agree with most people's points here regarding player movement to Europe and getting prepared from a young age, I still think it's a little ironic that most are rubbishing a young bloke for backing himself come season's end to try his luck overseas..

Most rubbishing? Are you sure more than 50% think this.

I think anyone should step up and have a go. IF, he was going to make it he defo would/should have gone long ago. BUT, if he does get a couple of years dough out of it why not. His deficiencies will show up big time though.

[hawk]

Why ? it's failed for over ten years. It's not the coaching that's the main issue - it's the fact that the incentive to be the best is not as strong as it used to be in players back in the NSL days.

Players now seek a lifestyle from football - being the best and representing your country is only an afterthought.

Maybe 2 years in the HAL at 16-17 yo might get you o/s.

[RAM]

Um no we should be making sure they have the best possible coaching here to both make our league stronger and create players who can go on to play in the top leagues.

We don't have the coaches to do this....we have Mums and Dads mostly coaching kids who have NFI about the game and probably follow other sports. Then you have a bottom up funding model that gives nothing to the grassroots.

Kids with a bit of quality just get sucked in to these dodgy academies with the parents paying overs for dodgy links to overseas clubs. Then you have the NYL which is a complete cluster**** and a top flight league limited in terms of clubs with most first XIs half filled with foreigners.

[Tommyjet]

So for those that haven't heard or watched the telecast, cockerill alluded that McKinna and lee are headed to chile to nut out a partnership with one of the top division clubs. Likely to lead to one of our visa spots being a Chilean obviously.

[Wilso8948]

So for those that haven't heard or watched the telecast, cockerill alluded that McKinna and lee are headed to chile to nut out a partnership with one of the top division clubs. Likely to lead to one of our visa spots being a Chilean obviously.

I'm all for a good partnership but we will get their worst players. Not their best.

[MFKS]

I'm all for a good partnership but we will get their worst players. Not their best.

The worst Chilean Premier League player is definitely better than the shit ****s we have

[6ft11]

The worst Chilean Premier League player is definitely better than the shit ****s we have

"The worst Chilean Premier League coach/manager is definitely better than the shit **** we have"

[Jeterpool]

So, two weeks before our next game. Will the team be taking the opportunity to go away for a training camp for the final push to claim 15 points from the last 5 games?

I hope we work our defence. And our attack. And our mongrel.

[StannyCFCJET]

So, two weeks before our next game. Will the team be taking the opportunity to go away for a training camp for the final push to claim 15 points from the last 5 games?

I hope we work our defence. And our attack. And our mongrel.

two weeks what?

[Wilso8948]

two weeks what?

Split round

[StannyCFCJET]

Split round

To help the ACL teams?

[Jeterpool]

To help the ACL teams?

Yes. After their chances of qualifying for the next round have taken a massive hit.

[StannyCFCJET]

Oh well two weeks for Mullen and Kanta to further cement their starting roles with strong training performances

[MFKS]

Yes. After their chances of qualifying for the next round have taken a massive hit.

Complete and utter bullshit

It more down to the soft arse ****s in this country not being able to play weekend midweek weekend

That the issue
Have a squad of 23 and it high time these useless ****ing coaches learner to rotate their squads like any club balancing League Cup and Euro commitments does in Europe

Like FFS it an extra 6 midweek games during the season FFS

[Jeterpool]

Complete and utter bullshit

It more down to the soft arse ****s in this country not being able to play weekend midweek weekend

That the issue
Have a squad of 23 and it high time these useless ****ing coaches learner to rotate their squads like any club balancing League Cup and Euro commitments does in Europe

Like FFS it an extra 6 midweek games during the season FFS

But Member, the media say it's a problem. Why would they lie to us?

[Grimario]

Complete and utter bullshit

It more down to the soft arse ****s in this country not being able to play weekend midweek weekend

That the issue
Have a squad of 23 and it high time these useless ****ing coaches learner to rotate their squads like any club balancing League Cup and Euro commitments does in Europe

Like FFS it an extra 6 midweek games during the season FFS

You mean those leagues where you can actually spend money on the squad players and not have to fill it with a bunch of trash and youth?
You mean those leagues where the longest and rarest trip is about the same as a flight to Japan, nevermind the extra 4-5 hours to Middle East?
You mean those leagues where, regardless of where you travel, it's still the same season?


Yeah, **** those clubs and their massive operating budgets, games moved to earlier/later kick offs by an FA that actually gives a shit about them and all the shit they have to put up with.

[Nou Camp]

You mean those leagues where you can actually spend money on the squad players and not have to fill it with a bunch of trash and youth?
You mean those leagues where the longest and rarest trip is about the same as a flight to Japan, nevermind the extra 4-5 hours to Middle East?
You mean those leagues where, regardless of where you travel, it's still the same season?


Yeah, **** those clubs and their massive operating budgets, games moved to earlier/later kick offs by an FA that actually gives a shit about them and all the shit they have to put up with.

unibet - bet better

[Wilso8948]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/03/07/jets-hoping-price-right-demand-odonovan

After odonavan
Hoole wants to come back if he realises he's ****ed up. Griffith says might not be possible
Kokko to see out second year
Boogard to see out third

[hawk]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/03/07/jets-hoping-price-right-demand-odonovan

After odonavan


youd have to take him

[Jetmaster]

Now I don't usually fawn over Griff as much as some but....


While the Jets want to bring 0'Donavan in, they are resigned to losing off-contract attacking midfielder Andrew Hoole, who will head to Europe in search of a club in June.

The 23 year old wants to keep the door open at the Jets though should an offer not be forthcoming.

However Griffiths warned there were no guarantees for a player he believes is "one or two years" away from being ready to try his luck overseas.

"We are in position where we are constantly looking for players to fill the void (when he goes) and that may be unfortunate (for him) because we may already have a replacement (should he want to return)," he explained.

"I have a lot of respect for him to go over there and not have anything back here ... it's a big decision.

"He has the balls to do that and is backing himself. But if we recruit a similar player there might not be a position here for him.

"We rate him highly but I don't think he's ready yet to go overseas.

"Five goals (this season) doesn't automatically mean you're good enough to do that. I'd like to see him establish himself first.

"That's just my personal opinion and I really hope he proves me wrong.

Griffiths said his own experiences as player taught him that it takes more than just ability on the pitch to make a successful move to an overseas club.

"I know what it's like over there (from spells in England, Japan, Switzerland and China)," he said.

"You can have all the ability in the world but you have to be mentally tough.

"The A-League is a walk in the park by comparison."

:wub::wub::wub:

It's like telling your missus "I just want to get away for a while and try someone else - if it doesn't work you just keep it warm for me and I'll come back".

[Jeterpool]

It's a great line in the article and sums up my thoughts on the whole matter. It's very matter-of-fact.

What I found interesting was the lines about Kokko seeing out the second year of his contract but also not releasing Boogaard. I'd not heard any rumours of the sort?! It was out of teh blue for me.

[Jetmaster]

It could be there has been some in house friction that both Kokko (we did know about) and Boogs have responded to positively in managements eyes.

The good thing is it is being played out behind closed doors.

[Jeterpool]

I don't know how we would cover his position - perhaps with Clut or Nordstrand, but what would people think about trying Andrew Nabbout through the middle? I think he has the finishing to be a central striker and his pace would cause trouble.

[Nou Camp]

I think he would struggle being up there on his own but could be effective if we played 2 upfront with someone to run off

[Macca]

Not sure if he has the movement or game smarts to pull it off, I think he gains a lot from the big spaces he is afforded out wide. But could be worth a try.

[RAM]

I don't know how we would cover his position - perhaps with Clut or Nordstrand, but what would people think about trying Andrew Nabbout through the middle? I think he has the finishing to be a central striker and his pace would cause trouble.

I would always prefer to have a winger like Nabbout playing to his strengths - isolating defenders out wide and running at people - not spraying passes from the middle.

[Jeterpool]

I would always prefer to have a winger like Nabbout playing to his strengths - isolating defenders out wide and running at people - not spraying passes from the middle.

that's a good point. Just one of the ponderings I've had, I guess.

[Grimario]

I would always prefer to have a winger like Nabbout playing to his strengths - isolating defenders out wide and running at people - not spraying passes from the middle.

It's a good point but when you have a manager who plays people out of position often, it's hard not to think outside the box.

[The Dunster]

It's a good point but when you have a manager who plays people out of position often, it's hard not to think outside the box.

Can you name the Jets manager that didn't play people out of position ? I mean it's a bit rough blaming Jones when most clubs do it and it's probably due to limited squads numbers. And in the case of the Jets our unusually high injury toll probably exacerbates the issue.

[Grimario]

Can you name the Jets manager that didn't play people out of position ? I mean it's a bit rough blaming Jones when most clubs do it and it's probably due to limited squads numbers. And in the case of the Jets our unusually high injury toll probably exacerbates the issue.

I wasn't blaming Jones. I was suggesting as you said.... we have always had a manager who played out of position players, so why shouldn't fans start thinking the same?

[pv4]

Can you name the Jets manager that didn't play people out of position ?

TBH I found one of Scott Miller's managerial strengths was playing players to their positions, and known capabilites (capabilities being a huge one). I think I liked Miller so much because he was the inverse of GVE.

[The Dunster]

TBH I found one of Scott Miller's managerial strengths was playing players to their positions, and known capabilites (capabilities being a huge one). I think I liked Miller so much because he was the inverse of GVE.

What positions ? He parked the bus 90% of the time.

[pv4]

What positions ? He parked the bus 90% of the time.

Which was the capabilites of the squad he had to work with

[plague]

What positions ? He parked the bus 90% of the time.

The other 10% was giving it to Triff, who then scored, but didn't assist anyone, so we fired his unassisting ass.

[steve136]

The other 10% was giving it to Triff, who then scored, but didn't assist anyone, so we fired his unassisting ass.

Ahh Triff. The penalty taker specialist :rof:

[Wilso8948]

The other 10% was giving it to Triff, who then scored, but didn't assist anyone, so we fired his unassisting ass.

Bring back Triff. Penalties or not. Only stat that matters. ****ing love the trif. And his mrs

[Jetmaster]

The other 10% was giving it to Triff, who then scored, but didn't assist anyone, so we fired his unassisting ass.

Was tossed cos Griff said so.....I quote from the Griffstream podcast, "why would you re-sign him"?

But yes, hawt wifey.

http://images2.kurir.rs/slika-724x489/intervju-milos-trifunovic-uz-mariju-mi-je-laksi-zivot-u-uzbekistanu-1328585176-84676.jpg

[Wilso8948]

Clear as day. Griff bagged his mrs. Next. Move along.

[plague]

Ahh Triff. The penalty taker specialist :rof:

do they count for less?

[steve136]

do they count for less?

No

[StannyCFCJET]

Ahh Triff. The penalty taker specialist :rof:

Ahh Triff they guy who missed so many open field chances and constantly slowed down our attack

[MFKS]

Triff


Another one of Miller's failings

[Jeterpool]

Triff

A surname that nobody remembers how to spell

[Jetmaster]

"We're holding out for a hero"....a la....

1407

[Thomas477]

Triff

A surname that nobody remembers how to spell

Oi, Trifunovic.

[Frodo]

I'd take the Truffle over the blokes we have had playing up top this year. His 9 goals would have us in the 6 i reckon.

[Wilso8948]

I'd take the Truffle over the blokes we have had playing up top this year. His 9 goals would have us in the 6 i reckon.
here here

[Jeterpool]

Oi, Trifunovic.

Well googled :rof: :lulzturtle:

[plague]

I'd take the Truffle over the blokes we have had playing up top this year. His 9 goals would have us in the 6 i reckon.

would have had more goals too i reckon with the way the wingers and Nobby are playing.

[Thomas477]

Well googled :rof: :lulzturtle:

Didn't google. If I had, I would've put Miloš Trifunović

[leftrightout]

How long Ibini's contract at Sydney?
15th appearance off the bench this year, surely he would want to be the star of the team. He can do that here, just up the road.

[plague]

How long Ibini's contract at Sydney?
15th appearance off the bench this year, surely he would want to be the star of the team. He can do that here, just up the road.


Haha biggest ****ing no talent donkey since Matt Simon.


How many gypo ****s you blokes want on our sorry ass team?

[Wilso8948]

Na. Ibini is good.
He's on loan. Will go back to club Brugge

[plague]

Na. Ibini is good.
He's on loan. Will go back to club Brugge

so good that the team that took him for nothing from the team that didnt want him play the overwhelming majority of their games with him on the bench.

yeah, sounds like a real talent.

[StannyCFCJET]

so good that the team that took him for nothing from the team that didnt want him play the overwhelming majority of their games with him on the bench.

yeah, sounds like a real talent.

question is? is he better then most if not all of our attackers and the answer is YES

[steve136]

question is? is he better then most if not all of our attackers and the answer is YES

Agreed. Better than all of them, and it's not even close.

[Wilso8948]

I love football because this is a game which is like a war on ground.

This is the only bloke making any sense round here

[plague]

some of you blokes out here celebrating getting herpes because it's not as bad as aids.

[Wilso8948]

some of you blokes out here celebrating getting herpes because it's not as bad as aids.
Please. Ibini shits all over our squad. He also would be in the top players of the team running away in first. Holosko and Bobo have kept him from starting and every time he's come on has showed he has progressed since leaving for Europe. He would come here and kill it. End of

[StannyCFCJET]

Please. Ibini shits all over our squad. He also would be in the top players of the team running away in first. Holosko and Bobo have kept him from starting and every time he's come on has showed he has progressed since leaving for Europe. He would come here and kill it. End of

but he would never come here cause Ibini is smart

[MFKS]

but he would never come here cause Ibini is smart

He played for the Gypos

So he ain't that ****ing smart

[StannyCFCJET]

He played for the Gypos

So he ain't that ****ing smart

Lets see if your laughing when the gypos finish above us

[plague]

Please. Ibini shits all over our squad. He also would be in the top players of the team running away in first.

Great pen last night.
Nabbout > Ibini.
Never seen him save a pen either.
BK > Ibini.
Never seen him give it to a gypo.
Hoff > Ibini.

He's better than Boogaard and Rhyhann Grant though so I'll give you that.

[plague]

Lets see if your laughing when the gypos finish above us

You think the Jets with Ibini finish any better?

Geez Louise.

[StannyCFCJET]

You think the Jets with Ibini finish any better?

Geez Louise.

Yep he cause at least he can beat players and score solo goals

[sorefootballer]

We need someone/multiple people better than ibini

[StannyCFCJET]

We need someone/multiple people better than ibini

We need better then most of our sqauad

[sorefootballer]

Ledman needs to open his man bag for next season.... I believe he will. Why would a rich ****er buy a team and not want to see the spoils? It would be in his interests if the "Newcastle Ledman jets" splashed across the interweb in China after winning or atleast contesting the final series. The ****er will produce the goods

[sorefootballer]

Agree stanny

[lquiquer]

He played for the Gypos

So he ain't that ****ing smart

Yeah and that's why signing O'Caravan would be bad news... #showAmbitions

[The Dunster]

Yep he cause at least he can beat players and score solo goals

He'd be on Marquee wages at the Jets and he's also not have the surrounding players and structure he currently enjoys at Sydney FC - I'm with Plague on this one - I think he'd be a disaster and massive waste of significant coin we could better spend on someone else with more talent.

[The Dunster]

Ledman needs to open his man bag for next season.... I believe he will. Why would a rich ****er buy a team and not want to see the spoils? It would be in his interests if the "Newcastle Ledman jets" splashed across the interweb in China after winning or atleast contesting the final series. The ****er will produce the goods

It's not easy for Chinese investors to get a foot into the Australian market - buying a football team is a very cheap and efficient method for gaining access to other business opportunities in Australia. He can pretty much come to Australia as often as he likes now as he has a genuine reason - it also provides Mr Lee opportunities to network here as well..

So plenty of reasons.

Fortunately, I think he's probably the real deal and we will eventually get the team the city deserve / needs.

[turbojetfireV8]

Yeah and that's why signing O'Caravan would be bad news... #showAmbitions

O'Caravan would be a much better prospect than Ibini, O'Caravan is used to having to make his own opportunities and dropping back into defence, Ibini will go back after the loan spell unless Shitney convince Brugge to let him go, but in the meantime could someone buy him some black hair dye, cos that orange thing on the top of his head is deadset f*cking awful...

[plague]

It's as if you guys didn't even watch any of the Heskey era.

[MFKS]

It's not easy for Chinese investors to get a foot into the Australian market - buying a football team is a very cheap and efficient method for gaining access to other business opportunities in Australia. He can pretty much come to Australia as often as he likes now as he has a genuine reason - it also provides Mr Lee opportunities to network here as well..

So plenty of reasons.

Fortunately, I think he's probably the real deal and we will eventually get the team the city deserve / needs.

Yep I remember the days when some bloke from greater Newy area tried getting ius the team the city deserves needs.

Didn't all go to plan that.

Reality is forget how much money we losing or how many wins we getting under Jones this season

The most important thing at the club in the next 6 months will be how much investment Lee puts into dragging this shit club into the future.

We are behind our rivals in so many ways. If Lerman wants a successful club he needs to give the coach appropriate backing to sign the quality we need to improve

He has now had nearly 9 months having a look at the clubs strengths and weaknesses.

Time to start addressing them

I backing we do **** all

[plague]

Yep I remember the days when some bloke from greater Newy area tried getting ius the team the city deserves needs.

Didn't all go to plan that.

Reality is forget how much money we losing or how many wins we getting under Jones this season

The most important thing at the club in the next 6 months will be how much investment Lee puts into dragging this shit club into the future.

We are behind our rivals in so many ways. If Lerman wants a successful club he needs to give the coach appropriate backing to sign the quality we need to improve

He has now had nearly 9 months having a look at the clubs strengths and weaknesses.

Time to start addressing them

I backing we do **** all

Nah just sign Ibini and win it all apparently.

[StannyCFCJET]

Anyone who has watched training this week or is going to watch it, Is Mullen still traning at RB?

[evanhayes5]

Anyone who has watched training this week or is going to watch it, Is Mullen still traning at RB?

They didnt do any sort of tactical work from what I saw today was just passing drills, small sided games.

im gonna try and go before my class tomorrow and watch some of it.

[StannyCFCJET]

They didnt do any sort of tactical work from what I saw today was just passing drills, small sided games.

im gonna try and go before my class tomorrow and watch some of it.

cheers but they should spend all week working on defensive cohesion

[plague]

cheers but they should spend all week working on defensive cohesion

I think they do this in between the 'grit' and 'mongrel' sessions.

[halo se7en]

Anyone who has watched training this week or is going to watch it, Is Mullen still traning at RB?

Played up top, with Kanta in behind. Nabbout at LWB. Poljak right wing. City won't know what hit them.

[Wilso8948]

If Hoole goes. Make a play for Burns. Really is the finished product of Hoole anyway. Struggling for gametime at FC Tokyo and just cut from the Socceroos because of it. Marquee wages if it's needed.

[Jeterpool]

If Hoole goes. Make a play for Burns. Really is the finished product of Hoole anyway. Struggling for gametime at FC Tokyo and just cut from the Socceroos because of it. Marquee wages if it's needed.

This. Now is the time to be having the conversation with him.

I was saying the same thing last week.

[380]

If Hoole goes. Make a play for Burns. Really is the finished product of Hoole anyway. Struggling for gametime at FC Tokyo and just cut from the Socceroos because of it. Marquee wages if it's needed.

Yep yep

[evanhayes5]

Played up top, with Kanta in behind. Nabbout at LWB. Poljak right wing. City won't know what hit them.

Lol

I watched todays training.

Mullen was at right back and Johnny K at left back with boogs back into defence, rest of the team was the same. Not sure on Kokko and Morten though as they kept swapping.

[Tommyjet]

If Hoole goes. Make a play for Burns. Really is the finished product of Hoole anyway. Struggling for gametime at FC Tokyo and just cut from the Socceroos because of it. Marquee wages if it's needed.
I've been having this thought too

[Jeterpool]

Lol

I watched todays training.

Mullen was at right back and Johnny K at left back with boogs back into defence, rest of the team was the same. Not sure on Kokko and Morten though as they kept swapping.

*sigh*

:facepalm:

Cowburn - Boogaard - Jackson - Vujica (shock ****ing horror a left footed, trained left back)

That's nothing against Johnny K, by the way, but why pigeon hole the kid into his 6th position for the year when we have Vujica available.

[Wilso8948]

Whilst I'm a big fan of Vujica it would be a bit of a gamble. Coming back from injury and his defending often leaves a lot to be desired. Bit of risk in whatever way Jones goes.

[halo se7en]

Whilst I'm a big fan of Vujica it would be a bit of a gamble. Coming back from injury and his defending often leaves a lot to be desired. Bit of risk in whatever way Jones goes.

Not much to lose at this point. Throw Vujica back in and let him get game time under his belt.

[Wilso8948]

Not much to lose at this point. Throw Vujica back in and let him get game time under his belt.

Can see this happening if we are completely out of finals running

[Grimario]

Can see this happening if we are completely out of finals running

Brymora and Sawyer to get a run too? Maybe Pierce whatever his name is in goals.

[Jetmaster]

It just looks a bit like JK is Jonesy's poster boy - that player a coach just has to fit into the team no matter what.

A bit like Couscous and Brodie Mooy.

[MFKS]

Can see this happening if we are completely out of finals running

Should start this stuff in Rd 1 then

[StannyCFCJET]

If Hoole goes. Make a play for Burns. Really is the finished product of Hoole anyway. Struggling for gametime at FC Tokyo and just cut from the Socceroos because of it. Marquee wages if it's needed.

*When Hoole goes (hopefully for good)

[StannyCFCJET]

Whilst I'm a big fan of Vujica it would be a bit of a gamble. Coming back from injury and his defending often leaves a lot to be desired. Bit of risk in whatever way Jones goes.

Bigger risk then Mullen at Rb??

[StannyCFCJET]

Also if Mullen keeps getting picked and Jones thinks he's doing well or whatever then were even more ****ed then i thought

[Wilso8948]

Bigger risk then Mullen at Rb??

We get it. You think he's shit.

[Jeterpool]

We get it. You think he's shit.

*copy* *paste* for Stanny's thoughts on most of the squad, the coach, the referee, the ballboy, any non-chelsea team

[StannyCFCJET]

We get it. You think he's shit.

Yeah he's shit and he's costing us goals which is harming our small chance of making finals which i assume we all want??

[Frodo]

Yeah he's shit and he's costing us goals


You should just make this your signature and you won't even need to type anymore. Just hit the space bar and we will know that you think everyone is s%^t. You are a poet with words Stanny and we are all the better for reading your posts.:thumbsup:


Vujica is good enough to play LB for us. Play Jackson in the middle and he will help cover defensively. Cowburn must have fallen out of favour pretty good tho, i honestly forget he is on our books these days.


Anyone else think Jones will just try to pick older/safer players across the park in the hopes of saving his job?

[StannyCFCJET]

You should just make this your signature and you won't even need to type anymore. Just hit the space bar and we will know that you think everyone is s%^t. You are a poet with words Stanny and we are all the better for reading your posts.:thumbsup:


Vujica is good enough to play LB for us. Play Jackson in the middle and he will help cover defensively. Cowburn must have fallen out of favour pretty good tho, i honestly forget he is on our books these days.


Anyone else think Jones will just try to pick older/safer players across the park in the hopes of saving his job?

I do say it all the time and i gather its annoying but we all see what Mullen is doing everyweek so what else can we say bout him. Attention MR jones Hoff or cowburn to RB and cowburn or Vujica to LB plz

[MFKS]

I do say it all the time and i gather its annoying but we all see what Mullen is doing everyweek so what else can we say bout him. Attention MR jones Hoff or cowburn to RB and cowburn or Vujica to LB plz

Mullin is shit

But he isn't the cause of our problems Stannny

Also you may not be old enough to remember but he was a right back for years at Adelaide

It was us dumb ****s who put him in at CD

So stop saying he ain't a right back

Because he is

Just a shit one

[Jeterpool]

Mullin is shit

But he isn't the cause of our problems Stannny

Also you may not be old enough to remember but he was a right back for years at Adelaide

It was us dumb ****s who put him in at CD

So stop saying he ain't a right back

Because he is

Just a shit one

He played both positions for WSW too.

[Grimario]

He was shit for them as well.

It's almost like managers go "this bloke is slow as **** and can't cross - probably make a better centre back".

[StannyCFCJET]

Mullin is shit

But he isn't the cause of our problems Stannny

Also you may not be old enough to remember but he was a right back for years at Adelaide

It was us dumb ****s who put him in at CD

So stop saying he ain't a right back

Because he is

Just a shit one

Who cares what he did or played in the past. He hasnt played anywhere near acceptable for weeks and is still getting picked whereas Cowburn just got picked for a young socceroos camp in spain but cant get a start for the jets

[MFKS]

Who cares what he did or played in the past. He hasnt played anywhere near acceptable for weeks and is still getting picked whereas Cowburn just got picked for a young socceroos camp in spain but cant get a start for the jets

FFS

Cowburn is not the answer either

He slower than Mullen FFS

Getting picked for the Young Socceroos isn't an achievement

Hoffman and Raheem Sterling played back in the day FFS


Hey I will agree with you Mullen is shit

But no way is he the cause of our downfall
Not even ****ing close

[StannyCFCJET]

FFS

Cowburn is not the answer either

He slower than Mullen FFS

Getting picked for the Young Socceroos isn't an achievement

Hoffman and Raheem Sterling played back in the day FFS


Hey I will agree with you Mullen is shit

But no way is he the cause of our downfall
Not even ****ing close

He's one of the reasons. Dropping him and Hoole is a goos start and we can go from there

[Jeterpool]

Reckon we can tempt Lahm outta retirement?

[Frodo]

FFS

Cowburn is not the answer either

He slower than Mullen FFS


I agree with you on this one Member. Cowburn isn't going to change things much at all.

Cowburn had a few decent games at RB last year, he isn't near the level of Hoffman (which isn't a compliment to either) but i feel like he is slightly better with the ball at his feet than Mullen though worse defensively. So he isn't better than Mullen, just different.

If Vujica is at LB than we can't afford to have Cowburn at RB just yet.



Mullen was playing as a defensive mid when he came here wasn't he? He'd moved in front of the back 4 at WSW but wasn't getting any game time so we bought him for his versatility. He does give us that, but he isn't the greatest with the ball at his feet and isn't the quickest bloke in the HAL either. Mullen isn't the cause of our inability to play football. I think our mentality is costing us more than individual performances.

[Frodo]

Reckon we can tempt Lahm outta retirement?


But we've got the Hoff, no one is bigger than the Hoff in Germany...

[StannyCFCJET]

I agree with you on this one Member. Cowburn isn't going to change things much at all.

Cowburn had a few decent games at RB last year, he isn't near the level of Hoffman (which isn't a compliment to either) but i feel like he is slightly better with the ball at his feet than Mullen though worse defensively. So he isn't better than Mullen, just different.

If Vujica is at LB than we can't afford to have Cowburn at RB just yet.



Mullen was playing as a defensive mid when he came here wasn't he? He'd moved in front of the back 4 at WSW but wasn't getting any game time so we bought him for his versatility. He does give us that, but he isn't the greatest with the ball at his feet and isn't the quickest bloke in the HAL either. Mullen isn't the cause of our inability to play football. I think our mentality is costing us more than individual performances.

Mullen was signed as a CB by Stubbins

[MFKS]

Mullen was signed as a CB by Stubbins

So based on Muppet signing this bloke means exactly what being that we are in agreement he had NFI ??

I struggle to see why you keep digging here

Mullen is a RB and has played many games at HAL level as one


Just because he isnt that good doesnt mean he aint a RB anymore

[StannyCFCJET]

So based on Muppet signing this bloke means exactly what being that we are in agreement he had NFI ??

I struggle to see why you keep digging here

Mullen is a RB and has played many games at HAL level as one


Just because he isnt that good doesnt mean he aint a RB anymore

I was answering Frodo's query calm down Member

[Thomas477]

Probably a controversial idea, but what about playing Hoole at RB? He's got the speed, started at RB on his debut, and most of all, he has the shooting for a defender too.

Chuck him there, frees up a spot for Leilei, Nordstrand, Brown or whoever else up front.

[turbojetfireV8]

Lowe has a few comments to make on JK and NC in the latest Herald Half Time http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4532773/herald-half-time-episode-22/?cs=2439

[Grimario]

Probably a controversial idea, but what about playing Hoole at RB? He's got the speed, started at RB on his debut, and most of all, he has the shooting for a defender too.

Chuck him there, frees up a spot for Leilei, Nordstrand, Brown or whoever else up front.

Terrible idea. When he loses the ball now, at least we have a RB behind him to kind of mop up.

[Mark325]

Probably a controversial idea, but what about playing Hoole at RB? He's got the speed, started at RB on his debut, and most of all, he has the shooting for a defender too.

Chuck him there, frees up a spot for Leilei, Nordstrand, Brown or whoever else up front.

Id love to go back and watch that game with him at RB against the roar I think it was, see the difference in who he is now compared to then

[Jeterpool]

Id love to go back and watch that game with him at RB against the roar I think it was, see the difference in who he is now compared to then

He's got a beard now

[Jetmaster]

He's got a beard now

And he had one three years ago - just peach fuzz though.

1409

[Jeterpool]

And he had one three years ago - just peach fuzz though.

1409

:lulzturtle:

[Hunter403]

That's not a beard!
1410

[StannyCFCJET]

Mullen RB Koutrombis LB with Vjuica on bench and Kanta Starting FMD were in trouble tonight