2016/17 Squad Thread

[Grimario]

If he isn't wanted they are responsible for keeping him on the books though.

Their choice to keep an unwanted player and not free up a squad spot to bring someone in who is wanted because they won't pay him out or are unable to move him on

Do you not understand how the salary cap works? Even if we get rid of him, he is still "on the books". It's not like he's someone useful that another club would happily pick up so we can come to a mutual agreement without impact.

[Jeterpool]

Do you not understand how the salary cap works? Even if we get rid of him, he is still "on the books". It's not like he's someone useful that another club would happily pick up so we can come to a mutual agreement without impact.

I read last year, and was also mentioned on I think a FoxSports podcast, that "paying a player out" wasn't included in the salary cap.

[Grimario]

I read last year, and was also mentioned on I think a FoxSports podcast, that "paying a player out" wasn't included in the salary cap.

It definitely is. Otherwise clubs could just bin off players whenever they wanted. What's the point in a salary cap?

[borat]

Not sure how the current management can be responsible for having Brennan on the books.

Where did I blame current management?

[borat]

It definitely is. Otherwise clubs could just bin off players whenever they wanted. What's the point in a salary cap?

By doing it in the offseason you can offset the salary in the following season/s....or something like that. Doesn't matter anyway while we can free up plenty of salary whenever we need it by shifting players to marquee.

[borat]

Do you not understand how the salary cap works? Even if we get rid of him, he is still "on the books". It's not like he's someone useful that another club would happily pick up so we can come to a mutual agreement without impact.

That's not right. We could pay Brennan the remainder of his contract right now and release him, freeing up a squad place.

Only limitation is managing your salary cap.

Member was right

[Jeterpool]

It definitely is. Otherwise clubs could just bin off players whenever they wanted. What's the point in a salary cap?

The PFA could clarify this, surely.

[Grimario]

That's not right. We could pay Brennan the remainder of his contract right now and release him, freeing up a squad place.

Only limitation is managing your salary cap.

Member was right

The money is still "on the books" you goose. That's my point. If we have done our usual thing of overpaying players and have **** all left in the cap, having his $55k on the books means we don't have $55k of space to pay someone else.


The PFA could clarify this, surely.

Have asked them and the FFA. I remember there was something in an article maybe last year about them definitely being part of the salary cap and it was something to do with WSW when they were trying to force Mullen and Saba out by making them train alone.

[borat]

The PFA could clarify this, surely.its definitely in the cap, it's just clubs have the ability to push that back to the following seasons cap to make it easier to manage.

Regardless, I doubt we are using the full cap and allowances anyway. 200k home grown player allowance + 200k loyalty player allowance + 80k salary cap banking for Carney + whatever we were under the cap last year in Salary Cap banking. Then 2 spare marquee positions. It's only the owner not coughing up what is a meagre amount.

[borat]

The money is still "on the books" you goose. That's my point. If we have done our usual thing of overpaying players and have **** all left in the cap, having his $55k on the books means we don't have $55k of space to pay someone else.
Show me any where the member said the money wasn't included in the cap???

So your "point" is that money spent is included in the salary cap........thanks for that. The world is a more knowledgeable place.

Well we have plenty of salary cap to spend, it's only an arbitrary budget placed upon the team by the owner that is holding us back. If we were somehow short 55k, which I doubt, you move Nordstrand or Kokko to marquee.

[borat]

Can't beleive you are forcing me to defend the member either.....I feel dirty

[WolfMan]

Well we have plenty of salary cap to spend, it's only an arbitrary budget placed upon the team by the owner that is holding us back. If we were somehow short 55k, which I doubt, you move Nordstrand or Kokko to marquee.

Do we have any player that would satisfy the FFA's ever-changing criteria for a marquee though?

And we'd be better off moving our more expensive players outside the cap. Nobby and Kokko are not the highest paid, as far as I'm aware.

[The Dunster]

Nobby and Kokko are not the highest paid, as far as I'm aware.

Ben Kennedy is on $650k a season + bonuses.:gent:

[The Camel]

Do we have any player that would satisfy the FFA's ever-changing criteria for a marquee though?

And we'd be better off moving our more expensive players outside the cap. Nobby and Kokko are not the highest paid, as far as I'm aware.

The only player that need's FFA approval now for Marquee is the 3rd "GuEST pLAYER" Timmy Cahill rule. The other two are basically just 'designated players' does not matter who it is.

[halo se7en]

Where did I blame current management?

You didn't blame current management but you made a comment about how we shouldn't stupidly sign 55k players to 2 year contracts, which was a daft comment since current management had 0 to do with the decision to sign Brennan to a 2yr contract in the first place. Basically they're left to deal with a situation created before they arrived.

[The Dunster]

The only player that need's FFA approval now for Marquee is the 3rd "GuEST pLAYER" Timmy Cahill rule. The other two are basically just 'designated players' does not matter who it is.

They should scrap the limit on foreign players and remove the salary cap. Because things at the Youth and Olympic level can't get any worse, and the national team itself is reliant upon a few ageing stars with pretty much nobody capable of filling the void when they retire.

Regulation has it's place but in this situation it's hard to justify.

[borat]

You didn't blame current management but you made a comment about how we shouldn't stupidly sign 55k players to 2 year contracts, which was a daft comment since current management had 0 to do with the decision to sign Brennan to a 2yr contract in the first place. Basically they're left to deal with a situation created before they arrived.
And what do you say of our current management signing players, such as Hoole/Nabbout/Clut, then leaving themselves without the squad places available for an u20 & Visa? Maybe they just can't count hey.

Is that the fault of past management or did they not know Brennan was signed for two years?

My point about signing Brennan for 2 years was that all clubs change coaches, CEO's and occasionally owners. Dealing with past decisions is common place, as is cutting unwanted players signed by previous managers/admin. If it's so vital to the success of the club to sign player x, when you don't have a squad position, you find a way to get it done. Our opposition seem to have no problems doing so.

[borat]

Do we have any player that would satisfy the FFA's ever-changing criteria for a marquee though?

And we'd be better off moving our more expensive players outside the cap. Nobby and Kokko are not the highest paid, as far as I'm aware.
Was just an example, although is a bit sad.
Boogs I am guessing.

[MFKS]

Do you not understand how the salary cap works? Even if we get rid of him, he is still "on the books". It's not like he's someone useful that another club would happily pick up so we can come to a mutual agreement without impact.

As i said it is the club who are responsible for him still being currently taking up one of our squad spots and they are the ones responsible for him still being here

Whether they have to pay out his salary or not is irrelevant. They dont want him yet are doing nothing to change that. The choice to pay him out and free up a squad spot is there

They choose not to take it so despite Stubbins being responsible for signing him for 2 years it is Millertime whom is ALLOWING him to stay here for the second year collect his cash and take up a squad spot where the club could pay him out and free up a squad spot to use

[Grimario]

Yeah, righto. Clearly Miller is the guy that holds the purse strings and permits spending outside the cap.

This place, ffs.

[Jetmaster]

Can't just tell someone to pack your bags and be on the next stage coach out of town.

Things take time - agents maybe talking to the club now about an exit strategy. It has to be negotiated with PFA input probably.

When it's done we hear "mutually agreed".

[Jeterpool]

Can't just tell someone to pack your bags and be on the next stage coach out of town.

Things take time - agents maybe talking to the club now about an exit strategy. It has to be negotiated with PFA input probably.

When it's done we hear "mutually agreed".

Beat me to it

[halo se7en]

As i said it is the club who are responsible for him still being currently taking up one of our squad spots and they are the ones responsible for him still being here

Whether they have to pay out his salary or not is irrelevant. They dont want him yet are doing nothing to change that. The choice to pay him out and free up a squad spot is there

They choose not to take it so despite Stubbins being responsible for signing him for 2 years it is Millertime whom is ALLOWING him to stay here for the second year collect his cash and take up a squad spot where the club could pay him out and free up a squad spot to use

And then we can all chastise the club for being unprofessional, unloyal, a basketcase, why would anyone want to come here when we don't honour contracts etc etc...

As usual, you and everyone else on this forum, myself included, has **** all idea what is happening behind the scenes.

[GazFish35]

I'm so glad I had a busy day at work and missed all this.

[hawk]

ah a salary cap debate Q&A style. Just needs an outraged audience ready to cry out about some welfare issue on east african ants, poor buggers.

salary cap only works for a few teams, the others spend all they want

[MFKS]

As I have said it is still Millertime decision he is collecting his cash with **** all chance of being used

The bloke has a budget under Ledman
Just as he had a budget under FFA

A little bit of creativity either last season or this season with our signings could have seen some of these unwanted players showed the door

The bloke would have been paid out so the club wouldn't have breached any contract
The club would still not have spent any extra money.

Just that an unwanted player would not be hanging around taking up a squad spot that could have been given to someone who has a future here.

As I said Millertime is responsible for anyone not wanted by him to be still here sucking the mango
He had options and chose to go other ways

[plague]

ah a salary cap debate Q&A style. Just needs an outraged audience ready to cry out about some welfare issue on east african ants, poor buggers.

salary cap only works for a few teams, the others spend all they want

I mean these blokes on this thread have clearly just cut and pasted the same posts from the Biraz Bk thread except changed the names. Better donuts than Nobbys carpark back in the old days.

If we'd have signed Steve Lustica then none of this would have happened.

Middleby asleep the wheel again.

[WolfMan]

Was just an example, although is a bit sad.
Boogs I am guessing.

We'll all find out once the player's salaries are made public. That's happening this season, yeh?

[hawk]

I mean these blokes on this thread have clearly just cut and pasted the same posts from the Biraz Bk thread except changed the names. Better donuts than Nobbys carpark back in the old days.

If we'd have signed Steve Lustica then none of this would have happened.

Middleby asleep the wheel again.

damn straight

[tomo]

I know im going to cop alot of sh*t from this, but...

Why all the hate on Brennan?
Im with everyone that his performances have been well below par, but how many chances has he had? 4, 5, if that? And about 10-20 mins a pop?
The blokes highlight reel is something to look at and although he hasnt lit up anything as yet, maybe its worth working with him and giving him some game time. To me, he's rock bottom in confidence, but he's well above Pavicevic.

BK has been here for however long and he probably struggles to tie his shoelaces!

Have any of u stepped up in grade and dominated? Id doubt it!
He's contracted for another year, lets see if he gets some game time and see how he goes, if he doesnt cut it this year, then bag him!

Everyone on here seens really quick to bag the first player that comes along, no wonder the jets cant get anywhere when no-one is willing to hive them some hope or chance!

[GazFish35]

I'm not sure people are hating on him. Most have just made the assumption he's one of three not wanted by the gaffer and are using him as an example of the need to cut players and how difficult it can be.


And then the issue of the mature age rookie came up.... And that's him.

[The Dunster]

Everyone on here seems really quick to bag the first player that comes along, no wonder the jets cant get anywhere when no-one is willing to give them some hope or chance!

Well I'm glad this is finally sorted out because all along I'd incorrectly assumed it was because our players were shit.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

I know im going to cop alot of sh*t from this, but...

Why all the hate on Brennan?
Im with everyone that his performances have been well below par, but how many chances has he had? 4, 5, if that? And about 10-20 mins a pop?
The blokes highlight reel is something to look at and although he hasnt lit up anything as yet, maybe its worth working with him and giving him some game time. To me, he's rock bottom in confidence, but he's well above Pavicevic.

BK has been here for however long and he probably struggles to tie his shoelaces!

Have any of u stepped up in grade and dominated? Id doubt it!
He's contracted for another year, lets see if he gets some game time and see how he goes, if he doesnt cut it this year, then bag him!

Everyone on here seens really quick to bag the first player that comes along, no wonder the jets cant get anywhere when no-one is willing to hive them some hope or chance!

I remember I went to the game in Brisbane, one of the few games he got on.

I remember Boogaard I think it was, maybe some one else, having to yell out at Brennan and tell him when to make a run, which he still didnt do (It was just a normal wingers run down the line). He looked liked a deer in the headlights when he got near the ball, and he was smiling after we lost.

[plague]

BK has been here for however long and he probably struggles to tie his shoelaces!


Everyone on here seens really quick to bag the first player that comes along, no wonder the jets cant get anywhere when no-one is willing to hive them some hope or chance!

I mean Tomo, brother, your fingers hadn't even cooled down from your scorching hot BK take that you've gone straight for the World Vision angle for us not to bag the players.

I mean, which players are getting bagged? ones like BK?

seriously theres an edit button down the bottom you've gotta check that stuff and liquid paper out the terrible bits.

cheers,
Plague.

[halo se7en]

I remember I went to the game in Brisbane, one of the few games he got on.

I remember Boogaard I think it was, maybe some one else, having to yell out at Brennan and tell him when to make a run, which he still didnt do (It was just a normal wingers run down the line). He looked liked a deer in the headlights when he got near the ball, and he was smiling after we lost.

I think that's Tomo's point.

I can't be arsed looking, but did he get some playing time in either of the games against CCM?

[Jeterpool]

He came on in the second half v CCM last game and against Perth the week before the Brisbane game.

[WolfMan]

If you can get down to training sometime, you can watch all players run around for 30+ minutes. More than enough time to make an informed judgement.

I understand not everyone can do this due to work etc.

[Jeterpool]

If you can get down to training sometime, you can watch all players run around for 30+ minutes. More than enough time to make an informed judgement.

I understand not everyone can do this due to work etc.

That one session we watched while recording the player interviews, Brennan looked really good. As did Mitch Cooper. The "second" team were destroying the firsts on that occasion.

[hawk]

Everyone on here seens really quick to bag the first player that comes along, no wonder the jets cant get anywhere

:rof:Heyy you bastards, this bastard believes that the jets are crap because we bag every player out. pretty sure the losses come first then the usual inquisition begins. btw ffa mangement are the first we look at, then our own, then the players, then bk, then mfks, then the crowd, bastards like me on foz, then mid strength pss, then jets shaped hats, then gav & furns over positive relationship, then club colours, then....

[Premy]

:rof:Heyy you bastards, this bastard believes that the jets are crap because we bag every player out. pretty sure the losses come first then the usual inquisition begins. btw ffa mangement are the first we look at, then our own, then the players, then bk, then mfks, then the crowd, bastards like me on foz, then mid strength pss, then jets shaped hats, then gav & furns over positive relationship, then club colours, then....

Herein lies the f'ing problem.
Mid strength piss should be top of the darn list :banghead:

[GazFish35]

:rof:Heyy you bastards, this bastard believes that the jets are crap because we bag every player out. pretty sure the losses come first then the usual inquisition begins. btw ffa mangement are the first we look at, then our own, then the players, then bk, then mfks, then the crowd, bastards like me on foz, then mid strength pss, then jets shaped hats, then gav & furns over positive relationship, then club colours, then....

Furns and I broke up

[hawk]

Furns and I broke up

oh fk. we need other areas to blame people!



go jets

[Jeterpool]

I'm pissed that stats didn't get a mention as part of the issue.

[belchardo]

oh fk. we need other areas to blame people!

The oppression of john christopher sunol by the one world order

[turbojetfireV8]

easy, blame council, they'll be some truth in it somewhere...

[GazFish35]

It's those lefties at the ABC

[Jeterpool]

I wasn't sure where to put this as I couldn't find a relevant BK thread.

And before I post this, I'm not wanting to start the fight about whether he's good enough or not, deserving or not, suits long hair or short. I just want to acknowledge our longest serving player.

This Saturday marks 10 years since Ben Kennedy made his A-League debut.

• First A-League appearance was against New Zealand Knights at North Harbour Stadium on 27/08/2006. The match ended as a 0-0 draw.
• Ben was handed his debut by Nick Theodorakopoulos and is the 26th player to be capped in the A-League for the club.
• Ben has made 127 competitive appearances for the club. He has made 114 A-League appearances, 5 in the Asian Champions League, 2 in the FFA Cup and 6 in the Pre-Season cup. He 4th overall in most appearances for the club.
• Ben was the first Jets keeper to have a clean sheet on debut – Ivan Necevski, Neil Young and Matthew Nash are the only other players.
• Ben has kept 25 clean sheets in the A-League.
• Ben has made an appearance under every coach except one – Richard Money.
• Ben was the 19th player to captain the Jets. His first appearance as captain was against Sydney FC at Hunter Stadium 6/3/15.
• Ben has the 8th most appearances of any keeper in the league.

[stopper2]

I wasn't sure where to put this as I couldn't find a relevant BK thread.

And before I post this, I'm not wanting to start the fight about whether he's good enough or not, deserving or not, suits long hair or short. I just want to acknowledge our longest serving player.

This Saturday marks 10 years since Ben Kennedy made his A-League debut.

• First A-League appearance was against New Zealand Knights at North Harbour Stadium on 27/08/2006. The match ended as a 0-0 draw.
• Ben was handed his debut by Nick Theodorakopoulos and is the 26th player to be capped in the A-League for the club.
• Ben has made 127 competitive appearances for the club. He has made 114 A-League appearances, 5 in the Asian Champions League, 2 in the FFA Cup and 6 in the Pre-Season cup. He 4th overall in most appearances for the club.
• Ben was the first Jets keeper to have a clean sheet on debut – Ivan Necevski, Neil Young and Matthew Nash are the only other players.
• Ben has kept 25 clean sheets in the A-League.
• Ben has made an appearance under every coach except one – Richard Money.
• Ben was the 19th player to captain the Jets. His first appearance as captain was against Sydney FC at Hunter Stadium 6/3/15.
• Ben has the 8th most appearances of any keeper in the league.

Love reading up on some stats:rof:
Nice work Jeterpool.
Shit I thought we may have been up around 12 captains but 19 over 11 seasons!!!
I suppose during the annus horribilus under the Muppet we must have head 5-6 alone that season.

Here's one for you mate, who has captained the team in the most games?
Off the top of my head I am tipping Zads.

[borat]

I wonder why the Jets haven't signed their third u20 now they have "resolved" the squad positions with Brennan....mmmm....it's almost like its unresolved

[Guerny]

It is sorted... Brenan is the mature age rookie


This.

You need to be an amateur for the previous 18 months. The point of the mature age rookie was to encourage clubs to not ignore the NPL and sign the best performing players. It's meant for your Luke Remmington/Kale Bradbury's.

Not to shuffle your decks to sign a Chinese development player.

It's the contract (2yrs) that can be classed as a "mature age rookie" contract, not the player.

Otherwise you sign a mature age rookie and only his first season can be taken out of the salary cap, which would make managing your cap in subsequent years a total pain in the arse.

[stopper2]

I wonder why the Jets haven't signed their third u20 now they have "resolved" the squad positions with Brennan....mmmm....it's almost like its unresolved

It was strongly tipped to be a local player from the Jets youth a few weeks back ie Cameron Joice. Maybe they are looking elsewhere now as no player really stands out from the youth playing group.

[Jeterpool]

Love reading up on some stats:rof:
Nice work Jeterpool.
Shit I thought we may have been up around 12 captains but 19 over 11 seasons!!!
I suppose during the annus horribilus under the Muppet we must have head 5-6 alone that season.

Here's one for you mate, who has captained the team in the most games?
Off the top of my head I am tipping Zads.

Zads in the A-League with 44.

Zads and Jade North share the overall with 44.

[furns]

Cooper, Brennan and Pav left off the China tour.
Joice, Bymora & yoof mf Cody Carroll will join the touring squad instead.

[&1gest]

article gives an idea of who is in the running for the U/20 spot
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4114512/fringe-jets-miss-china-tour-i-photos/

[Jeterpool]

Cooper, Brennan and Pav left off the China tour.
Joice, Bymora & yoof mf Cody Carroll will join the touring squad instead.

Miller must read the foz.


article gives an idea of who is in the running for the U/20 spot
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4114512/fringe-jets-miss-china-tour-i-photos/

I think you're on the money.

[stopper2]

^^^^
Going by these latest developments with the three left behind on top of Miller's comments both last week and today, I think it is obvious that Brennan, Cooper and Pav have told to look elsewhere because they won't be getting any gametime this year. They may want to stay but why would you if you know before the start of the season that you are on the outer and even below youth players in the pecking order.
Going on his form last year, Miller appears to be the type of coach who once he makes his mind up about you in regards to what you can contribute to the squad....he doesn't backtrack on his decision. I'm not saying if this is right or wrong, just calling it how I see it.

[stopper2]

Zads in the A-League with 44.

Zads and Jade North share the overall with 44.

Cheers mate.
Going by that we obviously haven't had a captain longer then 2 seasons straight, has been a bit of a "poisoned chalice" wearing the Jets armband ha ha.

[GazFish35]

^^^^
Going by these latest developments with the three left behind on top of Miller's comments both last week and today, I think it is obvious that Brennan, Cooper and Pav have told to look elsewhere because they won't be getting any gametime this year. They may want to stay but why would you if you know before the start of the season that you are on the outer and even below youth players in the pecking order.
Going on his form last year, Miller appears to be the type of coach who once he makes his mind up about you in regards to what you can contribute to the squad....he doesn't backtrack on his decision. I'm not saying if this is right or wrong, just calling it how I see it.

money.

Given they cant break into a squad that hasn't made the finals for ages and got 8th spot last season who is going to pay them more than they are currently on?

Realistically few a-league teams would be chomping at the bit to sign them, (it's safe to assume) no NPL team would have the cash to match their current contracts, so its either find a payday in south east asia (and tunt he risk of ending up at club who doesn't actually pay you), or wait for ledman to sell you to a Chinese 3rd division side or wait out your contract earning cash riding the pine.

[borat]

It is sorted... Brenan is the mature age rookie



It's the contract (2yrs) that can be classed as a "mature age rookie" contract, not the player.

Otherwise you sign a mature age rookie and only his first season can be taken out of the salary cap, which would make managing your cap in subsequent years a total pain in the arse.
Except that he is not.

You have missed the point being that Brennan never was the Jets Mature Age Rookie last season nor has the club ever made any statement saying he was. Infact every statement they made was we did not the budget to take advantage of these concessions. And they were right. The Jets had the minimum 20 player squad last season. To sign a mature age rookie we would have needed to sign another player as the rookie is outside the cap and not included in the squad.

My money is that Parris's article was wrong or hypothetical, citing an unnamed FFA source with no quote from either club or FFA . I would bet one of the three left behind from China leave the club before the season starts and the Chinese player is signed.

[borat]

It was strongly tipped to be a local player from the Jets youth a few weeks back ie Cameron Joice. Maybe they are looking elsewhere now as no player really stands out from the youth playing group.
Which you think would have been sorted at start of preseason. Nothing indicates this player won't be min wage so not like salary cap implications are not well known, ie, need 55k spare.

I get waiting for the right Visa player, but surely the u20's can be resolved in time for pre-season

[The Camel]

Which you think would have been sorted at start of preseason. Nothing indicates this player won't be min wage so not like salary cap implications are not well known, ie, need 55k spare.

I get waiting for the right Visa player, but surely the u20's can be resolved in time for pre-season

Seeing we are taking 3 U20s away I would suggest it is sorted. It will be one of those 3, and we are giving the 3 of them an opportunity to push their case. Who cares if we have not locked it down yet, it means we have an opportunity to run the rule over 3 hungry young blokes and get to see which one puts their best foot forward.

[borat]

money.

Given they cant break into a squad that hasn't made the finals for ages and got 8th spot last season who is going to pay them more than they are currently on?

Realistically few a-league teams would be chomping at the bit to sign them, (it's safe to assume) no NPL team would have the cash to match their current contracts, so its either find a payday in south east asia (and tunt he risk of ending up at club who doesn't actually pay you), or wait for ledman to sell you to a Chinese 3rd division side or wait out your contract earning cash riding the pine.

Cooper is the only one capable of another HAL deal. Or as I have previously said offer them a contract payout. But obviously we are playing hardball and hoping they find their own exit.

A reason for keeping Pav is his eligibility for the 200k home grown player allowance. But so is Kennedy, Hoole, Kanta & Hoffman.

[The Camel]

Except that he is not.

You have missed the point being that Brennan never was the Jets Mature Age Rookie last season nor has the club ever made any statement saying he was. Infact every statement they made was we did not the budget to take advantage of these concessions. And they were right. The Jets had the minimum 20 player squad last season. To sign a mature age rookie we would have needed to sign another player as the rookie is outside the cap and not included in the squad.

My money is that Parris's article was wrong or hypothetical, citing an unnamed FFA source with no quote from either club or FFA . I would bet one of the three left behind from China leave the club before the season starts and the Chinese player is signed.

IIRC There were ascertions made last year that if we had been sold earlier to Thompson then we had the ability to move Brennan to Mature Age Rookie status and BK1 and 2 to long serving, if the new owner wanted to free up cap space. Brennan was signed under the rules which govern the rule, just because we went tight and did not choose to spend over does not change that his contract qualifies.

[borat]

Seeing we are taking 3 U20s away I would suggest it is sorted. It will be one of those 3, and we are giving the 3 of them an opportunity to push their case. Who cares if we have not locked it down yet, it means we have an opportunity to run the rule over 3 hungry young blokes and get to see which one puts their best foot forward.

Maybe, maybe not. I would like to see the squad settled early in preseason then late. Let's see how it pans out.

[borat]

IIRC There were ascertions made last year that if we had been sold earlier to Thompson then we had the ability to move Brennan to Mature Age Rookie status and BK1 and 2 to long serving, if the new owner wanted to free up cap space. Brennan was signed under the rules which govern the rule, just because we went tight and did not choose to spend over does not change that his contract qualifies.

We talked about not using salary cap concessions such a loyalty players and home grown players due to budget, because we had players that qualified at the time and only chose not to use it.

That's different to switching a player from inside the cap to outside. I certainly have no recollection of mature age rookie ever being mentioned, nor is there any mention within the player regulations that can be done.

Either way the proof will be if we register a 24th player with the FFA or not. I bet we don't but time will tell.

[MFKS]

Kudos to Millertime on his initiative to get the process of getting rid of his unwanted players.
About ****ing time

On another note where is the moral outrage from the usual suspects about this???

[Guerny]

I'd like to be the first to volunteer my services as the next mature age rookie when Brennan's contract is up.

I'll happily help out the club (for any contract length) by:
- making up the min contracted squad numbers.
- not travelling with the team to games.
- not travelling with the team as part of any touring party.
- excluding myself from the official squad numbers if required (should we need to sign a chinese development player).
- training separately from the team.
- not doing any media.

and i'll do all this for min wage ($50K / season).

[borat]

Kudos to Millertime on his initiative to get the process of getting rid of his unwanted players.
About ****ing time

On another note where is the moral outrage from the usual suspects about this???

I don't get what the problem is I have to say. They were signed by Stubbins on 2 year deals and Miller doesn't want them or rate them. As long as we meet our contractual obligations I don't have any problem making a business decision to move on 3 min wage players. If we can afford to do so then clearly freeing the squad spaces is more important than using the cash elsewhere.

We can't afford to carry 3 players who aren't contributing.

[monz6]

Don't we also have more money to spend because of David carney leaving last season?

[turbojetfireV8]

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2016/09/14/jets-unveil-strip-for-new-a-league-season/

Thought we were getting a Chinese sponsor that wasn't Ledman group? Is this a sign we couldn't attract one??

[Jeterpool]

Means Beechwood aren't coming back as major shirt sponsor too.

[turbojetfireV8]

aren't Beechwood sponsoring their beloved Knights instead?? (probably on their asses)

a true sign of failure will be when Ledman dump sponsoring us to sponsor the Knights... :popcorn:

[plague]

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2016/09/14/jets-unveil-strip-for-new-a-league-season/

Thought we were getting a Chinese sponsor that wasn't Ledman group? Is this a sign we couldn't attract one??


hahahahahahaha remember when Tinkler did that and everyone put on the tin foil hats saying he was doing it for the coal loader?

ok lads, have at it LEDMAN IS COMING FOR OUR COAL!!!!!!

[rhysd]

It was a trial game with an opportunity for added exposure..

How does this confirm who the front shirt sponsors will be in round 1?

[turbojetfireV8]

can you make LEDs outta coal?? wouldn't he be better making a China theme park like the one that was planned for the Central Coast?? :rof:

[turbojetfireV8]

the NBN story was the unveiling of this year's playing strip, major sponsor Ledman

NB: it has the A-League logo not the FFA cup like the trial matches

[The Postman]

Beachwood were the away jersey sponsor anyway. And I believe we are getting a new away kit.

[furns]

Beachwood were the away jersey sponsor anyway. And I believe we are getting a new away kit.
Wrong mate - Beechwood sponsored home kit
Inspiration Paint sponsored away kit

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Inspiration Paint sponsored away kit

And will be again this year, from what I hear.

[The Postman]

Wrong mate - Beechwood sponsored home kit
Inspiration Paint sponsored away kit

Ah yeah did forget about Inspirations Paint. Here's hoping for a Away kit similar to the GF kit.

[furns]

I hope Beechwood hang around as well.
Both the major sponsors last season were brilliant.

[Jetmaster]

Ledman is a placeholder...I would expect official shirt sponsors may still be getting sorted. But we'll see.

[pv4]

Ledman is a placeholder...I would expect official shirt sponsors may still be getting sorted. But we'll see.

Not a chance.

We "unveiled" the exact same kit as last season, but with the Ledman sponsor on the front.

IMO there is absolutely no way that sponsor is a placeholder.

[turbojetfireV8]

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These pre-season promo shots are like who'll be last man standing for us - so who'll be gone by the end of the season in this one? (please don't say Ledman... :D )

[Beeen]

Shenzen come in for Nobby/Kokko

[Wilso8948]

Adelaide rumoured to be signing Holland.. Ffs

[Bon]

Adelaide rumoured to be signing Holland.. Ffs

Premy is about to have a meltdown...

[Grimario]

Adelaide rumoured to be signing Holland.. Ffs

Burns too.

[Jeterpool]

Adelaide rumoured to be signing Holland.. Ffs


Burns too.

:soapbox:

Faaaaaark!!!!

[The Dunster]

There's two more reasons to hate the Jets and the FFA.

[hawk]

There's two more reasons to hate the Jets and the FFA.

Jets owners are twats

[rhysd]

Meanwhile our numpty squad just won 4-0 against melb city. Some npl side allegedly.

[Couscous]

This is my proudest day as a Jets supporter.

[plague]

Meanwhile our numpty squad just won 4-0 against melb city. Some npl side allegedly.

see, who needs Miller?

[Thomas477]

Helped that city played their youth squad

[plague]

Helped that city played their youth squad

so much negativity on this foz.........

[Jetmaster]

Old Jets would lose a game such as this...forza new dawn.

[belchardo]

Old Jets would lose a game such as this...forza new dawn.

real test will be when we play perth in the FFA cup next year.

[Negative Police]

so much negativity on this foz.........

everyone needs to calm down and look for positives. eg.....

[plague]

everyone needs to calm down and look for positives. eg.....

hows this for negativity.

you are a shit multi.

[plague]

Captain Obvious is great.

Captain Oblivious is great (not that he cares).

The rest are terrible.

[GazFish35]

hows this for negativity.

you are a shit multi.

BOOM!

A plague on all your houses etc etc

[Captain Irrelevant]

Captain Obvious is great.

Captain Oblivious is great (not that he cares).

The rest are terrible.

Why don't I get a mention?

[boz-monaut]

nothing to do with you

[plague]

nothing to do with you

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--TURR0ScL--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/rmsqn02tapsybbe6ypql.gif

[GazFish35]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4188784/jack-throws-down-the-gauntlet-for-round-one/?cs=303

Chinese dude taking last visa spot.

[Jeterpool]

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4188784/jack-throws-down-the-gauntlet-for-round-one/?cs=303

Chinese dude taking last visa spot.

I think this is going to be more Drovandi than it will be Song.

[matty]

sucky sucky love job for mr lee by the sounds of it

[RAM]

I think this is going to be more Drovandi than it will be Song.

Token.

[turbojetfireV8]

I think this is going to be more Drovandi than it will be Song.

starting to worry already, if Martin has got his way (as was always likely seeing as he now pays the bills, albeit a bit like Con at the moment, i.e. tight-assedly) I anticipate he will also expect/demand his boy gets real game time, not just riding the pine or playing in the youth squad but genuine minutes, maybe even starting - would Jones be game enough to ignore a directive from the boss??

[plague]

starting to worry already, if Martin has got his way (as was always likely seeing as he now pays the bills, albeit a bit like Con at the moment, i.e. tight-assedly) I anticipate he will also expect/demand his boy gets real game time, not just riding the pine or playing in the youth squad but genuine minutes, maybe even starting - would Jones be game enough to ignore a directive from the boss??

Nothing like Con.

The only time Con fiddled with the team was when he brought in a former European Golden boot winner to rev them up then we went on to win the comp despite GVE being such a shitkhunt.

Also, Con signed Griff despite pretty much every club in the world chasing him.

Hail Con.
Hail Griff.

[turbojetfireV8]

sorry plague, meant the tight-ass bit, not the play my boy or else bit ;) totally agree with the rest of what you said

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Looks like Ma Leilei is already training with the team?

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[WolfMan]

Looks like Ma Leilei is already training with the team?

1329

LOL that's Wayne Brown...

[turbojetfireV8]

Ma is taller than Brown BTW, 1.8m v 1.75m :)

[OmeletteDuFromage]

LOL that's Wayne Brown...

**** me dead thats a shocking haircut then.

[380]

Get a start as the front-man for the Monkees with a rug like that one.

[halo se7en]

Can anyone explain the benefit to me of Lee forcing us to sign a Chinese player who's not even good enough to crack our starting line-up?

I can't make any sense of it whatsoever. I certainly wouldn't start following a crap Chinese team because some random young Aussie was sitting on the bench.

Is there a possibility this kid might actually help us?

[Jeterpool]

Can anyone explain the benefit to me of Lee forcing us to sign a Chinese player who's not even good enough to crack our starting line-up?

I can't make any sense of it whatsoever. I certainly wouldn't start following a crap Chinese team because some random young Aussie was sitting on the bench.

Is there a possibility this kid might actually help us?

I'm not seeing them joinging is all about contributing on the field. Rightly or wrongly, it's about increasing our exposure and support in China.

People in China are streaming and viewing our games. This player will sell shirts. This could also help attract more sponsors from overseas into our club.

The Chinese player is more than simply what they will add to the squad. And I think there's a good chance they could add something to the squad. They aren't a kid (27) and they have been playing in Portugal 2.

[lquiquer]

Can anyone explain the benefit to me of Lee forcing us to sign a Chinese player who's not even good enough to crack our starting line-up?

I can't make any sense of it whatsoever. I certainly wouldn't start following a crap Chinese team because some random young Aussie was sitting on the bench.

Is there a possibility this kid might actually help us?

According to McKinna on twitter:
"One chinese player in the squad gives more media coverage in China"
"sponsorship and awareness for Newcastle and the Hunter region"
"sponsorship from China and from australian companies wanting to move to China"

I myself not convinced of any benefits

[The Dunster]

According to McKinna on twitter:
"One chinese player in the squad gives more media coverage in China"
"sponsorship and awareness for Newcastle and the Hunter region"
"sponsorship from China and from australian companies wanting to move to China"

I myself not convinced of any benefits

Martin Lee has used the Jets as a way to promote himself and his companies in Australia.
I already own a football team in Australia why don't you let me start up a [fill in the blanks]
Not unlike the Tinkler situation we had a few years back.
To bring in a 3rd rate Chinese player Martin Lee will do more damage than good.
If the Chinese player fails he will drag the team down both on and off the pitch. if he succeeds then the Chinese people will be saying the A-League is piss weak because this bloke was a complete failure in China and yet is going well in Australia.


Glad I'm an Adelaide supporter.

[The Dunster]

I'm not seeing them joinging is all about contributing on the field. Rightly or wrongly, it's about increasing our exposure and support in China.

People in China are streaming and viewing our games. This player will sell shirts. This could also help attract more sponsors from overseas into our club.

The Chinese player is more than simply what they will add to the squad. And I think there's a good chance they could add something to the squad. They aren't a kid (27) and they have been playing in Portugal 2.

The Chinese player hasn't managed to crack it in the 2nd tier of Chinese football. His presence at the Jets sends a message to the Chinese that the A-league is weak and anyone playing 3rd tier or so in China will be more than good enough to make it in the A-league. The only reason he played 2nd tier in Portugal was because he was dropped into a team by Martin Lee. He wasn't there on merit, he was there because Martin Lee forced him into the team. No surprise that his old team aren't crying foul that he's left.
I hope he transforms under Aussie conditions and proves the doubters wrong but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

[white city]

The Chinese player hasn't managed to crack it in the 2nd tier of Chinese football. His presence at the Jets sends a message to the Chinese that the A-league is weak and anyone playing 3rd tier or so in China will be more than good enough to make it in the A-league. The only reason he played 2nd tier in Portugal was because he was dropped into a team by Martin Lee. He wasn't there on merit, he was there because Martin Lee forced him into the team. No surprise that his old team aren't crying foul that he's left.
I hope he transforms under Aussie conditions and proves the doubters wrong but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

i think everyone needs to ease up a little!!. the Chinese development player wont be forced on the coach. Everyone is coming to their own conclusions about the new owner, his wealth has been earned by his business smarts, (not digging up a hole in his backyard) - he needs the time to work the club out first to see where money can be made and lost he isnt going to walk in and start throwing cash everywhere.

i think having the chinese player in as a development player is a great initiative and hopefully we will have a similar scenario on the other hand with a player of ours going to china for the experience. Alot can be learnt from the different cultures in terms of preparation and mentalities.

plus the player needs to be watch first before you can determine his merit or not. how are we to judge him when he hasnt even been seen play.?.?

[The Dunster]

i think everyone needs to ease up a little!!. the Chinese development player wont be forced on the coach. Everyone is coming to their own conclusions about the new owner, his wealth has been earned by his business smarts, (not digging up a hole in his backyard) - he needs the time to work the club out first to see where money can be made and lost he isnt going to walk in and start throwing cash everywhere.

i think having the chinese player in as a development player is a great initiative and hopefully we will have a similar scenario on the other hand with a player of ours going to china for the experience. Alot can be learnt from the different cultures in terms of preparation and mentalities.

plus the player needs to be watch first before you can determine his merit or not. how are we to judge him when he hasnt even been seen play.?.?

You might like to read this:


New sponsor of Portugal's second-tier ProLiga divison backs down on plans to make teams field Chinese players
Portuguese second tier will be rebranded as Ledman LigaPro next season
Ledman plan to send 10 Chinese players to the league's top 10 clubs
Chinese players were set for 'minimum usage rate' to ensure they played
But Ledman have now backed down on that part of the sponsorship deal
Three coaches will also join LigaPro teams to 'enhance Chinese players'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3417557/Portuguese-clubs-field-Chinese-players-new-sponsorship-deal-second-tier-LigaPro-division.html

So if you think this Chinese player won't be forced into a starting role you are deluded.
I'll be ordering the large popcorn to watch this shit unfold.

[RAM]

i think everyone needs to ease up a little!!. the Chinese development player wont be forced on the coach. Everyone is coming to their own conclusions about the new owner, his wealth has been earned by his business smarts, (not digging up a hole in his backyard) - he needs the time to work the club out first to see where money can be made and lost he isnt going to walk in and start throwing cash everywhere.

i think having the chinese player in as a development player is a great initiative and hopefully we will have a similar scenario on the other hand with a player of ours going to china for the experience. Alot can be learnt from the different cultures in terms of preparation and mentalities.

plus the player needs to be watch first before you can determine his merit or not. how are we to judge him when he hasnt even been seen play.?.?

You can't call a 27 year old a development player ffs

[GazFish35]

The gunners did the same "business strategy" by signing Inamoto. Helped shirt sales in Japan, pre-empted future tours to Asia, Asian tourism advertising started popping up at Arsenal games.

Man Utd did it to, thry had a Korean player, we had a Japanese player - both got named on the bench - neither made the pitch, but at the time I think the game was the highest tv audience of the time.

Football is business now, and we are owned by a business.


We'll be a laughing stock if he's shit, like Arsenal were with Inamoto, but we could very well laugh all the way to the bank.

And... We are already a laughing stock, what's to lose? Our dignity??? We wear gold and colours based on the local rugby league side FFS.

[pv4]

Man Utd did it to, thry had a Korean player, we had a Japanese player - both got named on the bench - neither made the pitch, but at the time I think the game was the highest tv audience of the time.


Manure have almost always tried to have an Asian player. It seems to have faded out a lot since AF left though.

I thought Arsenal signing El-Neny was purely a move to appease all the Egyptian fans but it turns out he's actually a handy player.

[plague]

I can't make any sense of it whatsoever

I mean you asked a question about the Jets then you typed this sentence like you forgot for a second it was the Jets.

[hawk]

The gunners did the same "business strategy" by signing Inamoto.

Wouldnt so bad if we got the equivalent of an Inamoto

[hawk]

Football is business now, and we are owned by a business.

Sounds alot like....bendover and let them do what ever they want.

Bit like whats happened to the country. Every other bastard owns us and reaps the profits.

But anyway lets get our heads back in the sand and dont rock the boat. carn chinaJets

[goaliepersempre]

Manure have almost always tried to have an Asian player. It seems to have faded out a lot since AF left though.

I thought Arsenal signing El-Neny was purely a move to appease all the Egyptian fans but it turns out he's actually a handy player.

coulda told you that re El-Neny

[stopper2]

Checked out the intra club trial this morning, would appear Duncan is the #1 keeper at this point in time. Kokko got a goal but appears a little off the pace in terms of sharpness. Was quite impressed with Vujica at LB, held his own against Nabbout, very tidy technique and strong in defence. He will push Cowby but then again Cowby can always switch to RB too. Young Antonee Burke stood out too, don't think he lost the ball or gave a stray pass and provided a bit of finesse and skill. Think we will be seeing him too sooner rather then later, even if it is just off the bench.

[stopper2]

The gunners did the same "business strategy" by signing Inamoto. Helped shirt sales in Japan, pre-empted future tours to Asia, Asian tourism advertising started popping up at Arsenal games.

Man Utd did it to, thry had a Korean player, we had a Japanese player - both got named on the bench - neither made the pitch, but at the time I think the game was the highest tv audience of the time.

Football is business now, and we are owned by a business.


We'll be a laughing stock if he's shit, like Arsenal were with Inamoto, but we could very well laugh all the way to the bank.

And... We are already a laughing stock, what's to lose? Our dignity??? We wear gold and colours based on the local rugby league side FFS.
That's the big picture Gaz that likes of Dunster, hawk and others can't seem to grasp at this stage.
This is all about making connections and relationships; Chinese players and coaches will be coming here, young players here in the Hunter before too long will have the opportunity to go to Portugal to train with clubs over there and earn valuable experience.
This is just the beginning.
The same most probably would have happened if Stephen Thompson from Dundee had taken over. Daresay he would have demanded a Dundee United player come here to experience the A-League and to start some sort of player program between the two clubs. I believe this sort of relationship had already been discussed in preliminary discussions.
Bottom line is, Martin Lee is pumping money into this club and if he wants a Chinese player to play here, he will get a Chinese player here whether we like it or not. As this point in time, this issue is way down on what I think are "priorities" for this club.

[GazFish35]

My fear is the big picture dos st include long term positives for us, only Lee.

[lquiquer]

That's the big picture Gaz that likes of Dunster, hawk and others can't seem to grasp at this stage.
This is all about making connections and relationships; Chinese players and coaches will be coming here, young players here in the Hunter before too long will have the opportunity to go to Portugal to train with clubs over there and earn valuable experience.
This is just the beginning.
The same most probably would have happened if Stephen Thompson from Dundee had taken over. Daresay he would have demanded a Dundee United player come here to experience the A-League and to start some sort of player program between the two clubs. I believe this sort of relationship had already been discussed in preliminary discussions.
Bottom line is, Martin Lee is pumping money into this club and if he wants a Chinese player to play here, he will get a Chinese player here whether we like it or not. As this point in time, this issue is way down on what I think are "priorities" for this club.


From Twitter:
"Josh Mitchell Verified account 
‏@Joshy_Mitchy
If they sign the player I saw in the trial game then I believe they should be criticised.Can't fit my frustrations on the issue into a tweet"

it's not looking promising .........

[hawk]

That's the big picture Gaz that likes of Dunster, hawk and others can't seem to grasp at this stage.
This is all about making connections and relationships; Chinese players and coaches will be coming here, young players here in the Hunter before too long will have the opportunity to go to Portugal to train with clubs over there and earn valuable experience.
This is just the beginning.
The same most probably would have happened if Stephen Thompson from Dundee had taken over. Daresay he would have demanded a Dundee United player come here to experience the A-League and to start some sort of player program between the two clubs. I believe this sort of relationship had already been discussed in preliminary discussions.
Bottom line is, Martin Lee is pumping money into this club and if he wants a Chinese player to play here, he will get a Chinese player here whether we like it or not. As this point in time, this issue is way down on what I think are "priorities" for this club.

whoa hold the phone there simon. 1 Chinese player isnt the big picture.

I can just grasp this terribly difficult concept but I cannot accept being held over a barrel again like we did with the fat fk in the unlikely event of getting a better financial model. There is no a guarantee of any success or financial well being. 1st we lost a pretty good coach and now our playing roster is being forced. What next?

Imo We will survive with or without chinese overlord. I find it difficult that supporters will tolerate this.

[lquiquer]

1 Chinese player isnt the big picture.

.

Not only 1 chinese player, but one unknown,unproven,nobody Chinese player........If we signed the Chinese Cahill maybe yes I can see the benefits but Ma Lei Lei ???!!!! hope he proves us wrong but....

[hawk]

My fear is the big picture doesnt include long term positives for us, only Lee.

Im thinking this too

[plague]

before too long will have the opportunity to go to Portugal to train with clubs over there and earn valuable experience.


my man stopper2 is on the money once again.
Remember the well oiled machine that was Kaz Patafta that came to us via Porto?

Bloke won us a title etc etc etc.

[lquiquer]

my man stopper2 is on the money once again.
Remember the well oiled machine that was Kaz Patafta that came to us via Porto?

Bloke won us a title etc etc etc.

Benfica sir ^^... Benfica....

[plague]

Benfica sir ^^... Benfica....

they all look the same to me

[plague]

The Chinese player hasn't managed to crack it in the 2nd tier of Chinese football. His presence at the Jets sends a message to the Chinese that the A-league is weak and anyone playing 3rd tier or so in China will be more than good enough to make it in the A-league. The only reason he played 2nd tier in Portugal was because he was dropped into a team by Martin Lee. He wasn't there on merit, he was there because Martin Lee forced him into the team. No surprise that his old team aren't crying foul that he's left.
I hope he transforms under Aussie conditions and proves the doubters wrong but I wouldn't be holding my breath.


jeez, Pauline Hanson says the exact same thing 20 years back and gets put in jail.

my oh my how times have changed.

[turbojetfireV8]

how long till Ma actually arrives to join the team? we can't even assess how he looks on a training pitch at the moment, he didn't exactly feature prominently in any of the snippets from the tour, has he even got a highlights package??? :D

it's gonna be interesting to see what he brings, as far as I can tell from Transfermarkt he hasn't even played in Portugal http://www.transfermarkt.com/leilei-ma/profil/spieler/187992, he signed 1 July 2016 from a Chinese team where he appears to have not been playing much football, whether through injury or not being picked can't tell, but there's not a lot to get excited about at present, may need a minor miracle from him to show up all the sceptics and actually show he isn't just some gimmick from the boss... :popcorn:

[halo se7en]

Not only 1 chinese player, but one unknown,unproven,nobody Chinese player........If we signed the Chinese Cahill maybe yes I can see the benefits but Ma Lei Lei ???!!!! hope he proves us wrong but....

This is exactly the point a lot of people seem to be missing. I don't care if Lee wants a Chinese players in the squad for financial/business purposes. But the guy sounds like an utter nobody, and has come into a team full of utter nobodies who will be lucky to make the top half of the table. Why on earth would the Chinese public care? Why watch games when he's not even likely to get on the pitch? Considering some of the players that are trotting around in the CSL at the moment, what appeal does the A-league have?

How many Aussies have tuned in to the CSL over the last decade to watch Cahill, Griffiths (all 4 of them), McBreen, Santalab, Vidosic, Ibini, Paartalu, McKay, Milligan, Sterjovski, Djite, Troisi, Leijer, Thwaite, Sainsbury, Spiranovic.....? Some of these players were/are good enough for our national side, and appear miles ahead of our Chinese guy, yet did they attract any widespread interest from here? I'm guessing no. I've certainly never seen one single person wearing a CSL shirt with an Aussie name on the back (or even just a CSL shirt) I know our population is miniscule compared to the Chinese, but the point remains.

Lee can do what he wants, but this move still baffles the hell out of me. Worse still, unless I'm mistaken, Jones hasn't even seen him play, so let's hope it doesn't blow up once Jones inevitably resigns him to the bench, or leaves him out of the matchday squad altogether.

[halo se7en]

I mean you asked a question about the Jets then you typed this sentence like you forgot for a second it was the Jets.

:rof: fair point

[Grimario]

how long till Ma actually arrives to join the team? we can't even assess how he looks on a training pitch at the moment, he didn't exactly feature prominently in any of the snippets from the tour, has he even got a highlights package??? :D

I'd take Mitchell's assessment as pretty damning whether we have seen him or not.

[The Dunster]

So how is everyone doing chasing those refunds on their Jets memberships ?

[stopper2]

whoa hold the phone there simon. 1 Chinese player isnt the big picture.

I can just grasp this terribly difficult concept but I cannot accept being held over a barrel again like we did with the fat fk in the unlikely event of getting a better financial model. There is no a guarantee of any success or financial well being. 1st we lost a pretty good coach and now our playing roster is being forced. What next?

Imo We will survive with or without chinese overlord. I find it difficult that supporters will tolerate this.

Speaking of the fat fk, yeah he went all out throwing $700k/season on Heskey, yeah the crowds and memberships spiked the first season but in the end what did we gain from it .....8th and 7th positions. I know it's kind off a little off topic but it's showing the other side of the coin; Heskey cost a lot of money for really no gain in the end....but no one is complaining, now we have a Chinese no-name who will probably be taking up bugger all of the salary cap but every is up in arms..."how dare Martin Lee do this" blah blah blah....if he contributes on the field=great, that's a bonus. If he doesn't, who cares, move on as probably 80% of our visa players are failures anyway.
Storm in a tea-cup.
The only problem I can envisage is If and I mean IF Martin Lee were to try to influence the coaching staffs decisions i.e pushing for Lei Lei to play if the coaching staff feel he is not worthy of playing....but hey lets worry about that IF it eventuates, no use beating ourselves up about it.
Peace brothers:cool:

[The Dunster]

Speaking of the fat fk, yeah he went all out throwing $700k/season on Heskey, yeah the crowds and memberships spiked the first season but in the end what did we gain from it .....8th and 7th positions. I know it's kind off a little off topic but it's showing the other side of the coin; Heskey cost a lot of money for really no gain in the end....but no one is complaining, now we have a Chinese no-name who will probably be taking up bugger all of the salary cap but every is up in arms..."how dare Martin Lee do this" blah blah blah....if he contributes on the field=great, that's a bonus. If he doesn't, who cares, move on as probably 80% of our visa players are failures anyway.
Storm in a tea-cup.
The only problem I can envisage is If and I mean IF Martin Lee were to try to influence the coaching staffs decisions i.e pushing for Lei Lei to play if the coaching staff feel he is not worthy of playing....but hey lets worry about that IF it eventuates, no use beating ourselves up about it.
Peace brothers:cool:

But that's exactly what he did in Portugal. He wanted teams to guarantee in writing - starting positions to Chinese players regardless of their ability.
Heskey was great for the Jets. He did here what he does everywhere he brings out the best in the team mates around him. Let's see how well Taggart does at Perth without Heskey's support.
Our new Chinese signing has absolutely no legitimate footballing pedigree. He's not even a bloke who used to be good but had a few bad years and is rebuilding. No, this blokes totally ****ing useless and would struggle to make the bench at Edgeworth.
A visa spot is for a player who has skill and ability not available within local talent pools - otherwise it is a waste of money.

[Grimario]

But that's exactly what he did in Portugal. He wanted teams to guarantee in writing - starting positions to Chinese players regardless of their ability.
Heskey was great for the Jets. He did here what he does everywhere he brings out the best in the team mates around him. Let's see how well Taggart does at Perth without Heskey's support.
Our new Chinese signing has absolutely no legitimate footballing pedigree. He's not even a bloke who used to be good but had a few bad years and is rebuilding. No, this blokes totally ****ing useless and would struggle to make the bench at Edgeworth.

Taggart for golden boot confirmed.

[The Dunster]

Taggart for golden boot confirmed.

Very possible now that I've put the kiss of death on myself.

[stopper2]

But that's exactly what he did in Portugal. He wanted teams to guarantee in writing - starting positions to Chinese players regardless of their ability.
Heskey was great for the Jets. He did here what he does everywhere he brings out the best in the team mates around him. Let's see how well Taggart does at Perth without Heskey's support.
Our new Chinese signing has absolutely no legitimate footballing pedigree. He's not even a bloke who used to be good but had a few bad years and is rebuilding. No, this blokes totally ****ing useless and would struggle to make the bench at Edgeworth.
A visa spot is for a player who has skill and ability not available within local talent pools - otherwise it is a waste of money.

That's rubbish Dunster as Taggart scored many If not the majority of his goals (would be good if someone could verify this) when Heskey was out injured for much of the season!
Heskey was a waste of money and anyone who denies this is plainly delusional or just a fan boi.

[The Dunster]

That's rubbish Dunster as Taggart scored many If not the majority of his goals (would be good if someone could verify this) when Heskey was out injured for much of the season!
Heskey was a waste of money and anyone who denies this is plainly delusional or just a fan boi.

Heskey would have done a lot for Taggart off the pitch as well.

And what's this fan boi shit - are you ten years old ?

Besides, I'm an Adelaide supporter.

[hawk]

Peace brothers:cool:

:rof:

When the new owner came in there was alway going to be plenty of hypothesising and strong views in every direction.

I dont mind seeing all this off season shenens but im ready for the season to start to see where we really are at.

[Jeterpool]

That's rubbish Dunster as Taggart scored many If not the majority of his goals (would be good if someone could verify this) when Heskey was out injured for much of the season!
Heskey was a waste of money and anyone who denies this is plainly delusional or just a fan boi.

Hello

They played together 32 times. They started 16 matches together. They scored 11 goals in those 16 matches.

I've not got the time to go through and determine whether they scoed when the other was on the ptich etc.

Also, 9 of those goals came in the last 9 matches of the 2nd season Heskey was here, funnily enough under Clayton Zane. It leads me to think Zane found a way to play the two of them together effectively.

Oh, and 8 of Taggart's 18 goals were scored when Heskey wasn't on the pitch - and I went through and worked out the subs with that.

[joel31]

So how is everyone doing chasing those refunds on their Jets memberships ?
Didn't renew. Might get a 3 game membership

[GazFish35]

So assuming he's close to minimum wage the $64,000 question is can Lei Lei play play?

I'm more concerned about Kokko and his boo boo from training when the gaffer said no no.



I'll get my hat.

[Jeterpool]

So assuming he's close to minimum wage the $64,000 question is can Lei Lei play play?

I'm more concerned about Kokko and his boo boo from training when the gaffer said no no.



I'll get my hat.

Bye bye

[stopper2]

I agree mate, Heskey looked most effective playing deeper in behind Taggz when Zane took over
You have come up with some interesting stats but to break it down if Taggz scored 8 goals from 18 games without Heskey, that's a strike-rate of 0.44,
with Heskey he scored 10 goals from 26 games....which gives a strike-rate of 0.38. Pretty sure that would indicate that he had a slighltly better strike-rate without "Heskey's support"....as Dunster would put it.
Fact is, Taggz had a great breakout season that year, winning the golden boot in a team that came 7th, in my opinion Heskey's influence was minimal in this feat.

[Jetmaster]

Thing with Taggz is he could just be a one season wonder. Did nothing before or since. Will be very interesting to see how he goes this season.
I said at the time another season here would be of benefit but like Beard had a manager promosing riches.

[turbojetfireV8]

Taggart benefitted a lot from GVE's paedo philosophy of only keeping his eyes on the young'ns most likely...

[Couscous]

Taggart benefitted a lot from GVE's paedo philosophy of only keeping his eyes on the young'ns most likely...

Wow.

[Tommyjet]

Wonder why its taking so longbto announce our chinese superstar signing, visa issues?

[turbojetfireV8]

...or that he only just signed with another team 1 July this year and suddenly is supposed to sign with us instead - does that mean we have to pay a half million euro transfer for him??? ;)

[baldrick]

Looks like we might be looking for an injury replacement keeper..



Newcastle Jets regret to advise its Members, supporters and media that experienced custodian Ben Kennedy sustained an injury to his Achilles tendon at training on Wednesday.
The shot-stopper saw a specialist and had scans late this afternoon.

The Club will provide further information regarding the extent of the injury when it is known.


http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/news-ben-kennedy-sustains-injury/kke4f02zhs4i1ln5t12f84rki

[lquiquer]

Bring back Birraz on loan......He will never play for Swansea.....

[Jeterpool]

Looks like we might be looking for an injury replacement keeper..




http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/news-ben-kennedy-sustains-injury/kke4f02zhs4i1ln5t12f84rki

If the club are making formal statements like this it says to me this isn't a couple of weeks type injury

[plague]

If the club are making formal statements like this it says to me this isn't a couple of weeks type injury

id say 6-8

[rhysd]

If the club are making formal statements like this it says to me this isn't a couple of weeks type injury

Achilles tendon rupture I would imagine if they have gone to this length in covering it. Long road back and such a killer blow especially coming into his final year of his contract.

Hope it is not as bad as feared, for his sake anyway.

[OmeletteDuFromage]

I reckon **** Ma Lei Lei off, get some shit Chinese GK on f all coin, and throw some decent money at a good aussie outfield player.

[The Camel]

If BK is gone for the season I would like a local NPL keeper to potentially get a gig. Danny Ireland would be my choice but even Fogerty has done well for Edgy

[Jeterpool]

If BK is gone for the season I would like a local NPL keeper to potentially get a gig. Danny Ireland would be my choice but even Fogerty has done well for Edgy

If it's an achillies tendon rupture, Dr Google says it's a 6-8 weeks recovery.

Anyone had this injury before that can shed some light on it?

[The Dunster]

If BK is gone for the season I would like a local NPL keeper to potentially get a gig. Danny Ireland would be my choice but even Fogerty has done well for Edgy

Why not just bring in an entire NPL roster and use the money we save to build a fleet of paddle steamers ?


I reckon **** Ma Lei Lei off, get some shit Chinese GK on f all coin, and throw some decent money at a good aussie outfield player.

This. Excellent idea.

[baldrick]

If it's an achillies tendon rupture, Dr Google says it's a 6-8 weeks recovery.

Anyone had this injury before that can shed some light on it?

I've not done my Achilles,but know people who have. They've had months in a boot, then a long period of rehab after that.

That said, the club haven't announced the type of BK's on injury just yet

[The Dunster]

I've not done my Achilles,but know people who have. They've had months in a boot, then a long period of rehab after that.

That said, the club haven't announced the type of BK's on injury just yet

Sounds about right.

I did mine in 1978 and it still plays up. Options are better now days but for an elite athlete like Bk it's a big worry.

The 6-8 weeks estimate from google is very optimistic given you would have at least that long out of action - then would need to get the power / strength / conditioning you lost. Add to that the mental side of things and lack of confidence in pushing off from the injured side - I'm going to guess his season might be over.

[lil_masi]

Covic?

[Jetmaster]

If it's snapped (like Kisnorbo for example) it's season ending. It is an obvious injury though and need immediate surgery so that would have been confirmed without scans.

Let's hope it is just a tear or similar which would be the 6-8 weeks.

[The Camel]

If it's an achillies tendon rupture, Dr Google says it's a 6-8 weeks recovery.

Anyone had this injury before that can shed some light on it?

Rhys Williams ruptured his and was out for over a year. Can be a horrific injury to come back from. Depends on the extent I guess

[plague]

Fogerty has done well for Edgy

wait, is this the guy in goals for the GF?

[matty]

bk gone for the season

[Jeterpool]

That a real shame for him. Speedy recovery BK.

[Grimario]

If it's an achillies tendon rupture, Dr Google says it's a 6-8 weeks recovery.

Anyone had this injury before that can shed some light on it?

Marrone ruptured his in Adelaide's GF win and he is still 3 months away... and given our off season is nearly a decade long, that makes it 6-8 years or something.

[Nou Camp]

people I know that have done their achillies recently were in a moon boot for 12 weeks let alone full recovery

[Thomas477]

Covic?

****ing this. Get the big man back here ffs.

[rhysd]

6-8 wks?

Anywhere between 6-9 months usually.

[Jeterpool]

****ing this. Get the big man back here ffs.

You watch Matt Nash come out of retirement for this gig again.

[turbojetfireV8]

You watch Matt Nash come out of retirement for this gig again.

we don't have to pay him in ice again do we??

[lquiquer]

Nothing mentioned today on keeper's situation so jerks are working on it.... get ready for the new signing....

[plague]

6-8 wks?

Anywhere between 6-9 months usually.

Nah mate.
Def only 6-8 weeks.
I've treated this type of injury before.

[terry]

Nah mate.
Def only 6-8 weeks.
I've treated this type of injury before.

you a physio?

[plague]

you a physio?

nah.
but I've consulted with some of the best in the field of injury management.
take for example resident expert Dr M Bridges.
bloke knows his stuff, he says 6-8 weeks. ill take his word for it.
he is rarely inaccurate on these matters.

[Imyourhero]

Do we know the full extent of the injury yet?
A rupture would be a fairly quick diagnosis so I'm assuming it's not that, luckily as that is a season finisher.
Grade II tear maybe? 8 weeks before full team duties is probably a good prognosis if so.

[Thomas477]

Do we know the full extent of the injury yet?
A rupture would be a fairly quick diagnosis so I'm assuming it's not that, luckily as that is a season finisher.
Grade II tear maybe? 8 weeks before full team duties is probably a good prognosis if so.

Jones said he's gone for the season

[Imyourhero]

Poor bugger

[pv4]

Great news for us is we have a fair bit of coin left in the cap to spend on BK's injury replacement now.

Covic pls.

[The Dunster]

Great news for us is we have a fair bit of coin left in the cap to spend on BK's injury replacement now.

Covic pls.

Gordon Banks

[Grimario]

Great news for us is we have a fair bit of coin left in the cap to spend on BK's injury replacement now.

Covic pls.

If all the rumours about BK's exorbitant cap space are true, we might as well spend up big and get Neuer in on loan.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

If all the rumours about BK's exorbitant cap space are true, we might as well spend up big and get Neuer in on loan.

FFA can help, like they did with Timmy. "Season Guest".. Make it happen eff eff ayy

[RAM]

people I know that have done their achillies recently were in a moon boot for 12 weeks let alone full recovery

I've strained mine before, was ****ing ages before it was 100%. Would tweak everytime you try to push off, was only ok for jogging. Not an injury a keeper wants.

[RAM]

Great news for us is we have a fair bit of coin left in the cap to spend on BK's injury replacement now.

Covic pls.

Past it, but probably an improvement on JD.

What about that lanky keeper from Brisbane Strikers? Or has he already been snapped up?

[Grimario]

Past it, but probably an improvement on JD.

What about that lanky keeper from Brisbane Strikers? Or has he already been snapped up?

http://www.brisbanestrikers.com.au/index.php/michael-weier-2015/

This bloke?

[RAM]

http://www.brisbanestrikers.com.au/index.php/michael-weier-2015/

This bloke?

Yeah, better than JD. And cheap.

Shames he's not Chinese, or he'd tick all the boxes.

[belchardo]

nah, lets get the fat keeper from Canberra Olympic. can take pens, captains the Australian futsal team or something.

[RAM]

nah, lets get the fat keeper from Canberra Olympic. can take pens, captains the Australian futsal team or something.

Turning circle of a Greek ferry too.

[De-Champ]

Sign Yoshi up he is looking for a team

[lil_masi]

Ray Gatt saying Covic to the jets

[Thomas477]

Ray Gatt saying Covic to the jets

**** I hope so

[plague]

Ray Gatt saying Covic to the jets

Man oh man Ray Gatt in gonna get one of these right eventually and there should be a cake or something to celebrate.

[Bon]

Ray Gatt saying Covic to the jets

Saw Covic and his kids walking around at the game yesterday.. Might be some truth to it..

[lil_masi]

Saw Covic and his kids walking around at the game yesterday.. Might be some truth to it..

It was a grand final winning team reunion yesterday

[Jeterpool]

Saw Covic and his kids walking around at the game yesterday.. Might be some truth to it..

He was there with other reps from the 08/09 squad as guests of honour for the match. Adam Griffiths, Stuie, Jobe, Thommo all there too - but I think Thommo was working for Fox.

[Bon]

It was a grand final winning team reunion yesterday


He was there with other reps from the 08/09 squad as guests of honour for the match. Adam Griffiths, Stuie, Jobe, Thommo all there too - but I think Thommo was working for Fox.

Ahhhhhh ok... Makes sense too..
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/10/09/covic-talks-jets-about-league-return
Just saw that too, no smoke without fire.. haha

[pv4]

Just saw that too, no smoke without fire.. haha

What about smoke machines?

[Bon]

What about smoke machines?

hahaha
Dry ice..

I knew you would get the reference..

[Jetmaster]

He was there with other reps from the 08/09 squad as guests of honour for the match. Adam Griffiths, Stuie, Jobe, Thommo all there too - but I think Thommo was working for Fox.

Think I saw Tarek, BK and Holland there too. Noted Reegz in attendance - his Adelaide deal is done.

[matty]

mullen gone 6-8 best case scenario

[Imyourhero]

So 3 injuries in 7 days to calves/achilles. What have we been doing at training to stress these areas so much?

[pv4]

So 3 injuries in 7 days to calves/achilles. What have we been doing at training to stress these areas so much?

It's all Trani's fault.

[Grimario]

It's all Trani's fault.

I heard he was pretty bad at Traning the lads.

[stopper2]

Seems Covic is virtually a done deal but NNSW's premier keeper of the last 4 years Danny Ireland should definitely at least be considered if the Covic deal does not eventuate?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Seems Covic is virtually a done deal but NNSW's premier keeper of the last 4 years Danny Ireland should definitely at least be considered if the Covic deal does not eventuate?

Chipotle or Aioli?

[turbojetfireV8]

Covic and Glover both off the radar now?
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4233990/duncan-in-box-seat-for-long-haul/?cs=306

[Jetmaster]

Says Covic couldn't commit and Spurs will not release Glover.

Will wait for someone to blame the club....or Middleby.

[RAM]

Says Covic couldn't commit and Spurs will not release Glover.

Will wait for someone to blame the club....or Middleby.

Back to the NPL search :thumbsup:

[The Camel]

Back to the NPL search :thumbsup:

Bring in Ireland from Olympic

[plague]

Says Covic couldn't commit and Spurs will not release Glover.

Will wait for someone to blame the club....or Middleby.

Wait?
Hasn't Glovers manager been a Foz poster in the before time or am I tripping?

Also, to be fair (and we've talked about a similar incident on the past), if Middleby had implemented bi-monthly achillies scans for the players he could have prevented BK getting injured or at least seen it coming and organised some cover at the position.

Club not entirely blameless in this.

[RAM]

We've been linked to another Serb or Croat for the keeper position. Can't make out his jersey, but its a Maco club he's from - Rockdale I think.

[Nou Camp]

Tomislav Arcaba
hes Australian that's played overseas

[white city]

Tomislav Arcaba
hes Australian that's played overseas

Has Leilei Ma arrived yet? If so there has been no article in the herald sprouting his talents.

If he has has anyone been down to a session to see him?

[Grimario]

Has Leilei Ma arrived yet? If so there has been no article in the herald sprouting his talents.

If he has has anyone been down to a session to see him?

From Sam Djodan (NBN Reporter) on twitter.


Sam Djodan ‏@samdjodan
Hoffman training today. So is Kokko, after some earlier fitness work. @EdgeworthFC Keanu Moore is here too, which I reckon is great @nbnnews

Also I don't know what the expectation with Ma Lei Lei is, but he just turned someone inside out three times, before going alone to score

[Thomas477]

Hopefully he's been refused a visa.

Edit: god dammit grim :p

[Grimario]

Hopefully he's been refused a visa.

Edit: god dammit grim :p

http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-23-2014/gQLnlC.gif

[borat]

Dispite the comments in the press, has their been an official announcement from the club that Ma has been added to the roster?

[belchardo]

From Sam Djodan (NBN Reporter) on twitter.

bet it was mullen that he turned inside out three times.

[Hunter403]

Don't be concerned. Nothing to see here. It was Hoffman he turned inside out 3 times. Hardly means he is A League material.....

[Grimario]

Dispite the comments in the press, has their been an official announcement from the club that Ma has been added to the roster?

I haven't seen anything official from the club.

[Mark325]

Does anyone have an updated list of the players contracts?

[stopper2]

Bring in Ireland from Olympic
I agree, worth at least a trial so the club can have a good look at him at training

[turbojetfireV8]

Injury replacement for Mullen??:
http://www.a-league.com.au/article/melbourne-victory-defender-scott-galloway-departs-club/j6uh8sixnfwk1ggbmdl4wdzdc

[Mark325]

Injury replacement for Mullen??:
http://www.a-league.com.au/article/melbourne-victory-defender-scott-galloway-departs-club/j6uh8sixnfwk1ggbmdl4wdzdc

has signed with the coast

[turbojetfireV8]

has signed with the coast

Did anyone warn him they don't have a defence and he's gonna have a very depressing season from here on???

[turbojetfireV8]

Haliti on his road to recovery, WSW and us:
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4239403/haliti-all-smiles-after-comeback/?cs=3398

[Jeterpool]

has signed with the coast

That was quick.

He's from Perth so I'm surprised he didn't end up there

[plague]

Did anyone warn him they don't have a defence and he's gonna have a very depressing season from here on???
He needs game time to develop some long term knee problems before he's ready to sign for us.

[Grimario]

We signed someone.

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/news-jets-welcome-johnny-koutroumbis/10ug37kfv07ge1hozfjmy6t40c


“For a young boy Johnny is a leader. He is an exceptional athlete and has good endurance and is quick. He is a winner and did some special things that helped win us some games in Adelaide last season.”

Good engines

[borat]

So.....Ma Leilei has been training with the squad for a week or so now. Seeing as training = work in this instance I think it's safe to assume he entered the country on a work visa so no hick up there.

Yet no official announcement that he has been officially signed and registered to the squad.

The longer this goes on the more I suspect that we are still waiting to free up a squad position.

[RAM]

How sad is it to see Kitto killing it with AU? Would've been nice to have Nabbout and him on either wing this season, both just look so dangerous on the ball at the moment.

[plague]

How sad is it to see Kitto killing it with AU? Would've been nice to have Nabbout and him on either wing this season, both just look so dangerous on the ball at the moment.

This is an important point.
I mean, with all the cap space and spots we had in the off season we couldn't hold onto our own player.
How could Adelaide possibly outbid us?
This club man. Frustrating.

[The Dunster]

This is an important point.
I mean, with all the cap space and spots we had in the off season we couldn't hold onto our own player.
How could Adelaide possibly outbid us?
This club man. Frustrating.

And lets not forget he knocked out a gypo keeper as well in a derby. Bloke should have been given keys to the city and signed for life.

[plague]

And lets not forget he knocked out a gypo keeper as well in a derby. Bloke should have been given keys to the city and signed for life.

there is a lot of knowledge being put forth on the foz this morning.
hope the youth are reading this.