2016/17 Squad Thread

[turbojetfireV8]

Excuses excuses...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4334365/newcastles-sydney-fc-hoodoo-continues/?cs=3398

[lquiquer]

Is Kanta out for a few weeks as well now?
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4334001/kanta-hurt-in-record-game/?cs=3398

It's not like we loosing N'Golo...:lulz:

[lquiquer]

http://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/vertragslosespieler It's all about $$$$

[RAM]

http://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/vertragslosespieler It's all about $$$$

Some decent players there...

Adebayor
Jo
Nolan
Muntari
Barton
Meireles
Cole
Berbatov
Wagner
Essien
Kuranyi

[borat]

Miller tried getting rid of same players they said no thanks, why would Jones have anymore luck specially as he started brennan last week

It's simple.

Pay them out and sign replacements as a marquee or promote from within the squad to marquee. And hope to god some club signs Ma sight unseen.

This should have been done in the off season. Miller wanted it done and now look where they are. It was obvious the depth in our squad was beyond bad and could cost us like it has.

I predicted at the start of the year that the club's around us had strengthened where we had not and we would come last. The only thing that has surprised me is what Miller was able to get out of the first XI. Another spoon is a lock.

[StannyCFCJET]

It's simple.

Pay them out and sign replacements as a marquee or promote from within the squad to marquee. And hope to god some club signs Ma sight unseen.

This should have been done in the off season. Miller wanted it done and now look where they are. It was obvious the depth in our squad was beyond bad and could cost us like it has.

I predicted at the start of the year that the club's around us had strengthened where we had not and we would come last. The only thing that has surprised me is what Miller was able to get out of the first XI. Another spoon is a lock.

Theyll still count towards salary cap

[StannyCFCJET]

Serious Question Boys. Do we think jones has lost majority of the dressing room??

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Serious Question Boys. Do we think jones has lost majority of the dressing room??

He never had it.

[StannyCFCJET]

He never had it.

Im inclined to agree with you

[borat]

Theyll still count towards salary cap

Maybe you missed the marquee part

[borat]

You promote your 2 highest paid players to marquee and that free up plenty.

Or we sign an actual quality for once

[stopper2]

You promote your 2 highest paid players to marquee and that free up plenty.

Or we sign an actual quality for once

Out of curiosity, who would be our two highest paid players? Pretty sure Boogs is one, the other?

Anyway the club clearly has to do something in January. It can't just rest on it's hands in delusional hope that once all these players return from injury everything will be fine and we will make a late run for the top six.

[PC14]

Anyway the club clearly has to do something in January. It can't just rest on it's hands in delusional hope that once all these players return from injury everything will be fine and we will make a late run for the top six.

That sounds like a challenge the club may take on.

[lquiquer]

You promote your 2 highest paid players to marquee and that free up plenty.

Or we sign an actual quality for once

Not only that but lets say u got marquee 1 and marquee 2.....you pay both 800K then you recruit another top player put him under the cap for 200K, get marquee A and B to give him 200K each (U can give money to whoever you want, nothing stopping me transferring money to lets say the Member account [Won't happen]) and you end up with 3 players on 600K each.......How do you think city, FC... etc do it..... :lulzturtle:

[Tommyjet]

If we can clear a couple of spots, loans for some of the aussies abroad not getting enough gametime might be a good shout. The likes of halloran

[Macca]

Not only that but lets say u got marquee 1 and marquee 2.....you pay both 800K then you recruit another top player put him under the cap for 200K, get marquee A and B to give him 200K each (U can give money to whoever you want, nothing stopping me transferring money to lets say the Member account [Won't happen]) and you end up with 3 players on 600K each.......How do you think city, FC... etc do it..... :lulzturtle:

Pretty sure if they're all over third party deals then they will have second party ones well covered. Although at least if we lost all our points doing this we could claim we should have finished higher than last

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Couple of points:
1- hasnt the boss man said no marquees?
2- don't marquees need to meet certain FFA criteria? ( none of our current squad would do so)

[Grimario]

Couple of points:
1- hasnt the boss man said no marquees?
2- don't marquees need to meet certain FFA criteria? ( none of our current squad would do so)

Pretty sure the "marquee" criteria is a thing of the past. They're essentially just "players outside the cap" now.

Tim Cahill Rule signings definitely have to meet criteria.

Could be and almost certainly am wrong.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Pretty sure the "marquee" criteria is a thing of the past. They're essentially just "players outside the cap" now.

Tim Cahill Rule signings definitely have to meet criteria.

Could be and almost certainly am wrong.

Correct.

'Tim Cahill Season Guest Marquee' has to meet FFA criteria (Be Tim Cahill), others are just outside the cap.

[borat]

Out of curiosity, who would be our two highest paid players? Pretty sure Boogs is one, the other?

Anyway the club clearly has to do something in January. It can't just rest on it's hands in delusional hope that once all these players return from injury everything will be fine and we will make a late run for the top six.

It's too late to wait until confidence is shot and everything has gone to sh*t. It should have happened pre-season.

[borat]

Couple of points:
1- hasnt the boss man said no marquees?
2- don't marquees need to meet certain FFA criteria? ( none of our current squad would do so)

The boss man also said he wants top 3 in what 2-3 years. The guy hasn't spent a cent and expects miracles

[plague]

Out of curiosity, who would be our two highest paid players? Pretty sure Boogs is one, the other?


Should be Duncan.

[turbojetfireV8]

Apparently we were in the game at some stage:

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2016/12/05/jets-hoping-for-reinforcements-for-trip-to-perth/

[belchardo]

Apparently we were in the game at some stage:

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2016/12/05/jets-hoping-for-reinforcements-for-trip-to-perth/

We dominated the walk onto the field.

[turbojetfireV8]

Can we get Vaughn Coveny as a short-term injury replacement then??:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4336651/from-one-hoodoo-to-the-next-for-jets/?cs=3398

David Lowe's two cents:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4337233/david-lowe-the-lowedown/?cs=3398

[leftrightout]

You know your team is struggling when the opposition coach says stuff like "jets fans really need to stick by their team in times like this"
What does that mean, times like what? We got a brand new rich owner, "times like this" were meant to be a thing of the past.

New owner, same old jets... yet again!

I have been a member since day 1, i am starting to find it really difficult to support the team but

[borat]

You know your team is struggling when the opposition coach says stuff like "jets fans really need to stick by their team in times like this"
What does that mean, times like what? We got a brand new rich owner, "times like this" were meant to be a thing of the past.

New owner, same old jets... yet again!

I have been a member since day 1, i am starting to find it really difficult to support the team but

At least previous owners talked a big game before getting our dreams crushed. Marquee players, glamour friendlies.

All this guy cares about is some free press in China

[6ft11]

Our once great club has become a shambles, f***ing joke!
What else is Arnie going to do than stick up for his mate.
Can't wait to watch players leave and then return in another team to stick it up us.

[Guerny]

Time for a new strategy...
Forget football, lets just go out every week with the explicit purpose of taking out at least one player (preferably more, bonus points for marquees) from the opposition team with a season ending injury.
I'm thinking two footed challenges, head butts, eye gouging, sack wacking, etc

Pros:
- the whole squad is eventually suspended on reds, we don't need to watch them mince around the field any more.
- the whole squad is eventually suspended on reds, we get to blood some youth.
- people will fear our team (rather than feel embarrassed for it).
- the term "mongrel" gets more use.
- memberships soar as the knights fans confuse jets home games as NRL matches.
- our position on the ladder wont get any worse.

Cons:
- none that i can think off

Make it happen people!

G

[Frodo]

Time for a new strategy...
Forget football, lets just go out every week with the explicit purpose of taking out at least one player (preferably more, bonus points for marquees) from the opposition team with a season ending injury.
I'm thinking two footed challenges, head butts, eye gouging, sack wacking, etc

Pros:
- the whole squad is eventually suspended on reds, we don't need to watch them mince around the field any more.
- the whole squad is eventually suspended on reds, we get to blood some youth.
- people will fear our team (rather than feel embarrassed for it).
- the term "mongrel" gets more use.
- memberships soar as the knights fans confuse jets home games as NRL matches.
- our position on the ladder wont get any worse.

Cons:
- none that i can think off

Make it happen people!

G


Con:

Kevin Muscat will eventually be overcome with Kill-Boners and sign himself up as our new player/coach and we will be forced to look at either the front of his head for 90 mins and hate life or be blinded by the sunshine reflecting off the back of his head, AKA his 2nd asshole.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Con:

Kevin Muscat will eventually be overcome with Kill-Boners and sign himself up as our new player/coach and we will be forced to look at either the front of his head for 90 mins and hate life or be blinded by the sunshine reflecting off the back of his head, AKA his 2nd asshole.

Con: Constantine

[Grimario]

Con: Constantine

Pro: Hart

[WolfMan]

What a mess

[Grimario]

We apparently have Adam Hughes on trial or at least training with us.

Given he only has one leg, he can't be much worse than our other defenders who have one working, one injured.


(might have wrong Adam Hughes, so confused)

[Roundball Enthusiast]

We apparently have Adam Hughes on trial or at least training with us.

Given he only has one leg, he can't be much worse than our other defenders who have one working, one injured.


(might have wrong Adam Hughes, so confused)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Hughes_(footballer)

34, midfielder, been in China. Doesn't score goals. We'll sign him. Perfect for us. Give him overs for a has been.

With him, we're building for the future. Right. Right?

[Jeterpool]

We apparently have Adam Hughes on trial or at least training with us.

Given he only has one leg, he can't be much worse than our other defenders who have one working, one injured.


(might have wrong Adam Hughes, so confused)

Don't believe he is here as a trial. Here retaining fitness.

Besides, it doesn't make sense to sign another midfielder when we are well-stocked in that position.

And even then, we don't have a squad spot available so we can't sign him. We need to move someone on.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Don't believe he is here as a trial. Here retaining fitness.

Besides, it doesn't make sense to sign another midfielder when we are well-stocked in that position.

And even then, we don't have a squad spot available so we can't sign him. We need to move someone on.

Pav, Brennan, Cooper. All going in Jan.

[Jeterpool]

Pav, Brennan, Cooper. All going in Jan.

If they agree to

[Roundball Enthusiast]

If they agree to

Or we can push them out. They're all cheap anyway. Just means we don't have $ under the cap.

[Jeterpool]

Or we can push them out. They're all cheap anyway. Just means we don't have $ under the cap.

I think the PFA would have a bit of a say if we tried to move them on forceably.

I'd suggest if it was a simple as just saying "here's your money, go away" the club would have already done it. There wouldn't have been an article in the Herald saying the club want them to leave, which exerpts pressure on the players by making the whole situation public.

[Grimario]

I think the PFA would have a bit of a say if we tried to move them on forceably.

I'd suggest if it was a simple as just saying "here's your money, go away" the club would have already done it. There wouldn't have been an article in the Herald saying the club want them to leave, which exerpts pressure on the players by making the whole situation public.

Why? "Hey bloke, here's the remainder of your contract paid out in full. Go away now" PFA can't complain about that.

[Jeterpool]

Why? "Hey bloke, here's the remainder of your contract paid out in full. Go away now" PFA can't complain about that.

Maybe you're right. Don't know - just postulating.

[Grimario]

Maybe you're right. Don't know - just postulating.

Every other club does it. It's one of the things the dishonourable Membah often whinges about. We are never ruthless with mutual terminations for deadwood that has zero future.

[6ft11]

Staying here what are the three boys going to learn from these monkeys and clowns in charge of this circus?
Wish them all the best but who the hell is going to come to this circus who will change the way we play.

First things first, Kanta's well passed his used by date, is on massive wages and should be the first to go.
BK, sorry old mate, but your time has come.
Thats $400k between two players.


We're worried about flicking the three kids out of the club but we cant see the bigger picture here and thats the terrible on field tactics dished out week after week.

[Jeterpool]

Staying here what are the three boys going to learn from these monkeys and clowns in charge of this circus?
Wish them all the best but who the hell is going to come to this circus who will change the way we play.

First things first, Kanta's well passed his used by date, is on massive wages and should be the first to go.
BK, sorry old mate, but your time has come.
Thats $400k between two players.


We're worried about flicking the three kids out of the club but we cant see the bigger picture here and thats the terrible on field tactics dished out week after week.

Mainly because the 3 kids aren't playing and as such we are playing with a squad of 20, instead of 23?

What would be the point of terminating Kennedy now? He's injured for the season regardless, so we show him some respect by aiding his recovery and let him leave at the end of his contract with dignity, perhaps? Something the club have been criticised for not having in the past - some class?

As for Kanta, he's still contributing to the squad and offers versatility in the squad. He has value for this season at the very least. Why cut our nose off to spite our face?

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I think the PFA would have a bit of a say if we tried to move them on forceably.

I'd suggest if it was a simple as just saying "here's your money, go away" the club would have already done it. There wouldn't have been an article in the Herald saying the club want them to leave, which exerpts pressure on the players by making the whole situation public.

We don't have room in the salary cap to say "here's your money piss off" (Correct me if I am wrong but the PFA can't do shit if we do this option), so we're giving them the option and time to find a club.
Which will then allow us to spend ~$150-200k on another decent player or two mediocre ones.

[Jeterpool]

We don't have room in the salary cap to say "here's your money piss off" (Correct me if I am wrong but the PFA can't do shit if we do this option), so we're giving them the option and time to find a club.
Which will then allow us to spend ~$150-200k on another decent player or two mediocre ones.

In an ideal world, yes.

I'm certainly no expert on how these things work. Not knowing the intracacies of the PFA maybe they would get involved, maybe they wouldn't.

I figured with a termination of an employee, as the union, they'd get involved in some way.

[6ft11]

Club has $200k not spent from salary cap, isn't that right Mr McKinna?
So fingers crossed one or two of these kids moves away from this mess of a club, we will be able to bring in one, maybe two quality players who will be able to execute Jones's tactics on the field and bring us success.
Mr McKinna needs to do more than that to get this club back on track.

[Guerny]

Club needs more "mongrel"!
1) Exit the chaff now (too late to do it in Jan)
2) Tell the remaining "playing" flops to start playing like they want a contract renewal (then DON'T renew their contracts only once the season is done).
3) Sign more Koreans.

[The Dunster]

Club has $200k not spent from salary cap, isn't that right Mr McKinna?
So fingers crossed one or two of these kids moves away from this mess of a club, we will be able to bring in one, maybe two quality players who will be able to execute Jones's tactics on the field and bring us success.
Mr McKinna needs to do more than that to get this club back on track.

McKinna is only the CEO. He follows the instructions of the Chairman / Owner. Do you think he wanted Miller out the door or do you think the instruction was handed down ? Do you think he wanted to not fill any of the Marquee positions available to the club ?

The owner pays the bill and decides what goes on - but when things go to shit and he does nothing to fix it he alone is responsible.

Ripping into Jones and McKinna is ridiculous. If you have an issue with the organ grinder don't kick the monkey in the balls.

[Frodo]

McKinna is only the CEO. He follows the instructions of the Chairman / Owner. Do you think he wanted Miller out the door or do you think the instruction was handed down ? Do you think he wanted to not fill any of the Marquee positions available to the club ?

The owner pays the bill and decides what goes on - but when things go to shit and he does nothing to fix it he alone is responsible.

Ripping into Jones and McKinna is ridiculous. If you have an issue with the organ grinder don't kick the monkey in the balls.

You hit the nail on the head and then head-butted the hammer anyway.

McKinna is the CEO and runs the club, that is exactly what a CEO does.

Yes he has to answer to Mr Lee but he is paid to make calls about the squad and coaching staff. That is why it was him who signed Fyfe and it was him who fired Tranny and Miller when the time came.

Mr Lee is a massive w&nk as well and needs to allow the club to build rather than stagnate as it currently seems to be, but until he is willing to invest money we need to be smarter about where we spend it.

[The Camel]

McKinna is only the CEO. He follows the instructions of the Chairman / Owner. Do you think he wanted Miller out the door or do you think the instruction was handed down ? Do you think he wanted to not fill any of the Marquee positions available to the club ?

The owner pays the bill and decides what goes on - but when things go to shit and he does nothing to fix it he alone is responsible.

Ripping into Jones and McKinna is ridiculous. If you have an issue with the organ grinder don't kick the monkey in the balls.

McKinna might not of wanted Miller out the door but the abortion of a coach Jones is all McKinna. He recommended him as he is one of his best mates. Jones is worse than Stubbins.

[6ft11]

Club needs more "mongrel"!
1) Exit the chaff now (too late to do it in Jan)
2) Tell the remaining "playing" flops to start playing like they want a contract renewal (then DON'T renew their contracts only once the season is done).
3) Sign more Koreans.

Even the last Korean left because of Millers bullshit coaching methods, loved the town, loved the country but Miller... didn't love him or his bull dust.
Carney went because of the same reason and so did Kitto
What's going to want to make any decent Korean come to play for Jones and his bullshit tactics.

[6ft11]

McKinna is only the CEO. He follows the instructions of the Chairman / Owner. Do you think he wanted Miller out the door or do you think the instruction was handed down ? Do you think he wanted to not fill any of the Marquee positions available to the club ?

The owner pays the bill and decides what goes on - but when things go to shit and he does nothing to fix it he alone is responsible.

Ripping into Jones and McKinna is ridiculous. If you have an issue with the organ grinder don't kick the monkey in the balls.



Please... your being taken for a ride.
Mr McKinna is the man running the show for 12 months.
He been given free reign (with in the salary cap) to do as he pleases.
His mate Jonesy is doing the business on the field for him, he has his little muppets running around in the background for him opening and closing deals but rest assured he is the man in charge (until Mr Lee decides to rightfully bring his own in)

[6ft11]

McKinna might not of wanted Miller out the door but the abortion of a coach Jones is all McKinna. He recommended him as he is one of his best mates. Jones is worse than Stubbins.

Hear hear

[6ft11]

I will be the first to call it, as soon as one of these young kids leaves (fingers crossed all three of them leave for their own good, who'd want to be part of this circus!) we sign Fyfe the same day!

:sup:

[The Dunster]

Please... your being taken for a ride.
Mr McKinna is the man running the show for 12 months.
He been given free reign (with in the salary cap) to do as he pleases.
His mate Jonesy is doing the business on the field for him, he has his little muppets running around in the background for him opening and closing deals but rest assured he is the man in charge (until Mr Lee decides to rightfully bring his own in)

It's very unusual for any CEO to act on anything other than the instructions of the board and ultimately the chairman or owner.
If McKinna failed to follow the instructions of the owner he would be out the door as fast as Miller and co were.
The fact that McKinna still has a job supports the fact that he's doing everything Mr Lee is instructing him to do.

Again, you should be questioning the organ grinder not the monkeys.

And please.. It's you're - not your ffs

[Jeterpool]

It's very unusual for any CEO to act on anything other than the instructions of the board and ultimately the chairman or owner.
If McKinna failed to follow the instructions of the owner he would be out the door as fast as Miller and co were.
The fact that McKinna still has a job supports the fact that he's doing everything Mr Lee is instructing him to do.

Again, you should be questioning the organ grinder not the monkeys.

And please.. It's you're - not your ffs

Bingo. McKinna is set a budget. The budget comes from Lee. Lee says how much money is allocated for the fotball department, as well as the marketing department, membership department, media department, etc.

(not directed in reply to Dunster's post)
Listen to the interview we did on the Jetstream with McKinna again. The first thing Lee will do before piling money into the club is make it profitable. The noise coming out about wholesale changes to the squad says to me that they don't see it as good enough to compete. Why not hold onto the marquee money until we have that squad? Maybe we are getting our shit in order off the field, working in the community to help build the brand and attract businesses on board? We've go more sponsors now than we ever have. He's been here for just under 6 months. You think he got rich by going in a throwing money around or taking time to understand the business and choosing the time to invest?

We are getting to the end of the trash Miller had to deal with when he joined post Stubbins. He came in an refused to sign anyone to more than 2 year deals, and not for longer than he was expected to last, so he didn't leave the next coach with a heap of dead wood squad - this off season is the first of those where we have that luxury. This is the first off season in probably 3 where we can make some serious moves in the player market.

[MFKS]

I bet you we don't

We will have a hard enough time convincing good players to come here

We will have no chance of convincing a very good player to come here either.

The only way out of this is getting our foreigners right
By right I mean not signing blokes like Wayne Brown to 3 years at the club

Signing some quality Yoof
We done that before

Signing some quality HAL standard players.
We don't do that ever


Basically we are ****ed until Lee opens the wallet.


As for your points about building u der Ledman. I would say we are actually going backwards under them at the moment.

FFA have a lot to answer for. They got the owner right at WSW. They got the owner right at Heart.

Yet the dumb ****s have ****ed over Newy once again by finding us this bloke who has so far offered us nothing to indicate this shit going to change soon

Matter of fact he is losing the goodwill he was given

[PC14]

We are getting to the end of the trash Miller had to deal with when he joined post Stubbins. He came in an refused to sign anyone to more than 2 year deals, and not for longer than he was expected to last, so he didn't leave the next coach with a heap of dead wood squad - this off season is the first of those where we have that luxury. This is the first off season in probably 3 where we can make some serious moves in the player market.

9 rounds in and we're discussing the new offseason.

[hawk]

relax, FFA are stoked with Lee.

Took our sorry asses off their hands and ensured that we are out of contention so the Sydneys and melbournes remain in semi contention for the big gates.

[plague]

If Leo Messi's name was Wayne Brown he would be a shit footballer.
Wayne Brown is not a footballers name.
**** that Gypo McKinna for signing a bloke called Wayne Brown.

[Jeterpool]

9 rounds in and we're discussing the new offseason.

If that's all you took from my post, that's your prerogative. This is the squad thread. I'm discussing the squad.
We

[StannyCFCJET]

You hit the nail on the head and then head-butted the hammer anyway.

McKinna is the CEO and runs the club, that is exactly what a CEO does.

Yes he has to answer to Mr Lee but he is paid to make calls about the squad and coaching staff. That is why it was him who signed Fyfe and it was him who fired Tranny and Miller when the time came.

Mr Lee is a massive w&nk as well and needs to allow the club to build rather than stagnate as it currently seems to be, but until he is willing to invest money we need to be smarter about where we spend it.

As far as i was aware the Miller sacking was something Mckinna had no say in.

[turbojetfireV8]

9 rounds in and we're discussing the new offseason.

discussing the next offseason is the only glimmer of hope we have when we are faced with such directionless, disheartening garbage onfield - especially when our play is deteriorating rather than improving without trying to make excuses by blaming it all on injuries...

[OmeletteDuFromage]

Now we're in for Smeltz. Thoughts?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/12/07/smeltz-newcastles-radar-january-transfer-window

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Now we're in for Smeltz. Thoughts?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/12/07/smeltz-newcastles-radar-january-transfer-window

Old, hasn't played in about a year? Probably unfit, we'll sign him for 2-3 years.

[lquiquer]

Now we're in for Smeltz. Thoughts?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/12/07/smeltz-newcastles-radar-january-transfer-window

Has he got an Australian passport?

[Hunter403]

Smeltz. Past it. Move on. Waste of money. Better off getting Griff back.

[Tommyjet]

Has he got an Australian passport?

Yes

[turbojetfireV8]

Now we're in for Smeltz. Thoughts?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/12/07/smeltz-newcastles-radar-january-transfer-window

Can't remember him scoring too many his last season here before he went off to a lower league in Asia did he? Also, after the Neil Young incident I think signing him might not be a very popular move, a bit like wanting Mrdja on your team...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4341925/winger-looks-to-future-as-jets-shoot-for-glory/?cs=3398

Can Nabbout provide a badly needed spark to our very dank campaign?

[leftrightout]

Smeltz is about as top quality that we are realistically going to get. At least he has a goal scoring record in the A-league, i would be all for it as long as it was only for the back half of this season. If he comes in and does well, shows he isn't too old than give him another year.

[Retro Jet]

Now we're in for Smeltz. Thoughts?

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/12/07/smeltz-newcastles-radar-january-transfer-window

We're going to try to win games by taking the oppositions main keeper out.
Plan will fail miserably because we don't shoot and test replacement puppy keeper in goals...or field player.
Wouldn't make a difference with us!

[MFKS]

Smeltz is about as top quality that we are realistically going to get. At least he has a goal scoring record in the A-league, i would be all for it as long as it was only for the back half of this season. If he comes in and does well, shows he isn't too old than give him another year.
That type of logic is basically our shit club in a nut she'll

Gambling on long shots


I appreciate that everything in life is a gamblie but we take the 100-1 roughy everytime in the hope it comes in


We actually need signings where we know for a fact that this bloke can deliver at this level.

Not more blokes who may do it.


We have a squad full of those

[rhysd]

Bingo. McKinna is set a budget. The budget comes from Lee. Lee says how much money is allocated for the fotball department, as well as the marketing department, membership department, media department, etc.

(not directed in reply to Dunster's post)
Listen to the interview we did on the Jetstream with McKinna again. The first thing Lee will do before piling money into the club is make it profitable. The noise coming out about wholesale changes to the squad says to me that they don't see it as good enough to compete. Why not hold onto the marquee money until we have that squad? Maybe we are getting our shit in order off the field, working in the community to help build the brand and attract businesses on board? We've go more sponsors now than we ever have. He's been here for just under 6 months. You think he got rich by going in a throwing money around or taking time to understand the business and choosing the time to invest?

We are getting to the end of the trash Miller had to deal with when he joined post Stubbins. He came in an refused to sign anyone to more than 2 year deals, and not for longer than he was expected to last, so he didn't leave the next coach with a heap of dead wood squad - this off season is the first of those where we have that luxury. This is the first off season in probably 3 where we can make some serious moves in the player market.

Might be the best post I've ever read

[leftrightout]

That type of logic is basically our shit club in a nut she'll

Gambling on long shots


I appreciate that everything in life is a gamblie but we take the 100-1 roughy everytime in the hope it comes in


We actually need signings where we know for a fact that this bloke can deliver at this level.

Not more blokes who may do it.


We have a squad full of those


I agree 100% but we have to be realistic right now, how many players of the quality you are after are free agents right now, are Australian, and would come to the jets.

We are in a situation that is shit in regards to our playing roster. Unfortunately we are pretty hamstrung right now and are guaranteed to have a terrible season. Hopefully in the next few things can start to turn, but we need some serious help!

[plague]

Smeltz scores tap ins, he's good at them.

Signing him would indicate the rest of those bozos can get the ball in the box for him to shoot.

We can't.


Next plz.

[Frodo]

I'm quite happy to not sign anyone mid season unless they are a level above what we have.

Or we should just not sign anyone until pre season at all. Save any pennies we have to poach players (AKA overpay) from other clubs in the off season and start as fresh as possible.

I'm pretty sick of the argument that comes up "so and so didn't sign him therefore he can't be expected to coach him?". Let's have a clean slate and then, when we are inevitably shite again next year, i'd like to see what the next excuse is? Just out of curiosity...

[Frodo]

What are the chances of stealing Sorenson at season's end and giving him a player/coaching role?

Can't get a game at Citeh, is still a decent shot-stopper.

Does anyone know if we can also pay him as a coach outside of the salary cap to dodge the rules a bit?

[Grimario]

Smeltz is about as top quality that we are realistically going to get. At least he has a goal scoring record in the A-league, i would be all for it as long as it was only for the back half of this season. If he comes in and does well, shows he isn't too old than give him another year.

Might as well sign Archie Thompson. Has he ever caved our GK's face in?

[GazFish35]

I would say we are actually going backwards under them at the moment.



it what ways?
beside injury rates and points accrued?

[q-money]

rofl i just read jones wants to sign mark bridge

i'm out, see ya

[The Camel]

rofl i just read jones wants to sign mark bridge

i'm out, see ya

But, But Jones was the brains behind our premiership apparently. ****in pretender. Griff was the brains behind our premiership

[Jeterpool]

rofl i just read jones wants to sign mark bridge

i'm out, see ya

Where is that!?!?

[Grimario]

Where is that!?!?

Robert Dillon ‏@robertdillon174 44m44 minutes ago
Coach Mark Jones says @NewcastleJetsFC exploring transfer market. If they can offload players, Mark Bridge and Shane Smeltz could be targets

[The Dunster]

Robert Dillon ‏@robertdillon174 44m44 minutes ago
Coach Mark Jones says @NewcastleJetsFC exploring transfer market. If they can offload players, Mark Bridge and Shane Smeltz could be targets

I'd only sign Smeltz if he comes with a set of spare Goal Keepers.

Never heard of Mark Bridge - but looked at some video and his ankles look suspect.

[halo se7en]

Smeltz scores tap ins, he's good at them.

Signing him would indicate the rest of those bozos can get the ball in the box for him to shoot.

We can't.


Next plz.

To be fair, Nabbout seems to be able to do this. If we could get Nabbout and either Kokko/Nordstrand fit and on the pitch at the same time, we may have had a little more luck up front.

[lquiquer]

Robert Dillon ‏@robertdillon174 44m44 minutes ago
Coach Mark Jones says @NewcastleJetsFC exploring transfer market. If they can offload players, Mark Bridge and Shane Smeltz could be targets

Nicky Carle next ? FFS......:facepalm:

[Jeterpool]

A bit of a journeyman, but I reckon we could get some use out of him. Gotta be better than Brennan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Drovandi


On a side note...see he's changed his nickname from "The Bullet"??

[MFKS]

Just seen Baartz at a funeral today


Still doesn't think we should sign Smeltz

[MFKS]

To be fair, Nabbout seems to be able to do this. If we could get Nabbout and either Kokko/Nordstrand fit and on the pitch at the same time, we may have had a little more luck up front.

I think you being overtly generous to Nabbout

He looks good as the rest of us look shit.

I still ain't seeing how he walks into another HAL side


He is actually trying to play. That is what stands out with him and his peers.

The rest of them have been shackled that long they have forgotten to play.

Don't worry Newcastle will beat that hope out of him

[MFKS]

it what ways?
beside injury rates and points accrued?
I actually think this season there is a level of apathy amongst the fans that hasn't been seen since the days of Muppet v Griff and the sandpit


I and look think our players look shot to bits confidence wise. The same disease they got under Muppet.


It almost like they have said here we go again and have just accepted the inevitable

[Apollo Creed]

rofl i just read jones wants to sign mark bridge

i'm out, see ya

my guess is!
bridgey NEW yoof coach or good ole klaka, back to yoof and bridge, jones assistant

another option, would be GVE CEO, Griffo's whole family as marquees, Gidley, Harragon and Johnsie part of the coaching and management team, lets see how many times we can recycle failures in Newy
sack them all, change name and start again FINAL!
disgrace to football and the town

[Grimario]

Fyfe injury replacement contract over.

People on FB are crying out for him to be signed.

[Hunter403]

Fyfe injury replacement contract over.

People on FB are crying out for him to be signed.

All things considered, he hasn't been too bad. I don;t think we should sign him but we also shouldn't bag him. He came and did his job as well as his fitness and age allowed.

[stopper2]

Fyfe injury replacement contract over.

People on FB are crying out for him to be signed.

This is what shits me nowadays, sure everyone can have an opinion but it also helps to have an "educated opinion" on how the system works.
Okay people want the club to keep Fyfe but do they realise our squad is full and you can't just add a player into the squad unless you release a player by mutual agreement in the january transfer window.

[hawk]

Weak ankles Bridge?

The only help Jones gave GVE in 08 was his coffee and a rubntug. butthead he is.

[plague]

Weak ankles Bridge?


i just checked the internet, and do you blokes realise he has never even scored a goal at A-League level*?

Stubbins OUT.


(*not sure about assists tho, could be a deal breaker)

[halo se7en]

I actually think this season there is a level of apathy amongst the fans that hasn't been seen since the days of Muppet v Griff and the sandpit


I and look think our players look shot to bits confidence wise. The same disease they got under Muppet.


It almost like they have said here we go again and have just accepted the inevitable

And you don't think this coincides with the change of coach?

[turbojetfireV8]

my guess is!
bridgey NEW yoof coach or good ole klaka, back to yoof and bridge, jones assistant

another option, would be GVE CEO, Griffo's whole family as marquees, Gidley, Harragon and Johnsie part of the coaching and management team, lets see how many times we can recycle failures in Newy
sack them all, change name and start again FINAL!
disgrace to football and the town

don't forget to bring in O'Davis as well, at least he used to get on the hill to watch the Breakers with the Rowdies, none of those other plastics did...

[Roundball Enthusiast]

I bet The Member looks at every player in every A League squad and says they're shit. No pleasing him. Don't know why he was ever unbanned tbh.

[MFKS]

And you don't think this coincides with the change of coach?

Maybe for some of you plastic blow ins Miller being shown the door may have been the push you needed

Me I been here a long time ago


Personally I couldn't give too ****ing that Miller was sacked.
His record last season was nothing to brag about.
His signings last season and this have been well below par.


Yet for some reason some people think he is the second coming of Alex Ferguson and the greatest coach of all time.
The bloke spent most of last season parking the bus playing a 8 man DM formation FFS and if it wasn't for Birraz we would have lost more games and conceded a shit load more.

How quickly people forget

[halo se7en]

Maybe for some of you plastic blow ins Miller being shown the door may have been the push you needed

Me I been here a long time ago


Personally I couldn't give too ****ing that Miller was sacked.
His record last season was nothing to brag about.
His signings last season and this have been well below par.


Yet for some reason some people think he is the second coming of Alex Ferguson and the greatest coach of all time.
The bloke spent most of last season parking the bus playing a 8 man DM formation FFS and if it wasn't for Birraz we would have lost more games and conceded a shit load more.

How quickly people forget

You give Jones the benefit of the doubt because he's 'cleaning up Millers mess'. Who's mess did Miller did have to clean up? Talk about quickly forgetting.

And what resources did Miller have? ****ing zero, that's what.

[turbojetfireV8]

https://www.facebook.com/nbntelevision/videos/10154849019773331/

NBN's cut-short story tonight

[Premy]

http://www.thesportbible.com/pub-talk/take-a-bow-reactions-50-free-agents-your-team-could-buy-in-the-january-transfer-window-20161207

Since we're talking transfers, someone forward this tonMarty.

[leftrightout]

Is there any in between with you MFKS?
Are players either Ronaldo or Pinto (our famous Jesse, that is!)?
Coaches, Sir Alex or GVE?

You do realise that just because players/coaches/clubs aren't world class, that doesn't make them shit!

Now i am not saying our club isn't shit, we are an absolute shambles and in need of a lot fixing. But not everyone in the club is shit! To say Nabbout wouldn't get a start at any other A-league club is laughable, in his early season form he would have walked in to most teams. FFS even Mitch Austin has been starting here and there for Victory!

We do have some good in this club!

[MFKS]

Is there any in between with you MFKS?
Are players either Ronaldo or Pinto (our famous Jesse, that is!)?
Coaches, Sir Alex or GVE?

You do realise that just because players/coaches/clubs aren't world class, that doesn't make them shit!

Now i am not saying our club isn't shit, we are an absolute shambles and in need of a lot fixing. But not everyone in the club is shit! To say Nabbout wouldn't get a start at any other A-league club is laughable, in his early season form he would have walked in to most teams. FFS even Mitch Austin has been starting here and there for Victory!

We do have some good in this club!

For a start Nabbout couldn't get a regular run at Victory
That is a fact

When he was released every HAL club knocked him back

He went and played OS in Malaysia

The only idiots willing to give him a go is us.

That pretty much indicative of what his chances are of getting are start elsewhere are.

As for the rest of our squad Boogaard and Duncan the only blokes with a hope in he'll of getting into a rival side.


Take the rose coloured glasses off.

We ate are team of shit players so lose the delusions of grandeur about them

[MFKS]

You give Jones the benefit of the doubt because he's 'cleaning up Millers mess'. Who's mess did Miller did have to clean up? Talk about quickly forgetting.

And what resources did Miller have? ****ing zero, that's what.
Miller at least had the benefit of a full pre season and the ability to sign a pile of players .

Jones has had 3 weeks to come in and work with the shit Miller left him.


Hey don't think I rate Jones.

Don't mistake that.

I just realistic enough to actually let him sign a couple of players of his choosing and work it out before making a call on his ability.

Miller had his chance

Didn't take it.

Jones time soon to start cobbling this shit together and actually showing us the light at the end of the tunnel

[plague]

I'm still looking for this Pinto v Ronaldo thread I have a few thoughts on the matter.

[De-Champ]

For a start Nabbout couldn't get a regular run at Victory
That is a fact

When he was released every HAL club knocked him back

He went and played OS in Malaysia

The only idiots willing to give him a go is us.

That pretty much indicative of what his chances are of getting are start elsewhere are.

As for the rest of our squad Boogaard and Duncan the only blokes with a hope in he'll of getting into a rival side.


Take the rose coloured glasses off.

We ate are team of shit players so lose the delusions of grandeur about them

So what.
Pele was rejected by the first club he went to and look what he achieved.

[The Camel]

Miller at least had the benefit of a full pre season and the ability to sign a pile of players .

Jones has had 3 weeks to come in and work with the shit Miller left him.


Hey don't think I rate Jones.

Don't mistake that.

I just realistic enough to actually let him sign a couple of players of his choosing and work it out before making a call on his ability.

Miller had his chance

Didn't take it.

Jones time soon to start cobbling this shit together and actually showing us the light at the end of the tunnel

Jones has taken Miller's squad backwards by a ****ing long way, pretty much worse than where we finished with Stubbins. Maybe, just maybe the defensive set up last year was because Stubbins left us with a complete shambles of a squad and the FFA gave us about $5 to spend on players. We massively improved our results under Miller even though the football was not great at times. Miller signed some more players but on the same bloody budget that the FFA had given him, Lee has spent nothing. Jones comes in and takes us back to playing shit football with no confidence and no heart, just like under Stubbins, probably even worse

[leftrightout]

For a start Nabbout couldn't get a regular run at Victory
That is a fact

When he was released every HAL club knocked him back

He went and played OS in Malaysia

The only idiots willing to give him a go is us.

That pretty much indicative of what his chances are of getting are start elsewhere are.

As for the rest of our squad Boogaard and Duncan the only blokes with a hope in he'll of getting into a rival side.


Take the rose coloured glasses off.

We ate are team of shit players so lose the delusions of grandeur about them


You are an extremist, aren't you!
I say the club is a shambles but not every single part of it is shit and you say i have delusions of grandeur? There are no rose coloured glasses here!
I have been a member since season 1 and i have never found it so hard to support the team (and that's saying something considering how poor our results have been on the park for a while) but to say everything is shit, it's just not true. Is there a lot of shit things in the club? Yes there is, football wise it needs to improve. Are there any good things in the club? Absolutely there is!


Do you think Man Utd would have signed Riyad Mahrez before he showed the kind of form he did? It only takes a player to get a chance with a club to show what they are capable of before others want them. What you are saying is because no A-league club wanted to sign Nabbout, before he showed his early season form, he obviously isn’t good enough to get a run for those clubs even if his form is really good?

He is still young, developing physically and mentally. But still, he wasn’t signed by an a-league club 3 years ago so he must be no good, I mean look at Tom Rogic, its obvious that someone overlooked by a-league clubs is shit!

I’m sorry, I’m sorry, there's those delusions again….. he is wearing a jets jersey in season 16/17, so even someone in good form and developing as a player the best he can, he is completely useless!

[Jetmaster]

:popcorn:

[MFKS]

You ****s are good.

Here I am calmly saying that Jones isn't the problem here. It the useless players and mess left behind by others that the problem here.

Jones time will come when he expected to stand up and deliver.


Until he don't have a squad decimated by isn't jury and also gets to sign some of his own players I prepared to be attention and accept the status quo


Yet you ****s losing the plot about Jones.


Me I am at least being fair and nd balanced here but you Millertime sycophants are the ones throwing him under the bus.

[plague]

Until he don't have a squad decimated by isn't jury and also gets to sign some of his own players I prepared to be attention and accept the status quo


are you typing this in Hebrew then using google translator to try and make it english?

[halo se7en]

are you typing this in Hebrew then using google translator to try and make it english?

He's drunk. It's the only explanation for his argument.

MFKS, I've already stated numerous times that if we had our best XI available, we'd be giving the top 6 a much better shout. Miller came in when this club was at its absolute lowest, which is saying something. He signed a few decent players, got some stability back, and even when the club had a rough patch mid-season, he made some astute signings in January and got us back on track. This off-season, he made a few more decent signings. So Hoole wasn't one of them. Name one manger in world football that has got 100% of their signings right? Keeping in mind that Lee isn't exactly forthcoming with his chequebook, it's fair to say he was limited with his budget again.

Jones hasn't done a single positive thing of note. Even with our injuries, our squad players should be busting their arse out on the field to prove a point. That's not happening so where's the motivation? The players seemed to really buy into Miller's plan and you could see it on the pitch most of the time. The players who shone under Miller, like Uga and Nordstrand have gone missing, and I also thought Vujica (another of Miller's signing) was doing pretty well for a young kid in the opening rounds of the season yet he's been pushed back to the bench for no real reason, although Jones has been happy to persist with fellow youngster Koutroumbis who's had his share of f-ups.

You don't have to like Miller. But to criticise him with the same reasoning you use to defend Jones is utterly ridiculous.

[leftrightout]

You ****s are good.

Here I am calmly saying that Jones isn't the problem here. It the useless players and mess left behind by others that the problem here.

Jones time will come when he expected to stand up and deliver.


Until he don't have a squad decimated by isn't jury and also gets to sign some of his own players I prepared to be attention and accept the status quo


Yet you ****s losing the plot about Jones.


Me I am at least being fair and nd balanced here but you Millertime sycophants are the ones throwing him under the bus.

Me losing the plot? I didn't mention Jones once.... how did we get there?

[MFKS]

are you typing this in Hebrew then using google translator to try and make it english?

Typing on phone


Likes doing the predictive thing on me

Pain in the Arsenal

[plague]

Typing on phone


Likes doing the predictive thing on me

Pain in the Arsenal

You still da greatest.

[MFKS]

He's drunk. It's the only explanation for his argument.

MFKS, I've already stated numerous times that if we had our best XI available, we'd be giving the top 6 a much better shout. Miller came in when this club was at its absolute lowest, which is saying something. He signed a few decent players, got some stability back, and even when the club had a rough patch mid-season, he made some astute signings in January and got us back on track. This off-season, he made a few more decent signings. So Hoole wasn't one of them. Name one manger in world football that has got 100% of their signings right? Keeping in mind that Lee isn't exactly forthcoming with his chequebook, it's fair to say he was limited with his budget again.

Jones hasn't done a single positive thing of note. Even with our injuries, our squad players should be busting their arse out on the field to prove a point. That's not happening so where's the motivation? The players seemed to really buy into Miller's plan and you could see it on the pitch most of the time. The players who shone under Miller, like Uga and Nordstrand have gone missing, and I also thought Vujica (another of Miller's signing) was doing pretty well for a young kid in the opening rounds of the season yet he's been pushed back to the bench for no real reason, although Jones has been happy to persist with fellow youngster Koutroumbis who's had his share of f-ups.

You don't have to like Miller. But to criticise him with the same reasoning you use to defend Jones is utterly ridiculous.

I will disagree about us shaking the top 6.

We are a 7-10 side

Even with The Special One Millertime we ain't beating Smurfs heart Victory Wanderers Perth Roar Over the course of a season
Let's not even worry about the Champions.

Bag Jones all you like.

Until he actually makes a ****ing decision then it a bit hard to criticise him for the mess we are in.


You want to blame some one.

Ledman Gypo Miller are all 100000 times culpable than the bloke given the keys to this ****ed up club

[lquiquer]

Name one manager in world football that has got 100% of their signings right?
.

Pep Gombau

[lquiquer]

****ing spoon is ours......watch these pricks in Gosford throwing a couple of thousand of the bastards on the pitch towards away bay in round 26 #JonesOut

[monz6]

We're going to try to win games by taking the oppositions main keeper out.
Plan will fail miserably because we don't shoot and test replacement puppy keeper in goals...or field player.
Wouldn't make a difference with us!

Worked last year against Mariners. Kitto took out the keeper in the first minute and we scored from that and won!

[MFKS]

****ing spoon is ours......watch these pricks in Gosford throwing a couple of thousand of the bastards on the pitch towards away bay in round 26 #JonesOut
Would be a traumatic prospect except the Gypos don't have big enough of a crowd to make it look good

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Maybe for some of you plastic blow ins Miller being shown the door may have been the push you needed

Me I been here a long time ago


Personally I couldn't give too ****ing that Miller was sacked.
His record last season was nothing to brag about.
His signings last season and this have been well below par.


Yet for some reason some people think he is the second coming of Alex Ferguson and the greatest coach of all time.
The bloke spent most of last season parking the bus playing a 8 man DM formation FFS and if it wasn't for Birraz we would have lost more games and conceded a shit load more.

How quickly people forget

For me personally it wasn't that I felt Miller was 'the greatest coach of all time', it was more the groundhog day situation of changing coach so close to the season and the collective sense from supporters of 'here we go again'.

[halo se7en]

This...



Bag Jones all you like.

Until he actually makes a ****ing decision then it a bit hard to criticise him for the mess we are in.


Then this... all in the same post...



You want to blame some one.

Ledman Gypo Miller are all 100000 times culpable than the bloke given the keys to this ****ed up club

FFS :deadhorse:

[monz6]

I find it interesting that here we all are hoping for a marquee. Everyone knows the situation isnt good enough and hasn't been for years. But then the W League side loses its keeper and quickly and effectively signs an overseas experienced keeper and they cop ***t for it. Get bagged for "not giving a local a go". Like there's at least 5 locals in that squad. Probably more. How as a coach or owner can you win in Newcastle. It's the impossible job. I get no one can make everyone happy but as a town and fan base we are a confusing bunch

[Jeterpool]

I find it interesting that here we all are hoping for a marquee. Everyone knows the situation isnt good enough and hasn't been for years. But then the W League side loses its keeper and quickly and effectively signs an overseas experienced keeper and they cop ***t for it. Get bagged for "not giving a local a go". Like there's at least 5 locals in that squad. Probably more. How as a coach or owner can you win in Newcastle. It's the impossible job. I get no one can make everyone happy but as a town and fan base we are a confusing bunch

How true that is.

I gotta say, as I think Hawk said before in another thread, start winning and it all goes away.

[lquiquer]

Would be a traumatic prospect except the Gypos don't have big enough of a crowd to make it look good

:roflz:

[6ft11]

All things considered, he hasn't been too bad. I don;t think we should sign him but we also shouldn't bag him. He came and did his job as well as his fitness and age allowed.

Fyfe cost us two goals down in Melbourne, are serious???

[lquiquer]

Fyfe cost us two goals down in Melbourne, are serious???

I would blame young Johnny for the second one (His pass to Fyfe was near impossible to deal with)......You a bit harsh regarding the first one considering it was a deflection.....

[skullboy]

So what.
Pele was rejected by the first club he went to and look what he achieved.

Geez - don't get him started on Pele.....

[MFKS]

For me personally it wasn't that I felt Miller was 'the greatest coach of all time', it was more the groundhog day situation of changing coach so close to the season and the collective sense from supporters of 'here we go again'.
Would have to agree with that.

I felt the same way when word filtered through that Millertime had got the arse.

Here we go again.

Same old Newy


I though couldn't give two ****s he was sacked

His record and ability suggested he should have been

Timing of it to go through all of pre season was terrible

Ledman and the Gypo CEO should have fired his arse day 1

Given themselves time to find us a decent coach and have a go this season.


Problem is now we once again waiting for next year .

As for Jones there are a few issues I am seeing that are concerning but until he is allowed to make some signings the bloke is just the one putting lipstick on a pig.

He has a pile of useless players who are not good enough for this level and never will be.

Until he has a chance to address this he can not be judged fairly.

#Member_Fair&Balanced.com

[MFKS]

This...



Then this... all in the same post...



FFS :deadhorse:

Miller was the bloke who signed Kantarovski for the umpteenth time to a new deal.
From what Kanta showed last year it wasn't warranted.

That is a clear as day example of him being negligent in his role


McKinna has been around football long enough to know what a good side looks like. If he didn't act to get either Ledman to open the wallet he is negligent. If he allowed Millertime to sign all this chaff then he is also negligent in his role.

Ledman is the one paying the bills and running the club once again on the smell of an oily rag. They have actually shot themselves in the foot this year if they actually have any intent to make us good.

Because they have actually dragged us further behind the rivals with their reluctance to act pro actively


Yet you wish to blame the bloke applying the lipstick to the pig as responsible? ?

Go figure your logic

[lquiquer]

Would have to agree with that.

I felt the same way when word filtered through that Millertime had got the arse.

Here we go again.

Same old Newy


I though couldn't give two ****s he was sacked

His record and ability suggested he should have been

Timing of it to go through all of pre season was terrible

Ledman and the Gypo CEO should have fired his arse day 1

Given themselves time to find us a decent coach and have a go this season.


Problem is now we once again waiting for next year .

As for Jones there are a few issues I am seeing that are concerning but until he is allowed to make some signings the bloke is just the one putting lipstick on a pig.

He has a pile of useless players who are not good enough for this level and never will be.

Until he has a chance to address this he can not be judged fairly.

#Member_Fair&Balanced.com

Reasons to sack Miller still appears dodgy to me......As far as I am concern the coach is the Boss and if he wanted Trani gone then so be it. Timing was appalling and if Gypo CEO's didn't support decision to sack Miller (as he claims), then he should have said to Lee: "If Miller goes....I Go" He didn't........ Now we stuck with Jones who quite frankly should have said from the start to Lee: U spend $$$ or I don't want the job...... No point to tell everyone we got the cattle ( when we clearly don't) to make finals just to get the job. Jones tactics also appear dodgy to me......5 at the back against FC at home (First game) was a disaster considering we were undefeated at that stage.....

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

Would have to agree with that.

I felt the same way when word filtered through that Millertime had got the arse.

Here we go again.

Same old Newy


I though couldn't give two ****s he was sacked

His record and ability suggested he should have been

Timing of it to go through all of pre season was terrible

Ledman and the Gypo CEO should have fired his arse day 1

Given themselves time to find us a decent coach and have a go this season.


Problem is now we once again waiting for next year .

As for Jones there are a few issues I am seeing that are concerning but until he is allowed to make some signings the bloke is just the one putting lipstick on a pig.

He has a pile of useless players who are not good enough for this level and never will be.

Until he has a chance to address this he can not be judged fairly.

#Member_Fair&Balanced.com

Keep going with the fair and balanced. It actually suits you.

[halo se7en]

Miller was the bloke who signed Kantarovski for the umpteenth time to a new deal.
From what Kanta showed last year it wasn't warranted.

That is a clear as day example of him being negligent in his role


McKinna has been around football long enough to know what a good side looks like. If he didn't act to get either Ledman to open the wallet he is negligent. If he allowed Millertime to sign all this chaff then he is also negligent in his role.

Ledman is the one paying the bills and running the club once again on the smell of an oily rag. They have actually shot themselves in the foot this year if they actually have any intent to make us good.

Because they have actually dragged us further behind the rivals with their reluctance to act pro actively


Yet you wish to blame the bloke applying the lipstick to the pig as responsible? ?

Go figure your logic

I never said Jones was responsible, hence my willingness to back Miller considering the management he had behind him. Answer me this: if Lee & Mckinna start getting their shit together and we start signing players worthy of top 4 or better, is Jones the man you want at the helm?

[Jardelsimage]

I never said Jones was responsible, hence my willingness to back Miller considering the management he had behind him. Answer me this: if Lee & Mckinna start getting their shit together and we start signing players worthy of top 4 or better, is Jones the man you want at the helm?

no

[MFKS]

I never said Jones was responsible, hence my willingness to back Miller considering the management he had behind him. Answer me this: if Lee & Mckinna start getting their shit together and we start signing players worthy of top 4 or better, is Jones the man you want at the helm?

On your hypothetical scenario.

When that happens you would want an experienced man in the role.

Issue with Jones is he is an unproven quantity.

He may be very good when he identifies and signs players

We may look much better if we have players with various skills or physical traits that are currently missing from this squad.

Jones is really an unknown quantity and will remain one for a while yet

[halo se7en]

On your hypothetical scenario.

When that happens you would want an experienced man in the role.

Issue with Jones is he is an unproven quantity.

He may be very good when he identifies and signs players

We may look much better if we have players with various skills or physical traits that are currently missing from this squad.

Jones is really an unknown quantity and will remain one for a while yet

I guess what I find hypocritical is that you said this on the day Miller was announced as coach



Gonna call a spade a spade and say I am not ****ing impressed one little bit.

FFA launch a world wide search and come up with a rank outsider who no **** has ever heard of and who's resume is quite frankly weak as piss

The blokes coaching experience is what??

A season coaching a Yoof team in England.

The rest of the time his experience is related to Fitness Coaching.

Hey I expect us to be fit under him. Tactics and the rest of the shit may be a bit iffy.

One hell of a ****ing gamble this

**** ME DEAD


Miller came in when we were holding the spoon, and with no owner and basically 0 funds.

And yet you're reserving judgement on Jones who has what experience exactly? He's led us to 1 win in 9, which arguably came before he even stamped his own style on the team. His tactics have been somewhat bizarre as has his team selections. He's now suggesting we bring back Bridge or Smeltz when I don't think our attacking options are the main concern right now. And I'll put my ****ing house on him re-signing Kantarovski.

[The Dunster]

I guess what I find hypocritical is that you said this on the day Miller was announced as coach



Miller came in when we were holding the spoon, and with no owner and basically 0 funds.

And yet you're reserving judgement on Jones who has what experience exactly? He's led us to 1 win in 9, which arguably came before he even stamped his own style on the team. His tactics have been somewhat bizarre as has his team selections. He's now suggesting we bring back Bridge or Smeltz when I don't think our attacking options are the main concern right now. And I'll put my ****ing house on him re-signing Kantarovski.

Jones was the assistant when the teams best season and the following year when they won the grand final, and during Branko's stint he put a lot of work in with the team [ along with Ljubo] when Branko himself had simply pissed off home. Which shows he's someone not afraid of a challenge. Unlike Miller who did not have the balls to square off with an assistant he didn't want around.

Is he a world beater ? No. But he was probably a less risky proposition than Miller ever was.

[plague]

Jones was the assistant when the teams best season and the following year when they won the grand final, and during Branko's stint he put a lot of work in with the team [ along with Ljubo] when Branko himself had simply pissed off home. Which shows he's someone not afraid of a challenge. Unlike Miller who did not have the balls to square off with an assistant he didn't want around.

Is he a world beater ? No. But he was probably a less risky proposition than Miller ever was.

Rado is the greatest wing man in football history but stank the joint up when given the keys to the executive washroom.

[lil_masi]

Pavicevic leaves jets

[Jeterpool]

Pavicevic leaves jets

Confirmed?

[The Dunster]

Rado is the greatest wing man in football history but stank the joint up when given the keys to the executive washroom.

Very true. Miller and Jones are probably carved from the same stone.

[lil_masi]

Yes it is. Herald article

[halo se7en]

Jones was the assistant when the teams best season and the following year when they won the grand final, and during Branko's stint he put a lot of work in with the team [ along with Ljubo] when Branko himself had simply pissed off home. Which shows he's someone not afraid of a challenge. Unlike Miller who did not have the balls to square off with an assistant he didn't want around.

Is he a world beater ? No. But he was probably a less risky proposition than Miller ever was.

Might as well just get GVE back with that logic.

And I thought Miller squaring off with Trani was what got him sacked.

[The Dunster]

Might as well just get GVE back with that logic.

And I thought Miller squaring off with Trani was what got him sacked.

I agree that GVE would have been a less risky proposition than Miller. But he's also proven to be not up to the job and has been known to negotiate his future elsewhere without permission while still under contract. So GVE is definetly not someone I would want at the club.

Miller didn't have the people skills required to lead the club. It was evident at press conferences and it was evident with the Trani debacle. He should have solved it or he should have approached the CEO to solve it for him.

You see what leadership is all about with Ernie Merrick's resignation. He basically said his team had the players but not the results and he held himself solely responsible for their position on the ladder.

[MFKS]

Pavicevic leaves jets
Congratulations to Gypo CEO and Jones to actually get this done.

This is the type of thing competent clubs can do.

See a player has no future and get rid of them.


Just goes to show it is possible.

Now onto Brennan and Cooper

[StannyCFCJET]

Congratulations to Gypo CEO and Jones to actually get this done.

This is the type of thing competent clubs can do.

See a player has no future and get rid of them.


Just goes to show it is possible.

Now onto Brennan and Cooper

Add hoole mullen and kanta to that list

[lquiquer]

Add hoole mullen and kanta to that list

Don't forget Hoffman.......

[StannyCFCJET]

Don't forget Hoffman.......

I like hoffman was really good last year. Just needs to find his form again

[380]

Hoff can't and never has been able to deliver a decent cross into the box to save himself. No idea when he gets forward State league material.

[plague]

State league material.

Oh homie you gotta be real careful with statements like that they can come back and bite you on the ass.

cc: Member

[lquiquer]

Oh homie you gotta be real careful with statements like that they can come back and bite you on the ass.

cc: Member

All Age Olympic at best...

[lquiquer]

I really think we should go for Bulut

[plague]

All Age Olympic at best...
All Age Olympic have a gun team. No room for the Hoff there.

[Hunter403]

Hoff can't and never has been able to deliver a decent cross into the box to save himself. No idea when he gets forward State league material.

There is hardly a player in the HAL that can cross. He is hardly alone. Even so called "wingers" can't cross

[lquiquer]

There is hardly a player in the HAL that can cross. He is hardly alone. Even so called "wingers" can't cross
If his only problem was that he can't cross...!!!!!

[lquiquer]

All Age Olympic have a gun team. No room for the Hoff there.

:roflz:

[lquiquer]

We will probably sign Redmayne in January ......

[WolfMan]

If his only problem was that he can't cross...!!!!!

A fullback who wins 83% of tackles? I'll take that

[lquiquer]

I still think we should try to get Bulut in January....

[hawk]

I still think we should try to get Bulut in January....

no way. hate that knt

[lquiquer]

no way. hate that knt

You don't have to like him, as long as he scores and I think he would.....

[lquiquer]

A fullback who wins 83% of tackles? I'll take that

Modern fullback need to do more than tackle

[The Dunster]

I still think we should try to get Bulut in January....

Why ? Did something happen to Danny Wicks ?

[WolfMan]

Modern fullback need to do more than tackle

Just curious, who do you think is the best RB in the A-League currently?

[lquiquer]

I'd say Rhyan Grant

[WolfMan]

I'd say Rhyan Grant

Fair call.

According to Opta, Grant has 3 less successful crosses than Hoffman and his accuracy is 10% less than Jason as well. H

Rhyan has 5 more tackles to his name, but at a 13% lower success rate. Grant also has a huge amount of interceptions (39 compared to 17).

Not saying Grant isn't a good fullback - just think Hoffman and a few other of our players don't get enough credit

[MFKS]

Says a lot that Geria Risdon Grant are talked about as possible NT players.


Fullback to me is a specialist position

Football coaches in this country treat it more as an after thought.


How many blokes get dumped into Left or right back by coaches trying to plug after ****ing hole.

Razzler, Dpuzzle, Tarekat, Cowburn Hoffman etc Just at our club alone


Even have the ridiculous scenario where we don't sign after looking left back for a year or two

[lquiquer]

Fair call.

According to Opta, Grant has 3 less successful crosses than Hoffman and his accuracy is 10% less than Jason as well. H

Rhyan has 5 more tackles to his name, but at a 13% lower success rate. Grant also has a huge amount of interceptions (39 compared to 17).

Not saying Grant isn't a good fullback - just think Hoffman and a few other of our players don't get enough credit

Problem is Hoffman is technically limited so his passing accuracy is atrocious and he gives the ball away far too much.....

[WolfMan]

Problem is Hoffman is technically limited so his passing accuracy is atrocious and he gives the ball away far too much.....

Hoffman passing accuracy - 76.5% and In opposition half - 67.1%
Grant passing accuracy - 68.3% and In opposition half - 59.2%

Grant kills him in successful dribbles - 13 to 3. I would argue that with the exception of last night's match, Hoffman hadn't been instructed to overlap Hoole. (And even when he did do it last night, the option was largely ignored.)

*** DISCLAIMER ***

I've just noticed that Hoffman's stats aren't including any accrued last night. May alter the stats slightly

[lquiquer]

Hoffman passing accuracy - 76.5% and In opposition half - 67.1%
Grant passing accuracy - 68.3% and In opposition half - 59.2%

Grant kills him in successful dribbles - 13 to 3. I would argue that with the exception of last night's match, Hoffman hadn't been instructed to overlap Hoole. (And even when he did do it last night, the option was largely ignored.)

*** DISCLAIMER ***

I've just noticed that Hoffman's stats aren't including any accrued last night. May alter the stats slightly

OK... But it does NOT look like it when watching these 2 play! But if that's what stats says then fair enough and we'll prob sign him for another 2 years...

[WolfMan]

OK... But it does NOT look like it when watching these 2 play! But if that's what stats says then fair enough and we'll prob sign him for another 2 years...

I take your point - Grant/Risdon/Geria are all more attack-minded fullbacks. It's easier to see the work they do to support offensive movements.

As with most positions (outside of centre-halves and Goalkeepers) the defensive workload often goes un-noticed

[380]

You don't have to like him, as long as he scores and I think he would.....


What type of score are we talking about here ?

[plague]

Riyahan Grahahnt is the worst ****ing player.
Him, Josh Rose.
Gash.
Some of you bloke is retarded.

[lquiquer]

What type of score are we talking about here ?

111

[lquiquer]

Riyahan Grahahnt is the worst ****ing player.
Him, Josh Rose.
Gash.
Some of you bloke is retarded.

The question is: Will Pissant get that goal? :rof:

[hawk]

lol, Can you imagine us with community ownership and deciding on recruitment. It will be like this thread. shitfitenite.

Still, if the club took some ideas from here and acted we'd be higher up the table, full on decent managers in here.

[parksey]

Grant is the most overrated player in the league.

The praise he is getting at the moment is mind-boggling. He should be nowhere near a Socceroos shirt, and I trust Ange to not get carried away by what the "experts" on Fox Sports think.

[MFKS]

lol, Can you imagine us with community ownership and deciding on recruitment. It will be like this thread. shitfitenite.

Still, if the club took some ideas from here and acted we'd be higher up the table, full on decent managers in here.

That more of a sad indictment of the staff employed by the club in the last 10 years.

If people on the foz can spot the problems the club face and have solutions then how come the club can't??

[leftrightout]

You don't have to like him, as long as he scores and I think he would.....

Yeah because his record for Wanderers is so great! Mark Bridge scores more goals than that hopeless, tattoo-faced wank!

[MFKS]

Yeah because his record for Wanderers is so great! Mark Bridge scores more goals than that hopeless, tattoo-faced wank!

Sounds like we need to sign him.

If people hate him that much when he don't play for us imagine how much we gonna hate him when he wearS the Jets shirt and plays like a busted arse??

[lquiquer]

That's the point ....it's not working for him at WSW but could well work here for us...Players not performing for one club move on and kill it for club they join not unheard of....

[lquiquer]

Grant is the most overrated player in the league.


I would argue Finkler is

[MFKS]

I would argue Finkler is

I don't need to argue but it is actually Newy own no 7

The way the so called experts fap over a bloke with one goal from open play in 432 outings is a bit over the top



Rhyan Grant isn't over rated. He is arguably the most improved player in the HAL

He actually is the poster boy for the shit ****s in our squad who should have knuckled down and made a success out of the opportunities they have had like Kanta BK Hoffman etc

If they only showed the application Grant has to make the most of their abilities and opportunities

[The Dunster]

I would argue Finkler is

He's certainly the laziest. Plenty of technical skill but runs like an old man and has absolutely zero heart when it comes to contesting the ball.

[plague]

You blokes can argue Parkseys point all you want.
But you'd be wrong.
Grant is trash and garbage.

[MFKS]

You blokes can argue Parkseys point all you want.
But you'd be wrong.
Grant is trash and garbage.
That is bull shit Plague.


Grant may well be limited in natural talent but what talents he has he gets the most out of

He runs his arse off and tries his arse off every week.

If he was playing for our club he would be one of the fan faves who everyone respected

He be just like Zads.

Not the most gifted but gave his all game in game out

[plague]

That is bull shit Plague.


Grant may well be limited in natural talent but what talents he has he gets the most out of

He runs his arse off and tries his arse off every week.

If he was playing for our club he would be one of the fan faves who everyone respected

He be just like Zads.

Not the most gifted but gave his all game in game out

Nope.
No such thing as natural talent.
I had a labrador once that used to run all day too but he was still just a ****ing Labrador.
He is garbage. To say fans would love him if she was ours just shows how low the standards are for Jets fans to get excited about anything.

[leftrightout]

Sounds like we need to sign him.

If people hate him that much when he don't play for us imagine how much we gonna hate him when he wearS the Jets shirt and plays like a busted arse??

Haha good point, sign him up!

[RAM]

I don't mind Grant.

Solid player, versatile. Keeps it simple.

You don't need playmakers all over the park.

For a wide back or holding midfielder he does the job.

[Wilso8948]

I think Katroumbis has shown enough for an 18 year old to earn a contract. Has more ability then a lot of players years older then him with a lot more 'experience'

[Jeterpool]

I think Katroumbis has shown enough for an 18 year old to earn a contract. Has more ability then a lot of players years older then him with a lot more 'experience'

Definitely.

[Hunter403]

I think Katroumbis has shown enough for an 18 year old to earn a contract. Has more ability then a lot of players years older then him with a lot more 'experience'

He certainly has promise. Raw and still makes some basic errors but he is young. He will learn alot from Boogard you would think (minus the cards hopefully)

[Wilso8948]

He certainly has promise. Raw and still makes some basic errors but he is young. He will learn alot from Boogard you would think (minus the cards hopefully)

Yep. By no means am I calling on him to be resigned for huge cash and will start every week. But the kid has a lot of talent and CB imo get better with age. He has more ability then someone like chapman who seems to have done ok as he's developed.

[borat]

Alessi is on a 2 year contract so he is with us next season, as is Boogs

Both Mullen and Jackson are off contract however. I would resign Jackson and Koutroumbis, and let Mullen walk IMO. Just not worth the money

[belchardo]

for some reason I thought Johnny K was here on loan from Adelaide. not sure why I think that, but anybody know if correct?

[Jeterpool]

for some reason I thought Johnny K was here on loan from Adelaide. not sure why I think that, but anybody know if correct?

No, it's an injury replacement contract.

[lquiquer]

No, it's an injury replacement contract.

For Alessi......

[The Camel]

Alessi is on a 2 year contract so he is with us next season, as is Boogs

Both Mullen and Jackson are off contract however. I would resign Jackson and Koutroumbis, and let Mullen walk IMO. Just not worth the money

Defintely. You could have Johhny K and Jackson signed for probably less than what we are paying Mullen

[The Dunster]

Defintely. You could have Johhny K and Jackson signed for probably less than what we are paying Mullen

If he becomes available I doubt the Jets will be the only ones after him and when was the last time the Jets ever won a bidding war on a player with potential transfer value.

How do people actually know what Mullen is paid ? I can find contract values for MLS players but nothing for A-league. Is there a web link ?

[idontwannaplaywithhowey]

for some reason I thought Johnny K was here on loan from Adelaide. not sure why I think that, but anybody know if correct?

Was playing for Adelaide's youth team. With the promise he is showing I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up back there and in the first team picture for next season.

[Grimario]

Alessi is on a 2 year contract so he is with us next season, as is Boogs

Both Mullen and Jackson are off contract however. I would resign Jackson and Koutroumbis, and let Mullen walk IMO. Just not worth the money

I like this idea.

[plague]

Make Johnny K marquee ****s sake may as well Stubbins and Middleby will just go blow the cash on some other useless asshole anyway.

[RAM]

Alessi is on a 2 year contract so he is with us next season, as is Boogs

Both Mullen and Jackson are off contract however. I would resign Jackson and Koutroumbis, and let Mullen walk IMO. Just not worth the money

I would re-sign them. I wouldn't let them resign.

[MFKS]

If he becomes available I doubt the Jets will be the only ones after him and when was the last time the Jets ever won a bidding war on a player with potential transfer value.

How do people actually know what Mullen is paid ? I can find contract values for MLS players but nothing for A-league. Is there a web link ?

Don't you hack the FFA Jets and ATO's computer like the rest of us do??

[MFKS]

As for Johnny K and his future at the club.


Depends exactly what Ledman has in store for the club.

If we are going to continue down the path of running the club on the smell of an oily rag then sign him up now.

If we are actually going to show some ambition then we have to say no.

Project players are not needed for a side trying to get to the business end of the ladder

Ready made players for the here and now are required

[borat]

for some reason I thought Johnny K was here on loan from Adelaide. not sure why I think that, but anybody know if correct?

Wasn't there a suggestion that he has some deal to return to Adelaide? not sure how or if that could work

[sneaky]

Grant would walk into our team and become fan fav very quickly Tarek style

[plague]

Grant would walk into our team

exactly, thats how garbage he is.

Get him a contract Middleby.

[leftrightout]

exactly, thats how garbage he is.

Get him a contract Middleby.

So we have released some players by the sounds!

[turbojetfireV8]

Grant would walk into our team and become fan fav very quickly Tarek style

think you are confusing us with the Scum, Grant would walk into a Scum team any day and fit right in...

[turbojetfireV8]

for some reason I thought Johnny K was here on loan from Adelaide. not sure why I think that, but anybody know if correct?

aren't we just preening Koutroumbis so he can go back to Adelaide? As for Mullen, first game back, solid performance, only flaw is he needs to take heading lessons off Smiljanic - but then again, perhaps not... we win, and youse wanna get rid of him??? this is the reason we are so sh*t, even our supporters are as clueless as the coach...

[MFKS]

aren't we just preening Koutroumbis so he can go back to Adelaide? As for Mullen, first game back, solid performance, only flaw is he needs to take heading lessons off Smiljanic - but then again, perhaps not... we win, and youse wanna get rid of him??? this is the reason we are so sh*t, even our supporters are as clueless as the coach...

I couldn't give a **** that we win 1 ****ing game

It ain't any reason to keep him.

He is slow
He is prone to diving in

To me we can not afford to carry him and Boogaard going forward. One of them has to go and it is him that has their contract up first

[turbojetfireV8]

I couldn't give a **** that we win 1 ****ing game

It ain't any reason to keep him.

He is slow
He is prone to diving in

To me we can not afford to carry him and Boogaard going forward. One of them has to go and it is him that has their contract up first

he's experience, solid and I don't consider he dives in, he has made some crucial tackles and clean ones at that, isn't that what a defender is supposed to do? just cos a ref gives you a red card when it was actually the other guy (Bozanic?) who committed the foul doesn't mean you're at fault, it just means we have sh*t refs in this league...

[turbojetfireV8]

Kanta's surgery went well:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4351875/kanta-down-but-not-out-after-knee-surgery/?cs=3398

[RAM]

**** Mullen off.

Keep the kid. You need a mixture of youth and experience, regardless of what Jared says.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Kanta's surgery went well:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4351875/kanta-down-but-not-out-after-knee-surgery/?cs=3398

Good for him. Hopefully his retirement goes well.

[Wilso8948]

Good for him. Hopefully his retirement goes well.

Pretty harsh. I'm all for not re signing him however at 24 I do hope he gets another gig elsewhere. Probably no starting in the A league. For a young person to have such crippling injuries is a massive test of mental strength. Something a lot of arm chair experts will never understand.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Pretty harsh. I'm all for not re signing him however at 24 I do hope he gets another gig elsewhere. Probably no starting in the A league. For a young person to have such crippling injuries is a massive test of mental strength. Something a lot of arm chair experts will never understand.

For his sake, I hope he does retire. If he continues to **** his knee he wont live a fulfilling life after football.

Not being harsh, being realistic.

[Wilso8948]

For his sake, I hope he does retire. If he continues to **** his knee he wont live a fulfilling life after football.

Not being harsh, being realistic.

Maybe football, whether playing injured or not, is fulfilling to him? I know many people including myself who continue to play with ongoing injuries. This is a choice that we manage. The positives far outweigh the negatives of sitting wondering "what if"

[Roundball Enthusiast]

Maybe football, whether playing injured or not, is fulfilling to him? I know many people including myself who continue to play with ongoing injuries. This is a choice that we manage. The positives far outweigh the negatives of sitting wondering "what if"

Sure, personal opinion.

I would much rather be able to walk/run with my children when I retire. That option is probably getting slim for Kanta with the severity of his knee reconstructions..

[Frodo]

For his sake, I hope he does retire. If he continues to **** his knee he wont live a fulfilling life after football.

Not being harsh, being realistic.

He gets paid great coin and would have better medical cover than you and i could ever have. I think he would be stupid not convince some chump of a club to resign him... which will definitely be us. I would put good money on us resigning him at season's end. Facebook fans will be overjoyed.

[Wilso8948]

I'd like to see Cowburn replace Kanta in that utility role. You need someone to be fully fit most of the time in order to cover different positions during injury time.

[stopper2]

I'd like to see Cowburn replace Kanta in that utility role. You need someone to be fully fit most of the time in order to cover different positions during injury time.

Totally agree. Four knee ops in 6 years on the same year and he's only 24, similar to Jobe in that he has probably never played a full season in his entire career due to injuries. Cowburn would be cheaper to keep and plus you are getting more bang for your buck with a more resilient player not someone who invariably gets injured every season.
If Kanta is re-signed it would basically indicate that this club is not serious about being a real contender and is content to just battle away in the hope of sneaking into 6th spot.

[evanhayes5]

Wasn't there a suggestion that he has some deal to return to Adelaide? not sure how or if that could work

Im pretty sure Jones has some sort of Gentlemans agreement with adelaide, that JK will return there next season and that we wont make him an offer.



Also I was at training this morning, and Im pretty sure Thomas Kristensen from brisbane roar was there, he just sat and watched from the pavilion, then I saw him leave with Morten. Not sure what to make of that, I think maybe he was just visiting Morten?

There was also some other Tall young lad training that I do not know

[evanhayes5]

Also surely the club would look at making someone like Curtis Good a priority, he needs First team football, we can give that to him.

Vujica, Good, Boogs, Cowburn

Not a bad back 4

[stopper2]

Im pretty sure Jones has some sort of Gentlemans agreement with adelaide, that JK will return there next season and that we wont make him an offer.



Also I was at training this morning, and Im pretty sure Thomas Kristensen from brisbane roar was there, he just sat and watched from the pavilion, then I saw him leave with Morten. Not sure what to make of that, I think maybe he was just visiting Morten?

There was also some other Tall young lad training that I do not know
Was just on NBN, I believe his name Is Harrison Sawyer from Roar youth. No mention of why he was training with the team. Will just say if this is the calibre of player (a youth player) we are looking at in the Jan transfer window then this club is finished for me!

[turbojetfireV8]

Few Herald squad stories:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4354435/key-jets-could-bide-time-on-the-bench/?cs=3398

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4353328/glory-the-start-as-jets-lock-radar-on-top-six/?cs=3398

and a feelgood one:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4353780/gloves-a-keeper-for-young-fan/?cs=3398

[leftrightout]

And with consecutive home games against Adelaide and Wellington Phoenix (Boxing Day), the Jets are well positioned to begin the new year in the top six.

From one of the herald stories above.... two things:

1. We will lose miserably to both.
2. Even if we win, we don't deserve to be in semi final positions after our season so far. Top 6 in a 10 team comp is a joke!

[Jeterpool]

and a feelgood one:

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4353780/gloves-a-keeper-for-young-fan/?cs=3398

Good on the club to bring them all down instead of sending a player or two to the school! Best of luck to Saxon - my bet is he'll always remembers.

[MFKS]

From one of the herald stories above.... two things:

1. We will lose miserably to both.
2. Even if we win, we don't deserve to be in semi final positions after our season so far. Top 6 in a 10 team comp is a joke!
The bigger joke is not making the top 6 in what 7 years now

That an achievement

[RAM]

Also surely the club would look at making someone like Curtis Good a priority, he needs First team football, we can give that to him.

Vujica, Good, Boogs, Cowburn

Not a bad back 4

We should, but won't.

[turbojetfireV8]

Hoole discussing how wasteful we were on the weekend - was Jones taking the mick getting Hooley to answer this one?

http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2016/12/14/reds-pose-danger/

[Grimario]

Also surely the club would look at making someone like Curtis Good a priority, he needs First team football, we can give that to him.

Vujica, Good, Boogs, Cowburn

Not a bad back 4

Hasn't he played like two games in 5 years due to injuries? We'd be better with Spira.

[pv4]

Thinking last night, why doesn't the club terminate Kennedys squad spot to free up a place for Čović or a #1 keeper to dethrone Duncan. Makes perfect sense.

[lquiquer]

Thinking last night, why doesn't the club terminate Kennedys squad spot to free up a place for Čović or a #1 keeper to dethrone Duncan. Makes perfect sense.

Makes sense to me. Duncan needs another keeper to put pressure on him. He is getting too comfortable and that sure affects concentration......maybe not Covic...:wink:

[Wilso8948]

Let's not crucify the kid. Yeh he ****ed up but he sure as shit has saved our ass from getting flogged in recent weeks

[The Dunster]

Makes sense to me. Duncan needs another keeper to put pressure on him. He is getting too comfortable and that sure affects concentration......maybe not Covic...:wink:

That sort of comment is ridiculous. Duncan made one error last night but apart from than he has been one of our best all season. This needs pressure and too comfortable shit is neo-liberalism ideology at its finest. There is little if any evidence to back up such claims in football or any other occupation. In fact there is a lot to suggest that pressure for positions can actually have the opposite effect whereby individuals start putting themselves before the best interests of the team.

Duncan fumbled a wet ball in slippery conditions - that is what happened. Keepers in the top leagues around the world have done just as bad and in a lot of cases worse than Duncan did last night. Did they stuff up because of no pressure for their position ? Of course not - and neither did Duncan.

[Hunter403]

Duncan has flourished with game time. He has improved every game. Yes, he made a mistake last night in trying conditions and it cost us but I think he will learn from it.
Let's not forget who gave away that dumb free kick. I was praying for yellow

[MFKS]

Thinking last night, why doesn't the club terminate Kennedys squad spot to free up a place for Čović or a #1 keeper to dethrone Duncan. Makes perfect sense.

Because that is what a competent club does.

I know there are a lot of BK fanbois out there but the club need their heads read if he is offered a new deal

1 game in 2 years after 11 years being unable to nail down the spot has no logical justification in being offered a new deal.

Though I am backing the club resigns both BK and Kanta who should be treated same same

[lquiquer]

That sort of comment is ridiculous. Duncan made one error last night but apart from than he has been one of our best all season. This needs pressure and too comfortable shit is neo-liberalism ideology at its finest. There is little if any evidence to back up such claims in football or any other occupation. In fact there is a lot to suggest that pressure for positions can actually have the opposite effect whereby individuals start putting themselves before the best interests of the team.

Duncan fumbled a wet ball in slippery conditions - that is what happened. Keepers in the top leagues around the world have done just as bad and in a lot of cases worse than Duncan did last night. Did they stuff up because of no pressure for their position ? Of course not - and neither did Duncan.

I heard quite a few keepers over the years mentioning competition brings the best out of them. And I'm not crucifying Duncan, i actually think he has been terrific all year. I just believe another keeper competing for number 1 spot would benefit all parties.

[Bremsstrahlung]

There's also just as many mentioning that they don't perform the best in pressure situations and like to know they are the preferred option.

Everyone is different. Whatever brings out the best in somebody.

[The Dunster]

I heard quite a few keepers over the years mentioning competition brings the best out of them. And I'm not crucifying Duncan, i actually think he has been terrific all year. I just believe another keeper competing for number 1 spot would benefit all parties.

Name the few keepers you suggested and lets look at their competition and how it made them better. I'll be very happy to be proven wrong.
because when I think of great Keepers like a Banks, a Buffon, and so on I think of blokes who's only motivation came from wanting to be the best rather than any internal competition.
I mean was Maradonna good because others threatened to take his position ? I doubt it.

[plague]

I mean was Maradonna good because others threatened to take his position ?

Nope, it was the coke.

Def the coke.

[lquiquer]

Name the few keepers you suggested and lets look at their competition and how it made them better. I'll be very happy to be proven wrong.
because when I think of great Keepers like a Banks, a Buffon, and so on I think of blokes who's only motivation came from wanting to be the best rather than any internal competition.
I mean was Maradonna good because others threatened to take his position ? I doubt it.

I was only referring to keepers. I do remember Theo being one of them: He knows he has Young on his arse and gets motivation from it. It seems to be working for him......Same with Barthez in 2006 when he was in competition with Coupet ......Anyway all I am saying is I believe it's beneficial to a team to have 2 keepers competing for number 1 spot. But hey I might be wrong?

[The Dunster]

I was only referring to keepers. I do remember Theo being one of them: He knows he has Young on his arse and gets motivation from it. It seems to be working for him......Same with Barthez in 2006 when he was in competition with Coupet ......Anyway all I am saying is I believe it's beneficial to a team to have 2 keepers competing for number 1 spot. But hey I might be wrong?

Barthez is a great example. He had a good first season with Man U and once Howard arrived he went to shit and was never the same again. Started taking too many risks as he panicked to stay No. 1
With respect to Coupet -the competition between him and Barthez for the national GK spot essentially led to a fight between Coupet and Domenech when Barthez got the nod ahead of him. That's the problem when you have two guys of similar skill competing for a position - one has to lose the battle and it can sometimes come down to a coin toss or off field factors more so than who is doing a better job.
Professional sports persons often come with big egos so it's not a good situation.
It's bad enough at national level but at club level it's a disaster because players are contracted for longer duration and have to play a lot more games per season.

[nleagles]

In this humble fans option unfortunately he is not good enough.It's not just last night but it certainly didn't help. His decision making is terrible catch the ball jack.Even if he see it late why punch there's no one around you.
Who we get I don't know but someone better then him