2016/17 Squad Thread

[white city]

Yes, check out the latest podcast episode on the front page. Lawrie & Scott answer some of those questions.

Thanks,

it was good ep. great for the insight

cheers

[Grimario]

This wait for some news is getting a little frustrating.

Still no news on an International striker & Chinese Development.

Also quiet on the business/organisation front. With the start of financial year i was thinking we may start to hear some announcements regarding sponsorship's, players, trips to china? or any other further club plans

Any inside rumours or goss?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIRYXaUA9K7/

Varley Group has re-signed.

[MFKS]

This wait for some news is getting a little frustrating.

Still no news on an International striker & Chinese Development.

Also quiet on the business/organisation front. With the start of financial year i was thinking we may start to hear some announcements regarding sponsorship's, players, trips to china? or any other further club plans

Any inside rumours or goss?

Have to say what are we nearly one month into the Ledman reign

Would have to be one of the most low key take overs in the history of football

Usually new owners come in and good signings are made plans are announced for future success etc

Yet we on the other hand would barely know we have new ownership, don't appear to be interested in signing quality players and just seem to be plodding along like we were in the 3-4 months before the FFA washed their hands of the club.

Been a rather disappointing period really

The warm glow and good feeling of new ownership has brought us nothing so far really

[Couscous]

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Unhappy about this. The Jets need to ditch their associations with the military, warplanes, etc to better engage the community.

[Jetmaster]

Have to say what are we nearly one month into the Ledman reign

Would have to be one of the most low key take overs in the history of football

Usually new owners come in and good signings are made plans are announced for future success etc

Yet we on the other hand would barely know we have new ownership, don't appear to be interested in signing quality players and just seem to be plodding along like we were in the 3-4 months before the FFA washed their hands of the club.

Been a rather disappointing period really

The warm glow and good feeling of new ownership has brought us nothing so far really

On the contrary, I'm of the opinion an owner coming in with a 3-5 year business plan, not throwing cash around and making promises to all and sundry makes a pleasant change. This is a business deal and it is how you would work in many business takeovers.

I have felt all along that this would be the season to get things off the field setup properly, consolidate a reasonable team and get some stability after the salvage operation last year.

I am at peace with the new world.

[white city]

On the contrary, I'm of the opinion an owner coming in with a 3-5 year business plan, not throwing cash around and making promises to all and sundry makes a pleasant change. This is a business deal and it is how you would work in many business takeovers.

I have felt all along that this would be the season to get things off the field setup properly, consolidate a reasonable team and get some stability after the salvage operation last year.

I am at peace with the new world.

i do agree, i was only thinking from an organisation side of things, whether we were going to see any new sponsors in the short term.

and also when were we looking to sign these last remaining players as the later we keep it the less time there is to settle, especially with both being foreign to the a-league.

but i do believe we are in good hands moving forward

[borat]

In a month Ledman has;

* appointed a new CEO
* led an FFA delegation to China
* gained international exposure for the club (unlike we have ever received in my opinion)
* arranged a pre-season tour of China
* locked in fan forums
* signed Ivan Vujica

I don't think that is all too bad.

If people are looking at why we haven't signed any more players its surely because we have changed direction in who we are signing, and now signing the Chinese development player has put a spanner in the works. This player is likely to be expensive (min wage in CSL is around 500k) and is likely to be impacting how much we have left for a striker.

[borat]

And for pure speculation, the Danish striker that we were recently linked to, Jesper Lange, has in the last few days retweeted the article and posted a goodbye message to his current club Aarhus. I would take it he is on his way to the HAL.

http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/4019/transfer-zone/2016/07/18/25719762/a-league-clubs-chasing-no-risk-scandinavians

[lquiquer]

Any Chinese trialling at training yet?

[hawk]

Plus a big factor that will help us immensely this coming season.... Ben Williams just retired.

That is our biggest pick up

[MFKS]

And for pure speculation, the Danish striker that we were recently linked to, Jesper Lange, has in the last few days retweeted the article and posted a goodbye message to his current club Aarhus. I would take it he is on his way to the HAL.

http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/4019/transfer-zone/2016/07/18/25719762/a-league-clubs-chasing-no-risk-scandinavians
Probably signing for Sydney FC that why

[lquiquer]

Probably signing for Sydney FC that why

Perth more likely

[borat]

Probably signing for Sydney FC that why

Doesn't strike me as marquee material which is what Arnold has said he is looking for and has previously played with Nordstrand.

[white city]

Doesn't strike me as marquee material which is what Arnold has said he is looking for and has previously played with Nordstrand.

We do seem like the most his most obvious destination. The fact nothing has been announced yet, may mean there may be some budget issues with him and allowance for the Chinese player

[Roundball Enthusiast]

The fact nothing has been announced yet, may mean there may be some budget issues with him and allowance for the Chinese player

Or that none of our signings have been well known before they announced them, in recent times, at least.

[borat]

Mckinna saying 2 chinese players will be here on trial in 2 weeks

http://indaily.com.au/sport/soccer/2016/07/26/john-hutchinson-used-to-nail-somebody-in-the-first-tackle-i-would-tell-him-to-do-it/

[MFKS]

We do seem like the most his most obvious destination. The fact nothing has been announced yet, may mean there may be some budget issues with him and allowance for the Chinese player

The fact that nothing has been announced may mean we as a football club are maturing and not making rookie mistakes where the deal is public knowledge before it is done.

Less amatuer administration the better

[plague]

Less amatuer administration the better

Yeah but then you turn into 'this' guy.
I don't want that.

[BP Super Dynamos]

Ben Warland is trialling, formerly of Adelaide. Thoughts? I've not seen him play

[Grimario]

As injury replacement for Alessi, I am guessing?



Beginning his football career at local South Australian club, Campbelltown City, Ben Warland moved to the Australian Institute of Sport in 2011 to further his development, before returning to SA and the Adelaide United Youth Team in 2014. Having represented Australia’s U17 and U20 sides, Warland is a seasoned defender considering his age, with substantial experience at a high level. Having captained the Reds’ Youth Team to National Premier League success in 2014/15, Warland is a commanding figure at the back with a sound understanding of the game.

[borat]

As injury replacement for Alessi, I am guessing?

Yeah I read or heard a quote from Miller that Warland would be an injury replacement

[white city]

Saw something on Twitter saying a chinese assistant has joined the team Qiang Li?

Does anyone know any more about this?

[lil_masi]

Saw something on Twitter saying a chinese assistant has joined the team Qiang Li?

Does anyone know any more about this?

Jimmy Gardner said he was at training. Nothing about joining the team

[borat]

Well it's interesting nonetheless. Not sure if I was Miller how thrilled I would be about that. Former assistant at Beijing Guon though

[RAM]

Well it's interesting nonetheless. Not sure if I was Miller how thrilled I would be about that. Former assistant at Beijing Guon though

Clearly lining him up for the job

[MFKS]

Clearly lining him up for the job

As assistant to Beijing GoDowns greatest player

[RAM]

CITEH

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Citeh last night (as far as I could see and subject to some midfield and front 3 rotation)

Fitzgerald--------------Fornaroli---------------------Kamau

---------------Caceres------------Retre----------------------

--------------------------Brattan----------------------------

Clisby-----------Malik---------------Chapman--------Muscat

---------------------------Sorensen--------------------------

[Tommyjet]

Deducing from millers comments in various media ive come up with 3 names whilst reseaching on transfermarkt. Marvin pourie, ken fagerberg and jesper lange. Obviously lange has already been mentioned in the media.
Pourie is the one id go for based on his career to date.
Really cant believe we still waiting on a striker. Has basically cost us ffa continuation.

[borat]

What comments are you basing it on? That its a striker and from Scandinavia? Other than that I read we had a shortlist of 3 or 4

[halo se7en]

Deducing from millers comments in various media ive come up with 3 names whilst reseaching on transfermarkt. Marvin pourie, ken fagerberg and jesper lange. Obviously lange has already been mentioned in the media.
Pourie is the one id go for based on his career to date.
Really cant believe we still waiting on a striker. Has basically cost us ffa continuation.

What club has their roster finalised 2 months out from the season?

Man United won't even have their squad ready for the 1st game of the EPL and this is a club with (relatively) unlimited resources and incredibly strong pull. It's a club that players would jump at the chance to play for, and it still takes time to put together the final pieces.

We're trying to convince someone from Europe to travel to the other side of the world to play for an underachieving club, in a relatively new competition, neither of which they've barely heard of.

[borat]

Whats unbelievable is that he doesn't believe it. Every season bar none we sign our striker/No 10 in the last 2 weeks of the pre-season

[plague]

Whats unbelievable is that he doesn't believe it. Every season bar none we sign our striker/No 10 in the last 2 weeks of the pre-season

We are the tubby girl in the corner of the club when they turn the lights on at 4am looking for that desperate drunk bloke to point at and say "Righto love, you'll do".

[Wilso8948]

We are the tubby girl in the corner of the club when they turn the lights on at 4am looking for that desperate drunk bloke to point at and say "Righto love, you'll do".

And the problem is that club is old school Fannys and that desperate drunk bloke is a pimply kid with a flat brim hat, shell necklace and big white globe skate shoes.

[Roundball Enthusiast]

And the problem is that club is old school Fannys and that desperate drunk bloke is plague.

Fixed for you.

[plague]

Fixed for you.

I dunno know, you're making this out like its a bad thing?

Only one bloke on here banging supermodels homie and it ain't me or you.

[Jeterpool]

I dunno know, you're making this out like its a bad thing?

Only one bloke on here banging supermodels homie and it ain't me or you.

Lucky hawk

[lil_masi]

Looks like we're signing 29yo Finnish striker Aleksandr Kokko. Theres a finnish article saying he signed with us. Google translate is saying 2yrs

[belchardo]

Looks like we're signing 29yo Finnish striker Aleksandr Kokko. Theres a finnish article saying he signed with us. Google translate is saying 2yrs

Think nobby's nuts just got replaced - welcome kokko's kocks.

[furns]

Coincidence that Wayne Brown played in the Finnish league as well? I think not.

[plague]

I mean, how has Jetmaster not come in with with at least 37 terrible puns already?

[q-money]

fkn love the kokk

[lquiquer]

Aleksandr Kokko born in Leningrad in the Soviet Union in 1987......The Russian Kokk
..................Last 4 years: 2012–RoPS 97 (51)

[belchardo]

Hope he doesn't go off half-kocked.

[lil_masi]

They call him Boris

[Jetmaster]

I mean, how has Jetmaster not come in with with at least 37 terrible puns already?

Was awaiting confirmation of signing first before suggesting Kokkos Pops etc

[lquiquer]

If FC signs Bobo........We'll have the Bobo - Kokko Cup

[plague]

Was awaiting confirmation of signing first before suggesting Kokkos Pops etc

YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
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http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--7JwMJMcV--/ex5rsfmes1bwkj3b0iuo.gif
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Lelfk0BX--/sl0hukdrjfk2alxkuyz4.gif
This is good foz right here.
More please lads before some asshole starts banging on about his stats.

[plague]

Aleksandr Kokko born in Leningrad in the Soviet Union in 1987......The Russian Kokk
..................Last 4 years: 2012–RoPS 97 (51)

Nothing but awesomeness comes out of Russia.
We gonna win the league yo.
http://blog.images.woot.com/volkoff.jpg

[MFKS]

So more importantly how long has this bloke been unemployed for??

[lil_masi]

He played his last game (90min) last week and scored. He was player of the year and top scorer in the finnish league last season with 17 goals.
Finnish season started in Feb

[rhysd]

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/veikkausliiga/art-2000001233566.html

Good find lil masi. Some searching you would have had to perform for that.

This has the potential to go south..

[turbojetfireV8]

Think nobby's nuts just got replaced - welcome kokko's kocks.

between kokko's kocks and clut's clits it's gonna be some season on the hill this year, best to keep it wet boys...

[borat]

51 goals in his last 97 appearances. Leagues top scorer last season. 29 years old.

Looks very good. I know the last Finish player in the league was rubbish, Yuho Makela, and he arrived at SFC as the previous seasons top scorer in Finland, but still. Looks quality

[GazFish35]

Let's go Kokko loco

[Peter]

https://youtu.be/iYe6LjGlyko

[The Postman]

1. Ben Kennedy - 16/17
2. Daniel Mullen - 16/17
3. Jason Hoffman - 17/18
4. Nigel Boogaard - 17/18
5. Ben Kantarovski - 16/17
6. Steven Ugarković - 16/17
7. Andrew Hoole - 16/17
8. Mateo Poljak - 16/17
9. Aleksandr Kokko - 17/18
10. Wayne Brown - 17/18
11. Labinot Halti - 16/17
12. Andy Brennan - 16/17
13. Daniel Alessi - 17/18
14. Mitch Cooper - 16/17
15. Andrew Nabbout - 17/18
16. Nick Cowburn - 17/18
17. Radan Pavicevic - 16/17
18. Ivan Vujica -17/18
19. Morten Nordstrand - 16/17
20. Jack Duncan - 17/18
21.
22. Lachlan Jackson - 16/17
23. Devante Clut - 17/18
+
Chinese Development Player
Injury Replacement for Alessi
------
So either Joice/Bryoma comes into the squad or does the last Under 20 player have to be Australian?

Could maybe get a U/20 Chinese player and an older Injury Replacement player to fill a hole elsewhere?

[GazFish35]

Arsenals yaya sanogo song works for him.

Wake me up, Aleksandr Kokko we hope you’re better than that c*** called triffo!

[borat]

1. Ben Kennedy - 16/17
2. Daniel Mullen - 16/17
3. Jason Hoffman - 17/18
4. Nigel Boogaard - 17/18
5. Ben Kantarovski - 16/17
6. Steven Ugarković - 16/17
7. Andrew Hoole - 16/17
8. Mateo Poljak - 16/17
9. Aleksandr Kokko - 17/18
10. Wayne Brown - 17/18
11. Labinot Halti - 16/17
12. Andy Brennan - 16/17
13. Daniel Alessi - 17/18
14. Mitch Cooper - 16/17
15. Andrew Nabbout - 17/18
16. Nick Cowburn - 17/18
17. Radan Pavicevic - 16/17
18. Ivan Vujica -17/18
19. Morten Nordstrand - 16/17
20. Jack Duncan - 17/18
21.
22. Lachlan Jackson - 16/17
23. Devante Clut - 17/18
+
Chinese Development Player
Injury Replacement for Alessi
------
So either Joice/Bryoma comes into the squad or does the last Under 20 player have to be Australian?

Could maybe get a U/20 Chinese player and an older Injury Replacement player to fill a hole elsewhere?

U20 must be Australian. That's why we will lose a player before season starts

[GazFish35]

I still reckon they're working on some leaving.

[Premy]

https://youtu.be/iYe6LjGlyko

I realize this is 8 years ago but judging from that he looks like a Johny on the spot poacher that has a knack of just being in the right spot.
Now time to find my Offspring albums.

[borat]

I still reckon they're working on some leaving.

Funny how Pav, Brennan and Bymora all got starts on the bench infront of Cooper

[furns]

Finally we replace the fox-in-the-box
Watch us bring back Jesic

[lquiquer]

Bulut to train with WSW this week. Wish we would sign him.......

[MFKS]

Bulut to train with WSW this week. Wish we would sign him.......

No way would we sign him.

Bulut is too much of a winner to be seen in our side.


Bloke would be a ****ing god in Newy though if we signed him.

We would finally have the closest thing in our side since we had the Griff

A bloke who puts it all on the line and Wants to Win at All costs

[Couscous]

I dislike his tattoos. They're not Newy.

[turbojetfireV8]

Bulut to train with WSW this week. Wish we would sign him.......

are authorities at Goulburn aware he's escaped?...

[Retro Jet]

I just hope this bloke ends up being Aleksandr the Great and not Kokko the clown...

[plague]

I mean, how has Jetmaster not come in with with at least 37 terrible puns already?

I mean obviously I forgot to give dap to Retro's terrible puns too.

Have at it lads.

[Beeen]

What's the situation with Vujica? Is he injured?

[hawk]

Bulut to train with WSW this week. Wish we would sign him.......

he'll be in gaol again soon, big risk

[lquiquer]

he'll be in gaol again soon, big risk
As long as it's Cessnock, week end leave, doesn't need to train, they only train 8 hours a week anyway......All good

[Guerny]

I realize this is 8 years ago but judging from that he looks like a Johny on the spot poacher that has a knack of just being in the right spot.
Now time to find my Offspring albums.

All i got from that was that defenders in Finland are f**cking terrible...

[lil_masi]

Kokko scored yesterday again

[GazFish35]

This blokes name is gonna give so many LOL's

[matty]

simon church has recinded his contract with MK Dons and is in talks with newcastle jets

[Jeterpool]

simon church has recinded his contract with MK Dons and is in talks with newcastle jets

Interesting. Where have you seen this information?

Is it Kokko or Church?

[borat]

simon church has recinded his contract with MK Dons and is in talks with newcastle jets

This story is everywhere this morning, but I don't see it happening unless Kokko has gone elsewhere. You would think Church was one of the 3-4 strikers we were negotiating with though. If given the choice Church has far better credentials playing at better clubs, albeit without the scoring record.

[borat]

Interesting. Where have you seen this information?

Is it Kokko or Church?

It was reposted by the Sports Editor of the Sun on Twitter a few hours ago. The story goes Church is being released from his contract at MK Dons so they can sign another striker in the next 48 hours and is in negotiations with us.

Church and Kokko are way too similar players for us to be signing both. So my guess is we were negotiating with both but signed Kokko, or the Kokko deal has fallen over (which seems very unlikely given his statements) and we have advanced talks with Church

[matty]

how long is it before mateo is australian citizen?

[halo se7en]

Is this the Welsh Simon Church that just turned out for his national side at the Euros? Seems odd that he'd head down here.

[pv4]

how long is it before mateo is australian citizen?

By my count, after this season.

[Tommyjet]

Or are they abandoning the chinese player idea?

[Grimario]

Two out and out strikers? Seems a bit unlikely.... that's what Kokko and Church are, right?

[Jeterpool]

Two out and out strikers of this caliber would be fantastic....

[belchardo]

Two out and out strikers of this caliber would be fantastic....

a poorly positioned kokko often leads to a church.

[Jeterpool]

a poorly positioned kokko often leads to a church.

Go sit in the corner for a while. You can do better than that.

[stopper2]

Heard from a sauce that the club is definitely interested in Church. Maybe the Chinese position has been ditched after all or can we sign Church as a "guest player"?

[MFKS]

Maybe the club are seeing the reality of the Chinese player and the costs to get someone good enough being too extreme and may look instead at bringing Chinese kids out for the Yoof o bring someone out from Ledman Chinese team for training only until the stars aliign???

[Jeterpool]

Heard from a sauce that the club is definitely interested in Church. Maybe the Chinese position has been ditched after all or can we sign Church as a "guest player"?

Possible. Lawrie did say in the pod that it would be tough to find a player that would add value (as you would expect from a visa player) that will fit under the salary cap given the wages in China for just squad players.

[matty]

its been knocked on the head. got reasonable sauces sayin not happening

[stopper2]

Member and Jeterpool both on the money here. The amount of money in the Chinese Leagues nowadays virtually rules out the possibility of being able to get a decent enough player and still fit him under the cap. Maybe Miller and McKinna have been able to convince Mr Lee of the realities of this, hence the talks with Church.

[lquiquer]

Member and Jeterpool both on the money here. The amount of money in the Chinese Leagues nowadays virtually rules out the possibility of being able to get a decent enough player and still fit him under the cap. Maybe Miller and McKinna have been able to convince Mr Lee of the realities of this, hence the talks with Church.

Hope so

[stopper2]

Kokko is definitely coming, apparently doing a medical later this week. Passes that, he will be officially a Jet.
Don't understand why having "similar" players in the squad is a concern. We saw last year with Labi getting injured early on how it affects the depth. Would rather we go into a season with strong competition for starting XI spots and having a bench with experience and good options rather then what we had last season.

[Jeterpool]

We've not had a depth in attacking options, I'd argue, since Season 2 when we had Griffiths, Rodriguez, Coveny and Bridge.

I guess if we are looking at Church, what are the other options, aside from not pursuing a Chinese development player?

* Nordstrand - is his injury worse than we think? I saw him looking OK yesterday despite playing for the 2nd team at training.
* Brown - Unlikely he is going to go after just signing for us
* Poljak - Could he be on the move? We have a lot of coverage in the midfield! I wouldn't like that if I'm honest - unless we make a run at James Holland as well (but I don't think we have the room to).

[white city]

its been knocked on the head. got reasonable sauces sayin not happening

?? what chinese player not happening or Church not happening

[matty]

27 yr old chinese winger will be here next week. church has not been looked at by newcastle

[halo se7en]

27 yr old chinese winger will be here next week. church has not been looked at by newcastle

27? Doesn't sound like a development player. Any more info matty?

[Grimario]

Let the speculation begin!

Yang Wang, 27yo right winger - http://www.transfermarkt.com/yang-wang/profil/spieler/119940
CSL team, hasn't played any of their league games this calendar year, only played in cups. On the outer.

Gang Wang, 27yo right winger - http://www.transfermarkt.com/gang-wang/leistungsdaten/spieler/61353
Chinese League 1, has played all games... but was mysteriously not in the squad for the weekends game. Prepping for a move to Newy?

Xiaoyu Jiang, 27yo left winger - http://www.transfermarkt.com/xiaoyu-jiang/profil/spieler/252251
Chinese League 2 regular, would be known to Lee/Ledman as owners of some other League 2 team I don't remember the name of.

Jian Li, 27yo right winger - http://www.transfermarkt.com/jian-li/profil/spieler/230393
Currently unattached but appeared to be a regular in CL1

This is my favourite...

Leilei Ma, 27yo right winger - http://www.transfermarkt.com/leilei-ma/profil/spieler/187992
Plays in Portugal, in Ledman Liga Pro

[halo se7en]

Let the speculation begin!

Yang Wang, 27yo right winger - http://www.transfermarkt.com/yang-wang/profil/spieler/119940
CSL team, hasn't played any of their league games this calendar year, only played in cups. On the outer.

Gang Wang, 27yo right winger - http://www.transfermarkt.com/gang-wang/leistungsdaten/spieler/61353
Chinese League 1, has played all games... but was mysteriously not in the squad for the weekends game. Prepping for a move to Newy?

Xiaoyu Jiang, 27yo left winger - http://www.transfermarkt.com/xiaoyu-jiang/profil/spieler/252251
Chinese League 2 regular, would be known to Lee/Ledman as owners of some other League 2 team I don't remember the name of.

So we potentially have a Wang, Clut and Kok all on the same team.... :rof: Feels like I'm back in school

[Grimario]

So we potentially have a Wang, Clut and Kok all on the same team.... :rof: Feels like I'm back in school

Don't forget if we play Nobby in the hole.

[matty]

not sure weather he on trial or signed on, my guess would be something from lee's shenzen team or something from league 1. its all a guessing game atm

[stopper2]

27 yr old chinese winger will be here next week. church has not been looked at by newcastle

Not sure about that, have heard from 2 different sauces that Church has been approached by the Jets. Not saying it will happen but there has definitely been some talks.

[Thomas477]

Whatever happened to Wang Dong?

[Fairgo]

Not sure about that, have heard from 2 different sauces that Church has been approached by the Jets. Not saying it will happen but there has definitely been some talks.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4085920/jets-rule-out-welsh-striker/?cs=12

[matty]

like i said at lunchtime....been knocked on the head

[weston]

If we sign this Gang Wang bloke..... Guess I'll be getting a new shirt this year

[stopper2]

If we sign this Gang Wang bloke..... Guess I'll be getting a new shirt this year
Dear me, is this supposed to be funny!
Seriously thought that one grows out of seeing the humour in Chinese names by the time you reach puberty.
Suppose small things amuse small....

[Wilso8948]

Small Kokkos?

[plague]

Dear me, is this supposed to be funny!
Seriously thought that one grows out of seeing the humour in Chinese names by the time you reach puberty.
Suppose small things amuse small....

Dear god you are becoming the most miserable sod on the Foz.

At least when Member complains he does so with some gusto.

Lighten up buddy. Life ain't that bad.

[Jetmaster]

I know it's "Carry On" humour but I rofl'd when Korea had Kim Dong Suk playing for them.....I know a few Kim's that it suited. Yes tiny things please tiny minds...

[borat]

Kokko is definitely coming, apparently doing a medical later this week. Passes that, he will be officially a Jet.
Don't understand why having "similar" players in the squad is a concern. We saw last year with Labi getting injured early on how it affects the depth. Would rather we go into a season with strong competition for starting XI spots and having a bench with experience and good options rather then what we had last season.

You want your top earners to give you most impact in the game, so by signing two quality visa strikers, and benching one, in our usual formation of 1 up front, is a waste.

If Miller decided to play 442, with 2 actual strikers, then that's a different story altogether. And to be honest that's why I hope this Church rumour is true. Cannot remember the last time this club started with 2 actual strikers on the field, and finally we have the midfield to pull it off.

[Grimario]

Dear me, is this supposed to be funny!
Seriously thought that one grows out of seeing the humour in Chinese names by the time you reach puberty.
Suppose small things amuse small....

Isn't the follow up "smaller minds take notice"?

I'd love it if we had a Wang on the team. Imagine the puns? Imagine if he hacks down a gypo and gets a red, leaving us a man short? "Hard Wang tackle", "short Wang, the Jets attack was limp" or imagine if he hits the post and "Wang comes close to busting the net".

Only better player we could get is a winger called Jesus with an accurate right foot so we could all cackle maniacally every time "Jesus nails the cross".

[belchardo]

"Wang enters the box"

[turbojetfireV8]

thought it was Wang goes down in the box...

[Grimario]

"Wang goes down in the box"
"Wang impotent in attack"

(After scoring a hat trick that secures us the title) "Everybody Have Fun Tonight"
"Dance hall days"

Think I've got side tracked. Wang Chung.

[turbojetfireV8]

Wang pokes one through the wall...

[turbojetfireV8]

no, maybe Wang penetrates wall...

[cobra23]

Wang dribbles from the box and into the goal mouth

[GazFish35]

If only we'd sign a Dutch bloke name Vas Deferens then the fun could really cut loose.

[baldrick]

If only we'd sign a Dutch bloke name Vas Deferens then the fun could really cut loose.

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[Wilso8948]

Kokko scored again last night. And I mean the player..

[plague]

If only Nicky Butt was still playing.........

[plague]

If the new Chinese bloke is a mobile player he could be the first box to box Wang we've had since Griff.

[Wilso8948]

Imagine the stats on Kokko, Wang and clut. Stopper would have a meltdown.

[Jetmaster]

It's a shame Ufuk isn't around anymore....or Stefan Kuntz.

http://www.watson.ch/imgdb/2ccb/Qx,A,0,0,819,370,340,194,136,102/6185777681842769

[Grimario]

It's a shame Ufuk isn't around anymore....or Stefan Kuntz.

http://www.watson.ch/imgdb/2ccb/Qx,A,0,0,819,370,340,194,136,102/6185777681842769

Look around the foz. Plenty of Stefan's around.

[borat]

In an attempt to bring this thread back on track.........I can't see the FFA registering the contract for the Chinese Player. After Kokko officially signs thats 22 of our 23 man squad filled with 1 spot remaining. That squad position must be filled with a mandatory u20 player.

So until we find a way to free up another squad position I don't see a away the FFA will register a contract for another player i.e. the chinese winger we have trialling in 2 weeks.

Commence Wild Conjecture

Leaving a fit Cooper out of the game day squad last week was a tell tale sign to me that he is on the outer but now the entire squad has gone on the country tour. Maybe we have learnt from last years fiasco of isolating players. Will be interesting to see who does and doesn't play against the Mariners.

Then the question is how do we cut a contracted player. Usually by finding them another club and or a full or partial payout. Of players like Brennan, Pav & Cooper, only Cooper can I see to be wanted by other clubs. The Gypos released Josh Rose this week and are in the market for a No 10. Adelaide are short of Australian players and we seem to have a history of letting players go there. They are the two most likely in my opinion. Then there is Malaysia. Henrique signed for the same Malaysian club as Taylor Regan and now wants to rescind his contract. Cooper could be a replacement.

Then you would think that we have both the salary cap and resources to pay a player out. Not ideal for a club on a budget. My guess is a bit of both, that they will try to find a home for the player covering as minimal payout as possible, but worst case scenario is a full payout

[pv4]

Borat ^

I thought we were allowed 3x "full time youth players" that didn't count to the cap $ or space wise, but got paid like 40-50k per year. Ie I thought diligent clubs could have 26 contracted players, technically. Can't we utilise that?

[borat]

Borat ^

I thought we were allowed 3x "full time youth players" that didn't count to the cap $ or space wise, but got paid like 40-50k per year. Ie I thought diligent clubs could have 26 contracted players, technically. Can't we utilise that?

No we can't, the NYL Pro contracted players are additional. We can utilise it to get 26 contracted players, as you say, but its optional. Whereas its a minimum A-League squad requirement to have 3 x u20's within your 20-23 man A-League squad. We currently have 2 (Allesi and Vujica).

The 3 x NYL contracted players are part of the NYL squad but contracted to the Jets. As opposed to the rest of the NYL squad which are considered amateur players and can be signed by any A-League club as free agents. There are other restrictions to these contracts in that they must be of 2 years in length and the player cannot be older than 20 in the 2nd year. What makes them confusing is that clubs just announce 19 yo Player X has signed and rarely reveal which contract they have signed (A-league or Pro-NYL)

The 3 x u20's is an A-league squad requirement and is mandatory.

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http://www.a-league.com.au/about/salary-cap-system/19l4z69nq786n13oyz89nari1m

[pv4]

Interesting, cheers for clearing it up.

I wonder if we get an under 20 injury replacement for Alessi if that would be considered the third Australian under20? Just a hypothetical there, and would satisfy the 3 spots for the cost of 2 spots if we can get away with it!

Like has been mentioned, if we're going to sign this Chinese player (however old) it looks like one of Pav, Brennan or Cooper will get turfed to make it happen.

What was the rule about getting a player straight from the NPL? Their wage was not included in the cap, or some of it wasn't, yeah? I'm just thinking we probably didn't but could have used that for Brennan last year.

[borat]

Interesting, cheers for clearing it up.

I wonder if we get an under 20 injury replacement for Alessi if that would be considered the third Australian under20? Just a hypothetical there, and would satisfy the 3 spots for the cost of 2 spots if we can get away with it!

Like has been mentioned, if we're going to sign this Chinese player (however old) it looks like one of Pav, Brennan or Cooper will get turfed to make it happen.

What was the rule about getting a player straight from the NPL? Their wage was not included in the cap, or some of it wasn't, yeah? I'm just thinking we probably didn't but could have used that for Brennan last year.
Pretty sure an injury replacement would just replace Allesi and not classify as the 3rd player. Otherwise would be quite the loophole.

Mature Age Rookie must be Australian, over 21, min wage, not played pro football in the past 18 months and last played in Australia

[rhysd]

Not sure if worth mentioning but it does appear that Miller may be setting up with a 442./ 4411 in today's clash

[Grimario]

That's how they have put the team line up out, will be interesting.

Streaming live as well in about 30 for anyone not there and who wants more disappointment after Matildas.

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/article/livestream-jets-vs-mariners-from-scully-park/g7hvhna1hmay1ox20euhxszl0

[Tommyjet]

Similar to how we lined up against the vics, nabbout and hoole high and wide and clut and brown playing as 2 '10's through the niddle. Not designated no9 yet

[furns]

Good to see Lachlan in CB as opposed to shoehorning Kanta in there

[steve136]

1-0. Nice near post run by Clut to tap it home

[monz6]

1-0 up. We're gunna win the league

[steve136]

Pretty impressed with the performance so far of most of the guys out there. Kanta has been the only one to stand out as awful imo

[steve136]

1-1. Cheap turnover, weak defending.

[monz6]

1-1. Sack them all

[steve136]

Can't wait for a full season of sh*t short corners.

[steve136]

1-2. No shame to be losing to one of the best teams in the comp though.

[monz6]

2-1 down. Doesn't even matter, we don't want to be peaking yet

[steve136]

Great commentary by McKinna. Almost blowing his load while rambling on about how awesome the Mariners area after every chance.

[lquiquer]

1-0 up. We're gunna win the league

Klut score ......More importantly who got the assist?

[steve136]

Klut score ......More importantly who got the assist?

Hoffman

[lquiquer]

Commentator just said: "Jets not penetrating at the moment"
We really need a Wang......

[monz6]

Commentator just said: "Jets not penetrating at the moment"
We really need a Wang......

Lawries comment was gold

[monz6]

Also interesting.... Lawrie: "both side have put out their best teams". Duncan started

[steve136]

Tough game to coach for Miller, up against the tactical nous of Coach Hutcho

[steve136]

Clut should hit the gym for 12 months before he sees the field for us.

[steve136]

Only positive from the game after the 25th minute is we all got to see why Andy Brennan doesn't get any game time.

[lquiquer]

Only positive from the game after the 25th minute is we all got to see why Andy Brennan doesn't get any game time.

My Grand mother would have put that header in

[Grimario]

First half was good. Unlucky not to be 3 up, so many hitting the post.

Second half was turd.

[hawk]

doesnt bode well

[stopper2]

Any news on Kokko, did he pass the medical or is it continuing today?
Nothing in The Herald today. Have to say their coverage of Jets news in general has deteriorated, could be because of Fairfax cutting costs but our dedicated football journo in James Gardiner seems to cover a lot of Knights/NRL news nowadays as well.
Budget cuts or not, lift your game Herald!

[skullboy]

My Grand mother would have put that header in

Is she Australian? Or better yet, Chinese by any chance?

[lquiquer]

Is she Australian? Or better yet, Chinese by any chance?

Doesn't matter her name is not Wang

[halo se7en]

Any news on Kokko, did he pass the medical or is it continuing today?
Nothing in The Herald today. Have to say their coverage of Jets news in general has deteriorated, could be because of Fairfax cutting costs but our dedicated football journo in James Gardiner seems to cover a lot of Knights/NRL news nowadays as well.
Budget cuts or not, lift your game Herald!

Seems like the Jets are a lot more closed shop when it comes to any sort of transfer news. Not a bad thing, although I agree some more articles in the Herald (player interviews/profiles etc.) can only be a good thing.

[hawk]

Any news on Kokko, did he pass the medical or is it continuing today?


heard no good. he could be kokkeyed

[belchardo]

heard no good. he could be kokkeyed

You saying we've kokked things up?

[GazFish35]

heard no good. he could be kokkeyed

Thought heard was going to perth

[Tommyjet]

Medical tonight. Should be at training tomorrow. Kokko that is

[GazFish35]

So what your saying is the jets are showing their kokk to the doctor tonight?

[lil_masi]

Chinese is Ma Leilei. Not much info. Wiki says 50 games in 8yrs.

[turbojetfireV8]

If that's the same one as posted before http://www.transfermarkt.com/leilei-ma/profil/spieler/187992 he's only just joined his club in Portugal, have they released him already?

[baldrick]

he could be kokkeyed

But think of the fore-sight he has

[Grimario]

Chinese is Ma Leilei. Not much info. Wiki says 50 games in 8yrs.

http://uk.soccerway.com/players/leileil-ma/77516/

[turbojetfireV8]

Looking at wiki, is Ma injury prone? Doesn't seem to have played last season at all


Years
Team Apps (Gls)

2008–2012
Tianjin Teda 37 (2)

2013–2014
Qingdao Jonoon 4 (0)

2014
→ Meizhou Wuhua (loan) 9 (1)

2015
Tianjin Teda 0 (0)

2016–
Cova da Piedade 0 (0)

[GazFish35]

Maybe he spoke out against the government.

[Grimario]

Don't want him. Was part of the Tianjin Teda side that lost 5-1 to the coast.

[turbojetfireV8]

Maybe he spoke out against the government.

A trouble maker then? Have to nickname him devonhead in that case...

[MFKS]

Don't want him. Was part of the Tianjin Teda side that lost 5-1 to the coast.

Seeing as we can't beat the Gypo ****ers he will fit right in here

[hawk]

Seeing as we can't beat the Gypo ****ers he will fit right in here

If you had of done your job and put land mines in gypo sheds we would have had a result.

ffs member, let the fans and foz down there, plastic

[lquiquer]

Chinese is Ma Leilei. Not much info. Wiki says 50 games in 8yrs.

How do you pronounce Leilei?
Ffs we getting Kokko, LeiLei, they taking the piss with names this year or what!!!

[Grimario]

Leilei is better than Yoyo.

[stopper2]

For some reason the Bob Dylan song "Lay Lady Lay" came to mind when I read the name Leilei!

[MFKS]

For some reason the Bob Dylan song "Lay Lady Lay" came to mind when I read the name Leilei!

Or the bird from SBS.who read the news for years

[lquiquer]

Or the bird from SBS.who read the news for years

So its "lee" not "lay".....:thumbsup:

[GazFish35]

kokk in.

[plague]

So we ended up with Leilei.

Obviously someone at our club was the type of pussy that couldn't handle a Wang and a Kokkin it.

[WolfMan]

But think of the fore-sight he has

Only one worth chuckling at. Well done

Oh, and Instagram post from the club just now says Aleksandr is on board

[Jeterpool]

Miller has certainly got his kokk on the block with this one.

[Grimario]

Hope he's a good Finnisher.

[MFKS]

Only one worth chuckling at. Well done

Oh, and Instagram post from the club just now says Aleksandr is on board

So the Kokko is now on NST??

What a thrill for him being on NST it must be.

[Local Rules]

He may need to harden up if he is looking to penetrate into the box and score.

[Grimario]

Can't wait for the Squadron to start a "Oh We love a bit of Kokko/we love a bit of Kokko/etc" chant while stopper sits on shaking his head in disgust.

[Jetmaster]

Kokkolossal signing.

[lquiquer]

One for the girls at Newy stadiums:
Who do we sing for.... We sing for a bit of Kokko......
Sorry Stopper2 could help it.....,

[MFKS]

Hey Furns any chance we can get a Tifo paying homage to Kokko done???

Something to take the piss like these puns???

[GazFish35]

You want a tifo to take the piss out of the Kokko?

[stopper2]

One for the girls at Newy stadiums:
Who do we sing for.... We sing for a bit of Kokko......
Sorry Stopper2 could help it.....,
Ha ha mate all good, suppose it is a bit of a novelty having a Kokko in our side. Just over the Wang, Chang, Dang etc Chinese references; so dated and cliched.

[Grimario]

You want a tifo to take the piss out of the Kokko?

The Urethra Stockade?

[Bremsstrahlung]

Gypos love it,
We love him
Kokko

[MFKS]

You want a tifo to take the piss out of the Kokko?
Can be easily worded to celebrate and encourage the great Kokko whilst getting a few penis/ sex jokes in

[Grimario]

Kokko is coming



To Newcastle

[GazFish35]

When we play the Victory will Ansell aid or hinder the Kokk's penetration?
he'd for sure help avoid any Slide Tackle Injuries

If only Ljubo was still around.

[Jetmaster]

Herald article...

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4099921/can-kokko-give-jets-cutting-edge/?cs=305

[plague]

Ha ha mate all good, suppose it is a bit of a novelty having a Kokko in our side. Just over the Wang, Chang, Dang etc Chinese references; so dated and cliched.

Do you get short of breath running away from your hot takes so quickly?

#allslursmatter

[furns]

Confirmed in herald article today that Andy Brennan is classed as a mature age rookie and doesn't count towards the squad limit

[q-money]

old mate kokkz is a ledge

"“Cahill I know. Big player. The best player in Australian history? It’s very good to see him arrive. We’ll see who’s better,” the 1.89-metre front man said."

[hawk]

Do you get short of breath running away from your hot takes so quickly?

#allslursmatter

selective outrage. inconsistent fks do my head in. Kokk Rokks

[GazFish35]

old mate kokkz is a ledge

"“Cahill I know. Big player. The best player in Australian history? It’s very good to see him arrive. We’ll see who’s better,” the 1.89-metre front man said."

Kokks' got a big head.
I've heard that doesn't matter (for those who suffer from the opposite)

[Jetmaster]

Kokk already sounds like a khunt.....just what we need.

[turbojetfireV8]

the big kokk's got some balls, give him that, sticking it to Timmy, will Timmy measure up?

[borat]

Confirmed in herald article today that Andy Brennan is classed as a mature age rookie and doesn't count towards the squad limit
I call bullshit and it's not the first time Parriss has been wrong. Pariss cites an FFA spokesman, not the Jets. And it's a question I have asked McKinna directly and he has avoided it. Answered other questions on u20 players but not this.

For Brennan to be a mature age rookie, he must also have been a mature age rookie last season. You can't switch a player to it as the requirement is that they weren't playing professional football in the previous 18 months. So if Brennan was the mature age rookie last season, which the Jets did not announce, then the squad was under the minimum number of 20 players. Mature Age Rookies are outside the cap.

The silence on this from the Jets seems to indicate they are looking for a loophole like this as they know they are in trouble, but will still be very interesting to see the FFA register any contract for the Chinese player.

[stopper2]

Do you get short of breath running away from your hot takes so quickly?

#allslursmatter

All this talk of Kokko, reckon you'd be getting a bit hot under the collar, hey plague!

[plague]

All this talk of Kokko, reckon you'd be getting a bit hot under the collar, hey plague!

I mean what even is that? Is that some sort of joke? That's terrible can you please explain it.

Or better still don't bother.

Ta.

[Jeterpool]

All this talk of Kokko, reckon you'd be getting a bit hot under the collar, hey plague!


I mean what even is that? Is that some sort of joke? That's terrible can you please explain it.

Or better still don't bother.

Ta.

You two need to go and have a beer, seriosuly

[MFKS]

You two need to go and have a beer, seriosuly

Or a room

Seems like these two have a bromance going on

[lquiquer]

Or a room

Seems like these two have a bromance going on

assist needed......you could be like a mediator Member..:lulzturtle:

[Grimario]

Or a room

Seems like these two have a bromance going on

So, you are suggesting that stopper needs to get the plague?

[plague]

So, you are suggesting that stopper needs to get the plague?

See now this is how it's done.

Lovely work Grim.

[Wilso8948]

They are both the same person anyway

[stopper2]

You look at our options in attack now; Kokko, Nordstrand, Haliti, Brown, Hoole, Nabbout, Clut as compared to last year we definitely have more depth and coverage in positions. Unless we are hit with injuries/suspensions I don't think we will be seeing much of Cooper, Pavicevic and Brennan.
Players aren't performing this season, they need to be subbed, dropped. To a certain extent Miller's options were fairly limited last season, definitely not the case going into this season.

[Jeterpool]

So James Gardiner has posted on Twitter that the FFA have confirmed Brennan is a mature age rookie. That leaves an additional squad position because that position sits outside of the cap.

I found this quote in the Herald from Miller very interesting

Kokko’s signing brings the roster to 22. The Chinese player chairman Martin Lee wants at the club will take them to the A-League maximum of 23, and Miller still must sign a third under-20 player. But an FFA spokesman said Andy Brennan, who signed from the Tasmanian NPL, was classed as a mature-age rookie and not counted in the squad limit.


“It comes down to finalising the under-20 spot, and identifying a Chinese player, and possibly moving some players out,” Miller said. ​“If we can get to 16 starting options this year, I’d be very pleased, considering we only had 10 to 12 last year.”

[Jeterpool]

And striking options of Kokko, Nordstrand and Haliti is by far the most depth we have had in many years.

[borat]

So Brennan signs a 2yr deal with the Jets in May 2015 and the FFA announce changes to the salary cap in August 2015 to include a mature age rookie.

So I can see the FFA allowing us to then designate Brennan as the mature age rookie once the rules were changed in August. Similar to shifting a contracted player to marquee.

But the problem then is we did not have enough players in the squad. We signed the minimum 20 + Lundy as Pro contracted NYL. You take Brennan out of the cap as a mature age rookie and we have 19 and the FFA could have breached us for not meeting squad requirements.

Plus you have the club making numerous statements that we weren't going to use these additional allowances due to the player budget.

So, on face value it seems like we are rorting the salary cap by now signing a 24th player, if in fact the unquoted FFA spokesperson is correct. If the FFA are happy, then fine. This rort allows us to sign the Chinese player which brings exposure to the league. Not sure other clubs would be too worried unless we make the 6 or this Chinese player is any good.

[borat]

And striking options of Kokko, Nordstrand and Haliti is by far the most depth we have had in many years.

Still could sign Joice. That would give us the depth to play 442

[borat]

So James Gardiner has posted on Twitter that the FFA have confirmed Brennan is a mature age rookie. That leaves an additional squad position because that position sits outside of the cap.

I found this quote in the Herald from Miller very interesting

Kokko’s signing brings the roster to 22. The Chinese player chairman Martin Lee wants at the club will take them to the A-League maximum of 23, and Miller still must sign a third under-20 player. But an FFA spokesman said Andy Brennan, who signed from the Tasmanian NPL, was classed as a mature-age rookie and not counted in the squad limit.


“It comes down to finalising the under-20 spot, and identifying a Chinese player, and possibly moving some players out,” Miller said. ​“If we can get to 16 starting options this year, I’d be very pleased, considering we only had 10 to 12 last year.”
I am happy to be proven wrong, and nothing surprises me with the FFA, but I still doubt we will be allowed to shift Brennan to Mature Age Rookie.

I doubt the validity of Pariss's FFA source and question why Miller or McKinna has made made no such comment.

I think it's more likely we are trying to move on 1 or 2 players and then exploring loopholes if that is not successful.

[matty]

brennan is already a mature aged rookie. if he wasnt then kok would be 23, chinese 24, no room for 3rd under 20

[Jeterpool]

So Brennan signs a 2yr deal with the Jets in May 2015 and the FFA announce changes to the salary cap in August 2015 to include a mature age rookie.

So I can see the FFA allowing us to then designate Brennan as the mature age rookie once the rules were changed in August. Similar to shifting a contracted player to marquee.

But the problem then is we did not have enough players in the squad. We signed the minimum 20 + Lundy as Pro contracted NYL. You take Brennan out of the cap as a mature age rookie and we have 19 and the FFA could have breached us for not meeting squad requirements.

Plus you have the club making numerous statements that we weren't going to use these additional allowances due to the player budget.

So, on face value it seems like we are rorting the salary cap by now signing a 24th player, if in fact the unquoted FFA spokesperson is correct. If the FFA are happy, then fine. This rort allows us to sign the Chinese player which brings exposure to the league. Not sure other clubs would be too worried unless we make the 6 or this Chinese player is any good.

Who are our 2 under 20 signings? Is it Vujica and Alessi? I remember reading Vujica had been signed as on a "full A-League contract" in the club announcement and assumed he wasn't filling on of these spots.

We also have the chance to sign an injury replacement u/20 for Alessi.

[rhysd]

So Brennan signs a 2yr deal with the Jets in May 2015 and the FFA announce changes to the salary cap in August 2015 to include a mature age rookie.

So I can see the FFA allowing us to then designate Brennan as the mature age rookie once the rules were changed in August. Similar to shifting a contracted player to marquee.

But the problem then is we did not have enough players in the squad. We signed the minimum 20 + Lundy as Pro contracted NYL. You take Brennan out of the cap as a mature age rookie and we have 19 and the FFA could have breached us for not meeting squad requirements.

Plus you have the club making numerous statements that we weren't going to use these additional allowances due to the player budget.

So, on face value it seems like we are rorting the salary cap by now signing a 24th player, if in fact the unquoted FFA spokesperson is correct. If the FFA are happy, then fine. This rort allows us to sign the Chinese player which brings exposure to the league. Not sure other clubs would be too worried unless we make the 6 or this Chinese player is any good.

Considering the FFA owned us at that point in time they would have to be answerable to themselves. Fine them I say!

[Jeterpool]

I am happy to be proven wrong, and nothing surprises me with the FFA, but I still doubt we will be allowed to shift Brennan to Mature Age Rookie.

I doubt the validity of Pariss's FFA source and question why Miller or McKinna has made made no such comment.

I think it's more likely we are trying to move on 1 or 2 players and then exploring loopholes if that is not successful.

Let's hit Lawrie up on twitter. That'd remove the argument.

[matty]

vujica and alessi correct

[Jeterpool]

brennan is already a mature aged rookie. if he wasnt then kok would be 23, chinese 24, no room for 3rd under 20

Are you counting Bymora? I've only got 22 players at the moment. Brennan outside takes it back to 21 and that leaves room for the final visa player and the required u/20 player

[Jeterpool]

1 Ben Kennedy Australia
2 Daniel Mullen Australia
3 Jason Hoffman Australia
4 Nigel Boogaard Australia
5 Ben Kantarovski Australia
6 Steven Ugarkovic Australia
7 Andrew Hoole Australia
8 Mateo Poljak Croatia
9 Aleksandr Kokko Finland
10 Wayne Brown England
11 Labinot Haliti Australia
12 Andy Brennan Australia
13 Ivan Vujica Australia
14 Mitch Cooper Australia
15 Andrew Nabbout Australia
16 Nick Cowburn Australia
17 Radovan Pavicevic Australia
18
19 Morten Nordstrand Denmark
20 Jack Duncan Australia
21 Daniel Alessi Australia
22 Lachlan Jackson Australia
23 Devante Clut Australia

[Grimario]

Let's hit Lawrie up on twitter. That'd remove the argument.

Already have. No response yet.

[matty]

yea my bad i thought it was 24 not 23, tomato tomato

[Nou Camp]

1 Ben Kennedy Australia
2 Daniel Mullen Australia
3 Jason Hoffman Australia
4 Nigel Boogaard Australia
5 Ben Kantarovski Australia
6 Steven Ugarkovic Australia
7 Andrew Hoole Australia
8 Mateo Poljak Serbia
9 Aleksandr Kokko Finland
10 Wayne Brown England
11 Labinot Haliti Australia
12 Andy Brennan Australia
13 Ivan Vujica Australia
14 Mitch Cooper Australia
15 Andrew Nabbout Australia
16 Nick Cowburn Australia
17 Radovan Pavicevic Australia
18
19 Morten Nordstrand Denmark
20 Jack Duncan Australia
21 Daniel Alessi Australia
22 Lachlan Jackson Australia
23 Devante Clut Australia

poljaks Croatian
don't let him see that....

[Jeterpool]

poljaks Croatian
don't let him see that....

:blush: my bad

[borat]

Who are our 2 under 20 signings? Is it Vujica and Alessi? I remember reading Vujica had been signed as on a "full A-League contract" in the club announcement and assumed he wasn't filling on of these spots.

We also have the chance to sign an injury replacement u/20 for Alessi.

We have to sign 20-23 players on full A-League contracts. Of those 20-23, 3 must be 20 years old or younger as of 31 December.

Vujica and Alessi are both u20 but we need one more.

Not to be confused with the optional 3 x Pro-NYL contracts (like Lundy last year). The contracts are min wage, 2 years in length and the player must be no older than 20 (by 31 December) in the second year.

Pro NYL players are contracted to the club, unlike regular NYL who are considered amateur and can leave any time.

Like all NYL players, pro NYL can play and train with the HAL squad. On paper they are part of the NYL squad.

[borat]

brennan is already a mature aged rookie. if he wasnt then kok would be 23, chinese 24, no room for 3rd under 20 According to the Herald and un-named FFA source.

And no Kokko is 22.

[borat]

Let's hit Lawrie up on twitter. That'd remove the argument.
I asked Lawrie a week ago 2 questions.

1. Do we need to sign another u20?

He answered "yes we do"

I followed up with

2. How can we sign Kokko, u20 and Chinese player with 21/23 contracted at the time.

No response

For mine he doesn't answer because the ball is in play here and Miller confirms it. They are trying to offload a player/s as the first option, then if not looking for a loophole like Brennan to mature age rookie.

In the grand scheme of things it won't really matter if we are allowed to rort this. I mean they just changed the guest rules for 1 player. They have been changing the rules for years at the behest of SFC and Victory.

[Jeterpool]

I think it's clear to all who Miller is looking to move out. If it was easy, we'd be rid of Brennan, Pavicevic and Cooper - rightly or wrongly.

[GazFish35]

They have been changing the rules for years at the behest of SFC and Victory.

this.
And....
cooper, brennan and Pav may find themselves a tidy little cash contract in china I reckon

[Guerny]

So Brennan signs a 2yr deal with the Jets in May 2015 and the FFA announce changes to the salary cap in August 2015 to include a mature age rookie.


So he was a salary capped player last season, and moves to the rookie position this season.
I don't see the problem.

He probably could have been a rookie player last season too, but the club needed to make up the 20 player quota.

This season it's more beneficial for him to be in the rookie position, which technically his contract would allow (signed as a rookie).

There are so many ways to rort this cap if you need to that it should be run by the ATO.

[leftrightout]

So he was a salary capped player last season, and moves to the rookie position this season.
I don't see the problem.

He probably could have been a rookie player last season too, but the club needed to make up the 20 player quota.

This season it's more beneficial for him to be in the rookie position, which technically his contract would allow (signed as a rookie).

There are so many ways to rort this cap if you need to that it should be run by the ATO.

I think the point is he can't be considered a rookie when he was a contracted senior player last season. It kind of defeats the main qualifier of the rule.

[borat]

I think the point is he can't be considered a rookie when he was a contracted senior player last season. It kind of defeats the main qualifier of the rule.

This.

You need to be an amateur for the previous 18 months. The point of the mature age rookie was to encourage clubs to not ignore the NPL and sign the best performing players. It's meant for your Luke Remmington/Kale Bradbury's.

Not to shuffle your decks to sign a Chinese development player.

[Grimario]

Who cares how we manage it. If it happens, it happens. God knows other clubs get all kinds of rule changes just for them, so let's just be happy if something goes for us.

[GazFish35]

This.

You need to be an amateur for the previous 18 months. The point of the mature age rookie was to encourage clubs to not ignore the NPL and sign the best performing players. It's meant for your Luke Remmington/Kale Bradbury's.

Not to shuffle your decks to sign a Chinese development player.

We did sign the "best performing" NPL player - he was lorded as the new Gareth Bale
the rules are so flexible it beyond a joke, its just nice to see that we might finally be using some of the flexibility

[borat]

Who cares how we manage it. If it happens, it happens. God knows other clubs get all kinds of rule changes just for them, so let's just be happy if something goes for us.

Because I think it's short sighted to cynically fill the Mature Age Rookie position and ignore the NPL. IMO it will damage our relationship at a time when it's already rocky.

If the club want a player to leave they should pay them out. Not rort the salary cap.

[borat]

We did sign the "best performing" NPL player - he was lorded as the new Gareth Bale
the rules are so flexible it beyond a joke, its just nice to see that we might finally be using some of the flexibility

Ha true. 2nd best player in Tassie.

[MFKS]

Because I think it's short sighted to cynically fill the Mature Age Rookie position and ignore the NPL. IMO it will damage our relationship at a time when it's already rocky.

If the club want a player to leave they should pay them out. Not rort the salary cap.

So your actually advocating that we don't take advantage and exploit the rules as we see fit??

[GazFish35]

It's not a rort if it's in the rules.
Paying someone out eats into the cap and limits the ability of the club to invest in the team.

If you pay him out say 55k and replace him the new player essentially costs you their wage plus the bloke you sacked. So a 75k new player costs you 130k of cap space.

You'd be better off moving Brennan out from under the cap and using that 130k to get a 130k player.


The "rort" isn't being used to ignore the local NPL, it's being used to spend money more wisely in the squad.

Brennan if not gone sooner will not be here next year and the club can go back to ignoring the local NPL without any fuss.

[borat]

It's not a rort if it's in the rules.
Paying someone out eats into the cap and limits the ability of the club to invest in the team.

If you pay him out say 55k and replace him the new player essentially costs you their wage plus the bloke you sacked. So a 75k new player costs you 130k of cap space.

You'd be better off moving Brennan out from under the cap and using that 130k to get a 130k player.


The "rort" isn't being used to ignore the local NPL, it's being used to spend money more wisely in the squad.

Brennan if not gone sooner will not be here next year and the club can go back to ignoring the local NPL without any fuss.

Its not in the rules, thats exactly what I am saying. And rorting the salary cap, no matter how minor, is not something we should be particularly proud of. If this was SFC or WSW we would be spewing that they can bend the rules whenever they like. And they do it a damn sight better than we can.

If we don't want to pay out 55k (would be now 41-46k after 3 months) players then we shouldn't stupidly be signing them to 2 year contracts in the first place. We shouldn't be signing your Clut's and Hoole's if we don't have enough squad places. Its 46k and we are owned by a multi millionaire. Its nothing to do with salary cap space or 130k when we haven't used either marquee position. We are being tightarse over 46k and being dodgy in the process.

If thats infact what does happen, as I doubt it will, or that the FFA will actually approve it despite what "unamed FFA official" may or may not have said. I mean why is Miller openly talking about moving players on before the season even starts if everything was peachy and we had the squad spot available. Why wouldn't McKinna just come out and say it, why would the FFA official be unnamed. Just announce at the next press conference that Brennan has been moved to the MA Rookie if everything is above board.

The FFA statement at the time said


Clubs can pay a Mature Age Rookie outside the Salary Cap to encourage talented players in the National Premier Leagues. This player must be over the age of 21, not played in a fully professional competition for the last 18 months and last played football in Australia. This player must be paid at least the Minimum Salary

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-makes-changes-to-a-league-salary-cap-regulations/isnaumwlkmhj1vyywqy5lcn3g

Anyway lets see how this plays out over the next 2 weeks

[MFKS]

Lie Cheat Steal


That should be the clubs motto

Whatever it takes.

I am all for us exploiting shit like this.

Let's hope it is just the start of these ****s being streetwise

[Grimario]

Lawrie said he doesn't know what the club did last year.

[halo se7en]

Its not in the rules, thats exactly what I am saying. And rorting the salary cap, no matter how minor, is not something we should be particularly proud of. If this was SFC or WSW we would be spewing that they can bend the rules whenever they like. And they do it a damn sight better than we can.

If we don't want to pay out 55k (would be now 41-46k after 3 months) players then we shouldn't stupidly be signing them to 2 year contracts in the first place. We shouldn't be signing your Clut's and Hoole's if we don't have enough squad places. Its 46k and we are owned by a multi millionaire. Its nothing to do with salary cap space or 130k when we haven't used either marquee position. We are being tightarse over 46k and being dodgy in the process.

If thats infact what does happen, as I doubt it will, or that the FFA will actually approve it despite what "unamed FFA official" may or may not have said. I mean why is Miller openly talking about moving players on before the season even starts if everything was peachy and we had the squad spot available. Why wouldn't McKinna just come out and say it, why would the FFA official be unnamed. Just announce at the next press conference that Brennan has been moved to the MA Rookie if everything is above board.

The FFA statement at the time said

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-makes-changes-to-a-league-salary-cap-regulations/isnaumwlkmhj1vyywqy5lcn3g

Anyway lets see how this plays out over the next 2 weeks

Not sure how the current management can be responsible for having Brennan on the books.

[MFKS]

Not sure how the current management can be responsible for having Brennan on the books.

If he isn't wanted they are responsible for keeping him on the books though.

Their choice to keep an unwanted player and not free up a squad spot to bring someone in who is wanted because they won't pay him out or are unable to move him on